investigating the influence of lobbyists. carol leonnig won for her coverage for the many lapses in the secret service. and for public service, goes to the post and courier of charleston, south carolina for its series "till death do us part" looking at why south carolina is one of the deadliest states in the union for women. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show," live from new york. let's get to work. tonight -- >> it's not that i'm against gay marriage. >> whoo! >> i'm for traditional marriage. plus -- >> i'm very determined to get to the bottom of this incident. >> he has no confidence that the baltimore city police department will conduct a fair investigation. and, the gulf today five years after the spill. >> despite settlements, fines and criminal charges, the legal battle over this oil spill is

far from complete. >> they all have concerns about the health of the environment in and the residents of the gulf. >> good to have you with us tonight. we start with big news out of new hampshire this evening. earlier today, hillary clinton paid her first visit to the granite state. clinton met with employees at a childhood toy factory in keen new hampshire. clinton continued her popular, populist pitch today. it's working. she called for america to rebuild our manufacturing sector. >> how do we get back into more basic production again, so that we can resume our lead in manufacturing, something that i think is essential. a lot of people disagree with me. they say oh, those days are over. i don't believe it. you walk around here, you see these machines from italy or germany or wherever else they're from. why? why aren't we producing those machines? what do we need to do to jump start advanced manufacturing

once again in our country? >> well the message is work. clinton's message is hitting home with voters. a new cnn poll shows clinton up big on all republicans. hillary clinton is beating marco rubio by 14 points. she's up on jeb bush by 17. she has a 19-point lead on governor chris christie if he jumps in. she's got a whopping 24-point lead over senator ted cruz. and clinton has a 19-point lead over senator rand paul. americans aren't buying what republicans are selling. case in point, the issue of same-sex marriage. it just continues to dog the republican party. not one republican has said that they think gay americans should be allowed to get married. >> i'm for traditional marriage. [ applause ] traditional marriage has been part of the glue that has kept our society intact. >> my position on marriage is still that it's defined between a man and a woman. >> it's not that i'm against gay

marriage. i believe the definition of the institution of marriage to be between one man and one woman. >> for over 200 years marriage has been a question for the states. now, personally i believe in traditional marriage between one man and one woman. >> i am a leave me alone kind of guy. >> but not when it comes to marriage? >> well, no. i mean states wind up making the decisions on these things. i think that there's a religious connotation to marriage. i believe in the traditional religious connotation to this. but i also believe people ought to be treated fairly under the law. >> in new jersey i opposed same-sex marriage. i believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman. >> i mean listen to them! they have no clue where the american people are and how society has changed. so if you're a gay american and you live in a certain state, you could be treated differently from a different state. republicans are out of step with america. this is not what the american people want. the most recent gallup poll shows 55% of americans support same-sex marriage and it continues to grow. meanwhile, some republicans are

trying to soften their position by saying that they would attend a gay wedding. here is ohio governor john kasich. >> i go to weddings of people that i'm close to and in fact i have a friend who is gay who asked me if i would go to his wedding, and i said well let me think about it. and i went home and i said to my wife, you know my friend's getting married, what do you think, you want to go? she goes oh i'm absolutely going. i called him today and said hey, just let me know what time it is. >> wisconsin governor scott walker is taking a similar position. >> would you attend a gay wedding? >> well, in terms of the it's a personal issue for a family member, we had a family member who's had a reception. but for someone i love we've been to the reception. >> senator marco rubio was asked if he would attend a same-sex wedding. >> if it's somebody in my life that i love and care for, of course i would. i'm not going to hurt them

simply because i disagree with the choice they've made or i disagree with the decision they've made or whatever it may be. ultimately, if someone that you care for is part of your family has decided to move in one direction or another or feels that way because of who they love you respect that because you love them. >> so senator rubio would not hurt them but he would allow the government to discriminate against them. senator ted cruz dodged the question altogether saying that he's never been asked to attend a same-sex wedding. the rest of the presidential field has not been asked the question. i guess this is the question of the week. the only republican to say that they would never attend a same-sex wedding, of course is rick santorum from pennsylvania the former senator. don't let these other republicans fool you. just because they would attend a same-sex wedding does not mean that they support the rights of gay americans. the republicans are having a hard time saying the word discrimination, and that's exactly what this is. they can't let people be who

they are because of their traditional beliefs. their faith. let god sort it out. the separation of church and state. who are these republicans to render judgment on people who are born a certain way? they didn't ask to be gay. they are living who they are. but the republicans have taken the position consistently. that they will word smith this and they will try to weasel out of it instead of saying you know what? they deserve the same rights as every american. and the question comes up, will this be an issue in 2016? go ask the gay community. you think they're going to vote for republicans? no they're probably going to support hillary clinton because she is well-defined on this issue. all people should have the right to get married. that's where america is today. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, are republicans out of step with americans on same-sex marriage? you go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results

later on in the show. for more let me bring in lanny davis, former special council to the white house. carol helman. great to have all of you with us tonight. caroline, you first. is this going to be an issue in 2016? it seems like the republicans just can't bring themselves to say we're willing to discriminate against gay people. because that's what they're doing. >> indeed that is what's happening. as you noted, 55% of americans support gay marriage. if you look at folks 30 and under, it's eight out of ten. so this issue has been decided for newer generations. it won't be an issue in ten years. and i do think it will be an issue in the 2016 election, because it is one of a series of cultural wedge issue where is there is a very clear choice between democrats and republicans. >> brad, the fact that hillary clinton made a definitive statement about this last week tells me she gets it, she understands where the country is

moving. and isn't willing to discriminate against americans. so what does this do if anything, for her campaign? >> well i think it's very important. i mean i'm glad that she clarified that and she absolutely did the right thing. i mean look, whether it's hillary clinton or barack obama, you know or others the young people in our society people have evolved on this issue. but the republicans have not. just a few weeks ago, we were talking about official discrimination in the state of indiana, every republican running for president stood up for that official discrimination. it took the ire of the entire country to get that law fixed or to get that law changed. republicans are playing a dangerous game here. they're trying to appeal to a primary electorate, but the middle of this country and vast many more than that i believe, are not where the republicans are on this issue. >> all right. brad, is there political capital

here for hillary clinton? >> well look i think there's more danger for republicans. i wouldn't be one to suggest that we should actually play this as a wedge issue. it's really a question of doing the right thing. >> but is it a wedge issue if this is where the american people are? i mean if you've got the -- i mean she's taken a very populist tone on a number of different issues early here in her campaign. your thoughts is this really what hillary clinton believes or has she just evolved politically on this? >> well there was an interview some time ago, a very good interview where terri gross tried to almost force hillary clinton to say that she only changed her position because of political reasons. when in fact everybody that i know and in my own personal life, in the last five years, ten years, there's been a revolution -- evolution is one word. evolve into it. there's been a revolution into

thinking intolerance toward gay marriage. my son is 17 and my younger son is 10. i have two older children. and the guest that preceded me was absolutely right. the generational divide is huge. and hillary clinton saying i evolved, and if jeb bush were to say, you know i'm still uncomfortable with this, but i'm evolving. some openness. some tolerance that there has to be in distinction on marriage as to who you love and who you are, whether it's same-sex or heterosex. >> lanny, put on your attorney now, you can wordsmith this the way the republicans are. who's against traditional marriage? okay? but they use that term to say well gay marriage isn't good enough for america. i mean that's the message that's being sent. so how do they politically wordsmith that with the generation that you're saying is far more accepting than previous

ones? >> well, let me give you the political answer that you were asking for earlier about the effect on the campaign and hillary clinton. so if you ask about choice the generational divide is tremendous. libertarians say why should the government get between a woman and her doctor on the issue of a pregnancy? and that generational divide has led to an evolution of thinking even among people who say i'm personally opposed to abortion but i won't tell the government to get in between the relationship between a woman and her doctor. same thing on marriage. if ted cruz or anyone wants to say i personally still believe in heterosexual marriage, fine. the issue is tolerance. and right now, every republican i heard is intolerant of people who wish to get married to members of the same-sex. and that intolerance is not going to sell politically. >> so, careoline, is it possible for a republican to win the nomination of their party and support same-sex marriage?

it sounds impossible. >> i think it is impossible. we have more republican contenders than we have ever seen. we have at least 20 right now. it is going to be fluid chaos in the republican primary. and i cannot imagine that anyone could make that claim. i mean it's going to be hard to win this nomination as it is. and that's not where republicans are. the majority of republicans oppose gay marriage. >> brad why don't the democrats drive home the word discrimination? i mean this is so easily defined, isn't it? >> absolutely. and i think democrats did drive home that term and that whole concept in indiana with the law there. and i think it's entirely appropriate. look it's not just this. it extends to what they feel about wage equality. it extends to a whole range of other issues where they have this traditional view that is

shared by a small segment of their party. >> preexisting condition on health care. >> exactly. >> you could discriminate against somebody who's sick. >> exactly. and they seem not to have a problem with certain types of discrimination. even suggested the other day on another network that we ought to start giving people civics tests before they go into the ballot box. i mean another form of discrimination against people who you disagree with politically. >> lanny, do these poll numbers that are out suggest to other democrats there's no sense in jumping in? >> well i don't think you need to risk exploiting something and overdoing it. i think hillary clinton is in the right place and has evolved into this position over time. i don't take kindly to sanctimonious comments by others who claim that she did it too late or did it for political reasons, because i appreciate if jeb bush were to change his mind. i would appreciate that

evolution. to get with probably his children and his grandchildren on this issue. so wwe got to be careful about overexploiting this and stating our conviction against discrimination, and in favor of tolerance and listen to our kids who are way ahead of us on this one. >> all right, lanny, caroline, brad, great to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." remember to answer the question at pulse.msnbc.com. we'll have the results for you right after the break. follow us on facebook and watch my facebook feature "give me a minute" and you can get my video podcast. coming up the black lives campaign hits the streets of baltimore in a major way. we'll have the new developments on the freddie gray case. and later, the gulf today five years after the spill. the somber anniversary brings new attention to the way forward for coastal communities. we'll have the special coverage ahead. stay with us. we're right back on "the ed show."

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it's not right at all. it's not right. >> reporter: they're looking for answers to the death of freddie gray. the 25-year-old died sunday, one week after reportedly suffering a broken neck following this arrest with this cell phone footage. >> this was a healthy man who had a healthy spine and his neck wasn't broken when he was first taken into police custody. >> reporter: police haven't given a cause for gray's injuries or explained the reason indicating that he ran from four officers on bicycles. during his transfer by police an balance was summoned and gray was taken to the hospital. an autopsy is under way. the city's mayor and top police officials say an investigation into officers' actions will provide accountability and transparency. the family of mr. gray deserves answers and so does the community. >> some of freddie gray's friends say for now, that trust in police is lacking.

>> you can't look to the police for help. they hurting people. they the new gang. >> reporter: strained relations between citizens and police are not new in baltimore, but now they face an all-new challenge. >> i'm joined tonight by paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst along with tom mezaro criminal defense attorney. it seems like every week we have a police story. this one is from the archives. 25-year-old guy has a broken neck. riding the bike? did he have an accident? the justice department says it's premature to intervene. do you agree with that? >> well they're saying it's premature to intervene because there are investigations that are already going on at the ground at two different levels. so they're going to be trying to figure out at a local level what, if anything, mr. gray would have been or could have

been charged with. and secondarily, and this is most importantly, what was the conduct of the officers that were involved that have been suspended? and keep in mind this is more than just the two or four officers that were involved in the initial detention. it's going to expand and increase the officers that were involved in the arrest and then also and they're going to focus on the probable cause. we don't know and that's why we're seeing all this discussion with the timeline because we don't know when exactly that injury occurred and how it occurred and which officers were involved. >> why are they being so tight with the information, mr. henderson? why is that? >> because there's liability attached to that. there's possible wrong doing from the officers involved. certainly this isn't standard

procedure from when someone is either arrested or detained but then to have a broken neck. so something happened. we don't know what happened when he went into the van. the station was only three blocks away from where the incident occurred. so certainly they're going to be having a medical review involved to determine exactly what the officers did and how the injury was caused and that's going to be the lynch pin for this investigation. >> mr. mesereau what do you make of all of this so far? when you see how many officers were involved where is the liability here? how does a guy get a broken neck? i mean folks look at this saying he must have beat the kid up, they'll quickly come to that conclusion. >> i'll agree the investigation is ongoing. we don't have all the information. however, i think we have enough to be extremely suspicious about police behavior. how did his neck break? even if there was probable cause to make an arrest, you don't

break his neck. you don't stick your knee on his spine, pull up his limbs and break his neck. it's outrageous. police have a tendency if left uncheck to devalue the people in these communities. if you're in a community that's low-income, that's got a crime rate or a moderate crime rate if you let police go unchecked, they will treat people as less than human. i suspect that if a dog was treated the way this man was treated, somebody would be charged with animal cruelty. i admit, all the information isn't in yet. but based upon what we've seen this is an outrageous repeated attempt to devalue people because of their neighborhood because of their race because of what they're perceived in a stereotypical way as being, and it is an outrage. >> how did court documents say that he was arrested without incident mr. mesereau? there must have been some kind of incident. >> well, it appears the only incident was what the police

created, treating him in a subhuman way, and actually murdering him, from what i can see. he has an excellent lawyer in billy murphy who knows this community has been a real pillar of that community for years and i think he's going to go after these people tooth and nail and i hope heads roll. >> well police say that they have no physical or video evidence. mr. henderson, what do you make of that? >> well we see once again, and i think we're going to have this conversation again and again, where we're seeing video coming from the community. so once again this is going to raise the issue of body cameras, again with police and police departments determining whether or not they're going to record things and how they're going to record things. because that's going to play a vital role in whatever liability comes out of this investigation that's ongoing in this case. this is exactly why we have the real concern. and this is the bigger issue, that we have this arrest or we have this incident that escalates into yet again another death of an african-american man

involved in law enforcement somehow and the community has answers. that's why we're having these protests again to try and figure out what's going on and how can we stop this pattern that we're seeing in the communities that are being victimized by law enforcement in this way. >> i want to get mr. mesereau in here again. how is the city handling this tom? what do you think? >> well clearly, there's an ongoing investigation. it does take time. it has to be done professionally and with precision. however, this withholding information on a daily basis i don't go for. okay, we have enough information to be extremely suspicious of why a life was taken and a family was destroyed. you've got the station three blocks away. it's ridiculous. why was he treated this way? why was a knee put on his spine? why were his armed lifted up and why did his neck break? it's outrageous. they should be giving us information on almost an hourly basis. >> thanks for the conversation. appreciate it.

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and we are back. five years ago today, bp's oil well in the gulf of mexico exploded. more than three million barrels of oil spewed into the gulf. 11 workers were killed. it was more than a deadly accident, though. the blast unleashed an environmental catastrophe impacting marine life wildlife and human life in a devastating way. bp has taken a few steps to correct the issue. earlier today, bp along with the

federal and state trustees announced tentative approval for ten more natural resource restoration projects. none of the projects are for louisiana. last week in a historic move shareholders voted for the company to provide more information about its preparation for the low carbon transition. today activists are out in the streets demanding more. many feel the big oil company is not doing enough. it is virtually impossible to cover every facet of this tragic event. earlier, i went to the gulf to meet the people in the region. i found out how they are feeling about the devastation, the health concerns the restoration projects, and the legal fight to achieve restitution. >> that fire is still burning on that rig which is said to be leaking oil into the gulf. this as the coast guard begins to investigate what went wrong. >> describe the impact on the environment from the spill five years after the fact.

>> ed if we told you some of the stuff we seen you wouldn't believe it. i seen birds fly and liquid coming off the birds, and they wiggle and just crash and die. >> the gulf today is nowhere near what it was before the spill. >> the grand isle, as they referred to it a bustling booming town. it was an awesome place. it's still an awesome place to come visit for the locals, but it was growing by leaps and bounds. they got a wonderful mayor and it was doing fabulous. when the oil spill came in it shut everything down. >> you see the effects everywhere, from the environment to wildlife to the seafood industry, and to the health of the people. it seems and feels irreversible. >> what's the water quality like now? >> it's messed up.

>> whenever you hit the bottom you can see oil coming from the bottom. stuff like that. >> one of the scary things about this is that the birds are still on these islands coming in here feeding, so you can just imagine the contamination that takes place within the wildlife. five years after the fact. look how dark that is right there. this is stuff that's been kicked up from the bottom by the prop. this is what it looks like. along the beach here in grand isle, louisiana, there is evidence all over the beach of the damaging effects of the spill. right here on the beach, if i were to dig here what would i find? >> you'd find all the tar balls they're buried. >> tar balls? >> yeah. you'd find tar balls buried. a lot of people won't let their kids on the beach. a little scoop shovel. they'll dig them up all day long. >> today they're still getting tar balls on the beach that they have to get cleaned up any time

you have any kind of a -- i'm not going to say hurricane. high energy environment that creates a little bit of a storm and pushes up against the shorelines you'll find tar balls all day out there. >> it's not unusual for these shrimp boats here at grand island to come up with this in their nets. this is known as a tar ball. from the exit that was pushing the oil down, now it's on the bottom and it ends up in shrimpers' nets and they don't like it. this is the economic bread basket of the region shrimp. what is it like here now? there's no shrimp? >> very little. we're probably doing about 30% of what we did before. it actually got a little bit better last winter. you can see a couple of dolphins right there. used to be able to come on this beach, you'd see thousands of dolphins over here. >> what about the quality of the shrimp?

>> on the inside we're still having mutilated shrimp. on the other side a little bit better. >> it's all going to the heads. that's a sore he got right here. that's not normal. >> that's a sore and that's not normal. right there. >> his whole shell fell off right here. there should be shells going all the way to the bottom. that's a cancer right here he got. >> that's a cancer right there. >> yeah. >> and you can tell by the color of the shell? >> the shell's gone. >> the shell's gone? >> feel it right here. just ate it up. got shell all over. >> what are you going to do with it? >> we're going to eat the heads. >> so you take them off and you're going to consume that? >> yeah. >> government says it's all

right to eat. >> government says it's all right. if you can't believe the government, who can you believe, ed? >> it's not only shrimp. the oyster industry has been dramatically affected. >> for us what's happened is our bay has really died off in the last three years. our oyster beds have died. lack of fresh water was some of the problem. never seen the oyster beds go down like they have. >> in all the years you've been working? >> in all the years. we're one of the biggest buyers of oysters in the county from the bay. we usually get 200 to 300 bags a day and now we get about 50. >> what about the quality? >> they're reproducing. they're small. we've had a problem with a lot of them being small. down on the west end of the day, the oysters usually grow a little bigger down there. all those oysters died.

a friend of mine owns an oyster house down on that side. and he has nothing. >> many local seafood workers believe the tar balls are a direct result of the chemicals used in an effort to clean up the gulf. bp refutes that claim and sis dispercent dispersants were an important element. what about the core exit that they used? did that make it worse? >> in my opinion, that's the whole problem we got. if they would have never sprayed nothing, all the natural substance. i mean, once you put a chemical i mean you done destroyed the gulf by putting all the oil in there. why would you compound matters by putting another four, five million gallons of chemicals in in? >> so they put the chemical on the oil spin. it fell to the bottom and it's still there. >> and i really believe when they spray those chemicals, it's actually stopping the environment from cleaning itself. it just sucks up the oil.

you see in the old days when you had an oil spill, like my grandfather would always do they would throw it on the oil. >> it was absorbent. >> it would float to the top. wouldn't be easier to pick it up if it's on the top? when they started sinking it to the bottom we knew they wasn't trying to pick it up. >> while the gulf is left with chemical residue, many residents are left with health issues. from rashes on the skin to respiratory problems to fatigue. it's a health mystery. >> check the air quality over here. you see the levy that goes across the beach? right back to the levy, this high off the ground. but the levy's this high.

every day they'd say we got good air quality. >> what kind of health problems have you experienced, your friends, your neighbors. >> i started having problems with breathing and a weird rash that breaks out from time to time. and i went to the doctor and the doctor -- i won't say what he said, but it was basically he didn't know what it was. and came up with some kind of letters for it. >> a lot of folks have had that? >> and i thought i would just attribute it to old ages as i was getting older. and talking to people that worked out there, all complaining about the same thing. when we get treated for it it doesn't help. they treat it like it's asthma. but the other medications that they give you for asthma weren't working on it. you still felt the same. it didn't even relieve it a little bit. but there's a lot of people that are far worse than me and still haven't seen a dime from bp for medical claims. >> had nothing to do with the

agriculture industry or anything. >> no. just folks that live here. >> no. if they came in contact with the oil, they're in a lot worse shape than i am. many in worse shape than i am and it's a shame. they're still suffering and still racking up medical bills. >> and they're not going to get a dime. >> they haven't seen it. they'll be dead before they see a dime. >> we've reached out to bp and invited representatives to join us here on "the ed show." they declined our invitation. bp did send us a statement, which reads in part data we have seen thus far indicates that the environmental catastrophe that so many feared perhaps understandably at the time, did not come to pass and the gulf is recovering faster than expected. the company also tells us that they have paid $13.7 billion in claims. coming up we'll have more on our ongoing series "the gulf today: five years after the spill." we're right back.

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finally, five years after the bp oil spill, negative effects are still lingering and the recovery is slow. some members of congress is that people living in the gulf coast region want more to be done. i'm joined by the owner of the company and the attorney. and with us frank pallone who is introducing legislation to ban offshore drilling in the atlantic. congressman, i'll start with you first. what would this ban mean? what would be allowed?

what would not be allowed? >> there wouldn't be offshore drilling off the coast of the atlantic. what i want people to understand is that the bp oil spill could happen easily again. there were a bunch of recommendations by a bipartisan commission which congress never enacted. and this time of deep water drilling is just as dangerous and prone to a spill as it was five years ago. >> so they're doing the same stuff today they were doing five years ago? that there has been no curtail of operations at all? >> no. not really. beyond that the fact is in the atlantic all of the drilling would have to be far out at sea. just like the bp drilling was done. you don't have the oil, or natural gas close to shore d.c. in the gulf. the type of deep sea drilling that took place in the case of bp would have to be done all on the atlantic could have any results. and the impact on the tourism industry would even be greater. we're so dependent on tourism off the coast of new jersey.

>> would you go so far as to stay bp oil spill five years after the effect has had no impact on lawmakers? >> no impact whatsoever. >> dean now that you hear that five years after the fact. how do you feel about it? good to have you with us. >> certainly not surprising. the exxon valdez didn't november effect to make no rules. they made new rules but the oil companies didn't follow them. >> where are you five years after the fact? what is your business like today compared to what it was? >> i told my wife. if things don't change we're going to close. >> why is labor day drop dead date for your shrimping industry? >> well, it is the last day of our summer season on the island. i figured we would give it that's usually our best time so we'll give it through labor day. if it ain't changed, we're going to close. >> do you get a sense that your area has changed forever? >> it will never be the same in my lifetime. i realize that.

all you have to do is look at what happened in alaska. i don't know if i have 30 years left. >> what about bp's announcing $134 million in early restoration projectsful are they trying to make it right? >> i think it is part of long term public relations campaign. to a lay person $134 million sounds like a lot of money. when you break that down into how much it actually costs to make proper reparations, it is the proverbial drop in the bucket. >> the 15,000 people you represent, mr. coon, will they see restoration in. >> a lot of them will not. nothing has changed. five years now. >> since the last time you and i talked, nothing has changed nothing has changed. bp is entrenched. it is a witch hunt against claimants. they appeal every single one that comes out of the claims office will less than 15% of the

claimant who's submitted claim have been paid. less than 1% of the business that's went under, of the 4,000 businesses that submitted claims have been paid. it is a debacle. bp is winning that public relations battle and they're basically starving everyone out. >> congressman, what do you make of the numbers? >> i didn't see the actual numbers there in terms of the recovery. i wouldn't be surprised. >> i mean bp according to mr. coon, the attorney who represented 15,000 people. less than 50% of the people will get restitution this. why does congress let them get away with this? >> they shouldn't. the democrats have wanted to implement these changes to protect the drilling. ever since the bp spill the republicans have been in the majority in congress. that's why we haven't been able to make any changes and to do what is necessary for recovery as well. but i think that they should get

every cent of what they're looking for for damages so they can come back. i would hate to think the same thing would happen in new jersey or on the east coast if we had a similar spill. >> they're operating the same way and it could happen. >> could it easily happen again. >> dean governor jindal released a statement today saying more needs to be done. what would you like to see him do? what has he done in your opinion? >> well i don't know if you realize but his brother is a lawyer for bp. he hasn't done nothing. nothing to help us. i've been involved for a long time. he's done nothing to help us. nothing at all. >> dean again, you say labor day is the drop dead date for your business. don't they win if you do that? >> i don't have no choice. i can't afford it. it costs me $5,000 a day to run my business. if i can't make money between memorial day and labor day i

know for sure i won't make money in the wintertime. if i can't get ahead enough by labor day on get me through next winter i would just as soon shut down. if i'm going to go broke, i would rather go broke watching tv in my living room than working myself to death. >> have you seen lives destroyed? >> many. >> it is just like what dean said. i've been sitting here talking to him before the show today. it is tragic what has happened to these coastal communities with lived off our marinest awares. we've had hundreds of thousands of businesses affected. we've had thousands of business that's ran out of capital. and every week some of them still collapsed from the impact of economy from five years ago. they just ran out of money. >> five years ago today. it is the anniversary. great to have you all with us

tonight. i appreciate it. that's "the ed show." politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for tuning in. we start with breaking news from baltimore. about the death of 25-year-old freddy gray from a spinal cord injury that his lawyer says happened in police custody. city officials just wrapped up a press conference highlighting the central mystery of the case. >> did he sump a very tragic injury to his spinal cord which resulted in his death. what we don't know, what we need to get to is how that injury occurred. i know when mr. gray was placed inside that van, he was able to talk. he was upset. and when mr. gray was taken out of that va