parents of 8-year-old martin richard was among those killed, are urging prosecutors to end their quest for the death penalty. they say this potentially will make it a drawn out process and it could prolong the anguish for victims and their families. others injured in the attack are divided on the issue. >> i want the death penalty. >> i believe that the true judgment comes after he dies anyway. >> nbc's ron mott joins us live now from the federal courthouse in boston. so, ron, let's start off with explaining how this process will work including a decision that will be in the hands of his defense attorneys as to when they will present their opening statements and arguments here. >> right. good morning, tamron. making their opening statements in this penalty phase, the jury spent a good hour maybe a little bit more than that hearing from the judge about this particular phase and how it plays out. essentially, you've got these 17

counts that he was found guilty on that carry the possibility of the death penalty, and those are the 17 counts that this jury will deliberate at the end of this peblt phase about whether they can unanimously agree, all 12 of them, he deserves death on any one of those 17 counts or if they can't agree, he will spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole. you cannot necessarily base your decision on emotion. there will be victim impact statements throughout this process. he says you cannot base your decision on that but this is a very mechanical process and you want to go through each of these counts and assign them qualitatively in your own way to whether he met the standard for death if you believe that's what that punishment requires or if you all can't agree, he'll get life. the prosecution is essentially, we understand, going to take the rest of this week tamron they have not been holding courts on friday, because of the marathon yesterday, they will hold court this friday and we expect the prosecution to essentially wrap its presentation at the end of the week then on monday we

expect to hear the opening statements from the defense. in a lot of ways tamron this is the start of the defense case. they said all along the facts are not in question. it's why he got involved why tamerlan tsarnaev might have influenced and corrupted his younger brother to participate in these bombings. the defense has said all along throughout these proceedings if not for tamerlan there would not have been a boston marathon bombing two years ago, so we'll see how this all plays out. we expect the process to be between two and three weeks, maybe a fourth week tamron, before it's all over. >> live for us in boston thank you so much for joining us. and also developing news surrounding the death of freddie gray, that's the baltimore man who died after his spine was severed while in police custody. six police officers involved have now been placed on administrative leave. police have released surveillance video from a nearby street camera the day the 25 year old was arrested. however, the footage from april 12th does not show the moment he was injured.

he died a week later. now police are acknowledging gray reportedly asked for medical help but for reasons still not clear, officers waited 40 minutes before calling paramedics. and a cell phone video of the arrest gray is heard screaming while officers pinned him down, then dragged him into a police van. yesterday the police commissioner addressed questions about why help was not called sooner and mayor stephanie rawlings blake promised a thorough investigation. >> there was several times that we should have clicked to getting medical request. he asked for the inhaler as he was going into at one or two of the stops, it was noticed that he was having a little trouble breathing, where we should have probably asked for paramedics. >> we don't have all of the answers. i want to know why the officers pursued mr. gray. i want to know if the proper procedures were followed. i want to know what steps need to be taken for accountability. >> i'm joined now by william

billy murphy, the attorney representing the gray family. sir, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, tamron. we are big fans of your work. >> thank you, sir. as i understand it you believe that the medical attention, authorities say, was given after 40 minutes, that it actually even took longer for mr. gray to receive that medical attention. >> well there lacks the mystery in this case but one thing is clear, this was a healthy man, who died as a result of serious spinal cord injuries and a broken neck while he was in police custody. that much is clear. it is also clear that the police are entirely responsible for this. what is not clear is how it happened and precisely who did it, and when it happened. >> according to -- >> it is also clear that -- it is also clear that the police had no good reason to arrest this man, and in legal

terminology we call that probable cause, they didn't have it, so the arrest was illegal. police have virtually admitted it but not quite, which is maddening. we know he shouldn't have been in custody in the first place, shouldn't have been arrested in the first place, and he died while -- had the grievous injury while in police custody. >> why was mr. gray being pursued in the first place, according to the charging documents obtained by the nbc affiliate in baltimore, the officers arrested him on baltimore street because he quote, need unprovoked upon noting police presence in the neighborhood. the officer then noticed a nice clip to the inside of his pants pocket. the defendant was arrested without force or incident. the document notes that mr. gray suffered a medical emergency during transport but doesn't say how, where, or when. going back to the initial arrest in itself it appears here he was walking down the street and

fled, which is not against the law. >> this is a classic case of what some of us call felony running, or running while black. it's disgraceful that we still do this to the citizens of baltimore, and it's got to stop. and this is the perfect vehicle for it to stop forever. there should be no question that if you can't figure out why the police stopped somebody and if they don't have a good reason other than what they've already said, that the search for additional evidence of probable cause is not only perverse but it will be in vain. >> i do want to play what the mayor said regarding whether or not the city has a problem with police brutality. over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements with baltimore over police brutality and civil rights violations. here's what the mayor said. >> i think this city has had a history of that. i think this country has had a

history of that and i've been very determined under my administration to repair the relationship between the police and the community, increase training and to work to reduce the incidents of police misconduct brutality, allegations of brutality, and excessive force with the police department. >> mr. mayor, you're the son of a civil rights leader. this is a different situation in many ways from ferguson but in ferguson you had leadership in that city predominantly white, predominantly men. here in baltimore, you have an african-american female mayor. do you believe that that will in any way help the investigation move along, not that she has a priority over african-americans versus anyone else who lives in that city but you're looking at a different demographic of leadership in that city or does that mean nothing to you at all? >> stephanie rawlings-blake grew up in baltimore city. she was the daughter of a

half-black leader who was a civil rights icon. she knows what time it is. she knows that there's been a sordid history in baltimore city of police brutality and she knows what needs to be done about it. the problem we're having with her, as we've had with previous mayors is that when you are looking at higher political office, that keeps you from immediately doing the right thing and it causes you to make calculations. for example, she can't become governor unless she gets white support. and so in order to get white support, you can't act with the ill lack ratty you should be having because the whites are not yet ready to understand it. on the other hand, cell phone cameras have sensitized everybody to the horrendous nature of the problem, so that ought not to be anything that holds her back from doing the right thing. you know, ambition is a tricky state of mind. and we're looking forward to her

growth so by doing the right thing she'll advance the higher office not by making political calculations. that's number one. number two, she's had opportunities to act much more quickly on this problem. for example, with cell phone cameras, she didn't act quickly. and had there been quick action at least on the local level, where we implemented these cameras without unnecessary delay, this tragedy could have been prevented. >> but i should note, sir, the mayor did ask the justice department to investigate the police department even before this incident involving mr. gray and the family that you represent. >> oh that's quite correct, but the burden of implementing police cameras is on her. and it's on her alone. now, it is true that the legislature did not act positively when she asked for more money, but the money is there for us to do the right thing. and police cameras could have very easily have prevented this.

>> the mayor has vowed a complete and thorough investigation. we should continue to stay in contact with her office and get a response as well, to any allegations made. mr. murphy thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it. >> very well. >> thank you, sir. developing now in the last hour tulsa volunteer deputy robert bates appeared in court and pleaded not guilty to second-degree manslaughter in the death of the man he killed he used a gun and mistook for a taser. the judge allowed him to take a preplanned vacation to the bahamas. developing now, as well a potential showdown between the united states and iran is shaping up right now in the waters off yemen. that's where american warships are being positioned to intercept a convoy of iranian ships suspected of carrying weapons for the rebels in yemen. the question is whether all of this could impact the talks about to resume aimed at finalizing a deal to curb iran's

nuclear program. ayman mohyeldin joins us live now to break down what's happening and also the question of whether or not this is a test that iran is putting the u.s. through. >> yeah, this is certainly a very dangerous standoff taking place and we've put up a map to give viewers a sense of where it's unfolding. this arrow gives you a sense where the iranian vessels moved in, where they can get those alleged weapons to the hands of rebels. the standoff is taking place and it is a sizable one. right now about 12 u.s. navy vessels, including a u.s. aircraft carrier, as well as nine suspected iranian ships. among those ships, the freighters carrying the suspected weapons, but also you have iranian navy vessels. in addition to the u.s. presence, there are also members of the coalition that include egypt, saudi arabia uae, so you get a look at how explosive this

situation could possibly be. all of this is happening against the backdrop of resumed talks in geneva regarding the iranian nuclear question. those talks have begun today. there's also been some diplomat diplomatic movements, as well with both sides making statements in recent days that are of tremendous interest. the obama administration signaling there could be front loading sanctions if iran come plies with its nuclear commitment and the iranian foreign minister zarif, saying it is time for a wholistic approach to addressing some of these issues in the entire region including yemen, as well as syria, but the situation particularly now that's unfolding in the arabian sea is going to be one of tremendous concern for the allies how confidently and how strictly those countries enforce this blockade on yemen could be tested in the coming hours if the iranian ships decide to move ahead or turn back. i think that's going to be the real test here. >> greatly appreciate it.

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developing right now, these are live pictures from new hampshire where hillary clinton is campaigning, as she's facing new questions about her time as secretary of state. this is a round table discussion happening right now. she arrived at a community college in concord only moments ago and she's speaking with students and faculty. that's what you see happening there. this is a two-day trip for her to the granite state. clinton has faced questions now over a new book by a conservative writer claiming foreign governments received favors from the state department if they donated to the clinton foundation or hired former bill clinton as a speaker. clinton herself, though is rejecting the allegation. >> we're back into the political season and, therefore we'll be subjected to all kind of distractions and attacks and i'm ready for that. i know that comes, unfortunately, with the

territory. >> in new hampshire for us what else is secretary clinton saying about these allegations? >> well so far not much tamron. she definitely responded to them yesterday, taking questions from reporters. what she doesn't typically do, which suggests she wanted to respond to these allegations. it's overshadowing her visit a bit. that was the headline to yesterday's event. she said a lot of interesting things about the economy, a new drug epidemic in the state and had this quiet intimate meeting with voters. that's what she wanted to be the headline but instead the headline was about this response. her campaign, however, is saying a lot about this. the chairman did an interview last night in which he dismissed conspiracy theories saying there was nothing new in the facts and they were woven together to create a narrative meant to damage clinton, but there's actually no substance there, a talking point we hear a lot from the clintons and if there's one thing that the wider

kind of clinton universe is really good at it's killing these books that come out. there were two books that came out last year and they nipped them in the bud before they had a chance to take off in the mainstream media and that's what they are trying to do again here. this is a conservative author worked for george w. bush bobby jindal, sarah palin, and they want to dismiss this in the realm of benghazi conspiracy theories. they are okay with conservatives getting excited about it but they don't want it to break into independent voters democratic voters, and have it overshadow what clinton is trying to do on this rollout. >> you refer to the campaign spokesperson and his comments regarding that but when you hear terms like coordinated attack strategy it does ring reminiscent of the right wing conspiracy that she'd referred to many many many years ago. >> that's right, yeah and the clinton white house, hillary clinton said there was a vast right wing conspiracy out to get her husband, and arguably

vindicated some points in the way conservative funded media publications would put stuff out there, then enter the kind of bloodstream of the mainstream media and become top level issues the clinton campaign had to respond to. didn't work out very well for the clinton white house, he ended up getting impeached and we're not sure if it's going to work out this time. they do seem to be employing a different strategy instead of going directly after media, instead of attacking the new york times for yesterday publishing an excerpt from this piece, they more seem to be going after the author and dismissing the allegations out of hand, without trying to take on the media as a whole, you know, strategy that didn't really work in 2008 for hillary clinton, didn't work out too well for the clinton white house, so they are trying to be more above the fray benign neglect towards the media, rather than campaigning against them directly. >> alex thank you very much for the update. we'll continue to follow the developments out of new hampshire. on the republican side, one of chris christie's biggest ally

allies is throwing his support behind jeb bush. we'll have that in just a few minutes. stick around for that. still ahead, indiana's governor is expending a public health emergency order after a disturbing increase in cases of hiv in just the last two weeks. doctors fear the outbreak now affecting more than 130 people could actually spread. i'll talk to the deputy state health commissioner about why these numbers are rising. plus bobby brown is now trying to clarify his statement about daughter bobbyi kristina's health after new details about her condition. it is one of the stories we are following and updating around the "news nation". ♪ ♪

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throwing his support behind jeb bush. let's dig into those headlines this morning with nbc's senior political reporter perry bacon. perry, thanks for joining us. >> good to see you, tamron. >> jeb bush and this aggressive fundraising campaign today, but still waiting for the official announcement. >> he's probably going to announce may or june but what we do know is he is raising a lot of money. i think all the other campaigns are acknowledging if there's a contest in money, jeb bush is going to win it he's going to have the most money, at least for the first six months. there's talk of something like $100 million, which will be a lot more than most of the candidates. the question is can he turn that money into support, because the polls right now suggest he's not doing much better than the other candidates among actual voters, even though lots of donors like him. >> what's also interesting, bush plans to visit europe in early june germany, poland, and astonia. >> trips abroad to really show this is a field that doesn't

have a lot of foreign policy experience, very few served in the military, very few have been senators so you have republicans trying to go abroad and meet with foreign leaders and add to their gravitas president obama took a trip to europe in 2008 he did the same thing. >> as i mention, the koch brothers seem to believe scott walker is the man. >> now, that's been disputed since then so the koch brothers, there was a story in the times who said the koch brothers said they like walker the best. what the key thing is not who they think is the best candidate, but are they going to throw lots of money behind them. they have hundreds of millions of dollars and they could change the primary if they wanted to. it's not clear yet they are going to spend money on any of the candidates so it's something to watch for, so caution on this story for right now. >> that's good news to update a story, as always. let's talk about chris christie losing to jeb bush and not in the race for president. >> he is losing support.

state senator who was a big christie supporter who today said who announced in the post he is now helping run christie's 2009 campaign and is now endorsing jeb bush. this is not the only person that's doing this. you're seeing a lot of people on wall street who used to be for chris christie, who are now for jeb bush and this is a sign that people feel he can't get beyond bridgegate and he's fallen out of the top tier of candidates. and the question for him now is is he willing to run for president full-time knowing his odds of winning are very very low right now. >> perry bacon, thank you so much for joining us for the first read this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead, results of a new massive study just released earlier this hour because whether there is a link between autism and the measles vaccine. it is one of the stories we are following around the "news nation." plus you may remember him as the cute faced ben seaver on "growing pains." today jeremy miller joins me to talk about his crushing battle

with alcoholism. it was so bad at one point he considered suicide. well, how he has overcome his battle with the help of a breakthrough treatment. he'll join us to talk about that treatment and whether it could help others. but first, there's a lot going on this morning and here's some things we thought you should know. most of the police in a small missouri town resigned after the town elected its first african-american woman as mayor. five of the city's six police officers submitted their resignations after mayor bird was sworn in last week. the officers reportedly cited safety concerns as the reason. mayor bird says that she is looking to get things in order for the city. jon stewart's last day as host will be august 6th which means he'll step away just as the presidential race is heating up. the comedian made the announcement before signing off monday. >> my last "daily show" program

will be august the 6th. i will be wearing a suit. i will more than likely be showered. i'm sorry, i'll be wearing overalls and i won't shower. so, i hope that you will join us for that program. >> stewart also said fans can enter for a chance to win two tickets to the final tapings, all proceeds benefit autism roundup, those are the things we just thought you should know.

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an agreement announced on the senate floor just last hour republicans and democrats ready to pass a bill to prevent human trafficking. that vote long delayed, now paves the way for a vote on loretta lynch's nomination. senators are expected to vote in the coming days. and american warships are being positioned to intercept a convoy of iranian ships suspected of carrying weapons for the rebels in yemen. the move could set up a potential showdown between the u.s. and iran. it comes as talks resume today amid striking a deal to curb iran's nuclear program. well an outbreak of the hiv virus in indiana is spreading so fast a team from the cdc is now involved and the state's governor was forced to extend a health emergency declared last month. officials say illegal drug use and dirty needles are to blame for the outbreak in scott county, indiana. the governor is now pushing a clean needle program, something he'd long opposed until this

outbreak. 128 testing positive in the small community since december and one health expert who is tracking the spread says he's finding more cases every single day. misinformation spreading fast too, according to one clinic worker. >> the stigma of the -- and the persona of the hiv virus and aids, people think they are going to get it just by sitting somewhere that patient has set or that person has set, and that's not how it is. people have called and said they are not going to come here any longer because they don't want to get aids and they don't want to get hiv. >> joining me now via skype, indiana's deputy state health commissioner. doctor, thank you so much for your time. >> good morning, thank you tamron, for having us. >> obviously, this story has not been, you know in the national headlines, so i did want to explain to people how we got to this point. as mentioned, there was a health emergency declared a month ago, and now it's been extended

because the health department and the state have not been able to get control of this situation here. what has caused this these numbers, to skyrocket in such a short period of time? >> well we have the perfect storm here. this is a process that's been developing over a long period of time. as you know there is an opiate epidemic that's not just in scott county indiana, but in indiana generally and it's in the united states. when we have that underlying problem and then introduce hepatitis c virus and then hiv to the picture, we have rapid expansion. and when there's ongoing needle sharing, unsafe sex practices, rapid expansion of hiv disease occurs. that's not just something that is here in indiana. that can happen anywhere. >> absolutely. you know in the article that i have, this doctor dr. jarome adams, says every person they

come in contact with is giving them on average nine or more additional contacts. they say they are uncovering more new cases every single day, literally several times a day. is there anything else that your office is studying or that even the cdc is studying that is different about this county or this time even and where we are in the fight against hiv and aids? >> there's nothing that's different about this particular location. what is different about this outbreak that we haven't seen before is the combination of a rural setting and nearly exclusive transmission through the u.s. offive ive.v. drugs. so we're building a model based on where we are so we can hopefully prevent this from happening in another place in the united states. dr. adams and i, in concert with the state department of health our local health officials, our friends from the cdc who are here on our team have been working together closely to

identify and contain the spread of hiv here. >> as of friday more than 5,000 clean syringe needles handed out, 1400 dirty ones were handed in. circumstances have changed, what do you see as the next major move, perhaps not only to educate the people who are afraid, but also to prevent the sharing of needles and to share lives potentially? >> the response to this outbreak has been comprehensive. we have multiple different contents that we need to address. first and foremost is identifying new hiv patients and connecting them to quality care. we have a one-stop shop here in indiana that's helping to do that. we also needle exchange is part of that program, as well. it's only one component. the next part is connecting to addiction and mental health services. we feel that is really the preeminent part of this process, as well. i do want to make a quick correction to the needle

numbers. we've distributed a total of 4,337 needles, and 3,111 needles have been returned through the needle exchange program here in scott county. >> well i know that you have a lot of work ahead and we really appreciate you joining us to talk about this story. and, again, hopefully, lives will be saved through the education and the number of things that you and other doctors and medical personnel are doing there to help people. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. well still ahead, drought shaming. with the historic drought in california, some neighbors are using their cameras to publicly call out others who appear to be wasting water. is that a good idea? it's today's "news nation" gut check. also jeremy miller known as ben seaver on "growing pains" is with me next. he's here to talk about his journey from child star to recovering alcoholic with the help of a groundbreaking treatment that could help others. we'll talk to him next. introducing the new can-am spyder f3. with a cruising riding position

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welcome back. one of the most comprehensive studies yet on the measles vaccine and fears of autism top our stories around the "news nation." the study released just 45 minutes ago involves 96,000 children, finds no link between the mmr shot and autism. it's not the first time a study has severed ties between the two, but in wake of recent measles outbreaks, new research may calm the fears of nervous parents. a sign that the mmr vaccine does not cause autism even in children with siblings on the spectrum. an attorney for bobby brown is explaining comments that the singer made that his daughter bobbi kristina, is awake. after months of being in a coma bobbi kristina reportedly opened her eyes but is quote, embarking on a rehabilitation process. the quality of her life will not be known for years to come. mean time, she visited her gras granddaughter and can only pray for a miracle.

she said doctors confirm global and irreversible brain damage. time now for the "news nation" gut check. it is called drought shaming. a new type of vigilante is now on patrol in some parts of california armed with cameras. and they not only call out people who waste water in the drought-stricken state, they also name names, post addresses. it's incredible. anyway nbc national investigative correspondent jeff rossen has the story. >> you really need to do that in the middle of a drought? >> reporter: the videos get downright nasty. >> waiting to catch you, lady! >> reporter: there is even name calling. >> let me get the address of this complete moron. >> reporter: we are bleeping the house numbers. but they don't. >> 10th street. >> reporter: these self described water vigilantes are shaming their neighbors using the #droughtshaming on twitter and youtube. >> they are watering twice as much sidewalk as they are grass.

>> reporter: we tracked down that guy. his real name tony corcoran. >> i am a water crusader. >> reporter: actually, he managesvigilantes riding around on his bike with his camera phone ready. >> when i see this i follow it to the source. if there's people there, i ask them questions. >> you shame them in. >> i do. >> in fact while we were with him, tony shamed landscapers. >> there's only one year of water left. >> only once or twice a week is fine. >> i have to be mean. i'm doing something that no one else wants to do. no one is standing up and doing it. >> how would you like to be on the receiving end of it? >> another house shamed. the people shamed are easy to find online. there's the video made about your house.

>> who the [ bleep ] is this. it's intrusive people showing your address. this is as bad as drones over your house. >> you feel violated? >> of course. >> does he have a point about the water? >> he sort of does. >> incidentally violators of drought face a fine. 7300 warning let rters handed out. they've handed out ten violations. is it necessary to have a water vigilante? go to news nation.msnbc to cast a vote. you remember the hit show we all loved "growing pains." >> what you doing? >> i think he's a little weird. >> why? >> he's interested in carol. >> well after the show wrapped

up in 1992 miller began battling severe alcoholism. his drinking became so bad he often blacked out and said in his darkest days contemplated suicide. he turned his life around and is sharing his journey in hopes to help other people. he credits counselling and his mother pushing him to start the program called start fresh. alcoholics are given a drug. instead of pill or injection. they're hoping it can represent a new front in the fight against addiction. jeremy miller joining us now with the chief operating officer of bio core rx the company behind this. jeremy, let's start with your story.

you were on show we all knew. when did your life take a turn as we said a severe alcoholic? >> it didn't start to get bad until i was around 19 or 20 that area. i guess always kind of understood i had a different relationship with alcohol because i never had that off button button. dating back to first explorations trying it out. >> how old were you the when you first started drinking in. >> the first drink i had i was 4 years old. i would run around at my grandparent's parties and finish them off. >> you were four. >> i was four. managed to keep it mostly in check. had another instrument around 12. didn't start drinking regularly million around 18. it really just -- there was no off switch. once i got going, it was always

too excess. >> that usually follows -- destruction if in your life relationships, everything just falls apart. >> absolutely. it ruined relationships. i'm blessed that i had a family that stuck by me through all of it. lord knows i tried everything. >> you probably tried everything possible. then you learn about this particular implant. how did you hear about it? >> my mom happened to find it. she just happened to stumble across a small blip on the internet, might have been "good morning america" or something. just a small clip about this implant that started back in australia. and i was desperate. i had tried everything out there. i was willing to try anything. >> you have the implant with you here. where does it go in the person's body?

>> this is one pellet. an implant is typically two pellets. it's placed in the lower abdomen below the skin. it's a relatively minimally invasive procedure under local anesthesia. >> what's in it? >> binding ingredients that are fda and anti-inflammatories. it was approved in 1984 for opiate abuse and alcoholism in 1995. not a lot of people heard about it because the drug was relatively cheap. there was a non compliance issue. the person would not take the drug. it was a daily drug. >> what's it do when in your body? >> it blocks receptors in your brain, the pleasure seekers craving the alcohol, oxycontin, vicodin or those prescription pills. it blocks receptors that make you crave that.

it also works in a way if you consume alcohol or opioid it takes away the pleasure the buzz when you drink or high you get. >> side effects -- >> typical side effects nausea vomiting. then it's a surgical procedure so any infection or reactions you can have with surgical part of it. >> is it covered by insurance is this. >> a lot of major insurances are now starting to cover it as of last year. a lot of clinics have seen success with major carriers. it's an ongoing battle. they're working with us. at the least, most of the major ones are subsidizing it which helps greatly. >> before we let you go jeremy it's worked for you. this is a case by case basis. this is not for everyone. >> it can work for everyone. it's whether you're really ready

or not. that's the truth. the medicine won't tie your hands behind your back and stop you from picking up a drink. if you're where i was, ready to quit, ready to do whatever it takes to quit. this is the greatest feeling i've ever had. three hours after the implant i walked in without glancing at the alcohol. that was the first time in 10 or 12 years i walked out of a gas station or liquor store without something in my hand. that was an incredibly freeing feeling. >> we appreciate you coming on. this is not endorsement of treatment and you're not endorsing treatment. people need to consult with their doctors for what's best for them. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamran hall. up next "andrea mitchell reports" there new hampshire.

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