u.s. warships are on the move and carrying a message. good afternoon, as we come on the air there's developing news in the mid east that concerns our military. u.s. warships are in the water and ready to move in the iranians make any progress towards reaching what is a de facto blockade they are suspected of shipping weapons to houthi militants inside of yemen. they are shia rebels and formed a bizarre alliance with yemen's former president saleh because saleh and houthis were at war before the arab spring but they have teamed up against sunnis who are loyal to exiled president hadi backed by a saudi led coalition. after weeks of air strikes against the houthis, the saudis

just announced an end to that campaign today. the u.s. was not directly involved but did provide intel for what's becoming a regional power struggle between shia ruled iran and sunni ruled saudi arabia. why is yemen so important to washington? first, it sits on a key waterway where the oil shipments pass and home to the most active al qaeda branch pledged themselves to isis. teams were ordered out of yemen last month but today's naval move is a message to our allies that we're here to help and message to iran that we are watching. let's start with senior correspondent chris jansing. what is the latest from the white house on all of this? >> reporter: this was a major topic at the briefing that just ended and officially the line from the white house is that this movement in the water off yemen, yes, this is a very important commercial waterway

having said that the united states and its allies have been very clear they are concerned about the arming of the houthis and so this is a very clear message. where are we now? kind of in a standoff between the u.s. and iran and saudi arabia egypt, here's what josh earnest had to say less than an hour ago when he was asked if this was meant to send a message to iran. >> the international community including united nations is serious about the iranians not providing weapons to the houthis, again, providing weapons to the houthis only exacerbates the violence in a way that will have terrible humanitarian impact. >> reporter: all sides are kind of in a wait and see attitude waiting to see what iran will do next. if they do indeed try to reach the port that they are carrying weapons in violation of u.n.

resolutions there could be some altercation, they have not ruled out the possibility that they could board the ships and search. there are nine ships all together about two of them stacked up pretty high with what are believed to be weapons that they are carrying. so this would not be a first, that's for sure. the navy has intercepted iranian armed shipments before to hamas, to hezbollah and what a pentagon spokesman said they have not declared their intention, meaning the iranians or who they are going to do so we're going to keep a close eye on them. >> nbc's chris jansing, always appreciate it. here with us now at the table is mark ginsburg and former white house middle east adviser. so glad to have you with us. >> good afternoon. >> let's talk about in situation, we have about a dozen, precisely in fact a dozen american vessels in the region nine arabian vessels and uae. how explosive could this

situation become? >> over the years we have watched united states vessels in iran vessels wind up in shooting confrontations. the iranians are at this point in time trying to flex their muscles by arming houthis, a resolution was passed with an arms embargo. if the united states and allies board ships that are neutrally flagged destined for yemen, at least it has the united nations in from behind it. i'm not quite certain if the united states has really figured out how much more it wants to invest in backing saudi arabia in what is essentially a military confrontation with iran. >> ambassador this weekend, the houthi leader went on tv saying those who want the people too give in are just dreaming. help us understand their end game. the houthis arrived in the capital this spring to support a

more competent interim government that they had plenty of support for. then they try to claim power for themselves and put the president under house arrest and lost their legitimacy in doing so. what is it they want? >> the houthis represent about 35% of the population of yemen. so the majority of the population of yemen are sunni. and what the houthi have really wanted is shall we say autonomous control of the part of the country they derive from. they did in effect blow up the regional negotiations for a newly democratic government that in effect would have given them some autonomy the new president has been exiled and we have lost our major base of operations raises serious concerns what the intentions are. the houthi are no friends of the

americans. they have screamed death to america while they may also blockade, the waterway that chris talked about earlier. >> broadening this out, a wider conversation about the chess pieces in the region. you pick up the "new york times" and you get a little maureen dowd and david brooks telling us about our souls. you don't get usually get mohammed zarif, penning an op-ed. what was he doing this week speaking to america about yemen and beyond? >> i think what zarif was trying to say the iranian government is interested in a nuclear agreement with the united states point one, point two, that he wanted to in effect show it's not just president obama can reach out to the iranian people. the iranian leadership which by the way doesn't have the support of the iranian people can reach

out to the american people as well. but let's also understand here ari, that what zarif is say saying that he resents the role congress is playing in the implementation of a framework agreement that had been negotiated and by the way, he's also sending a signal to the american people that the obama administration is misinterpreting the deal that was struck in switzerland a few weeks ago. >> now you make me wonder what impact all of this will have on the nuclear framework we're trying to work out. >> let's put it this way, i don't even call it a framework agreement. i call it a memorandum of misunderstanding. >> okay. >> both parties have different interpretations involving sanctions and inspections. these are the key elements of this agreement. here's the ayatollah and zarif and the president before in the negotiations before final agreement begin saying well be creative, perhaps maybe we can lift sanctions up front instead

of on a phased in basis and white house is retreating -- in the persian rug bazaar leverage is key, leverage is key over how you negotiate the carpet how you negotiate the future of yemen and how you negotiate the future of an agreement. >> when we're boarding iranian ships in the persian gulf that's going to cause a big problem, isn't it? >> i suspect the iranians will find a way to show united states they are not going to let them lose the iranians lose control of what essentially their own investment in a proxy war in yemen. they have supplied the houthis and determined to permit the houjties to gain control over yemen. this is a showdown with the sunni power of saudi arabia and its allies. we're seeing an effect exactly what we don't want to see. why i'm concerned about american policy. exacerbating the sunni/shiite divide on the front lines between saudi arabia and iran is not in our best interest. even though we want to give

saudi arabia an inknock lags of support -- >> you would advocate staying out of the conflict in yemen all together, even as yemen -- >> absolutely. look, we already are providing the intelligence support that the administration said it would provide. we've given the saudis moral support. i would back off from there. we have enough on our hands, the only thing we need to do in yemen is to restore somehow our special forces capacity to attack al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. that's job one, job ten and job 100. what happens in yemen is beyond our control. >> what happens in a lot of the region seems to be out of our control. thanks so much. we appreciate it. new claims and counterclaims about the source of clinton foundation cash just as hillary continues her new hampshire swing. plus supreme injustice with big decisions about gay marriage and

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it is just 567 days until america elects a new president. but who's counting? hillary clinton spent her second straight day in new hampshire holding a round table this morning with students and educators at a community college. she also caught up with our

andrea mitchell who asked the former secretary of state whether recent trade deals are harmful to the country. >> do you have any concerns about the trade deals and whether that will hurt -- >> any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security. we have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and skills to be competitive. >> clinton is also facing new questions about her time at state, a new book called "clinton cash" claims foreign governments received special favors if they donated to the clinton foundation. and former president bill clinton was at georgetown this morning and assured reporters he was not on the campaign trail, not yet anyway. >> for obvious reasons, i don't intend to talk much about electoral politics. >> but let's get to what's really important here. how fashion forward is our potential first gentleman? if this photo snap is any

indication, we're in for quite a show. joining us is business insider, hunter walker. i've been trying to spot bill in pink sneakers but so far no such luck. he seems to be giving new meaning to behind the scenes on the campaign trail. there's no hiding those kicks. >> i just want to know if wendy davis loaned them to him or he robbed her. >> very cute. >> solidarity there, like it. >> not a bad looking pair of sneakers. >> i'm never going to knock a guy for wearing pink or neon but these were not fresh kicks -- >> i like those. >> this is more what my mom wears to the gym than what kevin durant is wearing on the floor. >> what's wrong with your mom, hunter? >> it looks great on her. >> hunter, it takes a lot of confidence to wear those shoes. i give him credit for that. the gop are throwing knives her direction, i have to say for the past week and a half now during her announcement it's been

pretty smooth sailing. the question is how long is that going to last? >> well she got exactly what she wanted out of this announcement, you're right, hillary doesn't need name recognition, for her to be able to interact directly with leaders in iowa and for her to be able to show her gentle side and have these small events that's great. but you're right, she's going to eventually have to interact more with the press. she's going to eventually have to face off with her rivals a little bit more. for now they are trying to stay out of the fray i think. >> one definite benefit of this approach has been not having to take a lot of questions from the media. right now an issue she would probably have to take questions on is trade, chris matthews sad down with the president for an exclusive interview. we have a sneak peek where they talk about trade. let's take a look at that. >> mr. president obviously the hot question u.s. senator elizabeth warren is out there saying things like this about the trade agreement, it's going to help the rich get richer and leave everyone else behind.

she also says it challenges u.s. sovereignty. they are throwing the kitchen sink at this trade agreement which will involve 11 nations and ourselves on the pacific rim. why are they seeing these things? >> well, i guess they don't want it to happen. i love elizabeth, we're allies on a whole host of issues but she's wrong on this. chris, think about it i spent the last six and a half years yanking this economy out of the worst recession since the great depression. every single thing i've done from the affordable care act to pushing to raise the minimum wage to making sure the young people are able to go to college and get good job training to what we're pushing now in terms of sick pay leave, everything i do has been focused on how do we make sure the middle class is getting a fair deal. i would not be doing this trade deal if i did not think it was good for the middle class. and when you hear folks make a lot of suggestions about how bad

this trade deal is when you dig into the facts, they are wrong. >> the president really going after elizabeth warren there, who is opposed to this deal unions also opposed to this deal, the president obviously and other democrats are in support of the deal. it's going to be a tough issue for hillary clinton, she hasn't said where she stands yet. >> one of the things we've heard about this approach she's gotten, this rollout phase, it will be short on policy. she says she's just listening to voters at these small events. there's a few issues including this climate change and student debt where progressives want to see more from him and it's going to be interesting to see how she handles that liberal pressure when she does start to roll out policy. >> don't you think to some degree what we're seeing is a hillary clinton who's already moving differently than the last campaign to the left on a bunch of issues and we were covering this on the cycle when she came out opening day and said it's about money and politics we need a constitutional amendment

potentially, that is not the same message as 2007. so without an actual declared liberal candidate there seems to be a different cal cue husband, is that fair? >> she's trying to grab the mantle of elizabeth warren and we heard her say the deck is stacked, straight out of warren's stump. but hillary got out in iowa on the first day and said hedge funders should be paying more taxes. two out of her five next fundraisers are hedge fund managers and they are not worried she's going to back it up with real policy. >> there was a piece in politico how they were like she has to say that but we're not worried. >> let's talk about the other side, jeb bush is giving a lot of his responsibilities tra diggal campaign responsibilities to a super pac. they cover tv advertising, data gathering and phone banking and entirely different way of approaching campaigning. what are the advantages and disadvantages of this approach? >> well i mean flz a huge,

huge advantage. he's required to have this limit of $2700 on what people can give to him. whereas a pac could have unlimited donations. the one sort of restriction or weak campaign finance law has that you can't coordinate between a pac and campaign. however, that's a loophole you can drive an aircraft carrier through and bush's campaign is that aircraft carrier. he's already staffing right to rise with his people and working directly with the pac right now so they can coordinate the strategystrat strategy -- >> did stephen colbert teach you nothing? >> until he's declared candidate then once he is, people like mike murphy will already be in place. you are technically not allowed to coordinate you can't get busted coordinating. unless we have the nsa enforcing campaign financing law, do we

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and suspended with pay is the current fate of six baltimore police officers who were there after a suspect died after having been held in custody. freddie gray's spinal cord was severed but we don't know why. was it a terrible accident or a crime committed by the sworn to fight crime? tom costello now with our story. >> reporter: good afternoon to you. the city still very much on edge as it awaits more answers into exactly how 25-year-old freddie gray died. what did he do know now is police are saying they expect to turn over the results of their investigation to the state attorney a week from friday. the question really is how did he suffer what proved to be fatal spinal cord injury? was it the process of being put into the van? was it while he was in the van? was there some sort of accident or was there something criminal that in fact caused that fatal

injury? [ screaming ] >> it's been five days since freddie gray was arrested and dragged to a baltimore police van at some point suffering a spinal cord injury that took his life a week later. now police acknowledge gray praepdly asked for medical help but officers waited 40 minutes before calling paramedics. >> noticed that he was having a little trouble breathing where we should have probably asked for paramedics. >> reporter: police released a surveillance video from nearby street cameras but say the moment of gray's injury was not captured. protester were again on the streets demanding answers. >> this is a pattern in baltimore city. >> reporter: more than 100 people over the past years won court settlement over police brutality and civil rights

violations. >> does this city have a problem with police brutality? >> i think this city has had a history of that. i think this country has had a history of that. >> reporter: this morning baltimore is again on edge. police are telling us the reason they initiated this chase with mr. gray is because they made icon tact with him he started running. the attorney says running while black is not a crime. they found no gun or drugs, just having a knife is not necessarily a crime in this city. his rap sheets consists of minor offenses, no felonies and his friends insist he is the kind of guy who yes, grew up in a rough neighborhood and like everybody in the rough neighborhood had contact with the police but say he was a pretty happy go lucky individual kind of a clown and not somebody who was ever violent. so the question right now is again, why and how did his

spinal cord become so seriously injured, fatally injured and exactly was there a criminal act involved in that or was it an accident? it may take some time to figure out. back to you. >> tom, thank you so much for that report. let's dig into the next legal steps in this investigation, brian weiss is a criminal defense attorney. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> so obviously to be clear, no one has been charged. this incident is under investigation. we don't know exactly what happened here but watching those videos, for me as a civilian it's very troubling especially the cries that we hear from mr. gray. i'm wondering as a criminal defense attorney what stands out to you in those videos particularly as you would consider how you could mount a defense for officers if they were eventually charged? >> i think rule one in the playbook we have to reserve judgment. ultimately the facts are not in

yet. in this situation, we have to make sure that before any judicial proceeding even begins to reach critical mass that we know what happened during that critical time frame inside the paddy wagon. there is a k -- every crime is a tragedy, every tragedy is not a crime. >> brian, to your point, there's a lot we don't know here. we don't want to speculate but we do know his spinal cord broke. that's not something that just happens. the problem is there's no video of when that happened how that happened. now it's a matter of figuring out all of those details. how does it is that going to be when the only voice you have are the officers that were involved? >> and that's a great point. look, anybody that's ever watched msnbc recognizes particularly in recent days weeks and months that being a police officer, having half of the power of the good lord on

your hip is the ultimate home field advantage. grand juries and trial juries want to believe that the thin blue line is ultimately going to do the right thing. in this situation, they may be met with the blue wall of silence if there are six officers inside the paddy wagon, all of whom knew what happened and what didn't it's going to be a difficult task for the state's attorney's office to figure out who did what to whom. this is not a who done it. this is a situation where we all learn the second day of law school in torts, that fancy legal term the thing speaks for itself. once that prisoner is in your custody, you have an absolute right to ensure that prisoner's well being unless your conduct is justified is a matter of state law. >> well right, the question about the fact pattern we see from what we do know in the video, he does seem to be in pain making sounds as he's put in there. one argument might be was he

somehow hurt prior to this interaction. did they come upon him and he already sustained an injury or was it exacerbated in the process? that would be the main defense, factually for these officers. if they are not speaking that is a problem for law enforcement and one to be investigated. what i want to ask you broadening out from this case is the investigation continues, we heard at nbc, tom costello the mayor saying there's a history of this sure and there is. and in your view do you think these recent incidents that have been local incidents getting national attention, any improvement in the speed or openness that some of these police departments have responded with? i could tell you covering it is seems baltimore has moved swifter than in other places. >> we live in the 24-hour news cycle with social media and video. and generation ago you and i would not be having this conversation. and what's frustrating for a lot of us is to know that even when

offenses are captured on tape right around the corner at the harris county courthouse a former police officer is acquitted of shooting a civilian in the face while it was on tape. i really think what's happened over the last several weeks, months and even years, leads us grand jurors and trial jurors to understand that while we do count on that thin blue line we have to recruit from the human race. sometimes that situation those errors are fatal. we hope that this isn't one of them but again, until these facts are in all we can do is afford these officers the same presumption of innocence that any of us would want to be entitled to. >> as we said before we do not have all of the facts in this freddie gray situation but broadening the lens black men are killed by police in this country at vastly disproportionate rates. in 2012 they were about 30% of police shooting victims. the doj has put 20 police

departments into federal monitorship over the last few years, last several years and still, we have a massive problem. is there a bigger national legal remedy that could possibly be pursued? >> you know two words. body cameras. i know that may seem glib but in a society again where we live on a 24-hour news cycle with social media and video pretty much dictates what happens in our lives, that's really going to be the only prophylactic measure i can think of. there's going to be human error but we have to instill in these officers, when they make a mistake, it's not like we forgot to turn the printer on. what they deal in are people's lives and liberty. when a prisoner dies from a snapped spinal cord that is something that ought to wake us you will up. with he don't know what happened and why. we can only hope there is

transparency and ultimately level playing field that result in that one word we count on and that's justice. >> thanks so much. up next, we go live to boston where the sentencing face is now under way in the marathon bombing trial. will dzhokhar tsarnaev live or die? families of the victims are actually pleading for his life.

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developing now, day one of the penalties phase in the boston marathon bombing trial. the prosecution making its case for dzhokhar tsarnaev to die, even however some of the most touched by this tragedy do not feel that should be his punishment. ron mott is in boston with all of the details. tell us the latest. >> reporter: hey there, good afternoon to you. there's a split of opinions and viewpoints on the death penalties here and more people are in favor of giving dzhokhar

tsarnaev a life sentence without parole than they are in favor of the death penalty. the parents of martin richard, the 8-year-old killed two years ago, they wrote an op-ed in the boston globe where they are asking the government to take the death penalty off the table, negotiate with the defense team perhaps life in prison without parole and waive his right to appeal. it does not appear the government is going to do that. carmen ortiz says she is sensitive to their viewpoint but they want to make sure they represent the viewpoints from the entire victims two years ago. this was a powerful day of testimony. victims and victim family members came back to the courtroom to talk about how this bombing affected their lives. some of the most powerful testimony from the brother and father of crystal campbell she of course was one of the three people killed on boyleston street. in the opening statements the prosecutor finish the her comments this morning with a picture, a still picture from the courthouse here two years

ago, it's offensive to some viewers. it shows dzhokhar tsarnaev in a cell -- holding cell here at the courthouse in june or july of 2013. this is some months after the bombing and he is extended his middle finger to the camera and clearly knows he's in front of a surveillance camera. the government's prosecutor said today that this was one last message that he wanted to send to america, very powerful image indeed. we don't know if it's going to be released publicly. i think the prosecution would like to see that. the defense subsequently would like to keep that image out of the views -- eyes of the american people going forward here. the schedule going forward now next week, the judge believes that the defense will start their case here on monday. and that is expected to last perhaps two to three weeks. we probably another three weeks to go here in this proceeding. >> a powerful image and the jury may consider a lack of remorse

there. for federal court in boston to the highest court in washington we're expecting a lot more drama in the coming weeks, same-sex marriage and obamacare rulings right around the corner. millions will be affected and there's immigration where the president's executive action could go to the supreme court as well well. our next guest new book injustice" argues the court uses its power the wrong way failing the most vulnerable of americans. good day to you. >> good to be here thanks so much. >> very interesting, some provocative ideas you have. let me push back directly part of your premise, the court has a lot of problems, sure, but students of history would say the supreme court often more than any other political branch does stick up for the vulnerable, some of the time. what do you say to that? >> let's take the greatest

supreme court ever decided, brown v board of education, the original vote in brown tlsh three voted to uphold segregation and two on the fence. one of the justices who voted to end segregation was hugo black, a former member of the ku klux klan. you would have never guessed he would be a supporter of civil rights. i wished in the book all of these coincidences that had to happen the chief justice died and replaced by earl warren and president eisenhower later said that appointing earl warren was the biggest damn fool mistake he ever made as president. the court throughout history as i layout in the book performed very badly and even that one glorious case that we all look to as the highlight of the court acting well it was through a series of historic accidents that we got that decision.

>> the current court seems like an era of extreme partisanship like a third branch of congress. do you think they are putting partisan views ahead of the law? >> it's a very good question. certainly some of them are. the impetus for this book i worked hard on the first case trying to kill the affordable care act and discuss in the book what life was like before we had obamacare, a discuss a woman who was raped and insurance company said it was a preexisting condition. i discuss a family in there where the husband was in a motorcycle accident the woman had a heart condition and they had enough money to pay for his treatment or her pills. no human being should have to make that choice but certainly no american should have to make that choice. and the fact that there were justices of the supreme court willing to send us back -- we almost lost that case. that should wound your soul. >> wow, ian, you have some legal

experts, court watchers that are thinking that the supreme court will legalize same-sex marriage in the coming months. as you look at the past most recently obamacare, child labor, voting rights civil rights this would make the case they would be moving in a different direction. >> it would. no there has been outlier cases and this would be one of those outlier cases where the court has done some good. that said let's look at the court's record on gay rights. i mean i discuss in the book there was a federal hiring ban for many years on hiring any person who was gay. and when -- early gay rights group challenged that ban, the federal government's response was we're not going to let you -- we're not going to hire you because people are too revoted by gay people. that was the federal government's response. the courts did nothing about that for decades and the first major supreme court case the first major gay rights case reached in the supreme court

they basically ignored it and shuffled it off in the most dismissive way possible. in the 1980s, they said it could be illegal for gay people to even have sex. so -- >> go ahead. >> just another point that i think definitely supports your argument here that the supreme court comforts the already comfortable is the way they treated corporations with the decision in citizens united. >> absolutely. i mean if you read that opinion, that is a shocking opinion. what the court had said before citizens unite is campaign finance laws are allowed to fight corruption. the holding of citizens united is i can write a billion dollar check to a super pac and as long as it isn't touched by the candidate or his campaign, somehow the candidate is not going to be corrupted by that donation. >> you know what she say about your book, read it in the morning because it will make you anry. don't want to read it before bed. >> thanks for having me. >> we have another important story inside the mass murder that shocked the world as much

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was to eradicate islam for europe, he did it to make a point. the main evil he such as multi-culturalism multi-culturalism. in norway, the labour party, and this was the labour party youth, and the future leaders of this party. it was really to make that point. but also narcissistic reasons, that he wanted to be seen. he wanted to be heard. and the sites that he was on to it also would have been impossible. >> where did he get these ideas from? what was his upbringing like? >> oh, he has a sad childhood. when it comes to violent criminals, many of them have this terrible childhood. of course that doesn't excuse

him. of course. but it gives a part of explanation, the fact that he had a very dysfunctional childhood. where he had no attachment to anyone. all his life he's trying to find a place to belong and he's always rejected because he tries too hard and nobody wants him. he ends up playing video games for three whole years 17 hours a day. and from those video games, he goes on to the darker sites of the internet finding the very far right extremist side the jihadist side the anti-islamic sites. he can meet his hatred of the society, of immigrants. and probably because the internet functions as a chamber. so he probably believes he has more support. that he will spur a revolution around europe so that he will

end up leading a revolution. >> and take us back to the moment right after this happened. you were feeling what the country was feeling. no one expected that one of their very own would be capable of such a heinous act. what was that mood right after it happened, and still to this day, is there the sense of vulnerability that it could happen again? >> right after, we all thought this was al qaeda. like nobody would imagine that this happened, that it was one of us. but quite early on we realized it was -- he was one of my neighbors. and of course to see the consequences of what happened norway stood together. it was an act of solidarity and trying to not to answer with violence or hatred but to try

to answer this with an act of solidarity. that has helicopter edcontinued, but norway police force responded very weakly and very badly to what happened. they were very late. even the police were shocked. >> thank you so much for being here. it's a powerful book when he's writing letters directly to you. crystal gets personal talking about another democratic contender for 2016. there's another democratic contender besides hillary? e detail... ♪ ♪ detect hidden threats... ♪ ♪ see the whole picture... ♪ ♪ process critical information and put it in the hands of our defenders. reaching constantly evolving threats before they reach us. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. "ride away" (by roy orbison begins to play) ♪ i ride the highway... ♪ ♪ i'm going my way... ♪

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it could be a perfect political experiment designed to test whether we really want the things we claim to want from our politicians. on the one hand, you've got a glossy highly produced campaign video long on emotion and short on substance. and on the other hand, you have a 15-minute monologue laying out a specific rationale for running and detailed policy positions. hand picked average americans to craft an image of a candidacy focused on real people. and another a guy who flew commercial into iowa with little fanfare. a guessing game as to who exactly hillary clinton will be this time around. and someone who was a populist before occupy wall street. and an iraq war opponent who even as his son served. i'm not saying that webb is perfect or that i would necessarily vote for him, but he is a serious person a former

secretary of the navy an accomplished author, a military veteran, and former united states senator. he is someone who deserves a hearing. and there's something troubling to me about a process that would treat him as a joke hardly worth mentioning. he was drafted as the dem who would most likely lose to george allen. but then george allen called an indian american makaka and suddenly they thought they'd give a chance to the veteran stumping in his son's combat boots to protest the iraq war. will we have a moment where we decide we should take a look at webb or will we prove that the pandering politicians we have are exactly what we deserve? that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. scott walker closes in on coke brother cash. loretta lynch will finally get a

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