obadiah, john fueling sang and zerlina. thanks for joining us. alex witt will anchor live coverage of the correspondents dinner tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. that's "the ed show". "politics nation" with the reverend doctor professor al sharpton starts right now. >> thank you, dr. professor dyson. today the final day in office for one of the most consequential attorneys in american history. eric holder today saying good-bye to the justice department. >> it's been a long time coming. holder is the fourth longest

serving attorney general ever and loretta lynch's hortoysic confirmation delay made for an inside joke in the justice department with some employees reading free eric holder wrist bands. today we learned one of those employees was eric holder himself. >> we have these bands that i've been wearing for the last whatever number of whatever. i think can i officially take this off now. >> i think we can officially say now that eric holder is free. >> eric holder's legacy includes ending the federal government's defense of the anti-gay marriage

act, drug sentencing reform 20 civil rights investigations into police departments. the use of civilian courts to convict terrorists and aggressive challenges to anti-voting laws around the country. todayled attorney general spoke about the fight for voting rights. >> the thing that i think in some ways animates me angers me is this whole notion about protecting the right to vote. the notion that we would somehow go back and put in place things that make it difficult, more difficult for our fellow citizens to vote that -- that of all things simply cannot be allowed to happen the right to vote must be protected. >> through the years holder has been a lightning rod for right wing attacks. in 2012 house republicans even

voted to hold him in contempt. more than 100 democrats walked out in protest but the vote didn't slow holder down. last year he visited ferguson missouri. he played a big role into my brother's keeper initiative and he was in selma this year with the president. after six years eric holder is leaving the justice department but he leaves behind a legacy that will be felt for years to come. joining me now is sherylin ifill, director and council of the naacp legal defense fund and education fund and ari melber msnbc's chief legal correspondent and co-host of "the cycle" on msnbc. thank you both for being here. >> good evening. >> thank you, reverend al. >> how significant was eric holder's tenure as attorney

general? >> well i think you said it at the top of the show. it's monumental and it will be regarded historically as monumental. this is a person who came into the office with a supreme court sense of confidence. served as deputy attorney general in the past. he had been at a law firm at covington and burling and a judge at the superior court in washington, d.c. so this was someone who was eminently qualified for the job at attorney general, and he came into it with i think a confidence that allowed him to take the reins of this job in a way that few attorney generals have been able to do. one of the things that i sympathy most remarkable and from my perspective most important about his tenure is that very often people forget about the critical role that the attorney general plays as the chief law enforcement officer in relation to civil rights and with attorney general holder you could never forget that. he moved the civil rights portfolio front and center to his work as attorney general, and he used that authority to

speak precisely into the moment that we're in a moment in which we have threats to voting rights of racial minorities because of the supreme court shelby decision, threats to the african-american community and families because of mass incarceration. the wave of police violence that we each seen. that everything he's done he's been able to speak directly into the civil rights moment that we've been in and he's done so powerfully and authoritatively in a way that i think we haven't seen maybe since robert kennedy was attorney general. >> ari, you interviewed the attorney general last year and asked about his legacy on drug sentencing reform. that's a major part. listen to what he said to you. >> you know we erred a little in the war on drugs in going too far with regard to some of the sentences that congress -- that congress mandated and i think we have a moment in time now where congress as well as those

of us in the executive branch think that it's time to -- to pull back just a bit, and so i think -- i hope that that will be a part of my legacy. >> what will his legacy be when it comes to sentencing reform ari? >> i think that's a significant part of the legacy rev. you play that sound there. we were at a dedicated federal veterans court in virginia which was another initiative that may not get a lot of attention that he was pushing because veterans often turn to alcohol or substance abuse when they come home and in our war on drugs system they like so many other young people who commit maybe one nonviolent drug offense or make a mistake are typically then thrown right into an incarceration model that he was critical of and we also know about the racial disparities and the class disparities and the way that that model grinds through a cycle of incarceration, so that was but one example of where he was changing it. what i'll say to build on what

sherralyn was saying it always starts with' rkt ave job and reacting to the crimes that are out there and he's done that and why he's similar to attorney general robert kennedy is he saw a proactive policy part. yes, they continue to enforce all the laws against crime and violence and also the drug laws of course. this was not open season and proactively looking forward he said let's have a smart on crime reform that deals with racial disparities and lessens mandatory minimums in some cases where they don't feel that the maximum penalty is good for society, and he spoke about that eloquently today rev, saying we're still a country who locks up too many people for too long for no good law enforcement reason and do i think that is a good part of the legacy. >> holder of course was the first attorney general to talk in personal terms about being racially profiled. he said the news of trayvon

martin's death brought back his own memories listen to this. they brought me back to a number of experiences that i had as a young man when i was pulled over twice and my car searched on the new jersey turnpike when i'm sure i wasn't speeding or when i was stopped by a police officer while simply running to catch a movie at night in georgetown in washington, d.c. i was at the time of that last incident a federal prosecutor. >> i don't think aside from the fact that he was the first african-american, i think his sensitivity and passion, because we've seen african-americans in big positions not as attorney general but they kind of leave their connection at the door he didn't mind going there and i think that's what made him so special to a lot of americans, african-americans, latinos, the gays, outsiders felt like he really never lost his

connection. >> you know attorney general holder, reverend al is like me a proud native of queens new york and one of the qualities -- >> that's the suburbs, ari. we, the poor folks, lived in brownsville, but go ahead. >> one of the qualities about us queens people is that we are very direct and one of the things that you saw about attorney general holder and see about attorney general holder that i think is a part of his legacy also is he recognized a bully pulpit role as attorney general. he recognize that had what he said mattered and that he had the ability not only to use his power as a law enforcement official but also to use his power as a leader and as an african-american man to speak powerfully to -- to the issue of race and you talked about and showed the clip of him describe three-game personal experiences. you know reverend al that's what diversity is supposed to do. when we've talked over the years

about wanting to make sure that african-americans and latinos and asian-americans and native americans achieve certain positions, high positions, whether they are in business in law in medicine in politics it is because we expect them and want them to bring their unique experiences and perspectives to that work? and attorney general holder was unafraid to do that even though clearly ruffled the feathers of many people on right and many republicans. he was unafraid to speak his true experience to speak truth to power and to speak powerfully about the enduring role of race and racism in the lives of americans. he never overdid it. he's still a prosecutor. he's still a law and order guy. >> oh, yeah. >> but he -- he was very clear about the need to speak truthfully about the role of race. that's why at the very beginning of his tomorrow you remember he called this a nation of cowards on race. >> he got into -- >> that was him throwing down the gauntlet and saying he was not going to be a coward. he was going to speak about race. >> and he never did.

ari, it hasn't been all good because we heard attacks on holder from republicans in congress that got very personal so it wasn't an easy path for him. listen to this. >> if an american citizen had not complied with one of the justice department subpoenas, they would be in jail, not sitting here in front testifying. >> you either lied or you were grossly incompetent in your actions. >> further, mr. attorney general, you're well known in this town for not reading memos. >> do you think he's smart, holder? >> i have not been impressed with his intelligence, no. >> i mean what is behind these attacks, ari for a senator to say that he's not been impresseded with the intelligence of a sitting attorney general is unheard of? >> well you're speaking really to the political fight. he became a big part of the

house republican ways of pursuing this administration and showing they were politically anti-obama. i think they proved that point and then some by making eric holder their focus and it raises a historical question here that people will battle about for years, rev, which is this is the first time in american history that an attorney general has ever been held in contempt by a congress and ultimately historians will have to look at that and decide does that say more about this particular congress and its antipathy and at times obsession with eric holder or did it say something wrong about his tenure? i will say this rev, the shortcomings important in this justice department under eric holder were not the things that those republicans were focused on. they were things relating to larger questions about transparency and the war on terror and the drone program which we know is an ongoing debate. they were questions about whether money was enough of punishment for wall street. he talked today about record-breaking punishments on the mortgage side of wall street, and yet, as we know

many people were never held criminally liable. if you talk to doj prosecutors, they say that's the problem with the law the congress drafted. they want to hold people accountable, but it's those kinds of issues that i think are the bigger substantive questions about the administration, not some of what the house republicans seized on because they made him a political story which ultimately wasn't about the law enforcement it was about house republican politics. >> well, i'm going to have to leave it there. we certainly look forward to the incoming attorney general loretta lynch, but i must say as one that's been involved in civil rights all my life and sherrilyn, you and i have been across the table from attorney general holder and this president on many occasions, i don't think i've met anyone in government that i've had more respect for and more regard for, as a professional. he could be friendly but never go against the law, but he also wouldn't let those that broke the law go against you. i'm very proud that this nation had eric holder serving.

it made it a better nation. sherrilyn ifill and ari melber, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you rev. >> be sure to watch ari on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. straight ahead, breaking news in baltimore on the investigation into freddie gray's death. police are releasing new footage, and the mayor is speaking out today. >> i know that this is absolutely unacceptable and i want answers. also new tonight, it's been a war of words over trade this week but president obama just hit back at elizabeth warren and he used the word dishonest. plus news today from the benghazi committee that shows the right isn't serious about facts. and the celebrities are coming to washington. what jokes are president obama working on tonight? please stay with us.

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[♪] breaking news in baltimore. the investigation of freddie gray's deathle. today police admitting some of what officers did wrong on the day gray was arrested and police are releasing new footage. that's next.

>> i still want to know why the policies and procedures for

transport were not followed. i still want to know why none of the officers called for immediate medical assistance despite mr. gray's apparent pleas. i know that this is absolutely unacceptable, and i want answers. >> that was the mayor of baltimore talking about the death of freddie gray. he died sunday after suffering a severe spinal cord injury alleging -- allegedly while in police custody. the city police commissioner spoke just moments ago admitting the department's own policies were not followed. >> we know he was not buckled in the transportation wagon as he should have been. no excuses for that period. we know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner, multiple times. >> and there are growing questions tonight about how long it took to get gray medical help. here's the time line.

at 9:26 police first called for paramedics saying they had, quote, unconscious male. at 9:33 the paramedics arrive but they didn't leave for the hospital for a full 21 minutes, not until 9:54. it took them six minutes to get to the shock trauma center and about an hour and 20 minutes after gray's arrest. there's so many questions about this case like when and how did freddie gray get hurt? and why didn't police help him more quickly. joining me now are former baltimore city police commissioner leonard hamm. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for having me reverend. >> you just heard the mayor and the commissioner. what's your response? >> my response is first of all, i'm glad to hear them come

forward and glad to hear them lay it on the line and glad to hear them admit that we and i consider myself still a police officer, that we messed up and we did wrong and we have to find somebody who is accountable for this, and we have to get to some answers so i'm very placed that they came out with these statements? >> they are now admitting that their officers did something wrong. how important is that legally? >> well what's interesting about that is it sort of sets the stage. should the family of freddie gray want to go ahead and sue civilly. that information will be very helpful, but one of the things i find most striking about hearing what the mayor talk about what happened, this is what accountability looks like. account ability is when people who are in charge step up to acknowledge that something terribly went wrong and, b, ask the important questions small

minutia questions but breaking it down from the moment he was arrested and when he gets to the hospital. i think they are doing a wonderful job doing that. this is how you gain the trust of the people that you serve. >> leonard, you know, i want to read you part of the baltimore city police department's policy on custody. it says officers must quote, ensure the safety of the detainee and ensure medical treatment for a detainee is obtained when necessary or requested. investigators say he asked for help. how concerning is it that that policy was ignored, leonard? >> it's very concerning to me rev. first of all, back in my past i was an instructor in the baltimore police academy and i was a director of that baltimore police academy. those are primary basic things that we drilled into the heads

of our officers and i don't believe that's policies have changed, and basically an arresting officer is responsible for the safety and well-being of that suspect who is in custody from the time you put the handcuffs on that suspect to the time he's in lockup. that's the arresting officer's responsibility to see that nothing happens to that officer -- to that suspect. >> midwin the police commissioner explained today he wants ton transparent, but he doesn't want to hurt any possible prosecution. listen to this. >> what you see us tap dancing on and balancing here is that if someone harmed freddie gray we're going to have to prosecute them and so giving too much information out to you on the front here now may jeopardize that prosecution. so we're trying to be as open and transparent as possible, but if somebody harmed him they have to be held accountable. >> so now the commissioner is openly talking about a prosecution if someone is found at fault.

>> right. which is interesting, because as a police commissioner we haven't seen that from other cases that have occurred where they are actually even suggesting this before others do and i think that what it does is lets us know that this is being handled different. i think's been so many of these deaths throughout the country that i think that those who are in charge mayors, police commissioner s, elected officials are working within framework that people expect. tell us what it is you intend to do about this and in the process what happened to justice and the fact that he mentioned prosecution is very interesting, at least from the job he has. >> leonard, the mayor asked about people being hurt while in the back of police advance. listen to this. >> the reason why we have the policy around seat belts in the police vans is because of an incident that happened previously.

we have known about this issue. that's why we've not only put additional policies in place but also put procedures in place to make sure that those policies were followed. clearly they were not in this case and -- and to -- and with very tragic consequences. >> now the incident she's talking about is one that happened while you were commissioner back in 2005 when police arrested dondi johnson. they put him in the back of a van handcuffed. he did not have a seat belt on. he suffered a spinal injury and later died. his family won a multi-million dollar judgment that was eventually reduced to $219,000. is there a possibility that this practice called rough rides is more common than we know leonard? >> it's a possibility that it is rev. when you have one incident like that, what we normally do as police officers is we look at

it we evaluate it and we try to find out what happened and why it happened and we put in procedures that see that it doesn't happen again a second time. apparently those procedures were ignored. apparently those procedures weren't done, and now here we're face with the same thing again with freddie gray. >> now, we have midwin several witness accounts from the moment that gray was arrested. listen to this. >> i heard this boy hollering and screaming. get off of me. get off of me. you're hurting my neck. get your knee out of my back. >> they had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami, you know what i mean? he was all bent up. the officer had his knee in his neck, and he was just screaming, i mean like screaming for life. >> you know obviously we have to be cautious whatith eyewitness account, but how will these descriptions be used in an

investigate, midwin? >> i think what these sort of yells and screams that freddie gray exhibited, and we saw it on the videotape as well so it's not just what the eyewitnesses saw, but we saw it too. you can hear him screaming for pain. i think that that's evidence to be used to say that these police officers had notice of the fact that this person is in pain and they didn't seem to budge, and their job as your other guest said is to ensure the safety of a suspect from the moment that person is arrested to the moment that they arrive at a hospital or at a holding cell or what have you, so the fact that you hear this person screaming and saying ow ow, ow this hurts or whatever, like we saw with eric garner and the fact that, you know the police officers do nothing, don't stop what's happening, or at least even acknowledge that the person is in pain is incredibly circumspect. >> you know, i think it's an interesting, leonard and midwin i'm out of time that the mayor

did come forward today and the police commissioner just as the mayor and police chief did in north charleston because people like me, i get all kind of tweets. when are you going into baltimore? we don't just go in to go in? we go in when there's no response, but when there is response the local citizens and leadership handled that and that's all you want is to see it handled fairly and justice come about. >> right. >> you go in when you don't see it handled right. >> as in ferguson. >> that's not actism. >> which was the problem with ferguson and sanford and other places. >> and new york. >> leonard hamm midwin charles, thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. >> still ahead, mitt romney makes a startling acquisition against hillary clinton d.this new attack cross the line? that's coming up. this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof

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presidency in black and white, my up-close view of three presidents and race in america." very good book, by the way. >> thank you. >> also with us executive editor of blue nation review jimmy williams and msnbc contributor victoria defrancesco soto. thanks for being here. >> thank you, reverend al. >> thanks, reverend. >> we start with an escalating feud within the democratic party that's causing some tension between president obama and senator elizabeth warren over the fast track trade deal. >> i love elizabeth. we're allies on a whole host of issues but she's wrong thon. >> my view is when the process is rigged then the outcome is likely to be riggeded. >> president says the deal will help middle class workers, but in a fund-raising letter this week warren called the deal a top secret that the government

doesn't want you to read and today the president is hitting back on a conference call with a group of reporters. the president said the attacks are, quote, dishonest, and that is a quote. a little concerning, he said when i see some of my friends resorting to these tactics. jimmy, this is getting a little heated. do you think that both sides need to step back and cool down? >> well first and foremost you're right. april's book is fabulous. >> oh, thank you. >> second and most importantly. >> absolute. >> i i'm going to test you on the book jimmy, but go ahead. >> i'll take that test. secondly and most importantly back when i worked in the senate and we did the africa bill the cbi, caribbean basin bill china pntr democrats by and large were for those bills, for the most part and by the way, many of those were passed under bill clinton, and there was none of this sniping back and forth. my has the pendulum swung to the other side here and then we have

a very different environment. the reason we do is because of nafta. nafta was that -- remember ross perot said that giant sucking sound, and it did. it decimated to a large degree the middle class, and that's the problem here because now we're watching unemployment drop wages stagnate and we're finding out the middle class is shrinking. why did that happen and to a large degree it was nafta? that is not lost on those members. >> do you think that a lot of the apprehension among some democrats on this trade bill is because nafta didn't work and because they feel that any trade bill could lead to the same thing even though the president has gone out of his way to say this is not nafta. >> yes. >> and he was just getting out of law school when nafta happened? >> the north american trade agreement, that's what nafta stands for but we have to remember that many people in the democratic party like you said reverend al, are saying that it didn't work and it's

disenfranchised a lot of the middle class in the country. two things with the fight with elizabeth warren and president obama, one that she's saying it's secret. i believe if and when this does pass, the trade promotion authority passes the president will give more information about it. he will be more transparent because if there are any questions about transparency they will try to come out and give more and they don't want that. that's a legacy piece as well. two, have you to remember trade is a really important issue in this country. middle class are supposed to under nafta grow with trade, but we are a country that farms out a lot of our -- our products now to other countries, and our product is really what it is that we're trying to talk about and we're talking about products that are made and manufactured in places like new york texas and california those are big manufacturing places and manufacturing works hand in hand with trade so we have to think about those things when we talk about trade in this country with

other countries. >> victoria? >> i think it's healthy to see this debate in the democratic party. you know given the nature of our presidential contest, our nominating contest where president -- excuse me frayed young slip candidate clinton is the only one who has announced, i know freudian slip there but we want to see debate within this party. my real question is where is hillary clinton going to come down on this so we see the warren camp and we see the obama camp and we also know that a lot of free trade happened under bill clinton >> exactly. >> where are we going to see hillary clinton here? >> isn't that the problem though, jimmy, is that if she comes down close to where elizabeth warren is then doesn't she have to deal with nafta and gatt and things that happened under her husband's administration? >> no, because those are her husband's legacies not hers but i will say this. if she does in fact come in fact for tpa and tpp, what's elizabeth warren going to do,

run against her? no, she already said she's not and most importantly what are democrats going to do not vote for her? no. they will still vote for her. that's the problem. that her husband's legacy. this is the current president's legacy. bottom line is free trade works both ways as april just succinctly said and the bottom line is if you don't do something in these measures to protect the middle class. >> the problem is quickly, april, we don't know what the deal. >> well, we do. >> the president has said that he has not finished giving and outline of the deal and warren is saying it can't be secret. >> well, warren is saying it can't be secret because, one, she is the person who purports to be the person for people. she wants open disclosure and there may be some pieces on the table, but there are other pieces that are not, and a lot of times with this administration, you know not just republicans are left in the dark according to republicans. now democrats are feeling left in the dark so they are going to have to bring elizabeth warren and others into the fold

to let them know a little bit more of what's going on to kind of damp down this transparency controversy and squabble. >> all right. it's going to be interesting, and we're going to be watching t.april, jimmy and victoria thank you for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> you, foo. >> thank you you too. >> thanks reverend. >> coming up president obama and bill nye, the science guy, talking about climate change and the republicans. an intersection of politics and hollywood. repreview the white house correspondents' dinner. ♪ ♪ ♪ (under loud music) this is the place. ♪ ♪ ♪ their beard salve is made from ♪ ♪ ♪ sustainable tea tree oil and kale... you, my friend, recognize when a trend has reached critical mass. yes, when others focus on one thing you see what's coming next. you see opportunity. that's what a type e* does. and so it begins. with e*trade's investing insights

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gridlock has gotten so fwadbad in this town what, did we do to piss off chris christie so bad? and i'm feeling sorry, believe it or not, for the speaker of the house as well. his days -- the house republicans actually give john boehner a harder time than they give me which means orange really is the new black. the koch brothers bought a table here tonight but as usual they used the shadowy right wing organization as a front. hello, fox news. let's face it fox, you'll miss me when i'm gone. it will be harder to convince the american people that hillary was born in kenya. >> that's always fun to watch. this year's host "saturday night

live's" cecily strong the comedians in the past haven't disappointed. >> plptdmr. president, have a seat. >> his main girl condoleezza rice, condi, how are you? i love that mime condoleezza, it's two people you know the name is broken down condi, that's the person you see on television, you know with the nice hair and very professional and then there the leezza. the one with her hair wrapped up with her girlfriend watching b.e.t. >> what happened to you? when you were sworn in you looked like the guys from the all spice commercials and now you look like louis gosset sr. i never said this to anyone before but maybe you should start smoking again. >> an honor to be here.

if you told me as a kid i would be sitting on the same dais as president barack obama. would i have said the president's name is barack obama. >> joining me now are my colleagues ronan farrow and crystal ball who is hosting a special red carpet show on "shift msnbc." thanks for showing us. >> good to be here rev. >> especially with all the parties in time. >> a lot to go to. crystal will look much better on the red carpet. >> why has this become such a hot event in washington krystal? >> well, it's this crazy mix of d.c. and politicians and journalists and celebrities and so i think because it's such an interesting mix of folks you've got that dynamic, and then you have this act that you see the president, whoever the president is at the time in this very loose way being able to take shots at people and in a sharper and more pointed way than he

normally would be able to. it makes it a fun event. it makes it fun to be in the room and see a few people squirm, and it makes it fun to watch it on tv too. >> we're talking about the president taking shots. a lot of zingers at these dinners come from the president. watch this. >> donald trump is here tonight. obviously we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. you didn't blame little john or meatloaf. you fired gary bucyk. and these are the kinds of decisions that would keep me up at night. four years ago i was locked in a brutal primary battle with hillary clinton. four years later she won't stop drunk texting me from cartagena.

some folks still don't think i spend enough time with congress. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell they ask. really? why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell? >> that's a tough act to follow ronan. >> it is indeed, and, you know the thing you hear from so many of the comedians that have spoken at the correspondents' dinner during his tenure is he is exactly that a realtive act to follow rev. he's got incredible comic timing, a really dry sarcastic way, a willingness to push issues on the edge hillary drunk testing as an example. i think you'd be hard pressed to if you poll that room to say that the president is a high point in that relationship.

it's a rough crowd for everybody involved. it's a tense night in a lot of ways. >> reverend you spoke with cecily strong about hosting dinner. how is she feeling about that tomorrow night when you talked about? watch this. >> give me your thoughts on ted cruz very funny president or unfunny president? >> unfunny. >> rand paul? >> that would be funny, yeah maybe that's a funny president. he's got that goofy little silly dad that's so endearing. >> marco rubio? >> funny president. oh no not yet, but he could be surprise me. >> okay. hillary clinton, would she make a funny president? >> dying to make her a funny president. >> does she have it in her? >> she will try. >> she will rock the mom jokes. >> she has to keep trying and one of these days one of them is going to land. >> it's obvious, ronan, she knows her politics. >> she does know her politics. she's save and really smart. has a great team of writers

working with seth myers, lead writers and seth did a routine at that event that went down very well played that room well. it's an unusual room to play because let's face it washington isn't always the funniest and don't always want to poke fun at themselves. i think her approach isn't going to be scorched earth. i think she will ease them into it and her brand is not an unfriendly one, and yet i do think she has clear political views and will stick it to certain people in that room. it will be interesting to see exactly how. one thing she told me rev, the top priority for her, asking political favors. she wants an ambassadorial appointment, belgium. >> quickly, krystal, what are you looking forward to tomorrow night most as well? >> i'm looking forward to what the president has to say. only has a couple more of these, and he always delivers great jokes, and i think's a lot of material out there right now with the 2016 candidates so it should be fun. >> ronan and ystal, thank you for your time.

>> thanks rev. >> and watch kraystal live from the red carpet on "shift" via msnbc and alex witt has the live coverage at 9:00 eastern. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. springing john hinckley. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. in march of 1981 25-year-old john hinckley shot president ronald reagan and three other men. [ gunfire ] >> mr. president! >> oh, my god. >> had it