i think we can officially say now that eric holder is free. >> up next "weekends with alex witt." breaking news overnight, a devastating and deadly earthquake in nepal. rescue operations are underway with reports of many trapped. a live report ahead. stormy skies. it could be a weekend of potentially dangerous weather in parts of the country. where might the worst hit? the forecast in minutes. and the bruce jenner saga. hear new reaction to what many are calling a powerful and poignant interview about his future. and a new and closer look. how is the white house going to reassess the u.s. drone program. will it slow down the number of attacks after this week's big

revelation? good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we are here in washington, d.c. and we have breaking news to shower. a powerful earthquake shook nepal's capital of kathmandu. this happened in the kathmandu valley. houses have collapsed huge cracks have split roadways. historic buildings and temples have been leveled and hundreds are feared dead. this is the worst quake to hit the region in more than 80 years. the magnitude 7.8 quake struck just before noon and was felt throughout the capital. and climbers on mount everest felt the shock. one climber has tweeted this everett base camp huge earthquake then huge avalanche from pumori. running from my tent unhurt. many many people up the mountain. we'll bring in zach reeves to

talk about this with us. zach, a good morning to you. let's talk about the quake's severity. can you put it in perspective there? >> um -- yeah i mean it was a 7.8. located near the capital. it was also located near a couple other smaller cities like land dstgun. >> okay. >> this is the result of a thrust fault between the urasia and india plates and just south of the himalayas. >> okay. obviously, based on the geological area of the mountains, because they are so strong, it's a strong area for earthquakes, but this is described as a shallow one. it's just seven miles deep. what does that mean? >> well, when it is that shallow, there's a -- there's

less time for continuation as opposed to a deeper earthquake where if it was deeper it would be further away, so you would lose more energy before it reaches the surface. but since it is close to the surface, you're pretty much getting a majority of the force the earthquake created. >> which is why we are seeing the kind of destruction we're seeing. can we also talk about the avalanches caused by this quake? you may have heard that tweet from a climber on mount everest at base camp there. what can a quake do to that area? can it cause the devastating avalanches, rocks and tumbles, can it reshape the configuration of the mountain and the climbing pathways? >> i'm not sure about the exact amount of destruction it can cause. but to create avalanches those are obviously pretty destructive and the landslide is what we have seen before with earthquakes. >> yeah. and what is the worst thing

about this is it the destruction of the buildings? is that what people would be most concerned about? would it be literally the land masses opening up is that possible with something of this size? >> no crevices normally don't open up. but the buildings collapse is probably the biggest issue because of all the people inside, obviously. and essentially if you have a place that has old buildings and buildings that are not structurally quite as sound as they are as the more modern buildings are, especially with the narrow roads they have there. >> all right. well zac reeves thank you for phoning in at this early hour to let us know what you know from the u.s. geological survey. we'll stay on top of this story and bring you more information. we'll have more from the london bureau coming your way at the bottom of the hour. now we'll go to weather and a violent night in the plains. heavy rains and hail hitting

stephensville, texas. in ft. worth the storm brought down trees and that pretty much scared neighbors. >> out of nowhere, we were in the car and the car starts to just shift, just gradually start shifting and moving. so everything happened so fast. >> there were reports of tornadoes in kansas. there's the possibility of severe storms today in the ohio valley as well as in the southeast and along the gulf coast. let's get reaction now to bruce jenner speaking or breaking his silence after months of rumors about his changing personal appearance. in a much-anticipated interview with abc news' diane sawyer the olympic gold medalist turned tv reality star reveals that many speculated that he's transitioning to a woman. >> for all intensive purposes, i am a woman. people look at me differently. they see you as this macho male but my heart and soul and everything i do in life it is part of me. that female side is part of me.

that's who i am. why now? i just can't pull the curtain any longer okay? i've -- built a nice little life. i just can't, again, bruce lives a lie. she is not a lie. i can't do it anymore. >> joining me now is matthew bean editor and teach of the advocate magazine. matthew, with a big welcome to you. i do want to point out while bruce jenner now identifies as a woman, he still prefers that others use the pronouns he and him. let's talk about that. and what we're seeing right now, he takes his ponytail out, it's a symbolic gesture of himself as a woman. but first of all, how do you think he handled the moment? >> it was an inspiring and emotional interview. given his fame through the

kardashians and as an olympian he's reaching tons and tons of people. i think this may be the most widely viewed transition we've ever seen. so he has the power to really inspire a lot of people to maybe evolve in their ideas about what it means to be transgender. he has opened up his story to the world and allows young transgender people to realize they are not alone. it's just enormously impactful. >> absolutely so. you're right. but there are all these different ideas, i want to pick up on that. he wants to still be known in the terms of he and him at this point. perhaps that will change. how does that get defined? or is it different for everybody? >> it's personal and different for everybody. he's described himself as a transgender woman. and yet he said at this time he prefers he and him. he may simply be more comfortable with that for now. he did talk about an emergence later on. we know he's got a reality show coming up.

and i think that that will -- that emergence will happen in the public form as well. and, for example, he didn't say that he had chosen a new name which some transgender people do or do not after they transition. it's a personal choice. you know, there's an array on the gender spectrum. not everyone fits needily into one end or the other. so it's a good idea if it's a question in your mind to politely ask, what gender pronouns do you prefer? bruce has suggested he and him for now and that will change likely in the future. >> uh-huh. talk about the impact. i mean bruce jenner dominated twitter for hours. i want to take a look at the celebrity reactions. his famous stepdaughters among those and his loved ones who tweeted their support. tennis legend and lgbt advocate billy jean king tweeted, bruce jenner, we learn from you to be courageous funny and to be our authentic self. jimmy fallon tweeted, one small

step for man, one giant leap for mankind. ultimately, i do think this is a turning point. is that the kind of impact he will have? >> absolutely. diane sawyer mentioned there was something in the high 80% of people who say they know someone gay or lesbian and about 7% to 8% know someone who is transgender. that has changed for a lot of people. now there are more figures that are in the public view like laverne cox and bruce jenner. their presence and the inspiration they provide, it's fantastic. you mentioned kim and kanye, two real surprises last night. for me one was that kanye west was really instrumental in kim kardashian's coming to terms with bruce's transgender. the other was that bruce is a republican. i'm hoping that this revelation

will help make some end roads in conservative circles as well. >> you're right. those two were big takeaway points from the interview. another thing for me is that this echoes diane sawyer trying to get to the root of this. because bruce jenner says as far as he knows, he's heterosexual. but at one point he says i'm a sexual. i never was attracted to the guys because sexuality was totally different than what my issues were. why do you, matt think it was so important to distinguish between sexual preference and gender identity? >> one of the reasons it is important to make the distinction and the show did a really good job of that last night, is because there's a lot of confusion out there generally. gender identity is as one writer put it how you go to bed as rather than who you go to bed with, which is sexual orientation. they are not the same thing at

all. and bruce has been involved with women in the past. and was a heterosexual male. and describes himself as asexual now, but we'll let him define his sexual orientation in the public spear if he chooses to do so in the future, but it's unrelated to gender identity. i'm glad the show made the really good point of deallianating that. >> i think the show did a great job. matthew, i appreciate your time. so to all of you, what is your reaction to the bruce jenner sbe interview? you can tweet me with my twitter handle @alexwitt. and a fire broke out on the pit row there in virginia while the car was being refueled. this engulfed three crew members

in flames. three were hospitalized with injuries. a pair of sisters is happy to be home after going missing nearly two weeks ago. leslie roy and lee wright were visiting relatives when their vehicle got stuck near lake superior back on april 11th. yesterday their vehicle was spotted by a helicopter yesterday afternoon. >> they started to circle and they got out of the vehicle and were waving their hands and they were trying to build a fire quickly to signal to us that they were down there. they were very elated. lee wright was clutching to her bible. and they were very appreciative to be found. >> well, the two women survived on girl scout cookies and cheese puffs before they were rescued. this is bad news for us here. coffee lovers getting a sweet surprise. free starbucks? that was the bad part. that's good, but the company experienced a widespread system failure starting around 7:00

p.m. and that is the bad part. it shut down the registers in 7,000 stores in the u.s. and a thousand stores in canada. the company says the stores were forced to close early. they are reopening today with the problem fixed. thank goodness. new protests are expected today in baltimore as police there acknowledge mistakes were made during the arrest of freddie gray who slipped into a coma after his arrest and died a week later. the baltimore police commissioner said officers didn't follow procedure after gray was arrested. >> we know he was not buckled in the transportation wagon as he should have been. no excuses for that period. we know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times. >> msnbc's adam reese is in baltimore for us. adam, with a good morning. what can we expect there today? >> good morning, alex. organizers expect thousands of protests to converge on baltimore to protest the death of freddie gray.

they will begin at 3:00 at the location of freddie gray's arrest and slowly make their way through downtown to city hall here for a 5:00 rally. now they want the six officers arrested. they are demanding an end to racial profiling and police brutality. the city officials are calling for a calm and peaceful demonstration today. >> they want an end to the cycle of black men being shot down gunned down having their spines broken and their backs broken. the people of baltimore are demanding this. >> this whole community is committed to seeking justice for mr. gray. so if you're going to come here come to help us. not to hurt us. >> now the investigation continues on multiple fronts with three agencies involved. the police commissioner spoke yesterday. he said mistakes were made. number one, chief among them freddie gray was not buckled in on his way to the precinct.

some speculate that may have been the cause of some of his injuries. and we also want to know that why was it there was not medical attention brought to him on multiple occasions as he was brought to the precinct alex? >> yeah. those are questions that need to be answered. adam reese thank you so much in baltimore. ahead, new questions surrounding hillary clinton and her time as secretary of state. could this impact the 2016 ambitions? mpbtsz and and more on what is expected to be bruce jenner's last appearance as a man. i will speak to somebody about the journey that bruce is now on. ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50 from infiniti.

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i'm not asking whether or not senator clinton stole favors from the state department but i'm asking whether these donations should be disclosed. i'm asking about disclosure.

i'm not suggesting -- >> that is something secretary clinton can talk to you about. is how they handled this particular incident. >> that exchange at the daily white house briefing at issue whether the clinton foundation disclosed specific donations from a russian uranium company during secretary clinton's time as secretary of state. the clinton campaign has written back in the book "clinton cash" that claims clinton did favors for the foundation. the charges have also been made in "the new york times" and elsewhere. a clinton spokesman said quote, no one has produced a shred of evidence that hillary clinton ever took action as secretary of state in order to support the interests of donors to the clinton foundation. on thursday chelsea clinton who serves as vice chair of the foundation addressed the issue. >> what the clinton foundation has said is that we will be even more transparent. even though transparency international and others have said we're among the most transparent foundations.

they will disclose donors on a quarterly basis and not just the annual basis. and that the government supporting programs whether in health or development or women's economic empowerment, that work will continue. >> let's bring in ann garen, political correspondent at "the washington post"." thank you for being here so early. is that exchange there that we heard at issue here that it was not disclosed, these donations or that they were made and what is the issue? >> it's two-fold. first is was it appropriate for a family foundation with her name on it with then secretary clinton's name on it to be wrapped up in a multinational and very complicated business deal, one of their major donors is a major figure in this canadian company that controls uranium mines. it gets really complicated really fast.

so one thing is, was that an appropriate thing for the foundation to do given that one of its principles was secretary of state? but the question josh earnest had more was, hey, wait a minute, she was a cabinet official for president obama. did the white house know about all this? was she telling her employer the president, about these kinds of relationships? was she under any duty to inform, to report that kind of business relationship? and legally she wasn't i mean the foundation is a separate entity. it was walled off from her as secretary of state to a very large degree. and she had no direct control in either what the foundation was doing or in frankly, what the u.s. government was doing on the regulatory side. she was secretary of state, which is one of the entities in the u.s. government that would have had a role in making some of the decisions that are now at

issue. she had no independent authority to make those decisions. still, there's a perception problem here. >> well, here's something that was written by jonathan shay who wrote on thursday all sorts of unproven worst case scenario questions float around the web of connections between bill's private work. hillary clinton's public role as secretary of state. the clinton's quasi-public charity and hillary's noncompliant e-mail system. but the best case scenario is bad enough the clintons have been disorganized and greedy. that's a pretty negative assessment directly to your point of perception. >> right. it's -- each of the constituent parts of this are explainable on their own. you get it all together and it just sort of -- there's a -- an inclination, i think, by a lot of people to kind of go what? i don't understand how all this works and wait a minute wasn't she secretary of state? >> and what you're saying there, what kind of impact does this have down the road than for

candidate clinton? >> so far politically, not a great deal. clearly, her campaign is concerned about the allegations in this forthcoming book. they are concerned about the perception problem. you see them pushing back very very hard. on each of these constituent parts. however, i mean polling would suggest that while most likely democratic voters think she would be a good president and support her, i mean well over 60% in most polls, there is also a large constituent group of democrats, likely democrats, who when asked as a secondary question, do you think she's trustworthy, answer that in -- at half or slightly more than half the rate at which they say she would be a good president. >> so that's interesting. going forward, that could be a problem. >> that is a gap that she will have to try to close as a candidate and answer those questions. and she gets an opportunity here

in public testimony in just less than a month. >> another question is the report of the clinton foundation refiling tax returns. first of all, is that definitely happening and why would that happen? >> they made some omissions and so they are re-filing some tax returns going back a couple of years. this was disclosed this past week. the foundation had already said that it failed to report one of these, again, very complicated transactions a couple of years ago. so the crux of what was at issue was already out there. but they went back to amend the tax returns. again, not what you want to have the family foundation doing two weeks into a presidential campaign. >> bottom line same month from now, is this the kind of thing we'll still be talking about or is this the story we'll remember? >> i think actually that some degree of the questions surrounding the family foundation are going to be with her if not all the way -- 18

months from now until the election, then much of that way. probably not in any -- to any degree of specifity that we are going over it now. will we remember the uranium mines? probably not. but that general question may linger for voters. well what about all that stuff about the foundation in bill's speeches? >> i could talk to you for hours but i have to be content with reading your articles in "the washington post". thank you so much. and talking about her unique road to the primary race. that's ahead. i need to look for a used car. but i just keep putting it off. it's daunting. what if i make the wrong choice? it's like, if i buy a t-shirt and then change my mind i can return it. but a car? you don't reeeaaa eeeeeaaaaaly know until you've driven it a few days. i just want to be

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national intelligence. >> we're going to review what happened. we're going to identify the lessons that can be learned and any improvements and changes that can be made. and i know those of you who are here share our determination to continue doing everything we can to prevent the los of innocent lives. >> the president thursday acknowledged that an american and italian hostage were killed in a drone strike against a terrorist attack this past january. kristen welker is here. good saturday morning to you. what is the next step? >> alex good saturday morning to you. we know there are two investigations underway. one is an internal governmental review. this is typical whenever there's a counter terrorism operation regardless of whether a mistake has been made. but the second one is one that president obama asked the inspector general to conduct. and among the key questions, can the u.s. government do a better job of interacting with and communicating with the families of hostages? in this case the family of dr.

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." we have breaking news to share, a powerful earthquake shook nepal's capital of kathmandu. hundreds are feared dead. the quake was centered in a densely populated area with houses collapsing. there are huge cracks and split roadways. historic buildings and temples have been leveled and the aftershocks continue to rock the area this morning. let's go to nbc's kelly colbiet monitoring this all from london. >> reporter: outside a hospital in nepal, scenes of chaos with patients overflowing into the parking lot outside. the 7.9 magnitude quake shook nepal's capital of kathmandu before noon. at 11:56 local time. houses collapsed, roads buckled. this 200-year-old tower, a

historic monument in kathmandu crumbled to the ground. rescuers are desperately trying to cig people out from under the rubble. more than 50 may be trapped. on mt. everest there are reports the quake triggered an avalanche with climbers from around the world preparing for a push to the summit. from northmen pk camp1 and camp 2 swept away by avalanche. many climbers missing. mountaineer alex gavan tweeted, everest base camp huge earthquake. then huge avenue landment from pumori. running from my tent. many, many people up the mountain. the quake was felt as far away as india and pakistan. >> that was extraordinary. the 7.8 quake was felt as far as pakistan and india. we'll bring you all the latest

pictures and details throughout the morning. now to more on bruce jenner and the transition from man to woman. he made the announcement during a two-hour interview putting rumors to rest about his changing appearance. miguel almaguer has the story. >> reporter: ending months of speculation, bruce jenner is breaking his silence confirming what many are suspected. >> my brain is much more female than it is male. it's hard for people to understand that. but that's what my soul is. >> reporter: in an interview with abc news' diane sawyer jenner says he's now transitioning to become a woman in the most puckly way. >> i look at it this way. bruce, always telling a lie. he's lived a lie his whole life about who he is. and i can't do that any longer. >> reporter: for years jenner was the very definition of masculinity. the gold medal olympian who was

a national icon. >> i'm keeping the ponytail. >> i think it looks hard. >> reporter: now a celebrity to generations of his family's reality show. the 65-year-old says he was never comfortable with who he portrayed. >> i never fit in. when you deal with this issue, you don't fit in. >> reporter: living a lie and under the microscope jenner says he understands why some ponder suicide. >> i can see where people get to that -- let's go on the run, i have a gun, boom you know? pain is over. it's done. i can't do something like that. i want to know how this story ends? >> reporter: with his children's support, jenner's transition into his new life is underway. as for his sexuality -- >> i never was attracted to the guys or any of that kind of stuff, okay? because sexuality was totally different than what my issues were. and i always felt heterosexual.

>> reporter: jenner says soon he'll reemerge as himself, a woman. hoping to blend in with the new name a new look and as the person he's always wanted to be. >> i feel like i'm going to be okay. 2015 is going to be quite a ride. >> reporter: miguel almaguer abc news los angeles. there's been an outpower of support on social media with many calling bruce jenner brave. in a statement glad president and ceo sarah kate ellis says by sharing this story, bruce jenner has shined a light on what it means to be transgender and to live authentically in the face of unimaginable public scrutiny. well joining me now is tik milan who transitioned from a woman to a man. good morning to you. i would like to get your reaction on how he handled coming out to the world? >> the interview was great and i like how they took some time to talk about the issues facing the transgender community. and also that his transition was

opposed to nuance and not about his medical transition. so i thought it was really good. >> i would love to get that since you have been through the transition of becomeing a woman to a man what resonated with you the most? >> what resonating was disappointing your family and understanding the trepidation and fear there is with coming out to your family. but what we see with bruce and others that is not told enough is often our families are accenting and the community is accepting. and it is really about giving people the space. we have to create space for transgender people to be their authentic severals and create time for them to understand the transitioning. because transitioning is not just about the person transitioning, it is about everybody in their life. i went from being a sister to a brother. an aunt to an uncle. he is going from you know a man to a woman and in his

relationship with his family and friends, it's going to change. and it is really great to see they have opened up and have supported him in this way. >> they have. but as someone who has dealt with this, having siblings let's talk about four of the six biological children, he has ten total children seven grandchildren. this is a man who is all about his family. but what do you think is most difficult for his children for your siblings? what was the most difficult part of this to accept? can you put it into one thing? is there a synopsis of that? >> i think the most difficult part for the family for people around a transperson experiencing this transitioning with them, is trying to reconcile to figure out what to do with the memories and what to do with the relationship with the person that they were. it does not completely disappear. it is just rolled into their new identity? for me personally this is a conversation me and my father had a lot about what to do with the memories and the things that we did as father and daughter. and it just becomes a part of our new relationship as father and son. it influences the new

relationship. so i hope as they move forward they can take what they have learned from each other and the love they have experienced from each other and let that influence this new relationship and the new yourjourney we are taking together. >> bruce jenner said 2015 is going to be quite a ride. what lies ahead for him? what kind of year is ahead? >> well, you know i think that he's definitely going to face some scrutiny in the media. but i'm hoping that this interview was done so well that we're going to start to have a better conversation and not resort back to you know, the really crass jokes about jenner. those are things he may have to worry about and also still having awkward conversations and uncomfortable conversations with family and friends. it's a process and it's a long process. i think it is really important for everybody and for us in the media, for people in bruce's life, to really create a safe space for him to make the transition in a way that is authentic to them and feels safe for them. >> yeah. and he says he hopes everyone keeps an open mind.

tiq milan, thank you for talking to us. i appreciate it. for all of you, according to one estimate there are about 700,000 transgender americans and the struggle many face becomes more evident in the survey of more than 6400 transgender people in this country, sadly 41% of them say they have attempted suicide. no doubt that the bruce jenner interview has drawn worldwide interest. it topped google's trends with 2 million searches. she's barnstorming through iowa with a presidential run in mind but what kind of perception is carly fiorina experiencing? that's next.

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trail. >> i promise you that it is only in this country that a young woman can start out as a medieval history and philosophy major, a law school dropout typing, that a young woman can go on to become the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world and maybe in less than two weeks throw her hat in the ring to run for president of the united states. that's only possible here. >> well, joining me now from des moines is msnbc's jane timm who was there with carly fiorina. good morning to you. what has the reception been there in iowa so far? >> reporter: good morning. by all accounts carly fiorina and her team are pleasantly surprised. she's not largely known in the sphere but she's getting large crowds. iowans are glad to hear anyone talk but she's not well-known in this political spear. she's going to have to shake a

lot more hands than senator ted cruise in the news every week for his conservativism. and so she's going to have to battle that. i think she's seeming like she has a pretty good understanding of how that is going to work. we hear reports of her announcing on may 4th, less than two weeks from now as she said but that's not confirmed by her campaign. and i don't think we're hearing reports that she's going to have any kind of sort of big huge rally like we saw senator rand paul have. you know senator ted cruise have, because she doesn't have sort of this base of people in a home state that can come out to hold the carly for america signs. but she understands this and is not phased by it. i asked her about this at the end of the event last night. let's take a look. >> a state like iowa or a state like new hampshire. early states where people want to get to know you. so i come out and take as many questions as people have and people leave and know me. and then they go talk to other people. >> so we're going to see you back here soon? >> oh yeah. >> and are we going to hear

anything on may 4th perhaps? >> maybe. >> reporter: as you can see, she understands this but her approach going out there answering questions, it's going over pretty well with iowans. i chatted with people before the event who didn't know much about her and then followed up with them after and said you know i really liked how honest she was. she was very straightforward. and hillary clinton talked circles around me but carly fiorina is straightforward is what they were saying. there was one group that said have you held political office? they didn't know her bio very office and she said no i have not. i ran against ted cruz and didn't win. but then she listed all the different reasons she thinks she's totally qualified to do the job. that went over pretty well in this crowd. >> okay. all right. we'll hear more from her, no doubt, as well as from you. thank you, jane timm appreciate it. up next scrutiny from a reporter who has written a book on hillary clinton's time as secretary of state. that's next. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine.

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hillary clinton could sbeen headed to capitol hill for two public hearings. the special house committee investigating the 2012 benghazi attack is asking clinton to testify in may and june. this comes as the clinton campaign is fightingalligations of improper foreign donations and influence at the family charity. the chargevise come from a book from a former bush aide. joining me is a bbc reporter who has written a book the secretary a journey with hillary clinton from beirut to the heart of american power. i want to read a statement first of all, this is from the clinton campaign. it's response to "the new york times" story about the russian uranium deal. no one has produced a shred of evidence that hillary clinton ever took action as secretary of state in order to support the interests of donors to the clinton foundation.

do you think she could have influenced policy without any advisors or checks and balances coming into play. >> it's hard to say how that would have happened. these big decisions take place at a cabinet level with knowledge of the president, you know, other members of staff. so it's hard to say how she could have single handedly made a decision to benefit one of the donors without anybody realizing that's what was going on. i don't think there are any allegations so far that have come out. we have to wait for the book to be published thatindicate. when people at that level hang out with other rich people for a long time other government officials, foreign government officials, the question arises

to what extent does it form their world view and get them to see things from the other person's perspective. and then informs their decision making. >> when you were covering the secretary, did you hear about these foreign donations? nothing at all helps you think this is going to be an issue down the road? >> while we were covering her as secretary of state no, this never seemed to come up as an issue. i've personally never heard her make any references to t. we were very focused on policy making, on a cabinet level. the white house, the state department. working together obviously, she had her differences with the president. those donations at the time they never surfaced in any of the conversations. there were of course moments when president bill clinton was giving speeches in different countries. you always wondered how does that impact anything. at the time, there was no evidence that it had an impact. >> remove past these

controversies, if you will, when she's asked about her foreign policy accomplishments, what do you think her answers will be? >> she needs to give a better answer than the interview in new york a couple years ago. iate asked her that same question at the end of her tenure because i told her some of your critics say you've been inconsequential as a secretary of state. i thought her answer was interesting. she said we did do a lot. we -- you have to remember where we were in 2008 financial crisis, america's image in tatters around the around. there was a lot to restore togethers repair relations with allies. she sensed that was the new job of a secretary of state, it wasn't just about behind the door diplomacy and behind the door agreements signed and pieces of paper that you could show. i think that what she will do when she's asked what her

achievements were is point to that. and point to the fact when she left the state department things seemed to have calmed down in terms of america's interaction with the rest of the world. but that's what she will point to. she wint point to some of the successes, the cuba opening up that started under her. the iran deal if it is finalized. she can take credit for that. >> watching her tenure as secretary of state, did it give you an indication as to how she would lead as president of the united states? >> certainly it's given me an indication of how she had changed or evolved from when she ran in 2008. i thought that as secretary of state, there are a lot of shortcomings, we can talk about those as well. i thought she developed an ability to be more inclusive in how she brings in input of

information. she brought in people from far and beyond hillary land. she was a good manager and a good communicator. >> i tell you, you and i will have to continue this conversation. i'm lucky to speak with you. thank you for your time. that is a wrap of this hour with weekends with alex witt. join me at noon today. straight ahead we have up with steve kornacki. he's also here in the washington studio. this is an allen family production. and here's why we love chex. one,

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