. breaking news overnight at this hour. a devastating and deadly earthquake in nepal. new and dramatic pictures rescue operations under way with reports of many trapped. we have a live report ahead. jo stormy skies could be a weekend of potentially dangerous weather in parts of the country. where might the worst hit, the forecast in minutes. s the bruce jenna saga new reaction today to what many are calling a powerful and poignant interview about his future. in tech trends it has changed the way we view the internet and some ways life. the future of youtube on this a big anniversary. >> it's high noon in the east 9:00 a.m. out west welcome to "weekends with alex witt".

the death toll is rising after a master earthquake shook cat man dui. search efforts are under way. the quake centered in a popular area of the kathmandu valley. houses and cracking splitting roadways, buildings and temples are levelled. aftershocks continue to rock the area. kelly cobia is monitoring from london. what's the latest? >> it's difficult for government workers to assess how many people are injured, might be buried in the rubble so many collapsed buildings in kathmandu alone and issues on mount everest as well. survivors having to join with rescuers in digging through the rubble at these sites. this happened about 50 miles from kathmandu the epicenter about 50 miles from kathmandu. geologists say it was a shallow earthquake and problematic because the damage was spread

across a much wider area, some 300 miles away they felt this earthquake this morning just after noon local time. there is a tower in kathmandu, a historic tower, which collapsed completely a tourist site. people have been able to visit it for some ten years and observation deck on the eighth floor and they're digging for survivors there, some 200 are believed to be trapped now in that rubble and, of course others throughout the city are trapped in collapsed buildings, alex. it is a humanitarian disaster. hospitals are overwhelmed and the government is overwhelmed as well. india is the first now to send help sending in four military transport planes with aid supplies and with disaster workers, alex. >> yeah. and kelly, i know we can't begin to count the number of people injured or killed in this horrible earthquake. i mean we're looking at the

preliminary numbers measuring at least 1100 by some accounts but you mentioned mount everest, what do you know about an avalanche because there are plenty of people this being hiking season right there at base camp? >> yeah. it's believed about 3 hun,000 tourists are in nepal right now for the trekking climbing hiking season. about a thousand climbers apparently were at the base camp or the mountain at everest when the quake hit. an avalanche followed. one climber described hiding between a huge boulder to protect himself from falling rocks. another climber told nbc news he was caught up in the avalanche and said it felt like a wind in the back but more powerful. he obviously survived but it's been very difficult once again to assess just how bad it is on everest. possibly as many as ten killed several injured, but one of the tourism officials in nepal said we don't even know what the death toll and the extent of the damage is.

the trekkers are scattered all over the mountain. this is something that, you know, that rescuers will have to be working on this for days if not longer. >> yeah. i understand even the sherpas were trying to run to get out of harm's way and they're a hearty group of locals there. all right. kelly cobiella thank you for that report. we'll stay on top of that. to the weather as severe storms are battering much of the south. heavy hail and strong winds hit stevenville, texas, last night leaving behind downed trees and power lines. more storms rolling in later today threatening 34 million in texas, louisiana, and up into kansas. tornadoes, thunderstorms, flooding and hail may all be on the way. the weather channel's paul good lo has more on this. >> here in nashville, tennessee, a busy morning here. we had the st. jude's country music marathon and half marathons this morning. started at 7:00. great conditions for that. had rain overnight that ended before the marathon started, but

temperatures around 60 degrees. ideal for runners, but eventually as that storm is ending we're seeing the sun come out. temperatures pushing into the middle 60sp. we're going up to the low 80s today. doesn't feel like it right now but it's going to be hot and steamy and that will destabilize the atmosphere and could see strong and severe thunderstorms develop, a better chance north across the ohio valley and we have a more limited threat in nashville but the storms that do pop up will go severe quickly bringing damaging winds, hail and possibly even tornadoes, so definitely a concern here across the mid south and middle tennessee. but we also have that risk not only here in tennessee, but all across the gulfs coast states and texas and texas has a mixed bag. even ongoing flood concerns and severe weather that stretches towards florida and georgia. more rain moving to the carolinas and that's just today as we look towards your sunday once again, the bull's eye for severe weather, back into portions of texas. alex, back to you. >> okay. paul goodloe with the weather

channel, thank you. to new and overwhelming reaction to the bruce jenner interview as the former olympian turned reality star breaks his silence. in an interview with diane sawyer jenner revealed he's transitioning to a woman. >> for all intents and purposes i am a woman. people look at me differently. they see you as this macho male but my heart and soul and everything that i do in life it is part of me that female side is part of me. that's who i am. why now? i just can't pull the curtain any longer. okay. >> well joining me now is carmen a transgender model who transitioned from a man to a woman. you look beautiful this morning or afternoon now. >> hi. >> while bruce jenner identifies as a woman he prefers others still use the pro nouns he and him. i know carmen you shared your support for bruce jenner on your facebook page but as someone

who's made the transition from a man to woman, what resonated most for you in this interview? >> well to be honest with you, i felt like i related to a lot of his story. you know because when i started, i kind of came out and i was still in my male i guess, physical form. and i needed to make my transition and i did make it public and i know that for bruce, his bravery was just so like inspiring to me and it just kind of reminded me when i was kind of in that place and i don't know if i would have had that much bravery if i was in his shoes. but going back to the pro nouns, i think that he is comfortable with the he and the him now, but i have a feeling that once she is fully realized i think that that's going to change. yeah. >> okay. >> for sure. >> interesting during the interview, carmen, bruce jenner says as far as he knows he's het ter row sexual but one point

says he's asexual. the quote i was never attracted to the guys because sexuality was totally different than what my issues were. and then at some point refers to himself as her and she, but why do you think it was so important for him to distinguish between the sexual orientation and gender identity? >> i think that people confuse a lot of the times, because they see what's physical and we were we're talking about gender identity it comes from within and it takes a long time for you to kind of come into that reality so that other people can finally see who you are on the inside and i think that many people when they see someone that's born male they still confuse, when someone born male but feels like a woman, they kind of confuse it with sexual preference and it's always about sex but it's not necessarily about that. it's more about how you want to be perceived because you want to kind of be perceived who you are on the inside. i think that it's maybe it's still confusing for him as far as the right words because maybe, i'm sure he knows he's

speaking to, you know everybody in the world pretty much and -- >> yeah. >> with everyone kind of listening you kind of have to take into consideration that at lot of people are ignorant and don't understand the clear like definitions of these types of words and everything that falls in the trans umbrella. i think that asking him about sex and all that stuff is kind of taking away from his gender identity preference. who he feels he is as i guess, who he identifies with as far as gender goes. >> i don't think it has anything to do with sex. i think diane made it clear that who you go to bed with and as is a difference between your -- >> yeah. that was definitely a point that was made during the interview. of course famous step daughter kim kardashian spoke to matt lauer in a today show exclusive about the family comes to terms. >> did this support take time? was there an adjustment period for family members to kind of

get used to this idea? >> i think there is still an adjustment and there is, you know family therapy and we're really close. you know i see reports that say, you know, this one doesn't support him and this one is over here and my mom feels this way and -- it's all really so made up. we all really support him. is it a hard adjustment? yes. >> wow. >> i think it was interesting that diane sawyer brought out the fact that from bruce jenner kanye west was the greatest influence on kim and she is perhaps the most accepting of the kardashian family girls but when it comes to family it's going to be different from family to family but the adjustment process -- >> even with my family. >> who was that like? >> they get used to your character because obviously i live with my family my whole life and they get used to referring to you as that he for me he and him, and once i

transitioned and come back in the door and still have the same character, still the same spirit, it's just how i choose to be perceived and who i feel i am on the inside so that adjustment is kind of hard and i think that physically when they see it manifest it's easier for them and in my case i didn't come back home until i was kind of done with my transition. but it is kind of tough when you love somebody and you're just -- you just form that habit of always referring to that person of, you know how you've always known them to be. so that can be difficult there's a lot of love in that family and i can sense it watching them and commend them for being so open and public because i mean it's got to be tough. it's got to be tough with so many opinions especially when people try to force their beliefs like kind of try to define you for how they believe you should be or, you know, and that's kind of -- it's tough. >> yeah. >> but i think that -- i don't know.

i think i'm happy, i'm so happy with the interview, i'm just -- i can't wait for the rest of the world to kind of come around and really understand it. i think they are. i'm really positive about this. i think it was great the way it was done the way it was told the story. i was so happy. by the end of it. >> carmen i know you talk about how much you admire his bravely coming out and being public about it but i admire you and your candor talking about your experience. >> thanks for having me. >> you're welcome. >> take care. meantime new protests are expected today in baltimore as police there acknowledge mistakes were made during the arrest of freddie gray. gray slipped into a coma after his arrest two weeks ago and died a week later. baltimore's police commissioner said friday officers failed to follow procedures after gray was arrested. >> we know he was not buckled in the transportation wagon as he should have been. no excuses for that period. we know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner

multiple times. >> adam reese is in baltimore for us where it's been a difficult week or so adam to say the least. how about today what's happening there? >> alex good afternoon. protesters will gather here in the city thousands of them later in baltimore to protest the death of freddie gray. they'll start out at 3:00 at the location of his arrest at 4:00 they'll head to the western district police department. that was where he was taken and eventually end up here at 5:00 for a large rally. they're demanding the arrest of the six officers involved and an end to police brutality and racial profiling. now city leaders are calling for calm ahead of the protests. >> to any and all that would seek to bring chaos to our city the people of baltimore, will not tolerate you hurting our community where we live where we worship, and where our kids go to school. the real chance for reform

should not be lost to those who would find joy in destruction or harm to this great city. >> reporter: now the investigation continues on multiple fronts with three agencies involved. the commissioner there admits mistakes were made. chief among them there was no seat buckle on gray as he moved to the precinct and that could have been the cause of some of his injuries and medical help was not called for when he certainly needed it. his funeral is on mond. alex? >> okay. . msnbc's adam reese in baltimore, thank you. s just ahead, the drone debate. the white house comes under fire for what is being called a lack of transparency in drone policy. later on former senator bob kerrey will join me as the world prepares to mark 40 years since the fall of saigon. plus new mexico governor bill richardson joins me from santa fe at 1:00 p.m. eastern to talk about the politics involved and questions to the clinton foundation and presidential contender hillary clinton. ♪

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two headlines on the u.s. drone program days after president obama acknowledged and took responsibility for the accidental killing in a january drone strike of an american and italian hostage held by al qaeda. the "washington post" headline reads u.s. government's refusal to discuss drone attacks comes under fire. in "the new york times" the the headline, drone strikes on al qaeda said to take toll on leadership in pakistan. joining me now former congressman and three-star navy admiral joe sestack served as director for defense under bill clinton and running for the senate in pennsylvania against pat toomey. welcome. always good to have you on the broadcast. >> thanks. >> "the washington post" story calls for points to some drone strikes and says the u.s. government has yet to admit but

in light of what we learned on thursday do you think that the administration should be needs to be more transparent in the use of drones? >> yes. as long as it doesn't reveals classified information. how might we have learned that al qaeda person who was alongside the innocent person was discovered to be there. look i went on the ground in afghanistan at the very beginning of the afghanistan war. i had it report back with a small group to secretary rumsfeld. at the beginning, the collateral damage of innocent civilians was quite large but we had aircraft up there that were dropping less precise munitions. out of that and other efforts came this emphasis upon drones where you could have one loiter for hours to make sure that you might have near certainty that there will not be clutter. the damage would be so much worse if we did not have the drones that we have today. >> so are you for or against the use of drones? >> i am for the use of drones because they do give us the ability to go into places like

afghanistan or yemen and actually be a able to pinpoint someone. i placed a $1 billion destroyer for four months out of my battle group when i went for the war in iraq after i came out from that short mission, placed it off yemen, four months a $1 billion warship sat there doing nothing but waiting to launch a tomahawk, less precise drone, that would go hundreds of miles in if we could get the intelligence that a certain operative we knew was there placed himself in a certain position. after that we gave up. years later we got him because of a drone. and i believe on that one, no collateral damage where the tomahawk would have had collateral damage probably. >> "the new york times" made an article and pointds out years of american drone strikes have diminished the upper ranks of al qaeda, particularly in the pakistan area. so for that reason alone, does that validate the drone program? >> it validates it if the benefits are worth more than the

cost. and the answer is yes. we could not have gotten into pakistan. now part of the reason being successful today is pakistan has finally woken up and said that monster we created over the years, that they supported al qaeda and the taliban, has suddenly turned on it and it is driving into those regions, those tribal regions, that's helping us a lot because it's keeping them on the run but no i support drone warfare if the rules of engagement like when i came out of afghanistan to try to say here's a better way to do it if they're more clearly followed. we need investigation on the last one to see if they have been. >> i want to talk about iran right now. we talked about the fact that you commanded a carrier strike group in the persian gulf in 2002. i want to talk about the op-ed piece that you wrote on iran's nuclear deals this week. the framework agreement could potentially be much more lasting 15 years or more if a final absolutely verifiable deal is achieved and will result in a safer america, a more secure israel and a more stable middle

east free from a nuclear arms race. how achievable is that, though when you still sees the leaders of iran allowing for and calling for the chance of death to israel death to america, as we've seen just this last week in marches? >> yes. you're too young to remember nikita crew shove when he went to the u.n. and took his shoe and said we will bury you, america, and yet presidents from nixon to reagan did treaties with them because we have to verify before we trust. so unless we're able to have tv on target 24 hours a day in that enrichment facility that's buried under 300 feet of rock that we can go in to verify that what we think might happen that they will stop having the ability in 30 days from now to have a material that could explode in a nuclear way, that they will be setback one year does that not enhance our security if we can verify that. >> good point. to politics now.

i want to talk about the different reports with regard to the money donated to the clinton foundation. also money coming in from foreign sources during hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state. what is your greatest concern about this? is there anything that you feel that has been untoward or that has either violated law or a certain morality code? >> i think miss clinton is going to be -- secretary clinton will be a great president but my biggest concern of this as well as the drone strike you talked about is transparency. will you tell us exactly, as chelsea clinton has said let's go back opens the books and make sure all the transactions that might have been reported but weren't are open and then lay down the very strict rules like initially had with the obama administration that anything that does come in from a foreign government no longer will be acceptedp. that's my only issue and i think she'll step up to the plate and do it because trust is the biggest deficit in america today. not the national debt.

that's why transparency is important. >> irs filings being pulled and refiled, do you concern this is going to be sort of a piling on effect and people won't forget this? 30 days from now we'll still be talking about? >> this is the season for everybody on opposite sides making anything about nothing. this may be something, i don't think so but yes, i think they should go back and find out those irs filings and find out what did happen and it wasn't properly reported do so. look americans want to trust again and i think mrs. clinton wants -- secretary clinton wants to serve them well and i think this is the most important thing that can be done on this issue. >> former respect joe sesttack and senator candidate, thanks. >> better call sal being haled among the best television spinoff. today's number ones and it's next. ♪ ♪

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." bruce jenner put to rest rumors ability his changing physical appearance announcing he is, in fact transitioning to a woman. here's more from his interview with abc news's diane sawyer. >> i am me. i'm me. i'm a person. this is who i am. i'm not stuck in anybody's body. it's who i am as a human being. my brain is much more female than it is male. it's hard for people to understand that but that's what my soul is. >> well during the emotional interview, jenner said he started taking hormones in the '80s and will decide whether he will undergo sex reassignment surgery. needless to say a lot of reaction to the interview and here's one sample headline from "variety." bruce jenner overcomes hype in diane sawyer interview and bruce

jenner interview trending on twitter with 712,000 retweets. we've been asking you all day what's your reaction to the bruce jenner interview and some of your tweets. bruce has the freedom to transition. i saw a confused person. wish him peace and resolution, love he's a republican. tweets, authenticity is the key to life whether at sports or home. being true counts. jenner epitomizes that. keep talking at me -- continue my handle @alexwitt. growing calls for a review of the u.s. drone program following president obama's admission this week that a strike in january accidentally killed two western mostages held by al qaeda. the president addressed the issue in a speech before the intelligence community on friday. >> we're going to review what happened. we're going to identify the lessons that can be learned and any improvements and changes that can be made. we all bleed when we lose an

american life. we all grieve when any innocent life is taken. we don't take this work lightly. >> joining me now former democratic senator bob kerrey who served as a navy s.e.a.l. in vietnam and fellow medal of honor recipient retired colonel jack jacobs and military analyst. glad to have both of you here. senator, first, in the scope of military options there are drones on one end and there's sending in teams like the one that you were part of navy s.e.a.l.s., other special ops groups but judging from what is made public it seems that drones are this white house's strong preference. is that the right choice? >> well i think the answer is yes. it's one of those situations where you got -- your choice is bad and not so bad. in this particular case al

qaeda took these guys hostage and as a consequence, they ended up being casualties of a drone strike. i think the drones in general have been quite effective. >> colonel, the president's drone doctrine says they're only used when there is an imminent threat but in the strike that killed the hostages the cia didn't even know who was in that compound so can you really call that particular incident an imminent threat? >> well i've been around long enough to follow edgar allen poe's that said believe only about half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. i mean public policy shouldn't be looked at at all. public pronouncements at the end of the day, the enemy has morphed and our policy has morphed and it's kind of irrelevant what we call it. there was no imminent threat when we went into abot bad to get osama bin laden at a time when we hadn't even seen him there and didn't know for sure he was there.

i wouldn't listen to anything that the -- that public people say about what the policy is. take a look only at what it really is. >> senator any concern it could engender more resistant against america, the drone strikes, and create more terrorists ultimately? >> yeah. s there's -- i would say there is a concern but understand their declaration of war on us, their intent is to kill as many americans as they can, this is al qaeda. isis is a different organization but they've established a state in countries we support and we find ourselves now fighting a war with a different kind of an enemy. this didn't begin with us saying oh gee, some bad guys over there, we want to get them. these are individuals who have declared war on us and demonstrated the capacity to be able to attack us quite effectively. >> senator, in terms of the critics here one of the defenses we've heard is that the u.s. has made great strides in reducing civilian casualties.

world war ii large numbers of american prisoners were wilds, civilians killed by the abombs in japan, bombing of dresden. saying it used to be worse a valid defense? >> it's not a valid defense but it's true. it doesn't necessarily provide a satisfactory defense to the families of these individuals that were killed. it doesn't necessarily make them feel better. i'm sure an awful lot of families who lost loved ones in dresden didn't feel better as a consequence saying it was justified. we are at war and the declarations are made against us and they are organizing attacks at this minute against the united states of america, both here and abroad. and, you know, that's the baseline presumption at which you've got to begin these operations. i do think there's been a effort to reduce casualties off a drone. doesn't mean it's going to be perfect, doesn't mean you're going to have a situation with the intel on ground is 100% perfect and have these moments and the extraordinary thing is that our president is willing to

go before the world and say, we made a mistake and we feel terrible ability it. and that's who we are, the kind of people we are. i think that to me really balances the effort to try to make certain that you're reducing it to the extent as possible the number of civilian casualties. >> you make the point about the president going in front of the world and accepting responsibility here, but colonel, has the white house's near refusal to discuss drones in general in hurt its case made the public more suspicious or has to be what happens when dealing with drone strikes and not wanting to give away secrets and give it away? >> i take a different view than senator kerry. my view is that the white house shouldn't be talking about anything. i mean making partial disclosures does, in fact, hurt our effort and i think the best thing to do is make no disclosures whatsoever. not like we're fighting a conventional war. these are all black programs and the only people the president ought to be talking to is, perhaps, the oversight guys at the other end of pennsylvania

avenue. making public pronouncements and going back and then having to apologize for something gone awry doesn't make sense at all and i think talking too much by the white house, indeed talking at all about this hurts the program. >> gentlemen, i want to switch gears and talk about the history of 40 years ago. this coming thursday a april 30th, the 40th anniversary of the fall of saigon to the north vote nas mees and you and your fellow troops fought there, bled there, died there. what did it mean to you to see the north vietnamese take the country? >> well it felt horrible. we lost the war. it was clear to me i watched president johnson a announce he wasn't going to run for re-election and negotiate with the north vietnamese. it was clear to me at that point we would finish second. congress cut off funding in 1975 after watergate, so in some ways

it was anti-climatic you knew where it was going. my own focus is not on 30 years ago but 20 years ago when we ended the trading with the enemy, we normalize, bilateral peace agreement, trade agreement, sent a former p.o.w. back over there. i'm much more involved and concerned with what vietnam and the united states are doing today than i am about worrying about how i felt 30 years ago. >> yeah. you sure have been active in that regard. colonel, what about you? what did it mean? >> what about you, jack. >> the way we looked -- you guys are longtime friends. so you're not just calling him out. >> well you know, we all lost friends and we think about them often, a day doesn't go by i think about the friends of mine i lost over there. but i think the big lesson in vietnam is one that we haven't yet learned and that is it doesn't -- every time you allocate resources, tactically to do things scarce resources like people, time and money without first articulating what

it is you're trying to accomplish, you will fail. we've had a steady progression of failures since vietnam. we swore that we were -- we were going to learn from that mistake and we actually haven't and to this day, i don't think that you can get anybody at the top of the food chain articulating clearly what it is we're trying to accomplish with our instruments of foreign poll. >> i learning from mistakes senators, is it fair to make comparison to the current situation in iraq? >> i think it is. what jack is saying right now is enormously important. everybody gets excited and enthusiastic at the beginning and after the, you know, war begins oh, my god, people are killing each other and terrible things are happening, can't we end this. can't we get out of this somehow. and that's why it's enormously important at the beginning to state clearly what objective is and you have to pursue the objective to the end. obviously wasn't alive at the time but abraham lincoln would have lost the presidential race in 1864 because the american

people wanted to negotiate and the north wanted to negotiate and get out of it, if not for sherman, probably doesn't win hearts and minds in georgia today, but his victory in georgia turned the electoral tide. otherwise that unpopular war would have been ended in an unsatisfactory way as well. americans don't like wars and if you're going to get in one you have to make it very clear you're going to stay in through the end. i agree with jack enough about a lack of clarity with the military operations we've got going on right now. >> senator bob kerrey colonel jack jacobs thank you so much. i'm sure you guys will give each other a call in a moment. >> oh, yeah. >> thanks. >> in our next hour we will hear from tom hayden long-time activist and vocal opponent of the vietnam war four decades after the fall of saigon. this week marked the ten-year anniversary of the first youtube video, just ahead we will take a look at how the website changed the internet landscape and helped launch the social media generation. s you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's

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cat individuals or your trip to the zoo. it's now become a real platform for people to share news events create original content, for, you know existing media companies to put previews of their programming. it's been an all-around huge network and the place that increasingly more and more people get a lot of their video contents. >> it's also being used as an agent of change so what do you think is the overall impact that it's having on society at large? >> it's hard to quantify how huge of an impact youtube has had. before it existed the act of getting or sharing video on line was a cumbersome and difficult process. youtube made it simple to do and as you said that lets it be used as an agent of change so people can share videos they're taking, especially since the advent of smartphones upload to youtube and really share what's happening in their world and offer perspective or offer a way to, you know show insight into

other places. >> it brought in $4 billion in revenue. >> advertising is the primary way they make money. preroll advertisements advertisements sometimes pop up at the bottom of the screen there are recommended videos people can kind of pay for to recommend others users. so it's all based on advertising of course google's primary way of making money. >> that was a big game changer, wasn't it the preroll ads and the like? >> it was. when youtube started they didn't have ads and then started kind of doing some of the ad stuff early on and then in 2008 they started to run the preroll ads and what's unique the way youtube does it you don't always have to sit through the 30-second preroll. sometimes you can skip after 4 or 5 seconds. it's one of the things that, you know increasingly people will just kind of get used to sitting through so they can watch the next clip. >> i understand there's new products that youtube is getting ready to roll out. what do you know about that? >> they're playing with music because music is becoming a really big part of youtube.

a lot of people primarily get their music from itunes and then from youtube and they're working on a music service that will basically let you get unlimited music videos streaming without any ads and acs ses to lots of artists. they're working with major studios and companies to offer subscription video services to try to be a little bit more like nf and hulu. >> thank you so much. good to see you. >> good to see you j from des moines to vegas, gop hopefuls are descending on two cities to make their case for the white house. one person could be the key to someone's presidential dreams. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn't get their vaccine? we didn't think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we're here to help.

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coalition spring leadership meeting. joining me from des moines, iowa msnbc's jane tim and from las vegas, msnbc's benji sarlin. benji, first reach out to you, as senator duds cruz texas governor rick perry among those attending the jewish coalition meeting. what's the political prize in las vegas? >> the prize here is donors. lots and lots of donors. many of the members of the ajc are some of the most lavish spenders on republican candidates and the one thing that donors keep telling me over and over again this year more than any other, there is a lot of interest in funding candidates because of their concern over the obama administration's relationship with israel, particularly negotiations with iran so there's a chance for a candidate to garner a lot of support if they can impress the right donors here. >> okay. jane, how about iowa? the list of folks there much longer, but what is the key there? what do these gop candidates trying to establish with an iowa crowd? >> tonight's event is the more realistic evangelicals.

they want a strong social conservative in the white house but also want to win. they don't want to vote someone in on the caucuses who's not going to go very farp. so we're seeing people like rick santorum huckaby, trying to assert that, you know, they can be that person even though they weren't in the past after winning the caucuses. and people like, you know senator rand paul and senator marco rubio trying to get some of these social conservative votes. you can't win with just social conservatives these days but for iowa you need some social conservatives to get there. >> and jane former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina is there. you spoke to her. how is she being received and what did she say to you? >> you know, she is a's having a good reception. more are coming out than they expected. getting a positive response. people are interested to hear what she has to say. she's fighting a lack of name recognition. she gation to have to shake a lot of hands to size up to someone like senator ted cruz in the news every week, and she knows that. she told me i'm going to go out and shake hands, i'm going to

get there in iowa and new hampshire so people see me and then tell their friends about me and try to overcome this sort of name recognition hurdle. >> okay. benji, you mentioned donors and looking for money. talk about shelden adelson the big republican donor who could bank roll his choice for some time. he's there today. do you have any sense of the candidates which he's at least watching or who might get his support? >> well, there's no doubt adelson is the big prize here, one of the richest men in the world. the lavish ishish casino behind me the ven knee shah is his. now there have been some reports out there, one in politico that he had decided on rubio or was leaning towards marco rubio. been a very outspoken supporters of israel. i talked to a close friend of adleson's and other donors familiar with his thinking to some degree. what i hear over and over again it's unlikely he settles early

on a candidate. a lot of time. people are starting to get involved. we can expect to see this play out before he starts overtly putting money behind one of the republicans. >> msnbc's jane tim, thanks from iowa. and we can all tell benji you're at the venetian hotel in las vegas, you're in the in venice. just saying to be clear. thank you, guys. here's a programming note if you are not in iowa or las vegas, you will likely be in washington, d.c. for the white house correspondents dinner oh, there you go look at me don't like that picture, hosting special coverage of the event live on msnbc at 9:00 tonight for you. if you feel like getting started early watch coverage on shift by msnbc, with crystal ball and janet mock that starts at 6:30 eastern. first everyone we have plenty more ahead in terms of news this next hour including my conversation with the president and ceo of glads. we will discuss what the jenner family might be experiencing as they navigate the newly announced transition their dad is undertaking. you want me to pick just one? yeah, right.

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. disaster in the himalayas. a devastating earthquake sends people running for their lives. the sheer magnitude of this disaster still unfolding. revealing the bruce jenner interview, will this be a watered she moment for countless americans struggling with their gender identity. the drones debate. will the accidental deaths of the american and italian hostages force changes in the controversial attack policy. a new view why do baltimore police think the surveillance video could shed more light on the death of freddie gray. later this hour i'll speak with bill richardson on the u.s. drone policy and anti-war activist tom hayden will join me. let's get to what's happening out there as we have breaking

news at the hour. the death toll is rising after a massive earthquake shook nepal's capital of kathmandu. more than a thousand are feard dead and numerous search efforts under way. the quake in a densely popular area of the kathmandu vool valley. homes, temples all being leveleded. aftershocks rock the area as the death toll is expected to climb. nbc's kelly cobiella is monitoring from london. what's the latest. >> as you say, alex the death toll is climbing. reports of as many as a thousand, possibly more now dead. we have no count on the number of injured. rescues go on throughout the night. people digging through rubble trying to reach people who have been buried. one spot in particular, a tower, historic tower, collapsed when the earthquake hit. there were believed to be anywhere from 50 to 200 people buried underneath that rubble. there you see pictures of the

tower and rescue efforts ongoing there tonight. issues up on mount everest where there were at least 1,000 climbers according to tourism ministry officials, getting ready to ascend mount everest at the base camp there. there was an avalanche after the earthquake hit. some were killed in the avalanche. we don't have exact numbers as of yet. we have reports of as many as ten, possibly more. two tents at the base camp are filled just with injured. communication there is very difficult, alex? >> kelly, i understand there's also inclement weather as well. i mean i know the calendar is saying spring but reports of snow? >> well it was snowing earlier in the day on mount everest according to people who we have communicated with on everest and also reports of a possibility of thunderstorms, showers, in the lower areas. this is a problem because you

have so many people hundreds of thousands of people potentially, who are without shelter tonight. they've been told by the government to stay out of buildings because of the issue of afterstock shocks. there have been at least 16 so far. there was one just after the main quake that measured 6.6, so significant aftershocks and a significant risk of more buildings collapsing. now you have the added problem of people being stranded outside with no shelter, some aid is starting to flow in. india has sent in one military plane with rescue teams and three more and the red cross is mounting a relief effort as well. alex, one more thing from the red cross, they said they're having a difficult time reaching their people in the more remote villages. they say access roads have been damaged or blocked by land slides and communications there as well are down. >> i know. look we're looking at the

pictures while we're talking with you and the devastation in kathmandu is horrific clearly but when you look at more remote areas, getting the people out of that region and knowing who's where, it's such a massive area. if you look at some of the twitter accounts of people they send these. look right there, you're looking at baron pictures and it's so remote. any idea how they will get these folks out of there, whether they will do helicopter evacuations or just try have people trek to safety? >> remember we spoke about a -- another disaster, another disaster in nepal a few months back and there was this issue of mounting rescues. there was a freak snowstorm that hit, people were stranded and the problem is nepal is a very poor country, they rely on tourism for most of their income, their infrastructure in terms of search and rescue is not extensive at all, so there

is going to be a real difficulty in getting to some of these remote villages. you are going to have to have help from outside countries first of all, probably some sort of military or national guard type rescue coming in to clear some of these roads to create access to some of these more remote villages. alex one man who lives in a small village close to the epicenter told reuters the entire village was almost wiped out. most of the houses are either buried by landslides or damaged by shaking, so you can imagines the scope of this disaster and just getting to a lot of these people is really going to be the first challenge. >> yeah. absolutely. i know in terms of aftershocks some of them were coming about every 30 to 40 minutes after the initial quake which happened around noon their time. thank you very much kelly in london, for keeping track of things. from there now to the bruce jenner revelation he is transitioning to a woman. the olympic star made the

announcement during a two-hour interview putting to rest rumors about his changing personal a appearance. miguel al mcguire has the story. >> reporter: ending months of speculation, bruce jenner is breaking his silence, confirming what many have suspected. >> my brain is much more female than it is male. it's hard for people to understand that but that's what my soul is. >> reporter: in an interview with abc news's diane sawyer jenner says he's transgender transitioning to become a woman in the most public way. >> i look at it this way. bruce, always telling a lie. lived a lies his whole life about who he is. and i the capt do that any longer. >> reporter: for years, jenner was the very definition of masculinity. the gold medal olympian a national icon. >> i'm keeping the pony tail. >> reporter: now a celebrity to generations with his family's

reality show the 65-year-old says, he was never comfortable with who he portray eded. >> i never fit in. when you deal with this issue, you don't fit in. >> reporter: living a lie and under the microscope jenner says he understands why some would ponder suicide. >> i can see where people get to that. go in the room, got a gun, boom you know. pain is over. it's done. i can't do something like that. i want to know how this story ends. >> reporter: with his children's support jenner's transition into his new life is now underway. as for his sexuality. >> i never was attracted to the guys or any of that kind of stuff. okay. sexually was totally different than what my issues were. i always felt heterosexual. >> reporter: he says soon he will re-emerge as himself, a woman, hoping to blend in with the new name new look and as

the person he's always wanted to be. >> i feel like i'm going to be okay. 2015 is going to be quite a ride. >> reporter: miguel almaguer nbc news los angeles. how will bruce jenner's transgender identity change make a difference for others facing the same struggle? in just a bit the president of glaad and as transgender woman who tells her story in a compelling documentary. and what is your reaction to the bruce jenner interview? that's the question i'm asking on twitter today. so keep talking to me. my handle @alexwitt. more responses later this hour. new protests are expected today in baltimore. police acknowledge mistakes were made during the arrest of freddie gray. gray slipped too a coma after his arrest and died a week later. baltimore's police commissioner said friday officers failed to follow procedures after gray was arrested. >> we know he was not buckled in should have been. no excuses for that, period.

we know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times. >> msnbc's adam reese is in baltimore once again for us. so adam i'm curious in terms of what's happening there today, do you get a sense that the community has accepted the details that have been offered up by the police? >> they really haven't. they still want to know why did he die? how was it in what appeared to be a regular arrest that he ended up with a broken spinal cord and ended up dead a week later. they want to know what happened in the van and they still don't -- still not happy they have sufficient answers to that question. >> >> to any and all that would seek to bring chaos to our city the people of baltimore will not tolerate you hurting our community, where we live where

we worship, and where our kids go to school. the real chance for reform should not be lost to those who would find swroi in destruction or harm to this great city. >> reporter: organizers expect several thousand protesters to gather here in baltimore in about two hours. we understand about 50 protesters have already gathered a at the location where he was arrested. they'll go on from there to the precinct and then finally make their way down here to city hall for a 5:00 rally. alex? >> adam reese in baltimore, thank you for the latest from there. does the u.s. drone policy need to change in the wake of the accidental deaths of two hostages? i'll ask former ambassador bill richardson when he joins me next. also sheldon adelson is the monetary might to make a difference in the 2016 presidential race. who is he likely to support? we may get an inkling of that today.

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president obama now says the white house will review its drone program following the accidental killing of two western hostages held by al qaeda. will their deaths be the catalyst that turns the public against the highly controversial program. joining me former new mexico governor bill richardson who served as u.s. secretary of energy ambassador to the united nations and u.s. congressman. welcome to you sir. nice to se you as always. i would like to ask you, is this cause to reconsider the drone program,s was it just an intelligence failure? >> >> i think what needs to happen obviously there was an intelligence issue, you know without second guessing our intelligence people that are very good they have to define according to the president, certainty that there are no

civilians in the context of a drone strike. that's really hard to do. i think what needs to happen alex are two things. one in this review i would hope we set up in our bureaucracy, a hostage czar somebody that centrally can negotiate on behalf of americans held hostage. secondly, i think we need to emphasize within our intelligence community more human intelligence more spies, because, obviously we have the drones we have the nsa, we have the oversight of the skies, but sometimes you need the james bonds, the spies, to know whether there are civilians and we feed to penetrate those terrorist cells more. finally, al qaeda has been decimated by drones at least 40 top leaders, so you know on the whole for national security reasons, it makes sense to have these drones but we have to

figure out this issue of preventing civilian deaths and this tragic death of our hostages is terrible. >> you know you mentioned the concept of a hostage czar which makes sense, if the administration, if this country would go ahead and try to negotiate but the policy until now is we're not going to negotiate. where do those two intersect? >> well obviously, i don't think it makes sense to pay ransom for hostages. that should never happen. but i think a hostage coordinator can still coordinate hostage negotiations even though we're not negotiating with another terrorist group, there are third-parties, the qatari the united nations, individual hostage negotiators, that are out in private, ngos so i think a hostage negotiator does make sense.

families of hostages have complained that they don't have enough information and you've got a lot of bureaucracies, the pentagon the cia, state, dealing with hostages. let's have one hostage czar that coordinates an overall response. i think that makes sense. and that should be part of a review that comes out with this czar in my opinion. >> i know you've had a lot of personal experience negotiating for hostages. when you look at the situation here, warren winstead held since 2011 giovan lo poreto since 2012 had they not been killed was there still hope of getting them out? >> i do think so. i think right now with al qaeda, there are at lot of important intercessions that can happen. qataris, you know this bergdahl case well, had a third party help us. i know that's a controversial hostage exchange but i do think, you know, there's always

hope. and one of the positive things that even though this is a tragic death is the administration is spending a lot of time a lot of activity dealing with these hostages. i do think, for instance, there are two hostages in iran that should be a priority the american marine amir hekmati and secondly the american journalist, from the "washington post." you know iran should turn those over if they expect to be accepted in the international community and if they want the u.s. congress to approve this nuclear deal with the united states and iran. >> okay. good points there. let's switch gears and i want to talk about hillary clinton because there are now these allegations, i know you're familiar with it from this book by a former bush aide independent newspaper investigations that the clinton family foundation failed to document foreign donations, accepted donations from people tied to a russian ukraine yan mining company and here's the clinton campaign's response. no one has produced a shred of evidence that hillary clinton

ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the clinton foundation. do you see any there, there? >> no i don't. i think it's part of the witchhunt that the clintons always attract. i've managed the big bureaucracy the department of energy hillary clinton was secretary of state, you know you can't possibly know every decision that is made within your department because they're so huge. now you're ultimately responsible, but i read the director of that uranium office of the state department secretary clinton never contacted this person. these are like allegations that surface whenever the clintons run and so i just don't see the there there. i don't see the connection. i don't see the smoking gun. >> does the mere appearance of impropriety tarnish hillary

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>> well i was there when the earthquake struck and buildings collapsing around us. we saw a number of injuries one body in the streets where we were, and we've heard about many more especially in the older parts of kathmandu and the ancient capital. the older buildings really crumbled. the buildings and there are quite a few injuries. >> and shawn, i understand you've traveled now and in kathmandu. talk about how you traveled what that was like what you saw, and the devastation that you're seeing now in kathmandu itself? >> right. so we were in the ancient capital and we had to stand in squares to avoid being close to buildings because there were quite a few aftershocks. my friends and i ran from square to square through the former capital city and then walked for about three hours until we were able to get a taxi to the edge

of town and had to walk into kathmandu. there were people lining the streets everywhere. camps being set up people sleeping outside, when we got to kathmandu, my friends and colleagues were in front of the hotel, the hotel destroyed, seeing a lot of destruction, people camping outside, we're still feeling aftershocks regularly, and so we're -- there's a real feeling of [ inaudible ]. >> shawn, hope you can still hear me. i'm going to ask this question how bad are these aftershocks, a aa 7.8 and the aftershocks reported about every 30 40 minutes, are they strong these aftershocks? >> shawn, it's alex, can you hear me still?

perhaps not indicating the difficulty with communication and transmission in the region as well. i thank you to shawn casey for that of giving us an update. more to reaction to bruce jenner's revelation he is transitioning to a woman. glaad president and ceo sarah kate ellis says by sharing this story bruce jenner has shined a light on what it means to be transgender and live authentically in the face of unimaginable public scrutiny. joining me is sarah kate ellis glaad ceo and president, kimberly reid a transgender filmmaker and with a welcome to both of you, sarah you first, a twitter user tweeted that the love and support bruce jenner is getting on social media is, quote, making me feel more comfortable in my own skin as i go through my own transition. can you elaborate more on the magnitude of bruce jenner coming out this way, both for him and the impact it's had on society?

today people woke up in a country that was a little bit different. especially for the transgender community. and i think millions of americans were introduced to a transgender person for the first time and that's changing our culture and moving acceptance forward. >> and kimberly i want to talk about your documentary called prodcle sons about your personal transition from a man to woman. when you listed on to this interview what ses sew nated most for you? >> many ways i felt like i heard my story, how i always had the feeling that i was trying to fit in in a way society expected to instead of me being myself and i heard jenner talk about finally feeling comfortable with who he was and i say he because those are the pro nouns he's chosen to

be continued to be identified as but i saw somebody who is being genuine and authentic and i don't see how we can do anything but celebrate that. >> interestingly he at 65 has decided to make this change and he noted in the interview about the age of 8 i think it was, he felt comfortable and happy dressing up in his mother's dresses. i'm curious that for you, when did your knowledge come to you, when were you clear that your soul was that of a different gender? >> i don't ever remember that not being the case. i think that was always the case for me. it was something that was always there in the background. i also figured out it wasn't acceptable and it was something that i felt compelled to hide. i think the important thing about the interview last night, and about bruce jenner coming out, is that sarah kate was

saying many of us have somebody we can look to and feel like we know someone who is transgender. i'm often in the position where i feel like i'm the first trans person anyone has met and now we all have someone we can relate to. >> during this interview bruce jenner said he's heterosexual but at one point asexual, never attracted to the guys because sexuality was totally different than what my issues were. we note at some point bruce jenner refers to himself as her. and she. but sarah, if you watched the interview that was a point that had diane sawyer confounded to a point, understandly and she kept coming back to it and he wanted to distinguish between sexual yor yenorientation and gender identity and how difficult is that point to that concept to get across. >> a lot of times what we say is that sexual orientation is who

you want to go to bed with or attracted to and gender identity is who you want to go to bed as or wake up as. they're distinct in some ways. a although our communities are very intermingled and i think there are transgender people who are lesbian or gay or bisexual and transgender people who are straight and it's important to identify that way. everybody should be able to identify the way they want to identify and i think he wanted to make it clear who he is. >> kimberly you heard bruce jenner say 2015 is going to be quite a ride. what lies ahead for him in this process? how big a challenge is it? >> i think we're going to see somebody become more and more comfortable with who they are and i think it's an opportunity for our entire country to kind of go on that transition along with bruce jenner. sometimes i like the terminology

that instead of transitioning from one thing to another if you listen to what bruce jenner was saying last night, he was saying -- he was describing much more of a confirming his gender the gender that he has always been. so i think what we're going to do is go along on that process of confirming his gender with him. >> and kimberly there was a point when bruce's oldest biological son, an issue he made, he said i want my father to be happy and if you go forward, dad, with a relationship, and say want to get married again, will you marry a man or a woman, and bruce jenner's answer is i don't know. we have to -- one step at a time. do you understand that that he does not know if he decided to marry again or be in a serious relationship, what the sex of his partner would be? >> i certainly do understand that. i don't think that i could really figure out my sexual

orientation until i could figure out my gender. it's just -- i felt so unstable and uncertain in trying to things i wasn't that i couldn't really sort out all that other stuff about how i was going to be in relationships with other people until i could be comfortable with myself. so i understand where he's saying when he says that. >> all right. well kimberly and sarah kate ellis, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> in a moment why las vegas today could be a crucial destination for anyone with presidential hopes.

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in las vegas today? >> well there are a lot of donors here who are very, very eager to get involved in the 2016 election. the big talk among all the donors i've had conversations with is iran iran iran and that's been the focus of governor perry and senator cruz's speeches in there as well which are open to the press, unlike most of the events. so there's a lot of money to be dolled out here but the big prize is sheldon addleson's whose casino and hotel the venetian is hosting the event behind me that is not venice not covering the italian election over here but gondolas serenading going on and adelson spends millions of dollars, by some estimates well over $100 million on the 2012 presidential election, so if any republican contepder can get his support in the primaries it would be a massive boost to their campaign. >> which is why they are there today. benji, appreciate that. >> for more i'm joined by

eleanor clift washington correspondent for the daily beast and david. david, i want to talk about something that senator ted cruz, he railed against loretta lynch, railed against the nomination and not there for the vote. >> people have pointed it out. his office said there was an earlier vote that was more important to get the closure. he was there, voted on that. he registered his objections. he didn't need there to be for that. makes the case, people looked at the to look at his voting record something at 74%. >> 74% he made or mised? >> i think made. still, i think others had a far more robust voting record. this is, of course, something that's going to come up. you have to be doing your job while exchange. it's going to continue to come up not just for him but other senators who are now running for office. >> do you think there's anything that he did not want to be on record for posterity? anything to that? >> no. the dirty little secret his vote

didn't matter. loretta lynch was going to be confirmed with or without ted cruz and probably a lot of the votes i doubt he missed a vote where he could have been the deciding factor. it's hard for a politician -- >> no. it's hard for a politician to say i don't matter but does show his disregard for the institution. he really is not a man of the senate. >> well, we've talked, i think you and i talked before about how he's not particularly liked by his colleagues in the senate. that's for sure. the unusual divide between prominent democrats and the president over the trade regulations and the deals there. he's aes's at odds with elizabeth warren. >> they tried to lay the groundwork talking about this in terms that democrats would understand, about sort of creating jobs but it hasn't caught on. old fault lines and the president saying this is a new model agreement, protections for labor, for the environment, but in this last week we've seen the president really reach out to his liberal base the show

chris mathews show on msnbc but talked to his own former campaign operation organizing for action at a local hotel and troid to make the case. you could see notes of frustration. the criticism is getting to him and you're seeing his own and the white house's own rhetoric escalate. this is a problem. some people are concerned this could divide democrats into 2016. secretary clinton has not really endorsed this trade deal right now, even though when she was in office she talked about it as part of the asia policy for this administration the. the president said to some columnists on a call that he's going to go after criticism if he doesn't believe in it thinks it's dishonest. >> are you surprised hillary clinton has not taken a firmer stance on what's going on right now presently? >> no. she's at the stage of her campaign where she does want to make any unnecessary enemies and the left wing of the democratic party does not like trade deals. the nafta the north american trade deal that her husband

confirmed when he was president was way over sold and so it's a tricky issue for her. i would be stunned if in the end she didn't support it. i think some of the criticism this is a secret deal these deals, if they weren't negotiated in secret they would never get to any finish line. that's the way politics works. it will not be secret once it will be unveiled a long period of debate so i think in a way both sides are disingenuous, the president is arguing trust me i didn't get elected by the chamber of commerce and business round table. this is the best deal we're going to get. in the end that is something that will carry the day. yesterday's white house briefing we're going to roll the tape. >> okay. i'm not asking whether or not secretary clinton sold, you know favors from the state department i'm asking whether or not these donations should have been disclosed. i'm asking about disclosure. i'm not suggesting that -- >> and that is something that

secretary clinton's team can talk about, is -- is how they handled this particular incident. >> first of all, david, should the white house be able to answer this question? >> well the white house thinks they by saying there's no evidence right now that any decisions that secretary clinton made while in office were affected by donations from foreign governments to the clinton organization outside. but i think that these questions are going to still come up and they may come up more pointedly because we're only seeing the beginning of these kind of stories. there's a lot of finances going on questions about who was donating what influence that might have had tangentially. the white house is saying things secretary clinton is saying no hard evidence reporters will keep looking. >> you think the issue is mostly about disclosure here not necessarily about what actually transpired? is that what the biggest battle is for hillary clinton? >> the worst things in washington are the things that are legal. i really doubt that they have done anything illegal but the appearances are awful and when you're in a time of this

enormous income inequality the sums that the clinton foundation and the clintons themselves have received are simply eye popping and so i think they do need to be more forthcoming about especially donations from foreign governments or else people will look at her and washington and say this is more of the same and discussed the way politics is running these days and people get the fact that it's big money, that kind of calls the shots. >> all right. >> eleanor and david, you guys call the shots on my show. >> okay. >> thank you. >> glad to be here. good to see you both. >> what the fall of saigon means to one of the country's leading anti-war voices 40 years later. tom hayden joins us with his thoughts, next. or a mouth breather. a mouth breather! well, put on a breathe right strip and shut your mouth. allergy medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and sleep.

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vietnamese, those that worked for the u.s. government, people who were afraid of what might happen to them under a communist regime. >> that was nbc news's george lewis reporting on april 30th 1975. the capture of saigon 40 years ago by north vietnamese troops marked the end of the vietnam war and the beginning of the country's unification. it is estimated more than a million civilians died in the 20 years of fighting. 550,000 u.s. troops were stationed in vietnam at the war's peak in 1968. of course, the more deeply divided the u.s. thousands marched in anti-war protests across the country calling for a withdrawal of troops and an end to the draft. let's bring in tom hayden. he was a leading voice of the anti-war movement of the 1960s and 1970s. welcome to you, tom hayden. by april 30th as you know of 175 u.s. troops had mostly been withdrawn from vietnam. what did that day mean for those

who were opposed to the war? >> well it was a turning point. it was very important. there was a sense of finally it's over. on the other hand, you know a feeling of -- the feelings were mixed because so many people had died in what everybody was starting to realize was a mistake. it was an unnecessary war. our government thought it was so powerful that it thought it could deck take to other countries. the chief lobby at the time for the war was our catholic church. it wouldn't happen you should pope franfrancis, i'm sure but it was an attempt to support the restoration of the french.

a small minority of catholics that had a nationalist revolution led by communists. what kind of thinking made that happen? it had to be a superiority complex, an arrogance of power that the senator fulbright talked about. >> look there has been opposition to war before. the vietnam war was the first u.s. war that gathered such mass opposition. next week in washington. we're the first to bring back the whole anti-war movement in all of its differences and divisions. there were the draft resistors. it's never happened.

we were very powerful. why is one of the big questions. i think -- i think it grew out of the civil rights and student movements that preceded it. the feeling that we were working to end discrimination and create jobs. i was on the peace march -- the civil rights march in washington in 1963. we called the demonstration for 1965, 50 years ago. 25,000 people came. those demonstrations grew to a half million over and over. certainly the reason for the war was fabricated. not only was the gulf of tunkan

ens dent suspicious like the beginning of the iraq war later. it was nationalism -- radical nationalism, yes, led by communists but you don't really have a way to defeat by force of arms a national liberation wars they called it. that was the big error, i think. >> yeah. can you tell me in about ten seconds as you were married to jane fonda, and, of course she went overseas and she was widely criticized for that. what did you think when she headed over? >> i thought she was very instrumental in calling attention to the immediate danger that the u.s. was going to bomb the dikes of north

vietnam and flood the country. she got caught -- she got -- you live by the cam remarks you get caught by the camera. she got involved in an unfortunate incident. >> well tom, it's great to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right. that's a wrap. i'm going to host that special coverage at 9:00 p.m. eastern. see you then.

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