earthquake struck. water, electricity and sewers key parts of the najfragile infrastructures have been decimated. the u.n. says a million children are without food or aid. tens of thousands are facing another night outside braving heavy rain too afraid to step foot indoors for fears of another aftershock. the need for doctors and medical supplies is growing along with the number of injured. nepal averages only two doctors for every 10,000 people. 14 international medical teams are on the way to the country, including specialists from doctors without borders. unicef calls this a tragedy waiting to happen. geologists long predicted a severe quake of this size and long-term relief could prove difficult. they rely heavily on tourism and had a unstable government due to political infighting for a decade.

they are sending aid and rescue teams and u.s. is sending 10 million in humanitarian aid and cannot arrive fast enough. it is the middle of the night in kathmandu and ian williams is there. >> reporter: we have continued to feel aftershocks today a tremor not a strong one but still had people running out onto the streets behind me. it is dark here now and many are still spending the night in open spaces afraid to go home while these aftershocks continue. fearful but also perhaps wondering whether the houses will collapse whether they've been weakened by the original quake on saturday. now today i traveled out of kathmandu to an outlying area, where the devastation was quite severe especially in the older part of the town where a quarter of the buildings collapsed. many many more were damaged. they set off a big area at the foot of the village, funeral, a

lot of grief and shock. a hospital was overwhelmed, many hundreds of people have been through. that's an indication of the sort of scenes we can expect to see as rescue workers aid groups progress further into the kathmandu valley start to get closer to the epicenter where many of those areas still haven't had access to and where inhe have itably the death toll will rise. ian williams nbc news kathmandu. >> stay safe for us. let's bring in grayson shaffer, senior editor at outside magazine. he's been covering this since the quake struck. geologists have been warning for years now this could possibly happen, how prepared can you be of something for this magnitude? >> this was completely unexpected for people who are on mt. everest. the avalanche that swept base

camp base camp is usually set up in a basin that is insulated from avalanches they had to cover 200 to 300 yards of empty space, so this sort of really hit them from behind and came out of nowhere. >> some of the footage and wreckage is just harrowing to look at. you have been reporting on many aspects of this and write in your new piece a helicopter was scheduled to make this careful inspection of the route on sunday morning. how do those inspections work? you have a sense of how they are going? >> yeah, so they had a very narrow weather window sunday morning and were able to inspect the route through the ice fall was completely destroyed. one person in base camp estimated between 100 and 120 climbers were trapped in camps one and two above base camp. it's already been through monday morning in nepal local time.

they had another weather window and able to get a number of helicopters flights and rescue all of the people who were in camp one and camp two and get those people down to base camp. so now they've got 18 people confirmed dead still a few people missing and there has not been an accurate head count of everyone in base camp and leaving is going to be difficult to do. you have a scenario where it's all about figuring out how to get camp broken down and how to get people safely down the mountain and out of the country. >> grayson, it does raise questions about the future of climbing on everest, last year as you know, after 16 sherpas were killed in an avalanche, they seized climbing. i'm wondering, does this event change the risk analysis for climbers and sherpas contemplating the trip? >> i mean it's got to. this is the third year in a row there's been a significant incident. three years ago there was the

fist fight that made headlines and last year the avalanche at a came down off the west shoulder of everest and killed 16 local workers. this year what we're looking is is probably the worst disaster in the country's history. people are looking at whether this is economically viable to climb or whether the -- whether it can be done safely at all. a number of teams this year already transitioned to the north side of everest trying to climb from tibet and holding tight in tibetan base camp waiting to see whether there will be a climbing season. you may see times try to summit from the north side this year. >> a friend of mine i work with at the "washington post" is from nepal and getting married there in december. they are going back to their home country to get married, i'm going to try to go. but tourism is a huge industry for nepal. and it's devastating for my

friend and his fiancee, but how devastating is this earthquake to nepal's tourism? >> well one of the things -- the construction in nepal tends to be the red clay brick and a lot of places where tourist like to go these are generally single and two story buildings. much of the country -- many of the buildings were damaged or destroyed outright i heard as high as 80% of the buildings are uninhabitable and require serious repairs to make them stable again. there's a major -- it's going to require major rebuilding to get the infrastructure back to the point where the tourism industry will be able to move back in again. i think this is going to be a huge hit to nepal's economy and require major internationalry building effort and i think a lot of climbers and people who loved this place and visited over the years will transition to an aid role in trying to figure out what to do to help

rebuild the country and help the people. >> the death toll continues to rise. we don't even have a clear sense as to how many injured there are. it's a tragic situation as i was reporting earlier, two doctors for every 10,000 people but beyond just caring for the people reaching folks in these remote villages. talk to us about that and why it is so difficult to get to parts of nepal? >> nepal is a country that in many cases there are no roads. there's not a single car or four-wheeled vehicle up in the region. there's one helicopter pilot in the air and saw the village of langtang while the earthquake was going on and entire village razed to the ground. there's probably two to three dozen helicopters in service in nepal in the country at any one given time. all of those helicopters are the way that generally supplies get moved in and out when people need to move quickly.

otherwise things are still done on people's backs user porters and yaks and zokio, a type of cattle to haul material. these types of places a lot of villages are difficult to get to in the best places and they'll look at trying to use a very limited helicopter resources to try to get people in and out and get medical and food supplies in and out. >> heartbreaking, grayson, thanks for being with us. up next the author of the new clinton book responds to his critics on the "today" show. >> let's put it bluntly, are you hoping that this book and issues you raise in it torpedo her candidacy? >> plus a former president who's kept a pretty low profile doles out harsh words on the handling of iran. the best of the nerd prom whot go the best laugh at the dinner? do you think cristal and tour'e

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foreign entities. >> for more let's bring in jonathan allen, chief political correspondent for vox. >> hi gang. >> still trying to get used to the vox thing. >> it's something we're adjusting to. i want to play more of the "today" interview, is asavannah asked a good question regarding the lack of evidence. >> do you have any specific instance in which hillary clinton directly intervenes on behalf of donors to the clinton foundation? >> it's a great question what we have is a pattern of behavior. i was not in any of these meetings and can't look into hillary clinton's mind and can't look at her e-mails. the question becomes what is this pattern and the pattern consistently shows that donors give large sums of money to the foundation where they pay bill clinton a lot for a speech. there's a policy action that's taken to the benefit of that donor. in some of those instances, hillary clinton is actually reversing course on previous policy positions.

>> does every a problem here that all of his answers when pressed are more general rather than specific and there isn't any kind of smoking gun evidence regarding an exchange of cash for action? >> it's a problem because the rollout of the book suggested there would be that that you would read articles that showed us that hillary clinton was trading favors for donations to the cleveland clinton foundation. he's saying yoo have access to more information than what i have and thus what i have should constitute evidence and proof of wrong doing. it's important though he does gus a pattern of behavior and i think it's important scrutiny. one of the reasons we have disclosure rules for various things including campaign finance arrangements and clintons have decided to open up their disclosure under the agreement with president obama. the reason you have that to take a look and say, is there something that doesn't add up here. if you look at the pattern of behavior over time, at the very

least it suggests the clintons aren't great on policing themselves. >> disclosure is important but the guy wrote a whole book and didn't come up with it. i'm not even sure it's worth a whole tv segment. in fact we're going to move on to another topic that's more important than this one, which is the new dedate over overhauling the use of drones. the and the president's revelations about the killings was a rare moment of transparency what in often has been a secret war in the search for clarity. sudden justice american secret drone wars and good and the bad. chris woods is here at the table. jonathan stays with us. to senator rand paul a big critic, really pushed it and running for president now. here was his first live remarks responding to this incident on fox. let's play that. >> i do think that there is a

valuable use for drones as much as i'm seen as an opponent of drones, in military and warfare they do have value. >> we're seeing big critics like senator paul not using this as a time to criticize the drone program. >> i think they are rallying around the drone program. i think president obama last week standing up and admitting that the cia drones killed an italian and american civilian -- on that occasion that was an al qaeda blow. this is a self-inflicted blow. what really the president admitted to is that the accurate drones the precise drones that the cia has trumpeted can get it wrong and sometimes very wrong. they have the house under surveillance for weeks and still unfortunately killed those --

>> although part of their argument would be it wasn't the drone technology but the intelligence. >> that's right. the white house and president obama have been pushing for some time to move the drone program from under the cia to a department of defense. under the pentagon obviously, most importantly that would give more oversight and some real transparency. why haven't we seen that happen and would that ultimately answer some real questions that critics have about this. >> well, i think it would be very odd to have actually moved all of the drone program under the pentagon after sending essentially the master of drones, john brennan over to run the cia. i think it would have been surprising to see the transition happen already. the president has been saying that we erred and made a mistake and didn't know who was in the place the drone was going. under one of the central premises of the argument for drones, which is that you can kill in a targeted fashion rather than indiscriminately

that's going to be a problem for the messaging going forward but i still don't see a lot of erosion of support in the political clash. just showed rand paul for instance he's a guy out there against drones and not using this as a reason to cut down on the program. >> chris, on that issue, i thought one of the striking aspects of your reporting is how candid the drone operators and analysts were with you. they talked about boredom and own a.m. bif lens and people were asleep and missed a target on the move. they are not in the battlefield suffering the same physical danger. but if there are unique psychological cost that the drone operators and analysts pay. >> i think there is what we found talking to praltders is that post-traumatic stress what people get on the battle field is not showing up but they are getting other stresses as well. they are going home to families and taking that stress with them

and not allowed to talk about it with their partners and stress on relationships. and they are holding a lot of stuff in. with the decompression you get on the battlefield they weren't getting. if you go to war you're there for six months and come home and rotated through. many of the men and women i spoke to been on the job two or three years consecutively with a couple weeks' break per year -- >> who's going to want to do that job? >> very few people and they are finding it hard to retain offering $20,000 for drone pilots at the moment an they still can't hold on to them. it's quite tough. i have came out with a lot of respect for the operators and pilots doing a really tough job and not the play station mentality that some people portrayed, quite the opposite. >> jonathan it's your jonathan capehart, i want to talk about iran. how significant is it george w. bush, who has been silent in terms of his criticism of

president obama, how significant that he came out and slammed president obama's negotiations with iran trying to negotiate a new deal and said that the sanctions -- lifting sanctions would be a mistake and also believes that iranian regime is teetering. what do you make of that? >> it's not surprising that he believes those things and it would be shocking if he said it publicly, said that privately and of course the remarks leaked out not certificateterribly surprising that happened. it's not any different than what you're hearing from the foreign policy class and political advisers, it's a world view that president obama doesn't share. there's a clash of ideas here. i don't expect president bush to go on television and start trash talking the president's deal here. as you point out, very unusual for him to make remarks at all that could be passed along. i don't think it changes the nature of the debate any. >> i think the way the times

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welcome back it's time for storm cycle, again watching the south texas into louisiana, the threat for severe weather. we've already had several rounds earlier today and now the next round is just getting fired up. you can see the slight risk for severe thunderstorms includes houston and dallas and new orleans, over 14 million people at risk on this monday. take a look at the radar picture. we have this one push of severe weather moving through then we had a break. now the next round of showers and storms firing up to the north and east of houston, affecting areas north of lake charles into alexandria. this is the area we're watching

for possible develop. . we'll watch that closely. tomorrow this is your severe outlook for tuesday and everything shifts to the east a little bit. to the gulf coast, panama gulfport, mississippi, that's the slight risk tomorrow. 2.5 million people at risk. we could see the same types of storms we're seeing today. for the rest of the country, we have good news stormy across the gulf but look at the northeast. finally warming up. tomorrow will be near 70 degrees in new york city and 71 in d.c. boston warming up to the low to mid-60s, chicago cooler at 58 degrees and dry out west. tomorrow is a little teaser of what's to come by wednesday. we should be in the 70s in new york city. normally we don't get excited by 70s this time of year but after this winter we are getting excited about 70s, we'll see about 75 degrees on wednesday here in new york city. i now you're a little -- >> i'm so thrilled for that. thanks so much. this weekend hollywood stars and

politicos and media world took d.c. by storm at the annual white house correspondents dinner. see what i did there, storm, weather. host cecily strong hosted and roasted the nerd prom. >> i see so many tens well washington tens so new york fours. indiana 30s. >> and while the snl actor had good one liners it was the president who delivered the most zingers. >> the fact is i feel more loose and relaxed than ever. those joe biden shoulder massages are like magic. you should try one. oh you have? people keep pointing out how the presidency has aged me. i look so old john boehner's article invited to speak at my

funeral. today thanks to obamacare you no longer have to worry about losing your insurance if you lose your job. you're welcome, senate democrats. >> we were there for the jokes and fun and of course guys the afterparties, there's nothing quite like the white house correspondents dinner. it is funny, there's some awkward moments and everyone is dressed to the nines. this is when he's at his best the way he does comedy and timing of it. it's hard for any comedian, no matter how good they are to follow the president but the highlight this year was a guy named keenan michael keye a funny actor and he came on and plamed sort of the unhinged angry translator for president obama and said essentially, what the president would love to say about the media and what many of us in the media would love to say about each other. there's one moment where he

spoke specifically about cnn. let's take a look at that. >> we won't always sigh eye to eye. >> cnn thank you so much for the wall to wall ebola coverage for two whole weeks we were one step away from the walking dead. and then you all got up and moved onto the next -- that was awesome. by the way, just if you haven't noticed, you don't have ebola. >> this was my favorite moment of the whole evening. we did a package on this and talked to speechwriters and past comedians finding the right balance of being funny without being too disrespectful and there's the msnbc afterparty where we spoke to him and he sort of explained how that came about and just as funny. >> we did some reporting at the party. >> we're always working. >> always at work. >> i can't help it. but it was interesting to get to talk to him in that setting and talk about that evolution. this is a famous sketch from

kooe key and peele that was funny because it was pushing boundaries and many people if if you talk to people in the african-american community they talked about this with obama was running xgt we like to be a society that takes everybody on sub staps and content alone. sometimes in the workplace or public setting they feel like there are different roles, whether women can show emotion in a certain way, what kind of role an african-american man has to play and when crying is okay. these are tough issues that basically that joke spoofed the idea that president obama when he had every right to be angry never would be and translator does that. so he was talking about that and idea that went from a joke on the outside of the margins of the discourse to being so main line it could be some and president partook. >> you looked dashing, capehart you always look amazing. >> thank you very much. >> are we going to show that

clip? >> show it. >> let's show that clip. this is mine. >> your approval rating at 48%, not only that your gray hair is at 85%. your hair is so white now it can talk back to the police. >> you love that joke for a couple of things it's funny. it's very very funny. two, it's one of those things that among my relatives and black friends, that kind of joke, we've been telling for years. but the third thing and reason why i think it's especially heart warming to hear that joke and laughter. the entire nation now is in on that joke. because of everything we've been through, ferguson walter scott, freddie gray everyone. everyone now knows the context of that joke and why it's funny an horrific. >> i was away conveniently for the weekend out of the country -- >> i'm sure you're well rested and feeling great. >> i'm not only well rested but

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there was raw emotion both sadness and anger in baltimore today at the funeral for freddie gray who died of a spinal injury while in police custody. today's service followed a weekend of protests some violent that resulted in dozens of arrests. the demonstrators are demanding answers from the department which says it still isn't finished investigating. nbc's brian mooar joins us from baltimore. >> reporter: make no doubt about

it, this is a city on edge right now. to demonstrate that point, let's show you live pictures of a nearby mall. police came to this mall after there were reports of some mischief by some young kids and officers who really want to make sure nothing gets out of hand in this environment right now. it's really a sense situation where there are people across this city who really want to demonstrate and do so peacefully but they realize that there are some people who don't. as we saw over the weekend, there were thousands of people out in the street marching and few of those people did get out of hand. some set fires and broke windows and confronted police there were 35 arrests and that led the mayor of baltimore, stephanie rawlings blake to basically call on people to beg people to if they are going to protest, do so peacefully. this of course is on the day that freddie gray was laid to

rest a standing room only crowd here at the shiloh baptist church in baltimore. an uplifting message but a message focused on change. and the attorney said it is time to tear down what he called the blue wall of justice, to baseic basically make sure the police police themselves. this community believes there are police officers who were directly criminally responsible for freddie gray's death. he died after being arrested of a spinal cord injury. april 19th was the day he died and just about every day since there have been protests in the streets of this city demanding justice, demanding that police be held accountable. we do know this investigation is going on. local officials are promising these demonstrators that there will be a full enfair investigation and will be justice done here. but they say it won't come immediately and that is a troubling sign for a lot of people who really want to see

officers locked up officers held accountable right now, interesting though that that message is not coming from the gray family. fredericka gray the twin sister of 25-year-old freddie gray begged the community not to be violent -- >> brian, i want -- stay with us, i want to talk about some of what we're looking at right now. we're seeing live footage of some people moving about, a line of officers in here that was sort of disbursed and people moving about in the area. they are trying to keep order. a lot of it though as we look at the live footage of folks walking through a parking lot and we were looking at the wider aerial shot one officer scuffling with someone and another individual looks tore arrested. >> reporter: yeah, someone taken away right now. >> how that compares to the way things have gone today and are these protests today organized or a smaterring of random

citizens. >> reporter: really all we know is what we're seeing on this feed right now and what we're hearing from the local tv station, wbal said it was a group of young kids gathered at this mall that we believe was closed because they were worried about some sort of organized sort of problems today and the mall, a couple of local businesses and nearby college campus decided to just call it quits for the day. on the off chance that something does happen. and police have been given the order by the police commissioner and mayor to let people protest. but there's a clear line that the police are not letting people cross. if there's a sign of violence sign it's starting to turn bad in their estimation they are giving people the order to get out -- >> some of what we're seeing here, we're looking at footage and seeing almost in some places more officers than citizens we're looking at live footage of citizens walking in groups perhaps from what we can tell

being encouraged to give in one direction, we're seeing folks move together. can you give us a sense and some with hands raised as they walk in the street. is is that street supposed to be open or closed? and can you tell us roughly how many citizens you've seen out there today? >> reporter: that i can't tell you. by looking at -- i can tell from the church here all we've seen are people who are the mourners and family members and supporters who have been here. but there are clearly people who are sort of coalescing and the police don't want to see any kind of organized protest that turns into -- or i should say unorganized protest that turns into something that could be dangerous. you do see those large numbers of police officers trying to move people on. i do know from my police sources that there are officers who are sort of waiting off to the sides and who are hoping that nothing will happen. but are ready to respond quickly

if something does. there are officers -- >> looks like they are throwing -- brian, this is all developing right now. it looks likes these are younger folks, looks like they are throwing rocks from the street. give us a sense of the people that we're looking at right now, mainly younger, some have hands up. what is it they are saying? you've been on the ground. what are they saying and shouting? what do they want? >> reporter: we're not anywhere near that location we can only speculate what they are saying what they are doing right now. i can tell you from what i've seen of the police it does look like they are trying to move them on way. this is a standard tactic in a situation like this. these officers have what's called cd use, civil disturbance training where they actually practice getting large crowds whittled down disbursing them. this is not just maryland --

this is not just baltimore city police we're talking about here. there are police units that have been brought in around maryland and i can't tell from looking at this high up shot exactly which department they might be with but you have maryland state police here. i can tell you that some of the county -- neighboring county police departments are here. strategically located so if something does break out, they can respond quickly. and bring in other units to -- >> brian -- >> reporter: sp something escalates. >> it's jonathan capehart here. i don't know if you've gotten the same media advisory i've gotten that baltimore police have gotten what they call a credible threat that several gangs have entered into what they are saying a partnership to quote take out law enforcement officers. what can you tell us about that? >> jonathan the police say that this is based on their intelligence that the crypts and

bloods, which are just absolutely rivals and some other gangs have come together in a pact to quote, take out police on the street. police get these kind of threats from time to time. but they say this is specific and they do say this is credible. credible enough that they are warning area police departments and police departments around the country. some people here -- >> brian, we now see the cop looks like they are moving closer towards the younger and running the other direction and this is developing as we're watching it. >> putting it in the context of the funeral what you started reporting on we're seeing officers here amassing moving their line gone through the street here which is a multilane street, some of them in full riot gear with the type of protections you see with that helmets, trying to disburse the crowd. this is a day we want to remind viewers, a day in baltimore marked by the funeral and as you were saying calls from the family for a peaceful response.

>> well let me back up one second. i'm a former police reporter i can tell you what they are doing right now is typical -- a civil disturbance kind of reaction where they are trying to disburse people. they are telling people likely at this point, this is an ununlawful assembly you have to disburse and leave right now. if you don't, you'll be arrested. they usually do that a couple of times. if somebody is sort of getting more aggressive they'll go after that person or that couple of people the intent here is to disburse people not to lock people up. when you start locking people up that onliage tats the crowd. you would imagine most of these police units here have the same training. these are all trained in the same academies and used to drilling together. that's one thing going on right here. the intent of the police at this point is to move people along not to lock them up. >> how would you describe this

on the scale of other days of events and protests you've seen. how would you put this in the context? >> this is a small number of people based on what we're seeing -- we're looking through a keyhole here. this is a small number of people and police are trying to keep it from becoming a larger number of people. nothing like the demonstrations we had on saturday for instance, where there were many hundreds of people gathered and vast majority of them were protesting peacefully and when people started getting out of control, what we saw is people in the crowd grabbing people and saying don't give them an excuse back off, you're going too far. the crowd was policing itself. thsz a younger crowd from what we can tell from this bird's eye view. you can see police are sort of playing whack a mole if you will chasing them around trying to keep them from gathering, it can become a cat and mouse game. if too many people gather it can

become a flash point. >> what we can see in the footage is some people who do look very young, young teenage or student age and some people with their hands in the air moving about showing a sign of sort of peaceful movement. but we have also seen here just in the past few minutes, where we now see cars there -- we had a lot of citizens in the street which is if they are staying there sort of a violation and others we saw a handful of people from this video feed live throwing things what appeared to be rocks and other debris and throwing that at officers. just in the past few minutes, as this skirmishes have broken out, we've seen conduct on both sides peaceful and violent from these folks. >> brian, as we watch this play out, help put this in broader context. it appears the mayor of the city and political officials have tried to get out in front of this thing but it does seem like there's a relationship of real conflict between the black community and the police department. help break that down.

obviously for some of these folks it's been anger that's built up for some time. >> it's interesting, today at the service, billy murphy, the attorney for the family spoke out in favor of the mayor here. and he said that mayor stephanie rawlings-blake is one of us. she's from this community. her dad has a long history in state and local government very trusted and well known name. and he said that she is on our side but then took it a step further and said she knows what time it is. she knows what's going on here. she knows how the police are. we all know how the police are. there is this sort of us versus them but there is a sense here today that there's some people in this government who do care about getting to the bottom of what happened. a sense especially on the part of the family of giving the police and the baltimore city government the benefit of the doubt that they are going to try to do a full and fair investigation. but you go down on the street let's talk about inside the

church today. there was a projection on the wall that says black lives matter, all lives matter. just about a half mile down the street coming here i saw a sign that said, they did this to freddie gray they'll do it to you too. there's a severe disconnect on the street from the police department that believes its protecting and serving and the people on the street who believe they are being victimized. >> brian, as you're speaking we're now seeing officers walking through the street doing those disbursal moves you were telling us about. we want to bring in on the phone here u gene o'donnell, now professor at john j. college. >> i can hear you. >> what i want your perspective on, for folks who are just joining us we're looking live footage of baltimore, maryland

thgs the day of freddie gray's funeral, a day that many in the community have called on to be a symbolic and important day but peaceful day. and while at times it has been peaceful and we're careful to note we've seen peaceful protesting. we have seen folks throwing rocks and clashing and having skirmishes with officers at times unprovoked. we're looking at what appears to be someone being removed by a large group of officers from one of those scenes and other point i want your response on baltimore police department saying and we're seeing them amassing and moving -- one individuals and some folks running and carrying -- >> the other point is the baltimore police said they have a credible threat regarding an effort to take out law enforcement officers by gangs -- >> that's an injured police officer, we're looking live at police. >> it looks like removal of what may be -- it's hard to see. >> you can see -- >> looks to be the decal on the shoulder. >> your thoughts on what wur seeing here live. >> i think it's incumbent that

the police be able to protect themselves, the city of baltimore owes that to the police. we saw what happened in new york. there's a loon tick fringe out there. they have to be talked down. obviously people to protest and that needs to be respected. the police should give as much leeway when they can. but when there is law breaking arrests should be made. and generally early rather than later, once you see law breaking, it's usually not a good idea to allow that to go unchecked. >> what we're looking at again in terms of the breaking news as we make sense of it was the police removing what looked to be an individual in dark clothing, potentially an officer from the scene. and while they're doing that they're still looking to be deflecting debris and other materials being thrown at them. what is the proper procedure as things escalate, at least in this corner of baltimore that we're looking at live? >> this is tricky because we saw it in ferguson when they

brought out hardware. they said well you're militarizing the response. at the same time a riot is not a good place for officers not in gear. so they're going to have to balance that. their officers have to know -- >> eugene stay with us. i want to go back to brian, who's on the scene, as we look at what appears to be the officers trying to load an individual into one of their trucks. what can you tell us? >> what that looked like was a very defensive maneuver on the part of the officers to try to get an injured person seemingly one of their own, to safety. they took this person to the armored personnel carrier. and now you can see smoke going off. i don't know whether that's -- >> a police officer through a canister. >> a smoke screen to try to cloud what's going on so people -- i can only speculate why they would set off the smoke canister like that. whether it's tear gas, or cs gas. clearly what we saw was officers

in a very defensive position trying to get somebody into an armored personnel carrier. at one point, you saw one of the officers drop to his knee and held a shield up sort of protecting the others. but they were all in a -- literally closing ranks around each other. i wish we could get closer at this point. but we're seeing what looked like a rolling roadblock at one point. and now it's just sort of popping up in areas all around them. and it's not something that the police are going to be able to respond to at this point without bringing in reinforcements it looks like. >> we're going to bring in marquez claxton to get his perspective. we're looking at live pictures of protests in baltimore. marquez, what's your sense, if you're looking at these live pictures, of what's going on and perhaps talk to us a little bit about what might have provoked this type of protest on this day of the funeral? >> from what i'm seeing chaotic

behavior by individuals that may or may not be directly related to any of the more organized protests. i think the police have to be mindful, the world needs to be mindful that in any kind of assembly of individuals, whether it be a parade or a protest, whether it be baseless or based on something significant and substantive, that there are types of people those who are engaged in disciplined and going to according to what has been planned or organized. and then you have the criminal element, criminal opportunists and the third one is the pro provacateurs who engage in this. >> when we see smoke, what appeared to be smoke coming from what the police released what would that be? >> i'm not quite sure. not quite sure what they would be releasing at this juncture. >> and marquez, as we look at

the police moving around having loaded an individual in the vehicle, and now they're sort of holding down part of a position in the street how do they plan ahead going into night fall? as we've reported this is the day of the funeral, a tough day for many in baltimore. and here we are, 4:00 in the afternoon and seeing some of the worst interactions we've seen today. not the worst total, but the worst today. how do they prepare for night fall? >> well one thing's for sure that's going to be calling for additional resources and manpower. many of the options that are available to the police require additional manpower. it appears to me quite honestly that they might have underestimated the level of activity or potential activity on this day, but they won't underestimate it. i'm sure at this point they'll be calling in additional manpower and resources, and the possibility that you'll see similar setups that you've seen

like for example in ferguson. hopefully it won't be necessarily the same type of interaction. the manpower resource allocation will be so much similar probably to what you saw in ferguson. >> marquez, we're watching this play out. we've seen protesters both with their hands up in peace. also protesters throwing rocks, throwing things from the street. so obviously, two different ways to protest here. help us understand and break that down. as obviously they're all angry here on how they're handling this in such different ways. >> it really goes back to what i said earlier. we have to be clear and we have to really distinguish carefully between individuals who may want to come out and lawfully protest, express themselves, and grieve during this process. oftentimes what happens is it's not just the immediate family that are grieving but the community grieves for what occurred to their fellow human beings, if you will. and so you have an element,

you'll have an element that wants to express themselves in law-abiding ways and who really have perhaps even agendas. you know legal agendas involved. and then you have another element. you know criminal opportunists look for opportunities to commit crimes, whether it be crime on persons, crime on property etc. then you have that other element of individuals, who this is what they do. anarchists, if you will. >> marquez, stay with us. we have been reporting on and showing live footage of what appeared to be an officer being carried away. i want to say "the baltimore sun's" erica green who is on the scene, has posted a picture of what looks to be that same officer that we saw and showed that live footage. and "badly injured" according to "the baltimore sun's" erica

green. what more can you tell us? >> what we can tell you is that the officers have sort of fallen back. there are people milling around. it's not clear whether these are the same people who threw the rocks, bottles, bricks, whatever is allegedly being thrown at the police. but the police sort of have to quarantine this area at this point and try to move people on. and you can see that these are people who don't want to be moved on. and the police really do not want to provoke a conflict here. but as mr. marquez was saying at some point, police have to bring in reinforcements, and i can tell you that there are plenty of reinforcements around the city from other jurisdictions who are waiting for the call to come in. but really don't want to get that call. >> brian thanks so much. marquez, to you. how can law enforcement -- can law enforcement influence the pattern of protests.

can they play a role in calming a situation like this beyond just protecting themselves and protecting the population? >> who was that question for? >> it's for marquez. just wondering if law enforcement can play a role in calming the situation beyond the work they're doing. we see in the live photographs right now. >> well you have to lay the foundation for open communication early on prior to the escalation of tensions. and for example, perhaps if there had been a more open communication between city governments, the police department about some of the events behind mr. gray's death, you know that would alleviate some level of tension. but more importantly, you have to really lay the seeds of communication and openness and honesty and respect way before there are levels of tension. >> marquez we're watching the police walk back out to the streets pushing, it looks like for the most part marquez, younger folks. a younger group of people.

help us understand who these protesters are. what is the underlying anger here? just help put this in context for us. >> it really depends on you know each of the individual groups themselves. sometimes what you have during the course of these protests are splinter groups where their agenda may be one thing. another group up the block may be something el. and also the risk is that you will have kind of a combination group, where there could be slashes of anger and irrational violent behavior in the midst of a group that has a legitimate agenda and tactic but they haven't separated themselves from the agitators or the criminal element or the pro provacators. try to stem and prevent this type of assembly and disruptive.

it looks chaotic. >> marquez, thank you for being with us. we are following what has really developed over the past half an hour on the streets of baltimore. protesters on the funeral of 25-year-old freddie gray. we are going to end it here. coming up next is "now with alex wagner." we're following breaking news out of baltimore this hour where clashes involving police in riot gear and a group of juveniles have broken out outside a local mall. the mall along with other businesses downtown, is closed this afternoon out of fear of violent protests. one police officer has been injured. these new demonstrations come just hours after freddie gray the 25-year-old who died in police custody earlier this month, was buried. nbc's brian mooar is live in baltimore. brian, what can you tell us about how these demonstrations began, with the