>> the death toll is still rising in nepal, as aide workers struggle to reach the hardest hit regions. hundreds of women and girls are rescued from boko haram. and hillary clinton delivers her first major campaign policy speech calling for criminal justice reform. but first, the baltimore orioles are back in camden yards, but the fans are not. it's wednesday, april 29th, and this is "now." >> calm and order restored in baltimore. >> right now, the curfew is lifted and students are back at school. >> we have had 35 arrests. of those 35 arrests, 34 were adults and one was a juvenile. >> things are back to normal if you count as normal seeing armed police officers and national guardsmen on every corner. >> after cancelling two games in a row, the baltimore orioles will finally play this afternoon. >> it's the first time in u.s. sports history that teams will be playing to a closed empty

stadium. >> we didn't want to divert a lot of the resources for public safety to an event. >> they're still going to run the scoreboard. they're still going to play the national anthem. >> playing to an empty bark it just seems insane. >> the city may still be under a state of emergency, but the streets of baltimore are calm today. schools and businesses have reopened. cleanup efforts have resumed. a baltimore symphony held in support of the communeitycommunity. right now the baltimore orioles are holding a baseball game but it's taking place in an empty stadium. this is the first time in major league baseball history that a game has been played with no one in the stands. everything else about the game has remained the same. the scoreboard the announcer, the national anthem the seventh inning stretch. there just haven't been any fans there to see it. for many baltimore residents and orioles players, today's empty stadium is a sad sight after a week of rioting and protests.

a handful of diehard orioles fans gathered outside the gates of camden yards today. orioles outfielder adam jones told yahoo news i wish we had fans to help with the healing. sports brings people together. joining me now, a sports reporter who was just at that game, steve davis. thanks for joining me. i know the score has the o's up by six runs. but clearly there's been no cheering in the stadium. how has baltimore reacted to the decision to have this in an empty stadium? >> hi alex. they'd like to be here, but considering what happened last saturday when we had near riotous conditions down here i think there's an understanding from the fans here that you don't necessarily want the resources sent down here along with the idea that this could become a target area.

>> i guess there's also the question of why not just cancel the game. you know sports. how hard is it to cancel a major league baseball game? >> well, i think the hard part might not be to cancel it, as we've seen the last couple days. the hard part is to reschedule it. they're not scheduled to play again here at camden yard. the white sox on a day off are already coming back here in may to play a double-header. so to ask them to come back another time because there's no room in the schedule for them to sneak in three times. the two teams only have three other common days off the rest of the year. the white sox would have to fly in and fly out. it just isn't realistic to ask them to come here twice. >> what's the impact of this on the baltimore economy? there are businesses inside the stadium. there's the whole ticket refund or anything that happened with the canceled games. tell us about the o's and how much they are an economic lever in the city of baltimore.

>> they're going to lose revenue, no doubt about it. it is a weekday series in april, so you're not talking about having 40,000 fans like you would on a weekend. but the owner could absorb that. the issue really is for all those people that have their livelihood dictated by how much money they make here don't forget, there's people that come down here this is their second job. they come down here 81 times a year to sell beer or hot dogs or work security, or be an usher. now whether it's $100, $187 whatever it might be. those people will never recoup that money. never mind the businesses around here, the bartenders the waiters. these people need this money. now you're talk about four games where people haven't had an opportunity to earn that money. it's significant for people. >> thanks for your time and thanks for the update. >> sure.

joining me now is msnbc's national reporter tremaine lee. you just heard from steve davis. he seemed to think it was not so much of a contentious issue that the orioles' ownership and the head of their sports franchise decided to play the game in an empty stadium. optically, it is not a great visual. what does the community think of this? >> reporter: it kind of looks silly playing a became game in front of no fans at all. but when you talk to protesters, they're more concerned about black people being killed by the police and black people dying by the police. they're less concerned about the broader financial impact of the baseball game. so what matters to them is you know still answers. talking about a young man who had his voicebox crushed and his spine snapped. the other stuff is superficial to them. >> i guess my point isn't just about the lost revenue but as

"the new yorker" points out, to people already infur rateiatednfuriated, this is an additional insult. because they could scarcely imagine the police deeming their own communities as worthy of protecting that way. that the interest around the corporate franchise is greater than that of the baltimore community in some neighborhoods. >> exactly. they're so concerned about the disruption and safety of their fans while their state section violence being perpetrated on people within the community. you're exactly right. i haven't heard the anger that people have said about it. it reinforces the status quo that people have been concerned about for so long. >> i want to ask you about how some of this violence got kicked up. i don't mean the police violence. i mean the burning of stores and the looting, etc. the second wave of violence if you will. mother jones is reporting that

according to eyewitnesss near the mondawmin mall police were stopping buses and forcing rioters, including students who were trying to get home, police were forcing them to disembark. have you heard any clarification or cloborroboration as for as the veracity of that? >> reporter: i haven't had it officially confirmed or verified at all, but from a number of people who say they witnessed this, and if you look on social media, they'll say the same thing. that there was kind of this combination of things. information about the so-called purge, telling folks to come on out because we're going to purge after school. you also have reports of the buses not taking young people home. so you have thousands and scores of young people who just got out of school now with nowhere to go. and so they're cloistered off. and apparently the police show up and enforce them into a corner, so to say, and then the rocks start flying, and then we know that later on other people adults apparently have joined in with the juveniles in the unrest. and so clearly, it's kind of a

combination of things. but we have heard time and again that the bus issue was central to this. the kids couldn't get home so you left them out there after school, you know crowds of them, and then what kicked off was kicked off. >> what also about the credible threat that police were reporting, that the bloods and the crips two rival gangs, were joining together on monday afternoon to take down the police. have you gotten any further information about how credible that >> reporter: from what i've heard was it came from a police source who offered credible information to the police in the past. when you talk to people on the ground, they say indeed there is a truce between rival factions here because for them there's something much bigger than whatever beeves they have. it's about freddie gray. it's about the police violence on black folks. but the next step of staying that they're going to join together in some sort of united war, united front against the

police, that is yet to be verified. we haven't seen anything at least on the ground suggesting that there are these crews joining forces to attack the police. we haven't seen that. but indeed there does seem to be some unity among groups that in the past had enjoyed some beef between each other. >> tremaine, one more question. we're hearing chants behind you. we don't have a great visual of what's happening. in terms of volatility, do you think that this chapter, if we can say it began on saturday and reached its zenith on monday night, do you think that this chapter of violence and unsettled baefr around the death of freddie gray, do you think that chapter is live at this point? >> reporter: we're live. >> go ahead, tremaine. >> reporter: it's all good. a lot going on here, clearly. i wanted to say that not much unlike other days you see that there are some people gathered. you have someone on a speaker telling people to you know

stop the violence and unite against -- not only against the authorities pushing against them in certain ways but to educate your children come together as one. around the corner earlier, there was gospel music playing. but still, this is always the calm before the storm. if police come out in force tonight and want to enforce this curfew, what does that mean for the many people that will be out here? last night while the police were assembled, they didn't necessarily confront the people out here. you see this men right here has his children out. it's still kind of early in the day. you had the music playing. families out here young and old together. again, i found these on the ground. these are pins for smoke bombs. this is an indication for what was happening when the police were pepper spraying and gas into the crowds. so right now, it's a feeling of people coming together pushing, but when night falls and the curfew approaches what will the police do to enforce this

curfew? so again, it's early now, but as of right now, it's not very volatile at all. it's just very busy. >> msnbc's tremaine lee. thank you for that live update. i want to bring in now actor sonya son who starred in "the wire" and serving at risk youth in baltimore. sonya, this has been a moment where the brilliance and the pain that "the wire" brought into american television and american living rooms across the country really comes to the fore. i would like to know as an actor that worked and shot in baltimore, what was that like for you? and how different is the scene that we're seeing play out now different than what you saw when you were in the series? >> well working and shooting in baltimore was a bit disconcerting, to say the least. i think a lot of us had come from other cities.

and we experienced the despair in the communities that we were shooting in. but at the same time, in those communities are families, people who care about their communities. i think the despair was more connected to having their needs ignored by city government. and, of course that can go up the food chain in a number of different ways. i think what we're seeing now -- and let me just be clear. i wasn't born and raised in baltimore. the organization that i ran for five years in baltimore worked with four million incarcerated youth, and it was through that work that i felt i really got a chance to get to know the people of baltimore. and to see what they're made of. and the people there the ones that i worked with in those communities want safe communities. they want good schools.

they want a better way of life. they want living wage. they want better job opportunities. i think what we saw two nights ago was a result of those needs being ignored by the leaders there. and i think what we're seeing now is we're seeing the spirit of the community. the people in those communities. and we're seeing the best of them and where they can reach from given an opportunity. i'd like to see this go in that direction. i love what i'm seeing on the streets, but i'm hoping that the city leadership listens to the cries for help, which in essence, the violence was, in my opinion. and give the people of baltimore what they deserve. the quality of life that they deserve. >> you played a cop on "the wire." >> yes i did. >> i wonder how did that change your frame of reference, as you

process the events that are unfolding in baltimore. >> yeah. you know, i had a very very -- i had a deeply challenging experience playing a cop. i mean, i grew up not in baltimore, but i grew up in, you know, a marginalized community in virginia. and we did not -- you know our relationship with the cops and historically i think black americans in this country, their relationships, you know -- relationship with the cops has always been tenuous at best. and to step into those shoes, i had to do ride-alongs with baltimore city police. and it was in those ride-alongs that i got an opportunity to sort of see the people behind the uniform. and i can't say that all police are like the ones that i did ride-alongs with. i befriended a beautiful

commanding officer in the baltimore city police department who's now lieutenant colonel there, lieutenant colonel melvin russell. he helped my organization when it was based in baltimore all those years. and he was real community police as we would say. and he was always engaged. he made sure that his officers, his unit -- he was in charge of his unit. he was like the sheriff of his district. and he made sure that the police officers in his district who were walking the streets, who were patrolling the streets, understood the culture of the people. and he did that to the best of his ability. let's be clear. >> yeah. >> folks act of their own volition. and i learned a lot about the police department at that time. and i learned a lot from the young people that were coming through our program. young people who had committed juvenile offenses, but were turning their lives around and really working hard to do that. and in the midst of all of that that go and get their geds with kids in tow, looking for jobs.

>> indeed. >> they have narcotics officers just slamming them upside the wall for nothing. >> and we are going to talk more about that. unfortunately, we've got to leave it there. we're going to talk more about the war on drugs and how community policing is changed in the aftermath of that. sonja sohn actor, activist, thank you for your time. >> all right, thank you. >> we'll have more after the break. boys? stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. just one reason volkswagen is the #1 selling diesel car brand in america.

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more than four days after the devastating earthquake hit nepal, tensions are on the rise. with hundreds of nepalese protested today outside the country's parliament in the capital city of katmandu. landslides have made helicopter access almost impossible, forcing soldiers to make their way on foot. in the village of leprac 1,600

of the 1,700 homes in the village have been flattened. but amid the devastation, there are signs of hope. this nepalese man was rescued tuesday after being stuck under a collapsed building for over 80 hours with three dead bodies and nothing to eat or drink. in katmandu vendors have begun to return to the streets, and on mount everest, nbc news captured these exclusive images of the peak's base camp. officials believe they have rescued all the climbers from the cliff's upper reaches, but many are still stuck at base camp, 17,000 feet above sea level, and a one to two-week trek from major towns. joining me now from katmandu nepal, how long is it estimated until climbers can leave base camp or get evacuated out of base camp? >> reporter: hi, alex. it's already started, really.

a lot of climbers have decided to take the dignified approach and they climbed up. injured climbers have already been evacuated really but a lot of people have this option of paying for their chopper ride down as well. but there's still hundreds of people out there. most of the injured have been evaced. but a lot of people are climbing down, and the climb is anywhere from three to five days. >> what about the aid situation? we know a lot of these villages are really hard to access, even in god timeod times. what about accessibility in remote parts of nepal? >> reporter: well, that's the real story. out in the weshtern districts, bitterness is beginning to set in. the number of casualties -- we're not close to estimating it.

the prime minister says even though the officially the figures are 5,000 dead most of them in the rural areas, the death toll could go up to maybe 10,000. that would make the 1934 earthquake, which was back almost a century ago that would beat that terrible record of that death toll, if that sessment is correct. and getting aid out to those people, getting those numbers in from those regions is getting increasingly complicated. and the weather, alex is disruptive. it's not helping. especially -- we've talked to the military here. we've talked to helicopter pilots. they can't land those birds down there and help those people out. and out of that is coming a bitterness. and people -- we've heard reports about people in the western districts essentially blockading these military truck, which are supplying these relief goods, blockading them and even looting them. that's the sort of bitterness

and disorganization which is setting if right now in those areas. >> in a country it must be said where the political situation has been far from stable for a very long time. nbc's waj kahn. thanks for the update. you can visit our website to learn how you can help those affected by the earthquake in nepal. coming up, baltimore's mayor is dialing back her use of the word "thug." but the white house is not. we will discuss why some are saying the t word has replaced the "n" word. just ahead.

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through the city to city hall. we are asking that they remain peaceful, as we all of the groups that we've seen with all of the gatherings that we've seen the marches that we've seen. we'll evaluate our response and how we handle those on a case by case individual basis, so long as people remain peaceful in their expression. we continue to support everyone's first amendment rights and their ability to voice concern. as of this afternoon, we don't have any new arrests. we have not had any major or significant incidents connected to the demonstrations throughout the city. and we continue to have officers spread throughout the city able to respond to any incident should that arise. finally, i want to clear up some confusion. there is this -- there's a lot of conversation about the report that is supposed to be issued. there is not a report. and we want to be clear here. there is not a report that is going to be issued. what we are going to do which

is unique is turn over all of our findings all of our investigative efforts to the state's attorney's office. those findings -- we have an obligation to be accountable to the people of baltimore in this investigation. we know that there are a lot of people who have answers who have concerns that they want addressed. we have an obligation to do our best to be accountable. we cannot release all of the information from this investigation to the public because if there is a decision to charge in any event by the state's attorney's office the integrity of that investigation has to be protected. so by turning our findings over to the state's attorney's office as quickly as we can, we are being accountable to them so that we can be accountable to the public. i hope that answers and clears up any concerns or confusions about that report. we just wanted to be clear, we continue to see reports of that and we wanted to address any confusion that might be there. i'll take a few questions.

[ inaudible question ] our hope ask to be able to provide as many updates as we can. whatever new information that we might be able to share, our hope is to continue to be able to do that. we will clearly continue to brief what we have done what you have seen us do from the beginning is update as often and as much as possible whenever we are able to do so. and that is exactly what we will continue to do. [ inaudible question ] >> we are incredibly thankful to our partners, the national guard, everyone that's come into the city to help us as we move through these days. those resources have enabled us to be able to have a presence throughout the city, to respond to situations and emergencies. we're also dealing with normal calls for service, normal things that we see in the city. those are being investigated by our detectives. those are being handled in the same way that we would handle

any of crimes that occur in the city. anyone else? okay we'll continue to brief every hour hour and a half. we'll see you all in a little bit. thank you all very much. >> that was baltimore's police department spokesman providing an update on the situation in baltimore, where the streets have remained peaceful today. joining me now is msnbc's national correspondent joy reid. if there's a takeaway from that it seems to be that the report that a lot of us were expecting is not going to be a report, per se but the police department is going to transfer its findings to the state investigators office is that what you were hearing? >> yeah. and that is what we do understand now. and that is not what i have to say, quite frankly, alex any of us have understood up until now whether it was just maybe characterized maybe not accurately before. i think there's an anticipation not just among journalists here in baltimore, but really among citizens that friday was an important day when there would

be information about what happened during the arrest and the reason for the arrest. all of that basic information regarding freddie gray. now, i will tell you, turning information over to the state investigative authority, the state prosecutor is another way of saying there won't be any public release. it's very rare for state prosecutors who are in the midst of an investigation, any more than federal prosecutors, to release information to the public. so that means we now no longer have a reasonable expectation that will see the autopsy, that will see the full police report that will really get any new information on friday. and, of course that comes, as the press conference was just saying, there are at least two rallies that are planned this weekend, including a big one on sunday, at which now one of the talking points will be the police department now has a reason not to say anything more about freddie gray because they're turning it over to the state. >> yeah and i'm sure there's going to be a lot of consternation. there already is about the lack of information regarding how freddie gray died. this is sure to exacerbate that. we're going to take a quick

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too many people have spent generations building up this city. for it to be destroyed by thugs. >> usage of the word thug spiked on monday, appearing in roughly 50,000 tweets. today, baltimore's mayor apologized for using the term attributing her use of it to "frustration." it has this week led to re-examination of the origins of the word thug and the debate over its racial connotations. >> isn't it the right word? >> no of course it's not the right word to call our children thugs. no. we don't -- >> how does that justify what they did? i mean, that's a sense of right and wrong. they know it's wrong to steal and burn down a cvs and an old person's home. i mean come on. >> come on? so calling them thugs -- just

call them [ bleep ]. >> the word thug last received as much attention when it was used to describe the seahawks' richard sherman following his brash postgame interview ahead of last year's super bowl. >> the only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it's the accepted way of calling somebody the "n" word nowadays. it's like everybody else says the "n" word and they say thug, it's like oh, that's fine. it's disappointing because they know. what's the definition of a thug really? >> and so it was perhaps surprising to see president obama yesterday settling on thug as his chosen term. >> got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of protesters -- a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place. >> asked at today's press briefing if the president would like to revise his earlier choice, the white house declined. >> no i don't think the president would in any way revise the remarks that he shared with all of you in the rose garden.

whether it's arson or the looting of a liquor store, those were thuggish acts. >> joining me now is britney cooper and ari berman. so before we get to the discussion stephanie rawlings blake, the mayor of baltimore apologized for the use of the word "thug." let's take a listen to what she said. >> i would like to say i'm a perfect individual i'll be perfect next year, maybe. i clearly made a mistake. i should not have characterized people's kids as thugs. i'm sure you understand how intense and what a pressure cooker this week has been. and, you know like i said i certainly regret saying it. >> okay, so the sense of contrition is quite clear, right? and stephanie rawlings blake has had a very difficult week. to the use of the word itself, i think there are folks like cnn's

aaron erinbrunette who don't understand why it's offensive. >> for instance no one is calling the police who put this kid in the van and snapped his spine and crushed his voicebox thugs. they're only applying it to acts of violence against property. in short, acts of harassment acts of anger. but when are we going to have a language to talk about the systemic violence that white folks do in the name of anti-blackness and white supremacy. we don't have a language for that. this becomes a way for both white people in the media who are unsympathetic and also the respectable middle class or upper class black people who are saying we want to maintain law and order. we want to maintain a distinction between us the criminals, the thugs, the lower elements of black people. we don't want to be associated with them. >> and derek clipton says by and large thug is used to describe black perpetrators of violence

very rarely white. if the word thug were all forms of violent action that would be one thing, but it has become reserved for black people regardless of whether or not they are engaged in criminal activity or if you're richard sherman, celebrating advancing to the super bowl. >> absolutely. and in this context, it's been used to delegitimize the actions of many because of the actions of few. it's been a peaceful, non-violent movement. by making it seem like you're trying to delegitimize a movement. the second thing i would say is that there's a lot of echoes between the 1960s and today in terms of the you look at the current commissioner in the '906 '906 -- 1960s, and instead of trying to understand you are been poverty and do something about it we heard the language of law and order, of states

rights. so what we've seen is a 40-year disinvestment in these communities because of how we've characterized these elements. making everything seem dangerous and thuggish instead of trying to fix the problem. >> britney, you bring up this point in your writing that it is so much a black/white issue. barack obama is half black, half white, but is identified as a black president and they're using the word thug. stephanie rawlings blake has apologized. the president seems, if we're to believe the white house press secretary, defiantly sort of doubling down on this is how i describe looters and people who perpetrate violence. so what is that conversation in the black community? >> sure. it's a conversation about what we call respectability politics or this idea that the way black people make the case that they are citizens and should be treated with respect is never doing anything wrong to be buttoned down to be educated to always be articulate. to never express any kind of rage about the injustices that they face to just go to work

every day, and then trust the system. so for me i don't like the narrative that says that this is about the violent actions of a few. my question is where are folks supposed to put these decades and decades of rage after being mistreated by people who were sworn to protect them. the police officers have a higher responsibility to protect people in our communities because they have state power backing their right to use lethal force. >> and weapons. >> that's right. exactly. >> it should be noted, just so people know what they're looking at here, that is a live feed of the peaceful protest hang in baltimore around the area of johns hopkins. >> right. but this idea that we're lauding peace, but we're not asking police officers who are also called peace offericers, why they don't deescalate situations. but we expect citizens to deal with harassment and keep the peace and to never act out. i'm not saying that violence is always productive, but i am saying i do respect black people as human beings and part of what that means is understanding that rage is a legitimate response to

being mistreated repeatedly by people in power. >> i guess a worry that -- and maybe this segment is guilty of it. when we get fixated on the word we sort of become this society that deals innd not change. so we stop calling people of color colored, and stop calling surn -- certain areas urban instead of black neighborhoods, but we never get to the root of the problem, which is institutional bias and systemic failure for people in this country. >> but the language does matter. if you're talking about thugs, if you're talking about states' rights "law & order," you're not going to get to any solution. right now we're misdiagnosing this. we're focusing on the arson and not what caused it. and that's the problem with the media's coverage of baltimore. that's the problem with the media's coverage of virtually everything these days. >> and also politicians. i mean the outrage. and you point this out.

loretta lynch, her first public statement is i condemn the senseless acts of violence by some in baltimore that have resulted in harm to law enforcement officers destruction of property and a shattering of peace in baltimore. it would have been nice if she had mentioned freddie gray. >> i'm just waiting on a statement that says look, we condemn a system in which people can't have trust because young men enter vans and leave with broken spines and crushed voiceboxes. so we see our role as people that are denizens of state power, restoring people's faith and confidence by making sure that we're acting in a way that is transparent and accountable, and just and humane fundamentally, and we hold ourselves to that standard. if we had folks with that rhetoric, people wouldn't necessarily be in the streets as much because they would say you get the problem, you're foregrounding the problem. but foregrounding, they are reacting to something that actually happened, and that's the killing of freddie gray by the police. and unless we can talk about that, then people are going to stay in the streets and they

should. maybe they shouldn't loot everything. but frankly -- >> i think they definitely shouldn't. because it's against the law. and also because it undermines the broader goal here. >> the problem is that we keep on trying to tell people what is a reasonable response to injustice. so look, we can weigh in but i want the same kind of moral outrage about the killing of this kid. >> two states of emergency. >> that's right. >> brine cooper and ari berman thank you so much for your time and thoughts. coming up hillary clinton says america must confront the hard truths about race and justice. but will it require her to confront some hard truths about her husband's presidency? that's next. but first, mary thompson has a cnbc market wrap. >> we had a down day on wall street. weak reading on gdp. the nasdaq down 32. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. u are so out of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. and now with... ...twice as much vitamin

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political spectrum as cory booker and rand paul and dick durbin and mike leigh are reaching across the aisle. it is rare to see democrats and republicans agree on anything today. but we're beginning to agree on this. we need to restore balance to our criminal justice system. >> that was hillary clinton today giving a shoutout to kentucky senator rand paul during a major speech on criminal justice reform. senator paul responded with a statement that was more of a slap. today, hillary clinton proposed various criminal justice reform ideas in an attempt to undo some of bill clinton's work the same work she cheerfully supported as first lady. paul extensively quotes a salon article this month entitled the clinton dynasty's horrific legacy: how tough on crime politics built the world's largest prison system. senator paul said mrs. clinton is now emulating his policies and welcomed her to the fight. if republican needling wasn't enough, clinton will soon have a brand-new challenger from the

left. independent senator bernie sanders of vermont is set to announce tomorrow that he will challenge hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. joining me now is josh green, and former rnc chair michael steele. so josh, this is going to be a question that i think comes up a lot as we go toward november 2016. but how much should hillary clinton be held accountable for the policies enacted by bill clinton, and do you think the campaign has a good answer for that at this point? >> well i mean i think she needs to be held to a certain kind of account. she had a big role in the clinton administration. if you remember she was sort of the leader on hillary care the failed health care plan. and she's been an important influence on her husband's presidency. she was never just a first lady in the traditional role. she always performed as i think one of his most important adviser. that being said i think a big problem is going to be less the role that she played than the

fact that democratic politics and the democratic coalition and democratic policies have changed so much in the 20 years since the clintons first came on the stage. it's going to be a little bit awkward, because 20 25 years ago, if you were a democrat you needed to rely on white southern voters so you had to have a tough on crime position that doesn't necessarily jibe with what liberal voters want in the day and age of freddie gray's death and riots in baltimore. >> yeah i mean and beyond just liberal voters chairman steele there's the question of whether the war on drugs was good policy. i mean rand paul is i think leading on the republican side the conservative side. but you have two democrats, hillary clinton and martin o'malley, who some folks in baltimore, including david simon, the creator of "the wire" blame for creating an atmosphere that led to sort of police impunity and brutality.

the question is, given the changing nature of our policy and the changing assessment of that policy as far as it concerns the electorate how do you sort of make peace with sins of the past if you will? if you were one of the people -- i mean, you were lieutenant governor of maryland at a time when some of these policies were being enacted. how do you talk about that period? >> well, i saw it firsthand in the city of baltimore. i spent a lot of time visiting with and talking to young men who were entering into our juvenile justice system. and i remember very clearly, my first year speaking to a group of 100 or so african-american boys between 13 and 17 alex. there were four young ladies in that group. by the time i left office four years later, there were still 100-plus young boys and they were coming through the system faster, but there was something like 15 or 16 young women. so you could see the impact that

these disparate policies were having on the community. and so the frustration that you see now that's being played out in baltimore relates back to those policies that criminalized activity in such a way that it was an indictment almost an immediate indictment on the black community for, you know marijuana use, or other drug possessions. and the punishment -- this is where it really hit hard. the punishment was so profound and so deep that you've locked away a generation or more of young men, and so now that's all coming back home and how hillary clinton begins to talk about that, distance herself from that is going to be a real challenge for her. >> i mean i want to talk about the obstacles here josh. you have a new piece out with bloomberg about undisclosed donors and i guess that the foundation may have failed to disclose up to 1,100 political donations. i guess when we look at this

sort of narrative versus the sort of policy explanations that she's beginning to have to do which some folks will say are sort of meteor as it pertains to her potential presidency which do you think is the bigger liability in the coming months? >> you know, my guess is that it's more like what i wrote about today. i talked to one of the board members of the clinton foundation, who runs the kind of canadian wing of it and he said that, you know, as a matter of fact we have 1,100 undisclosed foreign donors despite the fact that as we all know the clinton foundation signed an agreement with the white house as a condition of hillary becoming secretary of state that said they would reveal all their donors. it turns out they haven't. and, you know this is just sort of today's clinton scandal. you know a couple days ago, they're refile-filing their taxes. a couple days before that it was something else. so i think potentially the backdrop of the campaign if we have this steady drip of revelations and minor scandals

is something that i think risks souring voters on her candidacy. maybe more so than the fact that she used to be against gay marriage, and now she's for it or something along those lines. >> chairman steele, to go back to the issue of criminal justice reform we talked about rand paul. he basically heismaned hillary clinton as she tried to reach out the olive branch. but there is the question about whether his party is ready to accept some of the reforms that have been proposed whether it's mandatory minimum sentencing whether it's looking back at the voting rights act and restoring parts of it. or body cameras. you know all three of those bills are basically sitting around and gathering dust in committee. republicans control both houses of congress. they could fast track them. is there actually the will inside the gop to create the change that rand paul is talking about? >> i hope there is. i can't say i'm doubtful. i can't say absolutely yes at this point. i hope there is because i have

not seen the indication beyond rand paul and maybe mike leigh to try to move this within the caucus itself. you're absolutely right. that's where it's going to get the traction. particularly on an issue like the voting rights act, which it's fundamental. it's basic. we've fought for that back in the 1960s. we stood with the african-american community to get that passed. and yet now we're going to walk away from it. i think these things that we'll see rand paul push out on. we'll see other candidates begin to do the same. whether or not that gravitates to legislative action with john boehner and mitch mcconnell i hope it does but that remains to be seen. i think there's some real penalty points that could be paint paid if not. >> indeed. thank you, as always guys. coming up the devastation in nepal that no one is talking about. more on that coming up next.

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rising nepal's devastating earthquake left many of the country's iconic world heritage sites in ruins. perhaps most spectacular in its destruction, the derara tower, built in 1832 which allowed sight seers to view katmandu from 200 feet up. as many as 180 are believed to have died when it collapsed. google earth images compiled by "the new york times" show the dramatic impact on katmandu's durbar square where the temple built in 1690 was levelled. around the quake zone, several of the country's most important temples are no longer places of worship, no longer a draw for tourists, but simply piles of rubble. while the quake survivors remain the top priority you necessary co, the organization that names those world heritage sites, unesco has vowed its assistance to help nepal reconstruct. that is all for now. "the ed show" is coming up. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show."

let's get to work! tonight, the latest from baltimore. >> we're trying to return to normalcy in baltimore city. >> this is a first in u.s. sports history. they'll play to a closed empty stadium, no fans allowed. >> what's the difference between players not playing and us not working? >> later, it's almost official. >> i am thinking about running for president. it is not because i wake up in the morning and say boy, i really have this burning desire to be president of the united states. plus, divided court. >> basic issues of equality and family are before the united states supreme court. >> it's very difficult for the court to say oh well we know better. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with the latest out of baltimore. peace and calm is being restored in the city follo