good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." let's get to work! tonight, the latest from baltimore. >> we're trying to return to normalcy in baltimore city. >> this is a first in u.s. sports history. they'll play to a closed empty stadium, no fans allowed. >> what's the difference between players not playing and us not working? >> later, it's almost official. >> i am thinking about running for president. it is not because i wake up in the morning and say boy, i really have this burning desire to be president of the united states. plus, divided court. >> basic issues of equality and family are before the united states supreme court. >> it's very difficult for the court to say oh well we know better. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with the latest out of baltimore. peace and calm is being restored in the city following monday

night's riots. schools have reopened and the residents are continuing to clean up. moments ago, baltimore police provided an update. >> we anticipate that there will be a group of protesters later this evening around 5:30 to 6:00 at penn station, our train station just north of where we are now. we anticipate that will be a large group that will march from what we understand right now they will march through the city to city hall. we are asking that they remain peaceful. >> we'll be plon or thing the situation closely as that protest is expected to encollude a lot of college students.include a lot of college students. police said no new arrests were made today. demonstrators are still demanding answers in the death of freddie gray. last night there were a few small confrontations between police and protesters. 35 people were arrested on tuesday night. a lot different from monday night, where 235 arrests were made.

over 3,000 national guard troops were on the streets enforcing the 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. curfew. the curfew will start again tonight at 10:00 p.m. earlier today, maryland governor larry hogan gave an update on the situation. >> businesses are open. the state government is open. we want to get people out there today, and going about their business. we think there's no question in my mind that the city is now safe. there's an overwhelming presence that we've got people protecting you all over the city. there shouldn't be any concern. but tonight we're going to still be out there to make sure we enforce the curfew and make sure we don't have any more unrest. >> and the game must go on. for some anyway. the baltimore orioles played at home today against the chicago white sox. the game was closed to the public, but it was televised. the 46,000-seat camden yards stadium was completely empty. it was the first major league baseball game played without a crowd in over 100 years.

the orioles' management made the move in an effort to keep fans safe. get your cell phones out. we want to know what you think tonight on this issue. the question is is baltimore starting to return to normal? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed. you can cast your vote. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by thomas roberts, msnbc anchor who anchored this show last night. i appreciate that. tremaine lee, msnbc national reporter. and joy reid msnbc national correspondent. great to have all of you with us tonight. thomas, this upcoming protest that is going to happen in this hour is expected to be large. it sounded at the press conference that the police were a little bit concerned. they're trying to get out in front of it. now, there's calm in the city. do you anticipate that that calm is going to continue? your thoughts. >> i think that the protesters that we saw, college level,

anyway especially if the baltimore police department is communicating they believe it's a lot of college kids. the one we saw yesterday at this intersection of pennsylvania and north were peaceful and wanted to be a part of a justice process to have their voices heard. because they are not wanting to be a part of the rioting or the distractions. they want to be a part of the justice that is seeking answers to the death of freddie gray the 25-year-old who was taken into custody on april 12th by the police and died a week later. i do think this should be an interesting progression of a protest. for those of you familiar with penn station, it's going to be on charles street which is north of the city in the inner harbor harbor, but it is a direct artery that they could march straight into the city and get to city hall and the police station pretty easily. it's also right by i-83. i-83 is the main artery of the

highway that's going to take you in and out of the city and out to baltimore county. there's a main entrance right by penn station that can get you on the highway. so it may be a little bit of havoc at 5:00 p.m. rush hour if they decide to start walking down charles street which is again, this main artery that pours people out of the city and to get on i-83 which would take those people that work in the city out to the county. but it remains to be seen exactly which direction they want to go if they're using penn station as their landmark for a rival, where they depart from to get to city hall could be anybody's guess. >> joy reid what's the conversation on the street? it seems that all of this has taken on a life of its own, almost beyond freddie gray. i understand there are a lot of people talking about hey, this is about justice, about something that happened to freddie gray and what his family has had to go through. >> reporter: yeah, we talked to a lot of young black men this

afternoon that were walking around this area near what they call the penn north intersection, which is a five-way street stop not too far from where thomas is. i think it's pretty unanimous that people thought that freddie gray was just one in many injustices that people say are inflicted on african-americans by the local police department, at least according to the people we talk to all time. people had either personal stories of having dealt with the police in a negative way or stories of people that they knew or loved. and there's also a sense i think of the bigger picture being the failure to address some of the economic injustice, the economic problems that really plague this part of baltimore. we're in west baltimore right now. but there's also the far east side of baltimore. if you walk not far from here not far from where there are, you know a subway sandwich shop, you go a little bit further down, there's a lot of abandoned buildings. a lot of buildings with windows missing, there's a lot of poverty and very visible poverty in this city.

and i think that those are some of the things that people really want to see address and want to see them addressed very soon. another thing really quickly, if i can say, ed people were really anticipating getting more information, specifically about what happened to freddie gray. i know that there's now some question and consternation about the fact that police are not going to release that information. i did just get off the phone before we came on the air with reverend ron owens, one of the local pastors here who met with about 15 different clergy who met with the mayor, with stephanie rawlings blake this afternoon at new shiloh baptist church, who was essentially saying the mayor briefed them on the process, saying there never really was supposed to be a release to the public that it's a release to the state attorney that she walked them through that process and gained their support and they're trying to play down friday as an important date. i think you'll see them trying to sell that idea to the community. i can tell you based on the people we talk to today, that is going to be a very tough sell.

ed? >> okay, that is great information. there's been quite a conversation that has broken out over the word thug. within the last hour mayor blake talked about that. here it is. >> too many people have spent generations building up this city. for it to be destrieed eded eded -- destroyed by thugs. >> what about that tremaine? do you hear a lot of conversation on the street about that? >> well certainly that's part of the broader discussion. the idea that people are described as thugs for breaking property, but that was precipitated by a police officer, or officer being perhaps involved in the death of a black man. a black man died while in custody of the police. so the idea of the characterization of these young people as thugs involved in this uprising on a day-to-day basis

is just more weight on top of their shoulders. i spoke with a young woman yesterday who was fiery and angry and used language that wouldn't be safe for television. but what she said is we're here neglected. we're here forgotten. and nobody cares about us until something bad happens and then you want to come down here with your cameras. she said people rob and steal. you mentioned the idea that is baltimore coming back to some sense of normalcy. the sad fact is for many people what is normal is terrible. almost 15 poefrs the% of the people in this city don't have a job. these are the conditions, people are growing up in these communities feeling so detached from any sense that there's anything else. here we are after the uprising with the freddie gray incident.

here we have pins from what we can see would be the smoke or pepper bombs used on this community. so people are still upset for so many reasons. the idea that there seems to be violence with no accountability. and on top of it the characterization that people are running amuck and thugs although clearly some were involved in criminal activity. it stings nonetheless. >> we've heard a lot of conversation about changing the cull which are of the police department and their tactics. changing certain things and making new provisions when it comes to law enforcement in this country. but the fact is as i see it these kids were out on the street the first night doing what they were doing because in their world, they got nothing better to do. i mean they are so down on their luck in their future and they're furious about what has unfolded obviously with the police brutality that's taken place over time. but this is about a job, isn't it? thomas roberts, isn't that the

core of the conversation, to occupy the folks that live in this city of baltimore with some hope and some income? i know there's a lot of politicians talking about it's the destruction of the family. well you know the number one cause of divorce in this country and families breaking up is financial instability. what about that? i mean this is really what is at the core of the issue, isn't it? >> i think it's part of the issue. there are separate categories that we need to look at what has made this situation a powder-keg. obviously the freddie gray situation, the tragedy of his death and the facts around it have brought all of our eyes to the city of baltimore that has brought us to investigate deeper issues in a city that has systemic problems and has for decades. i grew up just outside of the city. my dad lives in the city. i grew up in the county. but there has been an issue with problems of poverty and impoverished communities and underserved communities in

baltimore city for a long time. i did see hope yesterday. i went to freddie gray's neighborhood and i saw people not armed with bricks not armed with anger, but armed with rakes and trash bags and willing to clean up what a few bad actors had done. but you reap what you sew. unfortunately in the city of baltimore, there was a long ago planted seed for what we're seeing now. and it's a problem that needs to be addressed not only on the impoverished community level but also from the police policy level and how this community and the policing system respond to one another. >> the pictures that our audience is looking at right now is a live shot the streets of baltimore. these are high school students who are now out of school and they are marching and protesting. this is possibly part of the large march that is going to take place later on from union station, which we are told is beginning to be consisting mostly of college kids.

these are high school kids that you're looking at right now who are going through the streets of baltimore. what kind of police presence tremaine, are we going to see tonight? is it going to be equal to what is done last night as far as the national guard is concerned? >> from all accounts the city will continue to use thousands of officers from the national guard, and area police divisions in law enforcement. plan to get them on the streets tonight. they see what happened last nights as working. by and large, people adhere to the curfew. you didn't see many people out an houshmandzadeh or an hour or so after it began. they say there are still law enforcement issues here. she said there are 111 people currently in custody who don't have any charges. the police haven't filled out their probable cause documents. and that means they can't get a bail hearing until they get those documents. so their concern is what happens

tonight. if there more arrests, are they going to be stuck in there? i spoke to a retired nyfd ld lieutenant who said his daughter has been arrested. she's in a one-person cell with five other people. she doesn't know what to do. she was apparently arrested watching her boyfriend stand up from a swat team vehicle. she said she talked to him the first time today and bawling and crying. there's no information coming in or out of that place. and she's just one of perhaps 200 people that got arrested let alone the 111 who don't have any charges yet. so there's a state of play in baltimore right now. >> this is part of the police reform. they're going to take care of the paperwork if they want to haul these people downtown. stay with us. great to have you here on "the ed show" tonight. let me bring in maryland state senator katherine pugh.

what are your expectations of these protests that are starting to gear up late this afternoon and into the evening? >> thank you for the invite. i just saw a group of students who were marching past city hall very peacefully. they had stopped and they had conversations with individuals who had talked about what they're looking for in terms of justice and wanting the city to remain very peaceful and so i would expect that the city will remain peaceful. i was there in my community from 8:00 a.m. until close to about 11:00 p.m. on yesterday as the folks i think quiet lyly demonstrated and let out some of their own frustrations. i had the opportunity to talk to reporters out there and they were saying this looks more like a festival than a protest, but i believe that some of the frustrations that people are

having, they were expressing it the way they expect it. i expect there to be peace in the streets of baltimore tonight. >> a couple of issues. number one economic development. do you think the police department in baltimore has got the message, this they can't operate the way they've operated in the past and there has to be a shift in their culture? what about that? >> well obviously, there needs to be change in the shift of the culture. there needs to be more diversity in the police department, and as i think everybody has been saying all day long and all evening, and yesterday, that most of our police know how to function. but there is an issue in our community of disrespect. you know we pay our police officers to protect and serve and not to serve and attack. no one should be taken into police custody and end up dead. there's something wrong with that picture. and we've had it happen just too many times.

and so we are not only asking for cultural change we're asking for them to understand that they've got to respect our communities. i heard hillary clinton earlier today say something that i said yesterday. there needs to be a discussion around race and race relations and how we begin to work together and look at how do we create more economic development in some of these urban areas that are very depressed, and what about how do we lock at spreading the wealth measure fairly in this community and in this country and being more just in our distribution of wealth and the creation of opportunities in our communities. it's absolutely important and because one of the things i also continue to say is please don't look at the african-american community as being monolithic. everybody in our communities are people who have jobs, people who know how to create jobs and expand their businesses. they also need the opportunity to be able to do that. and i by no means, no means condone any of the activity that

was negatively taken on monday. but there were some misguided individuals and there were some opportunists who took advantage of the situation. but for the most part i think people were expressing their frustrations, but i asked baltimore to continue to be patient, as many of us have already been. for most of us it's just been too long in terms of how do we bring about justice, not just for mr. freddie gray but for all the african-american males and all of anyone, everyone who's been incarcerated who ends up being killed who ends up being treated unjustly, when police walk through your communities and don't understand how to respect them. we want justice for everyone. everyone in this country who want to serve their communities and know how to do it. >> all right, senator catherine pugh i appreciate it.

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welcome back to "the ed show." we'll continue to monitor the situation in built as more peaceful protests are under way. the unrest in the city of baltimore is more than just about freddie gray. residents of the sand town neighborhood were pushing back against the weight of poverty. the unemployment in that neighborhood was over 50% between 2008 and 2012 at the height of the recession. baltimore's industrial base has really gone through it. it has been shattered when american jobs were shipped overseas. the city has lost 100,000 manufacturing jobs between 1950 and 1995. working families were left destitute. it changed the entire community. maryland has the highest median household income in the nation. although in sandtown the income

level is below the poverty level. young people in sandtown have nowhere to turn. >> if we don't have outlets for these kids more tutors more playgrounds. like i said we -- it's like a wall. if you take an outlet out of a wall, where are you going plug anything? there's no electricity. i want to be this i want to do this. >> no electricity and no energy. how does that sound? economic conditions have failed baltimore's young men and women. over 60% of the population has no high school diploma. freddie gray's eulogy gave a broader picture. pastor jamal bryant said gray "had to feel at age 25 like the walls were closing in on him." baltimore's use needs a way to push back no question about it

and maybe this time they've got the attention of the country. joining me this evening, davon love. great to have both of you with us tonight. dr. peterson how do we reverse the hopes and dreams of a neighborhood that has been decimated by economic conditions, and no one has really said that they're going to step up and invest in the economic job training or the infrastructure that's going to be needed to turn this around. >> what's next? >> acknowledge the history, acknowledge the post-industrial conditions of a city like baltimore. secondly is to -- if we want to start to identify the resources that need to be channelled

toward communities, is to better understand that baltimore is a tale of two cities. it's a city where there's great institutions like johns hopkins university. some interesting and profitable businesses there. great neighbors like the baltimore harbor neighborhood. and we've got to figure out a way, first for corporations to make sure they're paying taxes and paying their fair share and make sure that tax base is distributed more equitably across the city. but we don't want to ultimately rely on the charity of corporations or the charity of anyone. we've got to figure out how to address these things systematically. it's got to be governments working together to rebuild educational systems rebuild communities. i'm not sure if everyone has acknowledged that first step. there are absolutely structural conditions that are the predicate for this kind of situation that we're seeing in baltimore today. >> well you know, you talk about changing law enforcement and their culture. that's just one piece of the pie. it's occupying people's times and giving them a hope and a future and some economic

stability is going to change the community as much as the police activity, as i see it. do you think a lot of young people in baltimore identify with what happened to freddie gray and still have him as the focal point of all of this? >> absolutely. i mean freddie gray represents what has been happening to many young black people and young people of color in baltimore for decades. the people in the communities most affected by police brutality, poverty, homelessness. it's only the investment in those communities that will make a difference. i think a relationship between law enforcement and black people in these neighborhoods is symbolic of the larger structure of society. there's a fundamental lack of respect for the humanity of black people. until we address the issues,

everything else is going to be a bandaid. these demonstrations represent the fact that no longer are people going to tolerate piecemeal institutions, until there's a change in the policies that give license to police brutality, then these issues are going to continue to be an issue. >> do you think the worst is over? do you think these protests have gotten the message across and they're going to remain peaceful? how critical do you think it is that that's the way it unfolds moving forward? >> unfortunately, i think the question is will we actually get justice. i think the decades long of neglect and abuse by the public policies that have been levied by failed leadership -- you know, all these things have already taken its toll. so the question that we have to be asking is, are we going to get justice. one of the refrains that i'm hearing a lot is we need to come

together and find a solution. that's important, but it's important that we understand the importance of changing the power differential. there are those that have contributed to this problem. and until we acknowledge that, all we'll get are band aid solutions that reproduce what we're seeing over the past few days. >> i don't want to get too critical of elected officials and people of authority in the city of baltimore. but yesterday on a lot of coverage, there were people saying that this isn't our city that this doesn't represent baltimore. well what does? if you've got high unemployment if you've got low economic development taking place, and you've got people who have a lot of time on their hands, then what is the city? i mean i think that there was a little bit of denial going on yesterday, james peterson. i mean that was baltimore we were looking at and it was

frustrated americans who don't feel like the wind is at their back for a better future. so the question is what are we going to do about it as a country? i also think there's a lot of baltimores across this country. >> exactly. >> and i think there's a fundamental issue. i think there's a real fundamental issue that has to be addressed as a country or we're going to have more baltimores. and that's what i think is so potentially damaging right here. your thoughts on that dr. peterson. >> you're exactly right. politicians are doing what politicians have to do which is manage the situation and direct their rhetoric towards the million of that situation. maybe we can quibble with the words they use, but your point is much more important, which is not only is baltimore baltimore, ed. baltimore is america, it is a city that is municipally indicative of the income gaps the extreme wealth disparities across this nation. so addressing those things at the federal and national level is just as important as addressing them directly and structurally in the city of

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>> we spoke to three rescue pilots. all of them have told us they do not believe there are any climbers still trapped or stranded on mount everest, this most have made their way down to the base camp the place where we visited today, and are making their way off the island, off the base camp or they have already been evacuated. the base camp is where the main avalanche occurred and when we were able to visit it today, we got a real sense of what happened. on saturday, around noon when the earthquake struck a large piece of ice and snow and rock broke off of a mountain overlooking base camp. it fell with incredible speed. that avalanche swept through the middle section of the base camp taking away tents, sending some climbers hundreds of feet in the air. it also wiped out the only medical facility on the base

camp killing at least 15, maybe 17 people, maybe more. they haven't been able to go through all of the snow banks, and there is still some efforts under way to locate the remains of climbers or sherpas in the area to assist them. we did see some bodies coming out. there was one body marked in a body bag, it said unknown body. so clearly the identification process must go on. but it was really only when we were there today that we actually understood what happened. how this long base camp which is at 17,600 feet was cut in half by a falling glacier. >> richard engel reporting tonight for nbc news. families are desperate for information about their loved ones. there are some americans among the people still unaccounted for. caroline helmand's sister was there when the quake hit. kathleen and her husband kevin and two of their friends have

been rescued. they were about to begin a month-long climbing trek before the quake hit. certainly congratulations is in order. this must have been a very gut-wrenching time for you and your family. tell us about it. >> we didn't know if they were alive for two days, which a lot of families are going through right now and i feel for them. they were trapped above an avalanche in the rural reof londong, which is closer to the epicenter. a lot of the rural areas simply didn't have communication, so they were overlooked in the first rescue efforts. so we waited with a lot of families to find out about the well-being of our loved ones and thankfully we're lucky.

we're really lucky. >> i understand within the past 24 hours, you have spoken with your sister. tell us about that conversation. what did she go through? >> the first day after the rubble covered the city, people were climbing out of the rubble and of their crew bridget and martinez is a registered nurse. she was the only medical personnel in a town of about 300 people. they were doing their best to patch them up. but they didn't have medical supplies and the temperature was dropping and they ran out of food. so we were very thankful when they were picked up along with villagers and sherpas, some guides, and taken to an army base. >> this is something she will never forget. and of course those people that she was helping, they're lucky that there was a nurse on scene.

did she describe in any way what the coming days are going to be like? >> well we're not out of the woods yet. we haven't heard from her for seven hours. they're still in a rural area. they just had another earthquake, a 4.5. we hear word of mudslides and roads being wiped out. so we're a long ways off from being safe but we're just so happy that she got rescued from above the avalanche. >> our prayers are with you. all the best to you and your family. thanks so much for joining us tonight. we'll have an update from our reporters in baltimore right after this as the marches continue. stay tuned. we're right back on "the ed show. iver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us since we're going to be here anyway it's kind of a no brainer hey. i'm ted and this is rudy. say "hi" rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] i'd do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. that's why i'm so excited about these milk-bone brushing chews. whoa i'm not the

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in baltimore. you're looking live at marches that are unfolding in the city. peaceful to this point, and that is the expectation. officers today said this has been a much different day. the crowds have been very calm and there are two marches that are unfolding today. one is going to start forming at penn station, which we are told is beginning to be made up of mostly college students. high school students have been marching in the streets peacefully. let's go live now to toure, who was in the crowd. the demeanor. what are you hearing, what are they saying tonight? >> ed right now they're saying no justice, no peace, and black lives matter. this is a fairly large crowd of college students mostly. though some folks a little older. some folks a little younger. it's a very peaceful vibe. they've already spoken to the cops about there won't be any problems. all night, all day, we will fight for freddie gray.

there's a lot of passion and enthusiasm here. a very interesting crowd. about 500 people here mostly women, a lot of freshmen and sophomores. a lot of that youthful enthusiasm. folks are extremely passionate out here. they are filled with energy and wanting to be out here. it's about a two-mile march that they're going to do today. it's going to be a while that they're marching from penn station over to city hall ed. back to you. >> that is one of the marches that is happening at this moment in baltimore. for more let's go to joy reid and also de'von love with us tonight. joy, how important is it for these protests to come off peaceful to really make the statement that needs to be made? your thoughts. >> ed i have to say, i think if you talk the people in particularly west baltimore,

east baltimore, these communities, they repeatedly make the point that whenever these marches happen even the initial marches, they are peaceful. that is the intent. these are peaceful marchers. a fact that a small number of people broke away and decided to use the opportunity, as people have been using the word opportunists a lot. but people that also have their own struggles and reasons and pathologies for why they wanted to target let's say a cvs or target, the check cashing store. whatever the endemic problems that are happening that caused maybe 100 out of 10,000 people to behave badly, i think that there really is a fair amount of anger at us at the media for characterizing every subsequent march, every subsequent part of this movement, which is not just here in baltimore, but which is national. and the fact that the media's first instinct is to then question every subsequent march for violent intent. i think it's part of the problem. and people here have been reporting that over and over. we have a mixed reaction. people who love msnbc, and love

to talk to us and are happy wii we're here. but we have people saying tell the honest story. there are deep seeded problems here of poverty. you don't throw rocks at the police if you like and trust the police. police who are in the neighborhood and know people and are part of the neighborhood don't have to walk around in body armor. they know people. they have a relationship. there's a sense that the police are almost sort of an alien force here. they don't live in baltimore. in many cases they live over the state line. they live outside the community. so what i've been hearing people say -- and we talked to a lot of young black men -- is fix the problems. the poverty, the joblessness, and get police to treat people with respect. don't worry about the marches, the marches are intended to be peaceful. always were intended to be. black lives matter movement is nothing but peaceful marches. >> thank you, joy. de'von love what's the first thing that has to happen? i mean obviously jobs aren't going to take place overnight. it probably starts with law enforcement, doesn't it? >> yeah. i mean so i think there needs

to be systemic changes to the institution of law enforcement as it exists. part of the problem in baltimore is that in the state of maryland, we have the law enforcement officer bill of rights. what it does is it undermines the ability for communities to have a substantive and formal method of redress when police abuse us. and so for instance only sworn law enforcement can investigate other law enforcement in an allegation of excessive force. or to determine disciplinary action on police officers made up of just police officers. those are the examples of institutional changes that need to be made. that was part of the problem with the information about freddie gray. when the mayor said a few days ago that she didn't know all the details, she wasn't lying. that's part of the problem with the law enforcement officer bill of rights, that it undermines the ability to hold them accountable. that's the first step. i think the next part and i think this part is the most substantive, we have to address the power deferential.

there are a lot of people that hustle on the miseries of poor people and black people in general. our city has a veneer of looking like it cares about black people and the citizens but it doesn't provide resources to those who are most directly affected by issues of racism white supremacy and all the different ills that it causes. so until we're able to have all this leadership that will invest directly in the hands of those who are in the communities, who are build up their own institutions, to protect their own interests, we're going to continue to have this problem. this is why the power differential is so important and this is why we have to address the leadership of the city. >> de'von love with us live in baltimore, and you're looking at live pictures here on msnbc, as the march is taking place in baltimore. some 500 mostly college students marching from penn station. our coverage continues here on msnbc. we've got more coming up on "the ed show. stay with us.

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and finally tonight, welcome back to "the ed show." we're following the march taking place in baltimore. let's go back to tremaine lee, msnbc national reporter who is in the march tonight. tremaine, describe the crowd. they seem to be pretty enthusiastic. >> i'll tell you what ed there are several hundred people out here now. we're marching down st. paul street from penn station to city hall. now this is a huge vibrant crowd. you see it's very diverse. high school students college

students. i spoke to one march e. she said she was here because she wasn't into police brutality. be you hear "all night, all day we'll fight for freddie gray." there are signs, black lives matter. you hear the crowd. they're just getting started. that's where national guard had set up a little perimeter right in front of city hall. we'll see how large this crowd swells, and then see the response from the national guard and police. but so far it's been peaceful vibrant, exuberant. but i think they're just getting started. above the sound of the chants you can still hear the whir of police helicopters. they've been trailing the marchers the entire time. so we're not terribly far from city hall now. but as you can tell, the excitement is still building. >> is there a big police presence? i don't see many police officers going along with the protesters. what about that? >> ed i'll tell you what. so we began the march right at

penn station. and you can see a line of police cars on either side of the street, and some police officers milling about. i don't see a single police officer along the route, and i haven't the entire time. but one thing i did see when i first got to penn station, there were two cadres of officers in kind of s.w.a.t. regalia with their shields and helmets. they were going the on it is direction. again, this has ban cat and mouse game who can get ahead of the protesters and contain folks. you have to assume this is part of the strategy. especially they were aware of this march hours early. they mentioned it in their press conference. i have to assume it's part of the plan. but right now i don't see any police anywhere. >> all right. two large marches taking place in baltimore at this hour. tremaine lee reporting live for us tonight here on the "ed show" show," right in the middle of the crowd. this broadcast will originate from the nation's capitol tomorrow night. "politicsnation" with ed sharpton starts right now.

good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. we're on the breaking news from baltimore where it's halfway between the end of school and the beginning of the curfew. late today a group of students and activists gathered at baltimore's penn station with plans to head to city hall. and any minute now, we're expecting an update from maryland's governor. throughout the day the city trying to regroup at baltimore's camden yards, one of the strangest sights. the first ever major league baseball game played without anyone in the stands. fans watched from outside as their hometown orioles got a win. today president obama said he'll travel to baltimore once things have settled down. let's go to the governor. >> it's obviously important to me. the communities in balti