to grow on you. you have to grow into the city. >> all right. we're telling you go rewatch "the wire," study it this time. don't think you know baltimore. bodie and chris. in "the wire." thank you both. rachel maddow starts right now. >> excellent, my friend. well done. thanks for staying with us. under an hour away from the second night of a mandatory curfew in the city of baltimore. in one hour from now people protesting, ordinary citizens everybody not going to or from work or having a medical issue or working as press or law enforcement, everybody else will be asked and then told for a second night in a row to go home and clear the streets. law enforcement may use their discretion past 10:00 p.m. we expect they'll have a plan to

handle any large groups of people who are still out after 10:00 p.m. last night police tactics around a large group of people that was stem cell out in one community in west baltimore did lead to one confrontation between police as they sort of took that space back and protesters who wanted at least for a little while to defy that curfew. there was one confrontation at a west philly intersection last night. about ten arrests city wide at the start of the curfew last night. but ultimately last night the curfew did take effect relatively quickly and easily and the streets were quiet and empty overnight. that was night one of what is supposed to be a week-long curfew in baltimore. tonight at 10:00 p.m. we'll be heading into night two of the curfew. that said today a spokesperson for baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake said the mayor will consider ending the curfew sooner, not doing it far whole week, if she believes that circumstances warrant that. the spokesman said "the second it comes that we feel d curfew isn't needed anymore, we won't

keep the curfew in place and we won't keep the national guard here even if it doesn't last a full seven days." another new ripple is the developing protests in support of what's going on in baltimore in protest of the death of baltimore resident freddie gray while in baltimore police custody. but these solidarity protests tonight are happening across the country. this right here is minneapolis. right now you see a pretty large group of protesters blocking a significant roadway in minneapolis, minnesota. earlier tonight the largest protest for a while was in new york city. this is union square tonight in manhattan. earlier on in this evening, protests turned confrontational and law enforcement started arresting people. police had handed out flyers to protesters saying they would arrest people if they stood in the street or if they blocked traffic even pedestrian traffic.

some of that was heated. we don't know how many arrests there were in downtown manhattan tonight but we are monitoring the situation on the ground in new york. we'll have a live report in just a moment. significant rallies and marches in boston massachusetts, about 500 people turned out. washington, d.c. only about 40 mile ace way from baltimore. milwaukee, wisconsin, minneapolis, expecting more than 2,000 to show up. this is the view of that protest right now. in boston as i said it was about 500 people protesting on a march throughout the city today, protesters in boston calling for a drawdown of the national guard in baltimore. in washington, d.c., a group of roughly the same number about 500 people marched from

chinatown to the white house demanding that d.c. officers who were sent to baltimore be called back home to d.c. in baltimore tonight, the law enforcement presence is big. it includes the military as well but it's roughly about 2,000 national guard troops deployed alongside baltimore police and a baltimore police contingent that has been augmented by additional police from a bunch of neighboring states and jurisdictions. now, when you think about that lots of police and even troops it can be nervous making to imagine lots of outsiders, lots of strangers to baltimore flooding this, you know, city on the edge, right? the already very tense streets of this city. it can be nervous making to imagine law enforcement officers being there when they don't know the city aren't familiar with it and when certainly none of the protesters know them. that said, even with this big presence today in baltimore of national guard troops and baltimore police and police from lots of other places honestly the day to day in baltimore was

celebratory and almost entirely peaceful today. there were big peaceful protests that moved through the city of baltimore late this afternoon and into tonight. there's a big protest that started at penn station, which is the city's main train station in baltimore, and that march went from the train station to baltimore city hall. at the corner ofd north in west baltimore where ad gathered on each dayday on that corner the libraryf as usual. a community church group set up an impromptu playground with a bounce house and at one point a hot dog stand handing out free hot dogs, a celebratory mood almost a festival-type atmosphere. baltimore schools were back in session. transit was reopened throughout the city today. the governor of maryland today announced that 200 businesses throughout baltimore do remain closed as of tonight but that baltimore is trying to get everything reopened and cleaned up.

that said protests continue over the weekend. we'll see if the calm will hold tonight as id did for the most part last night and certainly today. in total, baltimore police say the arrest count today was a total of 16 adults and two juveniles. there have been more than 200 people arrested in total over the past three days. most of them arrested on monday. one of the things we're going to be checking in with tonight is the status of all those peoplearrested, when they're getting out and how their treatment and arrests may affect the mood in the city as they get back out. there's a lot to figure out about what is going to happen in baltimore, what is going to happen nationwide in response to this freddie gray case. there's a lot to understand about what has happened already as this big american city copes with the state of emergency and the national guard in the streets after all those fires and all that looting and all that anger. but for all of the images that

we have, for all the facts that we have about the number of law enforcement officials on the ground and the number of arrests and where protesters are right now, honestly for everything that we can discern in our reporting, nobody can really tell you right now what happens next in baltimore. if you're looking for foreseeable benchmarks for when things might happen and what things might happen in this story we don't know what the benchmarks will be. for example, we were told today by police there's no time line for when the public might expect to hear updates about the police investigation into freddie gray's death. the police say they will give information to the local prosecutor about the police investigation into freddie gray's death. they'll give that information to the local prosecutor on friday but don't expect to see any of it. the public won't see any of that information. there's no reason to expect that what happens on friday will give the public any information that they do not already have about this case. we also do not yet know when the state autopsy on freddie gray's

body will be made public. in terms of the prosecutor, we don't know if or when anybody will be charged in freddie gray's death and if they are charged what they will be charged with. we don't even know when that decision will be made we don't have any advice on that subject at all. we don't know how long the national guard will be deployed in baltimore or how many more days to expect the curfew and the national guard in the streets in military humvees and desert camouflage. we can show you what's happening now but we don't know what the arc is in terms hoff how this this goes from here on out. what we know is baltimore is out there protesting in large crowds, they have done so today as a community, today and yesterday and almost without exception they did so peacefully. we know that. we know in cities like minneapolis there have been relatively large gatherings marches and rallies in solidarity of people in baltimore and in protest of

freddie gray's death today. we can show you what's happening but not what's going to happen. the curfew goes into effect in baltimore at 10:00. tremain lee is a national report we are msnbc. he walked with the big march today that started at baltimore's penn station and went to baltimore city hall. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. the protests you were part of today, with can you tell us the character of the protest and what happened when it arrived at its march destination? >> the protest was mood was different as we've seen. it was billed as a march for high school and college students. most bent toward college age, white, black, younger and older. they were excited. they were jubilant marching from penn station to city hall. when they got to city hall they kind of erupted in chants

chants they had been chanting all the way, they eel fight all night and all day for freddie gray. like you said, who knows what happens next. even though people says there seem s to be a normalcy settling back in that concerns many, that normal here in baltimore is terrible. when you look at the disparity, economic issues. you go to west baltimore and see how people are living and surviving and struggling no wonder why there's such a conflict between the police and the community. as you mentioned again, what's next, nobody knows. they seem to be pushing for some change, whatever that looks like. another thing about friday the release of information, a lot of people expected this information to give us some insight into what happened to freddie gray how his voice box was crushed, how his spine was snapped. that doesn't seem to be the case now. i talked to a couple people who said, you know what, if we don't get answers soon and this

doesn't play out, it could get worse before it gets better. to that point i want to bring in april love, a baltimore resident from here. we talked a little bit about this. i want to ask you, there's been so much turmoil in this community, especially in the last week. folks were hoping on friday we might get something, some answers. how are you feeling about the process? do you think that the authorities are acting in good faith or do you think they're trying to perhaps drag their feet? >> i feel like the process has taken too long. the system is corrupt. it's been long going. it's been decades of this. i feel it would be a major disappointment to the si of baltimore. i'm from here, born and raised. we're freddie gray. it could be any one of us. disappointing they've waited this long to sweep this murder under the rug and tell us

absolutely nothing. >> reporter: do you get the sense in the turmoil we've been in and the ashes literally in this community and young people expressing themselves in sometimes violent and destruck ways and some people that are building and these two forces in the city do you get the sense there's something important happening here in a way to move the city and the community forward? >> i definitely feel like it's a major, like, movement in the city. we definitely need it because a lot of the youth have been forgotten. you know, we vote these politicians in office and they forget about who you were in office for. you have to be for the people. come out talk to your people. talk to us. let us know you care about us. we're not sitting here doing this fornothing. some of us don't know how to express ourselves so we do it in ways that may be destructive but at the end of the day we want answers. we need accountability. accountability across the board. >> reporter: do you think people understand, people across the country, when they see images we

saw monday night a bunch of young people out, buildings burning, do you get the sense people outside of this community and outside of communities that are in similar situations really understand the sense of isolation, the hopelessness that so many young people have especially? >> i'm going to dwroil, what coming out of the high school of douglass, to come out of a high school and to see armed guards with machine guns in front of kids, that's not showing us that you care about us. it's only let megaknow you care about what is going on to help you look better. >> there we have it rachel capturing the sense of what i've been hearing all day. >> tremain lee with april love. joy reid is also out on the streets of baltimore tonight. joy, thanks for being with us. tell us what you've been seeing tonight. about 45 minutes away from the second night of curfew.

>> reporter: i could not hear your question. it's quite loud here and a motorcycle just went by. >> it was generic. where are you and what have you been seeing? >> surreal scenes here. you never get used to seeing humvees and armored tanks on the streets of an american city. when we got to pennsylvania and north, a bustling area on an ordinary day, but has this sort of extra atmosphere of things happening. i don't know if you can see it, but there's an impromptu protest going on behind us, somebody pulled up in a van that is essentially a mobile prison cell so people are out here with signs, out here making themselves heard. and there was this heavy police presence earlier in the day that then just sort of picked up and left. we saw these convoys leave, going to where these protests that tremain lee was just reporting on were. so now that night has fallen and

we're within an hour of the curfew, there are still a lot of people on the street, a lot of people still out here expressing their views about what happened. i actually met a young lady who's also named april, coincidentally enough. i want to bring her over. we were talking earlier about seeing this city in this state and so much attention on it. what do you expect to happen when the attention goes away? what is the city like when we're not here? >> i expect it to be the great city that it is. i expect our communities to pull together even more to build them up to repair what was broken to fix these policies in place that don't protect us, that don't reach out to us. we are the city. the youth is the city and the future. and hopefully all of you guys bringing attention to this issue will make those changes. >> reporter: what do you want city leaders to do differently? there's ban lot of criticism of major stephanie rawlings-blake for using the term "thug." she's had to walk back some information like the idea it was going to be some sort of release to the public on friday. that is not the case anymore.

what do you want to see city leaders do differently? >> i want them to step up and not take it as an attack on them but take it as a charge to do what you were elected to do do what you were put in place to do. make the city safe. it's already profitable. make it safe. make it thrive. use it as a chance to stop this cycle of our young men being shot down being killed being hurt by police unjustly. use it as a chance to change. >> reporter: as you can see, all of the aprils are pretty much of one accord. this reflects what we've heard all day long young men and women in this community hurting long before anyone burned the cvs, quite frankly. there are a lot of buildings with no window boarded-up window systemic poverty. you can walk one long block from where i'm standing right now and see buildings that are uninhabitable. it's hard to believe in a modern city like this with johns hopkins university just basically a stone's throw away

that there's so much hurt here. i think what we're hearing is pretty much what you've heard tonight, that people want to see the city leaders step up they want to see change they want to see justice for freddie gray and his family but they want more than that. it's become bigger than just him. back to you. >> joy, thank you very much. good to have you guys out there tonight, especially given the contrast of what we're seeing there, where joy was in that neighborhood, this time last night, we were seeing a very very, very large police presence already ahead of the start of the first night of the curfew. as joy was explaining there had been a big police presence there before. there does not seem to be now. we don't know exactly how police are planning on enforcing the curfew tonight on the second night. they were clear about how they were going to do it last night but we don't know how this is going go. a lot of people are still out on the streets. less than 45 minutes from when they are supposed to be off the streets. so we'll see. in baltimore today i think the very important point is that people are still angry about freddie gray people are still interested in protesting to show their anger about what happened with freddie gray and other

things they're dissatisfied with in the city. but 99% of the way i can say that yesterday what happened and today what happened including this big march that happened late in the afternoon and early evening tonight is very peaceful. we're not seeing a lot of arrests at all. we'll get some interesting information coming up later on this hour about what has happened to the several hundred people who were arrested on the dpairs of protests on monday that were very violent. that's all ahead and this curfew is coming about 42 .manies from now. stay with us. another big news day today. more ahead op baltimore and more on other news. i love making sunday dinners. but when my back hurt, cooking all day... forget about it. tylenol was ok, but it was 6 pills a day. but aleve is just 2 pills all day. and now, i'm back! aleve.

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we have some pretty good-sized demonstrations popping up across the country. can we drop that bug? on the bottom side of your screen you can see a pretty large crowd gathered outside the white house in washington, d.c. minneapolis, boston milwaukee, wisconsin, a number of cities around the country where there have been pretty good-sized protests. this story seems to be getting more nationalized as the days go on. we'll keep an eye on the demonstrations tonight, incluing one in new york that had some arrests earlier. ok. this role is about energy... we're looking for a luxury hybrid with the best city fuel economy rating... the lincoln mkz hybrid.

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the more you know. just under 40 minutes away from a mandatory curfew in boston. that means anybody on the streets after 10:00 p.m. without a legitimate reason is subject to arrest whether they are alone or as any sort of group. the baltimore police warned explicitly last night they would enforce that curfew and they did. they made about ten arrests. overall they med about 35 arrests during the curfew overnight between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. those 35 arrests came on top of more than 200 arrests police made the day before on monday during that day of really heavy rioting and violence and

looting. there is a practical question of what you do with all the people you've arrested all at once. in baltimore, it's not like the criminal justice system was laying around doing nothing with extra capacity before the influx of several new arrestees on monday. that influx has put a strain on the whole criminal justice system today. courts today went to maximum staffing to try to process people through the system. people have been held a long time already without even being charged. a number of the arrestees finally started appearing in a baltimore courthouse early today to officially face charges. therein dozens more people who eventually didn't get the paper there's a 48-hour window you can be held without officially being charged. because they were getting close to the end of that window officials suggested they might have to start releasing people who they'd arrested monday but who were getting close to hitting that mark. ples in baltimore warned about

that earlier today and late tonight 101 protesters who had been arrested were allowed to go free all at once. police officials were quick to say that does not mean those individuals should think of themselves as being in the clear. >> we have've come up on a time line. we are still releasing them with future prosecution in mind. >> do you expect some of them most of them, all of them so to eventually be charged? >> oh we're not giving up on them. we're going to follow up. the system right now is trying to catch up. >> system trying to catch up. couldn't get them charged in time so tonight 100 of them at least are out. nbc news correspondent rehema ellis spent some time at the juvenile court today with families of a number of young people who were arrested. good to have you here. >> reporter: for sure. one thing i should tell you off the bat about the juveniles arrested, anywhere between 35 and some 40 it depend on the

numbers that they're looking at wouldn't think that -- heard from the public defenders because it's the public defender's office handling most of these cases because people don't have the money to pay for private lawyers. 21 of those 35 or 40 cases public defenders tell me are kids who have been arrested who have no prior criminal record. that notion that these are thugs in terms of those juveniles, some mother whom i talk to, they bristled at that characterization, even some fathers i talked to they bristle at it too. they said people have to remember these are someone's kids. and they may have been misguided, they may have walk in the wrong place at the wrong time, but they did not appreciate that title. and again remembering they have no prior criminal record. that's 21 of the 35. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. i was going to ask you of the 35

to 40 do we know if all of those kids are going to end up getting charged or is that still an open question at this point? >> reporter: with what's happening is that they had a mandate to try and process today. they normally have between one and two courts operating in the juvenile court system. today they say they've put on two to three courts with judges on the bench dealing with these cases because they wanted to process them through. we were over there until court just about ended today. it was a long day for many parents who came in at 9:00 and they didn't see their kids until 4:00, 5:00 6:00 in the evening because they wanted to get them processed. that meant this was a bail hearing day so they determined that they would be released in their parents' custody for many of these kids and they will be back in court in 30 days to answer to the charges. and what are those charges? burglary. that's a euphemism as you know for basically looting. disorderly conduct, what could mean throwing rocks or something of that nature. then some of these kids are

saying they just got swept up in the moment. they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police were coming through and sweeping people up and some parents feel that their kids got swept up that way. >> rehema do we know anything from the kids or their families or anybody else that's been able to observe it about the conditions of confinement these kids were held in? obvious lay lot of these kids were held for some considerable amount of time. are there complaints about the way they were held or the circumstances in which they were held? >> reporter: we talked to a young man and he was very shy about it. his dad was standing next to him and his dad was unhappy about the fact that he had been arrested. and he talked about he was in a small room it was a small cot, it was such a small cot that he literally took his blanket and slept on the floor because it was so uncomfortable. these kids were shackled. i saw these kids come out of detention after they were going into the court and to go into the court they had shackles chains on their ankles.

now, we see a lot of these plastic bracelets that the ausmsers had out here. they didn't have those on. they had shackles on them. young man told me he felt like he was in a cage and that that's what they do to animals, they put chains on animals. it was very humiliating, demoralizing. he said it was something he hopes -- it never happened to him before and hopes it never happens to him again. this was a very difficult situation for -- these were eventually children. when you're teenagers you don't like to be called a child but they are essentially children, under 18 years old and some have never been through this kind of treatment before. the public defender's office they also bristle at it. they think that these kids shouldn't have to be treated this way. but it is tough treatment. once you get picked up and swept up in the juvenile justice system there aren't a whole lot of kid gloves used to treat these kids. that's one of the reasons why so many people are saying we've got to do the right thing.

people have got to be providing the kind of services and the kind of education and the kind of guidance that these kids need so they don't get caught up in this because it's a very difficult system and it can be very demeaning for a young person to go through. >> nbc news correspondent rehema ellis, really really valuable information. definitely those numbers you got from the public defender's office i haven't heard those anywhere else. thanks for helping us understand it. i appreciate it. rehema ellis there spending time today at the juvenile court. these are important numbers. she's saying of the 35 to 40 juveniles who have been arrested in the protests and the rioting this week, she's told that 21 of those kids have no prior criminal records whatsoever. this is their first contact with the criminal justice system and they are getting into the criminal justice system at these the sharp end-it kids held overnight, in shackles, in difficult conditions of confinement, facing serious charges including burglary

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information right now, but we may have that for you in just a moment. so stay with us for that. this is a live shot of times square in new york city. the reason police are out in significant numbers is there have been arrests just in the last few minutes at this ongoing street protests against the death of freddie gray that's been happening in the last several hours in knox. i think we have footage of some arrests in times square. >> this is the last few minutes in new york city in times square. obviously a rough confrontation

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this. dreamwalk. congressman elijah cummings was speaking with reporters moments ago, pennsylvania and north. he's been up there consistently throughout protests trying to both keep things peaceful and also last night and now tonight encouraging people to leave the streets and not run afoul of the curfew. can we listen in a little bit op this? >> please, i beg you, i'm not asking i'm begging, it's very important that we keep the peace. got to keep the peace. we've got to keep the peace. congressman cummings have been a frequent almost constant presence in the streets in baltimore talking to people, trying to get them both to

remain peaceful to channel their anger and specifically he has been overt working one-on-one, sometimes behind a bull horn sometimes just making the case face-to-face with individual people to pay attention to the curfew to stay clear of police and to avoid the kind of confrontations that are going to get people arrested. don't often see members of congress doing that personal work, but he's been doing that a couple days. the curfew goes into effect in 20 minutes now. still quite a few people on the streets. they will enforce the curfew. anybody out after 10:00 will be risking arrest. multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is

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occasion last night. we'll see tonight whether or notitis also -- it goes as easy. as you see, there are still some people on the streets and they're getting close to that deadline. i want to tell you about new information we're getting in courtesy of the "washington post" within the last half an hour. all right. the freddie gray arrest and the freddie gray killing which led to this. it was the proximate cause of this arrest in baltimore. the arrest happened on april 12th. if you know anything about this story, you know mr. gray was arrested for a reason that's still rather murky. he was taken into custody by baltimore police. you see that footage here. he's limp as they bring him into the back of a police van. by the time he ended up getting out of that police van -- by the time that police van arrived at its destination at the police station he was unconscious. this happened on april 12th. freddie gray then went into a coma and he died on april 19th. his family says that when he

died his spinal cord was nearly severed and they believe that whatever killed him happened to him after he was taken into custody either before he was put into that van or once he was in that van. now what has happened this evening is that for the first time some information has surfaced about what maybe the police investigation into freddie gray's death. an affidavit part of an application for a search warrant, the search warrant is seeking the seizure of a uniform worn by one of the officers that was involve in the arrest. the search warrant application says investigators are saying freddie gray's dna might be found on the officer's clothes. they're asking for the officer's uniform. there's an affidavit filed as part of that search warrant which "the washington post" says was give on the them quote, under the condition that the person who gave the affidavit would not be named because the person who provided the document feared for that person's safety. a lot of ambiguity and cloak and

dagger as to where the affidavit came from but it is reportedly from a prisoner who was also in the van at the same time as freddie gray. according to "the washington post," this is a prisoner who is currently in jail who was separated from freddie gray inside that van by a metal partition and could not see him, but that prisoner sharing that police transport van according to this affidavit has told investigators he could hear freddie gray according to "the washington post," banging against the walls of the vehicle. the prisoner believed that freddie gray was intentionally trying to injure himself. again, this affidavit was written by a baltimore police investigator in support of a search warrant that's being sought in conjunction with the baltimore police investigation into freddie gray's death. obviously it's a very inflammatory claim. the family of freddie gray their attorneys say the family have never bp told about the prisoner's comments to investigators. one attorney for the family says we disagree with any implication that freddie severed his own

spinal cord we question the accuracy of the police reports so far, including that that he was arrested without force or incident. police say they will give preliminary results of their investigation into freddie gray's death to a local prosecutor on friday. police also said today the public will not see that when it happens on friday but this leak to "the washington post" tonight, which basically claims that freddie gray was injured at his own hand that's the first we have seen from inside that investigation. leaks like this always serve somebody's purpose. we have no idea who gave this to "the washington post" or what their interests are in having done so. but "the post" has published this within the last half hour. we watch the streets of baltimore tonight. 14 minutes away from the curfew.

things seem to be changing on the ground tonight on the streets of baltimore. baltimore had its first-ever or first in this incident curfew last night 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. mostly without incident. baltimore's due to be looking at that curfew again -- i'm just trying to see what we're looking at there. baltimore is looking to be starting that curfew again in 12 minutes. as you can see, there is a lot of media but also a lot of folks out on the street tonight still in baltimore as we get close to the curfew. that's -- >> no violence no violence. >> -- congressman elijah cummings.

>> time to go home. >> telling people it's time to go home. he did this last night both face-to-face and on a bull horn when he could to try to get people to clear out and get home and to avoid being arrested just for violating the curfew or for any sort of confrontation. keeping an eye on that as baltimore bear downs on this curfew, congressman cummings has been right in the middle of this for the last couple nights. also keeping an eye on new york city where there have been a number of arrests as the protest has move through the city. starting in union kwar today, in times square more recently tonight. msnbc reporter amanda sakuma has been with protesters tonight watching their confrontations with police and what else they've been doing to get their message across. amanda, what's going on in times kwar square now? how has it been tonight? >> reporter: good evening, rachel. here in new york city's iconic times square where we just saw two protest groups come together. they were in separate factions had been split up after a

just saw two protest groups come together. they were in separate factions they had been split up after a peaceful protest that began in union square. they've tried to march when police blocked the roadways and many had to disperse and gone in different directions. with me i have protesters brian caster who has been out marching with the folks here. tell me brian, why are you out here and what is your message? >> well we are here in solidarity, but all people across america who are getting beaten down by the police by the state. we understand and, you know that it's really a big price going on everywhere. and with the murder of freddie gray, it's something that it cannot be taken lightly. it's something that we need to understand as people here in the united states that you know there's something wrong. there's something wrong that's deeply rooted and we definitely need to come together. especially in times like this and join the protest. >> so what do you hope to get

out of this evening and out of these protests? what is the message that you want to have? >> you know we know that the action, our voices are heard. so we are here to inspire movement and help move forward. >> rachel we are here with the protests here in times square where there are masses amounts of people. we heard from erica garner the daughter of eric garner who are killed this summer and they are bringing this message as they have been marching all day. it does not appear that they will be ending anytime soon here in new york city. >> amanda live with new york city protests thank you. stay with us for -- you've been keeping an eye there and seeing some rough arrests and rough confrontations between protesters and police in new

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it's happened in part in the streets and a significant part at this intersection of pennsylvania and north in west baltimore. msnbc's joy reid is there now. police seem to be taking up more space in anticipation of the start of this curfew just a couple of minutes from now. >> i can't hear. >> can joy not here me? >> go ahead, joy. >> rachel i can tell you about 20 minutes ago, there was a protest that was taking place, if we can swing around here tony, right in that area next to the art social club there was a protest that was happening, actually, while i was on with you and it was going along swimmingly. we got closer and closer to that 10:00 curfew time. congressman elijah cummings who lives a couple of blocks away from here, came out with a bull horn to try to disperse that protest and urge people to go home. as you saw, he talked about the

fact that he loved this community, this is his community, these are his people. and he started urging people to go. there was a group of younger protesters who were pretty vehement about not going. and i remember when we were on earlier, there were a lot of people. this was very crowded and with less than a half an hour to go before curfew. so congressman cummings and another pastor have been walking around urging people to just go home. and there has been some back and forth between police and these protesters. and if we swing around this way, tony, can we go this way? there's a line of police that came and began to form in this area. first, they formed a solid, straight line. now you see them here. behind them is a sound truck. and that has been described to me as something incredibly un unpleasant. hopefully it will not be used, but the police have been pretty restrained. but so far, we have essentially a standoff between people who are not going home and community leaders, including their congressman, elijah cummings

who are urging people to go. >> joy, i'm not sure if you can hear me. can you hear me now as i'm talking to you? >> i do hear you now. >> the voice that we can hear in the background there, sounds like an amplified voice, is that somebody talking to the crowd about what they ought to do? what's going on there? >> yes. so we have in this area a community leader. i don't know if you can make out the gentleman that has a backwards cap on. he is one of the community leaders that's been urging people to go. the other person with the bull horn that's elijah cummings. >> we love you. we're proud of baltimore. we are a great city. we are a peaceful city. we are a peaceful city. >> elijah cummings has been walking around. he's been circulating, it's been

a little over 20 minutes he's been walking around going to various young men and urging them, go home disperse. the crowd is getting smaller now. there were actually a few of the young men themselves who were chanting go home and urging people to get out of this square and go home. and so it's thinning out a little bit, but as you can see, there are still some persistent people and they are still here and clearly they are not abiding by the curfew. >> and when you're hearing those arguments and young people are arguinging back, what is the case they're making? >> people essentially are taking issue with the idea they can't be in these streets. this is a residential area where they live and there is some defiance. i think some of it is young men, guys who were part of that protest that started earlier this evening. it went on for quite a while. it built up pretty loud. they essentially decided that they were not going to abide by

the curfew. there were skirmishes, groups of people who were saying essentially no and congressman cummings is still out here. he's walking around with this bull horn and a member of his staff and another local leader the pastor. i don't know what's going on over there. now we have people kind of moving quickly. i mean rachel you know and you reported earlier, there were issues with being able to process the very few people who were detained yesterday. so we're just sort of taking a wait and see attitude to see what's hapg happened as the crowd -- i mean a lot of this is pressed, but there are a lot of people here too. >> joy reid you're doing great work. stay where you are as best as you can, obviously. stay safe. we're going to go back into the night as we see this curfew go into effect. well done. and that curfew is now in