now. we will bring it to you live as soon as this news conference starts. first we are following two conflicting accounts that emerged surrounding the investigation into what happened when freddie gray was taken into police custody and suffered the fatal spinal cord injury one coming from the "washington post" based on a sealed police document not seen by nbc news. separated by gray by a metal partition told police he could hear gray quote, banging against the walls of the vehicle and believed he was intentionally trying to injure himself. wbal investigative reporter jane miller says there is no evidence to support this claim and that sources tell her gray was unresponsive when second prisoner was loaded to the van.

baltimore police expected to turn over results to state attorney's office tomorrow but results will not be released publicly right away. the outrage over gray's death fuelled protests in cities across the country. more protests though or most of them remain largely peaceful. though in new york city more than 100 arrests were reported as some officers clashed with protesters. investigative reporter jane miller joins me now by phone. thank you for your time here. >> good morning. >> let's get to the heart of some things you have uncovered in your separate investigation including this information you have on this unnamed prisoner who was in the van with mr. gray. tell me the timeline of when he could have heard or allegedly heard what the post is reporting. >> the post reporting comes from the search warrant affidavit used by police to search a

particular place. and the police officer who swore out that affidavit said the account of this prisoner was that freddie gray was banging his head or he heard freddie gray banging his head against the wall of the van. we have reported consistently in this case is that there is no evidence to support that. the medical evidence in this case which is both from the hospital because he spent a week in the hospital undergoing lots of medical procedures before he died and from the autopsy is that his injury was a single severe spinal injury resulting from a broken neck and then the partial severing of the spinal cord. there is no medical evidence according to our reporting and to the information that we have there is no evidence to support an individual who is banging his head against anything.

we have reported that at that stop when the prisoner was loaded sources familiar with the investigation say mr. gray was unresponsive. the prisoner was only in the van for about five minutes. he was on at the last part of the 45-minute timeline. we have reported that by the time mr. gray reached the western district he essentially had no pulse. the crime watch camera system captures that stop when that prisoner was loaded and we have reported this. you can see officers looking into the van with the doors wide open. so certainly if you had an irate disruptive prisoner banging head against the van it doesn't indicate officers don't look at the video like they are worried about that. >> we received the two-minute warning that the news conference is about to start. the police are going to announce that they have completed the investigation into the death and they have turned it over to city prosecutors. one other note that you have

pointed out regarding this report that mr. gray allegedly was banging himself against the van, the police commissioner previously said and i heard you report that on april 23 the ride in the police van was described as calm and quiet. >> correct. this is an individual, this second prisoner who has a -- we call it a number of years hanging over your head because he had extended prison sentence for previous crime. so he has given two different accounts. obviously, that happens with witnesses. the bottom line of that is that the objective evidence in the case which is the medical evidence in the video does not support that story that mr. gray was trying to injure himself. >> let's talk about what we are about to hear potentially from the police department that this investigation has been completed and turned over to city prosecutors. as you know for days now it has

been the belief i think that from a lot of perspectives including those in baltimore that they would get a public report, some kind of information would be provided publicly and now that is not the case. what happened here? >> well i think that what happened here is that the police commissioner, i think it was on april 20th the day after mr. gray died he set a deadline of may 1 and created an enormous expectation which the police department has been trying to back off from. there is no -- for anybody who knows anything about criminal investigations they don't get completed in that timeframe. i don't think the police department is suggesting this is a completed investigation. they are going to turn over their preliminary information. this isn't an internal investigation. this is what they gathered in the course of the criminal investigation. the state's attorney's office doing an independent investigation. there is a lot of information

that is at play in this investigation. i think what we are going to hear in a few minutes is pretty straightforward statement that they have turned over what they have to this point to the state's attorney's office. i'm not anticipating much more than that. we can be surprised but i'm not anticipating. >> there have been plenty of surprises in the investigation. it appears they are about to start. thank you for your excellent reporting. let's listen in. status of the investigation into the tragic passing of mr. freddie gray. joined by deputy commissioner kevin davis who is deputy commissioner in charge of the investigations and intelligence bureau. we will not be taking any questions at this press conference as this is no longer our investigation it would be inappropriate for us to do so. >> good morning. please forgive my voice as it

cracks. at approximately 8:50 this morning our task force charged with investigating the tragic death of mr. freddie gray turned over the contents of that investigation to the state attorney's office. in many of these cases that i have been in for three different police departments, one of the things that the families always ask is how long is it going to take? out of due care for the family the citizens, the police officers, i set a date not the mayor mayor. i want a sense of urgency on this case to get the results out there. we dedicated 30 plus detectives full time job focused on this case and only this case including lab personnel and academy personnel and homicide detectives. the family and the community and the public deserve transparency and truth. the task force heeded my call

and we have exhausted every lead at this point in time. this does not mean that the investigation is over. let me repeat. this does not mean that the investigation is over. if new evidence is found we will follow it. if new direction is given by the state's attorney we will obey it and follow through with the investigation. we will further investigate at the request of the state attorney to bring forth other witnesses that we find. i understand the frustration. i understand the sense of urgency and so has the organization and that is why we have finished it a day ahead of time meeting and foregoing my conclusions already. also note that getting to the right answer is more important than the speed, making sure we look and over turn every rock is more important than just coming forth and giving a document. i know that the state's attorney is committed to seeing justice and from this point on we will take all directions from the state attorney because it is now

their case. i will bring up deputy commissioner kevin davis to talk about the task force. >> thank you. as the commissioner stated we turned over the case this morning to the state's attorneys office. however, that case remains very active and we are continuing to work around the clock. let me walk you through the timeline once again. we went over this but we have new information to share with you. on the morning of april 12 the police encountered freddie gray along the 1600 block of north avenue and that is when freddie gray ran from the police. we made an apprehension of mr. gray along the 1700 block. we stated earlier and confirming again today that the first stop of the wagon after the apprehension site was mount and baker. the second stop has been revealed to us during the course of the investigation and was previously unknown to us. we discovered this new stop

based on our thorough and comprehensive and ongoing review of all cctv cameras and privately owned cameras. in fact, this new stop was discovered from a privately owned camera. so the new stop by our wagon was at freed mont and mosier. from there the wagon stopped at dolphin and then at north avenue and pennsylvania avenue to pick up an additional prisoner. and then the wagon arrived at the western district. from the western district mr. gray was transported to shock trauma where he died a week later. our investigation continues. we continue to work partnership with the state's attorney's office. major stan bramford is leading this investigation, a very talented folks working very hard not only for the police department but for the city of baltimore.

we look forward to additional progress in this case as time goes by. thank you. >> we are going to continue -- >> you heard a brief update from the baltimore police department. a couple of headlines to discuss with my panel including now the commissioner as well as his team revealing that they learned of the van, transportation van that was carrying -- the transportation van excuse me made a second stop and that was only previously captured on a privately owned camera. the second stop had not been previously known to police and it was only and only become evident that mr. gray was inside during a second stop when this was revealed with a privately owned camera. let me bring in our panel. civil rights attorney and former executive director of the new

york affiliate of aclu advocate for creation of independent special prosecutor for cases of police misconduct. scott colvert who drew up a profile will ultimately decide if the officers involved in freddie gray's death will face charges. joining me also a neurosurgeon at johns hopkins who specializes in spinal disorder. just trying to re-read these notes for clarification to make sure we are accurately capturing what police have said here. they only learned after their detailed in-depth investigation that there was a second stop. this transportation van and they only learned it after seeing a camera that was privately owned. why would they need to get that information -- >> the people who were driving the van should have been telling them that they stopped in various places.

so to begin with you wonder whether the information from the officers who were driving the van are credible to begin with. and this is not a surprise because over and over again the reports by the police who are involved from the initial phase are not necessarily accurate. >> and let me bring you in on this. we heard in this news conference this information turned over to the state's attorney involved in this. we heard authorities or police say they will continue to do their part here. we already have a leak this morning to wake up to from the "washington post" indicating that this inmate the sworn affidavit from one officer that an inmate also in the transportation van on a separate side with a divider who could not see mr. gray says he heard something in his interpretation was that mr. gray was trying to hurt himself. the reporter from our affiliate covering the story says this individual is looking at a lot of time and we know in the past people will say things to get

themselves out of trouble. we don't know that at this point. combine that leak with us learning of the second unknown stop now there is a lot on the plate of the state's attorney. >> there is an awful lot on the plate of the state's attorney. she is brand new to the job. she has been in office for less than four months. as recently as last year she was an insurance company lawyer and before that an assistant state's attorney for about five years. she is relatively young, just 35 years old, doesn't have a ton of experience. her supporters say she is tough and compassionate and very smart and will follow evidence where it takes her and make appropriate decisions but she is under a tremendous amount of pressure. >> her ties run deep to baltimore. her husband is a city councilman there. he represents the area of west baltimore where riots erupted on monday. >> i was out there late monday night. there was an incredible scene where you had police officers starting to back up slowly but

steadily. in the middle of all of this was councilman who said he negotiated with the police to pull back because he and other community members felt they could do a good job of tensions on the streets. he is in the thick of this and has a huge amount of responsibility to his constituents. it is a different situation. her job is to weigh the facts and figure out what kind of case she can bring, if she can bring a case. >> you remain skeptical not just of ms. mosby but not haven't independent special prosecutors in these cases. there is a belief that there is a conflict of interest with the state's attorney's office who often works hand in hand with the police department to get convictions in cases. >> absolutely. the prosecutors locally and statewide rely on the police on hour to hour to successfully

prosecute the criminal cases so there is a built in conflict of interest not just when the police officers but police unions, as well which is a powerful player in these dynamics. if you had an independent state special prosecutor for allegations of police misconduct like the freddie gray case then you wouldn't have the sense out on the streets that the system is rigged. >> let me bring in neurosurgeon at johns hopkins. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> let's start with this news today, this washington"washington post" report that this inmate allegedly heard mr. gray banging his head. with what we heard regarding the injury. the baltimore sun reports that gray's family said he under went surgery at the maryland shock trauma center for crushed voice

box injuries common for victims of a high speed crash. would you be able to cause those types of injuries to your own body by slamming it around? >> good morning. unfortunately, as you know this case is incomplete. we don't know all of the evidence and i am unable to speculate about a case that is under current investigation. i can tell you what i know as a neurosurgeon here at johns hopkins about spinal cord injury and the forces it takes to cause it. >> with the description given of the injuries that would cause someone's spine to sever give me an example of the power it would take for something like that to happen. could you fall and something like that happen? if someone slammed you -- to what kind of force would a body react in that way? >> if i can jump in and if the police officer puts his knee into the guy's back could that be a factor sir?

>> i think spinal cord injury there is about 12,000 cases in the united states per year. most common causes of spinal cord injury are falls, motor vehicle accidents, gun shot wounds and other forms of violence. self-inflicted spinal cord injury is very rare. as a matter of fact there is only one report of self-inflicted spinal cord injury in japan in 2002. that doesn't mean there hasn't been more cases. this reporting process is quite voluntary. we know of one case of a person who self-inflicted on themselves a spinal cord injury and that person did not die. >> this is out of the thousands of cases as you pointed out that exist including many in which you work on. i believe the quote in the paper you were quoted saying you have to apply a significant amount of force in order to break

someone's neck. when you say significant amount of force explain that in detail if you can. >>typically we have pain as a defense mechanism. if we are doing something we sense pain and cease doing it. when that defense mechanism is no longer there for a variety of reasons then that person may subject themselves to abnormal forces or nonphysiologic forces. they may lead to spinal cord injury. i am not talking about this specific case but in general. typically pain is an instinct that stops us from proceeding to do something that we perceive as quite painful. >> and you are right to and we will certainly stress you did not see the medical report and never examined mr. gray. we are looking at what kind of body trauma would cause an

injury as it has been described. police have also indicated that this is the injury that caused the death of mr. gray. with that said i know that you have also talked about accidents, vehicular accidents could cause this to happen to someone. there have been allegations of a so-called rough ride potentially where someone is in the back of a transportation van and it turned quickly or stopped quickly to rough up the individual in the back. would something like that cause a severe injury severe spinal injury as described? >> again, i'm sorry we are going to have wait to see what the evidence shows. i can't speculate about this. can somebody -- if somebody's hands are tied behind their back and they are subjected to falling to either side and their hands are no longer able to take some of that force that they are

subjected to then that leaves their spinal cord vulnerable. >> that is what is reported as far as how mr. gray was transported, his hands were again, behind his back. he had been shackled into the transportation van. >> but he was supposed to have a seat belt. so the idea of falling if the van was moving quickly, if he had the seat belt on you would emillialert that problem. >> there are questions that need to be answered. thank you very much. we really appreciate it. we do not want to compromise your profession and expertise. thank you for your time and your reporting. great pleasure having you on. rand paul's campaign says hillary clinton is trying to undo some of the harm inflicted by president bill clinton's drug policy after hillary clinton distanced herself from her

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we are back with an incredible story amid wreckage of the nepal quake. a 15-year-old boy has been pulled from the rubble alive five days after that disaster. the crowds cheered as rescuers pried him from the ruins. an american response team helped in the rescue. amazing pictures emerging of a 4-month-old baby pulled from the rubble sunday. he spent 22 hours buried under

his home and pulled out caked in dust. ian williams joins me now from kathmandu. the rescue of this 15 year old after five days gives rescuers hope there that they might find others. >> reporter: they certainly have. those remarkable scenes that incredible rescue has done a lot to lift spirits here a much needed lift. i think a lot of people here had given up hope that they would find anybody else alive. there are enormous concerns about villages close to the epicenter where there is still very little information about what has happened. here in kathmandu today we joined an assessment team visiting some of the dozens of camps set up for displaced people. this is what we found. the sun was shining today on kathmandu's vast encampments of displaced people but only after heavy overnight rain added to

misery. dozens of camps have sprung up for those whose houses have been damaged or destroyed but mostly for families who feel safer here. they are beginning to thin out. those families feel more confident about returning home. his house collapsed so he and his family are moving to the home of his brother which is still intact and with whom he runs a handy craft business. >> these houses. >> reporter: aid agencies have been sending in assessment teams trying to figure out how many have long term needs. they are concentrating on shelter materials and health conscious with the monsoon approaching disease could quickly spread. >> if there are going to be established camps and trying to follow measures. in this camp they say food and water are in reasonably good supply though the picture varies

across the city. this is another camp that has thinned out considerably. it is the golf course. the fairways have been home to the displaced. aid agencies are wary of establishing permanent camps if people still have habitable homes or relatives to stay with. this is just kathmandu. >> we have so much more of the country effected that we don't know much about yet so we need to prioritize the aid that is coming in on the ground and we need to get that where people need it. >> reporter: as if to underline those health concerns one of kathmandu's hospitals today reported more than 1,000 cases of water borne diseases which they blame on people living in unsanitary conditions. >> turning now to politics. hillary clinton is distancing herself from policies put in place by her husband, bill during his administration. in her first policy speech as presidential candidate yesterday hillary clinton vowed to end what she called the era of mass

incarceration. >> there is something profoundly wrong when african-american men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than are meaded out to their white counter parts. >> rand paul reacted to clinton's speech almost immediately saying quote, hillary clinton is trying to undo some of the harm inflicted by the clinton administration. the senator referring to the tough 1994 crime bill signed into law by bill clinton that critics said led to imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of people, most of them black men. joining us live alex. by the numbers, prison population when bill clinton became president in '92 there were 847,000 people. by the end of his term that

population had grown to 1.3 million. this is relevant for many reasons but particularly as we look at baltimore and frustrations from young people on the streets the last few days. >> reporter: absolutely. this issue is very much in the conversation right now and very much exciting liberals. it speaks volumes that this was the first policy speech that hillary clinton gave on criminal justice reform on ending era of mass incarceration. she is aware that this is a major issue and wants to be a leader on it. it is awkward given her husband's record here 1994 anti-crime law. the tail end of the height of the crack epidemic. a lot of emphasis cracking down and a thought you can just throw people away and send them in jail. at the time the faeks s effects of the law were hailed. rand paul going after her and rnc saying it is a flip-flop.

this is not going to be the first time she is going to have to deal with this issue on gay rights, financial reform and trade and a host of issues where her husband disappointed the left. >> in bill clinton's forward he talked about decisions made and said it is time to take a look at what worked and what didn't. what produced unintended long lasting consequences here. with the rollout of her policy, did hillary clinton while addressing some of the problems in the past, do her critics or even her supporters believe that she pushed forcefully enough to acknowledge at least some decisions made by then president clinton that are the long lasting consequences? >> i think the reaction has been very positive to hillary clinton's remarks. and there is always a tension how much we can hold her accountable for policies that her husband implemented. >> not holding her accountable

but allowing her to challenge and say when they are right and wrong. she cannot be held accountable if she was the first lady. now running for president or if these are policies under the bush administration that she did not agree. >> absolutely. and i think people are very satisfied. she was very strong. she went farther than the obama white house in calling for body cameras on every police officer. i think a lot of criminal justice reform advocates would be happy that she is lending her high profile to this issue and also having bill clinton recant a little bit expressing what i read as a little bit of regret for going too far in the 1990s. >> thank you for reporting. greatly appreciate it. what does pope francis call a pure scandal in the work place? how do you justify running

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from the state's attorney they will continue the investigation. a couple of things have come out of this. i think one of the headlines is authorities now say police department authorities now indicated in the press conference that they learned from a private security camera that the transportation van carrying freddie gray made a second stop unknown to them until they started the investigation. some 30 detectives worked this case. we knew that the transportation van had stopped to pick up another prisoner in the last five minutes of the ride to the correction facility. however, the police commissioner now revealing today that there was a second unknown stop made by the transportation van and they learned of that stop through surveillance video in the investigation that uncovered that. we will continue to follow latest developments out of baltimore and get another live report. turning to our first read on politics. bernie sanders set to formally enter presidential race within

the next hour. jeb bush and ted cruz are courting hispanic vote this week. on capitol hill presidential politics threatened to derail a bipartisan bill. joining me live now nbc news political editor. thanks for joining us. let's talk about senator bernie sanders. what type of threat is he to hillary clinton? >> politics is unpredictable. i think it is a safe bet that bernie sanders will not be next president of the united states and very far to the left. the entrance to the race is very important because bernie sanders is going to talk about issues that progressives want to hear about, the elizabeth warren wing of the party supporting medicare for all style health care plan. he wants to expand social security. he is also going to talk about issues like breaking up big banks and money in politics two things that can be trouble for hillary clinton on the left. i think it is really worth watching how he approaches this. now, so far he hasn't really

taken very explicit aim at hillary clinton. he says this race is about him and his ideas and not trying to take her down or injure her. but his role in this race is going to be important as would be martin o'malley if he juchs in the race, as well. >> senator warren many people feel the first tour in iowa from hillary clinton was a rip from the play book that could have been designed by elizabeth warren. when you look at someone like bernie sanders what he can evok out of hillary clinton's campaign perhaps to your message at the beginning would be music to the ears of progressives and liberals. >> exactly. they are hoping that bernie sanders in the race will push hillary clinton to the left and be forced to address specifics like any changes she would make to health care or what does she really think about entitlements and on the issue of financial reform bernie sanders is almost as striking as elizabeth warren

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we are back with more on the breaking news this hour. baltimore's police commissioner announcing his department's preliminary investigation into the death of freddie gray has been turned to the city's chief prosecutor. it will be up to her to decide whether to bring criminal charges against any police officers. the findings are not being made public at this time. >> we have exhausted every lead

at this point in time but this does not mean that the investigation is over. let me repeat. this does not mean that the investigation is over. if new evidence is found we will follow it. if new direction is given by the state's attorney we will obey it and follow through with the investigation. >> i know this information just was released but what kind of reaction have you heard so far? >> reporter: i think we have lost our connection. let's try it again. let's see if we can get her there. are you able to hear us? we are going to go to a quick break. we'll be right back.

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investigation is now turned over to the state's attorney's office who will decide if charges are warranted in the death of freddie gray. what has been the reaction you heard so far? >> reporter: i suspect we haven't had an opportunity to talk to very many people because most folks out here right now are media. this area is pretty much cleared of protesters, people are pretty much going about their day. i can tell you as you have the press conference going the police department was saying that in instances like this one of the first things families ask is how long it will take. they said they put 30 of their police personnel on this case in order to move as quickly as they possibly could. he said at 8:50 this morning they turned it over to the state attorney's office and this investigation is now in that department's hands. they said they will follow evidence as it comes and take direction as presented. it is now in the state attorney's office. one thing i found interesting is that they said they added information to that timeline of

the number of stops that the police van made when freddie gray was in that van. they said they found there was a second stop and that information became known to them as a result of a private camera. apparently a citizen came forward cooperating with police and provided information for the video off of their camera which made it possible for police to augment the information they had in their investigation. once again they say they were able to bring this investigation to a conclusion on their end, turn it over to the state attorney's office a day ahead of what they originally said they intended to do. >> what do we know as far as an update on the curfew? two nights so far relatively a peaceful, no major clashes to speak of. what is the latest on how long the curfew will last? >> the curfew is supposed to last all week. i'm certain they will want it in

place. on saturday there is a major protest rally scheduled for this coming saturday. and then once you have a rally getting everybody off the streets is always difficult thing to do. so thatdo. that curfew may help people do that. also the fact now they're starting to establish a mat earn of people being off the street. folks might be in the right mood or more accustomed to that idea of clearing the streets by 10:00. last night there were a few people on the streets. it caused confrontation in families. they were realizing -- i asked people if they intended to be off the streets? they said yes they were out as protestors but not lawbreakers. >> thank you very much. three educators that got tough penalties for their role in a cheating scandal will be

sentenced today. the former atlanta school officials had been sentenced to 20 years terms, seven prison and 13 pro dagsbationprobation. the judge is supposed to reduce those supposedly believing they're too harsh. katie medially was nine months pregnant when james holmes walked in the studio. >> because i was so pregnant i had to save our unborn child because i knew -- i thought caleb was going to die. i thought that's the last piece of him i have. i have to save him. i grabbed caleb's hand. he squeezed my hand. i told him that i loved him and that i would take care of our baby if he didn't make it. >> her husband did survive. holmes has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. a woman is under arrest

after police say she deliberately set a gas station pump on fire in jerusalem. the woman asked a man for a cigarette. when he refused she walked away. she returned pulling out a light eric -- light ericer erer lighting a fire. a private battle is turning public after business mogul nick and his famous fiance tried to have a baby using inkvitova -- using invitro. he writes in my view keeping

them frozen forever is killing them. he wants to implant them in a surrogate and raise the children himself arguing a woman is entitled to bring a pregnancy to term if the man objects. shouldn't a man who's willing to take on responsibilities have the ability to bring his embryos to term? >> they are the project of infertility treatment and medical procedure that involves informed consent. >> he filed a lawsuit against the "modern family" star. her lawyer was not comment but said his claims have no merit. vergara never wished to have the embryos destroyed. this highlights legal territory that could get complicated. >> he's saying these are his children. the law doesn't classify embryo as a child.

the judge will balance his rights and sofia's rights not to be forced to be a parent. >> a legal and ethical battle giving new definition to the term "modern family." my next guest is getting heat about his post. it's titled apologies to all my exes. he write, i was always the spoiled alpha male who didn't have to try as hard on every level. i was quote, the man. now as an older man who's engaged to the woman he calls his best friend, michael says he's learned this lesson. he wrote, you never know how much of a man you'll be until you truly love someone beyond yourself. this comes as so many are talking about what it means to be a man. young communities are struggling like in baltimore. that sparked this conversation. michael is joining me.

thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> rewe booked you weeks ago to talk about this facebook post. you wrote a letter to your exes. things that were missing in your younger life that are in place now. all of a sudden this incident many baltimore. young faces of people who want a chance, they say. we believe they do but they feel left out of the equation. you were a junior high school teacher for some time. what do you feel when you see these young people that have been called all kinds of names be but say they want a fighting chance here? >> it really gets to me. sometimes people just want to be right. opposing sides don't listen to

the other side. one thing i wrote was the varying degrees of legitimacy in opposing arguments. it's sad that people are not really focussing on the inciting incident. they want to make people out to be thugs and not understand where they're coming from. in the transverse people should understand there's good cops out there as well. i hope other sides can just listen. >> you've had the chance to listen in any ways in your role as an actor. you played mike tyson in 1995. you had a personal connection to students when you taught. you have a complex person like mike you have to study in and out. his story is similar to what we're hearing from young people that feel disinfranchised, lost and in many cases end up in

prison as tytyson did. >> unfortunately the inner city is designed to make you think from that perspective. i encourage kids to look outside the inner city thought process. the fact your world is very wide and broad. i encourage people to think from other perspectives. just something that keeps recycling. >> part of life is to evolve. it's part of being a man. you're a successful actor from connecticut connecticut. you had experience that showed you what it meant to be a man and i'm sure a lot of other things. >> absolutely. being in acting there's a tendency to delve into your

personal issues and get to the truth of matters. luckily, this is more of an age of looking inside yourself. the generations prior, we came from a different things. now i think it's a bit more acceptable to look at the broad term. >> with you, you also look at family and what young men learn this the home whether it's a one parent home or not that some of these messages of what manhood is. they learn on the streets. they learn in hip hop music. you said you have a love hate relationship as well. these messages get played over and over in the minds of young man. >> absolutely. like many people like myself being from a single parent household raised by my mother a lot of guys don't learn the ends

and outs a successful relationship, how to deal with these things. sometimes in two parent households you learn things by watching. so we single guys from single parent households have to make it up as we go along. >> that creates sometimes many difficult challenges. thank you for joining us. congratulations on putting the most vulnerable part of your life out there for people to read so perhaps other young man can read what it heenes to be a man. >> thank you for having me. >> absolutely. "andrea mitchell reports" starts now. thank you very much tamran. right now on "andrea mitchell reports" now they're handing the investigation over to the states attorney's office. >> we've exhausted every lead that the point in time. this does not mean the investigation is over.

let me repeat. this does not mean the investigation is over. if new evidence is found, we will follow it. if new direction is given by the state's attorney we'll obey and follow through with the investigation. >> the rising tide from baltimore to minneapolis, across the midwest to california, and new york. protests spreading from coast to coast supporting baltimore's demand for answers in the death of freddie gray. >> we need to be out here everyday pressuring them so they do investigation. police can't investigation themselves. >> over and over we don't get justice because there are laws put in place to protect police. the thing is there's no police accountability and transparency. the challenger this hour, bernie sanders, makes it official. >> i will be running in a sense as an independent democrat in the democrat process is. the