>> we are asking and hoping for peace in the city of baltimore. as we saw yesterday and the day before, that is the norm in the city, and that is what we hope to see. outside city hall is where we are and where officials are hoping to prevent a repeat of the violence and anger and frustration we saw on monday night. so far, they've been largely successful. let's get to the freddie gray investigation. today the police department turned over its findings to the state's attorney's office. but not to the public. state attorney marilyn mosby has been running an independent investigation and will now determine if charges should be brought against any of the six officers involved in gray's arrest. all six officers are currently suspended with pay. there's no deadline for when she will make a decision. that lack of a timelane is frustrating some -- timeline

isut fromis frustrating some in the community. when people heard there would be documents released, many thought it would mean full disclosure. after hearing from a number of experts, it became clear that's not how the process works. those papers were never meant to go public at this stage of the investigation. the police commissioner says he understands the public's frustration with the process. >> the family and community and public deserve transparency and truth. >> i understand the frustration, i understand the sense of urgency, and so has the organization. and that is why we have finished it a day ahead of time. getting to the right answer is more important than the speed. making sure that we look and overturn every rock is more important than just coming forth and giving a document. >> i'm joined by nbc's ron allen with me at city hall. protesters will be marching our way shortly. what do you have about that? >> reporter: well we'll see.

the sproifts been peaceful. yesterday there was a huge demonstration. i think it was surprisingly large. the past days before that were relatively calm. monday was the day when things went terribly wrong. so we'll see. i think there's a lot of frustration here. today is a day where expectations were dashed. the police were saying they're trying to get ahead of this being aggressive being transparent. by having this investigation over a day ahead of time. there was a huge expectation wrongly so. existed that people thought there would be finality. we know there's not. we don't know how much longer this is going to go on. of course that's reasonable. innocence until proven guilty. the police have to do a thorough, professional investigation. but for some reason they created this expectation that they're not living up to. and i think that's setting things back, not forward. maybe it's the communications issue maybe a leadership issue.

it's a bad thing. that's where where we are, dealing with a bad thing, not a moving forward thing. i think these gatherings, these demonstrations, the protests they're going to perhaps have new energy. all this feeds into this narrative in people's minds that the police are hide something, they're not being transparent. they're not to be trusted. and you know the bottom line of course, that for some people unless the officers are arrested tomorrow and prosecuted the next day and jailed and all that, they'll never be satisfied. there's that more reasonable group in the middle who could be swayed one way or another depending. the facts and how it is really done well. whether this is done well or not. so i guess the bottom line is that this is a really tricky place for the leadership of this city. and it's also interesting that we're dealing with a leadership that's primarily african-american. this is not a black/white thing. to some extent it's perhaps a class thing. it's a -- the poor the elitist versus the people in the community versus the people leaving the community. it's an interesting in

inter-african-american dynamic. different from charleston and other places. all that i think says that the situations are not simple. they're complicated. and to look at them you have to have nuance. the bottom line there was this expectation that there would be finality finality. now there's not, there's more frustration and disappointment and who knows what else. >> indeed. thank you for your reporting. earlier i was at north avenue where business owners parents, and the community are fixing damage done during monday's riots. do you worry that one day he might get mixed up in one of these situations? >> i'm out here because i don't want this to be him one day. i fear that one day he could be getting chased from school or something. could get beat up. why are they beating up these young men, why? if this isn't the first time someone's got killed they've been beating up kids for a long time. >> we want to be heard and seen and we want justice. that's it.

we want justice. >> have the police shown restraint? have they tried to deescalate? >> no. they're standing their ground you know what i mean? they stand their ground. that's what they're supposed to do. >> here with me reverend anthony evans, president of the national black church initiative. and joining us from washington democratic maryland state senator katherine pugh whose district includes baltimore city. i want to start with you. i was out there last night at 10:30. you were in the street with congressman elijah cummings telling the folks, the media because it was all media at that point, telling the media there's a large stack of documents going to the state attorney's office. we cannot expect the folks in the office to process those documents quickly. and it seems that there's a legal process that needs to play out before there's a public information release. but that the people in the community didn't really understand that, and some of

them believe that either today or tomorrow there would be some sort of public reckoning. do you think there was some sort of political or public relations mistake that led the community to think that the legal process would be handled differently? respond to that. >> i think what we heard police commissioners say early today, that was his decision and not the decision of the mayor. i think there was a communications issue here. i think you and the media, you know that this process is longer than what was already reported. there's a process. the documents have been turned over to the state's attorney. she's got a stack of document to go through. we want to make sure she goes through them in a time frame that allows her to make the right decisions in terms who've should be indicted as it relates to justice for mr. gray. can i correct one thing, too? we keep saying it's a black city, it's a black police chief. it's a black mayor.

40% of your police force is african-american. and 60 pfrtd is% -- 60% is all white. when you take about the disparity and lack of cultural diversity that does not completely exist in the police department. and mr. gray is just symbolic of a number of people across the country who have been violated by police. we're asking for transparency. you heard it was revealed by the police department that there was another step -- another stop that occurred as this man who was supposedly being arrested made before they even got to the police department. there are a lot of issue that need to be revealed. i'm asking that we continue to be peaceful in baltimore and that we understand this is not just about mr. gray. this is about a host of issues as it relates to economic development issues in our community, urban development that needs to take place, and an area that still looks like the 1968 riots that has not been dealt with.

>> you talk about the area. we were out on north avenue earlier talking to some folks about what they expect around this report. let's listen to a little of that. do people in the community expect the report coming -- >> not a for minute. not for a single solitary second. what they tried to do is scare us with ten million police officers and then tell us to wait nine days for whatever reports so they can manufacture a lie. no, they're not -- they don't care about the report. we know what happened. the community will respond the same way they have responded they're going to burn this place down. >> let me bring you in now. we have a community that there's some frustration, cynicism, what can we do to keep the community peaceful and allow the justice process to move forward without some of the problems we saw earlier this week? >> i think it's very important for the political leaders and religious leaders to get together. to set an agenda over the next month as to what to do. one of the things to do is to engage our young people and to explain to them the legal

process and how that happened. this could be a teaching moment for baltimore and the nation and how we can bring people together in that manner. >> all right. let's toss back to you. >> i was hoping to speak with you, we were watching the footage of the students who marched yesterday. i know there's another march planned for 4:00 today in solidarity marches across the country planned for this weekend. looking at the footage of that student march really seemed like a broad cross section of students from across baltimore. do you see this movement really expanding across demographic groups in baltimore? >> absolutely. i think that this is a continuation of what we have seen around the nation concerning these controversial shootings from police. and police should take note that -- here's an opportunity to engage the community, to engage young people, to engage elected officials. don't be sitting back. i do understand there's legal restraints, but the community portion of the police should engage us, and that's have not happened to date in any of those

controversial cities. >> this is reporting from new york. what oversight can be done here? for those just joining us or to reset a bit, in a traditional investigation when you have an independent criminal suspect, the police do the investigation. it's preliminary. then they may turn information and say we believe this saturday person we've already arrested or have a suspect you should go and get. that goes to prosecutors. what is different here even with not all the facts out yet is that some of the potential suspects are in the police department itself. freddie gray was injured right? >> absolutely. >> go ahead, how would you like to see that proceed because it's a little different than when the only pool of suspects are outside the department. >> right. that's why we have a federal investigation going on, as well. i had a conversation with congressman cummings last night. he's had a conversation with loretta lynch. there's a federal investigation that is undergirding this police department's investigation. it's almost, you know a little lopsided that you would have the

police department and then the state's attorney who have to work together investigating each other. so i think this federal investigation is important. >> are you saying you think the police materials they turned over you don't think they should be taken at their word? >> no, i'm urging us to accept that information that has been given, but i also am urging that the federal investigation continue bases our community needs answers, not just about this issue but about the conduct of our police officers. and so i'm trusting that we -- what we get from them is adequate from the police department side. i'm also looking at the federal investigation because i think we'll get a clearer picture. as i learned had it not been for social media, we would not have gotten some of the information that we got. i'm thankful for that. what i'm more concerned about is where we go from here in terms of economic issues urban development issue, community that need to be revitalized.

and the conversation that needs to be taken in this country as it relates to race relations and how do we create more wealth in the african-american community. how do we distribute wealth in communities across the board how do we build up neighborhoods that have been poverty stricken for decades. and you know the numbers. you know the unemployment rate is very low. the african-americans compared to our white brothers in our own city make twice as much as african-americans in our city. there's a lot of economic unemployment issues. america has two million people who are now incarcerated and are paying $30,000 to $60,000 a year to incarcerate them. we've got to do better in this country. >> reverend, take us back to tuesday. the day of freddie gray's funeral. you were there and the reason this came about -- bring us back to the moment the mood at that time. was there this expectation that

the week would ultimately turn into this? >> well i think that the mood by the religious leaders were a correct move of coming together. certainly not pointing fingers at anybody and trying to get the community together. i was saddened not to see the leadership of the police department. this was an opportunity. we wanted them to be at the funeral to demonstrate that they are part of the community. they should be there to show solidaritiment and that was one of the missing elements at that funeral. i'm not sure who gave the order that they could not be there. they should have been there holding our hands, singing our songs, and trying to figure out how to work together in this community. >> thank you very much for your time. coming up on "the cycle" from baltimore yesterday it was the orioles, now the ravens with off-the-field comment about what's been happening in the

city. plus, what's the deal with that report about a prisoner who was in a van with freddie gray and says freddie was trying to hurt himself? we'll dig in to that as "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, the final day of april, 2015. that's why we switched to charmin ultra mega roll. charmin ultra mega roll is 75% more absorbent so you can use less with every go. plus it even lasts longer than the leading thousand sheet brand. charmin ultra mega roll.

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when things like this happen we like to give hope to the community. we are giving people hope to that a better day will be on the horizon. >> we've been talking a lot about the orioles. but this is a town that loves the baltimore ravens. so when you have one of the

baltimore ravens wanting to speak to students you know they're going to be all ears. >> absolutely. let's not leave out the orioles. they win 8-2 yesterday against the white sox. it is a big sports town when it comes to the orioles and ravens. the mayor has been visiting different schools. she had the opportunity earlier this week to go to gilmore elementary school, sandtown, freddie gray's neighborhood. today they were holding a food pantry for most of the residents. and the principal there, nicest guy ever new to the school said this is the longest line he's ever seen. he hoped that everybody was going to be able to walk away with something at the food pantry. i know the ravens were with the mayor at the other food pantry event. this is the elementary school right there behind the project of freddie gray. k-5. it has been considered one of

the poor performing elementary schools in the city. the new principal, new this year, nice nice nice guy. let us come in let us walk around, go into one of the fourth grade classrooms where the mayor had actually been earlier. they were asking why is this happening, when tell stop. funny story -- he's a cause caution principal. the kids are not used to seeing that in this school. they call him principal b. and when he started, one kid said "are you light skinned? " " "he said "i guess i am." the child walked to his buddy and said "see i told you he was black." they have 330 kids in the elementary school, 45 people working there. that's from principal b. all the way down to the custodians helping the kids. they also have a rec center

after school to help with issues for any parents that might not be able to get to their kids right away as elementary school let out. it was lovely to see how the community takes care of itself. >> we've seen a lot of lovely people generosity. congratulations on the orioles winning yesterday. they're still way behind the yankees. you'll have to we'll do that. back to you. >> thanks. that's a great story there. overnight we saw support for freddie gray at the baltimore protest spread to seattle, houston, washington, d.c., boston and minneapolis. here in new york demonstrations started quietly with marches but grew. more than 100 protesters confronted police and disrupted traffic. in denver, police used pepper spray as they arrested nine protesters. two of those arrested face felony charges of assault to a police officer. and back with us again is former nypd officer eugene o'donnell, professor of police studies at

john jay college of criminal justice. always good to have you with with us. last night i was driving home through union square saw a large amount of police on all the corners mainly in front of one cvs there. we were talking during the break, you said the cops were wearing white shirts. that means the leaders were in charge? >> new york's not perfect burks they do this well. they have the numbers, they invest in it learn about it all the time. one thing that they know to do well is have their managers and leaders up front. there's responsibility accountability at the front because the tendency sometimes for the younger police people, less experienced is, to take it personally, take it emotionally. and you have the white shirt, bosses to say, no, this is not personal, not about you. let them do their thing don't take this to heart. >> of what what have you got? >> eugene, stay there. we'll have more with you. here in baltimore rob winehold a cries you and public safety

expert, director of public affairs at the baltimore police department and worked with the state department and state of maryland on crime prevention. one of the big issues has been suspect transportation and what police are supposed to do when a suspect is injured. speak to the protocol for transporting suspects and what police should do if someone is injured. do they have to take him to the hospital? can they still take him to central booking? >> first and foremost we're talking about the health and well being of an individual particularly when they're taken into police custody. there's an obligation to ensure a person is cared for. the police department has said that they felt like that was a misstep in this case. they're it certainly it going to take -- they're certainly going to take a hard look at the transportation policies, the sequence of events and ultimately what happened during the course of the transport. >> do we find sometimes that officers become hardened in that they feel like almost everybody says they're injured, they'd rather go to the hospital than jail. so they're not always believing

what people are telling them in terms of how injured they are? >> i think it's a fair point. i not there's a lot of times where folks may instead of going to jail may want to go to the hospital. and when you take someone's freedom, a lot of types of things can happen. but regardless of what you think the motivations are you need to stick to the policies and procedures. make sure you are caring for the health and well-being of folks. baltimore has wonderful, courageous men and women who patrol the streets. and what we've seen over the past week is unfortunate because it's not the fiber of baltimore and who we are. we need to let justice run its course. the truth needs come out. it will come out. a lot of eyes and ears on this. at the end of the day, it's a search for the truth. >> we've seen officers showing restraint and working to de-escalate situations. >> i want to get eugene back. fairly significant revelation today that that police van that freddie gray was in made a fourth previously unreported stop. we only found out about it because there was surveillance

footage apparently. is the revelation significant? >> it sounds significant, and the way they said it sounds significant. it sounds as though there was an investigation, may have involved in the interviews of the officers and they done say they had the stop. it sounds like they learned through video. will be hard to find an innocent reason. in the light most favorable to the officers, it may well be that they feel that they didn't safeguard him. and that there's -- they're vulnerable to that. >> they didn't mention the stop they were nervous about that -- >> they should have taken care of him. in a much darker light, it could have been something that represents an sthault took place. >> i want to go to rob in baltimore. you were saying in the interview that this isn't the fiber of baltimore p.d. what i want to ask you, though is do you understand even having been a representative of baltimore police do you understand the skepticism within and beyond the city when you look at the statistics, the naacp and the aclu sued baltimore under the

o'malley administration for racial issues around police-involved shootings. the "baltimore sun" did the big investigation and found over 100 settlements related to police brutality over a four-year period. even though the facts aren't in the recent history and facts are in. there would seem to be a problem here, no? >> i think the foundational issue is trust. not only in baltimore but across the country. the police department can't do its job without the community. the community can't be as safe as it needs to be without the police department. i understand the lawsuits. like any organization, there can be training and supervisory issues. at the end of date, it's about truth and accountability. i firmly believe in the model where a department cannot only be an enforcement agency but a quality of life agency and make sure that the resources are brought to the community to make sure they have what they need to be as safe as they need to. i understand your point, a fair point. i believe in the point. right now there's an opportunity for baltimore. not only to get to the bottom of

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back in baltimore, earlier this afternoon i got to check out the cvs that was looted and set on fire monday night. a very different scene there today. we're at the cvs at north and penn. you see it's boarded up. people have made chalk signs, peace for freddie gray here. there a heart love, peace, and unity. that tells you where some of the heart of the community is. on the corner which has traditionally been bustling and vibrant, than many folks out today. we see the mr. speaker usually they've been blocking north

avenue or staging on the side of north avenue. today police at all four corners loose but ready to go with plastic handcuffs. >> reporter: on tuesday when we arrived on the scene, the police were everywhere trying to control the situation. although using restraint, now you see the police falsing back want units have left, and a lot of the vibrancy that is normal to that corner is returning. >> thanks for reporting from baltimore. folks have been watching the issues around the nation including in washington, d.c., where howard fineman is. thanks for joining us today. >> glad to be with you. >> you look at some of what's unfolded today with the police turning over the documentian, conflict -- documentation, conflicting reports that perhaps this individual freddie gray, tried to injure his own spine which has been pushed back by reports. and you get the feeling here that the skeptsthamp people

ingredient this with is warranted. the feeling that police departments don't always do a great job investigating themselves even though the facts aren't known yet. if as i was saying earlier, some of the potential suspects could be within the department. do you think the politics are catching up with the skepticism we see on the ground in sdmunts. >> i think the events in baltimore and elsewhere around the country the last few months put the issue of policing and the relationship between local police and state police all around the country and all the people in cities, but especially african-americans i think is going to be a major issue in the entire 2016 campaign. that was demonstrated yesterday when hillary clinton, who is really given -- really giving her first big policy speech made it about incarceration, prison policy, policing the need for body cameras on all police.

that's all the proof you need to demonstrate the proposition that this is going to be front and center in this election cycle. >> howard do you think the public is putting an unfair expectation on the attorney general and president obama to handle what is a city problem because they're black? >> when i started as a local reporter i covered police in louisville kentucky. i know that policing has always been a local matter. i think as a general policy it should be a local matter. you don't want a vast government distant bureaucracy dealing with the everyday relationships between the police and communities all around the country. that has a totalitarian ring to it. on the other hand laws strive to make sure that there's some respect for the first amendment respect for the constitution, there's respect for the fourth

amendment, the fifth amendment, et cetera. and i think the president and attorney general not only have the possibility but the duty to speak out more this has become a national issue, partly because of smartphones and video cameras, and the fact that every person is a reporter on the streets now. that's brought to the surface an issue that is a national issue, it's just that the different dots weren't connected around the country the way they are now. >> while we have you, you wanted to get your thoughts on another political item bernie sanders. senator from vermont making it official he is running for president. he's an interesting guy no one would call him the front-runner but he has positions that are at odds with hillary clinton. he's taken a strong stand against the new trade deal. he's in favor of expanding social security firmly from the elizabeth warren wing of the party. do you think bern question push hillary on some issues? >> i think he can because he's stepping into what is essentially a vacuum on the left of the democratic party.

he's the first one in. he's a tough character. i interviewed him last year i protoa piece about his possible presidential campaign. and it struck me back then this is now almost a year ago, that he was already in it, already running very hard. he in some ways is a perfect protest candidate on the left for iowa and new hampshire. that makes him a player. that plus he voted against the iraq war back in 2002. so that puts him on the barack obama side of that equation. he's very strong on trade which will be -- will be against the pacific trade deal which will make him popular among labor unions. he's going to pull everything -- he's proposing free college tuition at public universities around the country for everybody which will be popular with people who might volunteer for his campaign. and he's pretty sophisticated in the use of social media. as a matter of fact, i watched his announcement live on my

phone on periscope, a new service that shows you stiff live. he's just the kind of guy who can do more than annoy hillary clinton clinton, and woe unto her if she ends up in a one-on-one debate with her. he's a tough customer. >> i can attest to that. >> i'm glad you're still alive. >> me, too. >> you're vote of confidence on social media means something. a lot of people know you as a star tv analyst and long-time print reporter. you are also an internet reporter. >> true. i try to keep up everything but sky writing. >> thank you. coming up, more on the news of the day including a miracle in the most unlikely of places. news we could all use.

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rubble after being stuck there for five days. this piece of good news is unfortunately the outlier in nepal after the devastating earthquake this past weekend. the death toll continue to rise with officials continuing to warn of worsening numbers. the latest report shows over 6,000 dead and over 11,000 injured. we go to nepal where we have the latest from cattle man-- from kathmandu. >> reporter: officially the casualty numbers keep going up. at least 6,000 or so dead. at least 10,000 injured. 200,000 houses destroyed with almost entire villages gone. the disturbing number of the day came after an exclusive interview with the nepal army chief who told nbc news that the numbers, the death toll could go up to 15,000. now he said that the number is

grim and could surpass the 1934 quakes, death toll of 8,500. nepal is a larger country 28 million. the population dense sit different. the numbers -- density is different. the numbers are different. but from a man at the top of operations, importantly capacity continues to be an issue. the single lane runway at the airport continues to be congested. military officials tell me almost 500 tons of aid have been received until this fifth day of the earthquake. less than 200 tons have been delivered because there's not enough helicopters to lead -- there are doctors sitting on the ground and they need anything birds, helis, anything which will get the aid out to the affected areas. in this grim situation, we've

got a glimmer of hope. a 15-year-old boy rescued from downtown. and hours later a woman in her 20s also rescued. officials on the ground told me that tonight the search continues for two more boys who they hear from -- the boy who was rescued that we heard talking on the ground. there's hope yet that there might be more kids there. >> all right. we'll be praying for everyone there. thank you very much. with the world in occur meanwhile, an issue still on people's minds here is the economy. specifically stop me if you heard this before, income inequality and stagnant wages. as it turns out, all the income going to the top is not only bad for families, it's also bad for business. new article in "women's wear daily" shows how the wage gap has changed the retail business landscape. customers struggle to maintain middle-class status. here with us is the author, deputy editor at "women's wear daily." >> pleasure to be here.

>> what is the status of the middle class? is it degree is it deteriorating, or is it just evolving into something different? >> yes to all three. i think what you're seeing is -- you have 200 million americans in the middle class that have been redefined, and they're seeing their wages household income declining over time. and the people at the top are getting wealthier. i think that gap has a lot to do with what we were watching before in the baltimore and ferguson. i think a lot of the unrest has to do with economic pressures. the future is going to be challenging for businesses. >> i've been in baltimore all week talking to folks and they tell me this is a town that used to have manufacturing, used to have industry. they used to have ships here used to buy cars here. those industries have gone away it make the town look like a microcosm of america. that the industry, the

manufacturing is left, and one of the major industries is the drug industry. we see throughout america manufacturing disappearing. can we maintain any sort of middle class in this country without manufacturing? >> that's a great question. manufacturing jobs pay -- tend to pay more livable wage. when we see the largest growth of jobs being in retail -- retail sector service sector, these are low-paying jobs. >> right. >> manufacturing, we're not seeing the same strength that we did 20 or 30 years ago. that's a challenge. the idea of income inequality has a lot to do with real paying jobs real wage. i think that's a challenge for all americans moving forward. >> how has this changed retail? how are brands appealing to the middle class? you talked specifically about, for example, the millennial generation, they are somewhat unpredictable. a generation that for the most part they're paying off student loan debts.

many are still living with their parents. how are the brands managing all of that? >> they're trying to focus on the millennials. a lot of companies targeting them. as you note they're broke, living at home. one of their favorite brands now over the past year is walmart. i think i mentioned that in the story. they can't afford to shop elsewhere. the ones who do have money, they're fickle when it comes to brands. they're willing to shift and change loyalties is rapid and affects how a retailer will do business. it affects the special tee retailers in particular. the abercrombie and american eagle, the buckle aol -- all of those companies struggle with reaching the customer. >> it's an interesting article. you also talk about how people are choosing experiences over products frequently. and fascinating. thank you very much. >> a pleasure. thank you. up next, the writer who has taken on wall street takes on another scandal that's captivated america. need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7.

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lacrosse scandal. one of the things that is so hard to understand here is the durham district attorney, the guy who was going after the duke had cross players and was ultimately discredited and became one of the villains of the story he had a pristine reputation up until this time. how could he have gotten the facts in the story so wrong? >> that's a big question. the truth it you're right he spent 28 years in the durham district attorney at office. he was an assistant district attorney. he took time off because at one point he had prostate cancer and became involved in the traffic bureau. then he recovered from that, and he became the district attorney because the other district attorney went off to become a judge. he saw the facts of this case as presented to them by the police who investigated them. he believed them. he failed to do his own investigation in a timely manner. he did not talk to the so-called

victim of this crime until it was too late. by then he had gone public and made statements that were not not true. i think it was, he had mistakes. he admit mistakes he made. but believe the crime was committed here and will never know the answer to that. >> the intention with some of these cases, the issues off and on campus is sexual assault understood reported challenges to victim when it is reported and yet, a lot of attention and to some degree part of the book is focusing on the example, the one where the people accused of the sexual misconduct were essentially cleared or not, exonerated. is that a problem to bring attention to here? >> i think for a long time probably the first 200 plus years of our history there was very little reporting about sexual assault on campus.

that now has changed. the pendulum has swung the other way. there's a real problem, i think brewing, where colleges and universities feel that they have to take these accusations very seriously. in fact, they are required to now by department of education decree decree. they're probably not equipped because they're not courts of law. there's no rules of evidence apply with the judicial board and the campus. so they feel like they have to rule on these matters to the point of frankly expelling students who probably shouldn't be expelled. >> they have to adjudicate some sort of process before. >> or even if the law enforcement has decided not to take on the case. i could, i won't get into it but there are cases where the justice department has decided there was no crime or a hospital examining of victim found there was no rape or sexual assault and the schools feel they have to do something because an

accusation was made and have to take action. >> if we look at uva, where of course that famous rolling stones article came out, completely debunked. >> that didn't really happen. >> but if you look more broadly at uva, they have not in the past decade expelled a single student for rape. even instances where they admitted to the rape. by and large, we have the opposite problem. not schools going too far, we have schools doing too little. >> well i could tell you a case at duke university involving a guy named louis mccloud. >> let's not talk about anecdotes. let's talk about overall statistics. you could find anna edward anecdote to support anything. >> there was a period of time none of these cases were reported and now a period of time these are reported much more often, probably not often enough and yet sometimes, believe it or not, people are being expelled who maybe shouldn't be expelled. that doesn't mean --

>> the university doesn't have to meet the same standard as the legal system. >> i think that's the problem. if you have paid a full tuition, over four years and you get expelled, as this person did at duke, two weeks before graduation for the accusation of a crime that was never really proved, then, you know -- >> again you're talking about one anecdote i don't know anything about. >> more broadly, clearly, this is a problem across the board. not just at duke university. it seems like almost all of these cases, the one thing that has always present is alcohol. so is that ultimately the root of this problem and what can you do to solve that? you can't fraternities not to drink. >> i think that's exactly right. i think the root of this frankly is alcohol. excessive drinking binge drinking, you know the drinking age in this country is 21. by and large, everybody on college campus is younger than 21. i have two kids in college.

one of who is 21 and one is 19. this is a problem across college campuses and once you start with the drinking the heavy drinking the binge drinking, all sorts of bad things happen. so colleges and universities are sort of pretending this isn't happening. they're ignoring the fact that everybody, all sorts of underage people drinking on their campuses and leading to all kinds of problems of sexual abuse and other misdemeanor and not misdemeanor crimes. >> certainly not to excuse the bad behavior but important to point the root cause there. what's the recommendation for what schools should do? >> i think the drinking age should be lowered to 19. when i was in college, it was 18. let's make it 19. let's have a period of adjustment for a year. let's take into account the very good points raised by mothers against drunk driving, have a zero tolerance for drunk driving. any alcohol in your blood, then you get your license taken away. but in the meantime you can vote you can go to war, but you can't have a drink until 21? that creates all sorts of problems on campuses. all of which we see play out in

realtime with the sexual abuse cases. direct linkage. >> i definitely agree with that. thank you, appreciate it. >> we're back with tori in baltimore after this. good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves and your first thought is to investigate the company. you are type e*. yes, investment opportunities can be anywhere... or not. but you know the difference. e*trade's bar code scanner. shorten the distance between intuition and action. e*trade opportunity is everywhere. ♪ ♪

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wild within. you know guys there's been a lot of talk about what will happen if there's not sort of public accounting or some public release of information of what happened with freddie gray. the city exploded with anger once again. as i walked through the community, i struggled to find anybody who said they expected a report of some sort of public reckoning to happen tomorrow. so perhaps there won't be a major problem tomorrow but there may be one down the road

because what they also talked about was a deep cynicism and the fact they can't trust the system. and the justice system needs legitimacy to function. without the sense of transparency it's going to be very hard to have a community that respects the system and the people we're supposed to be leading them abbey. >> it's interesting. you've been on the ground but they've been more peaceful than earlier in the week. what is your sense going into friday and the weekend? you're saying that the people you've talked to they didn't expect to get the report publicly. but do you expect to sort of die down from here or still some anger for the weekend? >> reporter: you know, it's hard to know. there's going to be a huge rally here on saturday. i expect that to be peaceful but people are walking through this town with heavy hearts. love in their mind with the cynicism i talked about. so that may not explode this weekend but down the road there may be something. that does it for this cycle. thank you for watching. "now with alex wagner."

she starts right now. senator bernie sanders is in it to win it in 2016. "charlie hebdo" is back at the center of controversy and the supreme court justices get in a heated debate about the death penalty. but first, new details about the arrest of freddie gray. it's thursday april 30th and this is "now." major marches are set to begin at any moment in baltimore. the demonstrations come just hours after baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake sounded defiant at the national action network. >> i know we have problems. and i was determined to fix them. we will get justice for freddie gray, believe you me we will give you justice. we're going to work together because if with the nation watching, three black women at three different levels can't get justice and healing for this community, you tell me