celebratory that the police officers will be facing trial there, innocent until proven guilty. but the fact there have been criminal indictments has given a lot of people hope there will be some sort of accountability for mr. gray's death. "weekends with alex witt" starts now. an illegal arrest and now federal charges for freddie gray. >> america is going to be in shock therapy today to see the mug shots of police officers on television. >> this morning there's an outpouring of joy and relief and new questions about if there was a rush to judgment. live reports ahead. also indictments and a guilty plea. three former allies of new jersey's governor accused of causing a traffic nightmare. plus there's a brand new royal baby. the duchess of cambridge delivers her second child, but was it a boy or a girl?

good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we begin with breaking news it's a girl for the royal family. we got the news just moments ago from the town crier who made the announcement in front of the hospital. >> on this day, the second of may, the year 2015 we welcome with humble duty a second born of the royal highnesses the duke and duchess of cambridge. the princess is fourth in line to the throne. >> the princess was born at 8:34 this morning london time weighing 8 pounds, 3 ounces. the duchess of cambridge and princess are doing well. the queen and the entire royal family are delighted with the news. and joining me now in front of buckingham palace is mr. sykes,

what's the reaction there? >> hi alex. there's a joyous atmosphere down at the palace. which i'm sure you can see behind me the place is absolutely rammed. it is just filling up all morning. and to be honest the announcement came a lot earlier than we thought because she went in at 6:00 a.m. our time. and by 11:00 a.m. they announced she had the baby an hour or two previously. so it sort of caught people by surprise. and people have been coming down here all day. and some people in the crowd are just finding out that she's -- prince george has a new baby sister. so really exciting. there's a new princess in the united kingdom and now the speculation is what will she be called and what will her name be? the palace will announce that name in due course which means in their own sweet time. >> true. so tom, if they have a name,

will they put the name up on that official placard that goes up, i believe shortly, it's supposed to be posted in about 25 minutes there in front of buckingham palace? does it have to go up then or can they wait? >> i'm sorry to tell you, the name won't be on the placard. the placard will just say the information that we already know. the reality is that william and kate we didn't know if this was a boy or girl and you need to look at the kid and really see whether the name is going to suit her. all alex alexandra is a popular name. >> yes, i have given my mother grief over the years. my middle name is elizabeth. does the queen have to approve the name? >> in a sense.

not formally. there's nothing in the constitution saying the queen must approve it but it would certainly be unusual for them to choose a name without checking it first with the queen and checking that she approved of it, yep. >> and tom, last question there has been speculation as to whether or not the name diana would be in this princess' name. i don't think many people put much on it being her first name but is their likelihood it will be one of the two or three names, four sometimes? >> reporter: alex, here's my bet with my cards on the table. i think elizabeth will be in there and i think frances will be in there. that was diana's second name and probably a much subtler, much less controversial name of doing it. so i wouldn't be surprised to see a frances in there. i think the likelihood of lumbering a royal princess with the name diana as a first name i don't think anyone would do that to their kids really. >> tom sykes, great to get the

news from you. we frequently read your blog there on "the daily beast." thank you for joining us on this exciting day. for all of you, we are having much more coming up on the bottom of the hour when the easel will go up atofficially announcing the birth. and six officers were charged yesterday in connection with the death of freddie gray who died in police custody on april 18th. the charges were made public in a stunning announcement by the prosecuting attorney marilyn mosby. >> reporter: what followed the videotape to arrest the attorney was homicide. >> we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> reporter: the stunning announcement less than five days after riots ravaged the city streets. marilyn mosby spoke to gray's family this week. >> i assured his family that no one is above the law and that i would pursue justice on their behalf. >> reporter: detailing the events of april 12th

baltimore's chief prosecutor said gray should have never been arrested and a knife found in the 25-year-old's pocket was closed and legal. >> lieutenant rice officer miller and officer narrow failed to establish probable cause for mr. gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by mr. gray. >> reporter: mosby says police denied medical attention to gray, even when she said he couldn't breathe and asked for an inhaler. moments later gray was placed in leg restraints and then loaded back in head-first onto the floor. >> mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the bpd wagon. >> reporter: the van then stops so an officer can check on gray caught by surveillance cameras, but again no medical help. minutes later mosby says another stop where gray struggling to breathe twice asked for a medic. >> at that time mr. gray asked for help indicating he could not

breathe. the officer asked if he needed a medic at which time gray indicated twice he was in need of a medic. >> reporter: by the fourth stop where officers picked up another prisoner, the prosecutor says gray was unresponsive. >> despite mr. gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for mr. gray at that time by any officer. >> reporter: exactly 45 minutes after gray's arrest she says the van arrived at the western district police station and a medic was finally called. no longer breathing and suffering cardiac arrest, gray was taken to the university of maryland shop trauma center where he died one week later. the six officers including a lieutenant and sergeant are all accused of assault and misconduct. four are also charges with involuntary manslaughter three with false imprisonment. and facing the most serious charges including second-degree murder the officer c. goodson

jr. who could face 60 years in prison if convicted. >> today is a momentous step toward justice. >> let me stay in no uncertain terms that lieutenant rice and all of the officers involved acted reasonably due to accordance with their training as baltimore police officers. we believe that these officers will be vindicated as they have done nothing wrong. >> and that was msnbc's peter alexander reporting. adam reese is outside of baltimore city hall. adam, a good morning to you. talk about a fluxuation of emotions this week. how are people in baltimore reacting to this news? >> reporter: alex good morning to you. the announcement of the arrests brought a change in tone in baltimore. the protests are peaceful and celebratory. let's hear what they have to say. >> she did what she had to do today on tv, but she done it because she had to calm these people down. that's what she done.

she done what she had to do to calm these people down. this ain't even a real problem. it's bigger than freddie gray it's about real estate and them taking the whole baltimore city over and pushing the black community into the surrounding counties. >> it's great right now. as you can see, we have officers, we have people out here peaceful protests. right now i'm just going around just shaking hands with the community and letting them know we feel their pain. that we're out here with them. >> let's speed it up so they can try to get this crisis real quick to have everybody calm down and everybody can go home to mind their business. after that it's going to be -- they wasn't indicted. >> reporter: now the peaceful protests made their way here to city hall but what started well didn't end well. about 10:00 the chopper came overhead to announce the curfew but many here didn't want to leave. so the officers had several arrests. several police officers were injured. some here thought that the officers were particularly aggressive because some of their own had been arrested earlier in the day.

many here want the curfew to be over particularly the businesses so they can get back to, with. alex? >> yeah. in terms of marchs rallies, protests demonstrations, all that scheduled for today, what do you know about that? >> reporter: we expect a rally about noon today and the number of cities across america will have similar rallies. we hope they will be peaceful. alex? >> okay. adam reese, thank you for that. in a harvard, university study of millenials taken last month, 49% said they had little to no confidence that the judicial system can judge people without racial or ethnic biases. the majority of millenials are pessimistic about protests makes a difference. 59% say they don't think the black lives matter movement will be effective in changing the criminal justice system. however, there's an overwhelming majority of millenials and that is 80% who are now supporting the use of police body cameras. they believe that can make a difference.

let's bring in reverend kenji scott, a baptist preacher and baltimore community organizer. reverend, with a welcome to you, let's talk about the difference in what we're seeing in baltimore today versus monday night. first up let's listen to one thing the state's attorney mare lynn mosby said yesterday. >> i will seek justice on your behalf. this is a moment. this is your moment. let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. you're at the forefront of this cause. and as young people our time is now. >> reverend you may have heard in a report leading up to you, that there was a man interviewed on the street who said she has done what she needed to do to calm the people down. how important was it for ms. mosby to reach out to those in the streets protesting for

freddie gray? >> it was very peaceful. because it wasn't just about freddie gray but we are talking about from 2012 to 2015 where we've had five african-american men who were unarmed and died or were murdered by baltimore's city police deny. it was a tremendous relief for all of us just to have the charges. and we understand that we have a ways to go. >> you do indeed because of this city having quite a history of police violence towards the african-american residents. in fact the mayor and the police commissioner last october outlined a plan to try to combat this violence after a baltimore sun investigation found residents suffered battered faces, broken bones during arrests. the city has already paid $6 million in court judgments and settlements in more than 100 civil suits since 2011. you know nearly all the people involved in these instances were cleared of criminal charges, though so do you see yesterday's charges and the

arrest of the officers as a turning point? will this change the relationship between the police and the people of baltimore? >> absolutely not. we have a long way to go. we have a police commissioner who really needs to resign. and we have that growing consent across the city with the ministers, with a lot of the community members. he was hired in 2012 to implement a community engagement as a result of a 2011 case. so we're standing here today, we have the same commissioner place who has done absolutely nothing. we have seen him inside a riot with young people. we instigated what happened on monday by having police in riot gear because of he said/she said rumors. on monday he accused the gang members of going after the police department. and then on yesterday we had what should have been a peaceful riot, were -- i'm sorry, not a riot but a peaceful protest. that at the end of the night, we had young people thrown to the ground by police in riot gear. so we have a long way to go.

we have a president of the fop making subtle threats to the community. he said the police are angry and our jobs are harder. we understood what that language means. we have the fop trying to influence the state's attorney by telling her and saying she needs to re-choose herself because she accepted donations from the defense attorneys and attorneys across the city. every prosecutor we've had, every state's attorney we have had have accepted the donations. these tactics the are why we're in the situation we are in right now. >> reverend there was also a police officer in uniform in a previous report who said we are now standing with the people of baltimore. they are proud to do it. how do you feel about those police officers, is it easy to detect one from another? >> it's not always easy unless we have effective community engagement planning. that's where it starts. i don't think most of them are

anti-police. we recognize like all communities we need police in our community but we don't need police in our community beating the hell out of us. we need police native to our community, police culturally confident and that's what we do not have. we do not have compassionate policing and a non-punitive police engagement plan that works. >> all right. well reverend kinji scott, i'm glad you voiced your grievances and spoken with us on the broadcast. thank you for your time this morning. >> you're welcome. thank you. coming up critics of the top baltimore prosecutor are calling on her to step aside. we'll hear from mosby herself on what is cited as a conflict of interest. and the fight of the century. floyd mayweather and pacquiao face off tonight. we'll have more coming up. ...because it's specially formulated for easy digestion.

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over the last few days somebody said earlier, bishop thomas said it they have never seen a victim. they have never seen a victim. and they have begun to believe that the system could not work for them. so many of them have felt like the system has worked against them. and so again, we are beginning the process. >> some powerful words by maryland congressman elijah cummings on what he sees is the first step to get justice for 25-year-old freddie gray. but now baltimore's top prosecutor is facing criticism for her stunning decision to charge the six officers in his arrest. according to "the new york times," critics accuse ms. mosby of playing politics saying she moved to fast potentially jeopardizing her case. joining me is defense attorney and former prosecutor good

morning to you, karen. it is hard not to compare the timing of the charges to ferguson, but what do you make of them the fact that there was no grand jury involvement? >> that is her choice to make. but alex, we have been talking about these unfortunate cases for many years and one of the big differences or glaring issues is state prosecutors who are elected versus appointed. and whether or not politics plays a part whether you're charging, whether you are more serious about it obviously if you are campaigning and have to raise money and things are very political, you have to worry about getting elected, then public opinion is one of the things to sway you and that's one of the situations we have here. >> so the timing does that factor into the outcome of a trial ultimately? think about it she got the case on thursday from the police. and then brings the charges on friday. >> yeah, it's almost amazing, alex, because especially with the cases, they are so fact-specific and very subjective especially when looking at the facts through the eyes of a police officer.

so the fact that she did this so quickly, you know there's probably a lot of the investigation that still needs to be done. there's very finite details that need to be considered. and yes, murder is a very serious charge. manslaughter with police officers is very serious, but again, we don't know how much the politics was playing into it, but i can tell you, yes, usually these investigations take much much longer. >> yeah. and this is the kind of thing that would take at least a year or so to get to trial as i've read. and also that she's a very uphit uphill battle ahead of her. do you agree with that? >> yes i think she has a weak case and charging her so quickly maybe the prosecutors hope the officers flip-flop on each other or give more information or make deals because it does appear that the case is very weak. at this point, again, alex we don't have all the facts. we don't have all the information. the police reports, nobody has seen, just a few of them. so there's a lot of information out there. and unfortunately when you have

this much media attention, you have conflicting reports, you have information, you have leaks. so until the trial, i don't think that we're going to get the whole story here. >> the police union is asking that ms. mosby has a conflict of interest because her husband could benefit from this. let's hear what she says yesterday. >> my husband is a public servant who works on the legislative side. i'm a prosecutor and also public servant. i uphold the law, he makes the laws. >> should she reuse herself or not? >> a lot of the times we have talked about this in the last three cases, whether or not there should be a special prosecutor, and i think that her husband, it is a conflict. obviously, he's making statements to the press saying he's calling for action. and he happens to be married to the person who is making those decisions. and that is a conflict. so in these cases, i know that we have talked about this before alex these cases,

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placed on the easel. whether or not that has been decided. of course, the royal couple did not know the name of the baby or the sex of the baby. so they probably had a couple names going. and i was told by tom sykes earlier of "the daily beast" that the queen must approve the name. here it is coming up to the easel. let's see if there's a name of this baby princess. that's going to be hard to focus in on that although our cameras are training their eyes, trying to figure it all out. because that of course is the only news that has yet to be broken as to the name of the princess. let's see -- there is no name at this point. so what you are doing is reconfirming the baby has been safely delivered at 8:34 this morning local time in the wing of st. mary's hospital where prince george was born a couple years back.

there it is the official announcement from the palace today giving us the news to the world. apparently that's all trending worldwide. #royalbaby is trending. we thought the baby was due in the last week so she's here. once we get a name we'll let you know. developing now, six baltimore police officers are free on bail this morning. the six were charged yesterday in connection with the death of freddie gray who died while in police custody on april 19th. joining me now, msnbc's ron allen. ron, good morning to you. we hear word about a rally planned for today, what do you know about that? >> reporter: yes alex there are more rallies planned today. there's a prayer vigil happening in about an hour or so here. a lot of gatherings and people coming together to celebrate and protest as well. they're excited and happy and relieved about what happened in the freddie gray case. frankly, we were shocked it came together so quickly. a little leery going forward all this may fall apart because people are still very

distrustful and skeptical of the entire system. but yesterday was an incredible day here. a day of celebration and a day that many thought would never come. at the epicenter of protests not far from where freddie gray lived and died a huge outpouring of joy and relief. juan grant, freddie gray's brother-in-law, says the fight continues. are you satisfied? >> no no i'm not satisfied. they have not been convicted of anything yet. >> reporter: but this is a big step. >> this is a big step. >> reporter: pastor jamaal bryant delivered the eulogy at gray's funeral. did you think you were going to hear this today? >> no america is going to be in shock therapy tonight to see the mug shots of police officers on television. >> reporter: heavily armed police are keeping close watch, shields and weapons lowered. a drawed maic contrast to the confrontations with protestors demanding justice and police

enforcing a curfew. >> we witnessed history and i'm hoping what we're able to do is make baltimore a model for the nation. >> reporter: but the grievances and mistrust of police run deep. young men like tony washington who admits he's had trouble with the law still doubt the six officers who have been convicted of a crime. >> they are going to go through with it and then they are going to say not guilty. >> reporter: but for this moment now, there seems to be a truce between the community feeling vindication and the police. do you think things are going to get better? >> of course. >> reporter: of course. >> of course it's going to get we are. what goes up must come back down and what goes down must come back up. >> reporter: everything turned out to be peaceful there at the intersection. there were a number of arrests later in the evening as police decided to enforce the curfew. in fact it will happen throughout the weekend to make sure things remain peaceful and calm going forward. i think there were as many as 50

arrests around town last night of curfew violators, but it was not a violent situation or a confrontation so much as people staying out after 10:00 to make a point and police removing them from the streets. we'll see what happens today, a big march. a lot of people here expected from out of town this time because certainly this has become an issue of national concern well beyond baltimore. alex? >> absolutely. and the fact it's a weekend day there will be people traveling through to participate. ron allen, thank you for keeping an eye on things for us in baltimore. appreciate that. let's go back to nbc's kelly cobiet in london for us. talk about the excited crowd there with the birth of a princess. >>er >>er. >> reporter: what happy news to hear that a baby has been born. just an hour and a half ago when we were milling about waiting for an announcement to come through on our cell phones suddenly we heard a cheer go out from the royal fans. and, then we had the

announcement it's a girl for prince william and duchess kate. she was born at 8:34 local time in london just two-and-a-half hours after being admitted to the hospital here in london to belinda wing in st. mary's hospital. prince william drove her here from kensington palace arriving at 6:00 a.m. a very quick birth with the baby weighing 8 pounds 3 ounces. kensington palace saying both mother and baby doing well. and prince william is said to be doing well and was at her side for the birth. so what happens next? well, as you mentioned a little bit earlier, the easel will be placed at buckingham palace. traditionally there are gun salutes and bells ringing out on the day of the royal birth. that will now wait until monday this time around. and here at the hospital the big question is when will we see kate and william? when george was born he was born at 4:00 in the afternoon,

kate and william stayed here with him overnight. they received visitors the next day, came out this front door as you'll remember and introduced him to the world posed for a few pictures and took a few questions. we do understand they will come out the front door once again. we don't know if prince george will be with them. and we believe they will stop for some pictures possibly some questions. the big question alex, is when will it be? today because the birth was so quick and so early, or will it be tomorrow in we stand by breathlessly waiting for the answer. >> and then they will travel to their country home they are not expected to go back to kensington palace right? >> reporter: they will come back to kensington palace to await a visit from the queen. then once the queen sees her great grandchild they will

leave for norfolk, outside of london. that's where kate and william said they want to stay. kate is expected to take quite a long maternity leave to spend time with both george and the new baby princess, sort of outside of the media glare and away from her royal duties. she's expected to be away for several months this time around as opposed to after she had george when she was back on the job fairly quickly. >> all right. we certainly wish her well and everyone is celebrating a successful birth of the new princess. what's in the name? we'll find out soon no doubt. kelly, thank you so much from london. the political fallout from log bridgegate. what does it mean for governor christie? that's next. expected wait time: 55 minutes. your call is important to us. thank you for your patience. waiter! vo: in the nation, we know how it feels when you aren't treated like a priority. we do things differently.

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washington bridge issue go unchallenged. i am not guilty of these charges. i never ordered or conspired with david wildstein to close or realign lanes of the bridge for any reason much less for retribution. david wildstein is a liar. >> bridgette kelly there defending her events after being indicted in the alleged role of creating the 2013 bridge pile-up. joining me is a reporter for "the washington post." phillip, good morning to you. let's get to what governor christie said in a newly-released statement saying today's charges make clear that what i've said from day one is true. i had no planning or execution of this act. now 15 months later it's time to let the justice system do its

job. phillip, a prosecutor in this case says he doesn't plan to bring more charges so essentially governor christie is cleared. but how much of an impact could this have on governor christie's chances to join into the 2016 race? >> the impact is already felt. his polling from his peak favorability has dropped 34 points over the course of the past year and a half or so. and part of that is because he's artificially inflated this with his election of 2013 but he is badly, badly damaged by this. and whether or not you're going to do well as a presidential candidate is whether you have had criminal charges filed against you, that's not what you want to launch your presidential campaign based on. and new jersey voters quinnipiac university has done polling, new jersey voters think he's still involved in this thing somehow. there's no evidence he is. there's been a lot of investigation and they have not found anything but if new jersey voters represent the rest of the american voters thinking he had something to do with this

in some way, again, it's bad news. >> okay. let's switch gears here to talk about senator ted cruz once again explaining why he missed loretta lynch's final confirmation vote. let's listen to that. >> i voted twice against loretta lynch being confirmed. there was no significance to the final vote and i had a scheduling conflict. under the senate rules, absence is the equivalent to a no vote. >> phillip, i know you wrote about ted cruz and then senator obama and others who missed a significant amount of votes in this. i look at the list you put together, we have a lot of presidential nominees on this list. so what are we to glean from ted cruz's explanation? >> ted cruz is in full spin mode. he's a politician but trying to explain why this -- he's spoken so forcefully out against loretta lynch and didn't vote against her.

and frankly, the point that he missed that vote is less of an issue that he missed so many other votes. as of last week he's missed 70% of the votes so far this month, which is not doing his job as a senator. part of the reason the presidential candidates are missing the votes is because they are all over the country. barack obama missed the most votes, but part of that is because he was a senator at a time when there weren't a lot of votes being held over the course of the past couple of years. and also he spent an entire year of his time as senator running for president, which most people don't do. >> yeah i said presidential nominees but i should have said candidates as well. we'll talk about bernie sanders and how his entrance shakes it up particularly for hillary clinton. what do you say? >> well, he -- i think he's made more of a splash than people anticipated. there's a lot of pent-up desire for somebody to be the elizabeth warren of the race. now elizabeth warren won't be

running and bernie sanders has been interested and raised $1.5 million over the course of his first day, which is more than people expected. he's kind of surly and has a bad attitude, but people want to send a message. if you think back, new yorkers are familiar to what happened in 2013 sorry, rather 2009 when michael bloomberg ran for his third term and he did worse than people expected because everyone knew he was going to win. bernie sanders may do better in a lot of states just by virtue that everyone thinks hillary clinton will be the nominee so people will be more willing to vote for bernie sanders than they normally would be. >> why are we not talking about martin o'malley any longer? >> he was to baltimore and everyone yelled at him over the riots, which certainly did him no good. i don't know that anyone is spending a lot of time talking about mark o'malley before this week. god bless him, he's a good-looking charismatic guy with now what is turning out to be an iffy track record in

politics and he's running as the most liberally substantial democrat in decades. anyone will have a hard time against hillary clinton. bernie sanders can say i'm this hard-core ultraliberal. and martin o'malley is more in the shadow. >> phillip, thank you so much. president obama's drone policy is under question so far. we'll talk about it, next. inhibition creeps in our world gets smaller quieter, but life should be loud. sing loud, play loud, love loud. dentures shouldn't keep you quiet, life should be ringing in your ears. live loud, polident. you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal...

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obama's revelations that two hostages, an american and italian were killed in a january strike in pakistan. let's bring in journalist chris woods. and retired air force major who piloted unmanned aircraft in afghanistan during the war. chris, i'll reach out to you first, how big a blow was this to the covert program? >> it was a hefty blow. the cia has built its reputation on precision in knowing who its killing. the strike the president had to stand up and tell the nation about that often they don't know who they're killing on the ground. the seriousness was shown by the president taking responsibility for that error. >> major, i know you piloted drones over afghanistan, what difficulties of pilots of remote aircraft face in a combat

situation? >> the biggest thing in a combat situation i would say is just making sure that you're pointing the sensor where the commander on the ground would like it placed. that you're positioning the aircraft in the best possible location to give them what they need in order to accomplish their mission. >> the issue here how difficult is it to distinguish between targets and what could be civilians that are just in the wrong place? >> well in my experience we never really went kinetic. if we did it was in troops in context situation. we spent most of our time doing intelligence gathering. it's -- we would spend days weeks, sometimes months watching a target. and because of that we become pretty familiar with what the patterns of life are. and then we would turn it over

to another organization who would then go in for capture. it was very very rare to actually have to go kinetic during my time in. >> chris, how did all of this start? what point did military leaders decide drones will be the effective alternative to manned missions? >> i think it was a slow process. the first successful drone strike was only about 14 years ago, the first night of the air war to liberate afghanistan from al qaeda and the taliban. and, really for the first five or six years, very few armed drones. the air force a long time before it got its independent capability from the cia. the last few years we've seen a huge ramp up on the use of drones. they can be very precise relative to other weapons. i think the tensions are always around the use of drones in other places like packstantkistan

yemen. two different ways the drones are used one pretty non-contentious, very contentious indeed. >> are pilots of remote aircraft, are they subject to the similar emotional stress of pilots of manned aircraft, and picking up on the word tension, how tense is it when you are actually piloting that aircraft? >> you know some missions could be really boring and some could be very exciting. there is an element of emotional stress. there is some that are unique to the air frame. oftentimes you have to watch the aftermath of combat for maybe hours. which can, you know have an emotional toll. we are all human beings. you know i'm a father. i'm a husband. you know all of us are normal people. where you just happen to do a particular job. and we're very proud of what we do and we do it well.

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