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justice is far from over. the legal battle over the six officers charged in this case is just the beginning with the police union signaling a vigorous defense arguing those officers did nothing wrong. we'll look at both sides of the debate. plus, the royal baby has arrived. they have the heir, now they have the spare. william and kate leaving a london hospital with a new baby girl, but they're keeping the name a secret for now. hi, everyone. welcome to a special extended coverage here on msnbc. i'm francis rivera. baltimore residents have taken to public space s this afternoo in what is being described as peaceful, festive gatherings. participant have gathered outside city hall where speakers are reiterating the need for continued action on behalf of their city and their communities. yesterday's stunning charges against six baltimore city officers involved in freddie gray's death loom over today's

impromptu speeches, all calling for justice for gray. my colleague, richard lui, is live in baltimore there, as the crowds are growing by the hundreds. and yes, the celebration as far as tone there, but caution as well, knowing this is just the first stop in what is to be a long process in getting justice for freddie gray. >> that would be the headline for today, to be cautious as well as to understand that it can still go either way as we move into saturday night. as this rally has been going on, we have seen the crowd only grow. behind me, you can see the crowd. they're hitting probably the 20th speaker, the man who organized this, an activist, just spoke. they could be leaving very soon. and they expected to have up to 20, maybe 30 speakers. they're going to go to another concert, which is close by, after this. that should happen in about 30 minutes. behind me, it's been very quiet. if you will. there's been no conflict. you can see that we have law

enforcement behind us. just a row of maybe 10 or 15 military vehicles as well as other law enforcement officials behind us. earlier, before this crowd gathered, about two hours ago, there was a rally. excuse me, a march that came to this rally, and toure was with them. where are you at right now, and tell us how that energy from the march then filtered into what we're seeing here. >> yeah, richard. it's pretty jubilant, peaceful, though defiant here. we're on the edge of the lawn, the bottom edge of the lawn. there's several thousand people here. this is probably the biggest rally i have seen here in baltimore this week, and there's been a rally every day here in baltimore this week. but you see this crowd, all sorts of folks here. the charges being filed yesterday by the state's attorney's office, richard, did change the mood of folks here. but it didn't change the mood for everybody. i had a chance to speak with

freddie gray's cousin, and she said that the charges don't make her feel better. her cousin is gone, and she said to me, they shackled him like a sha slave, and they didn't care what happened to him. there's not a feeling of peace and relief for everybody, but for most people in the town, there is a feeling of peace and relief and jubilation, and a lot of calls from the stage and others to lift the curfew because folks are willing and ready to protest peacefully now. back to you. >> toure, in the area you're at right now, in this rally, tell me about the sorts of people you have seen. i'm seeing grandmother, i've seen people from all sorts of backgrounds. are they intending to continue on to that concert i was mentioning earlier? >> well, yeah, as you were saying, there's all sorts of folks here. i see a lot of parents here who brought their small children, wanted them to experience a little bit of history. as well, there's a jubilant air, so people wanted to experience

that. there's the music playing here. there's food over there. so people are very happy, the mood is lifted. it's an entirely different city than it was even earlier this week. >> yeah, to say we have seen a shift might not be an understatement. at least for now. this hour, on a saturday. toure, thank you for that report. i want to bring in rashad robinson from color of change. you were with us two hours ago. we're two hours later now. are you surprised by what has happened? >> i'm -- well, i'm happy people are staying out here. they're listening to the speeches. the speeches are really focusing a lot on organizing. what are going to be the next steps. not just sort of that we're happy about the charges that are filed, but that we have to organize. we have to register to vote, we have to turn out and we have to fix a broken system. each and every time a black person is harmed or hurt by a police officer, we shouldn't have to organize and take to the streets. the system needs to be reformed from top to bottom. what we're going to be seeing around the country, in cities

around the country, is this black spring movement of people taking to the streets. and pushing for structural reforms. >> you said black spring. now that we have this in baltimore and we had ferguson, trayvon martin as well. is this the first time you're using that term, black spring? >> this is a term that we are using. to talk about this new movement, this new movement of everyday people who are coming out and turning out. we have deep cultural presence on this issue now. people care about it in ways they haven't. but that doesn't mean we're going to get the policy changes, the type of changes that five years from now or ten years from now, we can look back and say communities aren't investing in policing. they're investing in education. they're investing in health care. >> doing my job for a second. what's the headline from what you have seen today? just one sentence. >> communities auptd miy ies op rejoi rejoices, but looking for change. structural change. >> thank you. we expect it to wrap up shortly and we'll be visiting with you

in another ten or 15 minutes and we'll tell you what that's like as they perhaps start to filting away. >> i'm very curious, i want to ask you what the sendment there among members of the public in baltimore. when we saw the images of the actual six officers, some may be surprised to know some of the officers were african-american, and we've heard so much of the racial tension, the mistrust between the community. between african-americans, especially with the white officers. is there any sentiment now knowing that three of the officers charged, and even the driver, the harshest charged there of second degree murder, officer goodson, they are african-american? >> that has been discussed. i was speaking with a group of 20-year-olds, kevin, i asked him the question, what do you think of the charges that came down yesterday? what they said is the issue about this is humanity. that's the word that was used repetitively. gabrielle said that as well.

it's not about white or black. what they're looking at is how do we treat a certain group in the community? and the way they described it here, francis, is you know, where i live, every other four houses are the only houses where people live in. the supermarket that i go to closed down. i now have to go 30 minutes to go shop. but i like that because the supermarket i had to go to before was horrible. that was her words. so the situation really is look at the dire situation they're in. this is not necessarily about racial differences. it is more, at least the way they're describing to me, about humanity and understanding that there is a group of people here that needs attention, and that needs help. >> all right. taking the first step there in what they're calling the victory rally outside baltimore city hall. richard lui, thank you very much. we'll hear from you later on. baltimore is just an hour's drive from washington, d.c., and president obama weighed in yesterday on the charges against the six police officers

implicated in freddie gray's death. >> it is my practice not to comment on the legal processes involved. that would not be appropriate. but i can tell you that justice needs to be served. >> nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker joins us from the white house with more on the president's reaction. he was clear in saying he couldn't comment on the legal process, but what is the president saying? >> well, francis, president obama also saying that the non-violent protests should continue. and he's calling on everyone to let the legal process play out. here's a little bit more of what he had to say. take a listen. >> what i think the people of baltimore want more than anything else is the truth. that's what people around the country expect. >> now, president obama and top officials here at the white house have been in constant contact with officials in baltimore and maryland over the past several days.

president obama frequently gets a lot of pressure to speak out, to take action whenever you see an african-american male die in one of these confrontations with police. his reactions have really been varied. you'll recall in the wake of trayvon martin's death, president obama spoke very emotionally, said that trayvon martin could have been him. he also called for improving community policing throughout the country in the wake of ferguson. president obama set up a task force and also called for body cameras to be distributed to law enforcement officials all across the country. that's a slow-going process that needs fund, but on friday, the department of justice announced the first pilot program, $20 million toward that end, towards supplying body cameras to law enforcement officials throughout the country. president obama continuing to monitor the situation quite closely, and i think you will continue to see a measured response from the president while he let the legal process play out.

francis, back to you. >> kristen welker, we thank you for that report from the white house. thank you. of course, we will stay on that in baltimore, and bring you more throughout the hour here. >> now we're going to turn to london where after weeks of anticipation, duchess kate gave birth to a baby girl. the new arrival whose name hasn't yet been announced joins big brother george who is almost two years old. kelly is at kensington palace. a whole lot of pink and the new princess, i'm sure, will be having a wrap in pink blankets on her first night home. >> that's right. yes, a whole lot of pink throughout london tonight. the landmarks are being lit up in pink. the city decorated in pink. the country celebrating the birth of a princess. the princess of cambridge. we don't know her name yet. we could know as early as tomorrow. the entire event took place over the span of just 12 hours. early this morning at about 6:00

in the morning, london time, prince william drove kate to the hospital. she was said at that point to be in the early stages of labor. just two and a half hours later, we learned a baby girl had been born. kensington palace sending out the announcement in a tweet saying she was healthy, 8 pounds, 3 ounces, and of course, a baby girl. fourth in line to the throne. we also saw today our first video, moving pictures, of prince george. he was brought to the hospital to meet his younger sister. prince william bringing him out of the car this afternoon. he took one look at the cameras, with the help of his father, of course, gave a wave to the media standing in front of the hospital. then took a walk inside to meet his baby sister. so of course, the big question now is, what will the name be? and when will we learn? there are several options that have been floated out there.

of course, betted on. charlotte, alice, elizabeth, and victoria. as i said, francis, we could know as early as tomorrow. >> could be very quick. again, as many parents have had two kids will know, the second, everything is always a little faster and easier. kelly outside kensington palace, thank you very much. up next, we'll take you back to baltimore where rallies have shifted from violent to festive. plus, a huge night in sports. we'll have a preview of the pacquiao/mayweather fight. dubbed the biggest fight of the 21st century.

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for the curfew to be lifted, saying they want their baltimore back, richard. >> that's the debate, will they lift the curfew. it's now saturday, and there is one side that's saying it's saturday night. we need to be careful. there's a big fight tonight, the floyd mayweather/manny pacquiao fight. the other side is saying let's do this because the economy, the businesses need to get back to work. in fact, one of the headlines in the "baltimore sun" today was asking that very question. with the number of problems that have been moved or canceled with the number of conferences canceled in the month of may, with wedding said as we were talking earlier, with a very young couple. they had to cancel their evening and banquet tonight here in baltimore. there's that side of the argument where they're saying when we're seeing receipts go down by 50%, 60%, 70%, how do we get back to at least being able to pay our employees, getting the pay rolls down, and bringing the receipts for the business owners in the area? also, wib the last several

hours, stephanie rawlings-blake did visit the cvs. you remember on monday when we were -- we had those live pictures all throughout the afternoon of that cvs that was being looted and then later put on fire there on north and pennsylvania. and that was right around 2:00 or 3:00, when the high school not too far away, i believe across the street h just let out. she was visiting that cvs today. there were no comments made about the curfew, so no doubt, that is one of the questions that's going to be debated. as i was speaking with one of the councilman about an hour and a half ago, they were saying the next meeting is on monday. in the next two days as they hit day seven and day eight since the monday explosion there at the cvs that the mayor was at, that is one of the issues. so francis, we're starting to hit a peak. we're now two hours into the rally, and nobody is losing energy here so far. >> all right. as we see there, with many

people passionate, very emotional, speaking on the stage, revving up the crowds that continue to grow. we'll continue to follow this victory rally, as it's called, in baltimore. let's listen a bit to this woman speaking again, so much passion, like a mom there speaking. let's listen. >> my ancestors fought for this country, too. wakia did not get an indictment, women are murdered, just as men. men need to acknowledge us. acknowledge us. >> tears there. almost close to tears, this mother speaking about rakia, she didn't get an indictment. obviously speaking to a loved one who was murdered with no indictment. part of what's called this victory rally in baltimore, as that continues this afternoon.

we'll continue to watch it and bring you more from baltimore throughout the next hour here. now, turning to a big day in the sports world. less than three hours to go before one of the year's biggest sporting events. we're talking about the kentucky derby. churchill downs already teaming with activity for much of the week as horses and jockeys get in shape for the big day, and fans started amassing there at 8:00 with hats in place, mint juleps in hand. we know we're just a couple hours away. a lot of it is really about the prerace partying, too, as much as those crucial two minutes of sports, rob. >> the prerace party is in full swing now. i think you can say. everybody who is coming is probably here. it is a beautiful day. just a light breeze coming through churchill downs. they're expecting a record crowd. they think they have a big chance to break the all-time record of 165,000 people that was set back in 2012, because

we've got a beautiful day, and you've got some great horses in this race. a couple of co-favorites, both trained by the same man, bob baffert, a man who won the kentucky derby three times. he's got american pharaoh, the favorite right now at about 3-1, and his stable mate also trained by bob baffert, going at about 4-1. those are the favorites and there's a lot of excitement. everyone here is in a great mood. >> all right. thanks so much for being with us. rob simmelkjaer, thank you very much. i hope you're not hit too much by some of the great hats out there. that's something to dodge, too. thanks, rob. the kentucky derby may be the first leg of horse racing's triple crown, but it's the second leg of a sports trifecta happening today. the first leg is a day three of the nfl draft, which is going on as we speak in chicago. and the final leg is tonight in las vegas, the floyd

mayweather/manny pacquiao fight, one of the most anticipated boxing matches in decades. rob motte is in vegas for the huge event. ron? >> well, good day from las vegas. it is heating up here, and it's not just from the sun. big fight tonight behind me at the mgm grand. lots of people in town for the big fight, including a lot of a-list stars. thigfight, when that final bell rings tonight, could top $400 million. both of these fighters expected to haolloway nine-fig checks. tickets are almost impossible to get unless you have deep pockets. normally the a-list celebrities are used to getting comped. not so with this fight. over in the philippines where manny pacquiao is a sitting congressman, the pay-per-view is free. everyone is watching the fight there for free. they asked people to turn their lights off to conserve electricity. they don't want to have a black out over there tonight with the big foig on the line. floyd mayweather, according to some media reports, if he wins

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and a half hours in, the emotional peak. however, we've had another 36 minutes ahead of us. we're also just learning in terms of the forces that are now being put together here in baltimore from the governor larry hogan and what he's bringing together in terms of state resources some numbers. i wanted to share that with you. national guards, 3,000 soldiers and airmen authorized using more than 150 vehicles. maryland state vehicle, 578 state troopers. 283 law enforcement from pennsylvania, and 149 from new jersey. the food bank also out in force. we're hearing in various communities here, giving away upwards of 50 to 1,000 pounds of food. that is really that layer, that fabric that's happening here in baltimore. it's not only the law enforcement efforts that are happening, not only the rally you see behind me. you also have the families and communities. we can't forget that there are many areas that do need food assistance.

with me, one of the councilmen. thank you for being here. tell me about how other communities are -- i was mentioning the 50,000 pounds of food given out by food banks in various communities here. >> folks and especially in west baltimore, councilman mosby, senator pugh, have done a great job of coordinating with folks. we appreciate that. that's a need as well because people need food. they need medicines, they have to be transported to get medicines. this is truly a crisis incident for some neighborhoods in the city. >> monday, you have your first council meeting since this past monday. what are the two things that you're going to ask for? >> well, monday, we continue this conversation, and for me, actually before this, last monday, i introduced a bill that's going to have a hearing for us around our police vans and whether we need to put cameras in the vans, whether we should privatize the vans. those are the conversations we're going to have because this is not just a quick fix.

these are things we have to work on for the next years to come. in order to make baltimore the best place it can be. >> you have been with us, sharing this rally and all the speakers. some are from even california. many are not from baltimore. there has also been the question of those who have been participating in some of the protests, whether they're home grown or they're from other places. what's your sense of what you're hearing today and some of the speak speakers. >> we know some are from out of town, some local organizers who were said to be part of the group. they're going to be here. we have to let the dust settle, let the circus atmosphere go away and see who's still here to do work. we have great organizers around things like this, like leaders of a beautiful struggle, who led a peaceful march the other day. there are going to be a lot of folks here. we'll have to have everyone step up to do more. there's going to be many lanes for many needs for changes.

>> the mayor was just at the cvs where this began, at least the latest wave on monday. she was walking through, taking a look at the damage now a week later. she did not make any comments about the curfew. tell me about conversations that you may have had with her, and as you have watched her today at a cvs, what's going through your mind about what she should do next. >> most of the city wants the curfew lifted for many reasons. we know outside of the peaceful protests, we have seen the de-escalation, everything turn to peace, so a lot of folks including myself would like the curfew lifted. we know that the mayor and governor have to look att safety reasons. we know the mayor is great, and she's out in the community and she's hearing some same thing, and on top of everything else, the biggest boxing match in recent history is happening tonight, so the city is anxious about things around that. we're hopeful to move forward with the curfew, but they'll make that decision and determination. it's not up to me. >> thank you so much, councilman. >> also, in the middle of the

crowd behind me, amanda, as we were speaking just this hour, we heard a very impassioned speaker, and i was saying at the top of this that i thought she hit the emotional peak so far of the last two and a half hours. what was the reaction where you were at? >> i think it was a definitely a gripping speech that was happening. there's so much solidarity here. i have met so many people from across the country, from california to new york, there are many out of towners here who came here in solidarity to stand for this protest. i also spoke to a father who has lived in baltimore for the last 25 years, and he said he had been following freddie gray's case since the very beginning and he made sure to come out the first night of uprisings last saturday. he also wanted to make sure his two sons came with him. he's a father of five young men and he wanted to make sure they saw what was going on. he believes this will be the next civil rights movement of

his sons' generation. we're seeing all this hope. there's a lot of optimism out here, many people were very, very glad to see the charges brought against the six police officers. but now they're pressing for more. they want to see convictions. and that, those answers will not come for months, maybe even over a year from now. this is the time that they say to be gathering that momentum to keep the movement alive. >> now, amanda, you have spoken with dozens of people over the last five or six days. how are the conversations, the ones you were describing, different from the ones you had in previous days or if they're the same? >> you know, i think there's a shifting sense of optimism now. before, there was a bit of confusion and the mystery that was surrounding this entire case. it was really kind of boiling beneath the surface. now i think that simmer is still there, and people are saying that they want to go out and protest later tonight, that they want to go marching on the streets. we'll see what happens. right now, things are very

peaceful. it feels like a block party. there's a group here called food not bombs and they're handing out food to everyone, and it feels like a very strong community that is coming together, that sense of solidarity is really running through the middle of the crowd. >> and there's a lot of pieces of information, of course, coming together, as that narrative perhaps takes a turn. i remember when ron allen was reporting from nbc news on monday, how his question that he put out there, the beginning, the middle, or wherever, and that was a tough question to answer on a monday. what's the sense that you've got in terms of where we are in this process? >> i think now is a time for healing. many actually don't like the idea that healing. they want this to keep this moving and keep it open, but i think right now, people are a little shocked to see the charges that came yesterday. and now they're wanting to make this more of a national issue as well. this isn't just baltimore. as we were saying. this is an issue that we have

been seeing so many other cities, and that's why we're seeing so many people come from out of town and come here. so this has been a very interesting dynamic here today. it's been so joyous, earlier, there was music. people were dancing. we saw the wobble happen in u unison. it's been a light and arid feeling here that was not the same that we saw over the past week. >> msnbc right in the middle of the grassy knoll in front of the courthouse and city hall. as we look at that, this is really the two sides. one side, as i was speaking with the one grandmother, let's not forget why we're here, freddie gray. the other side saying let's see how we can make the next steps and move forward and come up with solutions and new structures. 30 more minutes, we expect, we'll be here. >> we know you'll be watching it, as will we for any developments and updates. richard, thank you very much. it took more than a year,

but the u.s. attorney in new jersey finally announced indictments in the bridgegate scandal. chris christie wasn't implicated in the indictment, but will the scandal haunt him as he decides whether to run for president? annie litsky is a political reporter for the boston globe. thanks for being with us. >> hi. >> let's start with this david walt steen who cut a deal with prosecutors who said he conspired in bridgegate. he claimed he had proof that chris christie knew about the lane closures. he was part of christie's inner circle. how credible is that? what proof is he talking about? how credible is it, and is he credible? >> it's unbelievable. reading through the stories on this and reading the real documents, it's incredible. he absolutely has credibility to make that claim. and when you look at the e-mails and just think about the broken public trust in this, that's been revealed in this case.

you were had a segment on baltimore, which is also about broken public trust, and in this situation, absolutely, it's completely laid bare that the public's trust was broken by these people who claimed to be public servants. >> interesting to see how far up the chain this goes. e big question -- >> absolutely. >> chris christie has maintained he knew nothing about it, even just speaking before the indictments, this is not about me. he spoke out yesterday after the indictments were announced saying he was vindicated when he said he wasn't involved in the scandal. is he speaking too soon as he's looking ahead to 2016, how much can this hurt him? >> it's already hurt him. you saw there was a great story on politico today about how jeb bush is moving in to new jersey and trying to vacuum up his donors and those local, and lawmakers who had supported christie in the past. i think there's no question that this, in addition to the many fiscal problems that new jersey has had, this is just another

piece of what is an emerging picture of a person whose leadership has not been quite what he has said it was going to be. so it is absolutely a problem for him and his presidential ambitions. >> how is that going to happen, when he's got fires here with bridgegate, jeb bush going on, when is he going to reach the decision and say he'll make it official or not if he's going to run for president? >> he said it would be in the next few months. and you, certainly, when he goes to new hampshire, he looks like a presidential candidate, but you see this lane that he occupies of the sort of moderate republican and the establishment republican. has so many other choices this time around, and choices that are appealing to the big money donors who really want to see a republican in the white house. >> sure, that clock is taking, and time is money when it comes to donations there and raising that much needed. >> absolutely. >> we will see.

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power, wi-fi and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. welcome back to our special extended weekend coverage. i'm francis rivera. for many americans, their first glimpse inside baltimore wasn't this week but more than a decade ago when hbo's award winning series "the wire" debuted in 2002. while it was a fictional series, the wire did take a real look at a complex relationship between the police, the community, and poverty in the city of baltimore. this week, "the wire's" creator was asked how to turn the city around after monday's riots. his response, we end the drug war. joining me is tim lynch. thank you for being with us, sir. i want to start with you, with an editorial in the baltimore sun that was titled the drug war

killed freddie gray. so help us connect the dots here. in essence, we have the six officers charged and some would say they're the reason freddie gray is dead, but tell us how the drug war stemmed it all. >> the people protesting in baltimore are, you know, it's not just about freddie gray. it's about how the police interact with minority neighborhoods. and i think david simon hits the nail right on the head, because so many of the overwhelming confrontations between our city police and these minority men in our cities, you know, it's not about solving a burglary case or a rape case or an automobile theft. we're having these violent confrontations because the police are searching for drugs and trying to make drug busts. the police are often evaluated by the number of arrests they make and the drugs they seize.

it's not just a war on drugs. it's a war on these minority neighborhoods. that's why you have this festering resentment in so many cities against their police departments. good if you look at history during the time martin o'malley was mayor of baltimore there, and he's touted those claims that in that ten-year decade, that he had changed it as far as improving crime rates there. how do we stem that as far as looking back and saying when was the shift of the improvement in the streets and making it a little more safer, but yet we see the struggle there with crime, especially with drugs? >> right, well, crime has come down all across the united states, but that doesn't justify some of the heavy handed police tactics that we have seen in new york, baltimore, and many of the so other cities like the stop and frisk tactics that again is one of the main grievances in our minority neighborhoods. these are tactics that are used in the poorer sections of the

cities that are not used in the suburbs and would never be tolerated in white middle-class suburbs. the complaints that started to arise in new york city over stop and frisk, same thing happened in baltimore with the stop and frisk tactics and the false arrests during the o'malley administration. it's why there are these simmering resentments in cities all across the united states, not just in baltimore. >> just a facet of the calls for change that so many people are saying is needed there in the streets of baltimore. we thank you for that. tim lynch, director of katdo's institute for justice. >> thank you. we'll take you back to the victory rally under way right now in baltimore. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness, itching, swelling,

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died from a spinal cord injury sustained while in police custody, hundreds continue to rally in his honor today in baltimore. tonight, the city will once again be under curfew at 10:00 p.m. for the fifth consecutive night. back with me is my colleague richard lui. he's there in baltimore, as the rallies are taking place. r richard, the announcement of the charges against the six officers, we heard a reaction from freddie gray's mother saying, freddie, you can rest now. indication of where she is or freddie gray's family is as the victory rally is taking place and growing here at city hall? >> i'm showing you these pictures because we had members of the freddie gray family here earlier.

as far away as from oakland, california. in fact, he was one of the first speakers about two and a half hours ago. but i want to just reflect very quickly, and summarize what we have seen in the crowd today. they have been very organized, very attentive to what's happening today. they have either sat and listened to every word that was coming from the speaker or they have raised their hand in support of the speakers themselves. one of the rallygoers is with me from the metropolitan baltimore area. some of the rallygoers are saying we can't even trust the elected officials to represent what we want, that they're only coming to the microphones today. how would you react to that statement from some of the fellow rallogoers with you tonight? >> i can understand the sentiments, however i do feel that all together, these people really do have their best interests at heart. i feel that a real, live conversation does need to take place so that their thoughts and feelings are reflected, but in the meantime and in the interim, the elected officials are doing

the best they can in order to move forward and protect their city and the citizens who are truly hurting. >> why are you here today? >> i'm here today because i want to be a person who is actually active. i don't want to be the social media advocate who is just talking about it. i actually want to be a part of the solution. whether that's being a helping hand by volunteering, passing out food, or just being here to support with my presence. >> you were at i guess a food pantry passing out food in area wheres the supermarket is no longer open. tell me about the sign you're holding here. >> a list of people who have been murdered by police, starting from 1998 until present time. so there's a brief list of those people here on this sheet. >> thank you for coming by to stop and talk with us. >> no problem. >> appreciate it. as you can see, they're starting to filter out. now, they will head to what is a concert that is already ongoing, we have been told. that's very close by.

some of them streaming right by us as well as right here on holiday and i believe gay street streets right behind us. this is not the end of the day. it's been a long start because noon is when many of the rallygoers, the marchers started when they made their way to the square in front of city hall. >> the hope is they will stay peaceful. thank you very much. joining me now, paul butler, former federal prosecutor. we thank you for being with us. we want to get started with this. we have a focus now on the six officers charged, as caesar goodson, who drove the van, he faces the harshest charge of second degree murder here. how is that going to be when it comes to charging that and proving that that was the case, the weapon was the van, but we still don't know what exactly happened to freddie gray in the van. >> this prosecutor just didn't announce charges against the officers. she threw the book at them.

we've got murder 2, man slautder, even them being charged with making a false arrest or false imprisonment. she didn't say what her evidence is. the investigation was two weeks. again, she's got more time, because she's going to take the case to the grand jury. so just announcing the charges doesn't mean that the investigation is over. just mean s she thinks she has probable cause to take the case to a jury. >> let's take it further down the road, how easy or how tough is it going to be to get a fair trial, like right now, we're talking about it. members of the community in baltimore have seen their streets and their town go up in flames with rioters. how tough will that be? >> the biggest decision in this case is going to be the judge who gets the motion to change venue. so all six of these lawyers are going to ask the judge to try the case someplace else. and of course, baltimore isn't going to like that. so that's going to be a really difficult decision. but that could determine how this case goes. if you want to try police

brutality, baltimore is the place to try it. you want baltimore jurors. >> a long way to go before then, but at least your perspective when that happens. thank you for your time. that's our time on msnbc. we'll be back after the break with continuing coverage ahead. ú

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woooooah you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow top of the hour here. a rally just wrapping up right now in baltimore. speakers celebrating the arrests in the death of freddie gray, but learning that the fight for justice is far from over. now, a march is getting under way, and also many of the crowds there are heading to a concert to continue tonight on this fifth consecutive night of the 10:00 curfew. hi, everyone. i'm francis rivera. welcome back to extended coverage on msnbc as we continue with baltimore residents who have taken to public spaces in what's described as peaceful, festive gatherings starting earlier this afton