and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too. this sunday, beyond baltimore. the unrest in american cities. >> police officers are out of control. >> six baltimore police officers charged in the death of freddie gray. >> no one is above the law. >> what needs to be done. i'll be joined by the mayor of baltimore stephanie rawlings-blake and former mayor and governor of maryland. >> health care reform and the front-runner for the democratic presidential nomination. >> when i say hillary clinton, what do you say? give me a word. first thing that comes to mind. and chris christie allies indicted in the bridgegate scandal. can the new jersey governor make it to the republican presidential primary?

i'm chuck todd. joining me this sunday morning are our own tom brokaw, april ryan, a baltimore native. kimberly strossell of "wall street journal" and wes moore. a veteran and baltimore native. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." good morning. the mood in baltimore markedly changed following a week of violence and unrest that culminated in the charging of six police officers over the killing of freddie gray. yesterday's protests were largely peaceful but there were a small number of arrests after dark as some protesters attempted to defy the evening curfew. baltimore remains a deeply divided city with major problems of poverty and inequality. this is a national problem. americans are deeply pessimistic about the state of our cities. we have a brand-new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll out this morning.

96% of those folks we surveyed expect more racial disturbances this summer and 54% believe those disturbances will occur near where they live in the closest big city to where they live. in a moment i'll be joined by the mayor of baltimore. first a reminder why her city became the focus of global attention. from protests and violence to celebrations, a city still under curfew. patrolled by the national guard. >> we have possible cause to file criminal charges. the manner of death deemed homicide by the maryland state medical examiner. >> six police officers, three white and three black, were charged friday in the death of freddie gray. state's attorney marilyn mosby accuses the officers of awe resting -- arresting gray illegally, ignoring his pleas for medical help, and failing to put a seat belt on him. >> mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury being handcuffed, shackled by his feet

and unrestrained inside the pbd wagon. >> the chargest run the gambit from assault, false imprisonment, involuntary manslaughter. all of the officers have been released on bail. >> there will be justice for mr. gray, his family and the people of baltimore. >> the police union is defending the officers for now and demanding a special prosecutor take over the case. >> we believe these officers will be vindicated as they have done nothing wrong. >> i'm joined by the mayor of baltimore stephanie rawlings-blake. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning, todd. >> let me start with the curfew. is it possible you will lift this curfew in the next 24 hours? >> we are looking at that right now. i'm very pleased that for the most part every day you've seen peaceful protests. but this is a decision that has to be made in collaboration with all of the public safety forces

on the ground. we are going to make that decision. >> a state senator named bill ferguson, a baltimore democrat, i'm sure you know him well. he said this, it is having a negative impact in our communities and businesses. it's transformed into another symbolic issue. the community expressed its desire to move peacefully and the public sector should respond in kind. what do you say to him? >> we try to be responsive to all the concerns. i heard from the community that said, look, we had these peaceful protests, we want to get back to normal, but the same way that you ramp up into a curfew in a state of emergency with an executive order from the governor, you have to ramp down. with the same people who were in town last saturday that participated when the protests went from peaceful to destructive, they were back in town and there were significant public safety concerns. >> you still believe there are public safety concerns today and something you're worried about tomorrow.

>> i'm hopeful. what we saw last night was a peaceful demonstration. it wasn't anything like what we had last sunday. i'm taking a look at having conversations with all of our public safety partners. so we can get back to normal. everyone wants to have that sense of peace and calm back in our city so we can heal. that's going to be my focus this week. >> do you regret using the phrase "space to destroy?" >> i certainly think it was taken out of context. let me say this. i'm from baltimore. my parents are from here. i'm raising my daughter here. i'm a public defender. as city council person, as mayor, i've always worked to strengthen my city. we fought to get those stores in our communities. i would never condone rioting. just period. i would never condone it. >> you wish you didn't use that phrase?

>> i certainly used the wrong phrase to talk about what was clear, that there were people who took advantage of the peaceful demonstrators' first amendment rights. they used it to destroy our city. i don't condone it and we'll make sure those individuals will be held accountable. >> you said that the other day. do you have a task force that is going to monitor, you said there's all this videotape of people that looted. and you were going to hold them accountable. is that the plan? you're going to have people go through all those videotapes and arrest these people? >> absolutely. we already started identifying people. we are working with the stores that have videotapes themselves, the mall has videotapes. we have a lot of evidence that we'll be looking through. we are looking forward to working with other public safety partners that have better facial recognition technology so we can quickly identify these individuals and bring them to justice. i do not condone the type of violence and destruction we saw in our city.

i'm going to make sure they are brought to justice. people in the communities are hurting because of the destruction that was done. i am doing it for our city and in their name to bring peace and calm and justice for those community members. >> you referenced one of the businesses that made it into one of these communities, in particular, cvs. one of the protest organizers said, "had it not been for the youth burning that cvs, we would not have had charges yesterday." he is referring to the surprise to a lot of people that you were prepared, and the state attorney was prepared to bring charges against those police officers, but is this protester right without the burning of a cvs we wouldn't have seen charges friday against those officers? >> i think that statement is totally misguided and untrue.

i pledged to do everything i could to have a thorough and transparent investigation, and give all of that information to the state's attorney, so she could do her investigation and make charges. we saw that is exactly what happened. what happened with the rioting and destruction of cvs was senseless. what it is doing is destroying neighborhoods. it's making it difficult for our seniors to get their medicine, to get food. now we are working to repair that damage that was done. we have stations that are giving out food. we have working with the health department to get people connected with their prescriptions. that's the result of the cvs burning, not the charges that were brought. >> your leadership has been critiqued over the last week, including your pastor, reverend todd yeary. he said this of your church. some folks had the impression the mayor has been indifferent and aloof and that the governor, referring to larry hogan, has been more active coming into save baltimore from its

inclination to implode. what do you say to your pastor to that characterization? >> everyone has their opinion. that's really not my focus. as a leader i'm focussed on bringing us through this crisis. you have to remember chuck, when i came into office it was a national -- we are already the face of a national scandal. that's how i got into office. i know how to lead our city through tough times. that's what i'm going to do again. i'm going to focus on healing our city and making the decisions i need to make in order to get us forward and get us through this unfortunate crisis. >> how should you be judged? >> i don't think any elected officer can say how should you be judged? i'm judged on what i've done. we have a track record in baltimore confronting the issues

and you cannot heal until you acknowledge there is a problem. i've talked on your show about the fact that in baltimore, we're dealing with reforming our police department. i acknowledge that we have work to do. that's why we instituted police brutality reform. that's why i asked the department of justice to work with us in a collaborative fashion to reform our police department. we have a lot more work to do, but it starts with acknowledging the problem. i am a leader that was willing to acknowledge that we had this problem and work to fix it. >> mayor rawlings-blake, thank you for your time this morning. thanks for coming back on "meet the press." >> thank you. here is a sample of what some baltimore residents told us needs to be done to fix the city. focus on education. that's why you are seeing as many people, young black boys on the streets today because they have lack of education which charged them with nothing else but be on the streets.

>> it has been systemically disinvest disinvested. we have to come back to economic development, human development and community development. >> my son is 3 years old. that's all he wanted to watch was news the other day. he is scared of the policeman. what is he supposed to do when he grow up? >> don't feel like nobody in politics has our backs. we do what we do and look at the tension we've got. baltimore now is the corner stone for protecting the police brutality. >> the politicians, the police officers the clergy in baltimore, they can't address the problem because they haven't identified it. you can't find results to an issue that you don't know about. so as soon as we can fix communication and get everybody on one accord, then you'll see more progress. >> joined by the former mayor of baltimore and former governor of maryland martin o'malley who is weighing a bid for the

democratic presidential nomination. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> he said politicians won't have the answers because they can't agree on what the problem is. what do you think the problem is? >> i think the problem is the fact that we have built an economy that's leaving whole parts of baltimore, philadelphia, new york, so many citizens behind. a lot of people, i was giving out food there at st. peter's in the aftermath of this unrest. there are people in whole parts of our cities who are being totally left behind and disregarded. they are unheard. they are told they are unneeded by this economy. that extreme poverty breeds conditions for extreme violence. people are frustrated. they're angry and they feel like people aren't listening. >> 1999, martin o'malley said this running for mayor, "as much as we like to think poverty is the cause of crime, crime is the cause of poverty." people were talking about your focus that was on more policing to deal with the crime issue. you talked about the drug issue back then.

looking back, what would you do differently? >> looking back, i mean the fact of the matter was 1999, the main issue holding baltimore back was the fact we allowed ourselves to become the most violent, addicted and abandoned city in america. we had a conversation through a long, hot campaign about not only how to improve policing in baltimore, but how to improve how we train and police the police. so we followed through on that pledge. i was elected with 91% of the vote of my neighbors, the major majority of an african-american city. we greatly improved drug treatment and thanks to the work continued today under mayor stephanie rawlings-blake, we cut crime in half. this is a heartbreaking setback for an otherwise remarkable comeback for baltimore the last 15 years. >> when you look there is a big bipartisan focus on criminal justice reform.

>> there should be. >> it has to do with nonviolent criminals. people arrested, thrown into jail on drug issues. that wasn't the focus in 1999. that wasn't the focus in the '90s when the policing, the broken windows thing. that's the part i wonder if we got wrong. did we get it wrong then? >> we didn't get it wrong then, but we have yet to get it right. i spent my whole life on criminal justice issues. my very first job out of law school as a prosecutor on the west side, a place familiar from the images of these last sad several days. in our state, we actually were able to reduce our incarceration rate to 20-year lows. we were able to reduce our recidivism by 15% and at the same time reduce violent crime down to 35-year lows. i signed legislation to decriminalize in essence marijuana possession and other minor charges. i signed registration to restore voting rights. this is constant work. it is not done. we are getting smarter and better every day, but we still have a lot of work to do. >> i want you to respond to something speaker boehner said

about blame when it comes to america's inner cities. take a listen. >> what we have here is 50 years of liberal policies that have not worked to help the very people that we want to help. >> this morning's ""washington post"" has this headline. why couldn't $130 million transform baltimore's poorest places. $120 million was poured into this community. are we not spending the money correctly? what are we getting wrong here? money has been there. what do we get wrong? >> that is just not true. we haven't had an agenda for american cities at least two decades. >> money but no agenda? >> no. that's not what i'm saying. we have not had an agenda probably since jimmy carter and that era. we left cities to fend for themselves. because of the dedication of a lot of mayors and good people throughout cities in america, cities have been actually coming back.

in our city we see more younger people moving back to the city than we have in decades. and it's actually one of the higher numbers of any city in america. the structural problems that we have in our economy, the way we ship jobs and profits abroad, the way we failed to invest in our infrastructure and american cities, we are creating the conditions. speaker boehner and his crocodile tears about the $130 million, that is a spit in the bucket compared to what we need to do as a nation to rebuild our country. america cities are the heart of our country we need an agenda for american cities. we need to stop ignoring especially people of color and act like they are disposable citizens. that's not our economy works or our country works. >> do you think you can run on your record as mayor of baltimore and governor of maryland? you are getting a lot of scrutiny now. do you think this is a positive thing voters will look at and say martin o'malley should be president. >> i did not dedicate my life to

make baltimore safer and just place because it is easy. i am more inclined and deeply motivated to address what's wrong with our country and needs to be healed and fixed. this should be a wake-up call what happened in baltimore should be a wake-up call for the country. the protests that also happened in new york, philadelphia and other cities. we have deep problems as a country. we need deeper understanding if we are going to give our children a better future. >> it sounds like you want to make it central to your campaign. >> i think it has to be central. >> you'll probably announce in baltimore? >> i wouldn't think of announcing any place else. this has been a setback for us, but our story is not over. we are not defeated as a city. we are not about to throw in the towel on our country. >> governor martin o'malley, thank you for coming on "meet the press." 50 years ago assistant secretary of labor daniel patrick moynihan who became a u.s. senator from new york wrote a controversial report at the time. it was diagnosing the social and economic disparities between white and black americas. he appeared on "meet the press"

december 12, 1965 to defend the report. >> it's a good place to see the results of unemployment, the results of discrimination, results of bad housing, poor education. >> five decades later, the problems of inequality and poverty are worse in many areas. 50 years ago, 1/3 of african-american children live with only one parent or none. nearly three times the number of children overall at the time. that number is 60%. baltimore, 62% of children live in single parent homes. in 1965 unemployment rate among african-americans was nearly double the national average. 2015, the situation is exactly the same. twice the national average. in baltimore, 59% of black men between ages 25 and 54 are working. compared with 79% of white men. child poverty rates for african-american children have gone down since the 1960s, but they are nearly twice as many african-american kids that continue to live in poverty as children overall.

tom brokaw, when i reread this report, you say, number one, pat moynihan was prescient. number two, some things have just never changed. >> i remember that report and a current report talking about a nation suffered unequal in this country. moynihan was vilified for his very candid, very honest description of what was going on in the inner city. what was going on in the inner city, a number of black families were getting out and getting education. they have not gone back. we have left across america in every city is way too many crimes way too much unemployment, substandard education and very little hope. if we had seized that moment across the country and black leaders said it breaks my heart but pat moynihan is right and we have to do something about it. i agree with the governor, this

is a time for us to have a more full plan for cities. i would appointment -- >> pat moynihan was calling for that 50 years ago. saying that's what the federal government should be doing and it didn't do it. >> i'm in agreement with that. i think it's more of a holistic approach. i believe the absence of a father, the breakdown of a family is part of the issue. there's more. we've got issues with police. we also -- i've been covering the white house the last 18 years. under democratic and republican presidents. i've seen whenever there is a budget crunch or tightness they want to go in after programs that affect the communities. there are always going to be people in this country or anywhere in the world that fall through the cracks. we have to come at this as an approach of a holistic approach. not just pointing fingers at the father, at the police. it's a holistic approach. look at the old blueprint of the civil rights movement. the most successful movement in this country. what are black people asking for in the inner cities?

disease -- it's not about what is given to us it's what are we asking for as a group, as a people? >> wes, he was struggling, moynihan coming to saying what's the answer here. he said this in the report. three centuries of injustice brought about deep-seated structural distortions in the life of the negro american. that was the term back then. at this point, the present pathology is capable perpetuating itself without assistance from the white world. the cycle can be broken only if these distortions are settled. this was 50 years ago. >> i was raised by a single mom. my mom in her late 20s, unexpectedly and unprepared, now had to raise three kids on her own. it's not just about the family structure. it's about the family definition. it's about the fact that we think somehow just because a child is your child that you are the sole one responsible for it what happened to me was the fact i was surrounded by people. starting with my mom and my

grandparents, aunts and uncles, an amazing string of role models and supporters. pastors and mentors. people told me the world is bigger than what was directly in front of me. my mom used to say kids need to think that you care before they care what you think. if we don't have children who understand and feel like people genuinely care about their future, they are going to care less about what comes out of their mouths and care less about what the policies we are trying to put in place to help them. >> kim, you write for business-oriented opinion page "wall street journal." what should the business community be responding to baltimore? >> i think they want to be able to help in this situation. i was struck by what the governor said. he said we need a national agenda. tom said we need a marshal plan. there has been a common plan in a lot of these cities which john boehner has been referring to.

there have been a lot of policies you see across these cities, central planning, lots of money being poured in from both a state and federal level. you have a failing education system dominated by teachers unions. you have high crime and high enemployment. what you have to do is start getting some of those things in place. you've got to do something about the crime. then the business sector comes in, private investment. >> the biggest fear is cvs won't rebuild that cvs. i hope they do. when we come back, a voice from baltimore who says baltimore was on fire long before anyone heard of the name freddie gray. >> i can't remember having a positive experience with a police officer. ever. super poligrip seals out more food particles. so your food won't get stuck and you can enjoy every single bite. eat loud, live loud, super poligrip. super poligrip

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welcome back. the eyes of the world have been on baltimore this weekend as thousands took to the streets to

vent their anger over the death of freddie gray. as we've been discussing, the city's problems have deep roots that go back decades. an op-ed for "the new york times" caught our eye by baltimore native d. watkins, a writer and professor and by his own admission a former drug dealer. he wrote about the toxic relations between baltimore's police and african-american residents. we invited him to put those thoughts on camera. >> baltimore city police officers are out of control. i can't remember having a positive experience with a police officer ever. if you are a black person and in a black neighborhood that's poor, they speak to you like you are not a person. it's never like, hey, how is everything? you mother "f." a lot of what the "f" are you on the corner? they see me as an animal or thing. they pull their guns out and make everyone lay on the ground and crack you on the back of your head.

distrust is not a new thing. it's been going on forever. everyone i know has been dealing with police brutality. the police officers in baltimore don't live in baltimore. their first experience with a black person is when they get a license to kill. everyone should be upset. everyone knows what's going on. they can see it. >> i can't breathe! >> we do need peaceful protests and the clergymen to step up. violence brings about a different result. when they attack these stores, the people with money start paying attention. the violence doesn't always work. violence makes it urgent. how do you move that to a place you can get it without the violence? then we can have real change. >> that was d. watkins, a provocative op-ed. making the argument that -- i don't want to say justifying the riots, but rationalizing them. >> he is a truth offriend of mine. the truth is the frustration he

is expressing the distrust, this is real. this is real for not just people in baltimore, but for people, many people in many communities, especially communities of color around this country. that's what law enforcement needs to be at the tip of the spear of their own reformation. one, this situation is making them less safe. the second thing, they are not able to recruit. specifically recruit in communities they need people. it's about human intelligence. when i was a paratrooper, we relied on human intelligence. if people don't trust you, they couldn't cooperate with you. >> i had a mayor said they know when the police force is working, there's trust in the community, by the percentage of crimes that are solved. homicides in baltimore is 45%. what does that tell you? the community is not helping the police solve crimes. >> if you look around, there are cities where this is working. one of the things you see -- >> washington, d.c., is working. homicide over 70% solved. >> there is a lot of interaction.

it's a question of tactics mostly more than anything else. it's not necessarily always a question how big the police force is. it's a vicious circle. the more high crime, the more police and potential for mistrust. >> april, you've written a book about the presidency in black and white. we have america's first african-american president. didn't go to ferguson. didn't go to sanford or north charleston. they said they're not going to baltimore. it's well, we'll get in the way. that image, wouldn't that be a powerful image if he is walking the streets of inner city baltimore? >> that would be a mighty powerful image, but chuck, they never defensively said they would not go. they said they wanted to assess the situation and make sure that the condition was safe. in any time you bring a president in you take away the policing from the community, but i will say this -- i do believe president obama should go to baltimore.

the reason why i say that, president obama was the president, this will be a legacy piece for him. he started talking about it in his first term. we got a little glimpse with him and gates, with the situation of the racial profiling issue. then the beer summit. move to trayvon martin. let's move down more to other cities, north charleston, ferguson, baltimore. baltimore is so close, yet so far. 40 miles away and this is happening. i believe president obama should go and it sends a powerful message. there are going to be more of these situations. people really need to know the leader of this country is there. >> tom, it's interesting. she said it's a legacy issue. this is one he didn't expect. >> no. i don't -- i think it is a legacy issue. i think the two legacy issues as he closes out his term is what's going on in the middle east and this country. the fact is we are spending a hell of a lot more money in the middle east and making a bigger commitment in the middle east

than in the inner cities of america. i've been thinking about whether we could have a new commission. i'm not talking about a feel-good kind of thing. not talking about throwing money at the inner city, but find out what the terciary issues on it. let coal -- colin powell on it. >> put john boehner on it. >> i'm serious. give them real power, take nine months to a year hold hearings and be honest. it has to be honest from the bottom up as well as from the top down. the fact is, pigmentation is still a big part where we go to have problems. people look at each other, they look at a cop from thor in city and they apply all kinds of preconceived notions. white people look at black people and apply all kinds of preconceived notions. we have to get beyond that. we have to have an honest conversation, which we refuse to

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we are back. speaker john boehner has a lot of issues on his plates, big fights over immigration, gop alternative, if any, to obamacare, the iran nuclear deal, and oh by the way, he's got a lot of republicans in the 2016 presidential race that's right around the corner. friday i sat down with the speaker and started by asking about the unrest in baltimore.

and if, as he said, the city needs more jobs and opportunities. if that's the case, how do you do it? >> takes a broken tax code that encourages more investment in the united states and creates more opportunities in communities like this. how about find a way to educate more of america's kids? half our kids given an education, more than half get a diploma, but they can't read. when you look at the schools in these inner cities, these families are trapped in bad schools that don't provide a real education and look what you get. chuck, what we have here is 50 years of liberal policies that have not worked to help the very people we want to help. it's time to look at all these programs and determine what's working and what isn't. because until we start to find programs that actually work and

we provide opportunities, more opportunities and a better education, we are going to have more of the same. >> what works? what's working? >> educating more of our kids. >> how do you do it? it takes government money. improving schools in baltimore. >> if money was going to solve the education problem, we would have solved it decades ago. >> do you believe we are in a national crisis when it comes to relationships between african-americans and law enforcement? >> i do. i think that if you look at what's happened over the course of the last year, i've got to scratch my head. when you hear about these charges have been brought -- >> charging homicide. >> public servants should not violate the law. if these charges are true, it's outrageous and unacceptable. >> body cameras the answer? or one of the answers? >> i think most departments around the country are moving toward body cameras. i think the states, they want to require it, more than happy to do so.

>> do you think federal government should chip in to help with this? >> we've got a lot of police grants on the books that can be used for this. why not? >> talk about health care, a core issue that may be thrown in your lap. do you have your plan b ready? >> not yet. i think our three house chairmen are working on this, we are working with senate republicans. it's important we are on the same page in terms of what are our responses if the court rules against ate bomba -- the obama administration. >> you made dire predictions about health care. 2014 you said fewer people would have health insurance. according to plenty of surveys, more people have health insurance today than they did before it went down from 17% to just under 12%. you said it would destroy jobs. the first year it was implemented, the country added 3 million jobs. >> obamacare made it harder for employers to hire people.

the economy expands and as a result, you are going to have more employees because businesses have to. you can ask any employer in america, ask them whether obamacare has made it harder for them to hire employees, they'll tell you yes. it's a fact. when you look at -- you know why there are more people insured? because a lot more people are on medicaid. we expanded medicaid in a big way. giving people medicaid insurance is almost like giving them nothing. you can't find a doctor that will see medicaid patients. so where do they end up? the same place they used to end up, the emergency room. >> are you going to need hillary clinton's help? the democratic party is led by two people, the nominee her and the president. he clearly is trying to lobby house members. are you going to need her help? >> the president needs trade promotion authority to continue

to get agreement with the agents on the trans pacific partnership. hillary clinton was for trade promotion authority. hillary clinton is for the trade bill with the agents. she just won't say so. and the fact is the president needs her help in order to get democrat votes to get this passed. >> you think they look at the split and think, she is on the ballot, i better -- >> every democrat leader in the congress is opposed to the president's position. listen, we've got a majority here in the house and the senate, but we can't do this by ourselves. we are going to carry the bulk of the votes to get trade promotion authority done for the president because this, every president over the last 50 years has had this. there is no reason why president obama shouldn't have it either because trade is good for our country. but she can't sit on the sidelines and let the president swing in the wind here. >> so you think she needs to be more engaged? >> i do.

>> congressional dysfunction. the idea washington doesn't work. do you think there are too many special interests here in washington? too many lobbyists? >> everybody has special interests. when i get home everybody has their own interest. >> the organized special interests can kill things like that. import, export. look at the way the health care bill was made. >> every american belongs to dozens of special interest groups. whether they want to or not. if they're older -- >> it is what it is? >> aarp. they are business people. they get represented by a number of business groups. they are environmentally conscious, they get represented by environmental groups. the competition of ideas is what matters. there's a lot of good ideas and bad ideas. in my view, it is a misconception of the so-called special interests. >> gerrymandering, bad for your congress or acceptable way to do business? >> you can call it gerrymandering, but in ohio, the democrats have the pencil in

their hand 50 years. now the republicans had it the last 20 years. our turn to draw the lines. >> tit for tat, you don't mind it? you don't think there is a better way to do it? >> it passes constitutional muster and it does. >> too much money in politics? >> we spend more money on antacids than politics. >> you're saying special interest, gerrymandering, not a problem? >> at the end of the day, i'm responsible to my constituents for what i do here, not who i listen to, all right? not how i run my campaign. based on how i vote and what i do here. frankly, the congress on both sides of the aisle, i'd say 95% of the people here are good, honest, decent people trying to represent their constituents to the best of their ability. we live in an imperfect political system. we live in an imperfect democracy, but as bad as it is, guess what?

it's better than any place else in the world. >> let me have fun with you on presidential politics. you made it clear you are a big fan of jeb bush, but you haven't endorsed, why? >> i'm not going to endorse anybody. i'm a big fan of john kasich, too. i know most of these people. i don't want to hurt anybody. >> when i say hillary clinton, what do you say? give me a word or phrase. first thing that comes to mind. >> i don't have a word for her. former secretary of state. >> scott walker? >> he's done a good job as governor. >> first term senators will make the best president? >> we'll see. >> you are not going there? >> i'm not getting in the middle of it. >> do they have enough experience? >> we've got a big field. it will sort itself out over the next year. good luck to all of them. >> you can watch my extended interview with speaker john

boehner on our website. we talked about the same-sex marriage case in the supreme court last week. benghazi and his surprising answer about the hillary clinton e-mail server. and the issue that he says made his life miserable on capitol hill. thanks to the president. we'll be back in less than a minute with "endgame." "endgame."

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as you heard, endgame time. we are going to have big week of presidential announcements coming you. carly fiorina is expected to announce tomorrow. former hewlett-packard ceo will make the announcement online and take questions via twitter's app, periscope. ben carson also announces tomorrow. he'll do so in detroit not baltimore. mike huckabee will announce his presidential candidacy tuesday in his hometown of hope, arkansas. the same hometown as bill clinton. and by the way, there is a fourth candidate that's been in the news. chris christie's presidential ambitions are floundering after two key allies were indicted and another pled guilty over the bridgegate mess. let's talk a quick 2016. ben carson, do you give him -- you know him well, april.

you just got reporting on him. >> i just talked to him before we came on the air. he actually has raised from $3 million to $5 million in the last six weeks. he is excited about making this announcement. he is talking about one of the central pieces is criminal justice. he's also talking about the heart issue and dealing with the heart. he is in it to win it for the long haul. we'll see what happens. >> of those three candidates announcing, fiorina, carson, huckabee, which one will be relevant on march 1st, 2016? >> whichever one has -- will any of them be relevant? >> it's possible. it's who has the most resonance with a fundamentally changed conservative electorate. one of the problems they had was they got good, decent honorable candidates out of step with what has been a revolution ever since they changed -- >> there's been confusion there. >> what is fascinating about this primary field, almost all

these people have come into their own as a reaction to the obama presidency. they are a new generation. it's going to see who can have the biggest, boldest ideas out there. >> you know chris christie well. what do you think? is this recoverable? >> i don't want to speak to him. reading all the tea leaves, it looks like it's over for him. i don't think he will run but if he does, he will tip toe in backwards. the indictment of those people were very close to him. he is not getting much of a reaction as he goes around the country. he threw a hail mary in new hampshire. it's hard for me to see how he can inject himself into the front runners. he is a smart guy. i always thought part of the success of chris christie was that he's been a prosecutor. he knew what cases to prosecute. how to get the job done. he's going to look at his presidential candidacy the same way, do i have a shot here? so i can't speak for him. it's uphill. about the subject that brought us here today, i wish all these

presidential candidates could have been at monticello yesterday. i was there for a weekend. they were doing a big benefit to restore some parts of monticello, thomas jefferson's home, beginning with the place of slavery. there were probably three dozen thomas jefferson defendants from -- descendents, including from the sally emmings line. it was the most thoughtful, wise, civil discussion about race and slavery and the contradiction of the man who said all men are created equal and kept slaves. it was so useful, frankly. it's a subject that preoccupied a lot of my journalistic career. i came away from that thinking how can we recreate that, frankly? it was honest and there were no finger pointing. it was very useful. >> wes, i should have asked you this earlier. martin o'malley, relevant presidential candidate now? more relevant, less relevant? >> he will be more relevant now if he can take advantage of this moment and take advantage of this situation.

this is not going to be a side issue. >> not any more. >> this is going to be at the epicenter. if he can articulate the argument that his experience back in baltimore and maryland better prepare him than anyone else, it becomes relevant if not and it's all the other issues that have come along with policing, et cetera, it's going to be difficult. >> it's interesting to watch hillary clinton back track from a bill clinton policy on crime. >> yes. >> frankly, martin o'malley back tracking the entire democratic party. the new democratic wing. i'm old enough to remember when he was a deal c democrat. >> two words, elizabeth warren. she is so worried about elizabeth warren getting into the race and moving left, left, left. she will back track a lot more from that when she is done. >> i'm obsessed with elections as people know. and there is a big one across the pond. i've got to show you something here. less than a week away from that general election in the uk. it's going to be too close to call. the opposition labor leader is

ed miliband challenging david cameron to be prime minister. miliband helps party line's in stone. he unveiled a limestone slab he promised to place in the downing street rose garden should he become prime minister. it reminded me of what russ feingold did in 1972. he put it on his garage. he put his promises on his garage. it worked for feingold, i have to say. >> he knocked off his brother to get to that position. >> ed miliband did, yeah. >> don't underestimate. >> his brother is doing a great job running the international rescue committee. the fact is he was the kind of anointed son and ed says, no, i'm going to challenge my own brother. i don't think he can be underestimated in terms of his passion and hardball tactics. >> there's been commentary if cameron loses, the republican party ought to learn something from that. >> i don't actually -- the republican party has its own issues. they are going to sort through them in this primary. english politics, i lived there

for a while. it is just a different breed of politics. i'm not sure it translates over here. >> it's becoming more americanized. they now have tv debates. they didn't used to have that. >> you have two of obama's closest aides on opposite sides. jim mussina is involved in cameron. david axelrod is miliband. >> the difference is the money. you have not seen the idea of billion dollar prime ministers. i think there is something we should be thinking about. >> they have shorter elections which would put us out of business, maybe. that's all for today. we'll be back next week of course because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." press."

the city of baltimore, hoping that they have seen the last of scenes like this. a major decision today to lift the curfew that's been in effect since tuesday. mayor rawlings-blake making the announcement saying the situation changed in the city. all this as she continues to face criticism over her handling of the protests over the last week. the governor of maryland calling today a day of prayer and peace. reaching out to the community. we'll look at what needs to be done to start the healing there. good day to everyone there. it's 3:00 p.m. in the east. high noon in the west. i'm richard, here with extended coverage on a sunday. we're following r