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>> everything's going great. smashing pump kin s. >> looking forward to that? >> of course we are. pumpkin who?kin s. >> looking forward to that? >> of course we are. pumpkin who? >> we don't smash pumpkins here. >> corgan will be here. >> as well as melissa rivers. as we've been talking about balt administer and police brutality, the most pointed picture of the week retired sergeant father saluting his son, 25-year-old new york city cop who died. he was shot in the face. they thought he would survive. he passed away yesterday. >> news shocking yesterday because we had heard that he was stable. terrible news. and it is a constant reminder a daily reminder of the risks that new york city police officers and police officers in baltimore and across the country put their

lives at risk every day. every day they leave in the morning, they may not come home at night. >> there is proof right there. we'll begin this morning in texas where authorities have identified the two gunmen behind the prophet muhammad cartoon shooting as isis purportedly claims responsibility. the group released an audio message warning of additionaled a tacks s attacks. police say these men, elton simple ton and nadif soofi were killed after opening fire. both men's family say they had no idea they were planning and the attack. officials say they shared an apartment together in phoenix and are searching the building for clues. the fbi had simpson on its radar since 2006 and in 2010 he was convicted of lying to the agency about a possible trip to somalia. the dallas morning news reports soofi's mother said he was quote very politically involved in the

middle east and wonders if something snapped. peter king believes the attack is clearly isis inspired. >> i do believe in having more surveillance of people in the muslim community because that's where the threat comes from. i think we as a country have to come to a realization that this is a war we're in and that you have to respect people's constitutional rights. you should not have this absolutely strict interpretation because to me it's very reasonable in a time of struggle we have right now that a person pleads guilty to a terrorism charge should receive more surveillance than the average person. >> internal isis memo to yourself, don't mess with us. >> they were ready. layers and layers of security and one good garland complain away from maybe 200 lives being taken by these two guys. but as you said they were prepared. they had garland police private security, the officer who was shot was actually from the school district. he was unarmed. they were ready.

and this guy learned the hard way, both of them did. >> meanwhile the organizer of the controversial cartoon contest is rejecting criticism that she shares any responsibility for the violence. >> others would say that i was endangering others. that's like saying that the rape victim is guilty because she wore a short skirt. i will not an bridge my freedom so as not to offend savages. this is freedom of speech and these cartoons is political critique. i do not think i put them in danger. i think violent jihadists put them in danger. >> everyone has the right to freedom of speech and it's good to stand by that principle, but these people are not standing by that principle they're standing by the principle of hatred for other people. when you provoke people that doesn't make violent actions right, but don't be surprised that it happens. and these people are not only putting americans here at home risk they're putting american service men abroad at risk. that's what they don't

understand. the same thing with the guy down in florida who wanted to burn a bunch of korans. people who pay the price are american service men targeted by extremists. that's not fair. >> quite a debate. did you make a stand for the first amendment even though it can provoke violence and not only provoke violence here also provoke violence overseas just because you have the right to do something didn't mean you should do something. >> doesn't mean you should do it. i think it is a test of the first amendment in terms of hate speech in particular. i do think they has to take some responsibility for inciting potentially that violence. and now we have isis claiming credit which i think is a dubious claim, but i do think there has to be some caution taken when putting on events that do incite people to violence having to pal that with the first amendment. >> you know, i do think sometimes in america and in europe we are too politically correct.

and we try to whitewash the uglier sides of islam, even than what's in the original text. but in this case we had somebody on yesterday that was talking about they prayed to god while this was all going on. and it just rubbed me the wrong way because i was thinking willie, i wouldn't want muslims to get together and have an event doing something that i thought was sack lidge yus toward jesus christ. are they really going there in the name of god to do something that over a billion believers in the god of abraham find to be offensive? why go out of your way to offend a billion muslims who most of them are, you know good law abiding people who are not

involved in terrorist organizations. >> but the difference is you wouldn't armor up grab machine guns and drive to phoenix to wherever that evident was and try to kill the people putting that on. that's unacceptable whatever the speech is. >> certainly, yeah of course. i totally understand that. i'm not everybody talkn talking about that. i'm talking about the people that organized the event organized an event specifically around doing something, drawing cartoons of muslims that over a billion law abiding practicing muslims agree with. and that's what -- you know what i'm saying? the whole purpose is to do something that offends over a billion muslim including the extremists. i don't know. what purpose is served? >> i find it totally distasteful, but i respect their right to do it. this is the united states of america. >> i guess where is the line. there are certain things you're

not allowed to do even though it's free speech. maybe we'll get to that later. but there are certain words you can't say, there are certain things you can't do willie, that you would be kicked out of society if not more would happen to you. and so where is the line? >> anybody that watches "south park" knows, john heilemann, that every faith is mocked and ridiculed and abused. and we christians just sit back and look at it and don't go to extremes usually. there is though a small group of muslims that do. again, i just don't know the point of doing something that is blasphemous. i guess in part my sensitivity growing up in the south as an evangelical, i was used to people making fun of our beliefs and i didn't appreciate it. >> well, look there is the tension between what we -- the

dream we value to be able to say anything and i take exception to what mika said, yeah there are things you're not supposed to say -- >> no, there are things you can't say. >> there really aren't. >> yeah there are. and i can't say them. i'll perhaps share it with you in the break. >> they will get in youyou in trouble but we had a case in skokie illinois where nazis marched and supreme court said you're allow dodd that. can people be upset, can you be spurned? yes, but we allow that to happen. it's the glory of the freedom of speech that we have which is that people can do the most offensive things and not be thrown this jail lear and yet of course you wonder why anybody would want to go out and march in a nazi parade. yet we have to say this is what we're allowed to do in this country. >> and i must admit, feeling

superior at times to europeans who will arrest people for engaging in what they consider to be hatred speech. and i sit there and go, wait, how can you do that? so i don't want anybody to confuse what i'm saying. of course they had a right do it of course popular media is too politically correct when it comes to looking at the threat of muslim extremism and not calling it muslim extremism or however the proper term is. at the same time though why do it? why offend over a billion muslims? that's what i guess i keep going back to. >> i think there are things you can say to mika's point that you might lose your job, you might be marginalized in society, you might lose your friends, your family might shun you. that's all true, but you can still say them. and you won't be shot at. >> if you want to go to times square and scream certain words,

but there is also a chance you could get hurt. and -- >> it's the whole don't say fire in a movie theater. >> i won't can that. >> but we won't be throne in jail thrown in jail. >> especially with political speech. there is almost immunity around political speech. you can't scream fire in a movie theater. there are certain things you can't do. but political speech and -- >> what about art? >> art considered for political speech pretty much a free pass. >> so joining us there gar land texas, and i mondayif confirmed what is the significant that isis is behind the attack which is not confirmed? >> reporter: yeah it would be a pretty significant development. it would shed looit onight on whether

the organization has the ability to inspire attacks and perhaps even to carry out attacks. i think there will be a central question for law enforcement and intelligence officials. it's one thing for isis to put out a claim of responsibility and try to say that those mind the attacks belong to the group. it will be more important for u.s. officials to determine whether there is any operational link between the group overseas and these individuals. perhaps any associations affiliations or communication, was there any hope transferred, any training involved. those will be central questions in this questions for u.s. officials in establishing that link. or whether this was simply what we've described in the past, these kind of inspirational lone wolf type of attacks where these individuals were inspired by isis and ultimately decided to carry out an attack in the name of that group. >> so let me ask uyou if you can sort of take off your news hat for a second. i'm sure you heard the

conversation we were having before. talk about this group and what your thoughts are as someone that grew up in a muslim family about the group that was down in garland, texas and weigh in on the debate we've been having. >> reporter: answer a person who has lived in in this country for most of my life i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with any of these groups holding events like this or doing things like that. on a personal level, it does not owe depend me does not offend my faith or my sensibilities. i don't pay much attention to the group. i know america is a very diverse place, a element of people have different ideas. i also know people have unfortunately a lot of mis misunderstandings of religion and it's reflected all the time in the debate. but you have to have tough skin when you live in this country to understand that. i do wonder if we as a society have a double standard about what we accept as free speech and whether or not we apply the term of free speech to all group, all minority, all different political views with

the same equal rigor. do we uphold it as a society, from a law perspective. i think that sometimes is misunderstood. we're able to relate to things in this country in the context of how we understand them. when it comes to issues of race i don't think any american would be happy with a conference held depicting black people or african-americans in a negative light. i don't think it will be acceptable for many americans. would it be tolerated, would it legally be accepted? i think that's also sometimes up for question. so i think because we can't necessarily relate to the issue of islam, we can't relate to it on a public level, as well, there is this notion that it's simply viewed from the perspective of a freedom of speech and again i emphasize as somebody who works in journalism who believes in the whole right as a fundamental principle, i have no rob with it and i would certainly not in any way shape or form prevent it from happening. but i would also raise questions about the larger context in the united states and whether or not we are applying a double of

double standard to what is considered hate speech when it comes to muslims. i feel sometimes muslims this america have become the last group in which public officials, organizations and others are allowed to today mean, ridicule this group with n. ways that we don't do it with other groups per se. >> so well put. >> thank you very much for your insight. i really do appreciate it. and i know for a lot of muslims it would be as if for us somebody decided to get together and have a conference rally, to just burn american flags. and everybody brought an american flag 30, 40 people brought an american flag. >> it was considered art. >> and burn it one at a time and it was considered art and then put the charred remains on the wall. if we want to try to do what he said and walk a mile in another person's shoes and sfig out how offensive this is for muslims, that might be a good thing to reflect on. >> and again, that has nothing

to do with how wrong what happened was. so we're not putting the two together. in just a few minutes, the mayor of garland, texas will join us on the heels of what might have been an isis-inspired shooting. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll speak to the attorney for freddie gray's family, billy murphy. is there a conflict of interest surrounding his campaign donations to the baltimore state's attorney merrily mosby? and plus hillary clinton is testing her medical luck in vegas. we'll have a live report on her opening swing through nevada. julie: for 20 years, i was afraid. afraid of getting sick and having no health insurance. but when i got cancer, i finally had a health plan i could afford. without it, i wouldn't be here with my husband and be able to do what i love -- playing in our band and watching my nieces grow up. i'll always remember how affordable health care saved my life. if congress tries to take that away. i'll remember that too.

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or business model strength is enduring but no business or brand has a divine right to succeed. and the reality is our recent performance has been poor. the numbers don't lie. which is why as we celebrate 60 years of mcdonald's, i will not shy away from the urgent need to reset this business. >> that was c even oechlt steveeo steve easterbrook outlining a

restructuring that the fast food giant's global operation. easterbrook unveiled a turn around plan which will focus on improving both food and service. they're aiming to strip away layers of bureaucracy, while saving more than $300 million in costs annually. mcdonald's stock fell 1.7% following the announcement. profits have sank nearly 15% in the last year with sales dropping around the world. joining us now courtney regan. two months big changes. what are they facing here and can he make this attorneyturnaround happen? >> a lot of folks thought, okay a lot of positives, but nothing really ground breaking. when you think about mcdonald's, it's the world's largest restaurant change, so any little change is a big change. turning around the titanic takes a long time. you're facing lots of macro

challenges with changing tastes from consumers, us wanting things like antibiotic free chicken which will really put a big strankle onadvantagele on the supply chain. >> they tore down restaurants, put you up new looking restaurants, new menu healthier menu. coffee making better coffee than just about anybody. >> yeah and there are things that mcdonald's does well. breakfast makes up 25% of the sales. they're testing breakfast all day in certain markets in san diego because there that is a segment where it's very competitive. but folks want healthier tasting food and healthier food. there has been a lot of question about what is actually in the chicken nuggets and beef. >> does that matter? i don't want to know what is in the nuggets. >> i don't either actually. i'd rather not know. >> i thought chicken came out in the form of nuggets.

>> is this a larger trend in fast food or just mcdonald's? >> if you think about the fast food industry, you have competitors that we'll call fast casual. so chipotle. folks are willing to pay a little bit more for the chipotle experience. but if you think about their menu it's very simple. much more simple that be mcdonald's. mcdonald's menu has 100 items in some cases. we think we want choice, but when you make it too complex, it gets tough. so it's happening for some competitors, but then it's also opened up the door for others to enter like a chipotle. >> so really quick, because we have to move to politics but you look at like pepsico where in the late '80s, looking ahead into the future saying we'll have to diversify, we'll have to go healthier over time so we can keep our business strong still provide the things that people expect pepsi to provide, but also provide other options.

is mcdonald's just behind the eight ball is this too late some did they not regroup fast enough? >> it's hard because this is very much a branding issue. mcdonald he's wants to say in the place that it's carved out for itself. it doesn't want to serve you a $7 burrito. it wants to serve you $1.49 cheeseburger. but they need to try do that in a healthier way with meat that doesn't have antibiotics. so is it too late? i don't know that it's too late but i think it's a little tough for them because of the brand that they have carved out for thems. they will have to make some pretty tough changes about positioning and brand perception i think. >> 00a big challenge. >> you have to be careful not to get out of the space that you've created. the second you do that, you get caught in a crossfire. >> they don't want to be chipotle. >> after 50 years of being associated with fast how ask mcdonald's get people to think

of them as healthy. >> courtney thank you so much. with just a few words yesterday, the republican field grew to five. >> i'm carly fiorina. and i'm running for president. >> i'm ben carson and i'm a candidate for president of the united states. >> look at that. >> yeah very interesting yesterday ben carson, ben carson's announcement it was a variety show. >> i think that's the way to do it actually. >> doing and emn enemem song.

this was star search on the political stage. >> that's a campaign rollout. >> exactly. >> i don't want a video. i want that. >> we've had people with these grandiose audiences cheering them with the american flag, whatever. that looked like a fun day. >> today will be a fun day because the guy that was on "morning joe," what, did we count 128 times back in 2008? >> talking about squirrels and popcorn poppers. mike huckabee called his campaign the journey of a lifetime. starting today, he'll see if he can complete the mission all the way to the white house. here is msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. ♪ >> reporter: a blue collar baptist preacher who plays the base and loves chuck norris. >> chuck norris doesn't endorse, he tells america how it's going to be. >> reporter: mike huckabee's down home charm and evangelical support helped him to a surprise win in iowa seven years ago. >> tonight i love iowa a whole

lot. >> reporter: but his bid fizzled as he struggled to raise money and faced attack records on his record as arkansas governor. >> mike huckabee supported in-state tuition benefit fossil legal immigrants. >> reporter: now he's back with another expected presidential campaign launched in the hometown of hope arkansas, that he shares with bill clinton. >> every day of my life in politics was a fight and sometimes it was an intense one. >> reporter: ahead of the announcement, huckabee gave up the fox news show that made him a familiar face to many republicans. and he's been back in the headlines for his new book that called beyonce's music mental poison. >> what do you have against beyonce? >> nothing. she's half a page in a 242 page book. >> reporter: he also drew notice from fox news' own hosts when he said women swearing is just trash city. >> we're not only swearing we're drinking smoking, having pre-marital sex with birth control before we go to work and sometimes boss around a bunch of

men. >> reporter: and the foe can uscus goes to his evangelical base, but he says he can win over dissaerkted working americans because he was one of them. >> i'm one of the few people that grew up on the other side of the economic spectrum. people talk about poverty. they act like they know what that means. >> and kasie joins us from hope arkansas. >> i'm not going to deny it, i'm going -- we all love mike. >> we love mike. >> steems he saysometimes he says eggthings that make us scratch our heads. in 2008, he tried to be a bit kinder and gentler, programs. i don't know. seems to be more of a sharp edge under the backboards.rams. i don't know. seems to be more of a sharp edge under the backboards. is that deliberate? >> reporter: i think one of the things that is different about this particular campaign, he doesn't have the element of surprise. he's in this wide field with all these other conservatives. and suddenly earned media is

really important. there was some behind of scenes concerns about just how much coverage he was going to get for this announcement. i think he has to do some of these things that you saw in that book tour that he didn't necessarily have to do in 2008 when the appeal was sort of the down home mike huckabee who plays the base. and i will say you're saying you love mike huckabee. the town of hope really loves mike huckabee. the mcdonald's -- wer7 also talking about mcdonald's -- has him up on the sign. so we ran into one of list kindergarten buddies who own as local restaurant who talked about how he used to play in a band under the carport, they don't do garage bands here so much. but the question will be whether this translates when he goes to iowa later will week. >> in the south, we didn't have garage bands, we had carport bands. >> kasie, let me ask you how

mike huckabee fits in to this race. he won iowa in 2008. he was one of the last two men standing with john mccain by the end of that primary. here is a new poll out just today, he's at 5%. hasn't even announced yet. so that will obviously come up a bit. but where does he fit in a pretty crowded field? >> reporter: well, i think you look at iowa, that's where something like this would have to start and i think we'll get a sense of that reaction when he goes there later this week. but i think it's really crowded and tough forehe ended up late in that week he was angry at mitt romney and he also didn't feel like he had enough money to answer those attacks. so he said this time that's the main thing he wants do differently. i think we're still waiting to see if there will be a big money super pac that will come out of woodwork for huckabee in a big way. and he also is going to have to run on his record as governor in a different way than he did last time. and think you're starting to see that already in his announcement

video, him positioning positionhimself as the person who knows the most about the clintons and is in the best position to attack them with his own record in arkansas. >> kasie hunt thank you so much. >> where do we sit here? you covered him in 2008. what do you think? >> i think his problem is slightly a problem of lack of newness and math. he has a lot of room -- very likeable candidate. you look at the polling and he has very high favorables. he could be a broadly popular candidate. but the core of his support is evangelical support and you have ted cruz and ben carson and rick perry and rick santorum and scott walker all chipping away at the base. his base of the evangelical support especially in iowa. and you look at his number it's not the national numbers that would concern me if i were him. he's in fourth fifth place in iowa, which is the race that he won back in 2008. he got more caucus votes than

anybody in the history of the republican party in the iowa caucuses. and yet he's not caught fire there and that's where he has to win. so he can can be a viable contender, but the money will really matter and whether he can somehow consolidate that base. because that has to -- where he has to start is with the people who love him most. >> you wonder as you hear what john is saying whether all of this isn't playing right into jeb bush's hands. when you have five, six people chipping away at the same base and then jeb comes in at 20% in iowa and new hampshire? he could be in first place. whereas if it were a head to head, he might lose by 10 15 points. >> maybe so. we'll see. coming up hillary clinton will be making a campaign detour to congress to testify on the benghazi attacks. we'll talk to the chairman of the homeland security committee sthor ron johnson who tangled with the former secretary of state when she was last on the hill.

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now to baltimore and close call for a city on edge monday when an armed suspect's encounter with police near the site of last week's riots almost led to more trouble. police arrested a man with a hand ghungun that fired when he dropped it. no one was injured, but officials has to tamp down reports that the suspect had been shot by police which did not happen. joining us now, attorney for fred dwidie gray's family, billy murphy. the police union is calling for a special prosecutor alleging conflicts of interest with

campaign donations to marilyn mosby, including your own. what did you say to that? >> you mean the same police union that itself gave $3500 to marilyn mosby's campaign? >> could be that one. >> the pot calling the kettle black. >> it might be. but given the fact that -- well, you did give money. is there a conditionflict? >> where is the conflict? nobody's pointed it out to me. >> she has had six cops arrested this his death. i mean you see the conflict. >> where is the conflict? no, i don't. why does supporting a prosecutor politically create a con plikt when that prosecutor wants to prosecute somebody whose family i represent or who has -- >> with all due respect, i think

that it's fair to ask about a potential conflict is it not? >> i don't see the conflict. nobody has articulated in the entire media what that conflict is. there is an allegation that there is a conflict. what is the conflict? how is marilyn mosby impaired from doing the right thing because i represent the victim, too? i don't see the conflict. >> well, i think some might say that there is a con tlikt because you were supporting her financially, that the two -- i don't want to -- >> i don't see that it creates a conflict. >> it might create the impression of a conflict, but you don't see it. >> where is the conflict? no, i don't. and no one can articulate it. >> okay. i've tried to. does anyone here -- >> john heilemann, willie geist? >> the conflict is pretty obvious. or the perception of it that if you give money to someone, they might act on your behalf or act in your favor in a case.

>> well then why didn't she act in favor of the police union? i don't get it. >> that's a good point. >> all right. well, we'll move on -- >> i don't mean to befuddle everybody. >> we were just asking if you gave money to her campaign, does it put you in an awkward position and maybe impact the fairness of the case. and i appreciate your answering that. you don't need to be condescending about it but i can is you about a -- >> trust me the last thing i would be on this or any other show is condescending. people allege a conflict but then complaint articulate it. so i find it really impossible to deal with a conflict that can't be articulated. >> well, just because you keep saying that we haven't articulated it doesn't mean that we haven't articulated that

there is many times in politics and there has been for years and years and years the suggestion that somebody-a lobbyist gives politician certain amount of money and there is always a question of was your vote influenced by that money. this is basic politics 101. and i think we've talked it out. >> but when both sides of an issue give money, and essentially similar amounts, where is the conflict? >> well, that's a good answer. and let's just leave it there and actually move on to more important matters. how is the family doing right now and how do they feel about the events of the past three, four five days? >> well, thank you for asking. and the family is gratified that people all over the country are concerned about their well,. and that's because it was senseless for freddie gray to die. and i think about that everybody can agree. and so the family appreciates the outpouring of support that

they're getting and the grief that is being shared by the american public. >> and is the family in the wake of the coping i've seen some interviews with them they seem so unbelievably beautifully articulate on what they want for baltimore and what they want to come out of this. do they feel that justice is being served and what are their hopes and outlooks for the case as it moves forward? >> this is an unusual family. because it wants the investigation and the prosecution to go where the true facts lead it. and they're not asking for a conviction. they want the judge and the jury to react to the facts as they have been developed and as they will be proved in a courtroom. that's all they want. they're not out ahead of the curve saying that he did this or that that the police did this or the police did that.

they're sitting back and they're hopeful and prayerful that justice will be done in this case. whatever that is. >> mr. murphy this is willie geist. i would add high conmy condolences, as well, and ask you if you can shed anymore light on what may have happened not only in the van, we've heard what ms. mosby said about that but also before freddie got into the van. did he have an injury before he entered the van? >> we haven't yet, and this is puzzling to us gotten a coach of the autopsy report that everyone else seems to have had involved this this investigation. and under the statutory requirements of maryland, we're entitled to see that before anybody else does. and so we're waiting to see it and we're waiting to see what the physics of the injury to the body indicate in terms of whether or not the injury occurred immediately upon arrest or at some time later. and everyone is waiting to see it as well, because only until you get it can you have a

rational basis to have an opinion about it. so we have to wait like everyone else unfortunately. >> okay. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. good luck to you with everything. billy murphy jr.. >> thank you very much. on tomorrow's show, bill de blasio will be here onset. look forward to that. up next new details are flowing in surrounding sunday's shooting at a controversial mohammad oig art exhibit in texas. we'll talk to the town's mayor. in this moment your baby is getting more than clean. your touch stimulates her senses and nurtures her mind. and the johnson's® scent lather and bubbles help enhance the experience. so why just clean your baby when you can give her so much more™? the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care...

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perimeter. >> texas officials are crediting a local officer for stopping the attack this gar land. joining us now the mayor of garland, good to have you on the show, mr. mayor.gar land. joining us now the mayor of garland, good to have you on the show, mr. mayor. >> i'm wondering if you can talk to us about the security precautions the city took in preparation for this event. >> to a degree yes. >> go ahead. what were they? >> well, obviously we knew this was coming. we knew that there could be a great deal of controversy around it. we had talked to the event organizers about additional security and requiring that they hire additional security. the city would provide as much as we felt was necessary. and so we did that. our officers are well trained. we knew that we could handle the

situation an i think at the end of the day, you see that they did an excellent job. i commend all of them for the work that they did. >> yeah, they did an celebrity job. were you concerned before hand when you heard this event was coming to your town, were you concerned it might end thisit in violence? >> i don't know i would say that we were concerned it would he said inoig in violence but we wanted to be prepared. we don't see violence of this nature very often certainly in our town, so we wanted to be prepared and that's why we did. >> i'd like to know why you knew to prepare. what is on the periphery of an event like this that would have you secure up as opposed to like something else coming to town, a musical festival or something. >> well, i think the particular nature of this event and how it had been -- other events around the world certainly would have required caution. and we were trying to be

absolutely sure that we were cautious. >> mr. mayor, i know you've said you would always appreciate this group and sworn to uphold the constitution and the group's right to free speech and to use that building. but would you be supportive of another group like this coming to garland again now not just this particular group, but one like it that draws so much attention and controversy in the future? >> certainly it's something that we'll have to look at going forward. if we had known that there would be violence this time we would probably have made other decisions. but without that advance knowledge, without any sort of advance warning from anybody homeland security fbi or anyone else, i think we handled this one properly. as far as in the future, we'll have to look at that and look at our policies. >> it looked like you handled it extraordinarily well and obviously people in washington like peter king wondering why you weren't begin more advanced

notice, why there wasn't more concern ahead of time. especially from these two individuals. so congratulations to you and the officer for stopping this attack that could have ended up killing an awful lot of people. thank you for being with us today. >> my pleasure. coming up, the lead singer of smashing pumpkins, billy corgan joins the table. >> we're excited about this. >> and i love that guy's haircut. >> that's just ahead on "morning joe". my school reunion. i don't know. who wants to play in idaho? gotta get milwaukee up to speed. we win in flint, we take the lead.

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they were ready. >> police officer said nobody has been shot. there are people saying somebody was shot. >> tensions swept through baltimore this evening. >> a rumor swept through the crowd that the police officer had shot the man in the back. >> police never discharged any weapons. >> with a leader who gets his string from god. >> i'm running for president. >> our founders never intended us to have a professional political class. >> two nonpoliticians join the growing field. >> hillary clinton still leads the top republican candidates for 2016. bad news for clinton fewer people believe she's honest an straightforward. >> there was no attempt to hide them. the guy that filled out the forms made an error. i can't explain why they didn't do it. >> welcome back to "morning joe". john heilemann and dorian warren are still with us. and joining the conversation former treasury official and economic analyst steve rattner.

at the top of the 7:00 hour because he needed to get his beauty sleep. >> worked out well. look how beautiful you look. you look good. >> he was complaining yesterday, oh i'm getting up so early tomorrow. >> well, that was one way to say why i was leaving. >> so a lot of things going on today. we're about to go to texas. we also have new numbers for hillary clinton. her honest and straightforward numbers honestly way down. she's still comfortably ahead of all the republicans. we'll get to all the poll numbers. also approval ratings for the president up. we'll explain why. but first yesterday heard that you and mark lazry are going to be having fundraisers for hillary next week. might as well put it out on the table before we start talking about hillary. >> my wife really is doing one with us. and then we have moorkvhave mark coming one and then there is a third one.

this is her standard which is no more big events for the sheraton. these are private homes, $2700 a couple and raising the so-called primary money, the hard money that she's allowed to spend herself. >> and i heard she'll try to pick up the pace. there was some concern and a report earlier this week that the pace of fundraising was a little bit slower because she was trying to low key it but now that has changed? >> well, it's certainly harder when you're doing 100 120 people than 3,000. but i've seen the schedule and it's intense. >> this is nonstop. >> she will be spending a lot of time doing it. and whatever else we might talk about her, i think she's falling the max imim don't make the same mistakes twice. the last campaign was about big events, it was too much hoopla

and too many caravans ap ss and motorcades. and this is trying to be more low key, more personal. >> john heil happenileilemannheilemann. >> the question in my mind, she has to raise the hard money, but the big er challenge is the super pac. how much money can she raise from democratic donors who, a, don't lying superike super pacs and don't see her having a really contested nomination fight. i think she could face months where there are press stories about how fundraising is going poorly for her. even though i think she will be well funded in the end, could you have a long time before it looks like she's raising the kind of money people expect her to raise. >> i understand that. the super pacs don't really matter in the primary. but -- >> in the long run republicans will be raising super pac money all along. so the comparison will be bad. >> there is one more wrinkle, which is that they raised the

amount of money that you can give to the party from something like $35,000 to something like $350,000. >> unbelievable. >> so a lot of money raised in that bucket as well. >> so we'll circle back with this with andrea mitchell talking about testifying before the benghazi panel as well. but let's begin this texas. nbc news is confirming moments ago that isis has claimed responsibility for the prophet muhammad cartoon contest shooting. the group released an audio message also warning of additional attacks making this the first time isis says it is behind an attack here in the united states. but isis has offered no evidence to back up its claims. elton simpson and nadir soofi have been identified as the gunmen. they were killed after opening fire outside the event and wounding a security guard, both men's families say they had no idea that they were planning an attack. officials say they shared an apartment together in phoenix

and are searching the building for clues. the fbi had simpson on its radar since 2006. and in 2010 he was convicted of lying to the agency about a possible trip to somalia. the dallas morning news reports soofi's mother says he was, quote, very politically involved with the middle east and wonders if something snapped. republican congressman peter king believes the attack is clearly isis-inspired and the men should have been under closer surveillance. >> i do believe in having more surveillance for people in the muslim community because that's where the threat comes from. i think we as a country have to come to the real vaigs that this is a war we're in and that you have to respect people's constitutional rights, you should not have this absolutely strict interpretation because to me it's very reasonable in a time of struggle we have right now that a person who pleads guilty to a terrorism charge should receive more surveillance than the average person. >> meanwhile the organizer of

the controversial cartoon contest is rejecting criticism that she shares any responsibility for the violence. >> others would say that i was endangering others. that's like saying thooat the rape victim is guilty because she wore a short skirt. i will not an bridge my freedom so as not to owe depend savages. this is freedom of speech.an bridge my freedom so as not to owe depend savages. this is freedom of speech. and i don't think i put help in danger. i think violent jihadists put them in danger. >> everyone has the right to freedom of speech but these people are not standing by that principle. they're standing by the principle of hatred for other people. when you incite people that didn't make violent actions right, but don't be surprised that it happens. and these people are not only putting americans at home a risk they're putting service men abroad at risk. the same thing with the guy down in florida who wanted to burn a bunch of korans. people pay the price for there

are american service men in afghanistan and iraq and elsewhere who are targeted by extremists. and that's severally not theimply not fair. >> let's go to garland with ayman mohyeldin. do you have any idea how they slipped under the radar? >> reporter: we don't know in terms of the last several days how they managed to get from phoenix to dallas without authorities perhaps throwing about their movements. what we do know from court documents is that elton simpson was a man that the federal government had on the radar for some time. he was convicted in 2010 or 2011 of attempting to go overseas and join a terrorist group, but the judge at that point said yes he had lied to federal authorities about his intent to travel, but at that time there was no substantial evidence that he was going to join a terrorist organization, so as a result, the specific terrorism related charges did not hold the conviction was purely on lying to federal authorities. so there is no doubt that there will be a lot of questions as to

how again the individual that the federal authorities knew potentially posed a danger managed for some time to keep a low profile and continue on with planning this attack. i think central to that and now with this claim of responsibility that has come out from isis is going to really be focused on to what degree isis was operationally involved in this. we've seen this time and time again with attacks elsewhere in the world where isis perhaps tries to jump in take claim of responsibility for opportunistic reasons for propaganda value, but not necessarily have any operational value in terms of how they planned this attack. think you'll start seeing the investigation focus on whether there was any money transferred to these individuals, any kind of training involved did they manage to make their way overseas and get some kind of training in carrying out will it attack. >> all right. thank you so much for being with us. and we really appreciate your incites this hour and last. to new jersey now the two other alleged conspirators in new jersey's bridgegate scandal

appeared in court yesterday. bridget kelly, the former deputy chief of staff to governor christie entered a not guilty plea as did the governor's top appointees at the port authority, bill baroni who had this to say. >> i would never risk my career my job, my reputation for something like this. i am an innocent man. and that is why i will testify on my own behalf subpoenas theas soon as the trial begins. >> and the lawyer for bridget kelly says he's ready to put the governor on the stand if her defense calls for it. >> if the government does not call many of the people who are bridget kelly's former colleagues, you can rest assured that we will be subpoenaing them. >> well, well, well, what do you

think about that? first of all, 50% of people in new jersey think the governor was involved in the decision to shut down the bridge 34% said he was not. things are getting a little more complicated here. >> getting ugly. >> they're fighting back. nobody is rolling over. >> christie has already taken a hit in some polls, as well. >> yes. >> i heard you talk about this on the show yesterday. bridget kelly is a ticking -- has been a ticking time bomb for a year and she's i think about to explode all over chris christie. >> i don't know about all over chris christie, but steve rattner, she's not going quietly into that dark night. >> david wildstein is a liar. >> that's a lead. >> whatever he did or didn't do, the prospects of him spending some substantial part of this campaign on a witness stand in a jersey courtroom doesn't bode well for a presidential as pir rat. >> and you read the body

language of her interview and then her lawyer today, they are ready to -- >> they're ready for a fight. >> and again, you're right, we didn't know exactly who their target is but she was pretty explicit yesterday. i will subpoena anyone. >> and dorian if you look at the quality of the two defendants, how they look how they speak, how they address themselves, they seem like two -- again, by appearance. i'm just talking about the appearance before a judge, appearance before a jury, appearance before the public. they look like you know, upright, you know --up standing citizens. like this guy looks like a law and order guy. not necessarily good news possibly for chris christie. >> they look like innocent people ready to defend themselves. and of course we'll have to see through the trial. but i think they are quite ready to spill all the beans and who knows what kinds of evidence

will be gathered through subpoenas and depositions and -- >> i don't know if they look like innocent people what they look like are people who are not ready to be scapegoated as the only people. they may be involved. >> that's right. >> but not solely involved. >> we're not the only people involved and we're ready to talk about the others. >> yeah they're just so forceful, bridget kelly saying i'm not guilty and david wildstein is a liar. and then bill baroni saying i am an innocent man. you know? >> whenever you invoke the billy joel defense. >> it's not the chewbacca defense, it's the billy joel defense. it's a good defense. >> nbc news and "wall street journal" points to early challenges for hillary clinton while clinton is still the democratic favorite, her negative rating has jumped six points from last month. it's now an even split when it comes to how americans view the former secretary of state.

people said her strongest attributes are her knowledge, experience and ability to get things done but under water by a 2:1 knowledge when it comes to being honest and straightforward. but she stops jeb bush and marco rubio by six points a piece. she leads scott walker by ten and rand paul by four. joining us from las vegas where clinton is campaigning today, host of andrea mitchell report andrea mitchell. tell us about what she'll be doing today. >> reporter: well, she'll try to focus on immigration policy mika. she'll be talking about a path to citizenship, trying to set herself apart from both marco rubio and jeb bush. but at the same time her campaign is launching a new website and social media campaign trying to counter act all those questions about "clinton cash," in the book that is officially to be released today despite all of the prior publicity.

all those questions about foreign donations to the family foundation. hillary clinton hits the campaign trail today in nevada,s scene of a fierce battle with barack obama when they ran against each other in 2008. clinton one the popular vote while obama won a majority of delegates. as clinton tries to mend fences here, she and her husband are facing a bigger hurdle the controversy over foreign donations to the clinton foundation. in an exclusion sif interview with cynthia mcfadden the former president insisted those donations were not flu pedaling and defended his wife. >> not a single solitary fact has been introduced that she's done anything wrong. people should live to be as honest as she is. >> reporter: republican candidates are pouncing, questioning the clintons trustworthyiness trustworthiness. >> bill clinton is saying what hillary clinton has said on many occasions, just trust us. just trust us. and unfortunately, trust is

earned through transparency. and i think they have not been particularly transparent on a whole host of things. >> reporter: with the new book "clinton cash" officially released today analysts say the controversy is not going away. >> it looks really really bad and it's more than i think what bill clinton says it's not just a perception problem, it's a reality problem. >> reporter: and still on another front, clinton's lawyers now say that they have told the house committee investigating benghazi that she will appear once to testify on both benghazi and all those missing e-mails and the private e-mail server but not -- she'll stay as long as they want to talk and she'll answer all of their questions she says but she will not appear twice in two separate hearings. and that's now expected the week of may 18. so more fireworks to come on that front, as well. >> andrea mitchell thank you very much.

john heilemann you have a lot of clinton supporters saying this is all much ado about nothing and we've heard her scrubbing her e-mail server was much ado about nothing. but it is actually having an impact. whether it's because of the reality or because of a media firestorm as david brock and howard dean and james carville would say, the fact is hillary clinton's approval rating stayed up around 66%, 65%, according to a pew survey i'm looking at rye now. and was 65% just 2 1/2 years ago. now it's 42% approve, 42% disapprove. quite a drop. >> there are two numbers that jump out. one is a good number within a bad number to her. the good number is 76% of democrats still view her favorably. she is still on a glide path to be the democratic nominee. people in the party still support her, like her, trust her. and yet in the broader

electorate, 25%, only 25% view her as honest and straight forward. and that is a crushingly bad number. that is the kind of number you go do not get elected president. but the election is not today, so she has time to fix it but that is a bad place to be. >> let's look at those numbers. 25% consider you to be honest and trustworthy. how does she get around the fact that we know that these revelations about money because there was so much money changing hands from so many different sources that the "new york times" and "washington post," "wall street journal" will be finding new story for the next year. how do they get ahead of this? >> a couple things. i think first, a poll rating when she left state is an unsustainable number. you're leaving, you're a hero everything is great. obviously you'll koel itcome down. i agree the numbers are not

good. i don't think she's been as transparent as she should have been over the last few weeks as all the stuff has happened. >> do they -- i shouldn't ask tu because it should get in you trouble. john heilemann, do many people around hillary clinton feel like she's not been as transparent as she should have been? that's what i'm hearing. >> i think there is a robust debate within the clinton world about whether she should be doing more more actively to try to answer the questions that have been raised. >> i'm hearings oldtimers that have been through the old wars are drawing a line in the sand some of the younger newer people want her to get out, tell the truth faster get out there and be transparent. >> forget 2008. when you said oldtimers, those who drew the line in the sand over watergate and said we'll treat this as a piece of litigation, not as a political matter -- >> i think you mean whitewater. >> it's the same thing, right? >> same thing. bad guys.

no, whitewater. i think there is a lot to be said for that was not the right strategy and they should have been more transparent and i think a lot of what happened wouldn't have happened. if i were advising her, i'd tell her to go in a room with section reporters, no cameras, answer every question, and put this behind her. i don't think the press conference at the u.n. did that i think the testimony that she'll give in may will obviously help because she'll be asked a lot of tough question there is. but is he has to answer these questions. >> there is this problem with there being no answers to some of these questions. because of the scrubbed server. i agree she should be transparent transparent, rip the veil off and sit down and give everybody every piece of information. but she can't. >> let's talk about the scrubbed server. i understand that it raises all these suspicions, concerns, whatever. you have personal may today wleetdelete

them. >> but i would also use the state department server. >> and those were turned over. >> we don't know that. >> the question is did she or did she not regard e-mails as personal e-mail or business that was related to the foundation. if she says foundation e-mails were are considered personal well have never have the answers. that is the outstanding question in my mind is what was the standard by which she judged personal versus business and where did the foundation business fall. >> that's a great question. i don't know the answer to that question. but i would say -- >> i'm not asking you by the way. but that's the question that i would ask her if she were sitting here, when you were deciding between personal and business which cat theegory are were the foundation e-mails in. you still have to trust her. >> and this has fallen in such a way over the past month or two since the u.n. press conference but i keep saying this, there

were several people the day that she revealed that she scrubbed the, quote, personal e-mail, they immediately went to the foundation. ron fournier wrote a column immediately in it real time while we were all focused on the server saying this is all about the money, this is about the clinton foundation money, this is about the contributions. now sha she's that she's determining what is personal and what is not, he says we'll never get the answers we need on the finances of the foundation. >> i don't think any of this matters. i think this whole conversation is i don't understand the point because when you look at the head to head matchups with her fall in the poll number she still beats every single republican contender. so yes, this story whether go on, she will testify before the benghazi committee, but i think if you look at the fall in her poll number and it's so early and she's still beating all republican contenders, i don't think any of this matters.

>> we shall see. things always do tighten up. there is a long way to go. we don't know the one republican will go up against hillary. but president obama's approval rating up to 48%. that is good news for hillary clinton and other democrats who may be running this 2016. 48% approval, 47% disapproval. those are his highest numbers since may 2013. and mika, right now it seems in his final year we've seen those approval ratings continue to tick up tick up tick up closer to that 51% that he got when he first got elected in 2008. i guess 53%. if i were president take went through tumultuous seven, eight year, i'd give myself a high five if i ended up with 53%. still ahead, a grim reminder of the risks taken every day by those who serve and protect us. the touching tributes for the new york city police officer who

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25 past the hour. new details why emerging about the death of dave goldberg, ceo of surveymonkey and husband of sheryl sandberg who passed away suddenly last friday. goldberg was vacations with family and friends and it was his brother, robert who discovered him in a hotel gym after he had collapsed. he was then transported to a nearby hospital where he later died. according to a mexican government official, goldberg died of head trauma. he was 47 years old. >> when he was on i guess the treadmill. >> he was apparently on a treadmill, he either collapsed, tripped, i don't know. hit his head and bled to death. he was alone in this hotel gym

at 4:00 in the afternoon on a friday. they went to look for him and found him almost died and ended up dying in the hospital. >> you actually knew him? >> yeah reasonably well. we invested with him. known him for a long time. when you read all the wonderful things about him, they were all true. he was genuinely a wonderful guy. >> and father. >> and in death, after a tragic dwet death, he skis being remembered as a great father and a great husband even though he was a tremendous businessman. and i read somebody said you know, he would -- that's exactly how he would want to be remembered, which is pretty dam extraordinary in the environment that he grew up in and the environment that he's working in that as successful as he was, that's how people are remembering him. >> yeah, he was to sum it up this one word he was truly was

a man. and officer brian mooar shot in the head in the line of duty on saturday died yesterday following brain surgery. he was 25 years old and this was the scene yesterday outside the queens hospital where officer moore was being treated. hundreds of uniform police officers standing at attention at his body was transported away in an ambulance. among them officer moore's father retired sergeant raymond moore. bill de blasio and president obama both spoke about his son on monday. >> our city is in mourning. our hearts are heavy. we lost one of new york's finest. and that phrase needs to be fully you said stood. we lost one of the best amongst us. a young man who was called to dosaid stood. we lost one of the best amongst us. a young man who was called to do

good for others to serve others, who was willing to put his life on the line. that is not most people that is one of the finest amongst us who will do that. >> as many of you know new york's finest lost one of its own today, officer brian mooarre moore, he passed away early today. he came from a family of police officers and family of fellow officer, he joined in the nypd and across the country deserve our gratitude and prayers not just today but every day. they have a tough job. >> as for the suspected shooter, demetrius blackwell,is charges were upgraded to include first-degree murder. if convicted he will face life in prison without parole. and nbc news has just confirmed that the attorney general loretta lynch will travel to baltimore today. the riots broke out last monday which was her first pishlofficial

day on the job. we'll we're told she will meet with city officials, he religious leaders. >> that is great. and tomorrow we'll have new york city mayor bill de blasio he will join the table. we'll talk to him about nypd and all the challenges they face and also questions about the benghazi attacks led to this heated exchange in 2013. >> with all due respect, the fact is we have four dead americans. was it what you of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they would go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. >> words that hillary clinton would love to have back.

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we have the chairman of the senate committee on homeland security senator ron johnson. great to see you as always. a lot to catch up on. let's start in texas. reports confirming that this isis-inspired attack in texas was in fact connected with isis. do you agree that more should have been done beforehand to track these two suspects? we're hearing that from peter king. what do you think? >> in a perfect world, we would know exactly who is going to carry out these attacks so we could provide that kind of surveillance. the problem is as people said we're looking for a needle in the haystack and the hay stack is getting bigger and there are more needles. we'll have a hearing on this, not in specific 59attack, but we're calling it jihad 2.0 and

how isis is inspiring people using social media. we'll have witnesses that will be talking about there are 46,000 isis supported on twitter alone. possibly as high as 90,000. so how do you keep track of that? this is how isis makes connection with people that are supporting it and then they will go off line and go into these encrypted e-mail accounts and then they go dark and we can't track them. so this is a very serious threat and it's difficult to keep track of these folks. >> peter king is suggesting more aggressive surveillance of mosques and muslim americans, but of course you have civil rights questions there. you also have the question of whether we aren't creating a more difficult situation and creating possibly more acts of terror. how how do you balance those two? >> we need to ask the members of those communities to keep their eyes open. we've talked to individuals going to those communities and just trying to talk to those folks and because of for example

the revelations of edward snowden, everybody assumes the federal government has perfect information and that the federal government knows who is susceptible in these communities to jihad. and so they were surprised as they were being talked to that we didn't know who the young people were that were on these social media and possibly susceptible to this. so the bottom line is dhs will have this program if you see something, say something. and that's true. so we're hoping that in those community, people police them themselves if they see young people being drawn to this that they have to say something. they have to alert authorities. >> senator, you made news with your question of hillary clinton the last benghazi hearings. what are your thoughts this morning as we hear she's going back to the hill? >> well, secretary clinton has an awful lot to explain. i always hear even your opening said heated exchange. not from my part i was just asking pretty simple questions. why didn't you get on the phone and call the survivor would you

have found out immediately there was no protest, that that the attack didn't spring out of shallsome protest. you could have told the american people the truth and now is the time to tell the america the truth. why did she as head of the state department, why did she not ramp up security in a very dangerous situation in benghazi? there were repeated requests. those requests went unanswered and actually they ramped down security to comply with the narrative that all was well and their strategy was working. and nothing could be further from the truth. so secretary clinton has a lot to answer for for her dereliction of duty that i believe resulted in the loss of four lives. >> loretta lynch is heading to baltimore. you were one of only eight republicans to vote in favor of confirming her. you can tell us why? >> elections matter. i think the president has an awesome responsibility and barring some disqualifying event

in their past i think basically they should be able to staff their administration with the people they want. and president obama was not going to nominate an attorney general who didn't agree with his views. i'm hoping loretta limpg willynch will be an improvement over eric holder. >> senator johnson, thank you for being on the show. >> have a great day. coming up he is the lead singer for the smashing pumpkins and thousand billnow billy arecorgan is taking on the effort to help our ver ris mens. (music) boys?

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♪ that was some of the video, new video, from the smashing pumpkins which features children playing in the sun presumably before a drone strike. during a launch event later today in new york city, the grammy winning band is announcing its partnership with the easter seals dixon center for a new campaign to help military veterans and families. joining us now their lead singer billy corgan and from the easter seals, colonel david sutherland. good to have you both with us. >> we really need to say that we really appreciate your service to mirkamerica and what you're doing. before we start screaming like teenage girls because billy corgan is here. we love you being here, too. let's talk, first of all, it is

a great honor to have you here. >> thank you. >> we're music freaks and huge fans. but it's nice to know that somebody you've always loved listening to and following supports something like this. another kind way of saying it's nice to know that your music heros rpts ss aren't jerks. tell us why you got involved in this important organization. >> well, long story except i'll make it short since we're on television. but i see a vacuum in american culture with particularly as it pertains to the entertainment community and what is going on with our veterans. and that gap where there aren't people advocating for what needs to happen within our community, particularly at the local level, and so reaching out through some friends, this is how i came into colonel sutherland, so we sort of form this had partnership to rebrand some of the issues in american culture because that's the world we live in. we're moving in a fast paced

social media age savvy about it. i want to bring some juice to that because particularly when it comes to the music community, the fact that we're not out there blond the typical flag waving stuff, basically getting a little more into the sub text of what actually needs to happen, that really bothers me just personally. >> this really is bridging a divide. we've all read "rolling stone" for 30 years or so and it's always -- seems to be soldiers on the one side the artistic community on the other. >> but really dumb arguments. >> simplified black and white arts. >> and i'm sorry, but i bet almost everybody in the entertainment business about has somebody or knows somebody who is in the military. so this distancing is really disingenuous to what will happen in our future. and i just want to help step in there a little bit. >> john hheilemann. >> i don't even thoughknow where to

go. there is so much to say. going off topic and straight to music -- >> we have time. >> you've been making music for a long time now and the records you're doing now are getting as much our close to as much critical acclaim as the records in the early days. draw a line between the music that you're doing now and the music that we first heard back in the early '90s and fell in love with. >> i think you try to move with the generational tides. smashing pumpkins was never formed to be an oldies act but the way the generational tides, people of your age and mine we fall into that trap -- >> geriatrics at the table. >> we stop engaging. but i grew up on the '60s and '70s mutual where social interaction was interwoven into the conversation. and so i'm trying to find this

medium point where my music is still relevant within the culture i live in and also at the same time represent who i am. i'm not trying to be 22 anymore. that was a different man with a different agenda and this is an older man with let's say a more mature agenda. and part of that agenda is to try to understand and bridge some of these gaps. it doesn't always have to be perfect pictures. we don't even have to agree philosophically on everything although we do. it's it's not about that. what i say about this particular issue that we're engaged in it's not a political issue it's a cultural community issue. but i know a lot of people in the entertainment business particularly on the left wouldn't necessarily do if because it gets into these quasi, you know arguments that don't really hold water in terms of how it affects individuals. >> so let's talk about going beyond flag waving and actually doing something colonel souther land tell us about the center for military veterans and what actually can happen here. >> it's an understanding and

this is where billy and i really connect is that as the american people to get about the wars that they don't forget about the veterans and the military families and those touched by military service that include our families and it doesn't matter how you feel about the war, we still want to supts them. but the understanding and recognition that the needs and challenges of those that have served are evolving. they're not disappearing. and the tale on the effects of the combat situation effects of service, is very long but our service members fought for our families, our neighbors, our communities and they come home to our families our neighbors and our communities and that's something that billy and i agree on is that the solutions exist locally. these young men and women are phenomenal. they're amazing. and they just need that assistance, that connection locally. so easter seals has been serving veterans and military families since world war ii. and they have been doing to the tune of about 165,000 veterans a

year in workforce development, in housing, in assistance for child care, on any sort of challenge that they have. they meet the service members, the veterans and families where they are and accompany them on their journey. and billy and i understand that. billy has a connection to easter seals going back years. and i started with them as soon as i retired from the united states army after 30 years. and the two of us connected on this and we just -- we're going to reengage build public awareness, and promote those services that are available to really assist and connect with them in meaningful ways. >> because you're talking about -- we're talking about people on the left or people on the right making stupid arguments, the fact is it's easy to put a bumper sticker on the back of your car saying we support the troops while the war is going on, but whether you're for the war or against the war,

we should all be for suptsing the troops when they come home after the flag waving has stopped and the fanfare stops. because there is, there is a -- 25-year-old comes home they might have 55, 60 more years to live with injuries. >> and we're also facing new social challenges. we all deal with social media. so imagine what it's like for these soldiers. that becomes part of their train they have to operate in. it's not easy for me you know what i mean. i know it's not always easy for him. and imagine these people don't feel they have somebody supported them. so even to have a public awareness campaign. some say what does that do. in this age it might do everything because you have to engage the individual to help the individuals. and like he said, the family units which are oftentimes let's call it the outer tier of the awareness, but those are the people maybe that need the most support to come back and really help their loved ones.

>> the thing with the song that started will this segment is drum that it brings back individuality, we go back to the individual. everyone knows what we are, we're veterans. we served in iraq and afghanistan, we served on ships. all generations of veterans but bringing back the individuality, the person and understanding not just what we are but who we are. >> so since we're old, let's reminisce. do you have a favorite song a favorite album, old man? >> sentimental? >> we're going to be sentimental. you got to deal with it. elton john says he still loves it when people come up to him and say they love "your song." >> i listened to siamese dream straight through about a million times when it came out. i can't pick a favorite song. almost the perfect record. >> he's like the ultimate fan.

>> one of them for sure. what about you? >> i'm a melancholy man. >> it's true you are a melancholy man. >> tonight tonight. zero. >> how many of those zero t-shirts got sold? >> that's a funny story if you got ten seconds. i wasn't able to trademark that. how many millions of shirts were sold that i didn't have any piece of because i couldn't trademark my one of a kind t-shirt. >> can we blame for that? >> blame quantity nous. >> their tour with marilyn manson starts this summer. billy corgan, thanks so much colonel sullivan thank you for everything. someone made a splash at the world series of diving but it was not the man who won.

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welcome back to "morning joe," 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. as we've been talking about baltimore and police brutality and all sorts of things this is important to point out that the most poignant picture of the week retired sergeant father saluting his son, a 25-year-old new york city cop who died. he was shot in the face. they thought he'd survive. >> the news was shocking yesterday because we heard that he was stable. terrible news. it is a reminder constant reminder daily reminder of the risks that new york city police officers and police officers in baltimore and across the country, they put their lives at risk every day. every day they leave in the morning, they may not come home at night. >> there's proof right there. we're going to begin this morning in texas where authorities have identified the

two gunmen behind the prophet muhammad cartoon shooting as isis claims responsibility for the attack. the group released an audio message warning of additional attacks. elton simpson and nadir soofi were killed after opening fire outside the event and wounding a security guard. both men's family said they had no idea they were planning an attack. officials say they shared an apartment together in phoenix and are searching the building for clues. the finnbi had simpson on its radar since 2006. since lying about a possible trip to somalia. soofi's mother said he was very politically involved in the middle east and wonders if something snapped. peter king believes the attack is clearly isis inspired and shows the men should have been under closer surveillance. >> but i do believe in having more surveillance of people in the muslim community because that's where the threat comes

from. i think we as a country have to come to the realization that this is a war we're in and that you have to respect people's constitutional rights. you should not have this absolutely strict interpretation because to me it's very reasonable in the time of struggle we have right now that a person pleads guilty to a terrorism charge should receive more surveillance than the average person. >> internalize this memo to self, don't mess with this. >> they are ready to have layers of security and they're one good garland cop away from 200 lives being taken by these two guys. they were prepared. garland police private security. the officer shot was from the school district. he was unarmed. they were ready. this guy learned the hard way. >> the organizer of the controversial cartoon contest is rejecting accusations that she shares responsibility for the

violence. >> others would say that i was endangering others. that's like saying that the rape victim is guilty because she wore a short skirt. i don't have to abridge my freedom so as to not offend savages. this is freedom of speech. and these cartoons is pliktal critique. i don't think i put them in danger. i think violent jihadists put them in danger. >> everyone has the right of freedom of speech and it's good to stand sbi the principle, but these people are standing by the principle of hatred for other people. when you provoke people and incite people, that doesn't make violent actions right but don't be surprised that it happens. these people are not only putting americans here at home at risk but servicemen abroad at risk. the same thing with the guy down in florida that wanted to burn a bunch of korans. the people who will pay the price for this are american servicemen who are targeted by extremists. that's not fair. >> it's quite a debate.

do you make a stand for the first amendment even though it can provoke violence and not only provoke violence here but also provoke violence overseas just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do something. >> doesn't mean you should do it. it is a test of the first amendment in terms of hate speech in particular. i do think she has to take some responsibility for inciting potentially that violation. now we have isis claiming credit which i think is a dubious claim, but i do think there has to be some caution taken when putting on events that do incite people to violence. having to balance that with the first amendment. >> you know i do think sometimes in america and in europe we are too politically correct and we try to whitewash the uglier sides of islam, even what's in the original text but in this case we had somebody on yesterday that was talking about they prayed to god while this

was all going on. and it just rubbed me the wrong way because i was thinking willie i wouldn't want muslims to get together and have an event doing something that i thought was sacrilegious towards jesus christ. so are they really going there in the name of god to do something that over a billion believers in the god of abraham find to be offensive? why go out of your way to offend a billion muslims who most of them are, you know good law abiding people who, you know who are not involved in terrorist organizations. i don't see the purpose of an event like this. >> but the difference is you wouldn't armor up grab machine guns and drive from phoenix to wherever that event was and try to kill the people who were putting that on. that's unacceptable, whatever the speech is. >> and certainly, yeah of course, i totally understand

that. i'm not even talking about that. i'm talking about these people that organize the event organized an event specifically around doing something, drawing cartoons of muslims that over a billion law abiding, practicing muslims agree with. and you see what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> the whole purpose of the event is something that offends over a billion muslims including the extremists that take this to violent means. i don't know. what purpose is served? >> i find it totally distasteful, but i respect their right to do it. this is the united states of america. >> i guess the point is where is the line? there are certain things you're not allowed to do even though it's free speech. we'll get to that later. but there are certain words you can't say. there are certain things you can't do willie that you would be kicked out of society if not more would happen to you. and so where's the line? >> well i mean, they should

be -- they certainly should be able to do this. and anybody that watches "south park" knows that every face is mocked and ridiculed and abused. and we christians have just sit back and look at it and don't go to extremes usually. there is though a small group of muslims that do. but yeah i just don't know the point of doing something that is blasphemous. i guess in part my sensitivity is growing up in the south as an evangelical, i was used to people making fun of our beliefs in popular culture and i didn't appreciate it. >> look there's the tension between the freedom to just say just about anything. there are things you are not supposed to say. >> no there are things you can't say. yeah, there are and i can't say

them. i'll share with you in the break what can get you into very big trouble. >> yes, it will get you into trouble. but in america we had a case in skokie illinois where nazis marched through skokie and the supreme court said that's protected speech. can people yell at you, yes, can people be upset with you, yes. can you be castigated spurned? yes. but that's the glory of the first amendment, the glory of the freedom of speech that people can do the most offensive things and not be thrown in jail here. and yet, of course you wonder why anybody would want to go out and march in a nazi parade in skokie or do some of these other things. things that most of us into never want to do or occur to us to do because it would be offensive but we have to say look this is what we're able to do in this country. >> i must admit feeling superior at times to europeans who will arrest people for engaging in what they consider to be hate speech. and i sit there and say how can you do that?

i don't want anybody to confuse what i'm saying here. of course these people had the right to do it. of course popular media in america is too politically correct when it comes to looking at the threat of muslim extremism and not even calling it in the white house muslim extremism or however the proper term is. at the same time though why do it? why offend over a billion muslims? that's what i keep going back to. >> i guess you can say that you might lose your job, you might be marginalized in society, might lose your friends and family that's all true, but you can still say them. >> yes -- >> and you won't be shot at. >> if you scream certain words and maybe held a sign up there's a chance you can get hurt. there's no question p the whole don't say fire in a movie theater. >> i won't do that because i can get hurt. >> but luckily in our country you won't be thrown in jail for that. >> i'm not sure. >> especially for political

speech. there's an absolute immunity around political speech. >> true. >> as the supreme court said years ago, you can't scream fire in a movie theater. there are certain things you can't do. time, place, manner. political speech art, considered art for political speech it's pretty much a free pass. >> joining us from garland, texas, political news correspondent eamon maldine. >> it would be a pretty significant development. the first time isis was to claim responsibility for an attack on u.s. soil. but it would also be significant for two reasons. it would shed light on whether the organization now has the ability to not only inspire attacks but perhaps to even carry out attacks. i think that is going to be a central question for law enforcement officials, for intelligence officials. one thing for isis to put out a claim of responsibility and try

to say that those that were behind the attacks here in garland belong to the group. it's going to be more important for u.s. officials to determine whether there is any operational link to the group overseas and these individuals, perhaps any associations affiliations or communication. was there any money transferred, any training involved. those are going to be central questions in this investigation for u.s. officials establishing that link or whether that was simply these kind of inspirational lone wolf type of attacks where these individuals were radicalized, affiliated with isis or inspired by isis and then ultimately decided to carry out an attack in the name of that group. >> so let me ask you if you can sort of take off your news hat for a second. i'm sure you heard the conversation we were having before. talk about this group and what your thoughts are as someone that grew up in a muslim family about the group that was down in garland, texas, and weigh in on the debate we've been asking.

>> you know listen as a person who has lived in this country for most of my life i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with any of these groups holding events like this or doing things like that. it doesn't -- on a personal level, it does not offend me. does not offend my faith. does not offend my sensibilities. i don't pay much attention to the group. i know america is a diverse pluralistic place, people have a lot of different ideas. people also have misunderstandings of their religion. it's reflected all the time in the debate. but you have to have tough skin in this country to understand that. i do wonder if we as a society have a double standard about what we accept as free speech and if we apply free speech to all groups all minorities, different political views with the same equal rigor. i think that sometimes is misunderstood. you know, we are able to relate to things in this country in the context of how we understand them. when it comes to issues of race

i don't think any american would be happy with a conference held depicting black people or african-americans in a neg live light. i don't think it would be acceptable for many americans. would it be tolerated, legally be accepted? that's also sometimes up for question. because we can't necessarily relate to the issue of islam, we can't relate to it on a public level as well there is this notion that it is simply viewed from the perspective of a freedom of speech. and again i emphasize as somebody who works in journalism, who believes in this right as a fundamental principle, i have no problem with it and i would certainly not in any way, shape or form prevent it from happening, but i would also raise questions about the larger context in the united states and whether or not we are applying a double standard to what is considered hate speech when it comes to muslims. sometimes muslims in america have become the last group in which public officials, organizations and others are allowed to publicly demean ridicule this group in ways that

we don't do it with other groups per se. >> well put. still on "morning joe" frames a nightmare scenario more student and their parents. how the college campuses have become a hunting ground. >> the first few weeks i made some of my best friends. but two of us were sexually assaulted before classes had even started. i went to the dean of students office, and she said i just want to make sure that you don't talk to anyone about this. >> they protect perpetrators because they have a financial incentive to do so. >> that's where jameis winston comes into this. we'll talk to the film's oscar nominated director and producer just ahead on "morning joe. but first, here's a look at the forecast with bill karins. >> we've really dried out in the northeast. interesting weather in the southeast in the days ahead. it's dried out enough after a miserable winter that now we're having brushfires popping up.

a high fire risk today in maine. these are pictures you'd expect from california. these are pictures from ulster county an hour north of new york city. hopefully get that under control in a hurry. then the opposite is what's happening in the middle of the country. flooding is a problem. this was manhattan, kansas last night, up to four to five inches of rain. flash flooding problems and more of that today for texas. this is kind of all the buds. will we get our first named system of the tropical season. will we get ann out of this or anna out of this? this will be at its peak intensity. strong rip currents along the coast, breezy conditions but this doesn't look to be a big, hung deal. lubbock to san angelo. isolated tornadoes out of that. the other story is the heat is very warm in the eastern half of the country. enjoy another day of sunshine

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>> yeah. >> very interesting yesterday ben carson ben carson's announcement it was a variety show. >> i think that's the way to do it, actually. >> doing an eminem song. then they had sort of an in sync looking group as "the washington post" reported a poor man's in sync. then his wife candy carson played the violin. >> i love it. >> during the national anthem this was star search willie on the political stage. >> now that's a campaign rollout. >> exactly. >> i don't want some youtube hostage video. i want that. >> people cheering them with the american flag behind them whatever, that looked like a fun day. >> today will be a fun day. >> yes. >> because -- >> it's mike huckabee's turn. >> the guy who was on "morning joe" did we count 128 times, give or take a dozen times. >> mike huckabee called his

campaign the journey of a lifetime. starting today he'll see if he can complete the mission all the way to the white house. here's msnbc political correspondent casey hunt. ♪ rocking in the usa ♪ >> a blue collar baptist preacher who plays the bass and loves chuck norris. >> chuck norris doesn't endorse. he tells america how it's going to be. >> mike huckabee's downhome charm and evangelical support led him to a surprise win in iowa seven years ago. >> tonight i love iowa a whole lot. >> but his bid fizzled as he struggled to raise money and faced attack ads on his record as arkansas governor. >> mike huckabee supported in state tuition payments for illegal immigrants. >> now he's back with a presidential campaign. launched in the town of hope arkansas, that he shares with bill clinton. >> every day in my life in politics was a fight and sometimes an intense one. >> ahead of announcement

huckabee gave up the fox news show that made him a familiar face to many republicans and he's been back in the headlines for his new book that calls beyonce's music mental poison. >> what do you got against beyonce? >> nothing. >> come on now. >> she's a half a page in a book. >> huckabee drew from fox's own host when said that women swearing was trashy. >> we're not only swearing we're drinking smoking, premarital sex and birth control. >> the focus on cultural issues goes right to his evangelical base. huckabee says he can win over disaffected working americans because he was one of them. >> i'm one of the few people that grew up on the other side of the economic spectrum. people talking about poverty i'm surprised they act like they know what that means. >> and casey joins us from hope. >> i'm not going to deny. i'm in the tank for mike huckabee. >> what? >> we all love mike. >> we all love mike. >> sometimes he says things that make us scratch his heads that

he did not say in 2008. that's where we start. he does seem to be -- in 2008 he tried to be a bit kinder and gentler perhaps? i don't know. there seems to be more of a sharp edge underneath the back boards. throwing more elbows. is that deliberate? >> well joe, i think one of the things that's different about this particular campaign is he doesn't have the element of surprise. he's in this wide field with all these other conservatives. and suddenly earned media is really important. there was some behind the scenes concerns about just how much coverage he was going to get for this announcement. he has to do some of these things that you saw on that book tour that he didn't necessarily have to do in 2008 when the appeal was sort of the downhome mike huckabee who plays the bass. the town of hope really loves mike huckabee. the mcdonald's, we're all talking about mcdonald's, has him up on the sign the hometown

paper is all huckabee. ran the interview they did with him ten years ago. we ran into one of his kindergarten buddies who owns a local restaurant and how they used to play in a band under a carport. they don't do garage bands too much here. >> willie in the south, we didn't have garage pants, we had carport bands. >> no walls on those garages. >> let me ask you how mike huckabee fits into this race. he won iowa in 2008. a lot of people forget he was one of the last two men standing with john mccain at the endothat primary. here's a new poll out just today. he's at 5% and he hasn't announced yet. where does he fit in a pretty crowded field? >> well willie i think you look at iowa that's where something like this would have to start and we'll get a sense of that reaction when he goes to campaign there later on in this

week. but i think it's really crowded and tough for him. we have to remember when he ended up late in that field in 2008 he was angry at mitt romney for attacking his record as arkansas governor and he felt like he didn't have enough money to answer those attacks. he said this time that's the main thing he wants to do differently. he wants enough money. we're still waiting to see if there's going to be a big money superpang super pac that will come out of the woodwork. he'll have to run on his record as governor in a different way than he did last time. you have seen him positioning himself as the person who knows the most about the clns andintons and is the best person to attack them with his own record in arkansas. >> kasie hunt. thank you so much. >> where we sit right here mike huckabee, you covered him in 2008. what do you think? >> his problem is slightly a problem of lack of newness and math right? he has a lot of room very

likable candidate. you look at the polling and he has very high favorables. he could be a broadly popular candidate. ted cruz and ben carson and rick santorum and scott walker all chipping away at his base of evangelical support especially in iowa. it's not the national numbers that would concern me if i were him. he's in fifth or sixth or fourth place in iowa which is the race that he won back in 2008. he got more caucus votes than anybody in the history of the republican party in the iowa caucuses yet he's not caught fire there and that's where he needs to win. he can be a viable contender but the money's going to really matter and whether he can somehow consolidate that base because where he starts is where the people that love him most. still ahead, a loving portrait of the legendary comedian joan rivers from her daughter melissa. she joins us on the set. but first, a new documentary

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brothers combined. >> when they were like 17 and hyperactive. >> you think he's hyperactive? >> yes. >> i think he's misunderstood. i think he's an artist. >> there's a difference. >> the hatred flowing. >> i'm going to do some work here. this is incredible. we've been looking forward to this. >> i don't understand why you're being so hateful. >> welcome back to "morning joe." we've been talking a lot about the emotional documentary "the hunting ground" that explores how colleges handle sexual assaults especially when it comes to its star athletes. erica kinsman, former florida state student, who accused football star jameis winston of raping her in 2012 breaks her silence in the film. >> i went to see my victims advocate. in that meeting we were just talking. she was like we just want to let you know like there's another victim from him. >> it's my pleasure to announce

the 2013 heisman memorial trophy winner, jameis winston, florida state university. >> is it hard for you to believe that this has all happened? >> i kind of just want to know like why me. doesn't really make sense. >> and the sad thing with that is that college football didn't hold him responsible for the kind of person he is off the field. >> joining us now amy ziering,

the show's producer. thank you for being on the show. the entire work you've done "the hunting ground" is amazing. this part about jameis winston. i watched it with my daughter. she's getting ready to go to college. i thought it would be something we can talk about. and when it got to that story, she kept looking for the justice that was going to happen at the end, you know the way usually tv shows end. and she seemed almost dumbfounded that it never happened. and the way you set up the story and the work you've done is there any question in your mind as to the conclusion? >> no there's absolutely no question in our minds as to the conclusion. you know we thoroughly did our own investigation and read all the documents and we're completely convinced that everything we show in the film is 100% accurate. >> what happened? if we start with the contention this young girl was raped in a bathroom floor and went to the

e.r. and did a rape kit, what happened after that? because it seems like as joe pointed out the other day, she did everything right. >> and she called 911 after and there's a recording of that call and reported the crime. and yet, you know clearly something did not go right in terms of the investigation and clearly that there was a desire to keep certain protections in place for the college athletes. >> a desire on what level? on every level? >> you know we found that the cover-up was quite extensive and that the investigation was really botched and not thorough and that clearly there was a desire to protect this person because they were critical to the team. >> you say a cover-up. in what way? >> the film clearly shows the ways in which this was not thoroughly and properly looked into. the way you would any other crime. i mean you know interviews were not done the suspect was

not apprehended and questioned immediately, many many instances of clear, you know mis -- the police and the school did not do the proper types of investigations one would normally do with this type of crime, that was absolutely clear. >> we also saw parts of the film, very disturbing and certainly disturbing for this young woman who described how she was pushed down on the floor and her face was shoved into a bathroom floor while she was being raped. and even the state's attorney who let jameis winston avoid trial said he knew something very bad happened that night. but you go through all of this process and you actually despite the fact that information was out there, you have other parts of it where there are female fsu fans that were calling her extraordinarily bad names. it reminds us of after ray rice

shown beating up his wife you had women in baltimore wearing a ray rice jersey immediately after. it's kind of -- it was dumbfounding to us to watch your documentary and see this behavior. >> yeah, it's very sad, and it's part of our culture, right? we don't want to believe bad news about our heroes. we really need to change that because, unfortunately, that kind of veneration and adoration of people that might be talented in one area should not extend to giving them a hall pass for any other behaviors they might have off the field. >> we want to show another clip from the film. this is the former assistant dean of students at unc chapel hill melinda manning in the film saying that schools actually discouraged students from taking rape reports to the police to avoid embarrassing public records about assaults. take a look. >> so in your time at unc, how many students came to you and said they'd been assaulted? >> hard to put a number on it.

so at least a hundred. >> of the hundred, how many of the perpetrators were from campus. >> from what i remember no one was expelled at the time. >> so these guys could just get away with it? >> absolutely. and people could commit it repeatedly. >> also joining us kirby dick who wrote and directed the film as well. kirby, thank you for joining us. i don't even know what to say after hearing that interview, but that's the reality. >> and it is. it's bad pr. girls come to -- young women come to administrators and say, i've been raped and in this film you have examples of administrators who should be there to protect. discouraging because it's bad press. >> yeah, we saw that again and again in schools across the country that schools were more concerned about their reputation moshre concerned about their donations than they were about the safety of their own students.

that's one of the reasons we made this film. we really wanted the public to know that this is going on at campuses across the country. >> john heilemann. >> in the specific instance there's a problem with the power of athletic departments and universities that want to protect their players and the revenues they bring but you're talking about a broader, more widespread phenomenon that you say is a systemic problem across the culture and the country, is that correct? >> that is correct. we hear about the cases involving athletics because they're the high profile cases, but in fact it's not just athletes by any means. it's at schools across the country, whether they're a small liberal arts school, an ivy league school all those schools we saw time and again they were more interested in their reputation than the safety of their own students. >> we were talking about jameis

winston's case the most high profile. as you started writing this and digging into it wa the most shocking part of that story was? >> well i think initially the most shocking part was how the investigation was mishandled. i mean the state prosecutor said that he probably could have gotten the information he needed to determine if a crime had lapped within 24 hours and the tallahassee police department did not do that. it took them months and months really to even begin to get information. by then most of the leads were really cold. >> and why did it take them months and months after a young woman reported being raped, went to the hospital called 911, went there that night, had her parents drive up that night, lie in bed with her and hug her in bed. i mean, it's not like she sat there and said oh this guy's a big star three weeks later and then -- >> right. >> that night in realtime she did everything we would tell our

daughters to do. >> yes, yes. >> how could the tallahassee police not move on this? >> well that's our question. that's the question of people across the country. there have been many outlets. "the new york times" has reported on this extensively. the tallahassee police department has no answer for this. what's important to us as parents they were interested in protecting a future star athlete. they did do the investigation that they needed to do. >> well i think the next stop here is to put in a call to the tallahassee police department and ask them to be on the show and perhaps give us some answers as well. you can put those questions in writing if they would not like to show their faces on the show. >> "the hunting ground" is a very, very important movie. we may be talking about one horrible incident with jameis winston and this young girl but you know what mika has daughters in college and going to college. that's why she showed one of those daughters that. if you have a daughter going to any college in america, you need

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producer of "fashion police" on e!. you guys are so mean sometimes. >> no, we're not. >> the new book "the book of joan." this is about your mom. >> this is about -- it's a series of essays or as fancy people would say musings. >> oh, musings. >> musings. >> would joan call it that? >> no she'd be like a bunch of stories. about my life with my mother. my mother different topics. stuff that i think about. >> a great dedication for my mother whom i think about every day. for my father who as of this past september is no longer resting in peace. >> there you go. >> he is not. >> no. >> what kind of journey was this like for you? because this was very sudden and your pain was very public. >> yes. originally they came to me and said, do you want to write a

memoir, i said absolutely not. and then i thought, well an advice book, great, that's not going to work. okay. i heard my inner voice saying you take that money and you run. because we always had this running joke that she wanted to write a book called "comedienne dearest" and put it in the safety box so as soon as she died i'd have a book to publish. in the end i wanted to call it cheaper than therapy. but then they were worried it would end up in self-help and this is not a self-help book. i'm 100% positive. >> because this is joan rivers' idea of self-help. melissa, helen keller once said life is a great adventure or it's nothing. of course, she said it to a coffee table. awful. >> so anybody that's looking for a sad, dreary ride -- >> no. >> pass this book. do not look at this. because this book is fun and celebrates your mom. >> it's funny, it celebrates you'll laugh, you're cry, two

thumbs up. >> do you have a favorite story about your mom? >> i have so many. the five most frightening words in the household were melissa, get in the car. because she was a terrible driver. i talk about when she took me to traffic court and i walk in. juvenile traffic court for those of you who have children of driving age. >> right here. >> and i lied about the ticket and my dad had covered for me. we go to traffic court. as they call me they say, how do you plead? before i could even get the words out, she says guilty and she needs to go to traffic school. >> oh my god. >> excuse me. whose team are you on? >> i need you in my house. because they consider me like the one that horrifies. >> no she was never allowed to drive my son. because the bumps in the road the turtles are where you would line up the hood ornament because you were nice in the center. >> great, terrific. >> i was watching the letterman special. his whole career he owes to johnny carson.

he talks about that. your mom had an incredible relationship with carson. she was the permanent guest host. then eventually he banned her from the show. >> yes. >> talk about that relationship. just seems really interesting. >> at one point my mother owed so much to carson. it was through carson she met my father. i was nine or ten months old and it was his birthday. my parents thought it would be really funny. they dressed me up pinned a note on me. dear mr. carson my parents didn't know what to give you for your birthday and they gave you their most precious possession. and the nanny walked in and gave him me in the middle of a meeting. you wonder why i have abandonment issues. >> horrible. talking about the tragic passing of your mom, you just said not so long ago that you thought it was 100% preventable. >> yes. again, that's my opinion. >> that's your opinion.

but it obviously makes it so much harder to deal with that. >> yes. and we have filed a very detailed legal brief. >> right. >> about it. >> and you're not lawyer. >> i'm not a lawyer. everything's alleged. >> so we'll follow that as it goes along. >> it's hard. >> you get in this the importance of learning growing old and working just as hard celebrity, genetics all in the title, mirth, mischief and manipulation. melissa river, thank you. >> congratulations. today is publishing day. >> it's going to fly. >> it will fly off the shelves. >> perfect. >> up next, what if anything did we learn today. i'm meteorologist bill karins brushfire ended up being

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