hreatening the foundation of religious liberty by criminalizing christianity. >> welcome to the race, governor huckabee. that is all for now. "the ed show" is up next. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show," live from new york. let's get to work! tonight -- >> i am a candidate for president of the united states of america! plus -- >> hillary clinton is taking her presidential campaign to nevada today. >> i have a lot of admiration for hillary clinton, but she clearly is not trustworthy. later -- >> just about nowhere else on the planet where there's more at risk from sea level rise so fast. and -- >> governor greg abbott is defending his decision to watch over a u.s. military training exercise. >> we're not going to interfere with their privacy or their rights. >> i didn't believe a single word that he just said.

good to have you with us tonight, folks, thanks for watching. it is official the reverend mike huckabee is going to do it again. he wants to be president of the united states. huckabee kicked off the campaign from his hometown of hope arkansas, earlier today. the former baptist preacher is again running as a social conservative. it's the same old act. he started his speech by recalling his childhood in hope. >> i learned about america. in miss mary's kindergarten as well as at brookwood elementary school, i learned the pledge of allegiance, the lord's prayer and the preamble to the constitution. we prayed at the start of each day and we prayed again before lunch. and i learned that this exceptional country could only be explained by the providence of almighty god. >> well huckabee wasted no time going right at the president of the united states, attacking president obama. >> it was eight years ago that a young untested inexperienced,

and virtually unknown freshman senator made great speeches about hope and change. but eight years later, our debt's more than doubled, america's leadership in the world has completely evaporated and the country is more polarized than ever in my lifetime. 93 million americans don't have jobs. and many of them who do have seen their full-time job with benefits they once had become two part-time jobs with no benefits at all. we were promised hope. but it was just talk. >> there is no doubt that huckabee's got the smooth. the tv and radio gig certainly helped him out. so let's go to foreign policy. he took a hard line on isis and iran. he slammed president obama's foreign policy. >> so when i hear our current president say he wants christians to get off their high horse so they can make nice with radical jihadists, i wonder -- [ booing ] i wonder if he could watch a western from the '50s and be

able to figure out who the good guys and the bad guys really are. [ cheers and applause ] >> oh, yeah, war talk always works. of course, huckabee appeared to his social conservative base again. >> we've lost our way morally. we've witnessed the slaughter of over 55 million babies in the name of choice and we are now threatening the foundation of religious liberty by criminalizing christianity and demanding that we abandon biblical principles of natural marriage. >> remember, folks, this is about winning iowa first. huckabee has a lot of work to do if you look at the polls. is talk like that beginning to work in 2015? the latest nbc news "wall street journal" poll has huckabee in sixth place at five5%. his recent headlines aren't doing him any favors either. this comment caused huckabee some major head aix. >> it's one of the things where in a business meeting that you might have in the south or in the midwest in iowa you would

not have people who would just throw the "f" bomb and use gratuitous profanity in a professional setting. >> right. >> in new york not only do the men do it, but the women do it. and, you know, you're just looking around saying my gosh this is worse than locker room talk. this would be considered totally inappropriate to say these things in front of a woman, and for a woman to say them in a professional setting, we would only assume that this is a very -- as we would say in the south, that's just trashy. >> huckabee also turned heads with these remarks on contraception. >> if the democrats want to insult the women of america by making them believe that they are helpless without uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it let us take that discussion all across america, because women are far more than the democrats have played them to be, and women across america

need to stand up and say, enough of that nonsense. >> yeah the democrats just want to make sure they get paid for a day's work unlike the republicans. well, if you look at the polls right now, it's not looking too good for huckabee. but in 2008 it was a totally different story. huckabee easily won in iowa with the caucuses going on. he beat mitt romney by nine points and beat john mccain by 21 points. he won iowa with a very simple formula that he still follows to this day. >> hillary's going to be a very formidable candidate. there's no question about that. but she's got a lot to deal with this time that she didn't before. she's tied to the obama administration. i don't think that is a plus for her. recent polls show that there is almost an overwhelming demand for people to undo a lot of obama's policies, both domestically and in foreign policy. she's going to have to explain how she's not going to be obama's third term. >> and let's go further with the clintons. huckabee says he knows a thing

or two about taking on the clintons. >> every time i ever ran for public office in arkansas george, every time i really ran against the clinton political machine that had been developed for about 15 to 20 years before i ended up winning office. every race i ever had, i ran against their machinery. i ran against their money. both bill and hillary cam back and campaigned for every opponent i had. to be fair it wasn't personal it was just business. but it was tough business. and you know the clintons very well. they play to win. >> now, what is a preacher doing quoting a mafia guy? whatever. huckabee absolutely has got some issues as a republican candidate. but the interesting twist in this guy's candidacy early on is that he is against the transpacific partnership. he is from a small town. it sounds like he understands what's happened to rural america. speaking of rural america, that was the exact strength that mike huckabee had back in 2008.

if you look at the map, he won most of rural iowa. in fact, almost all of it. and des moines. eastern and western borders counties of iowa went to mitt romney. so the question is who's going to win rural iowa this time around? is it going to be rand paul? is it going to be ted cruz? i would put my money on the preacher. keep in mind, rick santorum won iowa back in 2012, but, of course, those two weren't head-to-head in the caucuses at that particular time. so if santorum jumps in i think it's beginning to be obviously huckabee and santorum for rural iowa and of course rural iowa does show up when it comes to the caucuses. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. despite the polls, does huckabee's experience of winning in iowa give him an edge? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results later on in the show.

for more on this let's turn now to brad woodhouse, the president of american bridge 21st century. and matt schlapp joins us tonight as a former white house political director for george w. bush. jept matt, i believe it's the first time that you and i have had an opportunity to visit. let's go right to mike huckabee in iowa. if he won it in 2008 why wouldn't he win it in 2012? what has he possibly done that would turn those voters away from him? >> one of the things that hillary clinton's going to find that mike huckabee's going to find, tariq sanhat rick santorum is going to find is it is usually easier to run for the white house the second time. i do agree with you that he's got a leg up in that sense. but the other thing to consider is this. unlike the last two republican nominations, all of you are candidates are running as conservatives. it's not a john mccain or a mitt romney who are trying to make it up to conservatives. most of our candidates, really all of them are running as

conservatives and have strong conservative records, so it will be harder for mike huckabee to differentiate himself against the pack this time around. >> but when it comes to gays guns, and god it played for him back in 2008. is iowa still the same state? what do you think, matt? >> yeah, i mean, demographically demographically, iowa as well as south carolina, these are states that have strong pockets of social conservative voters. and it's going to be a very important constituency for the republicans as they pick their nominee. >> so who do you think would wrestle these social conservatives away from huckabee? >> look i think -- you know if you look through what scott walker is saying, what jeb bush is saying, what ted cruz is saying, what marco rubio is saying there's not a big disagreement on policy. maybe there's a disagreement on the words they choose and the tone they use. but by and large, the policies stack up throughout the field. what's unusual about this republican field is they're all running to grab the conservative mantle. i, of course think that's a

great thing. >> all right, brad it's pretty clear that mike huckabee wants to connect hillary clinton to barack obama. how does that play in iowa? >> well look. barack obama won iowa twice. he won iowa in the primary in 2008. look, i think mike huckabee's got to figure out what matthew just said and that's how to distinguish himself in the primary. you have 20 republican candidates who are spending almost their entire time bashing hillary clinton. so that's not going to distinguish him. i think what will distinguish him is some of the comments the type of comments that you played leading into this segment, which, you know look mike huckabee is a pre "mad men" type candidate. he's as anti-woman as anti-gay as any candidate that is running, and that might be what he thinks the formula is sister iowa. >> he says he knows how to run against the clintons. what's your response?

>> well i think that's crap. he's never run against a clinton. i think it would be interesting to see him run against hillary clinton in a general election. this stuff about i ran against the clinton machine. you run against a candidate or you don't run against another candidate. he's never run against the clintons. i don't think he has any idea what he would be in for. >> brad aren't you rather curious about which billionaire is going to cozy up to mike huckabee? >> well i think it's really interesting. today in his announcement, he said bring on the million-dollar checks. i mean he literally violated campaign finance law right out of the gate. >> matt what about that? who's going to cozy up to mike huckabee when it comes to money? >> that's a great question. there's no question that all of the republican candidates seem to be squiring around the country looking to get this kind of support. i'll be honest with you, as republican, as conservative i think they ought to be awfully careful with doing that.

mitt romney said an unfortunate statement about 47% of the american people and he could never shake it. it's more important to find the billionaires that are beginning to support them than it is to talk to regular people struggling to pay their bills, i think that's a big problem. >> 45% of the voters in iowa in 2008 when huckabee was in the running identified themselves as very conservative. he got more than a third of those voters. brad do you think iowa's different today than what it was in 2008 on the social issues? >> you know i don't. i don't think it's vastly different. i think that's why you see -- you know, ted cruz announced his candidacy at liberty university. mike huckabee's announcement today was totally geared at evangelicals and very conservative people within the party. and his rhetoric has been like that. his rhetoric on fox has been like that. so i think they believe in largely the same. that's the audience they're playing to. >> if i could, ed when mike

huckabee ran the last time he was appraised by a lot of people for having a more moderate voice on issues like environmental issues and climate, and he was really embraced for that town. and now all of a sudden he's being criticized for being anti-people because he's a strong christian. i think it's a mistake for democrats to simply act like faith in our politics isn't an important discussion. it is. bill clinton reached out to those voters. jimmy carter reached out to those voters. successful democratic presidents have reached out to those voters. we know barack obama ran as a pro-traditional marriage. your party would be smart to reach out to them, too. >> if he wants to go after those voters, i'm perfectly happy with it. in fact, he's got no threat to be president. i'm thrilled that he's in the race buzz he's going to pull the party further and further to right on these issues. i mean remember 2012. mitt romney against plan

parenthood. mitt romney against immigration reform. the republican party that was -- >> don't forget 2014. >> a presidential race matthew. we're in a presidential electorate in 2016. if you want to run like you're living in the 1950s, go for it. >> just don't forget 2014. all those issues boomeranged. your tone of being hostile to cultural conservatives is a mistake, but i'm glad you're doing it. >> great to have both of you with us tonight. i'll say one thing. i think huckabee by far is the best communicator of everybody in the republican field right now. the guy knows how to get his message across. remember to answer tonight's question, we'll have the results right after this break. follow us on facebook and watch my facebook feature "give me a minute." you can get my video podcast at wegoted.com. coming up part two of our

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clinton's swing through nevada came on the same day as the release of peter schweizer's " "clinton cash." media matters found more than 20 errors fabrications or distortions in the book. it hasn't stopped republicans from running with the narrative that hillary is "untrustworthy." carly fiorina took a swipe at hillary clinton just a moment after she announced her own run for the presidency. >> i have a lot of admiration for hillary clinton but she clearly is not trustworthy, she has not been transparent about a whole set of things that matter. >> joining me now is david brock, founder and co-chairman of the board of media matters for america. david, good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks for having me back. >> you've heard this narrative before. branding hillary clinton untrustworthy is nothing new for republicans. does it have legs in the wake of the e-mails, benghazi and everything else? it seems like there's enough

there to gin up the base against her. but how many independents would it actually pull? how much of a problem is this for hillary clinton? what do you think? >> i guess the question is is this political smear on the clinton foundation going to work? i think this is a classic smear in that you prove nothing, but then you say the target is somehow burdened by scandal, and if you do it right, you make that false association. but i don't think at the end of the day this cloud of republican suspicion is going to work. people are going to see through it. and what they're going to see if they look into this book as we did at media matters, that it's 100% innuendo. they're going to see the political ties behind it. ted cruz's super pac and the koch brothers. at the end of the day, no. is it beginning to matter? it's going to harden her opposition. is it going persuade anybody? no. what's going to persuade people is when secretary clinton gets out there as she did today and shows that she gets it that there are americans out there

who still have it hard and she's devoted her whole life to making things better for all americans and that's why she's going to be the next president. not any of the nonsense that people are obsessed with in washington. >> okay. so media matters has documented that the koch brothers are behind this book this smear campaign, correct? >> that's right. yes. >> okay. bill clinton comes out in a lengthy interview with an nbc correspondent and talks directly about the foundation. he says it's not an attack on hillary, they're after the foundation. what do you make of that political tactic? what does it mean that he stepped out early on and defended the foundation and his wife? >> well i think it's necessary to defend the foundation. it's been under this coordinated republican assault now for two weeks. and the idea -- look, it's both about secretary clinton and it's about the foundation. nothing's been proven here. the state department yesterday said they looked at it and there was not one action that secretary clinton took tied to either donations to the clinton

foundation or to president clinton's speaking fees. there's no quid pro quo. the author has admitted it himself. so what you have here the truth is secretary clinton probably every waking moment as secretary of state, was concerned and fighting for u.s. security. the suggest here, it's not only false, it's outrageous that she somehow jeopardized our safety for money. it never happened. and the money, as president clinton explained, went into the clinton foundation. $100 billion over the years that saved and improved 400 million lives in 180 countries. i mean that's really impressive work. and it's good that the president is out there talking about it. more people need to know about the good works of the foundation. >> there's no doubt. is there a real sense of credibility to this book in any way at all, seeing that the clinton team has set up a

website and twitter entirely devoted to pushing back on this book? i mean clearly they think the book might have an impact and they want to clear the deck as often as possible. what do you make of this? >> well believe at media matters, every chart that's put out there needs to be answered. the answer here is not only media matters, but independent media outlets that are cited by the campaign looked into this and what did they find? they found quotes that were doctored and they found, you know chronologies that don't match up and they found the author falsely saying that the secretary of state had powers that she didn't have and he admitted that today to politico and an allegation that's based on a phony hoax press release widely known as a hoax. so that's what you have here. and it's important that that get out. >> interesting story last week that the koch brothers funded an

organization that was setting up clinics to teach spanish-speaking folks, whether they're documented or undocumented, to get a driver's license, to learn how to take the test. hillary is out there in nevada today talking about immigration reform. is this a coincidence or is it reactionary? >> i don't think it's reactionary to do what the koch brothers are doing, but there's a legitimate concern on the democratic side of what the koch brothers are doing. i mean, they've said they're going to spend up to a billion dollars, and that's not only to drop negative advertising on hillary clinton's head. but they get it in the sense that they are looking at making inroads with millennials. they've got a front group for that. and they're looking at making inroads with latinos and they've got a front group for that. and you've got to say they looked at where they failed. they're retooling. and it certainly is a threat. >> david brock, always a pleasure. good to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me on.

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>> reporter: authorities have not yet confirmed communication ties between isis and the shooters. a full fbi investigation continues. joining me tonight, steve clemens, msnbc contributor, editor at large for "the atlantic" magazine. here we have an after the fact, hey, these are our guys. is this claim from isis steve, legitimate or a publicity stunt? >> well it's legitimate in the sense that isis called for a global activity by people to take up the knife, to go after american soldiers american police. others in western societies. and to basically create havoc around the world. so while it sounds you know very large and indirect nonetheless, isis believes that it motivated and was the inspiration for these attacks. and it may very well have been. so it's claiming them. it's a very different methodology that we've seen from al qaeda and many other jihadist groups. but isis you know painted this picture a long time ago and said

we're going to inspire people to take action everywhere. and thus i see it as a legitimate claim. >> okay so should the terror group's claim raise concerns? what do you think? >> oh, absolutely. it means we've got people that are lurking in our society that can be triggered to go take action. pamela gellar is not somebody i share a world view with but clearly she has the right to free speech. they stirred up attention, but they had the right to do that. but it's going to incite people who use those as inflection points to take action, and you're going to have conflicts. so we have this in our society. it's in england, it's in france it's in brussels all over the world, in italy, and right here at home in the united states. >> steve clemens. always a pleasure. part two of our series "rising tide: the climate crisis" next here on "the ed show." stay tuned. i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. stocks fall on a rally in oil.

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welcome back to "the ed show." part two of our series tonight "rising tide: the climate crisis." we head to miami-dade county. these beach communities are already feeling the impact of climate change. the rising water table causes

local roads to flood, even on sunny days. scientists in the area say that if nothing is done, the worst is yet to come. >> i hope you're listening because this is so serious. >> climate change is happening. >> we're really standing here at ground zero. there's just about nowhere else on the planet where there's more at risk from sea level rise so fast. >> because of global warming, we are facing an accelerating rise of sea level that is going to do severe inundation of our low-lying coastal areas, our barrier islands, low-lying communities like most of southeast florida. during this century and beyond. >> here in south florida, you talk to any scientist or anybody who is working on climate change, and they use two words consistently. irreversible damage. the water's coming and they

can't do anything about it. >> this is not going to happen. >> this is going to happen. we have warmed the ocean too much. we're into it for centuries. the greenhouse gases that we're putting in the atmosphere are causing a warming. because they capture this back radiation -- >> it's manmade? >> it's manmade. since 1950 or so, we have been driving climate change. >> how do we reverse it? can we do anything? >> we have to. we probably won't be able to prevent the first six or ten feet of sea level rise. i think we're pretty well locked into that. >> beachfront communities in south florida are looking to the arctic to find out what the future holds for them. >> we are experiencing the climate change every day, and you are about to see it tomorrow. >> the warmed ocean is setting

into motion accelerating melt of green greenland, and i don't know how you turn this around. >> seeing this world's fastest glacier use an ice shelf the size of manhattan island while doubling in speed, this is a monumental change. >> we're very close, probably within a decade of having an ice-free arctic ocean in the summer. that's going to warm the northern part of greenland as you warm that ocean. that is efficienting the melt of permafrost, which is releasing more co2 and more methane, another powerful greenhouse gas. the current u.s. government projections with accelerating ice melt are 4.1 to 6.6 feet by the end of the century. that's enough to do in all the barrier islands of the world and that's enough to pretty well do in a place like miami-dade county. 6.6 feet that would be two feet by 2048.

that's barely a mortgage cycle away. >> the effects are already visible along the shoreline. >> we have had about a foot of sea level rise in the last 85 years. globally in south florida, and so that has destabilized all of the beaches and barrier islands everywhere. >> renderings created from climate data show a bleak outcome for iconic ocean drive in the coming centuries. >> out in the coast we're starting to get high tide flooding. when the moon goes full the tides come up higher than they used to. some reengineering of the islands and channels have caused harder currents that are pushing water inland. inland, we have a different situation. we have what's called a potential for river flooding. so as the waters come up on the coast, the water management district has had to raise the

heights of our canals to keep the salt water from pushing inland and taking out our water supply. and so that's raised our water table. >> if the water gets too high, you start to use glass flats and these are inkri cattricate for so many species. they need grass, they need mangroves. if the water comes up too fast, the mangroves will die and the grass will not be able to take sunlight and live. >> while there's water everywhere, south florida's drinking water is at risk. 90% of fresh water supply moves through the poorest limestone aquifer. >> we live on porous limestone here. it comes through the limestone and back up through the other side. there's no way to armor this. >> we can't play the netherlands, we can't play new orleans and live below sea level. that would be unbelievable amount of giant pumps spewing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to try to do that. >> the miami metro area is

already home to more than five million people and growing. >> we're building like there's no tomorrow. unfortunately, there is at some point no tomorrow for down here. we will have to move on. we have a real catastrophe coming on our hands. and we need to plan for it. >> joining me tonight, carrie kennedy, president of the robert f. kennedy center for justice and human rights. good to have you with us tonight. is climate change a human rights issue? >> absolutely. we see this all over the world, places like bangladesh places that have huge migrations because of climate change. peoples who live in island nations who are literally going under water. >> that story in south florida, real estate folks aren't getting the message, construction isn't getting the message.

i mean they're acting like don't worry about tomorrow. what do you make of that? how do you turn that around? >> well i think, you know a show like yours is so very very important. organizing on college campuses like the no tomorrow campaign which is beginning on october 2nd this year across the country and others. but, you know there's something each of us can do to impact climate change. but it's really important to remember that it's better to change your leader than your lightbulb. and we just have to hold our political leaders accountable. >> yet there is a number of deniers in washington. unless you have a political commitment, can we address climate change? >> i don't think it's possible unless all of us get out there and use our franchise and vote and demand change from our political leaders. you know we didn't just ratify

the kyoto protocol in 1997 because the republican control of the congress. and we're facing the same thing today. so i think president obama has been very courageous and shown leadership on this issue. but we need as a people to band together and demand more. >> do you think this factors into 2016 in a big way? for instance, health care in 2008 the economy in 2012. could this signature 2016 for a younger generation? >> i think for the next generation this is the issue. the impact of climate change and human rights on the next generation. because they're the ones who are really going to be feeling the impact. and we're the ones who are causing the problem. >> all right, the robert f. kennedy center for justice and human rights. you've got an auction going on. it's been a fabulous organization. you've done wonderful things around the globe.

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university of kansas held its annual spring game recently, and among the former gridiron greats was 89-year-old brian sparry the world war ii veteran who played for the jay hawks in the '40s appearing in the orange bowl in 1947 and 1948. almost seven decades later, he was back on the field caught a pass, and with a little bit of help from his offensive line, oh nelly, as keith jackson would say, he has gone all the way for a touchdown! how about that? also the force was at all bases last night as major league teams celebrated "star wars" day. the anthem angels let darth vader call balls and strikes for the ceremonial first pitch. the tampa bay rays faced fans from the dark side as they took on the red sox at fenway. washington nationals traded bats for light sabres in this video promoting an upcoming "star wars" night at the park.

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and finally tonight, there is a texas-sized conspiracy theory brewing down in the good old state of texas, the lone star state. this summer the u.s. military is holding a huge training exercise in texas and other western states.

it's called jade helm 15 and it has sparked absurd conspiracy theories. some think it's really a military takeover of texas or the military trying to implement martial law. it's of course an absurd conspiracy theory but republicans are actually fueling the fire. texas governor greg abbott asked the state guard to monitor the exercise. he wrote a letter saying it is important that texans know their safety constitutional rights private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed by monitoring the operation on a tunnel basis, the state guard will facilitate communications between my office and the commanders of the operation to ensure that the adequate measures are in place to protect texans. texas senator ted cruz his office actually reached out to the pentagon on this. >> my office we've reached out to the pentagon to inquire about this exercise.

we're assured that it's a military training exercise, and i have no reason to doubt those assurance assurances, but i understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many of the citizens don't trust what it's saying. >> i mean, if you can't trust the military works can you trust. i'm glad senator ted cruz trusts the pentagon. a pentagon spokesman told cnn jade helm is a long planned and coordinated exercise. we are not taking over anything. large-scale military exercises in western states are nothing new. the terrain is similar to places overseas where troops may be fighting. for more let's bring in wayne slater, a "dallas morning news" contributor and harold cook a texas democratic strategist. gentlemen, great to have you with us. mr. slater you first. how does a journalist take this reaction seriously? >> well you know we have a

saying here in texas, and it's i don't know much, but i suspect a lot, and that's -- so it's understandable that some folks out there on the far right fringe who for years, for decades, the birther, bychers secessionist element of the republican party and maybe no party at all see a conspiracy at every turn. i think what you do here is you ignore it until the governor of texas steps in and seems to give aid and comfort and by doing so raises the whole issue. one point, ed and that's that had be agreg abbott, the governor, not stepped in nobody would have paid any attention to it but he did. it was a wink and a nod and in so doing i think as a journalist it seems to me that be a botd is reflecting an attitude about how the republican party has moved over the last ten years,

especially so that some of this stuff, if not mainstream at least is not wackoville anymore. >> i mean this isn't just a passing comment, harold. this is all in all the way. the texas governor saying his office will be monitoring the pentagon operations. what do you make of this? what's motivateing here? >> here's the deal. i don't think for a second that he buys into the conspiracy theories himself which actually in a way makes it worse that he weighed in on this. i think what he's doing is what wayne said. he's reflecting the changes in the republican party. he's basically sucking up to the kooks, and there's no other way -- there's no way to sugarcoat this ed. i haven't been able to stop laughing about it right up until the time i start thinking about the extend to which all of this

refleblgts reflects some fundamental disrespect on the military. >> it is. but we've also got the ted cruz trust but verify right? is that where we are, harold? >> yeah. well i can assure senator cruz you know the epicenter of this in texas is about 25 miles down the road here in bastrop where they had a town meeting a couple nights ago where all the kooks showed up in full force. i can assure them though that there's no sign that americans have invaded america so i think we're going to be fine ed. >> mr. slater this is the map that apparently is causing all the controversy. this is a mock training map, a diagram of certain portions of texas. is this the root of the cause right here? what do you make of it? >> well it's the kind of map that moved among these folks on social media reflected by some of the conspiracy theorists, including a guy who lives here in austin who has quite a following on the very far fringe, so when you have a map where you have the state of texas as hostile territory on a

military -- for a potential military takeover it again, feeds a narrative from the bircher here's in the '50s and '60s, a distrusted of government, but also i think one reason that the governor thought it was safe enough to at least offer this -- some aid and comfort to this idea was that obama is president, and republicans now, this governor rick perry before him and others, have always been very quick to say i can't trust the government. what they are really saying is we don't trust obama, and we've got a lot of people behind us in this state who are with us. >> finally, harold this is just another example about how all you folks in texas always seem to corner the market on political fun. >> i'm telling you, you need to just move yourself down here permanently. we'll never run out of fun to have. this isn't very serious, this martial law concept unless they start rationing barbecue and at

that point there will be annoyed people. wayne and i might get on our tin foil hats ourselves and join the militia. >> gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. wayne slater and harold cook from texas. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton start right now. good evening rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with developing news. attorney general loretta lynch traveling to baltimore and diving into a national debate over policing. today she met with the family of freddie gray. she met with leaders across the city including the police commissioner and police officers. she met with students at the university of baltimore, and she met with the mayor, promising to work with the city long after the media spotlight fades. >> this is one of my first visits as attorney general to