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they found patriots employees are likely to have deflated the balls intentionally and that quarterback tom brady was at least generally aware that this activity was going on. if i was tom brady, though, and i actually did it tell the locker room attendant to do this, you know what i'd say when i found out 11 of 12 were deflated? why didn't you deflate the 12th ball. >> >> and that is a good question. welcome to "morning joe". we have mike barnicle sam stein, and in washington senior national correspondent josh green is with us. willie new york daily news and "post" are really happy today. >> there are a couple approaches. boston globe nfl implicates brady. one way itto report the story. and then the new york "post,"

and i'll let you read that for yourself. here is the "daily news". we'll talk more about that in a minute. >> patriots owner bob kraft was very angry when this first came out and flanddemanded an apology. >> and he's still angry. >> but some of this stuff is real. and you can't really take back texts and e-mails that indicate that there is some knowledge. we'll get to this. but deflategate, yes, it's back in the news. also major developments in the political world. a state department official testifies yesterday that hillary clinton's e-mail practices were quote, not acceptable. and josh has a new piece where he speaks with clinton foundation donor frank giustra, the man at the center of one of the key examples in the book "clinton cash". and while we're focused on 2016 it's election day in england.

did you know that is this? kind of exciting. >> did it you vote? >> no but you know who will be here who may have piers morgan. so we'll talk with him. but first, we want to begin this morning with the severe weather that still isn't over some 50 towards ripped truth throughhrough the southern 34r5i7bplains. at least 12 from an trailer park were rushed to the hospital. two with critical injuries. they're going door to door in search of victims. the unprecedented rain also forced oklahoma city to declare its first ever flash flood emergency. the national weather service sent out an alert urging people to seek higher ground. and if that's not scary enough, a wildlife refuge also took a direct hit allowing lions and tigers and other exotic animals

to roam freely before all being recaptured a short time later. which is good news. seriously. >> apocalyptic. >> all right. bill karins, what's the latest? >> oklahoma city was a mess last night for about a two hour period right during the peak of rush hour. they had kids being kept in the schools because this monster super cell thunderstorm with a large tornado was approaching. extremely scary situation. thought we were going to have another moore, oklahoma type event. thankfully it weakened and did not last long on the ground. that said about two dozen injuries and a lot of homes and businesses damaged. so today through the weekend, i really think it will get worse in the days ahead. today a few tornados likely again. large hail also 37 best chance of tornadoes areas west of dallas, amarillo into areas of north texas. today should not be as bad as what we experienced yesterday. friday will be worse than today. friday we're already seeing an enhanced risk.

that's the area of orange. that's where we're looking for oklahoma south all the way through central texas. notice it's the same exact locations day after day. that's why flooding will be a huge concern, also. saturday will be the peak of this event. we are already watch wlaging what we call a moderate risk. the difference yesterday, today, tom, compared to saturday saturday will be favorable for long track tornadoes. those are the big ones that are on the ground potentially for an hour or two and just eliminate everything in their path. they are always the most deadly and that's what we're looking at for a possibility on saturday. so it will be a long three day period. >> all right, bill keep us posted. to our top story now the long awaited league report has been released on whether the new england patriots cheated against the indianapolis colts in the afc title game by deflating the balls making them easier to handle. and it is tainting the super bowl champion patriots and star quarterback tom brady in a very

harsh light. ron mott has the details in foxborough foxborough, massachusetts. >> reporter: tom brady addressed the public in january and denied any involvement in what has become known as deflategate. >> i've always played within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. i believe in fair play. >> reporter: bru >> reporter: but an nfl found it is more probable than not that the quarterback was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities. the report said patriots personnel were involved in the he effort the to circumvent the rules. jim mcnally and john jastremski participated in the effort to eliminate air from the game balls. >> there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence, although it still lacks the smoking gun. >> reporter: the patriots soundly defeated the colts 45-7

to advance to the super bowl. officials discovered 11 of 12 game balls used by brady and the patriots offense different balls used by the opponent were underin-freighted below the nfl minimum of 12.5 pounds per squash inch. the investigation showed the two men disparaged brady in text messages after he complained about football air pressure mcnally writing i'm going to make that next ball a balloon. tom, 16 is nothing. wait until next sunday. roger goodell said the league will consider taking did disciplinary action saying in a statement we will continue our efforts vigorously to protect the integrity of the game and promote fair play at all times. reaction by fans outside the team's stadium were mixed. >> it's a shame, but i'll still be a patriots fan when it's all said and done. >> he's carried himself over these last 14 15 years as a pro, acted as a pro. just as much a pro off the field as he is on the field. and i suggest what we're talking about is much ado about nothing.

>> reporter: at the super bowl bob kraft demanded an apology from the nfl if the investigation turned up no proof of wrong doing. >> i would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team and in particular coach belichick and tom brady for what they have had to endure this past week. >> wow. you know what -- i'm just saying, i'm not talking that way if somebody has me you know where they want me. >> where is it going to end today? >> listen, they're liars. that's what is disappointing. i will tell you, i like the patriots. i cheer for the patriots. after about ten other teams get out. after the falcons and after the jets. i mean but they're -- it's a shame they're a great organization but why lie. >> we have a rachk range of

opinion here from sam stein who thinks brady should be september for guantanamo and josh green who thinks they should build a bigger statue of brady. >> like the one i have in high front yard. >> the report zesays the ownership and coaching staff and even the equipment manager knew nothing about this. so it's a break circumstantial case. they have all these text messages. they even go on to say in the report there is less direct evidence lingering brady to tampering activities than mcnally or jastremski. >> so is he a liar or not? >> they can't say. that's the whole problem. >> it's more probable than not. >> more probable than not that he's a dirty liar. well i don't know if that's a stron strong enough standing. what kind of standard is that? >> it's a ridiculous standard. >> it's not like there was a

needle sticking out of his ass. i mean you don't know. this is ridiculous. what are you, a giants fan all of a sudden? oh that explains it. >> sam is a giants fan. so am i by the way. >> which is weird that he lives in d.c.. they also only isolated to the afc championship game. they couldn't figure out if it started about then. >> so brady has been set up p. >> the whole thing was produced by a history of belief that the patriots -- colts actually made an objection to the footballs the day before the afc championship game because they had experienced there's deflated ball there is prior match-ups. so they made this inquiry to the refs, said watch out for this. and then lo and behold, it was there. as for brady -- >> josh this is -- >> a quick question. brady, who is in his own -- he admits this himself is

particular incredibly particular about the balls. he wants to make sure that the -- >> every quarterback is particular about the balls. >> so the question is why would two locker room attendants unilaterally deflate all the balls without actually talking to the man who has to play with them the day before the biggest game of the season? it defies logic. >> it does not defy logic. the answer is right there in the report. first of all, let's be clear about one thing. more probable than not, couldn't get a conviction on a jay walking conviction this court on that. but to answer sam's question brady obviously likes his balls deflated at the lower end of the legal limit. look at the text messages. they were talking about blowing up the ball like a balloon, they were talking about inflating balls, not taking air out of them. obviously if is ball a inflated to 16 pounds per square inch he wants them at 12. >> let's go to real news. come on. >> i really wanted to hear your question. >> ask a question quick.

>> you can imagine the furor if this were russell will soon and the seahawks? >> if a baseball team played in the world series and 10 out of the 11 bats that they used were corked, it would be like is this a huge scandal, right? well why is this any different? >> let's rule this by a democracy. how many people believe brady is lying? one, two. how many people believe brady is being set up? >> oh, my god. >> can we see your reremote? >> if you're not on set, it doesn't count. >> obviously he's being set up by 2450es two clownthese two clowns. >> there may be a job at the clinton headquarters for these clowns. >> speaking of if you want to use words to defend the patriots like more probable than not and

more there there, you might want to apply to this next story. >> okay. >> what a pro. >> all right. go ahead. >> are you dwun withone with the balls? can't get enough. there are still many unanswered questions surrounding hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server while secretary of state. yesterday at the first congressional hearing on the matter, the state department's chief freedom of information officer acknowledged it would not be acceptable for employees to keep a government e-mail on a private server. >> i think thoo theat the actions that we've taken in the course of recovering these e-mails have made it very clear what people's responsibilities are with regard to record keeping. i think the message is loud and clear that that is not acceptable. >> so it is a completely unacceptable process going forward and it should have been retrospectively?

>> going forward, yes, sir. >> joyce barr didn't acknowledge whether it was acceptable when clinton was secretary. she also reluctantly admitted she had no way of knowing how much official e-mail hillary clinton had actually turned over. >> we have them now, sir, and -- >> do you have all of them? >> we have the e-mails that she's released to us, all of the official ones. >> do you know what percentage that represents of all the e-mails she has on her server? >> no i do not. >> so you don't have anyway of verifying that you have all of the official e-mails that she processed on her personal e-mail account? >> we have been told that she has provided those to us. >> who told you that? >> the secretary. >> so you're taking her word for it? i'm sorry? >> yes, sir. >> wow. that is some uncomfortable theater right there. she was also asked whether it

was -- it made it more less secure that she did this in chappaqua instead of at the united states state department and reluctantly gave an answer there. she was not a hostile witness, but she certainly did not want to implicate the secretary. but clearly put in a terribly uncomfortable position by the former secretary's own sloppy -- >> there was not much to add to this. the testimony speaks for itself. i mean, if nooltt in the spirit of the law, letter of the law, tried to skirt the transparency element of her job. she may have by having the server in chappaqua created security risks in which to that. and this is the price she will pay for doing that. yeah, the clinton camp will say, well, everyone makes their own decisions about what is private and what's not. but if you start at the front he said with a public dragnet on your e-mail it's more likely

that you would have transparency. >> josh, for your new piece, you spoke to frank giustra and you write in part this voters will have to take it on faith these arrangements are as innocent as the participants claim. frank giustra, for one, sounds doubtful they will. if i didn't know me, and i wasn't there, he says, i would position, oh my god, there is some connection between all the good stuff happening with juice giustra and his donations. if hillary clinton is going to make to the white house, she'll need to convince voters otherwise. josh, let me push you a little bit. >> no, this guy, even giustra sounds skeptical. >> yes, but since you also vehemently want a there there, tell me what the there there is with hillary clinton. we keep getting a lot of great questions brought to the table. >> i think the there with hillary clinton is the same thing on the e-mail scandal.

it's a lack of transparency. if you look at the damage that hillary clinton has sustained from the chin"clinton cash" book, it's not really anything in the book because there is no smoking gun. but it's the lack of transparency around it. you've had news organizations from the new york times to bloomberg to the "washington post" to abc news all turning up these undisclosed foreign donors which the clinton foundation agreed with the white house in writing that they would release. and they haven't. so it feeds the impression that peter schweizer the author is trying to create that there is something shady going on behind the scenes that hillary clinton doesn't want to disclose. and that's why when you look at polls like nbc's new polls, even though clinton polls very strongly in terms of her leadership ability, a majority of americans find her not honest and trustworthy. i think that's the problem in a nut shell.

>> giustra denied any wrongdoing, but in your reporting, did you find anything else in this uranium deal and everything else? >> well, it was a little tricky. giustra essentially wanted to get off his chest what he didn't feel the media had shared in the writing about his uranium deal. he told me there was nothing untoward was going on, that yes, he and bill clinton had dined with -- >> but who around the table hasn't dined with kazakhstan's president? he's a good guy. >> we're having beginner this friday. >> the point giustra wanted to make, and i have no reason not to believe him was that he had sold out of this company two years before hillary clinton became secretary of state and we agreed during our interview that he would provide me documents so we could independently verify this. he hadn't donesn't done that yet. that was when ten days ago.

so i can't say for certain. but he says my relationship with clinton is all about charity. and he sort of describes in elaborate detail how bill clinton kind of seduced him and brought him in and got him really turned on to the idea of giving away all his money. >> it does seem having read a bunch of these stories now that the quid pro quo wasn't we'll give to the clinton foundation and secretary clinton will then pursue this policy with the obama administration. what happened it seemed was people like giustra gave to the clinton foundation and clinton opened doors to them that they didn't have opened before. he got them audiences with heads of state with important leaders around the world. and then they were able to do the business on their own. and that seems to be the predominant relationship that has been exposed by a bunch of these "clinton cash" revelations. >> i think that's right. >> and why giustra in the first place would start writing all of those massive checks to bill

clinton and his foundations, for introductions. because giustra would have not had any of those introductions if he hadn't started writing checks to clinton. >> i don't know if that's true. giustra was a billionaire mining magnet before he ever met bill clinton. the figure ien likened giustra to is ron buerkle. the thing giustra liked most about clinton was just being in his orbit, in the proximity. he was on his jet 26 times. >> how many dinners did he have with the president of kazakhstan and other countries who had massive uranium deposits in their country before he met bill clinton? >> i don't know, joe. >> i don't either. but i would bet that the answer to that is zero. and i remember reading about this deal back when it happened. looking at going, wow. >> josh, goodsdid the foundation pick up any part of the 25 reported

jet trips? >> i don't know because they had not been forthcoming with nearly as much information as they ought to. they haven't even released the name of over 1,000 donors i think now. even after having agreed to do so. so we really don't know what is going on. and it's frustrating i should point out, not just to journalists, but yesterday in africa, at a clinton foundation event, one of the big donors up on stage with bill clinton actually kind of lambasted him and said why aren't you guys at the clinton foundation doing a better job of standing up for yourself disclosing this information. and clinton himself said look i don't know i just work here. >> it's pretty amazing. and again, you talk about a path -- there a direct line between all of those white house coffees, all the questions surrounding white house coffees, the foreign donations that came in then. i remember former -- i think it was former chairman dnc said

it's like a subway, you buy your token, you put it in and you go in for a ride. only thing that has changed is it's not access to the white house. it's access to foreign leaders and you ever to pay a lot of money. >> i do want to say like there is an important line between if they're doing it as a foundation which it seems a little seedy, but it's not a public office versus if they're doing it in the white house. >> if his wife is not secretary of state and has the ability to give him even more power -- >> i disagree on that. >> -- instead of getting $90,000 before she's secretary of state 5rks $500,000 once she secretary of state? >> it's also a back doorway of getting money to the chin tons without having your name exposed. >> would the state department have approved this if the clintons had submitted the information some.

>> i don't know that they needed state department approval. it was bill clinton on the plane, it wasn't hillary clinton. giustra says he doesn't have much relationship with hillary clinton. >> there are a lot of rules applied to spouses. we have to take a break now. still ahead, it will take hard work to get baltimore back on its feet and that's exactly why labor secretary tom perez is getting involved. the obama cabinet secretary unveils his plan for new job training in the city. plus sabastian junkger joins us and piers morgan will be onset. ds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com.

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that's courage. >> that was the president just a couple weeks ago well coming the patriots to the white house to celebrate their super bowl win. joining us now on the phone, host of sirius xchlm's mad dog radio, chris russo. dog, good to hear from you. >> how are we doing? >> we're doing okay. we went through some of the particulars of the wells report. what is your big takeaway? >> the big takeaway is brady cheated. that's the big takeaway. the fact that he did an interview the today after, 12 hours after they beat the colts, was at larm that there was a deflate deflategate rumor and then at 7:26 in the morning he calls the equipment guy too get their stories straight and is on the phone with them for an hour is this what else do you need? brady wants to flow footballs underinflated and he cheated.

she he should have admitted it right away and he wouldn't be in this mess today. and if the nfl doesn't suspend him, they will look awfully stupid. le'veon bell is not playing the first game of the season because of marijuana. you mean to tell me he doesn't play and yet brady does? i would be shocked if the nfl does not give him minimum two to four games. >> back on the leash, mad dog. joe scarkarcarborough here. is it not true that we know barry bonds would never have hit over 70 home runs without being juiced? mcguire would never have broken the record without being juiced. sammy sosa would never hit 67 h.6 homers without being juiced. but you know what, the colts could have played with nerf footballs that day and they wouldn't have come within 30

points of the patriots. >> but it's not just that game. he's been using these deflated footballs forever. that's just the rule. it's the integrity of the sport. >> how do you know he's been playing -- using them forever? >> if i play with balls that went an extra 25 yards that are illegal and you didn't that's not right. if i served and i had a chance to serve with fresh tennis balls every time and you didn't that's cheating. that's not right. if it's not important, why are there rules? >> answer my question mad dog. so how do you know that he's been doing this for a long time? >> oh, come on joe. are you kidding me? >> that's your answer, oh, come on? what's the evidence? >> do you think some guy making $20,000 a year took the air out of the footballs without any direction from the quarterback? they knew what the quarterback wants. the quarterback wanted the footballs lesser than whatever

it is, 12.5 pounds so they did it for him. it's a joke and brady cheated. listen, is it hurting his career? no. does it take away from the super bowl? no. is he a hall of famer? of course. but if you're going to tell me brady using deflated footballs was fine then why have a rule then. if the rule is there that you have to use the football with that specified weight, that is the rule. and if you go ask every quarterback in the nfl, phil simms, troy aikman you ask anybody, they would say the same thing. it's wrong. brady cheats. get him out of there for a few games. >> willie, my only point is this. first of all, we don't know for sure. there is a lot of circumstantial evidence. but even if he did it in this game to say he did it in his entire career is outrageous. there are a lot of people that would do things to impress the

quarterback. >> if you say this is cheating and you also at the same time say this has probably been going on for a long time, how can this not taint his legacy? >> you could make that argument. remember did you see the 2004 game that was in this report? in 2004 against the jets in the last drive they exchanged a football and put a deflated ball in there. what happened? throws a touchdown pass five seconds to go. i mean that's ridiculous. listen, he's a hall of famer. he's won four super bowls. but if you're going to put him up there with montana, uhenitas, if you're putting him on that level, this is now by his name. if you live in boston you don't want to hear it because he's your guy. nobody will say anything negative if you're a boston fan.

but if you're out of that little cocoon and you look at this across the country, that star quarterback of the new england patriots has cheated with deflated footballs for a long time. >> thank you for making yourself clear. >> where is his wife? his wife had something to say when wes welker dropped the touchdown pass as she did a million times. >> dog, you are now attacking his wife. mad dorgg russo ladies and gentlemen, that's all you need to know about this man's character. coming up next tom perez just back from baltimore. and thank god we're going to have a serious important conversation next on "morning joe". and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things. the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. our world-class service earned usaa the top spot in

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issues and problems. the state has a role in assisting baltimore city's government efforts to find common sense, creative and new solutions to these urban challenges. but we have to be honest with ourselves. these problems have taken many decades to grow and they will likely take decades to repair. >> maryland governor larry hoe sgan on hogan on the new sense of you are sxwensurgency to rebuild baltimore. stephanie rawlings-blake called on the justice department to investigate the city's police force. what you about the underlying economic issues? joining us from capitol hill tom perez. you spent yesterday in baltimore meeting with students and residents. this is long standing. what is new in terms of what you found yesterday or what can be done in light of the unrest in baltimore? >> i think the challenges this

baltimore unmuch deeper than simply the challenges involving policing. there are persistent opportunity gaps. i think government is at its best when it's a good listener. government is at its best when we take federal resources but then leverage them with philanthropy, with business resources and then go into communities and find solutions that work for baltimore. and what i learned yesterday is that children young people there, they want a good job. they want access to opportunity. i met a young woman who she is late for school a lot in the morning because there is a shooting in her neighborhood so she doesn't sleep well. met another student who he wants more challenge in his school. other people who smpgly want lysimply want the skills to compete for today's jobs. i have a lot of optimism. i worked in baltimore for ten years. i know the communities there. we need a new normal in

baltimore. persistent opportunity gaps we need to address. >> again, we have to bottom out to get action? what's the action? >> well, there are a number of things that i think need to be done. first of all, the overincarceration that you've talked about on this show so compellingly, you see it in baltimore city. in 1950 two out of three young black men were in the workforce. today it's one out of three black men are in the workforce. the incarceration challenges there are so many people who lack a roll model and a bread earner in their family. and so we spend a lot of time talking about how do we help people who are coming out of prisons to get those skills and jobs to compete. we spoke a lot about how do we address the need for access to education. both in the middle schools and

high schools. and there are a lot of jobs out there today and how do we connect people in all of baltimore to the fact that a there are great jobs in health care fwlatgreat access to apprenticeship. what we have to do is take the things that work and scale them. and then listen better to our young people and add new plays to the playbook. >> mr. secretary, great jobs this health care great jobs in pharmaceuticals, you can go down a laundry list. but in state after state, i think maryland included, when out side companies come into build factory, given tax breaks to build them and they rarely build them in an innercity area like baltimore. is there anything that can be done, and i realize that you're on the national level, but to encourage state levels to build places factories, whatever where jobs are available in a specific neighborhood because it makes no sense to have a job in

suitland maryland if you can't get to the job. >> sure. the short answer is yes. the promise zone initiative that the president announced a few years ago, and we continue to add promise zone cities is an example of providing incentives to come into cities and build there. but we also have to make sure that our transit systems are such that people can get to the jobs that are out there. but we also have to understand that there are 5 million jobs available in the united states right now as we speak. including half a million in i.t.. and i was in philadelphia with mayor nutter recently they have a remarkable apprenticeship program connecting young high school kids mostly kids of color, to these i.t. jobs because i know as the parent of teenagers, kids know gadgets. and these companies are taking that familiarity with gadgets and they're turning them into good middle class jobs. so there are jobs out there, but

these persistent opportunity gaps. young black men living, roughly 4% or 5% in that community over 25 who have at least some form of college. and so we need to upscale every neighborhood. zip code should never determine destiny. and the persistent poverty in this community is something that we need to address. and that's exactly what we're trying to do. >> secretary tom perez, thank you very much for being on the show. coming up the "washington post" oigdavid ignatius will reveal his brand new project and the 4r5i9est latest polling in the race for the republican nomination. chuck todd will be here onset. (music)

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>> a roof just blueew through the air. >> i've always played within the rules. >> tom brady addressed the public and denied any involvement in deflategate. >> it took over 100 days to complete the 242 report. >> and it finds it probable that quarterback tom brady was aware. >> if you want to use words to defend the patriots like more probable than not and no there there, you might want to apply to this next story. >> state department official saying hillary clinton's use of using a private e-mail server was not acceptable. >> but bill clinton still fiercely defending his wife over foreign donations to the clinton foundation. >> even the guy that wrote the book apparently had to admit under questioning that he didn't have a shred of evidence for

this. just would throw it out there and see if it would fly. >> sometimes you have to just tell him to zip it. >> hawking about hillary to bill? >> well, no, no. >> can you have a sister soulja moment with a person you're married to? >> yes, that will be an important part of her candidacy. i love you, but back off. and i will tell you, chuck todd when he got out there and cynthia mcfadden going all over the place, you know everybody loves to say he's the best that's ever been as far as politicking and everything. he's lost a few steps. and he walked into a couple of traps that he shouldn't have walked this to walked into. >> you get the sense nobody prepped him about oh, you don't need to prep a former president. he doesn't need prepping. he knows how to answer all these questions. he's the greatest living politician going he can handle

this. that struck me as shall be not prepared. what are you going to say when you're asked about paid speeches? i bet that you back and forth never happened. >> you can companykcan go back to 2008 and how we talked about how undisciplined he was, apologizing that he couldn't make his wife taller or better looking. and then the nightmare that was south carolina with an up disciplined line here or undisciplined line there. hillary was cleaning up after him the entire campaign.undisciplined line there. hillary was cleaning up after him the entire campaign. >> he's still better than most but he has become whether intentional or not the spokesperson from the campaign. we don't hear from hillary clinton, so we hear there bill. >> they're keeping a count on this, and she hasn't even answered most of the seven questions.

>> that's the most amazing thing here. the first clinton to do an extended interview after hillary clinton announced, bill. >> which reinforces her problem with the toughest issue she has which i think is the money that streamed into clinton foundation even as she was secretary of state. >> and then we go to this because there are those so many unanswered questions surrounding hillary clinton there's use of private e-mails. >> that may not be able to be answered and that's why she's not taking the questions. >> yeah. this was the e-mails that she used whooil secretary of state. and yesterday at the first congressional hearing on the matter, the state department's chief freedom of information officer acknowledged it would not be acceptable for employees to keep a government e-mail on a private server. >> i think that the actions that we've taken in the course of recovering these e-mails have

made it very clear w45hat people's responsibilities are with regard to record keeping. i think the message is loud and clear that that is not acceptable. >> so it is a completely unacceptable process going forward and it should have been retrospectively? >> going forward, yes, sir. >> joyce barr also reluctantly admitted she had no way of knowing how much official e-mail hillary clinton had actually turned over. >> with have them now, sir. >> do you have all of them? >> we have the e-mails that she's released to us all the official ones. >> do you know what percentage that represents of all the e-mails she has on her server? >> no i do not. >> so you don't have anyway of verifying that you have all of the official e-mails that she processed on her personal e-mail account? >> we have been told that she has provided those to us. >> who told youuyou that? >> the secretary.

>> so you're taking her word for it? i'm sorry? >> yes, sir. >> very uncomfortable position. >> that's a painful way to start a presidential campaign, to be dealing with issues like that. i don't see that there is any way she can escape it. the more those e-mails that are disclosed, i think the more issues are raised. i have friends who work in the say the department who are now describing getting e-mails from that private server from other, not hillary clinton, but other people in her inner circle that were also using it. that is another chapter that is coming. stay tuned to the "washington post," we'll give you those names as soon as we have them. >> look at that. holding it off. >> david, doesn't this get back to the bigger problem being that she now has not only the server question that she does not want to be asked on the campaign trail, because that will become

the entire story but now we have all the foreign donations and we're just at the tip of the iceberg for that. when you have 150 million in personal money going there and more than that to these foundations and the complex web of relationships between, you know so many countries and her service -- >> should it be nippled at by guppies or pa periranhas? she had a strong record as secretary of state and we'll get into a phase of the campaign where we see -- >> if they're guppy, don't you turn around and take care of them, don't you answer those questions if they're guppies? >> she'll neveren able to enbe able to answer the questions. that's the problem. she can never be transparent because she scrubbed the server. and i think that's a problem. i feel badly for her that she scrubbed the server if she did

nothing wrong. >> it just shouldn't have been allowed. when she first came in she tried to set up rules for transparencies and limits on contributions, but she knew even as she became secretary that this was a problem area and i think that's why she can't get out of it. >> this is something you wanted for talk about, only seven questions from the media responded to. and some of those not even answered. is it because -- if you can't answer those questions now it's not like it will be any easier in a month or two or three when even more information cans out. how does she start the her campaign in earnest? >> well, look, the one thing i was impressed with this week she did eat up a news cycle with immigration. and it was a jarring -- it was a surprising rollout of her immigration policy sort of the first time that she had rolled out any policy. so i think that was their one hope that they could at least step on, hoping to slow town the

bill clinton story. i always wonder did they mean to roll out any policy before she actually formally announced? i bet you they didn't and then it was suddenly let's eat up a news cycle and slow bill down. they firmly believer when she's of itting in front of house republicans, that it doesn't have a large impact. it becomes more guppyies than 3ir piranhas. as long as her chief anning it niss are republicans, that's how they persevere. bill clinton never -- bill had a lower honest and trustworthy number than george h.w. bush going into election day and he had a lower honest and transparency i believe than bob dole. some of this is built in. >> house republicans, willie are good props for her to play off of even though she did not do well last time in front of the senate when she said why does it matter. her problem is the this morning

time this morning time, "washington post," who her people have already called right wing hacks.morningthis morning time, "washington post," who her people have already called right wing hacks. >> let's ask a bigger question. everybody everybody agrees these are important stories. but when you step back, you look at that this morning "new york times" poll and saw her approval rating went up, do you think they're sitting from and staying if we stay back, play the victim, we know we have the democratic nomination locked up they can't touch us until the general election can they just keep their heads down and continue not to answer questions? >> i think they think they will do the bare minimum. and you haven't seen -- even in our polling, we have her taking a larger hit with the general public on some of these questions than the "times" poll did. but we also have her very strong among democrats. this has not -- she is stronger

with democrats today than she was eight years ago and you can't underestimate that. that is important and she has that going for her. but going back to bill clinton, we all know how this is going to end. at some point he'll announce that he's taking a leave from the foundation. if you know you're going to do it in six months nine months 12 month don't do it after the "new york times" editorial page has been telling you you to do it for six months and then it looks like you've been dragged into doing it. have some control over it. hand it over. the old cabinet, whatever. you need it's inevitable he has to step down from it, so do it sooner rather than later. >> so david ignatius, chuck, i'll ask you both are these questions about the e-mail server legitimate questions where it comes from the "washington post" or the far right? yes, right? so then on yndbeyond that, can she ever be fully transparent and clear this up and put it behind her? >> i think she will say looking back she made a mistake, she'll explain why she did it and she'll say it was a mistake and

she'll say i'm going to recover as much as i can -- >> but will she ever be transparent about. >> i think the clintons have been in difficult to believe mode for a long time. that's part of her baggage anyway. and this reinforces it because it's a particularly sharp example. but if she wins it will be because she's seen as a good strong manage who are can get the country during a difficult people and people will overlook lots of these questions. and i think the issue for me is whether she's able to establish that part of her candidacy. >> and i think, chuck, the question for a lot of people, daniel heminger said you can't get away with this again. he talked about how google didn't start until '98, twitter until 2006, and it will be tougher. and i'm just curious what you think. like for instance the rose law firm records which disappeared

right as she went into the white house. >> and then they showed up one day. >> magically one day i guess three years later they showed up this the white house. and it still stuns me. they had three years where they could have done whatever they wanted to do with those records that were under subpoena. that somehow flew in '92, '93, '94, '95. does that fly, does the clinton playbook work as well in 2016? >> no, at some point they have to acknowledge the new rules. to david's point, she has to establish herself and to answer mika look i don't think there will also an chunk of people that don't believe clintons will ever be transparent because of track record and this or that. but the clintons perspective is they have always believed you've heard bill clinton say they're always held to a different standard than everybody else. they believe this in their core.

whether the facts bear out or not. so when your principals believe in it didn't matter the advice you're getting. it's the two of them that believe this. they believe that they have been just picked on and picked on and made lined for years and that this is nothing more than that. and there is nothing they can do to prove otherwise.lined for years and that this is nothing more than that. and there is nothing they can do to prove otherwise. >> so as the number of republican declared candidates doubled, a new poll has an up announced candidate ahead of the pakt. scott walker continues to hold a large lead. senators rand paul marco rubio and ted cruz in a close fight for second place along with mike huckabee who was it iowa yesterday striking a more populous tone with kasie hunt. >> when there is cronies involved and getting a special deal, and when other countries are cheating and americans lose jobs, i'd like to think the u.s. government would stand up for the u.s. workers rather than let

them take it in the back side and somehow just have to tough it out that somebody got wealthy at their expense. that's not free trade. >> and we didn't mention jeb bush, how is he doing if iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers. iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers.b iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers.n iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers. iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers.n iowa? >> that was stunning that 5%. it's quinnipiac used likely caucusgoers. a little early for it that. but it's a reminder, and the "new york times" story out where mike murphy is playing the role of kevin bacon in animal house remain call all is well, as kevin way bacon gets trampled on at the end. but they're trying to preach long game, long game long game. and they know they have donors who are doing- -- what's going on here guys? you were supposed to be chasing people out. and instead marco rubio decided you're so formidable i'm going to get in. and this is -- you know -- >> getting interesting. >> let's see what happens when

he announces the number. when he puts out -- they could win this is in -- >> fund raising. >> fundraising number. they could take done candidates one at a time. but it will be winning ugly. however jeb pull this is off. >> scott walker 21%. the guy not even declared. >> if you watch closely, he's participating in the race. hillary clinton comes out where an immigration policy scott walker attacks it. so he's not in but feels like he has one foot in. >> absolutely. >> i think they're just doing the -- he can raise super pac money right now. let's remember why some of these guys aren't in. >> chris christie returns to new hampshire today before holding another town hall meeting tomorrow. but a new poll says he has a long way to climb up from tenth place. jeb bush is currently leading there. and nbc news confirmed rick

santorum will announce his bid on may 27 in the pittsburgh area. >> chuck what do you see in that bomb the new hampshire poll. >> well, if you're bringing up christie there that's tough to be behind trump and carson, those guys fiorina, rick perry. you're chris christie and you're at 3%. that's the the one state that is supposed to be embracing you, the one state you're supposed to play. good news for jeb, though. >> two florida guys at the top. and marco rubio has surprised a lot of people. >> he is a smart guy. i've talked to him often about foreign policy issues about i've been impressed for the last year at how well he thinks on his feet. he has the problem that americans have looked at an inexperienced senator coming into the white house with obama and i think that's going to be an issue that rubio will have to deal with but the way he's gotten acceleration and liftoff

early in the campaign -- >> it's funny, there are some people believe there are basically four people could be the president. scott walker jeb bush marco rubio and hillary clinton. three of those people all fear the same candidate, marco rubio. walker's people are worried about rubio. jeb of course is worried about rubio the most. and hillary clinton. of the three potential republican rubio presents the toughest. >> now, in politics that's good news if everybody respects you, but or really bad news if you find yourself in the center and everybody turns and starts firing at you at the same time. >> don't forget we'll have game of thrones type of action here. if jeb is not playing in iowa, do you think he hands everything over to scott walker? you could see some interesting little -- >> where does the jeb money go if he begins to falter? i've thought that probably goes to rubio, but what do you think?

>> it depends when if he did falter. i think kasich -- if it's early, if for some reason this is the fall and he's faltering, and why believe it would be then i think that's where there would be a quick opening for john kasich. >> there is somebody else with a lot of florida money that would immediately go over to marco. >> marco rubio tells the american dream story better than any candidate in this field and i always think politics ala ronald reagan, and it's powerful. >> you're right whoever has that story. >> chuck todd thank you very much. i'm so proud of you all. >> let me hold this up. i think the "daily news" wins. a rare victory for the "daily news". great balls of layeriar is a much more kefr. before new york "post" -- >> "daily news" has been given a run for their money. >> i say four games.

>> do you think they will suspend him is this. >> they did something wrong. unbelievable. you're so hard on hillary clinton and then on deflated ball you're squishy. >> coming up we'll talk to david ignatius who is clearly maestro of the opinion pages. david will explain how his collaboration of one of the mostal lebltsed composers came for example later this hour. we'll also be asking him about how israel's prime minister put together his new government. first bill karins has a look at the severe weather sweeping across the country. >> unfortunately, we went through a scary night yesterday and we'll goto a couple more with it all peaking on saturday. pictures yesterday out of oklahoma city, a two hour period, kids were kept in school roads were jammed a huge tornado heading for oklahoma city. it got rain wrapped and lifted,

but not before damaging a lot of homes. flooding was horrendous. so let's me take you into the risk area today. we had about 50 reports of tornadoes yesterday. today we'll be watching the same areas. texas electionlocation southern kansas western kansas, a few tornados possible most likely in texas. hopefully we can leave oklahoma city out of this. and then friday enhanced risk, always worse category, possibility of tornados once again san angelo authority ward wichita falls, possibly including oklahoma city this time. and then into saturdayward, wichita falls, possibly including oklahoma city this time. and then into saturday in the middle of the country, we could be looking at our worst severe outbreak of the year long track strong tornadoes will be possible as we go throughout that day. so of course that will be something we'll be watching here closely. we wish everyone in the midwest the best as you go through this week. ed performance. who offers the most horsepower? lincoln mkc.

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surrounding the new england patriots. the heat is on for tom brady for knowing of the deflated footballs. joining us now, peter alexander and peter king whose latest story says the nfl has a big decision to make when it comes to tom brady. gentlemen, good morning. peter king let me start with you. >> 243 pages. >> this thing fell like a brick this new england. >> this should tell you everything you need to know about men. this report, this all these pages, about deflated balls. seriously. that's all i have for say. take it away, gentlemen. >> you've read through the report, you've talked to all the principles. what's the bottom line here? >> there are 23 examples of equivocation in that report. so i don't know if we know for sure what he did. that's the thing that was so troubling. when i finished reading that

what i said to myself ob did he do it or not? and it seems like he was involved in this and involved pretty seriously. but, you know this is something that in my opinion is going to -- you will read about this in the second paragraph of tom brady's owe bitbituary in the new york times in 70 years. the nfl had better be right on this. because otherwise you're impugning the character of the guy for the rest of his life. >> but you've read through all of that can't say whether he did it or not. >> i can't say it. joe, if you read that thing, there is a lot of smoke there. there is no question there is a lot of smoke there, but you can't say i know that tom braid didity did it. you just can't. >> we have a young man being set up here willie. >> again, the standard should be higher than smoke, more smoke than fire. but do you believe that a two

locker room attendants would unilaterally deflate footballs without tom brady knowing about it? >> probably not. should that be enough to suspend a guy for two, four six game, fine him a ga jillian dollars? after i read the report there is still significant doubt in my mind that he did this. >> the manual says punishment for psi fine is roughly $25,000. the most the league can fine something like $500,000 is the most. so this is a team worth roughly $1.5 billion, whatever it is, none of that will matter. a suspension will be a very different statement. peter and i were in that news conferences when tom brady spoke right in the heart of this thing and the question i asked him was is tom brady a cheater? and as we were talking about, his answer to that question which he he said of the day is the one we're all asking ourselves, was sort of odd. he said i don't think so.he said of the day is the one we're all asking ourselves, was sort of odd. he said i don't think so.

if you're being accused you have one chance to say, heck no,. he's proved himself on the field pretty clearly, but i think there will be a lot of people and certainly these are like the new york yankees of football. so people will pick their side no matter what we say. >> if he did cheat, i mean it had no impact on the colts game. >> no, because they beat them 900 to nothing in the second half with fully inflated footballs. >> to make a political comparison, this is like nixon in '72. >> if you're going to win 49 states to one, why do it. >> if you're going to kill the koults s colts any way, why deflate the balls. >> i think the biggest issue that is not the really addressed in the report, joe, is has will been going on for a long time and if so how long and was there any attempt to try to make a determination of whether this

is a serial practice with the patriots. >> more probable than not that he was generally aware. i think a lot of people will say more probable than not that he's still one of the greatest quarterbacks that we've ever witnessed, certainly one of the greatest of this generation. but that probability in there, that gray space is what makes it so interesting. >> a lot of people reading it saying if it happened in one game, it surely must have happened in many more. and shallome major publications are saying this taints his legacy. is there is footnote to his career now? >> depending on what the league decides. there is tremendous power in roger goodleellgoodell's hands. if he says -- inf he suspends tom brady, he's basically saying i believe tom brady cheated. and if the commissioner says one of the greatest cheated, yeah it will have a huge impact.

>> the relationship between goodell and robert kraft is so close. >> it's so close, but i'm not sure how close it will be after this one, peter. because robert kraft is undeniably, and you can see would i his statement yesterday, you could see by him at the super bowl, that he really is angry about this. so what's it going to do to his relationship with goodell? we'll see. >> pete, you can have this back. >> do you have anymore jokes? >> anymore jokes? think about it, they keep coming. we can't stop saying things that are like ridiculous metaphors. at some point i think the nfl will have to deal with bigger issues. >> 243 pages on this on deflategate, 96 on the ray rice investigation. >> thank you very much. peter alexander, peter king thank you. coming up he's brought us incredible scenes from the front lines in afghanistan but it turns out that that was only half the battle.

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is an investigation in to the root causes of post traumatic stress dws orderisorder in so many of our troops and why the problem is closer to home than we think. >> a lot of unpack to go do. you talk about only 10% of our armed forces actually see combat yet roughly a third of vets have been diagnosed with ptsd. and because of that many claims that they have been affected by other than combat. >> numerically that has to be the case. i studied anthropology in college and i had this this idea i bet the apache sioux, after their battles didn't have ptsd, they didn't come back to camp alienate and suffering. so why is it modern society has such incredibly high levels of this is this we're at the highest levels in our history. >> and hiregher than vietnam. >> that's right.this we're at the

highest levels in our history. >> and higher than vietnam. >> that's right. vie either the trend has continued. so what i realized talking to anthropologists who worked in societies all over the world is that the more cohesive a society, the better people can recover from trauma. and that's true for everybody. so as wealth goes up and affluence goes up all mental health issues go up. suicide, depression, anxiety. >> wow. >> so we have a 20% rate here in the u.s. for returning vets. israel only 1%. >> that's right. and the reason i think, and i talked to people who have studied this in israel, first of all, there is national service, so everyone has been in the military. people in israel don't say thank you for your service because everyone serves. i mean, animalalogous to the apache. the they're fighting on their

door step. apparently the further away you're fighting, the less intuitive sense it makes to the civilian population. >> so it comes down to the fact that you serve four five multiple tours in afghanistan or iraq you return to the united states where less than 1% of the population also serves in the same venture that you've been occupied with for most of your adult life. >> yeah. the thing about that 1% -- >> you're isolated from the rest of society. >> you have a very cohesive intense human experience in combat. you're in a platoon of 30 men 30 soldiers sleeping together doing everything together completely inter-reliant. that's how we evolve to live as a species. and then cow back to modern society and as affluence goes up individualization goes up people need more and more individual lives as they become more affluent. so you come back to the

alienation of the american suburb. it's terrible for vets. the transition for them even if they weren't traumatized by combat, which trauma is something we're designed to get over. we're primates life has been hard in you're hisour history, but what we're not designed to do is live in tremendous isolation. and the wealthier society you come back to, the more isolated your life is likely to be and that's where it's hard to recover from trauma even with rats that they traumatize if they return them to a cage with other rats they recover from their trauma in 48 hours. if they keep them in isolation, they never recover. >> this is fascinating. so have we then misdiagnosed in many cases ptsd and called it something that it's not, which is social isolation? >> i think it's hard to conclude otherwise. 10% of the military experiences actual combat there is another 20%, 30% in there of people who come home who feel alienated who

actually were never shot at. so what is going on? and if you look at that kind of isolation, it affects all mental health issues. suicide, depression, in-so many 123450e a insomnia, a all those are sky high. >> so how do we cope with this then if it's not exactly with a we've thought it was for all these years? what are some new solutions to the problems? >> there is a conflation of things. when people feel alienated, it's wrong to call it ptsd. they weren't traumatized. what they're doing is having a transition problem. they need another term. because the treatment for that isn't trauma treatment, it's some kind of community experience. >> transitional support. >> and you have to understand this is affecting everybody in this country.

right? so the vets are particularly vulnerable because they're coming home. we've adapted to this but we're all suffering from this alienation. and you see it in -- apache weren't committing suicide. they weren't depressed. they had their troubles but mental illness was not one of those problems. >> i remember tom wolfe, this is back in the '90s, and it's a number that stuck -- a quote that stuck with me, i think it was the 30th anniversary of the "rolling stone" issue and he said what a great irony that the most affluent generation in the history of mankind is now the most medicated. >> absolutely. >> and you fast forward that another decade more affluence, more money, more medication, more alienation, more people staring into screens, more people staring in toichltto ipads and their smartphones. >> alone. that's the key thing. >> being alone is against our very nature. >> that's right.

and it's terrible for vulnerable population like veterans returns from a deployment even if they didn't see combat. they still had this tremendous closeness in their platoon. and all of a sudden they're in their cul de sac in their air conditioned bedroom sleeping by themselves and it's absolutely killing people. >> sebastian, thank you. still ahead, israeli prime minister thet oignetanyahu finally has his new development. why it may already be at odds with the u.s.. e matters. i want some gray...but not too much. only touch of gray uses oxygen to gently blend away some gray but not all for that perfect salt and pepper look. satisfaction guaranteed. just you and the look you want. just for men touch of gray it took tennis legend serena williams, fencing champion tim morehouse

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new government with the slimmest possible majority. the coalition has 61 out of 120 seats in partliment thanks to a deal between netanyahu and the jewish home party. but many members of the hughnew government oppose peace talks and support more settlement construction in the west bank. that could put israel at odds with the u.s. and other allies. opposition leader herzog says the new government is an embarrassing as far as. >> david ignatius what is your reaction? >> i just got back last night from spending a few days in israel and my reaction is that benjamin netanyahu did just barely manage to put this government together, he's such a powerful political figure in the united states that we forget that back home, he's actually a lot weak. this go. is un government is unlikely to last very long with a majority that thin and coalition partners who will make more demands. there is a lot of betting in israel that it won't last.

>> is he doing this for a political reason knowing it one last? >> a one word answer. survival. if he could not come up with a government no matter how small it's in the majority, by the end of this period he have out. they would have turned to isaac herzog. >> conventional wisdom is that he will ramp up some activity in order to lay indicate members of the coalition. is that the sense that you got on the ground? >> i think he'll have to give bennett, his key coalition ally something. that was talk about giving him power in the government, bennett will be a member of the security cabinet which matters to him. i think there will be some more settlement activity that if it's true that this is a short term fix, he has to leave the way open for the possibility that he'll reach out for a national unity coalition which would include per sogherzog.

so he has to be careful because he may six months there now for survival reasons have to go the other direction. >> let's go back to another big issue facing our veterans. and this involves a bipartisan group of senators now working togethered a vow ed a voeadvocating for a wideview of the v.a. for its mismanagement of the claims backlog. dean heller and bob casey are with us. >> senator heller, we've been talking about the mismanagement at the v.a. for quite some time. how do we fix it? >> well, the good news is that therea bipartisan coalition going on here that has been work together for the last couple of years. bob and i saw this problem and said we ought to do something about it. the good news is this last two year we've cut the backlog in half. and the issue is this. if you're a soldier today or a service member male or female,

and you come back from the middle east and perhaps you're missing a limb or two or we have psychological problems should you have to wait two or three years in order to get the benefits that you've earned. and both of us have said this is outrageous. so two years ago we formed this working group and bob and i have had some great success so far. v.a. is working harder. we've cut the backlog in half. but we have to do that again. it's still not anywhere near what the benefits and what these soldiers deserve. >> mike barbniclebarnicle. >> senator casey, he talked about the work that you've done. dan dana priest's piece in the "washington post," anybody serving in the military coming back they're probably listening and saying what takes so long in the united states senate to take care of me? >> well, mike that's one of the fundamental questions that i think veterans should ask, but also the overarching question both for the congress and for

this administration or any administration is what are they going to do that is worthy of the sacrifice of that veteran or his or her family. there have been multiple attempts over the last 25 years, this claims backlog problem didn't start five years ago or three years ago, it's more than 20 years. we've made some progress but we have to demand that the v.a. measure up just as any organization that serves people must do. one of the things that is most important about the bill that we have and it's been great to work with dean heller not just on a bipartisan basis, but in a very substantive way to focus on a bill which we now have bipartisan support for to audit the v.a. to take a close look at how they deal with these claims to fix it and then to do a whole range of things that we've set forth in the bill to make sure that we're reducing substantially the backlog. some progress made as dean said but we still have a ways to go.

>> sam stein here. technology was supposed to be the great elixir. digitize the record, make things more streamlined. where do we stand on that type of progress digitizing the v.a. records and is that continuing for be a to be a big hurdle? >> it has been. one of the biggest problems that we have is the fact that the department of defense and the v.a. two separate agencies, don't talk. they don't have software that measures the information of these veterans coming out and how they will get their benefits. so that's one of the reasons. >> unbelievable. >> one of the reasons why we're doing this. >> unbelievable. senators heller and casey, thank you so much. why has the v.a. been so screwed up for so long shall. >> it's a bureaucracy empefsh yus to management. i sometimes wonder if moving our service to veterans more into

the hain stream health care system doesn't make sense. because off to the side, over and over year after year it sdwnt work. >> i always have people ask me what is the worst department, bureaucracy to work wrks and they all expected irs. irs is pretty easy. you tell them what the problem is, they investigation great it, they give you an answer in a day or two. v.a. is the worst and there is not a close second. >> and once they get into the system, they love the care. it's just getting into the system. up next from jfk to anwar sadat, we'll meet the composer who weaves politics into symphonies. my school reunion. i don't know. who wants to play in idaho? gotta get milwaukee up to speed. we win in flint, we take the lead. we'll close the deal if we just show...

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brand new opera called "the new prince." welcome and good to have you both to talk about this. so i guess first of all let's start with the collaboration. what is "the new prince"? when does it start? >> one day last summer i got a call out of the blue from mohammed asking if i'd be interested in writing the libretto for an opera about machiavelli, the famous italian political philosopher and i was absolutely fascinated by it. mohammed's reputation is that he's a composer who writes about politics with music and so since i try to write about politics with words, i got fascinated by this. it will debut in march, 2017 in amsterdam. "morning joe" viewers should book flights early. >> oh, yes, i'm going. >> and why machiavelli? why this topic for you? >> and why david? [ laughter ] >> well, i think those are the

two most remarkably obvious questions. when i was approached by the dutch national opera to compose an opera and i thought about the subject of machiavelli i thought i can't do this because someone must have already done this. someone just must have already done an opera on machiavelli. and i couldn't find one. and when i couldn't find one i thought maybe i'm the first to do this so i got really excited and i called david. and i thought if he wants to do this i'll do it. this is a david ignatius opera. if he says no i might not write this opera. he said yes and more than a year later now i think david has created a masterpiece. >> people usually associate operas with with love and loss and heartache and all these different sort of emotions but not politics. but one of the most popular musicals right now on broadway is about alexander hamilton.

why is politics suddenly becoming this great artistic venture. >> well, i don't think it's sudden. i actually think that -- you know, when someone asks what do you do? i'm a composer. when someone asks what does david do david's a writer. you can be a political writer, you can bh ae a journalist, a novelist, a poet. as a poet i'm a political writer, i just do it in music. and that's had a long history in opera being very socially conscious art form. but also all of those passions of love and loss and everything all the -- the entire human experience is mirrored in our politics. it's mirrored in -- >> i think if you see "the new prince," sam, come to amsterdam, joe and mika. i think you'll see yes it's about politics and this famous

philosopher but it's about the big things in life. machiavelli was a tragic failure in his life and the reasons why and the way in which he was redeemed at the end of his life as we tell in the opera i think you'll joy. >> mohammed's cd "follow, poet" and his new opera with david, "the new prince" will premier in 2017. we're booking our flights. >> we will be there. >> mohammed fairouz, thank you, david ignatius thank you as well. coming up mining magnate frank giustra speaks out on his relationship with bill clinton as donations to the clinton foundation come under scrutiny. and the heats debate over the nfl's deflategate report and what tom brady did or did not know about all of that. we'll be right back. is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on person j on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs.

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welcome back to "morning joe," it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. we have on set mike barnicle, sam stein and in washington joshua green. to our top story now, the long-awaited league report has been released on whether the new england patriots cheated against the indianapolis colts in the afc title game by deflating the balls, making them easier to handle. it is painting the super bowl champion patriots and star quarterback tom brady in a very harsh light. nbc's ron mott has the details in foxborough massachusetts. >> reporter: tom brady addressed the public in january and denied any involvement in what's become known as deflategate, intentionally removing air from footballs to make them easier to throw and catch. >> i've always played within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. i believe in fair play and i respect the league. >> reporter: but an nfl

investigation led by ted wells found it is more probable than not that the three-time super bowl mvp quarterback was at least generally a lily aware of the inappropriate activities. the report says patriots personnel were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules. that jim mcnally, a locker room attendant and john jastremski an assistant participated to deflate game balls after the referees inspected them. >> there's circumstantial evidence but it lacks the smoking gun. >> reporter: the controversy stemmed from the afc championship game in which the patriots soundly defeated the indianapolis colts 45-7 to advance to the super bowl. officials discovered 11 of 12 game balls used by brady and the patriots' offense, different balls used by the opponent were underinflated. the investigation show the two men disparaged brady in text messages after he complained about football air pressure. mcnally writing "i'm going to make that next ball a

[ bleep ]ing balloon." "16 is nothing, wait until sunday." roger goodell said the league will consider taking disciplinary action saying in a statement "we will continue our efforts vigorously to protect the integrity of the game and promote fair play at all times." reaction by fans outside the team's stadium were mixed? >> it's a shame but, you know i'll still be a patriots fan when it's all said and done. >> he's carried himself over these last 14 15 years as a pro, acted as a pro, is just as much a pro off the field as on the field and i suggest that what we're talking about is much ado about nothing. >> reporter: at the super bowl patriots owner bob kraft demanded an apology from the nfl if the investigation turned up no proof of wrongdoing. >> i would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team and in particular coach belichick and tom brady for what they have had to endure this past week. >> wow. >> i mean --

>> you know what? >> no i'm just saying i'm not talking that way if somebody has me -- >> oh! god. >> where they want me. >> where's it going to end today? willie? >> they're liars and that's what's disappointing. i like the patriots i cheer for the patriots after about ten other teams get out. [ laughter ] after the falcons and after the jets. but they're lying. and it's a shame, they're a great organization but why lie? >> we have a range of opinion here from sam stein who thinks brady should be sent to guantanamo and josh green who thinks they should build a bigger statue of tom brady. >> like the one i have in my front yard. >> exactly. >> but a couple important things to point out. the record says bob kraft the ownership, bill belichick the coaching staff and even the equipment manager knew nothing about this. >> oh really? >> so they narrowed it down to tom brady and these two locker room attendants.

>> oh come on! >> so it's a pretty circumstantial case. they have these text messages. they go on to say in the report "there isless direct evidence related brady to tampering than mcnally or jastremski." >> wait a second is he a liar or not? the news reports don't say. >> it's more probable than not. >> more probable than not that he's a dirty liar? >> that's the report. >> i don't know if that's a strong enough stand. >> more probable than not is as far as they would go. >> more probable than snotnot? it's not like he has a needle sticking out of his ass in the steroids -- >> joe. >> it's not like he's canseco or maguire or a-rod. >> he lied. >> what are you a giants fan all of a sudden? >> i am. >> that explains it. >> he is a giants fan. >> so am i, by the way. which is weird because he lives in d.c. >> they also only isolated it to the afc championship game. they couldn't figure out when it

started, if it started before then. >> so brady's been set up is what you all think? >> no the whole thing was produced by a history of belief that the patriots -- the colts made the objection to the footballs the day before the afc championship game because they had experienced these deflated balls in prior matchups with the patriots so they made this inquiry to the refs and said watch out for this. then they intercepted the pass and lo and behold it was there. now as to brady -- >> josh i would love for you to -- >> josh a man who -- josh a quick question. brady, who is in his own -- he admits this himself is particular incredibly particular about the balls, he wants to make sure that the inflation -- >> every quarterback, sam, is particular about the balls. >> what's the question? >> so why would two locker room attendants unilaterally deflate all the balls without actually talking to the man who has to play with them the day before the biggest game of the season? it defies logic. >> do you hear yourselves? >> it does not defy logic. the answer is right there.

let's be clear about one thing: more probable than not. you couldn't get a conviction on a jaywalking ticket. >> exactly. of course. but we're not arguing that. >> but to answer sam's question brady obviously likes his balls deflated -- >> oh god. >> at the lower end of the legal limit. look at the text messages you guys just excerpted. they were talking about blowing up the ball like a balloon. they're talking about inflating balls not taking air out of them. obviously if a ball is inflated to 16 pounds -- >> i have one more question. >> -- per square inch he wants them at 12. >> real news guys. >> ask a quick question. >> can you imagine the furor if this were russell wilson and the seahawks? >> listen if this was -- >> this is a nothing burger of a story. >> if a baseball team played in the world series and 10 out of the 11 bats they used were corked it would be like this is a huge scandal, right? why is this any different? >> of course brady was -- >> let's just have it -- let's

rule this by democracy. how many people believe brady is lying. one, two. how many people believe brady's being set up? >> i'm about to get you so mad. >> can we see our remote here. >> if you're not on set it doesn't count. >> josh you think he's set up? >> obviously he's being set up by these two clowns. [ laughter ] >> by the way, there may be a job at the clinton headquarters for you. attacking the poor victims. >> speaking of. if you want to use words to defend the patriots like "more probable than not" and "no there, there." you might want to apply it to this next story. >> what a segue. that's a good segue. >> she's been in tv for a long time. >> what a pro. >> are you guys done with the balls? you can't get enough. all right. there are still many unanswered questions surrounding hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server while secretary of state. yesterday at the first congressional hearing on the

matter, the state department's chief freedom of information officer acknowledged it would not be acceptable for'm employees to keep a government e-mail on a private server. >> i think that the actions that we've taken in the course of recovering this -- these e-mails have made it very clear what people's responsibilities are with regard to recordkeeping. i think the message is loud and clear that that is not acceptable. >> so it is a completely unacceptable process going forward and it should have been retrospectively? >> going forward, yes, sir. >> joyce barr didn't acknowledge whether it was acceptable when clinton was secretary. she also reluctantly admitted she had no way of knowing how much official e-mail hillary clinton had actually turned over. >> we have them now, sir. >> you have them all? do you have all of them? >> we have the e-mails that she's released to us, all of the

official ones. >> do you know what percentage that represents of all the e-mails she has on her server? >> no i do not. >> so you don't have any way of verifying that you have all of the official e-mails that she processed on her personal e-mail account? >> we have been told that she has provided by those two us. >> who told you that? >> the secretary. >> so you're taking her word for it? i'm sorry? >> yes, sir. >> wow. that is so uncomfortable theater right there. >> yup. >> she was also asked whether it was -- it made it less secure that she did this in chappaqua instead of the united states state department and reluctantly gave an answer there. she was not a hostile witness, but she certainly did not want to implicate, sam, did not want to implicate the secretary in any way. but clearly put in a terribly uncomfortable position by the

former secretary's own -- >> there's not much to add to this. the testimony speaks for itself. clinton -- i mean, if not in the spirit of the law and the letter of the law, whatever you want to say tried to skirt the transparency elements of her job she may have by having the server in chappaqua, created security risks in addition to that and this is the price she will pay for doing this. the clinton camp will say "well, everyone makes their own decisions about what's private or not." but the truth is if you start at the front end with a public dragnet on your e-mails it's far more likely you will have transparency than if you go on the back end. and she chose not to do that. >> so, josh, for your new piece about the clinton foundation controversies, you spoke with donor and billionaire mining magnate frank giustra and you write in part this "voters will have to take it on faith these arrangement are innocent as the participants claim. frank giustra, for one, sounds doubtful they will. if i didn't know me and i wasn't there, he says i would think

oh, my god, there's some connection between all the good stuff that's happening with giustra and his donations to the clinton trips. if hillary clinton is going to make it to the white house, she'll need to convince voters otherwise." josh let me push you a little bit. >> even giustra sounds skeptical. >> yes, but since you also vehemently want a "there" there with the deflated balls, tell me what the "there" there is with hillary clinton? is there anything? we keep getting a lot of great questions brought to the table. >> i think the "there" with hillary clinton is the same thing on the e-mail scandals. it's a lack of transparency. if you look at the damage that hillary clinton has sustained from the clinton cashbook it's really not anything in the book because as you say there's no smoking gun. but it's the lack of transparency around it. you've had news organizations from the "new york times" to bloomberg to the "washington post" to abc news all turning up these undisclosed foreign donors

which the clinton -- sorry, which the clinton foundation agreed with the white house in writing that they would release and they haven't. so it feeds the impression that peter schweizer, the author is trying to create that there's something shady going on behind the scenes that hillary clinton doesn't want to disclose. that's why when you look at polls like nbc's new polls, even though clinton polled very strongly in terms of her leadership ability, a majority of americans find her not honest and trustworthy. i think that's the problem right there in a nutshell. >> josh giustra, when you talked to him denied as you would expect, any wrongdoing in his relationship with the clintons or their foundation. but in your reporting did you find anything else, this uranium deal and everything else? >> well it was a little fricky in the report. giustra essentially wanted to get off his chest what he didn't feel the media had shared in the writing about his uranium deal. he told me that there was nothing untoward going on, that

yes, he and bill clinton had dined with kazakhstan's president but the deal -- >> we all knew that. >> the deal by that point was -- >> who around the table hasn't dined with kazakhstan's president. >> i have a date this friday. >> i have a shabbat din they are friday with him. >> the point giustra wanted to make and i have no reason to not believe him was that he sold out of this company two years before hillary clinton became secretary of state. we agreed during our interview that he would provide me documents so we could independently verify this. he hasn't done that yet. that was about 10 days ago so i can't say for certain. but his claim is that, look, my relationship with bill clinton is all about charity. and one of the fun things in my piece is he sort of describes in elaborate detail how bill clinton kind of, you know seduced him and brought him in and got him really turned on to the idea of giving away all his money. >> josh, it does seem having read a bunch of these stories now, that the quid pro quo

wasn't "we'll give to the clinton foundation and secretary clinton will then pursue this policy within the obama administration." what happened, it seemed was people like giustra gave to the clinton foundation and clinton opened doors to them that they didn't have open before. he got them audiences with heads of state, with important leaders around the world. and then they were able to do the business on their own. that seems to be the predominant relationship that's been exposed by a bunch of these clinton cash revelations. >> i think that's right. >> and why giustra, josh you know this why giustra in the first place would be starting -- start writing all of those massive checks to bill clinton and his foundation. for introductions because giustra would have not had any of those introductions if he hadn't started writing checks to clinton. >> i don't know if that's true. giustra was a billionaire mining magnate before he ever met bill clinton. the figure i liken giustra to in my "businessweek" piece is ron burkel. because the thing that giustra i think like most about clinton

was just being in his orbit and the proximity. he lent clinton his jet 26 times. >> how many dinners did he have with the president of kazakhstan and other countries who had massive uranium deposits in their country, before he met bill clinton? >> i don't know. >> i don't, either. but i would bet the answer to that is zero. and i remember reading about this deal back when it happened and looked at it going, wow. >> hey, josh did the foundation pick up any part of the 25 reported jet trips? >> i don't know because they have not been forth coming with nearly as much information as they ought to. they haven't even released the names of over a thousand donors, i think now, even after having agreed to do so. so we don't know what's going on. it's frustrating, i should point out, mike not just to

journalists, but yesterday in africa at a clinton foundation event one of the big donors up on stage with bill clinton actually kind of lambasted and said "why aren't you guys at the clinton foundation doing a better job of standing up for yourself? disclosing this information?" and clinton himself said "look, i don't know, i just work here." still ahead on "morning joe," it may not cost you a whole paycheck the next time you want to go shopping at whole foods. the big change in store for the company. also, the first lady's going to be here on set and there are plenty of scandals to talk about. yes. actress bellamy young from the hit political drama "scandal" joins us in just a few minutes. you're watching "morning joe." ♪

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time now for a look at the morning papers. whole foods has announced plans to launch a lower price sister chain aimed at younger customers. >> how about the rest of america. >> the new stores will not only appeal to millennials because of pricing but because of the -- oh no -- hip, cool, and tech oriented which by definition they are not hip or cool. a a name has not been announced. >> a good idea. >> half foods or three quarter foods. >> does that mean the artichokes won't cost $48 now? >> i have to say, it's a lovely store and the food is delicious and beautiful, it is way too expensive. it's just way too expensive. >> your family goes in -- >> sorry, i'm like -- i have kiboshed it because we can't go there without ending up totally spending more than you plan on spending on groceries. >> correct. >> that is wrong. they're going to have to figure

it out. >> i agree. >> they're doing okay though. i don't think they need to. >> well maybe they don't care but they should care because most parts of america are food deserts. >> you know when the snicker bars got so big they started costing -- >> come on it's a good start. >> so snicker bar and a diet coke? >> diet? >> yeah. i'm under two buck there is. >> why diet? go for the real thing. >> he likes the taste of diet better. >> stop. >> we put it in his baby bottles when he was a year old so he'd get the taste for it. >> you stopped doing dr. pepper. from nbcnews.com, nearly 17 million americans have gained health insurance since the affordable care act took effect. according to a new study by the rand corporation. the study finds that 22.8 million uninsured people became insured and 5.9 million lost their coverage from september, 2013, to february of 2015 creating a net gain of 16.9 million people.

but most didn't buy their insurance on the exchanges. employers sponsored health plans accounted for the biggest gain. by rand's own measure, about 33 million americans remain uninsured in 2015. from the "new york times," former house speaker jim wright a texas democrat who represented his congressional district for more than three decades, died wednesday at a fort worth, texas, nursing home. wright was the democratic majority leader for ten years before rising to speaker in 1987. he would step down just two years later amid ethics charges related to business dealings. house minority leader nancy pelosi released a statement yesterday calling wright a person of "deep courage, brilliant eloquence and complete mastery of the legislative process." jim wright was 92 years old. >> mike barnicle he came in at the beginning of the gingrich era. >> he did. gingrich went after him with a vengeance, a lot of people on the house floor were shocked that somebody was doing that

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. 28 past the hour. it's election day in the uk and the polling stations are reporting high turnout. >> this is exciting. >> it is exciting. >> none of you are excited, don't lie. >> there's prime minister david cameron's main challenger in the general election, the labour party's ed miliband casting his vote. the latest guardian poll has cameron cameron's conservative party and miliband's labor tied at 35% apiece. because of the tight polls, many brits are expecting to wake up tomorrow with no party having

won enough seats to have a major the i in the house of commons. if that happens the, incumbent stays in office and gets the first crack at forming a coalition. if he's unable to he resigns and the leader of the opposition tries his hand at forming a government. joining us now editor at large for dailymail.com piers morgan and cindi lieve, sam steinbach at the table as well. >> a, congratulations on sounding so excited about something nobody in america has even mentioned. >> what? we've been talking about it. >> second ed miliband and cameron, we could walk them around 30 rock and nobody would know. get real you have a very bunch of mediocre boring politicians. >> what country are we talking about? wait a minute, i'm confused. >> both sides of the the atlantic. but we have an election where the reason why nobody can get a majority is because they are so incredibly mediocre. and nobody really feels ready to

vote for any of them. look at them, that's the choice. multicultural britain, that is the choice. three middle-class middle aged posh boys in bad suits. slick horrible hair. that's the choice for britain, people. >> so piers, we always hear when we're over there that the wrong miliband won. >> well, the right miliband is in new york. >> yeah, the right miliband is in new york. so is labor going to really be able to squeak this snout. >> well they could thanks to the new brave heart. so nicholas sturgeon, the leader of the scottish nationalist party has ripped the labour party in scotland to so many tiny pieces we may never see them rebuilt. so she is if you can imagine, a short redheaded lady now bravehart mel gibson. she has taken it to the english in scotland and wiped them away. she will now have potentially 45 to 50 seats in the uk parliament. this is unprecedented? >> so people will have to court her. she will matter. >> they will. but her and david cameron, the

conservative party courting each other is like -- it's not a good -- >> it's not a good mating dance. >> they click, according to david cameron. >> nick clegg's problem, who is part of the existing coalition government is that the liberal democrat party has seep their party collapse so he and cameron can no longer form a majority. >> what's the state of britain? what are the main issues? >> well, the big issues -- you have this splinter right wing group and they basically ran on two issues one is immigration and the other is a kind of -- to me it plays -- there was a show that used to be on tv kick the foreigners out and keep us out of europe. and ukip stands for keeping britain out of europe and keeping foreigners out of our country. >> and they did very well in the e.u. elections and they could be a big surprise. >> they will get a lot of votes but no seats. >> oh really? no seats. >> i think they'll get one or

two seats if they're lucky and the leader, who's quite charismatic, beer swilling smokes cigarettes he may even not win his own seat. so it's a very confusing election. anything can happen. my bet would be that whatever happens in the next day or two, in about three, four months you can see another general election. >> ooh. >> to try to clarify which is fairly unprecedented. it has happened before. >> that's not boring piers. >> it's not boring but the reason we are in this mess is because the candidates are all so boring and there are so many of them. >> will we see scottish independence come up again? we all paid attention to that. >> let me make it relevant to american viewers which is this. >> oh thank you. that would be nice. >> let me try. let me paint a doomsday scenario. nicholas sturgeon braveheart, if she wants to have scottish independence, that's what their party stands for. they lost a recent referendum to win their independence. she says of course i won't go for that again. we know that means of course i

will here's what may happen the uk gets split. scotland gets seeded away and we could potentially have the situation where we lose our united nations security council. >> well, that matters. >> that becomes a security issue. she also wants to get rid of britain's nuclear deterrent. >> two questions, one for the producer of this show. is ate prerequisite to put the clash's "lop don calls" on every time? >> i would prefer the jam but go ahead. >> usually this -- we think of elections as referendums to the person in power. can you describe what a standing is? is that tenuous? >> the bizarre situation is that britain's doing quite well economically compared to the rest of europe which has been a basket case. we're doing very well. there's a sense of prosperity there which ought to mean cameron is storming to a huge victory. he's not -- the reason is people don't buy into him. they see him as a slick -- he

was a normer pr guy in television, a too slick guy for his own good old etonian schoolboy, people think he's out of touch with the regular voter on the street and that's been his problem. >> mika i have a very important question to ask. >> yes. >> what is cindi wearing? >> i don't know, what are you wearing? i love it. >> this is an english designer as a matter of fact. >> see, there's a connection. all right, "glamour's" new issue out, two things i'm writing a book and it's coming out next week related to the topic of the first survey that you've done what does success mean to women? what did "glamour" find out? >> we find out women want to be successful, they are going for it at work but they don't think it's going to be that much fun. this was the one thing that bummed me out about our -- >> that's my book. >> women think yeah i'm going for it, i want that corner office, i want the raise but i'm sure i'm going to be sleep deprived and exhausted when i get there. which is sometimes true. but if you have a big job and you want to encourage young

women you have to make it look like fun sometimes. >> yeah. and also understand the potholes along the way for sure. >> is it fun for you? >> is fun. >> her office is gorgeous. >> i love your cover girl. anna kendric. she's becoming a cool star i think. >> she's incredibly cool. one of the things she talks about is the double standard for women in hollywood. she talks about how for a movie she's going for a big role in right now, she has to wait until the male principals will get cast before they cast the women. >> but the sony hacked e-mails are changing that because jennifer lawrence is holding out for $20 million payday which she's only doing because the sony e-mails said look at her, she never get what is she should get. >> they revealed in fact, that charlize theron was getting less than her male co-stars for "the huntsman" and she went back and negotiated her pay fairly as a result. >> mika is it fun for you? >> is it fun for me? um -- the book comes out next week. >> i love you two opposite each other. it's like "downton abbey" when things get tense. and there's a big salt and

pepper or chandelier in the middle having dinner a hundred yards away from each other. >> it's much safer this way. >> are you feeling tense? >> about being in the middle of this? look, i feel that there is -- in britain there's uncertainty when there shouldn't be and i feel angry at the political process for allowing that to do. i personally feel more tense about the state of my football team but we shouldn't get into that. it makes me too angry. >> paid leave for both parents, another issue "glamour" tackles. >> the founder of the shoe company tom's wrote a piece for us in this issue about why he decided to take paternity leave which very few men do. it's a tiny percent of men who are eligible for it and a tiny percent of companies that offer it to begin with. and obviously, you know, if we're talking about wanting -- >> there's so many jokes here. >> didn't chris take paid leave? >> i think you did. >> no i do not. i do not. >> i think tom brady should take paid leave.

don't you? >> if you had it to do over joe, would you take it? >> i can't. i was there because a lot of -- you know susan was in the hospital and jack was a preemie and her blood pressure was like 160 over 130. so, yeah i wasn't going to be hanging out in new york. >> most iphone 4 kids -- most dads don't want to do paid paternity leave. let's be honest. >> ooh. >> they don't. they pretend they do but after two weeks of a tiny little baby i love my children to pieces but when they're this size and all they're doing is eating, guzzling and depositing it isn't the most exciting gig in town. >> that's the most cynical -- >> that's why my admiration for women knows no bounds. >> that's not cynical, that is the truth. mika's pulling away here. >> my admiration for women is -- but for men that is the real deal. >> cindi i'll have you respond in a second. i had a guy work for me in

another city he just had a baby about the baby was five or six days and he's like i'm coming back on monday. he goes "you need to go back to your wife." he goes "i need to sleep." >> i've taken maternity leaves, you don't take it because it's exciting. if a guy is taking it expecting he's going to be relaxing in front of the tv he'll be disappointed. you take it because you get to give your wife a break and bond with your child. >> we understand why we need to do it. my only point is if anyone thinks men are desperate to do this then they are barking up the wrong tree. >> millennial men are. back me up. >> i don't have a kid but it seems critically. >> piers morgan thank you. >> all right, mika's next. cindi, thank you. and up next, "scandal." we're coming up next bellamy young here me cindy, piers, you're gone. bye-bye.

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>> i want to the sit down with her. >> no. >> why not, she can go toe to toe with sally. >> you'll look defensive. >> i am defensive. she's attacking me. first lady is not a job, it's a title. is grand marshal a job? >> no. >> no it's not. >> but that's not the point we want to make. right now we need to address the real concern that you are too close to the president. >> i am married to the president! >> that was a scene from season four of the hit show "scandal." joining us now is the flaid dinady herself actress "bellamy young." she also has a cd coming out "far away so close." >> thank you so much for having me on this morning. >> i have to thank you because my daughters and i -- they make

me watch "scandal." i say they make me i like it. >> good. >> so you kind of brought us closer together. they'll be like "scandal? scandal? let's go." >> we hear sometimes that the ladies start watching "scandal" and then get their men to watch and they're in. like a date night. >> your character is a lot of fun and there's more to her than meets the eye. what is it that's more to her than meets the eye? >> it's so much. and i think it's such a moment that we're in. a capable person who happens to be wrapped in a woman's body and there's so much to fight against in that -- inherent dilemma. and on top of that, you know her sweet husband that she adores has fallen in love with some other lady. so that's an issue. >> shonda rimes creates the best female character. i love the relationship you have with kerry washington's character olivia. can you talk about that? >> we mourn the fact that we would have been best of friends under circumstances that don't involve the existence of fitzgerald grant but two capable

women in the white house. it's such a crucible of a situation and to be such -- top such equals in so many ways so similar and so drawn apart. it's great tension. >> what's wonderful is also watching at some points and i'm not completely up to date but sometimes you're like she's just a mess then you're totally rooting for her. like in the same episode, even you can do a total turnaround. does that make sense? >> shonda's a genius. >> i watch the show -- >> you watch it? >> i haven't watched the most recent season because it was like so much murder and, like, back stabbing i was just like -- >> sammy, are you a flower? [ laughter ] >> i'm a delicate flower. i have this ideal version of washington. [ laughter ] >> you're in the wrong business. >> you have a cd coming out. >> i do. >> and i have to say usually people say "oh, i cover songs." and you say, oh god, really "american pie." but you cover some really cool songs. "the ghost in you" psychedelic

furs but also tom waits and what else? >> "my sweet carolina." i wish i were blessed with the talent to write songs, it's such an unexplainable gift but for me it's just the singing. >> how long have you been singing. >> since i was a wee little thing. like since i could make noise with this pie hole. so i did pageants when i was little. my mom tried to find any outlet in north carolina that would allow me to sing church pageants, what have you. i went to yale because i thought i could study physics and still be able to sing. >> how did that work out? >> i flamed out in physics. >> at the end of "indiana jones" the knight says "you chose wisely." you flamed out in physics but you got here. >> you can catch "scandal" at 9:00 on abc. the season finale next thursday night, oh, no. >> i know. >> what happens? >> big stuff. big stuff. big stuff. >> murder? >> and bellamy's new album "far

away so close" is out this week. download it on itunes. >> bellamy young, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me you guys. >> great to have you. congratulations. and you saved me from piers. >> i got your back. >> that conversation was going downhill. time now for business before the bell with brian sullivan. brian, the april jobs report is due out tomorrow. what are we expecting? >> well hopefully to quote one of joe's favorite bands, not a heart break beat from the psychedelic furs. i apologize. the consensus forecast about 220,000 give or take a few thousand depending on who you ask. this is going to be a big one, guys, because the first quarter data overall was so weak in so many ways people saying hey, discount the first quarter, you had awful weather, boston was buried under snow you also had the west coast port strike so this number could be a tell really on where the economy is starting to go and whether or not we're going to get that second-quarter snapback. on a good news front, a u.n. report says global food prices are at their lowest level in five years, not just in america,

this is global dairy, grains other meats coming down. in fact most commodity prices are down over the last year so a little bit cheaper at the store, perhaps, and maybe at whole foods as well mika. i know you're hot on this topic. whole foods saying it's going to launch a new lower-priced sort of i don't know hipper trendier type store to make this higher end food more accessible to millennials and folks that don't want to spend $100 a bag on their groceries and, by the way, here's my rant of the day -- they used the word cure rate in their press release. i hate that word. unless you work at a museum never use the word koour rate. >> good point. >> i don't think it's just millennials who want to pay less than $100 for an apple, anyhow. >> it's a very red happen l. >> it's delicious. >> thank you so much for being with us. we'll be back in just a moment. keep it right here on "morning joe." your dog's definitely got your back. but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families

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okay as the weather heats up more and more people head outside to soak up the sun. that's sparking some concern from people who know all about the consequences of the sun. may is skin cancer awareness month, and one of the physicians sounding the alarm is associate clinical professor at mount sinai medical center dr. ellen marmer, a leading dermatologist and surgeon and she joined us to turn her warnings into action.

we've got something bigger going on here that you're going to see in just a moment but let's first talk about the issue. melanoma, you care deeply about this for a lot of reasons. tell us why and how bad the problem is spreading. >> so as a surgeon i've done 14,000 surgeries in my short career so far and i'm seeing more and more skin cancers, especially in young people. there have been so many changes, climate change global warming, our sunscreens are not being approved, the ingredients are not being approved as quickly as we want them to be so even this hour somebody is going to succumb to skin cancer. >> do sunscreens work? all of them? >> sunscreens are great, the ones that say spf 30 to 50 water resistant, they work you just need to use them. that's the biggest issue is that people forget to use them or cheat or don't reapply. >> my daughters still like to get tan, which makes no sense to me lying out in the sun. >> tanning salons have been shown to increase your risk of

melanoma by 75 times and we really shouldn't be out baking anymore in the sun. >> so dr. marmur is going to do something brave. you're going to be donating something to a melanoma patient. not just money. bring the chair. bring the renowned hair stylist. you're donating your hair. >> i'm cutting it all off for a skin cancer survivor. >> right now. have a seat. i told you. 0-here it goes. >> are you sure? >> yes, do it do it. there it goes. >> she looks good. >> so cute! >> you're always telling me mika will be like on the subway and

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you know who else is running for president? mike huckabee. yeah! [ laughter ] i mean you can cut the apathy with a knife. >> really. >> mike huckabee made the big announcement. here, take a look. >> i announce that i am a candidate for student council at hope junior high school. [ cheers and applause ] >> you know who else is running for president? let me mention this name see if you know this name bernie sanders. a lot of you people think that's the guy where you go get chicken in a bucket. [ laughter ] and he's running for president so tonight we're again profiling bernie sanders. this time man of many talents.

>> you have to have a country -- [ applause ] >> i'd vote for that. >> time to talk about what we learned today. joe, what did you learn? what did you learn? >> i learned so much i'll pass it to make. pike, what have you learned? >> everyone should read sebastian junger's piece in "vanity fair," veterans ptsd. >> that was ground breaking actually. >> something heavy. i learned that tom brady is a liar and a cheat. >> oh! >> he should have all those super bowl titles stripped from his record and give it to the new york giants. >> don't you hate it? >> that's something. i learned that even though i love piers morgan guys don't listen to him about paternity leave. if you want to take paternity leave, take it. >> mika what did you learn? >> i learned that you are really, really really defensive and let a lot go when it comes to deflated balls but with

hillary clinton you're like down to the line. . it's interesting. there's no "there" there in one but there's no "there" there in the other. >> i think if somebody has deflated balls it's just to let it go. don't touch it. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, "the rundown" starts right now. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. breaking news on "the rundown," we're just getting aerial pictures from oklahoma. take a look at this. this tornado damage it's the first strike of what remains a very dangerous weather situation across the nation's heartland. more than nine million people are at risk right now for severe storms tornados and flash flooding from texas to kansas. authorities are out this morning surveying the damage after at least 50 tornados some dropping baseball-sized hail tore across a 500 mile stretch spanning four