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omission of key facts and lines of inquiry suggest the investigators were not thorough." the wells report omitted virtually all of tom's testimony. critical because it would have provided the context that it lacked. brady will sit down at a previously scheduled talk at a university. the debate continues. here we'll be fair and impartial and not look back at the allegations but look forward to the punishment. around the country, people talking about fines, suspensions, and loss of draft choices. what are they talking about in foxboro, heart of patriots country? we sent our man in to friendly territory, steve, much friendlier than here yesterday. tell us how people there are thinking about the penalty phase. >> reporter: yeah, look there's a lot of suspense here. i guess a lot of suspense for everybody following the story anywhere. there's two ways to look at it
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now. you look at that report the nfl came out with it yesterday. and obviously it was very damning in what it suggest good tom brady. we suggest tom brady not coach, bill belichick, tom kraft, not the organization will tom brady face a serious suspension here. if it's one game, the first game of the season, it would be a big game. the thursday night game to kick off the season. national television, bon jovi concert, pittsburgh steelers. would they make him sit that out? would he sit out two, four some people said eight games? half the season? that's sort of the suspense now. you look at that report yesterday, you say, well wow, the nfl has to act here don't they? they do have language in some of their bylaws that says it's the preponderance of evidence. they don't necessarily need a smoking gun if they have a preponderance of the evidence for a competitive violation. they can move. they can act. certainly there are a lot of owners around the league. the people who employ roger goodell, the commissioner who think the patriots have sort of had it easy have gotten away a lot through the years. that's the pressure that's going to be on goodell. on the other side if you look
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at the brady side you mentioned the statement that his agent put out. a defiant statement that didn't give an inch. you talk about throwing yourself on the mercy of the court, there is the exact opposite. the calculation from the brady camp is, look that report as damning as it is in the court of public opinion everybody around the country can say, yeah we think brady knew something, they say every allegation in there was qualified. there are 23 instances in that report of we think it's more likely than not, more probable than not. we think this is the most plausible. no real smoking gun. no definitive clear-cut, concrete proof. they're basically saying look this is tom brady. this is basically the face of the league. this is the rapinge ing -- this is the reigning super bowl quarterback. they think -- the nfl basically needed to get him dead to right and didn't. their posture is to be defiant. tom brady expected to speak at salem state university an hour north of here.
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we'll chump in the car and head up as soon as this is over. we'll see if he addresses this head-on or not. the first ten minutes of the appearance will be open to the press. to cameras, video cameras and still cameras after ten minutes, they'll cut it off, though. >> i know you want to jump in so badly now. we'll at least there. thank you. back to, of course your idol worshipping. now we're joined by espn nfl business analyst andrew bran. will tom brady be suspend the question on everyone's mind. if so, is that a harsh enough mmt? >> we'll see what happens -- punishment? >> we'll see what happens with suspension. this is a big deal. i know people talk about it being a rolling through a stop sign or parking ticket but the nfl's built on rules. everything's about competitive balance, playing a level playing field. when we talk about the cap or free agency restraints, all teams are focused on the league. that they treat every team equally, and there are a lot of
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eyes on this because they know the relationship between roger goodell and robert kraft. we're going to see what happens here. i think when we -- i'm a lawyer. when we talk about more likely than not generally aware, this is not someone on social media doing this report. this is someone who's doing a measured, reasoned informed analysis, not jumping to conclusions, but saying words that are culpable in the minds of the nfl. the nfl has a standard just like anyone has a standard when teams violate rules. that is preponderance of evidence. that is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. that's preponderance of evidence. so more likely than not is damning in this situation, it is circumstantial evidence. but they had a tight end go to jail for murder for circumstantial evidence. this happens. i think it's a strong case laid out. i think there will be severe punishment. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. this is a big deal. this is not running a stop sign. when you are monkeying with the balls or in baseball the
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equivalent corking the bat you are having a material impact on the game. and that is a big deal. some people have theorized what the penalty should be. my man andy at the new yorker the funny guy, writes something harsh in what football insiders call an unexpected punishment. brady sentenced to a year with the new york jets for his role. he's joking no one would consider being that harsh on someone like tom brady. look some of the challenge for the nfl is that brady is the face of the nfl for this era. and a significant punishment, though called for outside of new england, would mar the legacy of the face of the league. so do they have the courage to do that? >> i think they do. i think we're talking about four parties here with -- with discipline. the two lower level employees that were involved in the manipulation and tampering of the footballs, they may be ex-employees pie now. we don't know.
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but they'll face punishment. then we talk about tom brady. i do think there will be a suspension. really hard to speculate. i'm guessing two to four games. who knows? i would think that will be the range. it could be longer. that's my guess. the more interesting thing to me guys, is what happens to the patriots. now, bill belchick and robert kraft were exonerated in this report. but -- but three years ago there was punishments for the saints' senior leadership because they were -- ignorance was no excuse to the bounty schemes going. on a month ago, an atlanta falcons senior vice president got a suspension even though he was not involved in the transgression which was piped in crowd noise. so because of a history, we know spygate could we know playing fast and loose with the rules before, because of all that i think there will be punishment for the organization here even though robert kraft is fully cleared in this report. >> i think that's such a great
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point. if you look at this report, the prior transgressions, you can say that there is a culture that at least permits cheating at the patriots? >> yeah. it's not just the colts, there may be other teams. there's a watchful i -- -- listen, i was with the packers. we all have paranoia that the league favors certain teams or not. that paranoia is directed at certain team more than others, one being the patriots. people are watching this and look at what happened in the past. one important thing to point out in this report 100 pages were about atmospherics and science refuting bill belichick's indignant stance about the weather and the temperature drop and all that basically calling b.s. on bill belchick for 100 pages. again, they took it -- took a
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hammer to some of the things the patriots were saying. >> speak to the process we'll see going forward. folks are saying this isn't really in roger goodell's court yet. troy vin sent is going to be handling this. roger goodell seems to be laying back a little. speak about the process. >> troy is roger's designee in the football operations area. whether we talk about football operations, that's what this is. this is game day. this is game day, game day operations, what goes on the field, around the officials, around the locker rooms, the ball boys attendants. that's what his area is. you better believe, of course troy vincent is not doing anything without the vetting and blessing of roger goodell. but it will come from troy vincent. but of course like any leadership, any big corporation, we know the boss has weighed in on it. yes, it will come from troy vincent. but that is the me? of roger goodell -- designee of
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roger goodell. >> thank you very much. >> good to be with you. some breaking news now. a major update on the weekend shooting at that draw muhammad cartoon event in texas. the fbi says they issued a bulletin about gunman elton simpson and the specific event three hours before the event. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams has the details. what have you got? >> reporter: the fbi director says the bureau was sending to the police in garland texas, information about people who might be considered a threat. and that three hours before the event was to start, it sent a picture of elton simpson and his name, saying he was interested in the event, not that he was going to attack or was on his way there. the fbi obviously didn't know. that told him he might be someone to look out for potentially. there's no reason to think the fbi director says that the police officer who ended up shooting the two phoenix gunmen had this information in advance. the larger message that they
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wanted to get across today was how this event points out the change in how social media is being used to recruit and urge people in the u.s. to carry out attack. a few years ago, if you were interested in jihadist propaganda you had to go to a website. the fbi could hang out and see who was going. now it goes directly to people. as he said, it goes to the devices in their pockets with a constant message for them to do something. he said it's like the devil on your shoulder. tapping you and saying, kill kill kill. he said, i know there are other elton simpsons out. there he said hundreds if not thousands of people in the u.s. are following jihadist media, and there are hundreds of cases open with the investigations in every states of potential home-grown extremist. it's a big problem. hard for the fbi to deal with.
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he said because of this it's more important for people to speak out if they see a friend or family member acting suspiciously. >> unsettling news. thank you very much for that. >> you bet. next up politics brit style which, of course makes everything better. the stakes for one of america's closest allies could not be any higher. dozens of twisters race across the plains. another outbreak may be on the way. we'll go to the ground there. later, kurt cobain's music impacted an entire generation. now a decade after his death, a newly unearthed trove of his drawings writings, and home videos is giving new insight into the nirvana front man. there's a new song, as well. taxi. vo: after years of being treated like she was invisible it occurred to mindy she might actually be invisible. ♪♪ but mindy was actually not invisible. ooh, what are you doing? can you see me? she had just always been treated that way. yeah. you don't have to look at me like that.
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polling stations in pubs? >> nice. >> yes my friends, leave it to the brits. they now have less than two hours left at the polls. don't expect final results tonight. it's only after five weeks of campaigning here this is one of the u.k.'s tightest elections in a generation. about the pubs, well, some rural towns are really using pubs as polling locations. most, however, using schools and community centers. let's get to alex jamieson in our london bureau. good day to you. the u.k. had about 65% turnout in the last general election. so how turnout now? >> yeah, it's pretty similar. the report we're hearing so far that the turnout has been just as high if not higher. with the local polling station doubling as a bar, maybe that's not surprising. with 45 million registered voters to get through all kinds of historic buildings, windpoliticals, and the like have been pressed into service.
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among those casting their ballot, prime minister david cameron, he voted early with his wife samantha. he hopes to stay on as prime minister. all the signs are that either he or his main rival, the labor party's ed miliband won't is done enough to secure an outright majority. outright victory. they'll have to negotiate with smaller parties to form the next government. that gives a lot of power to groups like the bright wing u.k. independence party who want britain to quit the european union. and to the scottish nationalists who last year almost succeeded in a referendum on scotland's independence from the united kingdom. we could be in for some interesting negotiations. exit polls will give a better idea on the outcome. with results on the knife edge, you t might not be until we get result from rural districts such as the southwest tip of england before we get an absolute final
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definitive answer on who will next be in downing streets. the leader of the largest individual party gets to start the coalition talks. the last election, that process took some five days. thing could take a lot longer this time around with things being so complex. >> it could be a long road ahead. thank you very much for that. with us now daniel noles, stateside covering the british elections. the washington correspondent at the "economist." great to see you. sounds like there's a good chance there won't be a clear winner tonight. so the question is, what happens next and could indecision have affects on foreign policy in the u.s. and around the world? >> it's going to be really messy. the weird thing is i think we know roughly what the numbers are going to be. who gets to form the government is unclear. and you know one of the more likely possibilities is that labor forms a minority government there. they're reliant on the scottish national party for confidence, for votes essentially. the scottish national party wants to get rid of britain's
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talent -- the membership in the security council. big deal in terms of defense spending overall. from the foreign policy perspective, that's obviously worrying to a lot of people. i think realistically the scottish national party wouldn't get their way. there is a majority in parliament among conservatives and labor for maintaining trident. it's all going to be so messy. you don't know what the parties the bigger parties, conservative or labor depending the numbers, are going to have to give to get it. >> does david cameron have a mitt romney problem here? has he had trouble relating because of his upper crust background? >> he absolutely has. he's had it since he began leader of the conservative party in 2005. he's an older, oxford educated. he sounds a little like me. he doesn't sound like your average brit.
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and i think certainly in government you know he struggled to get the impression that he understands ordinary concerns. there's been a time when people have been hard up in britain, when wages have been falling in the u.s. he hasn't done a good job of getting across the idea that although the economy's recovering, it's a recovery benefiting most people rather than just people like him. >> can we talk about america for a minute? >> of course. >> jeb announced that he's outsourcing a lot of traditional campaign activity to a super pac. hillary says she'll do the same. it appears that we're moving quickly to a future where outside groups have way more power than the parties themselves. what kind of impact will it have on the campaign? >> fass flightsing. in britain there's no -- fascinating. in britain there's no money for politics. i was here when hillary made her -- she announced before, she
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wanted -- one of the first things she said was how she wanted to get money to politics. the problem is that you can't do that unilaterally. you've got to win first. i think she's realized that such is the scale of money against her. and such is her ability to raise money. she's got to pitch in and make her super pac gets some support. so yeah there's a slight hypocrisy in it, but it's hard to see what else she'd do. >> the other big story in politics today, the federal court overruling the nsa surveillance program. with you're from in the u.k. there's debate over how much surveillance to have after 9/11. what's interesting about this decision, we'll put up a quote, it says, look this bulk data program, the the one edward snowden exposed, is not about individual terror cases but seeks records to create a vast data bank, basically a huge warehouse of data on millions of
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americans. that was ruled illegal today. your thoughts? >> i mean when edward snowden's revelations came out and "the guardian" was producing this "the new york times," everybody was following. this there was a huge debate over the legality of it. of course this had been something that was supposedly known about, that was scrutinized by the congress. i think what the ruling helped show is thatly it reveal something that was going wrong, that's the position the court's taken. i think it's going to restart the debate about what is legitimate surveillance. of course, one of the fwhings the ruling, the term it doesn't really say anything about the constitutional validity of that sort of surveillance. it just says that it's not -- not acceptable in the current federal law which is something that is changeable, of course, and the patriot act coming up
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for renewal soon. i'm sure it's going to influence the debate about that when you know when congress is working out what to do with the patriot act the next month or so. >> right. the judges saying, look, this of a secret program, congress didn't authorize. they're not saying whether the fourth amendment fribt. thank you very much for joining us. next, another divisive issue for democrats. the looming transpacific trade deal and why china, yes, china, could be the sticking point. stay tuned. 20? introducing nutrient-dense purina one true instinct with real salmon and tuna and 30% protein. support your active dog's whole body health with purina one. new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create
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welcome back. there's a new sticking point in president obama's efforts to lock in a trade deal with 11 asian and pacific rim nations. this one coming from his own party. chuck schumer, the number-three democrat in the senate said yesterday there would be no deal without a crackdown on china's currency manipulation. he went so far as to call china's actions economic bullying and said he would encourage fellow senate democrats to oppose the transpacific partnership. china's not currently part of the deal but may sign on at some
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point. in keeping america competive with china, it's something congress continues to worry about. one of the many topics discussed in depth in foreign affairs' new issue all about china. in the introduction our next guest writes that the scale and speed of china's extraordinary advancement rank it as one of the great events in human history. gideon rose editor of foreign affairs. good to see you. we were talking about the elections in the u.k. some uncertainty there. how closely is china, how closely are leaders watching this? do they even care? >> this sounds mean but not really. i mean they care but britain is playing much less of a role in the global stage, and it's not clear that either candidate would have a dramatically different foreign policy. the rest of the world is watching, obviously, it's an important country. but i don't think that the chinese are up wondering who's going to win and what the coalition's going to be. >> having spent years living in china, recently in beijing, you talk to the folks there, they only see blue sky ahead of them. they think that china is the
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future. as you point out in this issue there are a lot of challenges ahead for china. how aware are they and are they prepared to face them? >> they are aware but they think they can beat them. the real question is china has grown dramatically performed extraordinarily well and moved up from totalitarianism and poverty to authoritarianism and middle income stasdstus. they've picked the low hanging fruit. the question, can they keep the amazing track record going in the future or are they going to fall to earth like almost everybody does when you get to the middle stage of development. they think, hey, we have a lot of resources, and we know there are problems but we're smart. we have a lot of power in the central government and can devise policies that will get us through this. others are saying look, at some point the laws of gravity and history come to bear, and you're going to bump into problems. and xi jinping's anti-corruption
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government is at the heart of this. there's corruption, inequality, rule of law, and is trying to attack this with a crackdown on corruption. it's seeming to do something about the problem. if it succeeds, that's good. if it fails, it will make the problems worse and the government weaker. something to watch. >> another challenge for china that i think a lot of people might not realize is debt. normally when we think of china and debt we think of how much money we owe them. they have a massive debt load. 28 it% of their gdp -- 282% of their gdp. >> that's the single biggest thing to watch. basically if we look at the financial history, crises come about when you have massive debt. it's almost impossible to get your way out of a major debts crisis without something really bad happening to the economy. what's happened with china is their growth has kept going forward, then they've pushed it forward in the last few years with more and more debt. and the question is at what point will this start to unravel. the optimists say, hey the debt is paid to them. it's chinese paying it largely
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to themselves. the government still has control of power and it will be able again, to gets by this finesse on auto -- to get by this, finesse it. the pessimists say -- unless the government cracks down on expenditures, unless they cuts loose and reform some states-owned enterprises, it's really going to be problematic. that's the single biggest worry. if i was xi jinping, the debt crisis would be the single greatest worry i would have. >> right. >> did you see zacards this season? >> yes. >> he makes the big deal of the running out of money -- in one of the articles you talk about it's nothing compared to china. we can put up on the screen, you're talking about hundreds of millions of seniors by 2050, what kwoub a-- what would be a quarter of the seniors and hundreds of billions of associated costs for that. how are they going to deal with that? >> to me was one of the most
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interesting pieces in the package. it's become a commonplace for pessimists to say china will grow old before it grows rich. in other words, that because of thing like the one-child policy and the growing number of old people in china, before they get to real riches as a country, they've got to be so old and burdened with an aging population that they're going to be in a spiral they can't get out of. this piece says, you know what that might not be true. one of the bright spots if you're a china optimist was that piece that said they know in problem, it can be -- they have enough money and resources to we'll do it. they can continue to reform their own social security issues. and this might not be the death knell problem that others have said. so i came out of this package thinking that demography was more important. and i came out thinking that the debt -- you know demography was less important than debts. >> and they can do that all without america works. >> did you see ari on "house of cards"? he was on -- >> how could you miss him?
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>> you started the segment saying they don't care who is the prime minister of england. do they care who the president of the united states is? >> yes. this is very interesting. it's not so much that they care who the president is, they care what we do. they are -- hay don't believe we're as benevolent as we think. they assume we're out to contain and dominate them. they wants to claim their rightful place in the world. and the last several decades have been a dramatic exception to a rule in which china was big and strong and dominant. if they see themselves coming back, not rising up to new heights, but simply taking a prominent place to where they used to. they see our attempts to block this or contain this or hem them in. not give them what they see as the rightful due as hostile and aggressive. that's the interesting challenge in foreign policy. and the question is how to manage that. it's not so much that any
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individual -- frankly, the u.s. parties don't disagree dramatically on china policy and foreign policy. but the hawks and doves in each party disagree with each other and keeping things mortally without breaking into to a crisis will be a challenge. >> interesting. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. next an update on the tornadoes tearing through the midwest and the severe weather that could last well into the weekend. later this sunday of course mother's day. i and the "cycle" family are giving thanks as only "the cycle" can.
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developing now, residents from nebraska to oklahoma cleaning up from and also bracing for more severe weather. our chopper was over the damage in hard-hit oklahoma city this morning.
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one woman lost her life, and a dozen others were injured. some of them critically after the storm tore through the southwest part of town. here's what it looked like as it was moving in. and here's how it sounded to be a reporter driving right into it -- >> caller: coming to the ground right now. this is it -- you got to be ready for it. i got trees coming down on me and power flashes. i got to back out of here. >> that is terrifying. it was not just oklahoma. cameras found this funnel cloud forming in byron, nebraska. that's a village of just 83 people. in kansas cars were swerving to avoid flying debris as trees and electric poles were snapped by powerful winds. residents are bracing for rounds two. nbc news reporter jay gray is live in oklahoma city. hard to believe that what is behind you is only after day one of this threat.
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>> reporter: day one of what could be three days. 51 tornadoes. that's how many reported across at least four states. take a look at that motel behind me. you see it ripped apart here. the entire room scattered for blacks. believe it or not, there were people inside at the time. all of them miraculously survived. if you move across the parking lot, we'll go to the debris and rvs in the rv park here. 12 people were injured. two of them critically. there are five people still in the hospital this east coast as a result of injuries from the storm. one woman died a 42-year-old who did everything right it seemed went to the short-term shelter underground, got inside. faernl wasn't sealed, and she drowned there. it's been a rough night obviously. today the clouds are building again. and there's a lot of concern about what could come next. we hear there could be rain today along with more tornadoes,
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and saturday could be the big day that we see just a perfect scenario perfect storm. i know it'sically aeps's cliche. a perfect storm for a tornado across the entire region. a rough go for the next couple of days. >> jay gray thank you very much. please stay safe. a reminder to our friends in the heartland and elsewhere, you can track developments in the severe weather outbreak here on more than and also over at weather.com. we've got you covered. something else that the nation is watching closely, the supreme court poised to take a decisive stand on gay marriage by the end of june. justices heard oral arguments last week, but the fight to get to this point has been years in the making. a new book "speak now: marriage equality on trial" tells the incredible story of how the country's first federal trial on same-sex marriage challenging california's proposition 8 laid the groundwork for where we are today and could serve as a
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blueprint for the high court's decision. with us the author of constitutional law court. thanks for being with us. the supreme court essentially sent it back to the state knocking down the marriage ban in california. but not ruling more broadly for the country. why should we be looking closely at what the federal court did in perry? ? that's right. we should look at it. this was as you said the first federal trial. and so it gave us the highest conversation, the highest level conversation we've ever had in marriage because it was more rigorous, more comprehensive, and it was a human event in a dramatic way that i think made the ultimate case for same-sex marriage. >> you were at the oral arguments at the supreme court last week. one of the interesting things we could hear from the voices of the justices of the discomfort that i think a lot of people at least older americans' voice, which is well even if this might be okay gosh, it seems like a
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brand new thing. people of the same sex getting married. what do you think of the justices' focus? >> i thought it was peculiar because we had supreme court precedent that says tradition alone doesn't isolate statute from constitutional attack. number one. two, when mary benato was asked about how the child-rearing studies were coming out with regard to whether or not gay parents hurt their kids, she said, we've had trials on this. i thought that was a wonderful response. when the individuals have to come to court, raise their hand, and tell the total truth and nothing but the truth, all of the junk science people have been relying on about parenting evaporates. >> you look throughout history, some is something we have evolved quickly on when it comes to marriage equality. the republicans have taken more time trying to evolve on this. something i tell them it's more than just equality under the law. something the party was founded on. this is also about family values. you're someone newly married with two kids. talk about that. how life has changed since you've been married. >> yeah. absolutely. i think many of us around the table here are parents.
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the judged that marriage is not just a right, it's a responsibility right. so it carries not just the right to get married, but if my husband get sick for example i have to take responsibility for that and not have him rely on the state. this is more like something like jury service where the thing is -- has a right to be sure and is parts of your civic citizenship to have that right. but it's also a responsibility. republicans should embrace it for that. >> that's interesting. >> how do these civil rights cases in your view help change public minds? it seems that it has to be more than a politically divisive debate and the great civil rights opinions that you've studied in other areas in the racial area for example, worked by helping people come along and evolve, as well. >> what i find fascinating about the trial is that i think that it's like the lovers of trial in the sense that it was censored, cameras were not allowed even though van macher wanted them.
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because everyone was told they couldn't see it, i think that led to my interest in it justin luns-back's interest in it. and there's no 900,000 youtube views. i think more people have focused on it because they have been told they can't take a look at it. so paradoxically, you know this notion of you can't look at this has led this to be looked at more nationally. and more internationally than i think any trial lawyer could have dreamed of with regard to moving public opinion. >> this is such an important moment. i can't help but look forward to what's next. you write about 29 states where gay people can be lawfully terminated from their job for being gay. even if you're using the right to be marry you can be terminated, lose the way you earn money. you're still not free. and there's still a lot of work to be done. >> right. i'm glad that you raised that. i think what will happen is that marriage will make same-sex couples more visible. imagine coming back from your honeymoon and arriving at work and being told that you're fired
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and having no recourse. i think a lot of this is still to come. the struggle continue. it's not just the nondiscrimination statutes. it's also the religious freedom restoration -- >> such an important note to end on. ken, thank you very much, we appreciate it. >> thanks. up next, a breakthrough documentary like nirvana fans have never seen. inside the mind and the life of kurt cobain with unprecedented hbo access. they got a look at cobain's notebooks and recordings including a previously unheard song. 40% of the streetlights in detroit, at one point, did not work. you had some blocks and you had major thoroughfares and corridors that were just totally pitch black. those things had to change. we wanted to restore our lighting system in the city. you can have the greatest dreams in the world, but unless you can finance those dreams, it doesn't happen. at the time that the bankruptcy filing was done, the public lighting authority had a hard time of finding a bank.
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citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. citi had the strength to help us go to the credit markets and raise the money. it's a brighter day in detroit. people can see better when they're out doing their tasks, young people are moving back in town the kids are feeling safer while they walk to school. and folks are making investments and the community is moving forward. 40% of the lights were out, but they're not out for long.they're coming back.
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i can remember like yesterday when nirvana spells like teen spirit came out and changed american culture. nirvana was the band of its generation, and kurt cobain was a tortured enigmatic, brilliant grunge icon who captivated millions long before he killed himself with a shotgun in 1994. nirvana's music still resonates, and kurt still fascinates which is why so many including me have been eagerly awaiting a new doc about him called "kurt cobain: montage of heck." the first doc made in cooperation with kurt's family and built on kurt's diaries and tapes including one with the same title "montage of heck." people calling this the most intimate doc ever made about kurt cobain.
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>> if anything, rock and roll is going to be heard. >> we were all we had. he was searching for whatever made him feel like he wasn't alone. >> are you getting all this? >> yes! >> kurt cobain -- "kurt cobain: man the gentleman of montage of heck" airs tonight. bret welcome. the doc is giving us kurt in his own voice. you have his audiotapes. who is the person we meet who is different than the man we thought we knew? >> you know kurt was ever? that comfortable doing -- was never that comfortable doing interviews. he was only in the public for about three years. we had a very limited window into kurt. we had his music which obviously has resonated with people all over the world. but after i got the keys to kurt's storage facility and started rummaging through his stuff, it became clear that more than justice musician kurt was an artist. a prolific artist with a capital "a." from the time he could hold a
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toothbrush -- toothbrush? paintbrush in his hand, he was creating. and so he kind of left behind this oral and visual autobiography of his life. you know, i figure the best way for kurt's story to be told is by kurt in the very way that he communicated with all of us through all these years. >> and the doc is fascinating and contains a lot of exciting revelations. one that will be particularly exciting for a lot of cobain and nirvana fans is a previously unheard song. tell us about that. ♪ >> well, there's about -- 80% of this movie is never before seen or rarely seen material and features about 30 minutes of score that's all taken from 200 hours of audio that i unearthed in kurt's storage facility. >> so kurt cobain courtney love they have a daughter frances bean. she was executive produce or this film. and she said that she was
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surprised to hear that they actually had a real love story. she thought it was mainly based off of drugs. let's play a clip of courtney love talking about wanting to have a baby. let's look at that. >> we were all we had. so making a family as fast as possible was, you know, important. >> talk to us about their daughter's role in this film and what impact that had. >> it was huge. you know i've been on this film for about five years trying to get all the rights together before i met francis. so i went to her house to pitch her the movie and when i met her, we were shaking hands and as we were shaking hands, said i just met and i knew you more than i knew my father already. what she meant is she had no memories of kurt. died when he was 20 months old and that was really impactful. so we sat down and i was prepared to tell her what i wanted to do and before i could say anything, she started pitching me her idea of the film. and what she said was, you know, where she goes people think of
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kurt as this sort of santa claus mythical figure, sort of a unicorn. and she said, look whatever we do let's keep it honest. and real. and that's the best tribute we can do for kurt. and it's to her credit that this is probably one of the most honest and raw authorized documentaries i've ever been experienced, or seen. it's authorized meaning we had access and francis just sort of let me go make the film i wanted to make. i showed it to her when she was finished and she said thank you for giving me a couple hours with my father i never thought i would have. >> wow. >> that's intense. you think about a lot of artists who stood the test of time. obviously, some of their work or themes just remain relevant. are arethere things about kurt cobain, his music that would particularly resonate with some of your potential viewers who didn't grow up with him?
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>> this is really a film about family. it's about a boy named kurt. and the closest thing i could think is the movie boyhood that came out last summer we really go through life with kurt from beginning to end. and his life was so well documented. either by his family when he was too young to do it himself or as he got older through his art that, listen there's a reason why kurt resonates with people all over the world. and it's become his message of teenage angst and alienation, it's a passage. when you turn 12 or 13 you kind of turn to kurt. we have several generations going back to the early '90s who have come up with kurt. more than a singer and entertainer, i think a lot of people feel a strong personal connection with him and i think that connection is just going to get deep we are this film. >> i think that's right, brett
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moore morgen. montage of heck airs on hbo. be back with more "cycle" right after this. i accept that i'm not 21. i accept i'm not the sprinter i was back in college. i even accept that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. but i won't accept giving it less than my best. so if i can go for something better than warfarin ...i will. eliquis. eliquis... reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin plus it had less major bleeding than warfarin... eliquis had both. that really mattered to me. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding.
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last week was a real wake-up call. it forced many of us to take a step back and recognize that yes, we have real problems we need to solve. republicans will have their ideas and the democrats will have their own but there was one issue that both sides of the aisle seem to agree on and probably the most sensitive one of all. the importance of a father figure. >> in communities where there are no fathers who can provide
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guidance to young men -- >> it's something we talk about not in the immediate aftermath but over time the breakdown of the family structure, the lack of fathers, the lack of sort of a moral code in our society. >> and they're right. there are more families than ever before without some sort of father figure. one in four kids today under the age of 1 are raised without a dad. that's about 17.4 million kids. this has become the new norm for so many families and while i agree focusing on a father's role is a huge part of the conversation, let's also recognize there's a flip side to this as well. that moms in many of these cases are not only the breadwinner for the kids the role model, the friend, and the person the child looks up to. they teach to be respectful and honest, what it means to love and find a passion and a purpose in life. in case you couldn't tell, i'm totally a daddy's girl. played a huge role in the person i am today.
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but i'm also confident i would have turned out fine if i was raised only by my mom. probably didn't realize it half the time but the woman i wanted to be one day. i remember sneaking into her make-up cabinet, when she was not around trying to look just like her. anyone who met my mom will tell you just how beautiful she is but it's not just her outer beauty. what i love most about her is her heart. her ability to make anyone feel like they are someone special. as a young girl she would tell me what matters most in life is thinking about other people and finding a way to make them smile. abbi, what did you do to make someone else's day a little better? that stuck with me. i will never be but i wish every kid in the world had a mom like mine because we all deserve a role model, someone to look up to and be like. with mother's day coming up, i am reminded how lucky i am to have her in my life and i know i'm not the only one who feels
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that way. cycle team had a few words with their moms. >> obviously my mom is my role model. literally a force of nature. >> she's always taught us to love our siblings to love our family. >> my mom always made us feel like anything was possible. >> and now, she is truly the foundation for everything that i know and believe in my life and she's the greatest woman i know. >> she was my mother my father. >> she taught me to love laugh, live life to the fullest and never be afraid to stand up for myself. >> so to my mom and all moms thank you for what you do. a great day with alex wagner starts right now. brady's suspension growing louder. chris christie is in new hampshire with penn and donald trump in the polls and mitch mcconnell bucks members of his
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own party again. federal appeals report of the nsa conducting illegal activities. it is thursday, may 7th. and this is "now." a federal appeals court in new york today ruled that the nsa's bulk collection of millions of americans phone records is illegal. in a stunning 97 page opinion, judge gerard lynch described the program as unprecedented and un unwarranted. according to the new york times, the first time in the regular judicial system ever reviewed the program. since 2006, it has been repeatedly approved in secret by a national security court. the case brought by the american civil liberties union. aclu. the bulk collection of telephone met data first disclosed by former nsa contractor edward snowden. today's ruling which was unanimous, comes as congress debates to end, replace, or perhaps