olitics of mother hood. and the magical power of black girls' hair. first, the making of oh aa modern movement. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. donde johnson, sr. jeffrey alston. for many of you this may be the first time you have heard of them. the mention of their names didn't elicit thoughts or ideas. you can't summon an image of their faces or details of their lives. but if i said the name to you that's different -- fred die gray, your neurons are firing making connections in your mind between the name of this man and all his name has come to signify. now you are thinking about the image of a young man in a red t-shirt squinting slightly against the sun shining on his face. now you are thinking about police violence. now you are thinking about the worth of black lives.

now you're thinking about baltimore, cleveland, staten island and other names like mike brown, eric garner tamir rice. all sparked by the mention of that one. the south americas that led to the end of freddie gray's life are the same as those that forever changed the lives of those we don't know. donde johnson, sr., was paralyzed following a 2005 police van ride and later died of pneumonia caused by his paralysis. his family won a $7.4 million verdict against the police. in 2004 a jury awarded sw jeffrey alston 39 million dollars after he emerged from a police van paralyzed from the neck down. all three are african-american men seriously injured after a ride in the back of a baltimore police wagon and their lives have inherent value. the difference in the layers of meaning and understanding triggered when we hear the name

freddie gray our immediate response to the question pose bid william shakespeare, "what's in a name," what's the difference a movement makes. the movement that the new york times magazine reck -- recognized as the most important move maniment to date. certainly the ferguson police department drew scrutiny with its militarized response to the community reacting to the death of mike brown. there is no question that the cell phones enabled with cameras and individual citizens willing to record the police have ex posed the nation's police practices that were common place in some communities for years. our recognition of the names of the dead as a call that demands a response that the police who protect us aren't immune from committing injustices against us the expectation that our government bears some responsibility for finding a solution to a problem it has been complicit in causing, all

of that is the result of the sustained focused and organized work of a movement that over the last two years has been propelled by youth driven grassroots activism young people who amplify anger, outrange ajtd frustration into a campaign for social justicement we can see some of the dna of the definitive freedom struggle of the previous centuriment radicalized young people played essential roles in the civil rights movement's most pivotal campaigns. the movement to end police violence has borrowed at least one page them. both used video images to highlight the vulnerability of black bodies and expose injustices against black lives. this modern day movement is separate and apart from what came before. it took weeks of planning to engineer the moment on the ed

monday pettis bridge and took tv broadcasts to bring the protest to national attention. today's activists send their own images of police aggression toward peaceful protesters to hundreds of thousands of computers, cell phones and tablet screens. with the push of a button. twitter and text are their tools for organizing and communicating about protest action on the ground as it happens. unlike icons who emerge as the face and voice of the movement for civil rights, the young people calling for an end to police violence are a leaderless movement the in which many voices are raised as one. it's what the new york types called a communal ex presentation of pent up anguish spilling onto the streets. this week the magazine profiled two of the people who, while they reject the title of leaders, are recognized ascii organizerers and chroniclers of the movement. a st. louis native began protesting this ferguson the day

michael brown was killed. using social media to give an account of what she witness withed. daray keszen traveleded to ferguson from minneapolis and was teargassed by police while participating in a peaceful protest. the nature of the protest movement means its stewardship rests on the hands of protesters. . names like alicia garza, patrice. they gave the movement a rally rallying cry when they said black lives matter. shar lean caruthers, using nonvlts direct action. philip agnew and the dream defender who is launched a protest against police violence organized against florida's stand your ground law after the shooting death of trayvon

martin. all joined by people around the country whose names we may not know but whose work we can see. federal investigations into police departments in two city where is the movement focused its protests against police violence. increased transparency when police are conducting use of oh force investigations after a citizen has died at the hands of an officer. criminal charges brought against six officers involved in the death of oh freddie gray. an fbi director ak fojing tensions between law enforcement and the communities today police. all of the this in the wake of and in response to a movement that made it possible for us to see the names of lives lost without considering their claim that those looifsives matter. joining me now, one of the fames profiled in the pagz whose cofounder of oh we the protesters.org. nice to have you. >> nice to be here. >> you are on the phone as we are speaking in part because clearly part of what you all do

as organizers, chroniclerers is walk many of us not there in the streets with you through what's happening. how important is that technology to the work you're doing? >> it's huge. we have always faced issues as people of color. eitherer our oh stories haven't been told or oh they have been told by oerve than us. twitter allows us to tell our stories real are time. missouri would have with convinced you we didn't exist if it had not been for twitter. we can come together push back in ways that were powerful. we can continue to tell our own stories. >> talk to me about the idea that this is a movement. i think for more than 50 years or oh at least 50 years there's been an unwillingness to describe social action and unrest as a movement because it wants to keep sacred a particular narrative of a movement that exists in the 1960s. when you see the news that's fit to print, new york times

declaring this a movement with a does it mean? >> what's hard for people is the origin story, the beginning is so different. this started because people came outside their houses and said though more. there was no martin malcolm. it is people who made this happen. today is the 275th day of protest and the the movement is growing, continuing. what's interesting is people across the country, across race can have a conversation about what's happening in race and policing in ways that never happened br before. >> it's interesting. i wonder if that's -- the distinction you made. i wonder if it's as much lack of understanding of what happened in the civil rights movement which was made by the people and all the organize zaegss coming later. one of my favorite stories is you bringing up diane nash.

the idea of you saying to her twitter is the move pt. what do you mean when you say that to diane nash? >> she's great. she said to the movement, you have to do it your way. she never would have taken those risks with the freedom rides. we can just come together differently. so we can spread a message quicker than they could back then. that's what we talk about when we say twitter is a movement. at the heart of revolution is a well told story. for the first time as people of color we can own the way we tell the story. >> for some people the idea of being a movement organizer what does it mean? you were working a job that was an identifiable job that people -- oh you're in the schools. you're a school administrator, a teacher. they are good jobs.

>> i got in a car, drove to stlusst. louis. put on facebook i was going. i will never forget getting teargassed. this is not what i thought america was. when i made the decision to quit on oh march 6 it was a thing like all this cool work finding teachers developing human capital systems. you have to be alive to learn. i never felt more covered. this is about empowering in ways that are new. >> what hases the move maniment -- it's not done. maybe in some ways it's getting started. what's been achieved? >>in the beginning it was about confronting and disrupting. a notion that you can push back

on the state in a way that's meaningful that you can confront a state that's hurting people. people are coming together in unpress i didn'ted ways. there are people forming around political power. we are transitioning to capacity building where people understand the work and issues better. i mean people broadly. like mid schoolerers. high schoolers. people that don'ter consider themselves activists. not just somebody in an office that can effect change. it's people in the street that can disrupt in powerful ways. >> i want to pause for a second. is that a truly expansive definition of blackness where blackness stands thisser for social marginality, rejection, being unequal or a narrow definition of blackness? i want to know for whom this

movement is. only for people who would self-identify as african-american? or is it a movement in which blackness is defined as all people in conflict with the state? >> we believe once we achieve prix dom or oh lib are radiation from black people everybody winsment the movement is for efb. the social justice, in equityequity, everybody wins. there is an understanding that people of color are impacteded this destructive ways. it is about black people. we are not afraid to say black lives matter. we are not affirming our lives. we are exposing the depth of evil we face in the context of white supremacy. >> you are going to join me again at the top of the ethics hour. i appreciate speaking with you here. the movement will continue when we come back. where do you get this kind of confidence? at your ford dealer... that's where!

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this morning we are talking about the national protest movement against police violence. joing the table is jay king who recently profiled leading voices of the movement for the new york times. tara are conley from race forward. the political reporter for the washington post and pikele skolnick of global grind.com and political director for russell simmons. jay, the title of the piece -- "our demand is simple, stop the killing us." i wonder about the notion that it's a simple demand. your piece actually complicates the idea. i wonder about the idea that death at the hands of the police is the center movement versus another set of demands.

>> when i spoke to dre or nettaer or other people in the movement over the time i spent reporting the piece it would boil down to that demand which is that body cameras, civilian review boards all that stuff happens after somebody is dead. fund meancally you have to address the oop fact that somebody is dead. that was a center piece of what people were doing. while people are working toward other solutions, policy solutions and other demands people within the hovment want that addressed first. there was an emotional grief that comes out of the deaths that needs to be amplified, talked about before you start talking about whatever the solution might be to this. >> part of what i love about your piece and what i have seen to be valuable in the work you have been up to is respect for

the young people in the movement. i think respect that both counters some of how journalists covered movements as recent as occupy. and as distant as the civil rights movement itself. i wonder whether or not you initially approach these movements with a sense of respect for them or whether or not the it is in fact learning in the craft that you come to respect these activists. >> it's a combination of things. i think many of oh us -- for example, many of us who arrived in ferguson when dr are e arrived and netta, the same first days following michael brown's death. a communal space and a communal understanding that was very different than for example, myself as a reporter versus my editor in d.c.

that's where there's been a lot of skepticism what are they doing. i remember when i would be back in d.c. in staff meetings versus on the ground with the press corps covering this in real time. we could see these things. we had relationships. we could see the legitimacy at least of the feeling and anger of the power of the people. when you are just watching a burning building on tv for nine hours you don't necessarily see and understand. >> the complexity. >> that's the difference between the media at large and those of oh us who are actually there. >> michael, we have the new york times declaring it's a movement which is fascinating to me. in part because whatever we know about movements, there is always a lot going on oh underneath for years. often failures defeats before the thing that we are willing to define as a movement emerges.

i think about following on twitter. there was a point at which i would wake up every morning and look at your twitterer feed to see who died that week. i'm interested in the work feeding into this even if it was a little bit below the surface. >> as daray has said there is a place for everyone in the movement. we look back and king was in his young 30s in the march on washington. john lewis was in his young 20s. these were young people. jay's piece was, to me so important to put a flag and say, listen to these young folks. they are telling the stories of the movement. netta and deray are telling about the black lives matter that founded the hashtag and movement. also for the new york times to put walter scott on the cover. and wesley i'm a huge fan.

he's journalist with integrity and rmt for the movement. he's fair and honest and tells it the way he sees it. sometimes we don't like it but it's told in a fair and honest way. i was watching deray. he had his phone in his hand. >> two phones. >> because he's the story teller. you can't miss it. in this day and age we go to the folkses on the ground in baltimore having a huge rally to hear first hand. sometimes the media has been in the way. we want first hand information and deray and netta and others have been in that process spp i was asking what the movement accomplished. we looked at interesting data. if you look back at december of 2014 a po asked are african-american deaths cause bid police isolated incidents. 51% said they are isolated incidents p. in march of 2014 we

asked the same percentage and it was down to 39%. it's more dramatic with white folks. 60% of white americans in december saying they are isolated incidents. by march of 2015 it's down to 45%. a minority saying they are isolated incidents which means a majority see it as a pattern. it accomplished changing the belief this was a one-off versus a pattern of oh action. >> what we are seeing now with twitter and we can document is it toir stories, see them in real time and witness what's happening on ground. one of the things i appreciate is they can be in different places at different times. they can be on the ground and on

twitter. they are doing constant work. it is not trifl yal. what we do on twitter, with hashtags, with the movement is incredibly important. it takes a certain capacity. it is wonderful to see how these young people are using the platforms in ways that are innovative. >> they are also just young people. occasionally you look for activism and people are just turned up at the club. >> it's part of it. >> up next i want to ask my panel what their role as reporters is. we'll get down more to the reporting question. sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler.

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motto differ from color lines.com which displays the slogan news for action. global grind.com with focus on music and pop culture report differently from the washington post and how do reporters report when they have a vested interest in the movement they are covering or what if they are part of the story themselves which was the case for wes loware ry of the washington post. back in august of 2014 he was arrested while working out of a local mcdonald's covering the unrest in ferguson. you became part of the story which is what journalists are never supposed to be. >> of course oh. >> eida b. wells is the foundational activist journalist. >> there is a fund mental arrogance and misplaced priority with this idea that 2,000 journal is will show up at a small suburb in st. louis and it will in no way affect the story. that doesn't make sense. when half the protest breaks off

to take selfies with anderson cooper i think he's in it. so this idea of the national press corps showing up in ferguson and it would not impact anything was ridiculous. to go to the question from the beginning what is our role in covering this? it's to seek the truth. sometimes as journalists we are referees. people forget they call balls and strikes. sometimes one team isn't happy about the call. that's our role our job. to seek the truth, ask hard questions but also the to stand up to institutions. you have citizens asking questions of their government of the police about what happened in this killing, in this shooting. i think it's our role to ask the hard questions. the question we need to be asking isn't did michael brown have a juvenile recordment. it's why is michael brown dead in the street?

that's disconnected from his record. >> whether or not this the work we are doing if you are an activist/journalist, if you then forget to ask questions. i'm thinking about the rolling stone uva piece where the rules of sexual assault activism at the core oh begin with believe the person who is telling the story. but the rule of oh journalism is skepticism about whoever is telling you a story. i wonder about challenges of being the activist journalist. anybody? >> from our part we took the approach from early on from five years ago to do articles bringing dig think ti to those who were killed not just by police but each other as well. we took the idea that do we believe what the media is telling us and can we force the national media to have conversations they weren't having? it's a great credit. you have been at the forefront from the beginning.

>> i ain't a journalist. i have a different set of rules. >> speaking truth and power and giving people a voice to have access. for us which was constantly tighting a main stream media machine that wanted to hide the issues and push them to the limit to discuss these things. >> you are the main stream media machine in important ways. the new yorker and the "new york times." these are legacy pieces loik the washington post is. i wonder if there are different rule ares if you see your role in this context different. >> i think so. i'm not an activist. i'm agnostic about most of the issues when i go in. most journalists, i think the default is to be skeptical toward most movements. there are a lot of movements that manipulate the press, that will not tell you what you as a reporter are supposed to do which is the entire truth.

i also think it's misguided. what wesley was saying toward this is traditionally as a reporter you want to -- the idea that you would triangulate yourself between one side of the story and the other side and somehow find yourself in the middle. i don't think that works in this case. the sides are so far apart. like you said hike brown is actually dead in the street and you have to follow that story. it can't be like on this one side the police unions say this this and the activists say this so let's find somewhere in the middle that's objective. that's are reallydestructive. skepticism comes first and the more time you spend you figure out where you are. >> we have talked about the relationship between activists the movement and journalists. the other piece is the piece that's the government. if you are a department of justice. if you are the obama administration, if you are the mayor of ferguson you also have

are interested in manipulating the -- >> sure. >> influencing, making sure you have the right -- >> sure. >> i wonderer about the ways in which press has to be careful not to be played by those institutions and concern around the movement. >> those are important questions to ask. it's important for us to continue to push back. any time we have the opportunity to push back whether it is a government or main stream media, this is part of what the activist movement doesment i want to make note that one of the things we are seeing with social media is citizen journalists doing the work and pushing some of the main stream journalists to think differently about how we tell stories from a systemic analysis when we talk about race. we are not talking about it based on an individual level like are you racist? i'm not. these personal prejudice questions. one of the things i like to study is ways in which young people are doing citizen journalism work and pushing against these institutions so entrenched this this country.

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financial responsibility. i will pay to raise the child, put them through college. i can give them a wonderful life. the girls will be raised knowing they have a father who foughter for them and they will be loved so much. >> sofia vergara aperiod on kwoez good morning timing is suspect. >> i don't want to allow this person to taker more advantage of my career and try to promote himself, get press. this shouldn't be out there for people to give their opinion when there is nothing to talk about. >> one thing bound to come up during the scheduled court hearing scheduled for later this month, the couple signed a contract saying both parties had to consent to bringing both embryos to term. the case underscores challenges facing real life modern families who rewill lie on science and assisted re productiveproductive technology. contracts fall into the complicated web of state

legislation with no national con century sus. the united states is one of the few krois without federal laus on gestation fall surrogacy. 17 states have laws granting prebirth orders throughout the state. and in five states they are unenforceable. it's more complicated. each state's laws vary greatly, some with different conditions with same-sex couples. in a dozen states there is a void meaning no law exists. this is one of the most comprehensive maps we could find and it was created by creative family connections a law firm that matches surrogates with intended parents. while the practice is gaining this popularity it is unregulated. as the complicated landscape of reproduction expands where you live could affect how you make your family. after the break would regulation be an improvement?

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as a mother from her perspective you wouln't want children walking around because you would say who is our mom? oh the lady on ohtelevision. doesn't it put her in a position where she has to agree in some sense? >> i have left it open to her. if she wants to be involved doesn't want to be involved either is okay with me. i want them to have the best lives possible. whatever makes everybody happier. but there is nothing i want to do more than bring these children to life. they are already alive, on a your think to being born. >> the legal battle between sofia vergara and her ex-fiance over their frozen embryos complicates the idea of who has a say in making a family. joining the table dr. robert klitzman, director of the

masters of bioethics program at columbia university and author of "the ethics police the struggle to make human research safe" and a reproductive rights attorney. and danielle moody mills contributor to msnbc blk and co-host of politini. still with us michael skolnik of global grind.com. is there ethics to family-making, rules we can use for the complicated world we live in to say these are ethical practices and these aren't? >> there are as a matter of fact. we have certain legal practices so there are contracts people do and should sign to lay out the possibilities of who's in charge, who will have are right ares and responsibilities to the child. there are ethical issues as well that the technology has add a vanced way ahead of our ability to understand the ethical and legal issues involve involve d.

these are cultural practices. childbirth has been around since human beings have been around. different cultures have different attitudes and moral beliefs and technology is creating new kinds of possibilities that we have to figure out for the first time. >> at the core of any set of ethical claims around family making should be consent. that we would want in an ethical context of any family-making for all parties involved to be consenting. and yet we recognize that in the nontechnological version are of this we don't necessarily require consent. if a woman is pregnant we absolutely see it as her right to bring a pregnancy to term. even if the man doesn't consent. i wonder if part of what happened in this context is that it's shifting our gender norms and making us rethink that idea. >> we have to think about who has the right to these embryos. they signed a contract.

contractually it says neither one of them are able to use thisment i listen to him saying if she doesn't want to be involved she has already said she does not want to have children with you. forcing that situation to happen i worry. if a court decides to say, yes, he has the right to the embryos and you are now going to have however many kids walking around in this universe that you have claim to or that have claim to you, what kind of family structure is that? >> isn't that -- we would never want a man to say i don't want to be a parent to those children, you must terminate a pregnancy. >> there is no preg arenancy now. his justification is the life process has begun which is a bigger conversation about conception and when conception begins. we have been litigating that for centuries it feels like. it hasn't been but it feels that way. the idea that she's said no when we were together we were going to plan to have a family together.

we are no longer together. she's engaged to somebody else. she will want maybe to start a family with somebody else. to put her in that precarious situation because you decided the contract you signed is no longer valid, that's the point of a contract. spp it's interesting to hear danielle talk about the contract language. when we look at the map of laws governing assisted reproductive technologies a variety of kinds, so whether it's surrogacy or the question of what happens to embryos and ethical and responsible disposal or adoption. these are huge questions. i wonder does the patchwork of laws make it harder? would we have a preference for a national framework for this ? >> we might have a preference but that would be really hard to do. because of states' rights and the ethical rules in each state are different. like you find the dakotas are are strict about having are abortions. you are much more liberal on the

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last month a judge ruled sherry shepherd was the legal mother of an 8 month old. before they divorced they decided to have a baby with sally's egg and a sperm donor. but shepherd asked to be relieved of her parent tall rights and responsibilities. the ruling makes her financially responsible for the baby. in 2014 a surrogacy lawyer said there were 35 cases in which the

surrogate changed her mind with 24 being surrogates who provided the egg. er for me this was probably the most surprising part of my family's journey through surrogacy. because of the baby m case initially there is a sense of the vulnerability on the side of the intended parents who somehow the gestational surrogate will keep the baby. in fact, discovering and had lots of text messages with my daughter's surrogate there is a great deal of vulnerability for the surrogate that she may somehow end up having a rear a child and that wasn't her expectation. >> absolutely. . we need more laws. people think the laws arer for the benefit of the rich intended parents who will rip the baby from this woman's womb and never talk to her again and not be nice to her, treat her like a cow when that's not the case. most intended parents are so thankful. we need more women willing to be

carriers all the time. 50% of the united states gets divorced. what's the chance? i have had not a single gestational carrier ever try to keep the baby. we have done over 2500. we have had plenty of intend ed parents get ss get divorced and then sometime it is intended mother says, it's not my egg. i don't want the baby. the carrier doesn't want your baby. she can have her own baby. it's not hers. she goes in has a psych eval. she wants to know the intended parent wills take the baby not stick her with the medical bills and a child. >> my experience is again for us our daughter's surrogate was one who wants to give life in a way that is a happy and joyous and connected family. we have been texting a lot and she kept saying this is so sad.

i even feel it with the sofia vergara case. there is a sadness here. we want family making to be joyous and consensual. >> i don't feel we can talking about the children. i feel like in these conversations and the shepherd case in particular it's about her ex-husband. about their messy divorce. what about the child? this little boy has a mother that was told by the courts is now your mother but she wants nothing to do with this child. she wants nothing to do with him. i don't know if laws can protect that. if laws can actually protect that change of heart. that 50% of people get divorced and this may happen. i don't know where we go with that. >> the problem is only the has given us wonderful possibilities the for people not able to have children now to now have children. the problem is there areth call responsibilities that come with that and the fear is people will

enter into it lightly saying sure, i will sign a piece of paper. it can be your sperm, someone else's egg and if i will borrow your car for the afternoon. it needs to to be clear that even though it's simple technologically there are still more responsibilities involved in raising a kid. people need to think about these things carefully. like teenagers have having sex and not thinking a kid may come about as a result. >> so much less fun. not my experience of having eggs harvested wasn't at all like teenagers having sex. >> i come in as a new father and our oh child is 2. it is mother's day. to the mother of my child, i love her dearly and i also think to sofia vergara she has a grown child. she's an incredible mother. nick lobe it's bullying. it's bullying a woman you are trying to get revenge because maybe she broke up with you, maybe you're not together anymore.

it's sad to trivialize these things. i had a dear friend who had a child through surrogacy. it's a beautiful process. so many people want oh to have children and use the process to have a child. for nick lobe to use this publically is terribly sad. also it speaks to the hollyweirdness of watching people in hollywood and playing to the store owe type. i give her tremendous credit to handle this process and wish her a happy mother's day. she's a good woman. >> we didn't scratch the surface. there are so many ethical questions that exist here. questions about commerce and money and it is a deeply complicateded set of questions. so i thank you for the work you're doing. i hope we'll have opportunities to talk more about this. i also want to say thank you to dr. robert klitzman danielle moody-mills. i will say happy mother's day to the woman who carried my lovely

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valedictorian to speak. having conferred diplomas she was having trouble convincing graduates to stay for another speech. that's when this happened. >> you people are being so rude to not listen to this speech. it was my fault that we misseded it in the program. look who's leaving. all the black people. >> that happened fast. just in case you haven't seen the video and if you aren't clear. she was saying it was her fault the young man didn't have the opportunity to give her speech. then she said look who's leaving -- all the black people. in a statement provided to nbc news she said she was frustrated due to a previous disruption at the graduation ceremony. her statement read hs in part i sincerely apologize to all the persons in attention dance at the ceremony for the actions of the few causing the disturbance

and for my emotional uncalled generalization of the black persons this in attendance. i deeply apologize for my actions head in the emotional state of trying to let this student finish his speech. this week the new york times and cbs news released a poll that asked whether or not interactions between people of different races are generally good or bad. 62% of white americans said interactions between the races are bad. 65% of african-americans agreed. when asked if things improved or worsened respondents gave negative answers with people saying things have gotten worse and 37% saying they really haven't seen a change. we cannot be certain just what americans are assessing when they indicate that interactions between people of different races are are generally bad. it's reasonable to believe recent video of eric garner repeatedly pleading he cannot breathe while emts failed to respond and immanages of

protesters facing against riot gear clad police clashing with two testerers in the streets of ferguson and a el chill hg vid yoef a police officer shooting unarmed walterer scoot in the back as he flees and stunning pictures of patrol cars and flames in the streets of baltimore may contribute to the sense that all is not well between the races. add to that a video of oh college kids singing racist chants and a historic confirmation subjected to a historic delayment you can see why optimism may not be in order. which brings me back to a small suburb outside of atlanta. the latest online viral video isn't of an unarmed black man dying at the hand of oh police of anybody using the n-word but it captured the absurd almost comeleical -- if it weren't so

painful. the moment didn't go unnoticed. it was cap you are churd on video, shared on social media and crashed school's website yesterday afternoon. well now we are here talking about it. joining me now from the university of massachusetts am burst, deray mckesson, founder of we the protesters dork. founder of nba across america and michael skolnik. let's be honest. this video happened to appear on this tv show because my executive producerer follows you on twitter. there it is. exactly the thing we talked about an hour ago about the power of social media to set a media agenda. >> the thing is we are is he deuced to believe the laws need to change but it's attitudes and beliefs. we saw how easily she said it how casually she said it.

that's what we need to fight in a different way as well. >> that's interesting. i want to ask whether or not we care. we capture the video of her saying not even the n-word. just there go the black people. we see the response of black folks to that context. why should we care about what one individual living basically in georgia where the ku klux klan was refounded. why should we care? >> poor nancy. bless her heart. she's really not worth our time. she represents more than anything severe incompetence right? >> let me say we don't know. maybe, maybe not. >> incompetence because let's back up the tape a bit. the principal of a school forget s to let the valedictorian speak. >> right. >> i'm optimistic in general. we don't need a poll to tell us race relations are bad in the country. they have always been bad. the optimism for me comes

partially from the case that my grandmother's grandfather was born a slave in texas and i'm here with you. the arc is long and it bends because of the efforts of people willing to put their lives on the line. the problems with a person like nancy is it shows the myth of the idea that our kids can't be educated unless they have integrated schools and tokes like nancy giving them opportunities but they are not. how do we bend the arc of justice for young black people? it has to be in a case where a school like mine there are more s.a.t. courses than drug searches. that's not the case. that's the problem that nancy represents. >> the double things you're doing here. i want to say we did invite her on the show. we didn't receive a response in part because i think all i know is that i agree with every part of the assessment. i want to acknowledge that i don't know everything about her. you have raised the questions

which is when i look at the fact that this is a small town 10,000, 11,000 people. she is a school founder and think why found a school? what kind of school is this? it raises for me a set of structural questions. the questions i want to ask are whether or not there is an embedded educational injustice happening beneath whether or not this particular school leader says what she says in this moment. >> absolutely. this kind of video demonstrates the need to reconceptualize policing is not just a matter of the formal criminal justice system but people in institutional power and a range of contexts who participate this the surveillance of racialized populations. the other striking thing about the video is the reason she was asking everyone to sit down is because an african-american man had an ipad up front and was taking video of the commencement ceremony. to see this woman call for security to reare move this african-american man from the commencement ceremony shows how

policing isn't just a situation where it is a relationship between police and suspects but in fact involves broader publics, racial anxiety and the way they call for police to participate. >> i want to point it outer for the audience if they haven't seen the longer video. when talking about the disruption earlier, apparently it's a parent or somebody at the graduation taking a video. she calls for security. they are graduating in a church. you see a security officer come up the aisle of the church during graduation. the idea that police ought to be present in a moment like that gives you a feeling that we do not have all the answers. my bet is we'll get a lot of them over the next couple of days as people start digging in. yet it belies a reality that i experienced as somebody who grew up this the south, lives in the south. in the '70s if you said interactions between the races, are they bad? actually, people actually using the n-word and the n-word lover

to my white mother and me in grocery store parking lots versus my day to day experiences now, some of which are about my position of privilege. i guess i want to acknowledge that the one on one interactions can be better at the same time the structural interactions can be bad or worsening. >> we are at a remarkable time in this nation. a time no one has seen before. it's not just a change in power but a change in demographics. unlike the 60s now the next 30 to 40 years white people will be the minority. we see white people in this country. they are kicking and some of them -- not all of them are kicking and screaming because they realize the gig is up. >> aren't also a lot of them standing next to you in protest? >> absolutely. as the white guy, the optimism as to my white privilege i have optimism that we'll get there.

there is no one with a boot on my neck. i see young people of color, young lgbt community, undocumented people, there. we have to be accomplices. we have to march and get arrest ed. if they say show up we have to show up not just tweet about it. that's what white allyship is. be an accomplice not just an ally. >> it's in subtle ways. i don't want people seduced by the extreme racism. that was a problem. as a white woman exercising her power, like that matter this is the space. >> part of how we know is because of how they react. the audience in that moment, we have to honor that that reaction doesn't require the n-word. >> they are no longer individual people. they were the black people. it functions in a way that matters. >> deray, you can come hang out

any time. the rest of the panel is sticking around. up next, the question we put to people on the street about race and the fascinating answers we got back. >> i think we have fallen behind in our fight for equality. >> i feel it's finally becoming part of the conversation for the generation. that's a good thing. >> there isn't a lot of action. it's harder to put into action what we say. >> everything is under the surface. you scratch and see we are fighting the same demons we were 20, 30, 40 years ago.

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last week the new york times and cbs released a poll showing public perceptions of race relations have grown negative in

the aftermath of a death of a young man injured while in police custody in baltimore, referring to 25-year-old freddie gray. i sent producers into the field to ask people about their perception of race in america. specifically one question of my own. >> how has race in america changed in the past two years? >> how has race in america changed in the past two years? >> how has race changed in america over the past two years? >> it's gotten worse. that's what i would say. >> people are being confronted with the reality of racial tensions and oh presentation in the united states. >> race if america hasn't changed as much as people think it has. that's really definitely brought up to light by the protests in baltimore and a couple of oh other incidents. >> i think we were maybe a little bit asleep in certain part ps of the country after 2008 with the election of president obama that we were maybe in a post racial society. we are not. >> sometimes we try to ignore the fact that people are of a

certain race or oh things like that. just to feel like you're color blind or something. >> you don't often see a public person stepping in to defend a black person. and vice versa. >> i would say that social media has started to call more racism out. >> all the things happening -- trayvon martin ferguson -- it's more an explosion of people's thoughts that are already there. >> we are fighting the same demons we were 20 30 40 years ago. >> our leadership has not stepped up and been out front in leading the fight. >> i don't believe there is a solution to the situations that have happened lately. >> i think we have fallen behind in your fight for equality. >> there isn't a lot of action. it's much harder to put into action what we say. i think we are going in a good direction. people need to push harder no matter the opposition. >> i think other races -- as

black people have. are now becoming more aware of issues we have known decades ago. >> back at the table now, tara conley, social media manager of race forward. i wanted to ask you if the context of race forward you have been talking about rules for interracial conversations, trying to figure out how we do have meaningful productive moving forward discourse. can you share that? >> absolutely. we produce the moving the race conversation report. basically we looked at thus media. we found 66% of the coverage is not systemically aware of issues on race. we talk about how we talk about race in these contexts. we think about ways in which we use coded language -- thug. the ways in which media has talked about the spectacle of media without thinking about history. thinking about what happens before and after the burning cvs

building. thinking about the sociopolitical issues cultural issues, economic issues education. things that are surrounding the spectacle we see in the media. part of the report is doing its service and having us step back and say this is not about individual level of racism. this is about systemic issues we really have are to talk about in order to again, move the race conversation forward in this day and age. >> every time i hear the race conversation part of me thinks yeah. i'm a college professor. i have a mic, a pen and the ability to talk. part of me thinks, oh, god are we going to talk about it again? where does conversation fit within a broader racial justice framework? >> i think conversation is a profoundly informal way of framing broaderer issues. it's worresome that if we would

converse things would be transformed. >> i want to talk. i don't want to lose that. >> it's interesting to watch people in the interviews grapple with understanding of racial progress. this idea that things are always or should be getting better. because people are paying attention today doesn't mean pay attention next week, next month or oh next year. race comes into and out of focus. >> the idea. you talked about the arc of history which the president likes to use bending toward justice. i always think of it more as a spiralment it doubles back on itself. it can be improving. my father used to say to me regularly, who are you to think you can live during the part of the movement that's winning. you might be living during the part that's losing. you can't be sure. you have to stay in the struggle. >> it's fascinating that you bring it up. all these layers of history, truth, mistruth and trauma.

the idea of race relations is a misnomer. human relations in this country are deeply troubling. in my time i spent most of my time driving across the country. when i say relations are terrible, we don't know each other. it's maya angelou to say have the courage to look into your brother or sister's face and say good morning. i think about detroit. i go to detroit. we got there the week bf the city went bankrupt. there was a counterer narrative about the city that said entrepreneurship would save them. we went to see the entrepreneurs and they were beautiful, young white guys in hoodies making mobile apps. i said detroit is 700,000 people 82% black, 40% below the legal poverty line. you can't tell me that mobile

apps are going to save us. >> or that it's all that counts. >> exactly. >> i don't know anybodier more entrepreneurial than regular black folk. let it rain and see if they don't come out with a cart with umbrellas selling stuff. regular folks. >> 1865 we were all sbrurs entrepreneurs. think about that. >> wait a minute. you took me back to liberation day. i have to pause. you can't just take a sister back and be like think about that. i need a commercial to think about it. when i come back i want to talk to you about the perception gulf the way we see things differently through the lens of race when we come back.

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found not guilty of murder in 1995. a abc news asked if it was the right verdictment 81% of african-americans gleed while only 37% of white americans agreed. in 2005 when new orleans was the devastated after hurricane crane. pew found 66% of african-americans believed the government would have responded more quickly if the victims were white. 71% of african-americans believed racial inkwael ti was a problem and fewer than 32% of white americans believed. there were similar numbers last week in the poll about the unrest in baltimore following the death of freddie gray from injuries sustained in police custody. 66% of black respondents said it was frustration over police

mistreatment of black americans, 58% of white americans believed it was an excuse to engage in looting and violence. there is one thing on which we agree. race is in a bad place and likely to get worse. not only do a majority believe interactions between the races is bad but 96% also expect to see more unrest this summer. so i am constantly in this position trying to figure out what we do when we are looking at the same thing. race is not a biological reality. the thing that it becomes, the glasses we put on. i put on my glasses and we see something different. we see the verdict differently. we stee protestee the protest differently. >> white people will say, i understand. we will never understand. just like i will never understand what it is to be a woman in a parking lot late at night with a can of mace on her keys. we'll never understand the struggle of black people in this

country. we can see sai we respect the th struggle. oh, you just want to loot get sneakers out of a store or liquor out of a store. i'm thinking how we measure progress in the next 10 20, 30 years and so much of the conversation is around the poverty line and getting middle class jobs. what about disparity between wealth, between black and white? if we look at that as a social indicator of progress home ownership, who lost the majority of oh wealth in the 2008 recession was black people. >> black women in particular. >> we have 120,000 dollar white family wealth compared to 5,000 per black family. we say get out of poverty. but if you close the gap like equality and equity. it's not just about equal rights. it's about equity. close the gap over the next 20 30, 40 years now our work is worth it. if the gap remains and black folks stay in the social condition they are today, i'm not sure how much progress we have made. >> so that gap you're talking

about that's measurable that we can think of as something we can determine whether or not progress -- i also don't want to miss that at the same time this perception gap may be part of our understanding around progress. that very idea of oh you just want to loot or the way you see things, i wonder if -- so -- i am challenged by the idea that so much that's happened for us visually and what i can't figure out is when i'm showing baltimore, the shooting of walter scott, is what we are showing something people are receiving like emmett till? like those images on the pettis bridge making us change or are they responding like the lynching photographs where it is a spectacular consumption of the death of oh black bodies? i think it seems to have to do with the glasses through which we see the world. >> absolutely. i love the example. you put the cup cake here and it's all perception. we see this cupcake differently. >> i love that you see the muffin as a cupcake.

>> what's interesting is that with all the images past and present one thing is for certain. black death is alive and well. we see it constantly particularly with social media and video and cell phone cameras. one of the reasons our perceptions are changing and the gap is widening in that respect is we have access to seeing these moments across time and space. it's difficult to reconcile. >> if i don't see a black body as human i don't see breaking it as a problem. that's my worry. when i show that is it just -- are you en joying -- do we click on it that many times because we are appalled the woman says -- or do we find it funny to watch that moment? >> it's one of the ways in which socialle media has changed the nature of the conversation. in face to face encounters you don't have the opportunity to rematerialize your body to show

it as innocent or valuable. on social media you can do a hands-up, don't shoot to challenge the way the body is seen . i have been thinking about the ways people are challenging how their bodies are viewed and how they make their bodies visible in particular ways. for whom are these isolated incidents that are happening there now versus for whom are these longstanding histories that have been happening that are part of a broader system. >> i think about this in the context of something my grandmother said. well when you know better, you do better. the challenge and i don't think it is perception alonement it's about the truth we are invested in. and the truth that we are resistant to. if you, let go of the myth of america and understand the truth of it in all of its ugliness and glory you've got to do something about it. the challenge is the truth in this country --

still have hope in this idea of the country. but that doesn't excuse me from facing the fact that we have been built for 400 years on a system of white supremacy. if we did that the perceptions might be different. and the action because of the truth of the perceptions might be different as well. >> it's a useful comment for me in part because i'm really a big american optimist. it's mine. it isn't better or worse but it's my country. i'm not going anywhere. we built it and here we are. we have to figure it out. i want to put an exclamation point on your point about bodies and maybe we can think about it more. that idea are is connected to what's happening with trans politics, lgbt undocumented, all changing the way the bodies are are seen. that's ale valuable way of

thinking of oh it. there is a voice i would love to invite on my show. if we go back to our conversation about the graduation video, that young man didn't get to give his valedictorian speech. i would like to hear it. i don't know your name young man. if you're out there, in all of this i don't want to miss that you had a speech to give and nerdland would be a lovely place to give it. there is an open invitation for you to give it. thank you to casey gerald and the rest of the panel sticking around. still to cop, the black girl superhero with magical hair. and to baltimore as the city awaits a concert by the purple one, prince, later tonight. ion. love loud, live loud polident. ♪ ♪ fresher dentures... ...for those breathless moments. hug loud, live loud, polident.

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this weekend some mothers are celebrating mother's day a different way, by marching for justice for the children they lost. yesterday mothers marched through washington, d.c. to the justice department to honor loved ones killed by police and to demand accountability for for officers who used deadly force. it was called the million moms march and it was organize oh niezed by maria hamilton whose son was shot and killed by a police officer in milwaukee last april. that officer was fired from the department but has not faced criminal charges. the group presented a list of demands including the creation of a public database and a justice department review of all officer involved deaths. maria hamilton spoke directly to department of justice press secretary kevin lewis who came out to hear the demands. >> i need for you to do this. i'm tired of going to these moms' houses comforting them.

they lose everything. >> meanwhile, in new york hundreds of people gathered to call for stricter gun control laws in a rally organized by moms demand actioner for gun sense in america. joining me to talk about the power of activism from the fellowship of reconciliation and live from baltimore a community organizer and motherer of four dominique stevenson. i want to start with you. talk to me about what mother's day means from a justice perspective. >> wow. that question is kind of hard to answer. one because i think so many mothers in the community that i come from have lost their children. you know, whether it's due to police violence, due to violence in the community.

i think as a mother i feel like you know it's my responsibility to do what i can do to assist to try to really bring justice to the community here in baltimore. that's regardless of mother's day. i think every day is mother's day. it may not be a good day, but every day is a mother's day. >> stay with me. reverend, you and i have talked a lot over the time that you have been in ferguson. over the past weeks you have been in baltimore. part of what i hope to do is to bring the humanity of what the lawsuits are because they feel political but there is humanity here. i wonder if you can help talk about how you organized the human part as well as political action. >> think the organization, the ways in which people engage in social movement have a redeeming and healing process and possibility. when folks stand up and resist something stands up in them. it offers a certain form of

healing. when we look at a mass headed by yvette harris, leading mothers on dealing with questions of police violence against black bodies and other spaces that when they organize something happens to them. what happens to them individually also speaks to what happens to our nation. so then these movements become a kind of thermostat if you will. they begin to set a political climate. then we get some of these political victories grounded in the tears of mothers. >> i want to go -- we heard moms saying -- ms. hamillton saying she was broken until she learned to stand up. >> yes. >> when mothers lose children also brothers and sisters lose siblings, i want to listen to the junior ambassador christopher underwood, for moms demand action for gun sense. i want the listen to him talking at the new york city rally.

>> he was a great big brother. he used to take me to the bus stop in the morning and pick me up from are the bus stop in the afternoon. then one day he was gone. gun violence killed him and took him away from me forever. at that time he died he was 14 and i was 5. i was angry about losing him. so i took my pain and anger and i turned it into action. >> dominique, i don't know if there is a dry eye at my table in new york. but there in baltimore obviously those are the voices not only of the homs but of the brothers and sisters who lost people. how do we turn that pain into change? >> i'm sorry. i'm having difficulty hearing you. could you repeat the question? >> i'm wondering how to take our

personal pain and turn it into meaningful change. >> your asking how to take personal pain and turn it into meaningful pain? >> meaningful change yes, ma'am. >> is that the question? >> yeahment wow. honestly, i think people of african descent, african-americans have been doing it for a long time. it's time for that pain to end. i think we have been taking that personal pain very often and turning it into something meaningful whether it's activism, doing something to transform our community ps or transform the lives of folk this is the communities. i think we need to -- that needs to end. i'm sorry. i just think that pain is no place to be. who wants to live this in constant pain? i think these mothers deserve relief. there is no justice once a child has been taken. we can plead for justice. once that life has been taken

it's not going to be restored. we need to worker harder so these lives aren't taken so motherers aren't grieving the loss of a child, so mothers don't have to become active because -- to people who are not necessarily of our family or in our particular community. >> reverend i want to come to you on that. you are not necessarily from baltimore. you are making a move to missouri, having grown up there but having lived away. sometimes what happens is activists from around the country are engaging in communities not necessarily theirs but are theirs in a broader way. talk about that. >> i think fundamentally, i'm black all over america. wherever i enter into a space i will encounter ways in which the state will encounter my body. another reality is martin will you either king wasn't from

montgomery and the idea that we are outside of damage and despair in a local community is problematic at the cosmic level. secondly, i think the reality for us is that when we enter into these spaces as organizers we have aer moral and ethical obligation to submit to local leadership and follow them in a way that we come to understand what the nuances, details and that kind of thing. lastly for me as we think about these mothers' tears and the tears at the table that on this mother's day it seems the case that everyone in the nation tamir rice needs to be their son oh. for everyone in the nation every time a black baby is shot in the back it has to be the fact. for white folks, that something cosmically is at stake for them. what we need from white folks is for them not to be allies but

freedom fighters. >> and these children to be their children. >> thank you to jonathan rosa tara conley reverend michael skolnik can and dominique stevenson. up next prepare to meet moxie girl. you can call me shallow... but, i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? go national. go like a pro. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing.

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let me show you natalie mcgriff. she's 7 years old, and she is adorable. she loves to dance, and apparently her favorite artists are jasmine sullivan and beyonce. natalie's a great kid, but after seeing how many kids in school and storybooks had long, straight hair she was feeling insecure about her natural hair. also, while she loved science and math, she was not a fan of reading. her mom, angie nixon, knew she needed to intervene and cooked up a plan to boost her daughter's self-esteem and foster a love of reading. the two created a comic book about a superhero where magic

afro puffs that attempts to save the public library from book-eating monsters. "moxie girl" was born. in the "adventures of moxie girl girl," the she-ro doesn't like her hair but with some shampoo, her perceived flaws are turned into superpowers. the comic book over $16,000 at one spark, the largest crowdfunding festival. the duo will use money to publish the comic book meaning the great o free puff will come great responsibility. will moxie prevail? read for yourself. they plan to publish in june. joining from jacksonville is natalie mcgriff and her mom, angie nixon hamp! what a great! >> thank you. thank you, good afternoon. happy mother. >> thank you, happy mother's day you to too. have you seen a difference in your daughter and hair poz tiftd since "moxie girl"? >> definitely. she's more outgoing.

she's happy to be who she is. so she loves her hair now. there are still moments but she loves her hair. >> natalie, i love your hair. i love how you're wearing it now. what has been the most fun of doing "moxie girl" with your mom? >> i don't know. >> when you picked the name "moxie girl," what is it about her to gives her moxie? what do you mean by that? >> determination. boldness. >> i love that. what do you feel determined to do? >> to save the libraries. >> talk about that. ms. nixon what saving the library? >> i'm a community organizer by trade. natalie and i worked on a campaign in jacksonville last year in which they were closing down library due to funding

issues. i kind of wanted to combine some of what was going on in real life in the book. >> i've got two daughters of own. it can be tough to find books that have images that -- both have great, good stories, but images that reinforce the value of what these girls look like. do you see "moxie girl" as being a series, do you see her doing other thing beyond this one book? >> definitely. i see "moxie girl "as being a series. you would be amazed how many young kids, girls and boys, that ran up when we had the big banner with "moxie girl" on it. i actually have a nephew whose name is chris. he has tubes in his ears. and so we wanted to do "the adventures of moxie boy," as well, in which tubes and hearing aid become superpowers. we want to address a lot of insecurities for kids and make them love who they are regardless of whatever it is. >> natalie, can i ask, what are you doing for your mom for

mother's day today? >> taking her somewhere. >> taking her somewhere that's fun for her? >> yes, but i'm not telling. >> oh! it's a secret. i love it. natalie mcgriff, are you one fan fantastic kid. thank you for being here. angie nixon, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> and follow us on instagram. the adventures of moxie girl. like us on facebook at "theadventures "theadventuresofmoxiegirl. >> thanks for giving us a good hopeful moment to go out on. >> thank you. >> thank you! that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. i'll see you next saturday 10:00 a.m. eastern. time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt." we like. that and speaking of happy mother's day to you, too your baby daughter is precious. she is. what's in a name? a new report on hillary clinton and jeb bush. a similarity they share as the

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