hello, everybody. we continue with breaking coverage of the deadly train derailment north of philadelphia. now we are about five hours into this level-three mass casualty incident, and there is still no way to though for sure if all the vib timms have been recovered. the final number of casualties or even what the cause of this is. at least five people are dead. that was confirmed by mayor michael nutter and six are in critical condition. there have been 65 total people taken to local hospitals. there were 243 people on board. five of them were amtrak employees. parts of the regional 188 train are on its side, some upside down. one, this one you're seeing

right here nearly split in half with a large section of the track mangled underneath. the train was traveling north from washington d.c. to new york city. how the ntsb has been activated and is investigating. here's what we're still trying to figure out even at this hour. first of all the cause of this. what caused this accident? officials are still not giving us any word as to what that is and they are not going to speculate for good reason but msnbc has spoken to many witnesses. and many report shabking before a stop. one person we spoke to was sitting in the back of the train, and he said suitcases hit passengers. when it all happened around 9:20 eastern time there was no light outside, it was dark outside. rescuers were initially using flashlights before asking

helicopters to shine will lights bright enough to do the search. the death toll as it stands right now is five. it is still an active scene. and, as we went through the evening watching all of this play out watching passengers being taken from the train to local hospitals, the one thing we kept hearing from officials is just how devastating of an accident of a derailment that this is. i want to play some sound right now of philly mayor michael nutter describing what he saw. >> it is an absolute disastrous mess. never seen anything in my life --life like this. and most personnel will say that as well. >> that says a lot. all right, i want to go now to adam reese, a msnbc reporter near the scene, you have been

watching all this play out for many hours now. what is going on near that derailment site? >> caller: it's quieted down quite a bit. there are still dozens of firefighters, police officers on the scene, milling about between the different cars. just to set the scene, if the tracks are going north/south, the cars are on the west side of the track. again, repeating what we talked about earlier. it looks like a tin can that's been opened. and, again, the front car, the engine car, some 50 yards south of the other cars separated from the other cars when the train

derailed. descriptions by some of the passengers were just dazed and confused, coming off, self-evacuating themselves off the train. others had to be pulled out. others had to be taken out by saws, by the rescue workers, and then there were the stories from people on the train of the chaos when the drillerailment happened. lug and flying around, people helping others disembark from the train, out of windows. we're watching right now, at least four officers taking out jaws of of life. that's the contraption where they're able to pry open the steel to help rescue people. so they're leaving the scene right now. about a half hour ago we saw a search dog entering the scene, as the mayor said in his last press conference. they cannot be sure at this time, if everyone has been accounted for. so that search continues through the night. they say they will brief us at about 11:00 tomorrow. still plenty of police here. firefighters, rescue workers on the scene, still combing through the wreckage devastating wreckage here. >> absolutely. and if you want to talk about

the emergency personnel, i know they're start being to make their way away from the scene now. it's kind of winding down now, but right after this happen we understand 123 firefighters were called to that scene, it was a four-alarm response as you mentioned, a level-three mass casualty. seven cars including the engine overturned in that. one of the cars was actually bent in half it looked like. and we're seeing some video now of passengers being taken away from the derailment site. are you getting any indication as to possibly what they're looking at specifically as to a possible cause? i mean i know a lot of that is still up in the air, but any indication as to maybe an area they may be focussing on? >> caller: i don't want to speculate, but we can start looking at the speed of the train. as it entered this turn. the federal railroad agency the

ntsb, the fbi, they'll all be on their way. wentsb is already on the way. they be looking at the speed shall the brakes when and if the brakes were applied. they'll be taking toxicology tests of the conductor. as i mentioned the previous hour, betty, when you look at the scene here i've talked to people you know officers in car accidents, when you see this kind of damage you've got to think, was this train going too fast to cause this amount of damage. i mean, the cars are just on top of each other flipped over. the one we talked about, carved open like a can. we just don't want to speculate. >> right. >> caller: but speed will definitely be looked into as a factor. >> not only that but putting the clues together, i saw video of the portion of the actual train track that was bent.

so just imagine the kind of force that would cause that. and there was some aerial video from one of the local stations that showed some of the wheels from the train. several of them that were blown off the train itself. the train car. so it's just a big mystery as to exactly what caused this. but i think, you know right after this happened one of the big concerns was, one, trying to get people off of that train and to the hospital and to medical care. but then after that what happened to them? i understand a lot of them went to the hospital initially to get checked out. and then what after that? >> caller: we heard that many were taken to all kinds of various hospitals here in the philadelphia area. and some were as one nbc producer on the train mentioned earlier, some were just, you know left walking around dazed and confused here at the scene. others were taken away to various locations.

we don't know if amtrak was here on site and what kind of help they did provide to those passengers, either to get them a hotel room or to get them to their destination in new york or, or further north. but the mayor did say that the train had already stopped in philadelphia. so everybody who, you know was destined for philadelphia had gotten off. >> i'm going to ask you to stand by because we want to play some sound for our viewers to give you an indication of what exactly happened inside that train during impact. a former pennsylvania congressman, patrick murphy was on the train and was speaking with rachel maddow on msnbc and explained how he got off the train. >> how did you get out? i know that you helped other passengers. you also have quite a number of injured passengers in your car that you saw. how did you guys get out of

there? and how were you able to -- what decisions did you make there? >> yeah well i went through and you know the guy next to me i just got myself up and checked my body parts. everything was there. and i had to pull myself up because it was sideways and this guy that was okay next to me then there was another guy right next to us who was totally knocked unconscious and bleeding, so i grabbed him, and shook him a little bit hey buddy, hey buddy, and he, then after he came to and there was a lot of screaming and a lot of folks who were flipping out, you know human nature. so the first thing i knew was pull myself up to the, what would be ceiling, although it was the side of the train, on

the western side and pushed out the emergency window as hard as i could. and then you know human nature there's people who were so flipping out that they had to get out as if they were claustrophobic, so i put my hands down and let them give them the heave ho out. and the folks who were laid-back were all banged up and really couldn't move and just made sure, i just told people to put pressure on their, where they were bleeding from and then i climbed over the canteen to get over to the other side and tare were two people on that side that one couldn't move at all. and there was one person who was, frankly, delirious, and i was trying to calm him down a

little bit. and then another guy, he was stuck behind one of those tables and couldn't move at all. >> that was congressman patrick murphy speaking to rachel maddow an a little earlier this evening. he was on one of those train cars and experienced this derailment and described basically what happened during those moments right afterwards and trying to get people off the train. the scene is still active at this hour. crews are still there. and search crews are on the scene as well and they are trying to find you know piece it together clues and find if there are any possible passengers still aboard that train, because we understand from mayor michael nutter of philadelphia that he's not sure if everyone has been accounted for, but the numbers we do know is that there were 238 passengers on the train, five crew members. of that five people have been killed in this derailment. and of course we're going to continue to follow this breaking news and bring you the latest right here on msnbc.

welcome back. we are continuing our breaking news coverage of amtrak train 188 that derailed in philadelphia earlier this evening. i spoke earlier with a passenger on the train with his mother when it derailed. he is an emory university freshman who was on the train. give us an inchdication of what you experienced when this happened? >> caller: basically everything was going fine. and for two seconds the train started to shake. and all of a sudden everyone flew up on to the side of the train, and everyone was just so confused what happened. the car started to smoke, and we thought that we'd better get out

of there before it explodes. and so we tried just getting everyone off the train. >> did you have any indication, were there any kind of prior warning? or was this something that just happened all of a sudden? >> caller: it all happened just at once. the car started shaking for two seconds. and then we're on our side. >> do you know which car in particular were you in? were you closer to the front or closer to the back? >> i was in the last car. ? oh, so you were in the last car. i understand your mother was in the train with you, and she was injured, injured. >> >> caller: yes, my mother, we're actually both in the e.r. right now. she flew up against the window and a suitcase fell on her, and i think she might have some fractured ribs. >> goodness. what happened when this train crashed and you saw these injuries, how were you able to get out?

>> caller: well, first thing i did was i helped my mom up and i looked around. i was there, and i was walking, and i wasn't in too much pain so obviously, we saw the smoke coming, and we thought we have to get out of here. there was a door that was slightly open and so we just squeezed people through there and i tried my best to just help people get out, because there were people that were in much worse condition than i was. >> what kind of condition were they in? >> caller: i mean, my mother was having trouble breathing because of her ribs. there were people that had suitcases and chairs thrown on top of them, and their faces were bleeding. people with broken arms broken legs just everything you can imagine. ? and what's so startling about this is she's are the injuries from the last train car. i can only begin to imagine what some of those closer to where the trains wednesday offnt off the

track experienced. first of all, what are your injuries? do you have any injuries? >> caller: i hit my head pretty hard, so possibly a concussion but just couple scratches. i really got away lucky. >> were you able to see and talk to some of the other passengers who were injured, maybe a little closer to where the train derailed? >> caller: i did see some people, and they were pretty pretty badly knocked up. their faces were bleeding. and they were having trouble walking. and yeah. it was pretty awful. >> was it chaotic? or were people calmly trying to, you know get, get a sense of what just happened and get out of there? >> caller: i think most people were just in shock and couldn't

believe what had just happened. i mean here i am a couple hours later, and i still. like having trouble believing that that really just happened. but there were people freaking out, and thinking wow like this could be the end. but i think everyone was pretty much just in shock. >> so once you got out of the train, was there anyone there to escort you somewhere in this was early on obviously. >> caller: police, police. police were there and they helped us out and get us away. there were wires down everywhere, so they wanted to get us away from the scene and get us the medical attention we needed. >> how coordinated was it? were they able to get you to an area away from the train? >> caller: yeah they got us away from it. they put us in a bus to take us away somewhere. and people who needed immediate medical attention got that and

they were transported to hospitals. but for people like myself and my mother they took us to like a separate place, talked to investigators, and now we're at the e.r. >> well, max, we appreciate you taking some time out of what has been quite an ordeal to speak with us this evening. we wish you the best with your injuries, your mother's injuries and everyone on that train, obviously. so thank you so much and do take care. >> caller: all right thanks for having me. >> all right, we spoke with max, an emory university student just a little earlier. he was on the train when it derailed. again, five people killed in this derailment. six people still in critical condition. 65 total taken to the hospital. we of course will continue to follow this breaking news story and when we come back from the break we will have the latest on the passengers taken to the hospital.

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we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra soft? it just, we were sitting there, and then it just you saw it go like that. you could feel it off the track. and then we just rolled and rolled. and next thing i knew we were pushing out the emergency exit. i was outside, and there were people screaming and bleeding and we helped them out, and they're okay now. >> it was quite a scene earlier this evening right after that derailment and obviously quite a scene still at this hour as crews are there investigating and trying to see if perhaps there is anyone still left on that train, because as we heard a little bit earlier from the philadelphia mayor that they're still not sure if everyone is

accounted for. speaking of those who were taken to the hospital though randy gyllenhaal is a reporter for nbc philadelphia. i understand you just came from one of the hospitals. give us an indication as to what the injuries were and what you saw. >> caller: i was at frankford hospital, which is about a ten minute ambulance ride. and we spoke to a doctor. more than 50 patients transported to hospitals around philadelphia. this one in particular got about 25 patients. and what doctors are telling us is that many of the patients were in the front three cars of the train that derailed and they toob the most heavy hit inside those train cars. so what they're dealing with is broken bones, lacerations. they have a lot of interm bleeding, at least a few of these patients are in serious condition. they were brought by ambulance. philadelphia police officers arrived on the scene first, put these patients first, especially

the most injured, into the back of the police wagons and drove the wagons to the hospital. we saw a few of them walking in with bloody tee shirts. a few others taken in on wheelchairs, and ats least one taken in on a stretcher. it has calmed down now, but they're still dealing with about 25 patients right now, including some that are seriously injured. >> 25 in that hospital, but a total of 65 have been taken to nearby hospitals, as we've been talking about all night long. six still in critical condition. and as you describe that it reminds me of video i saw a little earlier. it was the outside of a hospital where you saw doctors standing next to empty stretchers and beds just waiting for some of the injured to arrive. it was very surreal, almost like something out of a movie, in fact, what are you hearing or what have you learned as to what

some of these injuries or what some of these passengers experienced on board that train? >> caller: i can tell you doctors have been speaking to some of these patients who didn't have very serious injuries. what they've told the doctors we've spoken to is that everything was going fine on the train. they came upon this area where the derailment happened, and they heard a screeching noise, a loud screech. and some of the patients don't remember anything after that. they heard a loud screech and a bang. and one patient suddenly woke up. he had dirt in his mouth, all over his face. the train cars on their sides, and that's when he woke up after this derailment. so a lot of patients knocked unconscious. some of them doctors told me hadn't even woken up until they got to the hospital. so it was a very surreal moment for these passengers who essentially, within seconds passed out or got knocked out and woke up to this chaotic scene all around them and they're rushed to the hospital. you mentioned all the doctors

and nurses standing around. that was at every hospital in the region and across philadelphia. they were all prepared to handle this large influx of patients it was a level three mass influx of papatients. and that's when police wagons and cruisers started bringing people to hospitals. >> level three, that sets off alarm bells. as we heard from the philadelphia mayor still not sure if everyone is accounted for. hopefully we'll learn a little more at 11:00. that's when we are expecting our next update. but it was definitely quite the scene there. do you have any information as to after the walking wounded or those who weren't really injured made their way to the hospital after that where were they told to go? where are they now? >> caller: if they're not still in the hospital a lot of them have been told to go to an elementary school webster elementary which is near the

crash site. the issue we're going to be facing is if this was a d.c. to new york train, a lot of the folks who were injured may not be from the philadelphia area. so their family members are going to have to drive up here. so there's still a lot of confusion, and these people may not know the area very well. so the red cross is handling a number of these walking wounded types. the ones still in the hospital of course are being treated by doctors and hopefully will be in touch with family members. but this train makes its way up and down the northeast corridor. it's difficult to track these people down. i don't have it off the top of my head but they did release an 800 number for families to call. if you're in the area looking for someone, head over to that webster elementary school. this is still very early. this happened a few hours ago. as morning comes up we should hopefully at the time some of these families reunited. >> absolutely. randy gyllenhaal reporting there

for us. and he mentioned family members trying to find those who were on board that train. i want to give you a phone number to amtrak. this is a number for family and friends to call if they are looking for loved ones on the train. that number is 1-800-523-9101. again, 1-800-523-9101. we are continuing to follow this breaking news story out of philadelphia. keep it here on msnbc for the latest latest. stay with us.

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welcome back, everybody. we're continuing to follow breaking news of a train derailment in philadelphia. and to really understand the damage, you have to see it from the air. we now want to play some video from nbc skyforce 10 who filed this report a little earlier. take a listen. >> reporter: jaclyn, i can tell you, there's a very critical scene up here. we are watching those live pictures down on the ground but from up here you can get a better perspective. you can see the mangled wreckage of those train cars that derailed and crashed. and can you see just down here in this area you see some of the firefighters working to just try to stabilize everything in this situation out here. also, you can see right over here i'm going to throw on the screen here, you can see some of the ladders where they tried to evacuate some of those passengers there. you see some of the windows that have been taken out where some of the passengers were able to get onto the ladders and get off

of that derailed train there. i'm going to ask the photographer to pull back a little so you can see exactly how many of it these cars are involved. really, it almost forms a v pattern out here where it just zigzags in this area. the entire area where the cars derailed. and it just continues on into this area here. so it starts here and really just zigzags. there's another train car, perhaps the engine in the front that is just in that area ahead ever the tracks right there. so this is really just a massive scene out here. we counted seven to eight cars. we do have about a four-block radius that is cordoned off as a result of all this. you can see just in this area right here we have fire department activity here. we have activity here. up here and even all the way over to the top left corner of your screen. so this is a massive response out here. and over here i'm going to show

one more thing over here. can you see this little spotlight out here. we have seen police helicopters out there trying to put some light out here on the scene. if you take a look at this entire area you don't see a whole lot of light from the street lamps or what have you. i mean, these trains come through this area late at night, and they don't have a whole lot of light out there on the area of the tracks. so they brought in the helicopters presume bhiably as you're seeing right there to shed light on the scene so the firefighters and officers who are on the scene right now can get a better look at these train cars and try to make vursure that everything is stabilized everything is okay. and you can see how many crews are out there on the scene and we're going to keep an eye out here inside skyforce 10. but that is the very latest here. >> so that gives you a little perspective of this level three mass casualty that they've called for following this train derailment in philadelphia.

to look at the numbers, 238 passengers were on board, five crew members, five people unfortunately, have been killed in this derailment. since are still in critical condition. a total of 65 have been taken to the hospital. we're going to continue to follow this breaking news story. if you have play dates at your house. be ready to clean up the mess. the kids have fun, but it's pretty gross. (doorbell) what's that? it's a swiffer wetjet. i can just grab this and just go right to the mess. that comes from my floor? now that's disgusting. i want friends over! you want friends over?

welcome back everybody. we continue to follow breaking news of a train derailment in philadelphia. this is amtrak train traveling from washington drms.c. to new york. it had just stopped in philadelphia and was making its way to penn station in new york when it derailed right there in philadelphia. 238 people were on board, including five members. let's get the latest. michael nutter and tom wolf spoke a little earlier. this is what they had to say. >> there's not a ton of, there's virtually no new information. but let's recap. this was amtrak train number 188. from washington, d.c. bound for new york city. approximately 9:28 the first alarm went out this ultimately went to four fire alarms fire department is in command on the

scene. that's 33 apparatus, 120 firefighting personnel and ems. at its height probably 200 police officers. department of homeland security on the scene as well as other first responders, state police on the scene, septa personnel on the scene, and amtrak personnel on the scene. our best estimate at the moment again, continues to be preliminary information. everything we tell you will be preliminary information. we believe approximately 243 personnel on the train. five of whom are amtrak employees. 65 is one new piece of information. 65 transports. still since considerx considered critical and unfortunately, five individuals deceased as a result. all those individuals went to a variety of hospitals, primarily

temple and the area and a couple others. we've received tremendous support from all of our agencies and departments, and obviously, and now introduce governor tom wolf is with us. we talked on the phone, i talked to him and his chief of staff. he's expressed tremendous support for us and more importantly, we've received that support on the ground. governor? >> thank you. i really. here in support of the city of philadelphia and the mayor and really just to let him know and everybody here that anything the state can do to help, we stand ready to do that. the state police are here to help. but if there's anything, i think, you know that you can count on the commonwealth. >> absolutely. sam will give some final information. i'll come back. we'll talk about where we are this evening.

obviously, you know we're continuing our operations here. then we'll talk about tomorrow. sam? where are you? >> good evening. the most important thing right now is that the incident has been placed under control. so we're starting the family reunification process. we're working with amtrak our hospitals, all of our human services agencies. so, again, if the public is looking for someone, a loved one, start that process by calling amtrak's number. that's 1-800-523-9101. again, 1-800-523-9101. we're working out of the city's emergency operation center to match all of that information against what we have with hospital records, amtrak and manifest information and again call that number, and we'll start the process. >> hospital personnel are at our emergency operations center which is why that's the central coordinating place. so we're able to match to a

great extent the manifest information with hospital personnel and our eoc, and then when people call the number that sam phyllis gave you they'll be able to get more information about their loved ones. we would expect since the train had already passed philadelphia and was a washington to new york bound train, many of those passengers are probably either washington, d.c. residents, new jersey residents or new york residents. obviously, some people may have gotten on the train at philadelphia, but given the time of the evening and the usual type of service for this type of train, most were potentially new york bound. i've reached out to both mayor de blasio in new york city. we've been in communication. and i also talked to mayor muriel bowser in washington d.c. both colleagues. both folks that i've worked with.

obviously, mayor bowser much newer than de blasio. the governor expects to do the same with his counterparts at the governor level. in terms of where we are right now, we will continue for some time out here with any continued search, but obviously, at 1:00 in the morning, in darkness that is a more difficult operation. in the meantime ntsb as i mentioned earlier, has already deployed a team. they are on their way to philadelphia with a full team with equipment, and we've also working with amtrak ordered some equipment, but, again obviously, trying to operate cranes and other heavy equipment in the middle of the night, not the safest thing in the world to do. so much of that operation will take place in the morning. in terms of any further updates, we would anticipate, for the moment, that we will probably provide an update somewhere in the 11:00 time frame. there will be no other updates tonight. we have no other information,

and i mean, you all will do what you do but there's nothing else for us to report. >> all right, you have been listening to philly mayor michael nutter along with tom wolf giving an update a little over an hour ago on the latest information from the amtrak train derailment. we will continue to follow the breaking news on this crash and bring you the latest right after this break.

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welcome back everybody. i'm betty nguyen. we are following breaking news of an amtrak train from washington, d.c. to new york city. it derailed around 9:20 eastern time last night. i want to show you the scope of the crash scene and to look at it as quite, it's impressive and in a very sad way. let's take a listen to this helicopter reporter as he shows you the devastation. >> reporter: this really is something that you don't see often at all, and really you don't want to. this is just quite a scene from

up here in skyforce 10. and what we can see, all these overturned cars and the ones that have derailed. you see this one right here appears to be the most heavily damaged, just completely off the tracks here. i mean, right now, you can see some of the other train cars in this area and you just see how this one just completely went offer the rails. let's pull back just a little bit here and i just want to give you an idea of what's going on around the scene at the moment. you see some of these emergency workers who are around the area right now. this appears to be the area that is in focus at this point where this train derailed, but you see right here this is the front of the train there. that would be the engine part. and what we pointed out a few moments ago is how it went off the rails and really just so far separated from the rest of the cars that it came to this point here and jumped the rails and

just ripped them off of the railroad ties and bent the entire rail. we talked about this being a junction. you see a freight train car right there. does not appear that this train hit any of the other vehicles that are out here in this area but i was just looking at a google map of this entire area because it's very dark up here. you can't really see too much from this vantage point, which is why they had a lot of the police helicopters and the lights out here but you can see that the tracks do diverge in all four directions from this point. as the mayor said, it's very soon and too soon to speculate exactly ha happened out here. you see a lot of tracks in this area. you see tracks here as well. so you see this entire area filled with train activity but you see right up in this area here where we have some of the

damage where the train cars that crashed just completely went off the tracks. i also want to show you right around here, you see some of these emergency workers that are in the area right now. they have been out here with flashlights flashlights. we've seen them for at least the past hour, going up to each one of these train cars looking in looking in the windows, looking underneath, just trying to see what they can find in terms of debris, in terms of evidence perhaps, if there are any other people who may be on board these trains. but you imagine how much force it took to get these train cars to derail. look at this right here. these right here this those are the wheels from the train cars that look like they have completely separated from the train cars themselves. and you see one car right on the top of your screen. you see another one off to the left completely on its side. you see a lot of the brush in

the area that is just flattened as a result. and you just imagine what it must have been like to be on board this train, to be on these cars that overturned turned to their side and especially anybody who was on this car right here. that is -- >> that car right there is just it's so hard to look at that and imagine the passengers in that train car. and it's being marked number one. many of these train cars have been marked with numbers. we're not really sure how that's being pieced together but that is part of the investigation. adam reese, a msnbc reporter is on the scene he joins me now. looking at that report from the sky, it shows you the scope of this derailment. and it really went quite a ways and to see that lead car so far away from the rest of the train is just just shocking. >> reporter: right, and so you saw it from the sky. i want to give you a little sense of what it looks like from

the ground. now to my right is going north. the train had just recently left 30th street station in philadelphia. take a look behind me. this is the scene about a block away from where we are. to the left you would have found the lead car, the engine car, which was about, at least almost about 50 feet north of the other cars that with completely turned off. the pictures you've seen in the aerials, the car that looks like it's completely mangled. the other cars just flipped over on their side. the one car that's perpendicular to the tracks complete devastation. five fatalities. six critical. we talked about 243 people on the train. the mayor spoke to us about an hour ago. he says we still can't be sure that everyone is accounted for. we saw a search dog go into the scene about an hour ago. they have, a lot of the emergency workers have left the

scene, but there's still plenty on the scene, continuing to search through the evening, betty, to see if in fact there may be other survivors or other fatalities on the scene, betty? >> you have heard much from amtrak? we have heard from the mayor. we have heard from the governor. we have heard from, you know doctors at local hospitals. we have not heard much from amtrak. and i'm just wondering why. >> reporter: i really don't know. we've talked to a nbc producer for example earlier this evening, you and i, and she had said that there really was no one guiding them once they got off the train. the good news is many of them did self-evacuate, but there was really no guidance as to where to go or if there was an effort made to get them up to new york or back to philadelphia. we do know in terms of the investigation that the fbi, the ntsb the federal railroad administration will be coming here. they'll be looking at the

brakes. they'll be looking at the speed of the train at the time of the crash. they'll make an effort to interview the conductor, take toxicology tests and that will all be part of the investigation to try to determine what happened here what went so wrong as this train came on this curve and completely derailed three cars on their side one car completely ripped open and the engine car, north of those cars, almost about 50 to 100 yards north of those other cars. >> and when we're looking at video of that just a little bit earlier, that engine car came very close to another set of train cars that were on the track, and they look like they may have been carrying some kind of liquid i mean i'm not sure. it definitely wasn't a passenger train, so i can only imagine had that crashed into the other one and what that could have caused. it's such a frightening scenes it is but for that that engine to be so far away and then really breakthrough the tracks.

it just shows you the force. >> right. >> reporter: and the speed that this might have been going. again, we don't want to speculate as to the speed, but based upon what we've seen in terms of the wreckage here it had to have been going at a good amount of speed as it came into this turn. >> and as for the latest on this i'm understanding that there may be a news conference around 11:00. that's the earliest that we're going to get some new information information. is that what you're hearing? >> reporter: that's right. the mayor said at 11:00 they'll hopefully have an update for us maybe at that time we'll even hear from the ntsb get some of their first-hand look and first-hand assessment of the scene after they've had a chance to look at the wreckage and make some kind of preliminary determination as to what might have happened, again, they probably won't want to speculate

until they have had a chance to listen to the reporters and take some of the data from the recorders on the train. >> and quickly, for those passengers who were already checked out at the hospital and where do they go next? because i would suspect many of the passengers were probably new york or new jersey residents. >> reporter: right, 65 were transported to various local hospitals here in the philadelphia area and we were told at the last press conference that some of them have already left and made their way to their home or maybe to local hotels here. >> okay. >> reporter: but let me just point out, you'll see some of these emergency workers still coming out. we were there about two hours ago. there were still plenty of emergency workers, fire police on the scene combing through that wreckage. >> yeah. it is a very active scene, even at this hour. we're approaching the 3:00 eastern time. again, five people have been killed in this train derailment. we will continue to follow this story right here on msnbc and

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rolling along nice and smooth, and all of a sudden, we're on our side then it looked like we were going to flip. >> next thing i knew, we were pushing out the emergency exit. i was outside and there were people screaming and bleeding. >> it is an absolute disastrous mess. never seen anything like this in my life and most personnel will say that as well. >> well good morning, everybody. i'm betty nguyen. we do begin with breaking news at this hour. a deadly amtrak train derailment near philadelphia. crews are still searching for survivors aboard derailed amtrak regional 188. a passenger train going from washington, d.c. up to new york city. now, at this hour we know at least five people are dead but that number could rise as the sun comes up.