seven cars including the engine are in various stages of disarray turned over upsidedown on their side. it is an absolute disastrous mess. i never seen anything like this in my life and most personnel will say that as well. >> we were the first few cars thafz a huge trauma. so some significant abdominal injuries, other injury a lot of musculoskeletal, there were definitely cuts and bruises, people will be more sore tomorrow. >> breaking news overnight, five people are dead dozens injured after a major train derailment.

more than 140 people were sent to area hospitals. at this hour officials say not seven accounted for. >> 243 people were on board when the train went into washington and en route to new york city and amtrak service between new york and philadelphia remains suspended this morning, mica. >> the train was entering a turn around:30 last night when passengers say it shook and came to a sudden stop. nearby residents say it sounded like shopping carts crashing into each other. it is known to have met a curve sand trains are required to slow down. it is unclear at this point how fast the train was going. some of the passengers are now speaking out, describing movie-like chaos. >> my mother was having trouble breathing because of her ribs. there were people that had

suitcases and chairs thrown on top of them their faces were bleeding. people with broken arms broken leg, just everything you can imagine. >> willie we have all been on these trains before. this is how we move up and down the east coast. it's how most people move up and down the east coast. we talked about it when we had the train crash up you know the north metro out there. sometimes you look at the trains before you get on these regional trains. it's like you are living in a third world country. whether there are bridges we go over or the roads we drive over or the airports we go over. here you have the very arteries of our economy that are just getting more and more decrepid by the day. i wonder if we will find that, too. >> we don't have metro north. remember, there was too much speed in that curve north of manhattan. this is the busiest stretch of track in north america, not just in this country.

so i bet there is a large percentage of people watching our show who has been on this track. as you said this is not asela. this is the original train for the northeast corridor. they do feel when you get on the regional one they feel old. inside and outside they look old. >> i mean. >> i remember watching a requested mad men" episode three, four years ago. they are all getting on this train. it's supposed to be ret. >> reporter: my god, it looks regional. >> they didn't have -- but at the same time though it's everything combined in our infrastructure. america's infrastructure. it is. everything combined to avoid accidents. we don't do trains well in this country and we need to. >> meanwhile, they're still figuring out how many people are injured. home people died. there are people in critical condition. let's go to the scene. rehema ellis is live in philadelphia in the latest investigation that caused a

crash. what are you seeing so far this morning? >> reporter: what we are seeing is now the sun is coming out, investigators will get a better look of combaktly what went on down there. as you know we know what happened. this amtrak train was bound from washington, d.c. to new york and as it stopped in philadelphia shortly after it left the philadelphia station, it ended up here behind me. you can see the flashing lights and just beyond those flashing lights is where this twisted, mangled mess of steel and what's left of this train is lost. you might even have some pictures of it from the chopper, a view and as the mayor described, it is an absolute mess. people said it is devastating. the mayor says he's never seen anything like it. the engine completely separated from the other cars. why it happened, investigators got to unravel. local, state, federal

authorities will be on the scene. the national transportation safety board will be asking questions. how fast was the train traveling when it reached that bend in the train tracks and when did the conductor, when did the engineer apply the brakes? you will also know there will be some tests of that engineer to find out what the toxicology state is of him. they want to know that as well. those are things they don't have answers for. it is unraveling. it will be some time before we do know that. what we do know is for passengers on the train, it was horrifying. one of the passengers was janell an nbc news producer, a friend of mine. i spoke with her this morning, early this morning, shortly after she had gotten off that train and made her way to a hospital and as being the journalist that she is as he was trying to work out of that train, she took some picture. we have video and sound to show

you right now. here. hold on. hold on. here. go go go. should we just get out? >> help me. >> yes. of course. >> get up. >> janell said to me people were screaming, crying strike as best they could to get off that train. she said the interesting part of being an an amtrak train as we all know as we ride these trains there are no seatbelts and there is a cafe car. when you make it to the cafe car, people are standing. so who knows what might have happened to some of those passengers in that area. >> rehema ellis on the scene, thank you. >> with us on phone we have former congressman patrick murphy, a good friend of ours on board when the train crashed. patrick took a photo. it's actually on the front page of the "new york times," willie obviously, it will be an iconic

photo out of this terrible tragedy, i saw on twitter. >> it spread like wildfire patrick was on board the train. he joins us now. first of all, how are you doing? how are you feeling? >> well, willie i'm a little banged up. but i'm wluklucky to be here buddy. >> what happened at the scene? what happened you are sitting there, chugging along headed towards new york city what happens? >> i was on the regional rail to cover a veteran on that cafe car as you know they have stables, the seat tables next to me senator parks from delaware i was talking to him a little bit. he got off his stop in wellington. he said thanks, for your service and i'll talk to you soon. i kept going. we stopped in philadelphia. we were on our way to the next stop, my stop trenton, new

jersey, across the river. i'm sitting there with my ear buds in the next thing i know that the train just literally rocked. it like it buckled and it went to the left and then shifted violently to the right and just crashed into the side. i was on the left side of the train you know going northbound. everyone on my side including myself just literally flew through the air. >> you said you went to the other side you flew into the other wall? >> yeah head-first. it didn't feel so good. >> did you remain conscious the whole time? >> i did. unfortunately the guy next to me was knocked out cold. there was debris and dust. it got dark really quick. i just checked my extremity, my

arms, leg, made sure everything was there. i kind of pulled myself up because now the thigh is healing. who know i pulled myself up. i saw the guy next to me kind of knocked out i kind of grabbed his face to say, buddy, are you okay? i hit him on the side a bit. he came as to he was okay. he jumped up. i said we crashed. are you okay? just everybody was screaming and crying and you know it's a lot of blood and like a mass humanity. >> so patrick was there any warning before the train buckle and went off the track? >> any sound or feeling you can remember? >> and any suggestion on why the train derailed from inside where you were? >> no i felt like it was a

regular trip. i didn't feel we were exception e going exceptionally fast. it felt we were going 60 70 miles an hour. it's just when it started violently rocking, especially to one side and then the other. it just happened that fast and, you know just having getting up and people crying out, you know when i got up and saw out the window, i kind of pulled myself up and stood on the bench where you sid down on the cafe car, i was able to reach out to the emergency window. i kind of punched it out and then there was folks, people were freaking out. they were some were like claustrophobic. get out of the train. then i just think there were 11

of us. i had climbed over the other cafe carts the cantinas. so i'm climbing over. everyone on my side was stavenlt i was putting pressure on where they were bleeding from and then there was two people on the other side really banged up. one guy couldn't feel anything. the other guy was bleeding profusely from different spots. he was frankly delirious and we were telling him to calm down help's on its way, they're going to get here soon. i tried to walk him through it. i had one guy, hold his hand the sirens they're calling, they'll be here in a second. everyone stay calm. a woman that works in amtrak i can tell you, she was standing up during it. shelves banged up. shelves thrown around like a

pinball. i asked her if she was okay. she said yes. but she was getting ice from the cafe cart and little napkin givg it for people's heads. shelves standing there handing it out. then luckily, you know the police philadelphia police officers and philadelphia firefighters were literally there. it was a miracle. >> patrick as you described that horrific scene, when the words started to come out and your tweets and pictures for it to be seen, it seemed like i get the 16 e sense of where this happened because there was absolutely no light. it's almost as if investigators were scraping around the dark and just flashlights were used to try and deal with what the situation you are describing which sounds like hell on earth. >> yeah when we were -- when i

first pulled myself up and looked, i saw the debris i was cokeing. it was pretty graphic. so when i punched out you could see light, that's when everyone the only way to get out and so i helped everyone. once they settled down i was able to grab my saw. in a few minutes, i grabbed my phone and texted my wife and brother and said hey, i'm on this train, i'm okay. i'll call when i can. i took a couple pictures and threw it on twitter super fast and i could hear the sirens and first responders coming roughly close. so the philadelphia firefighters, the captain said congressman, are you okay? i said listen we got 11 people in this cafe cart. there's two over there that really need help. and those guys hustled right to

it. they sawed through the side of the window to get through. but they were amazing. it really saved lives, maybe without them we would not have made it. >> patrick we are so grad you are okay and able talk to us on the phone. are you humble we know you helped out people in the immediate after math of that terrible wreck last night. patrick murphy thank you so much for being with us. joining us now is the american red cross, anthony, thank you for being with us this morning. can you give us an update on the victim's last check. five dead and many more injured? >> i think that's about right. we are seeing we are at the philadelphia 30th street training station here in philadelphia. we have a reception center opened where we are starting to see an influx of hooem people people going to the hospital looking for that process to go

home. >> anthony, can you give us a sense of the try annual last night. mica pointed out it did appear to be in a remote dark area there. getting the people off the train and assessing the injured? >> the red cross is actually set up a station in philadelphia where people family and loved ones could come find out about those about the development whether they were travel income to philadelphia from north of the city or as south as washington, d.c. so we provided them a stable location where people can come in gather their thoughts look for their loved once and if they found out they were in the hospital, they could meet them there. >> anthony with the red cross, thank you for checking in. we appreciate it. last night's crash comes whenning a track has been on the rise ridership increased roughly 15% over 30 million

passengers rode amtrak trains in 2014. meanwhile, more than 11.6 million people travel aboard the asela and amtrak trains on the northeast corridor lines linking washington, d.c. and boston last year. and amtrak trains now account for 77% of all air and rail travel between washington, d.c. and new york up from just 37% when it launched the asela in 2000. >> so obviously, the asela is being used. the train is up in that northeast corridor are being used. again, we are big time consumers. they need a re-investment in the tracks. obviously, they need a re-investment in training. they need a re-investigation into train, themselves. as more and more people get on these train, we will be more

worried about safety wise. we talk about infrastructure. we can't live off things built in the 1930s and '40s. >> i think all three of us agree, it's a great way to travel. there won't be delays. you can sit there and get your work done. but you are right, a lot of this stuff is outdated. a lot of stuff have been on the asela, that's the high speed train from washington to new york relative to high speed trains around the world. >> my suggestion is that we should be at a stage where this isn't happening. >> we should not be looking at five, six, seven countries, other countries that, you know do so much better. >> we will get the numbers to back that up. there is much more ahead on "morning joe." the strange bed fellows when it comes to trade. paul ryan is backing the president. democrat claire mccaskill is not. they will both join us this morning. new york city mayor bill de

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>> 21 past the hour. joining the conversation managing editor of bloomberg politics and writer for the washington post jonathan capehart. you want to do politics? >> let's go to 2016 politics now. you go ahead >> likely republican

presidential candidate jeb bush will not participate in the iowa straw poll. >> that's kind of interesting. >> is that a strategy and what is it? >> well john heilman, the straw poll selected michelle bachmann i think four years ago. so you can say, hey, i'm going to stay out of it. if you are more of a recent candidate. if you are jeb and it's a shock and awe campaign don't you, i'm sure his brother was in the iowa straw poll. >> it's interesting, the straw poll announced the other day they will do their poll differently now, they're getting rid of the fees and make it less of a carnival with all the food and try to make it more of a. >> serious -- >> exercise in democracy rather than -- the notion is to try to make sure everybody participates. so i think there will be -- they are already expressing dismay governor bush is not going to par tis pavement he's not an iowa candidate. i think if you run, joe, you

calm it shock and awe, as the prumttive front runner you got to kind of play. >> the desmoines register reports bush will stred an attend for the red state in atlanta. he is the first republican name to officially opt out. he placed recent 7th. meanwhile, two days later and bush is still paying for iraq. >> on the subject of iraq obviously very controversial, knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have. so would have hillary clinton, just to remind everybody. so would almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got. >> so we played that yesterday. >> yeah. >> i said he must have misunderstood the question because he was talking in past tense. shelves talking in present tense. what you know now, would you? he said well what we knew then obviously i would have and

hillary would have. >> he says they have hillary, which makes it sound as though he was. >> he was in the past. >> so bush tried to explain the comments last fight saying he might not have understood the question. >> i interpreted the question wrong i guess. i was talking about given what people knew then would you have done it rather than knowing what we know now? >> so in other words, if in 2020 hindsight, you would make a different decision? >> yeah, i don't know what that decision would have been. that's a hypothetical. the simple fact is mistakes were made as they always are in life. >> okay. you stuck your hand in a brender in 2003. that didn't really turn out well. your friends call you stub by now. but given the chance if you could do it again and make that choice stub by in 2015 would you still have stuck your hand in that blender? well that's a hypothetical question. really. i mean we don't know. >> mistakes were made when i

stuck my hand in that blender as they are often in life. >> he was hell bent to hillary to the point that he ignored the question. he is not able to hear things correctly. as i have been told he is extremely intelligent. he made a political decision to answer the question in a complete different way. so make a political -- >> no we went in because of wmds. we were wrong. then we were trapped there for a decade. it's 4,000 americans killed cost us over a trillion dollars. it set loose a klain of events we are still paying for today s. that really a hypothetical question or a hel no? >> the bottom line is would you have gone to war knowing you know now. i think the answer to that question is. but he served a -- and i wonder how much of that is not wanting to step on his brother and trash

his brother's legacy. >> i think in some ways it matters what the answer is. it matters less what the answer is. you could make the argument yes, i still would, here's why. but he's not making that argument. what he is doing is not answering the question. to me this is the core questions, one of the core questions of his campaign. he has known this as long as he was running for president. will you get asked the question. he doesn't have an answer. >> we always know about mitt romney winding up to run and not knowing how to hand him the romney care questions off the bat. jobe bush knew this question was coming for four years. he's bobbled it around, a hypothetical is is not an answer. >> to heck with your brother. you give the answer you would give give. >> you are equivocating about

your brother. >> i don't know why you say hypothetical instead of saying. it's not like hillary clinton didn't know we were going to talk about the foundation. >> you got to have answers to the questions you know are coming. >> there are republicans who were asked the question, it's so interesting to see how they answer it. they could say they didn't make the same mistake. take a look. >> knowing then that we know now, no wmd in iraq et cetera was that the right decision to go to war? >> no it wasn't. i don't think you can honestly say if we knew then there was no wmd that the country should have gone to war. so my answer would be no. >> knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion of iraq? >> of course not. i mean the entire predicate of the war against iraq was the intelligence that showed they had weapons of mass destruction and there was a real risk they might use them. now, i would note there was a bipartisan consensus, both republicans and democrats

concluded it was a real threat. we now know that intelligence was false and without that predicate, there is no way we would have gone to war with iraq. >> joe, if chris christie had a brother who invaded iraq would he answer it differently? >> i don't know. it's a hypothetical question. the answer is no whether your brother is running or ran the country and started the war or not, the answer is clearly. the justification was wmds. we were concerned about an imminent threat a year after 9-11 when the intelligence services were saying imfent threat could be there. it made sense for john edwards and hillary clinton and most democrats in the senate to support the war. looking back removing that wmd threat jonathan capehart makes absolutely no sense and this should not be so difficult for jeb bush. >> it shouldn't and this

highlights sort of the vice that he's in. remember when he first, when the speculation was first out there that he was going to run. he was asked the question about his brother and brother's legacy how he'd be tied to it. he said he loves his brother. he loves his father very much. but he is his own person and this question his question his answers to this one question shows that he's not able to be his own person. he is shackled to his brother president george w. bush. i think it was you, joe, who said he still, maybe it was heilman still has not figured out the answer to this question that we all know he is going to be asked. >> it's pretty simple. i think it may highlight he is so scared of hillary that he'll lurch for any opportunity to go after her than to answer a question honestly. so she must be formidable. >> i don't want to be scared of hillary. that was not the question.

>> if that were going to be my general election opponent i'd bring her up too. the thing is if the press is going, it's sort of a preemptive strike. if the press is going to be obsessed on iraq in 2003 then you just start reminding people what hillary did and what john edwards did and what john kerry did. >> that could be. >> i'd like to hear hillary's direct answer to that question. she voted for it. >> she answered that in 2008. eventually she got to the point. >> it took her a while. she got to the place she apologized and eventually got, grudgely gave her fits. she got there. >> there is an opportunity for jeb bush to be his own man? he was not. >> you got to come back to it again and again, for all the fixation on common core and integration, those are not the biggest problem he has. he has not figured it out. it's not just a problem with democrats who don't like george

w. bush. it's a problem in the republican party as witnessed by the conservative criticism of this answer. >> i thought it was fascinating, yesterday afternoon i saw the quote he said he will be making a major decision in the next couple months. he still hasn't made his mind up yet. >> do you believe that? given campaign infrastructure he's got built the amount of money he raised for a super pack it seems extraordinarily strange. >> maybe he isn't having that joyous experience on the campaign trail, maybe he could say, you know what i'm not going to do it. >> it's not outside the realm of theoretical possibility. although that is a hypothetical, joe. >> that is. >> that's a real hypothetical actually. coming up the amtrak accident, federal investigators arriving on the scene this morning. plus, richard hough is here with

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>> crawl forward, sir. come on man. >> keep crawling okay? >> that's frightening. look at that. this is instagram video from inside that derailed amtrak train as people tried to crawl out last night. this morning, we are getting the first daylight look at the depth of the after math of destruction. we want to update you on the latest five people are dead more than 60 people are injured. at least six people are in critical condition. officials say not everyone is accounted for yet. train 188 reported washington, d.c. and was headed to new york city when it crashed in philadelphia. 243 people were on board. amtrak is suspended between new york and philadelphia. amtrak has had nine train derailments, the same as 2013 and 2014 combined according to federal railroad administration. >> i want to bring right now the president of the council on foreign relations, we have a lot

to talk to you ability. i want to first talk about infrastructure, infrastructure investment. we talked about it on the show for five seven years, we shine and other competitors are doubling down, tripling down on theirs. it is i said it was the arteries of our economy and they are corroding and what do you see if terms of lost revenue, lost opportunity, because we failed to make the investment? >> 100% right. it's billions of lost revenue every year our competitiveness suffers. and this is if there ever was a no-brainer this ought to be it. you can do it with very little public money. most of the money can be private. it's very good for jobs. after once you got i.t. makes you more competitive which creates jobs. why democrats and republicans can't get together. this ought to be the one issue people can be behind. on top of it you have safety. >> this is incredible. >> you do look at some of the problems on the track.

mica and i talk about it all the time, every time you land at jfk, when you go outside of jfk, are you stuck if traffic in a parking lot nine out of ten times for an hour before you get to move anywhere. think about all the lost productivity. by the way and yes it takes an hour sometimes if you are on some of the delta flights to get from the end of the terminal and your dates out to the car. s the a colossal way -- >> it's about complaining. >> this is about american productive, people moving around instead of being in officers working, creating things making money for their company, for their community, having mo into bring home for their family. >> it's the document. how much of our gdp do we lose joe biden said he landed at laguardia, it was a third world

airport. no, the third world airports are better. we should be third world when it comes to infrastructure. it would be improvement. >> is there a fourth world airport? >> we have accomplished that goal. >> what's the problem. you say it's a no-brainer it wouldn't take that much money, it's a lot of private money, what is standing in the way of this. >> again there is people in walk on the republican side who don't want to have any new federal spending and then there is the question of also you got to be careful on how the money is spent. look at the new york subway a multi-billion dollar subway station. what we got to make sure if we have a large spending on the infrastructure, it doesn't become politicized. you got to get out from under the political process. you actually get good stock that essentially passes the market test. it's almost like a lot of other things in politics. you got to figure out a way to park it outside. so it isn't politicizing.

it's infrastructure in court. >> you are right. it needs to be passed by the market test. you can look at anything. you talk about education. people say, let's keep piling money to education. i believe in that. before we pile more and more money into public education, we're a country that spends more money per student than any other country in the world, public schools. make them more competitive. get them out of the 1950s. there are great public schools. there are bad public schools t. investment halls not paid off. you look at the percentage of numbers of where we rank in math and science, make the investment. it's got to be a wise investment. it's the same thing with infrastructure and r&d and defense. >> almost every single policy issue, it's less how much you spend than you spend it. this falls under that category. >> so it's not surprising. one of the first things that came to mind when you saw this is to think about. we started the show this morning talking about how it just feels like you are going back about 50

years getting on these trains which in some way, we don't know exactly what caused it. having said that, it's legitimate t. infrastructure issue. the fact that these are old. >> you have to hope something like this is degalvanizes things. it gets the political process running. >> those pictures are unbelievable. of course, a lot more coming in. there are people unaccounted for. so we are following this breaking news story as well. >> a lot to get to. congressman paul ryan white house press secretary josh ernest new york city mayor, bill de blasio senator claire mccaskill. it's murders row, they all join us straight ahead on "morning joe." . there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet

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it's al qaeda in yemen. it's al qaeda in somalia. it's al qaeda in north africa. it's the corazon group in syria. if we don't stay focused on these guys and keep the pressure on them and don't deal with the bigger issue of how do you stop the radicalization of young men and women then we will face another 9-11 here no doubt about it. >> a fascinating conversation yesterday morning with michael more relevant acting cia director assessing the looming terror threat across the globe, joining us the rank select committee congressman adjeiam sclif. these people didn't have direct links but were inspired by isis. how concerned are you about that kind of attack those lone wolf inspired attacks? >> i'm very concerned about i. i think this is going to be a problem that we'll have for quite some time.

we have reduced the chances of having another massive 9-11 attack and i know mike morel and the key vulnerability on our airports are far too insecure. but the broader problem now is this diffuse threat set where people can be radicalized online, where isis is making very prolific use of social media, encourage people to go out and use gun, you use their car, use a hatchet, whatever they have accessible to commit these acts and it's very hard to stop when one may not be in communication with people oversea, nonetheless, radicalized over this social media and we've and we heard congressman from people who said there are 90,000 electronic messages passing around the world between isis and extremist groups every day, how on earth

do you contain that threat? >> it's a great question. there are some opinion leaders if you will within isis and obviously we're going after them as part of a broad military campaign in places like iraq and syria. probably the more significant effort at home is trying to work with community leaders, work with the faith community to identify people that are at risk of radicalization. try to give parents of a child they fear may be becoming radicalized. an alternative to calling the police and having that person sent to jail. we need a fairly broad spectrum approach. in terms of though the ideology of isis that they're so effectively propagateing social media, there we really need the help of the leaders of the muslim world. we i think as a government don't have much credibility in talking about what islam is and isn't. those voices to be authentic need to come within the muslim world. we need the help and encourage and support that. >> richard haase. >> it starts from there. the president is about to meet with many of the leaders in the

muslim world at camp david. what is the one thing you would have him say to the senators bahrain and the uae and other three countries? >> there is a lot i would have him say on the whole topic of countering iran's hegemony and the per version of isis, i would urge them to speak out. get moms to speak out about what islam is and isn't. in particular with some of the gulf countries, the school of teaching can often border on radical islam and i would urge them to try to reign in that and make it clear that the islam that they are teaching in their country does not lead to violent jihad in this kind of per version of the faith. we do see i think leadership in egypt and jordan on this front, but we need it to be much more widespread and that i think ought to be one of the definite talking points today. >> all right, congressman adam

schiff of california. congressman, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> richard haase, you have given us a couple numbers. we got a lot to get to. >> the global report card. >> first of all, overall, the u.s. spends 2% of its bucket on infrastructure. china 9%. india, 8%. ten years ago, we rank fifth if infrastructure in the world. now we rank 24th behind malaysia, oman and a lot of other countries. 4 billion hours wasted by americans every year in traffic. 80 billion wasted in time and gas. $230 billion wasted in car accidents in large part because of faulty infrastructure. you got medical costs, lost production, work place costs, attorneys, et cetera et cetera et cetera. this is no way to run a country. as we move into the age of terror, where they're going to be more home grown attacks here your response to terror to make

sure fewer people do you i if terrorist attacks that we know come is having an infrastructure that knows how to withstand that withstand even you know nature like from sandy and other katrina. >> there are lots of things you can't prevent. it turns out resilience the ability to absorb and bounce back is one of the more characteristics of a successful society. i don't care whether you talk about the tornadoes earlier this week or terrorism. it's everything from your electricity grid or your travel infrastructure medical, what have you. >> that is something again we are not modernizing and not investing. >> steve radner brings charts you bring report cards? >> who are you grading and why? >> we set off a global think tanks. a council of councils we have graded the world on dealing with the global challenges of the day, stopping internal conflicts, dealing with climate,

dealing with ebola. >> how do you deal specifically on iran? >> iran actually gets a decent grade in terms of preventing nuclear proliferation. the overall grade is a gentleman c. pretty bad. the disagreements between and among the powers is deep and wide. plus you got all these other players who aren't on board. on something like cyber, we barely begun to set the rules for the world. >> a d minus. >> they wouldn't fail me. >> really. >> you go at the time one b you can tell your parents about a. lot of cs and a d. >> d is actually because of syria. the lowest grade is the world's failure to do anything. >> how we allow that to happen, it's mind-boggling. it's so ironic samantha power writes a book about how we waited too long to act on bosnia. in fact, we acted a lot faster on bosnia than this

administration acted on syria. >> interesting, you talk before about iraq. arguably, the record is clear, the united states did too much in 2003 and we're still paying for it. syria is where we did too little. we have gotten along and put it in different places. >> i was thinking about it. it's about rwanda. the book is valid. >> john heilman, no thanks. still ahead, white house press -- >> you spend all your time correcting. >> that is right. i'm sorry. it was for me to go back fine fae, '94? genocide. >> it's actually a more urgent example. it's a persistent problem we continue to make over and order and over again. >> that happened fairly quickly. >> more recently the same people got us dmoo libya under unclear pretext and didn't follow up. we created a failed state. >> bill clinton said not intervene physical rwanda is his

biggest legacy. you wonder if president obama will feel that about syria. >> on the global report card if you do bhadly on these grades where does the responsibility lie? obviously, to some extent. >> it's basically, you can't blame the u.n. it's everyone who is a part of it. it's the leading countries of the world that simply are not on the same page. >> richard, thank you. white house press secretary josh ernest joins us live to discuss the democratic deflections on the trade bill. we'll have more on the train derailment. details coming up. .

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>> we're breaking in at the top of the hour live at philadelphia at temple university hospital just confirmed the sixth person has died from this train derailment, this crash overnight. let's listen in. >> yeah there was a sixth victim who died here last night. i can't release the sex or the identity because the next of kin doesn't know yet. >> inaudible question ]. >> yeah. i can't state. >> talk about the level of mass casualty -- [ inaudible ] who does that come from? >> the level 4 mass casualty is called by the senior emergency department or trauma team. that triggers all the folks coming in from home who aren't already here. because it was nighttime the day

time folks had gone home. anyone leaving a shift, we stopped and made sure we didn't need them. they stayed and helped out. it worked splendidly. we really got everything done and the folks triaged and to the right place within a few hours. i wondered if there would be more people with ex56 thes later, so we cleared out as much as we could, wondering if there would be more folks found later. there were not many late people coming in. >> [ inaudible question ]inaudible question ]. >> i don't know. >> are you, is anybody in contact with the ntsb are you expecting any more patients arriving are you finding any others? >> i'm not sure if there are. we were in contact with the city of philadelphia the police department the fire department all the usual folks overnight. >> you are not aware of any other patients? >> i'm not aware of any more coming in.

>> inaudible question ] >> yes, 54 showed up here. we still have 25 in the hospital. the rest were treated and released. there was one person that died and many are in critical condition. most of the injuries were to the limbs. >> 25 still here? >> the person that died was it upon arriving? >> the person died here. we attempted to resuscitate the person. they couldn't be revived from their injuries. >> eight critical in the operating room? >> they're out now. >> the five in the hospital are things calming down? >> things are calming down. we're having normal operating schedule today. the regular cases are getting done. >> [ inaudible question ] it was a late victim that died? >> yeah here yeah. there was a victim that died here after the five that were reported at the scene. >> is temple taking the patients

out of the entire -- >> i don't know, you guys probably know that better than me. i have been heads down in the e.d. all night so i don't know how the numbers came out. inaudible question ] >> i don't know. you have to look back in the archives and figure that one out. yeah, but we're prepared and ready to act when something like this hams. >> explain the trauma level and what that hands on deck. so staff don't go home and we call in extra staff to make sure we have enough people to respond to the emergency. because it's not just nurses and doctors, it's everybody else in the hospital that makes it work. folks in the laboratorybank cafeteria workers so we can provide food and water for people responding to the mortgages room to the family interpreters, the whole thing, it takes a village. >> were the patients describing

the scene in that derailment? what did they tell you happened sh. >> the patients who were waiting to talk to me were folks in the last two cars. i didn't speak to anyone awake further ahead in the train. so they said it was chaotic and they said it was chaotic and difficult and the folks that i talked to, were injured, people fell on them or things fell on them in the train. >> inaudible question ] >> yes i don't know. >> you thought those able to talk were more further up? >> yeah. all the people that were amake i wake and talked to me were in the last two cars. >> were there any inpatients here in. >> not that i'm aware of. we were already for burn patients. it didn't happen. >> farce you are aware, the patients who had the most severe injuries were in the first few cars? >> i don't know. all i know is the ones in the back were the ones who were

talking. >> so they had the least amount of injurys? >> did you take patients to other hospitals? >> we took patients to episcopal. 12 patients showed up there. nine were treatened and released. three were sent there. those three are in the 54 number. >> could you give us some perspective, is there anything in terms of another incident here the trauma level, the amount of people? >> yeah i don't know the specific incidents in the city of philadelphia compares to but it was a large incident. yeah. yeah. >> all right. folks, i think that's good. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. >> okay. you have been listening to dr. herbert cushing the chief medical officer at temple hospital dealing with talking about dealing with the sudden onslaught of victims brought into his e.r. last night. 54 patient, 25 treated and released. 25 still in the hospital. one died overnight making the

death toll six in the massive crash derailment of train 188 enroutes from d.c. to new york city last night about 9:30 p.m.. >> also, willie he talked about where the more extreme injuries seem to be up front. he said the further back he was able to talk to more of the passengers suggesting that it was actually those up front that bor the brunt of this tragedy. >> as you look at this overhead picture taken early this morning, that sort of makes sense, based on what he said. he didn't know specifically what happened. he can only judge whether or not the patients were conscious and the ones towards the back of the plane were conscious. we reported six critical injuries overnight. one reported dr. cushing has died. that was one of the hospitals of many in the philadelphia area. many world class hospitals we should point out, close by. so we may get reports from those other hospitals soon. let's hope you don't hear more reports of those critical injuries turning into deaths.

>> most of the injuries now he said are limbs. >> a lot of people have been allowed to go home. 243 people were on board train 188 when it departed from walk. it was headed here to new york city. amtrak service between philadelphia and new york remains suspended at this hour. the train apparently was going around a bend or entering a turnabout 9:30 when passengers say it shookd it rocked it came to a sudden crashing stop willie. >> let's go to rehema ellis live in philadelphia with the latest on this story. for people waking up to this story, a recap if you could and tell us what you are seeing there. >> absolutely. more people are finding out now is what the doctor mentioned is that this was a scene where it became a case of all hands on deck from hospital personnel to 200 officers out on this scene, local state and federal officials came out to survey the damage here. behind me just beyond where you

could see the flashing lights that is the accident scene. a horrifying tragedy on the trains tracks early, we were dealing with it overnight. but it happened yet evening around 9:30 on so. the 911 call came in. all of the responders came to this scene for what seven described i describing is a horrific scene where these trains collided on top of each other. >> that they crumbled. in fact, what we are hearing now is is that three heavy cranes are on site and one of the issues that i have to deal with is these trains on top of one another. what they will find when they remove one train from off of another, we do not know yet. we also know that the ntsb is on site and they're going to be asking some of the most critical questions because as you know we know what happened that this train derailed as it was going around the bend. after it left the philadelphia station. but the questions we don't know

is why it derailed. they will find out how fast was the train going, at what point did they apply the brakes. what would the tox col report reveal on the engineer driving this train at that time. questions that everybody will be wanting to know the answers to and about all of those accounted for. we talked to passenger, including an nbc news producer who was on that train. she talked about how people were screaming and it was horrifying as she tried to get out and even took some pictures which we'll be able to show you at some point of how people got out of that train. some able to get out alive. back to you. >> as you point out, they're still pulling apart that wreck annual. rehema ellis in philadelphia thank you. let's get on the phone now and talk to a former pennsylvania governor and mayor ed rendell. ed, your first impressions. >> well, they say it was the worst thing he has ever seen if

his life. it's all sorts of tragedy, all sorts of significant incidents. for him to say that is it's a horrible crash and it point out again, joe, how terrible our nation's infrastructure is. these trains try to generate speed. but the track bends is curved and where the crash occurred, it's a very curved section of track and you can't run any sort of speed trains on curved track. it's the reason the asela only averages 80 miles an hour on its trips from washington to boston. the track is insufficient. it's curved. it's all the wrong things. if you went to asia or europe and saw the high speed trains they're all on a dedicated line. they're all straight as an arrow. it's just embarrassing what we do -- >> we have richard haase from

foreign reels, adds some meat to those bones on the embarrassment, united states pays 2% every year on infrastructure. china %. india 8%. we were ranked fifth ten years ago in infrastructure. now we are ranked 24th behind countries like barbados malaysia and oman and of course this morning we are talking about safety. we are talking about people who lost their lives because of our third world infrastructure but there also has a lot to do with money. $4 billion wasted with people stuck in traffic. and we just saw a report from richard haase that in the next few years, we will lose up to 1% of america's gross domestic product based on our shortcomeings and infrastructure. this is aest safety issue. this is a money issue, too. >> it's a safety issue. it's economic competitiveness issue. there is no question joe, we're

pig headed and not whethering to invest. we should be investing in our infrastructure. it's also a great use of the middle class jobs the politicians talk about all the time t. bottom line is how many tragedies do we have to go to. what will happen for two weeks people will say we have to do something about our infrastructure and move on. >> so what happened with the stimulus bill did we spend money? we spent a lot of money on the stimulus package him did that go towards infrastructure any of it? >> not enough. barbara boxer who don't agree today is wednesday, both agree that more of the stimulus bill should have been dedicated to infrastructure. it was about $70 billion. there were $350 billion of tax cuts as far as i can tell cut almost no republican votes. it was put into a track republican votes. it didn't do a whole lot of.

boxer tried to get legislation to trip tell amount of infrastructure and stimulus. they didn't do it. the problem with doing stimulus infrastructure, joe, it's a quick shot in the arm. >> right. >> what we need is ten, 15 year long term program. >> the investments. >> how you spend it. >> the investment bank that you always talk about. >> absolutely. >> this accident if philadelphia is the ninth derailment so far this year for amtrak. >> that is the same number as 2013 and 2014 combined. just two months ago, the u.s. house approved $1.4 billion a year in funding for amtrak by comparison. to give you a perspective here. by comparison china will spend nearly $130 billion per year on its ail rail system. >> stop right there. a lot of time this argument is about, people say, oh, that's tax subsidies for a program that can't work. actually ridership on amtrak is

up. but this is about investment in the economy. this is investment in the infrastructure. >> in our future. >> in our economic future. few don't care about anything else this is an economic investment. china is at $128 billion. year at $1.4 billion. there is a reason. >> joe consider there with is one statistic. by the year 2040 there will be 30 million more cars on i-95. can you imagine i-95 with 30 million new cars? >>. i-95 doesn't work now. the merit parkway doesn't work now. you get stuck in traffic on a saturday afternoon, 400 in the afternoon, it's a parking lot this past weekend. our infrastructure is an absolute joke. again, this comes down to lost work hours. this comes down to lost quality

of life and lost lives. this is simple. >> amtrak ridership soared by about 50% in the last 15 years, obviously, they haven't been able to accommodate this. use on the northeast corridor hit an all time high last year. you know it's just our general reflection, willie getting on one of these train, riding in them, they feel old, completely out of date. >> especially the one that crashed yesterday. the asela feels a little more modern. although it doesn't travel nearly as fast as it should for a high speed train. these regional trains feel old. governor, our concern is first and foremost with the victims of this crash. but you do have a moment to discuss perhaps what caused it. what's the first thing you would do right now to fix our infrastructure problem? what can washington do? you testified on capitol hill. you formed groups to address infrastructure. what's the problem, how do you fix it? >> well if i were president i

had no interest in spending two years in iowa or new hampshire. if i were president, i would convene a commission for three months and say give me a well thought out ten-year infrastructure revitalization program. tell me how we fund it. don't be shy to raise revenue. when you invest you have as to raise revenue. every company in this country has grown strong investing in their own growth. three months we got enough experts out there, willie who could put a plan together. let's clean up public safety. let's become more economically competitive. by the way, we create millions literally millions to well paying middle class jobs to factories and on construction sites. >> all right. let's go right now. thank you so much golf. we greatly appreciate it. let's go back to philadelphia stephanie gosk is live in an area at frankford hospital.

>> stephanie, what can you tell us at this point? >> reporter: good morning, guys, this is 21 of four hospitals that received patients overnight. 26 of the injured were brought here. we are told five were critically wounded and of course six have died. we expect to get to more details over the course of the day on those numbers. you look at that crash scene. you consider that on these train, there are no seatbelts and it doesn't take much even when it's working the way it's supposed to work to get knocked around. every single one of these cars on this train got knocked off the tracks. they were either toppled, some of them ripped apart. the injuries they are seeing range from things like broken bones and lacerations to obviously the more traumatic. we will hear more about that as we go out throughout the day. guys. >> stephanie gosk thank you very much. as we are looking at these aerial views of this it's hard to imagine being in one of those cars about a seatbelt fund and with loose baggage and chairs

that disengage. those massive chairs. it's amazing. people must be terribly injured. it's amazing, a lot of people walked away from this. we found out in the past 20 minutes there is now a sixth fatality a. person died overnight at temple university hospital. now it's six dead. over 140 injured. several dozen have been able to go home today. we are still dealing with a pretty bad six here in philadelphia. still ahead on morning joe, it's the issue uniting new york's progressive mayor with a plain state republican democrat bill de blasio joins us with oklahoma city's mick cornet. also the air force is leaning on isis. we will talk to its chief of staff, general mark welsh about the military mission that lets more boots on the ground and more bombs from the sky. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. idaho?

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with us now air force chief of staff general mark welsh.

mark barnacle john capehart as well, general, talk about the fight against isis knocked groups oak, the bombs from above. what's going on? >> i think the general who oversees this is to keep the different lines of effort ongoing for our nation moving forward at about the same pace there is a train and equip force on the ground and there is of course a diplomatic effort. the intent is to keep it all in balance and not create more opportunity for more dissension on the ground. >> you have a lot of people that said you couldn't win the wars from above. what's the situation if isis? against isis? how much damage can we do to isis. at what point are there limits to air power? >> i think a lot of damage is done. they're fought able to mass and move forward as they were if you remember last summer and early fall. they're not able to put forces

together in a big way to move to a city. they've had to build defensive positions, which become tarts. we have been able to go after their leadership their financial infrastructure. their ability to expand their recruiting base. we are doing everything we can to degrade them to delay them until we get a ground force to go if and control and in state. >> to put a counterargument, there are serious limitation you will be bombing for nine months now. they haven't been that degraded much in syria. they have gone back and forth and they are managing to recruit and to some extent they have been degraded more by the oil price than anything else. so at some point this has to transfer, doesn't it into a more serious ground operation? >> clearly it does. >> that has been the intent from the beginning. this is a long term effort. it's not going to happen fast if we have to train a ground force. training is now beginning. people are actually in the

training program. it's in infant stages clearly, that has to go along with the air campaign. >> when would you see that happening in syria? the air to ground operation? >> i'm not the guy making that decision. >> mike barnacle. >> in terms of specificity, how confident are you in the success of strikes that it's noted on the ground we have a lack of capability and targeting targets. >> mike, i'm actually very confident, once a decision is engaged, it will be it. our rate is exception ally good. i believe when we look back on this it will be the most precise air campaign in history. there are a lot of targets hit, somewhere between 15 to 25 today. it's not a massive air campaign it is very precise. >> general how difficult is the syria question it seems iraq has been isis is more degraded tan syria. syria creates a whole host of

problems, how tough is it from your point of view? >> it's a very tough problem. there are a lot of factors from regime to multiple forces on the ground competing with each other. i think this is where our national policy-makers are spending much of their effort where do you go with that militant? >> we want to turn back to the train derailment in philadelphia where there are six fatality the producer janell richards joins us now. jan em. what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi, i was traveling on the train yesterday evening from washington, d.c. to new york and we were in individual and all of a sudden i heard a loud, loud crash. the next thing i knew i was lifted a little bit out of my seat and mainly thrown forward and back. forward and back and as quickly as it happened, it stopped and

the next thing i knew i saw smoke starting to fill the car. i looked to my left. there was a woman with blood coming down her face and everyone was kind of shouting out, what happened, what happened? how do we get off here? >> janell your video, the chaotic crush to get off that train. tell us what that was like? it seems like everything was ham in the dark. but there was no light coming from anywhere. >> reporter: right, everything was happening in the dark the train lights were on. there was light that came on on the train so we can definitely see a little bit. it was darker tan the required i asked the woman in the aisle. she said she was okay. everybody that could move started making their way to the exit. when i got there, i saw people trying to open the door. so i called 911 and told them where we were or tried to explain what had happened and i

didn't know actually where we were from our trip. and that's when i shot that video of passengers trying to get the door opened which they finally did. >> janell we know you are in between lots of different live shots. we'd love tough back in with us with this story. >> stay with us for a minute. we want to thank the general. general thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you sir. >> we greatly appreciate it. what's next? >> well first thing is us worrying about the victims in this train crash in philadelphia. our hearts go out to them. >> it's unbelievable. so many of us ride this train. willie and i were talking about infrastructure earlier, felt like these trains are not up to par to an extent. looking into the cause of this and what happened and why will be fascinating, especially in terms of the big picture and our infrastructure. >> we appreciate you coming in. it's a great honor. coming up other lawmakers are weighing in the war of

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breaking news out of philadelphia. the train derailment sixth casualty at this point overnight. >> that news out of temple university hospital. joining us now from the white house, we have police secretary josh ernest. ogood to have you on this morning. >> good morning, mica. let's jump to one of the big stories involving the white house in the past 24 hours. >> that is president obama's criticism of senator elizabeth warren on the trade deal. how he phrased it. there is one democratic senator schaar rod brown saying it's a little disrespectful. did the president, programs overplay a bit? would he have spoken about a senator this way? >> mica i can give you all the references the president referring to a former senate by his first name. senator warren used it in the nation. he has a personal relationship with senator warren it's not surprising he calls herbie her first name. the fact is we can have a disagreement on substantive

issues, but the fact is we agree on both of them. president obama and for warren and other democrats in the united states senate have worked toke on a variety of issues critically important to middle class family whether that's implementing wall street reform or a bucket that reflects the economic reform for middle class families. usually, they're able to fight along side democrats n. this case, we have a fundamental agreement. >> what is your reaction to sharod brown a liberal democrat saying the president was sexist in his comments towards senator warren? >> joe as somebody who gets paid to talk in public for a lig, i try to be mindful of at least slow to criticize people who say things in public so inconsistent with their reputation and with their character and senator brown is somebody that has a good relationship with the president. they've worked effectively on a

range of issues confirming the first woman to be the chair of the federal reserve. senator brown is a stnd-up guy. i'm confident after he's had a chance to look at the comments he made yesterday that he'll find a way to apologize. >> what about the national organization for women, chief, saying the president's remarks were sexist? >> look. joe, there is ample evidence of the president calling other senators by their first name and the fact is. >> is that what it's about, calling by your first name? >> that's what they said. >> because he goes by the first name? he's sexist? >> it seems hard to believe. >> that's what senator brown said. >> the fact is we can have a disagreement on this trade issue and we do. there is a fundamental disagreement here. we can do that without being disagreeable. the president believes acting on the trade agreement, getting

what he needs from congress to enforce it it's clearly in the long-term best interests of the country, our economy and middle class. >> mike barnacle. >> josh, yesterday, i was looking at a list of united states senators who came down to the white house to meet with the president over the trade bill he mentioned senators brown and senators warren have points of difficulty with the existing trade bill. i'm wondering just in terms of getting along and moving everything forward and everybody on the same page. why weren't senators brown and warren included in a meeting like this? >> mike that's a good question. the people the president met yesterday here at the white house were democrats who have previously supported this trade promotion authority legislation. they have supported this idea congress should give the president the authority he fled to complete this trade agreement and to enforce it and what we basically want to do is we will work through this procedural

snafu the senate hit yesterday and get on with the bills so the presidents can cast their vote in favor of the trade promotion authority. it's well known senator brown and warren are senators who don't support the bill. that's fine. we have a disagreement with them about that. >> why not have them down and schmooz them a little. >> well they're not going to change their vote. theyed a have aens the trade legislation. the president sat down to meet with them to figure out exactly how to do that. >> can i ask you, josh getting to the president's comments yesterday. do we have those comments from a couple things you wanted to talk about the bipartisan summit on poverty. first of all, tell us what the president wanted his message to be yesterday in george town? >> well joe, i think what the president had in mind was he wanted to make clear that expanding economic opportunity for every american is not just a priority of his administration,

but this should be an area where we can find bipartisan common ground. it doesn't have to be an idea logical debate about whether or not every american should have a fair shot, a fair shake. i think that was the focus of the discussion they had yesterday. >> were you, i am sure you will be asked this question many times in your next press briefing, but the president was critical of people who went to private schools and sent tear children to private schools and plays at private clubs and well every alarm should be going off. do you have that clip? let's play that clip first. >> those who are doing better and better more skilled, educated luckier, having greater advantages are withdrawing from sort of the common, kids start going to private schools. kids start working out at private clubs instead of the

public parks. an anti-government idea ol disinvests from those common goods and those things that draw us towing and that in part contributes to the fact that there is less opportunity for our kids. >> obviously, the man has said it went to the best prep school in hawaii and went to the best private colleges in the united states, his children who i don't think it's anybody's business where they send their children but if the president is going to criticize people who send their children to private schools,b he has to recognize, obviously, that he sends his children to the best schools in walk possibly america. how does he is there a self critique against himself, the mistakes he's made? what was the president trying to get at there? >> joe the pointed the

president was making is it's important for us to recognize it as a country. we all have an interest in investing in the common benefits that our country has to offer. >> right. >> reporter: his point is that even if you send your kids to private school we all have an interest in making sure we have good high quality public schools available to everybody. it's not that far from the white house that we do have some of the best public schools in the country over in fairfax county virginia. that is an example. >> that is also a more wealthy than average county in the country. >> that is an example of a society of a community that has invested in a common good for the benefit of their community and that's the kind of thing that we need to see all across the country. whether that is something as simple as investing in our national parks or local parks or public schools or making sure that every single american has access to quality health insurance. >> so did the president consider sending its children to public schools? again, none of my business unless he is criticizing

americans who send their children to private schools. >> again, i don't think he's criticizing sending people to private schools. he's suggesting all americans need to keep in mind it's in our collective interest as a country and as citizens for us to invest in the common good for us to invest and make sure we have good quality public schools available for everybody so that everybody has a fair shot. everybody has a fair shake. everybody has an equal opportunity to succeed and will let their ambition and hard work take them as far as it will carry them. >> that is what this country is all about. we start to lose sight of those basic values in this country the we start to retract into our own private clubs and schools and lose sight of the fact if we lose interest that we want those public schools to be good. >> please let the president also, i got a name of a couple public golf courses. my comment is one of the best. i'd love to take him on a

crowned u round out there. public beautiful. >> it's great. >> josh ernest thank you so much they're screaming in my ear. you might have another interview. always great seeing you. >> thank you guys. >> let's go back to our top story to that train derailment in philadelphia where six people now are dead. five died last night. another reported died overnight. nbc's tom costello was flying in a helicopter above the scene. tell us what you are seeing. >> reporter: good morning, we're near philadelphia. we are 2,000 feet you have an incredible view. the train is twisted and broken on the tracks there. we have seen several big trains moving this morning. the job will be to right those train cars candidly they want to get them up to begin to move and clean up this mess. the more immediate concern is they're looking for victims. they want to make sure nobody

nobody is involved or caught up in that twisted metal. nobody is under nooeft these cars. so they've also had dogs on the scene sniffing the area smelling for any signs of human life or any signs of cadavers candidly right there in the wreckage. the ntsb go team is on the scene. this is a massive investigation. it's going to involve not only the ntsb but the federal rail authority and, of course you would expect that the pennsylvania state police will be involved. there will be all sorts of elements to this. they will look at the data from the black box on board the train. that will give them the at theo the at the lemetry, did it obey the track signals the condition on the track the condition of the wheels on board the train. then they need to do the full forensics analysis involving the

individual, the conductors the engineers, they will be doing the blood tox col report looking for any signs of alcohol or drugs or things like that. >> that is a normal process, in no way does this suggest something went wrong here in terms of the conductor or the engineer. they got it for the entire process. i suspect this will take weeks or even months guys but as you know right now the northeast corridor from philadelphia to new york is essentially shut down. this is as you know better than anybody else. this is that main artery that comes right through the heart of the i-95 corridor it transports so many people every day between washington, new york and on into boston. so to have that crippled right now will be a major inconvenience to say the least for many up and down the east coast. but the immediate concern is making sure nobody else is still inside the wreckage. guys back to you.

>> tom costello, thank you very much. >> thank you, tom. we have much ahead and we're going to obviously continue looking at the situation here on the ground and also go back to the president's anti-poverty some in george town for some other interesting remarks. >> again the latest breaking news out of philadelphia. the scene of the train derailment. six dead. over 140 injured. they have still looking for some victims potentially unaccounted for. we'll be right back with much more coverage. why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess.

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leeches, or don't want to work are lazy are undeserving, got traction. i have to say that you know if you watch fox news on a regular basis, it is a constant menu they will find like folks who make me mad. i don't know where they find them. like i don't want to work. i just want a free obama phone or whatever and that becomes an entire narrative. right. >> that gets worked up and you very rarely do you hear an interview of a waitress with i is much more typical, who is raising a couple of kids and doing everything right but still can't pay the bills. so if we're going to change how john boehner and mitch mcconnell think, we have to change how our body politics thinks which means we're going to have to

change how the media reports on these issues. >> i mean i don't know where to start. in a bipartisan summit you decide a cable news channel as the problem and saying that roger alwaysiles calls people leeches, sponges, and lazy, that first of all, at a summit that's supposed to bring both sides together on poverty is stunning to me secondly -- and i guess this is the problem -- barack obama says if we are to change the way that john boehner and mitch mcconnell think, then we have to change -- change the way they think? is he really the sole arbitor of what is right and just? is he the only one who cares about the poor? could it be that a lot of people

like me don't think that a top-down approach and trickle-down liberalism works any more than trickle-down conservatism? the arrogance to say if we are to change the way our opponents think -- you know what? maybe he needs the change the way he thinks. >> well -- >> the arrogance of it all is staggering. people have disagreed in this country since george washington had thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton together in the same cabinet. you work out for instances, that's a creative friction. it's not "i'm right, you're wrong." that's such an illuminating moment in this presidency i'm a little embarrassed for him. >> well i've got to tell you, joe, i have to disagree with you. i can understand where you're coming from given the clip that we just showed and it was a clip. but the entire conversation revealed an aspect of the president that i this i is wholly admirable.

because he has a grip on a big problem in this country today, he referenced it several times. we no longer know who the poor are. and it wasn't just about poverty and it wasn't just about race yesterday. there's a huge element of class in this country that he spoke to. what about the specific clip about fox news calling poor people leech, sponges, and lazy. have you ever heard that on fox news? >> no, i have not. >> has anybody ever heard that on fox news. >> i don't really watch. >> has anybody ever watch anybody call the poor lazy and sponges and leeches. >> yes. you hear that -- tush on the radio. turn on talk radio. >> right wing radio. >> i was talking about fox news. >> i have not heard that on fox news. but turn on the radio, hear it all day long. we don't understand who the poor are. being poor is the hardest job in america. >> we all agree. >> he referenced that yesterday

and when he was talking about the schools he was talking about a harvard study, really, that classifies the difficulty of how neighborhoods are broken up today as to way they were 20 30 years ago. >> mike, and i guess here's my point. we all agree on that. we all agree. and so the idea of this summit was to bring people together and this president comes to this summit and he decides to bash fox news and he decides to bash people who send their children to private schools like he does decides the bash people to play golf at private golf clubs like he does. and you just wonder why he has this need to feel self-righteous when just going there and trying to come to common solutions -- >> i don't think he was bashing them. >> you don't think that's bashing when you're calling fox news, people that call the poor leeches, sponges, and lazy. >> not the fox news thing. i'm talking about the references to the golf clubs and -- >> where does the president send his kids. >> in context, he was talking

about class. when you make enough money in this country, you move to a different neighborhood and you leave people who -- because of lack of opportunity can't -- they don't move with you. and you put your kids in private school because you live in a different neighborhood. and you join a club because you can afford to. >> well perhaps the president should be more self-aware. maybe that would have made it better. >> joining this conversation, republican congressman pallul ryan joins us on just this issue. we'll be right back. give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go to your people? ♪ well this summer, stay with choice

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seven cars including the engine are in various stages of disarray turned over upside down, on their side. it is an absolute disastrous mess. i've never seen anything like this in my life and most personnel will say that as well. >> philadelphia mayor michael nutter talking about the crash of this plane overnight. the death toll is rising after a major train derailment in philadelphia. six people are now confirmed dead. more than 140 people were taken to area hospitals and several are in critical condition. moments ago, one doctor spoke out about the injuries at his hospital. >> 25 of those patients were treated and released and 25 are still at the hospital. the entire team responded wonderfully. most of the injuries were mus

musculoskeletal, arms and legs and ribs, the folks that were awake that could talk to me are in the last two cars i didn't speak to anyone that was awake further ahead in the train. they said it was chaotic and difficult. and the folks i talked to were injured because people fell on them or things fell on them in the train. >> federal investigators are at the scene to begin their investigation and crews are working the scene looking for potential bodies. at this hour officials say not everybody is accounted for and they are literally digging through the crumbled -- what's left of some of these cars and even the engine which is crushed, to see if there is anybody underneath any of that. 243 people were on board train 188 when it departed washington, d.c. en route to new york city. amtrak service between new york and philadelphia remains suspended. the train was entering a turn around 9:30 last night when

passengers say it shook and then came to a sudden stop and rocked. nearby residents said it sounded like shopping carts crashing into each other. the location is known to have a big curve with a speed restriction requiring trains to slow down as they approach. it's unclear how fast the train was going. then we have dramatic video showing the conditions inside the train just moments after the crash. >> crawl forward, sir. keep crawling. come on man. >> i got you, okay? okay. keep crawling okay? >> we've been hearing from an nbc news producer who was inside the train and also patrick murphy who is a host at msnbc about the mad dash to get out of the train, how it was chaos, people were panicking and injured. a form of mass of claustrophobia wanting to get out and having to squeeze out of tight spaces just to get the hell out of that

train. nbc's tom costello is in a helicopter over the scene we talked with him a short while ago. >> reporter: we're in wcau's news 10's helicopter. at 2,000 feet you get a staggering view of this disaster. the train is twisted and broken on the tracks there. we have seen several big trains moving this morning. the job is going to be to right those train cars. candidly, they want to get the train cars up to make sure they can begin moving and cleaning up this mess but their more immediate concern is they're still looking for victims. they want to make sure that nobody nobody is involved or caught up in that twisted metal. that nobody's underneath these cars and so they've also had dogs on the scene, sniffing the area smelling for any signs of human life or any signs of cadavers candidly, right there in the wreckage. the ntsb go team is on the scene. this is a massive investigation. it's going to involve not only the ntsb but the federal rail

authority and, of course you would expect that the pennsylvania state police will also be involved. there's going to be all sorts of elements to this. they're going to look at the data from the black box on board the train. that will give them the telemetry, tell them about the speed, how fast the train was moving when it came through this curve. and also did it obey all of the signals, the track signals. they'll be looking at all of that data. they also need to look at the conditions of the tracks, the conditions of the wheels on board the train, then they need to also do the full forensics analysis involving the individuals. the conductors and the engineers. they'll be doing blood toxicology report looking for any signs of alcohol or drugs or anything like that. that's a normal process, in no way does it suggest that they suggest something went wrong here in terms of the conductor or the engineer. but they've got to go through the entire process. i would suspect this will take weeks or months guys but as you know right now the

northeast corridor from philadelphia to new york is essentially shut down. this is, as you know better than anybody else this is the main artery that comes right through the heart of the i-95 corridor. it transports just so many people everyday between washington new york and on up to boston. so to have that crippled is going to be a major inconvenience to say the least for many people up and down the east coast. but the immediate concern is making sure that nobody else is still inside the wreckage. guys, back to you. >> that was tom costello reporting. joining us now from capitol hill homeland security chairman mike mccall. thank you very much for joining us. how does homeland security play a role in this process moving forward? >> it looks more like this is an ntsb safety issue. fortunately, all indicators point to the fact that this was probably not a terrorist event, although we know al qaeda has targeted train passengers

whether it be in spain, the uk, the zazi attempted attack on the new york subway. we have security precautions in place on the trains not quite as stringent as airline passengers but we have canines, we do have officers that screen and look at individuals. but it is a vulnerability with this train system. we all travel this train back and forth. congress will be having oversight hearings on this issue. particularly as it pertains to the safety of rail going back and forth. >> congressman, i'm going to ask you to take your homeland security hat off and president your congressional hat on for your district and speak to the number of freight train accidents we have had over the past several months as well as this horrendous accident last night on the acela line. the amount of money that we spend on infrastructure in this country seems to be woefully

inadequate. why hasn't congress addressed in the a more specific fashion over a more specific period of time? >> well we will be coming up with a highway infrastructure bill. this congress, the chairman of transportation is putting that forward but i agree with you. i think when it comes to rail there are problems. and i think this passenger rail -- i think there have been almost ten derailments on passenger rail which, again, raises the issue of safety as so many passengers travel back and forth. so, you know look we've got to pay for the infrastructure. we've got to find a way to pay for it and that's kind of the big issue up here. >> congressman mike mccaul, thank you. hopefully the money -- you come up with the money and it's used wisely. thank you very much. joining us now, congressman patrick murphy. he was on board the train last night when it derailed. patrick, you had a pretty harrowing story.

if you could take us through what happened. are you at the scene again at this point? >> yeah i came mika right from there. that's where i disembarked the train. i was there last night right beside the tracks until we got most of the folks off and then i was there until way in the morning and basically went home and shaved and showered. but it was -- it was pretty horrific mika. >> we're looking at the pictures that you tweeted out. you were able to capture the hell, quite frankly, that took place inside that train. tell us from your perspective from the moment it happened what went down. >> it was a regular regional amtrak train from washington toward new york. i get off at the trenton stop because i'm across the river in bucks county. senator tom karmcarper was to my left he got off at wilmington.

i'm sitting at the cafe cart and we felt major vibrations i know now that was probably the brakes. we shifted quickly to the left and banked and right to the right, we went over to the side. everyone on the left side of the train flew to the other side. i was on the left side so everyone on my side we all went head first into the other way and it was -- the guy next to me -- you know i came to and realized you know when we finally came to the stop there was just debris and dust and everything. screams and blood and then i just checked my arms and legs to make sure they were still attached. the guy next to me was knocked out so i sat him up and tapped his shoulder tapped his face saying "buddy, wake up wake up." he got up came to and then i went to -- it's on the side so

the window was up so i had to pull myself up on to the side of the seats to jump up and i pushed the emergency glass and i pushed it out and then that was the first kind of light we saw, that was an exit so i then helped get people out, lifted them up and then i stayed back and the people who were in too bad shape to get out i was just there putting pressure on their -- as they were bleeding. got my side of the car okay climbed over the cantina to the other side there was two people over there that were badly damaged but i told people to hold one guy's hand he was bleeding everywhere. unfortunately he couldn't feel anything, couldn't feel his legs. he was in bad shape. just tried to take control of the situation as best i could. >> what a nightmare. we have jonathan capehart standing by with a question for you. he takes the train all the time. i want to clarify or highlight one thing you said patrick,

from remembering this you say you felt major vibrations right before impact? right before the train rocked and you say it felt like maybe the brakes were going? >> that's what it seemed like like it was a sudden stop. it was so fast mika, to be honest with you, i felt something like a jolt and then -- but right away we went one way and then we bank it had other way. it was so violent and so fast. and, you know i feel really lucky to be here to be honest with you. >> i can tell. jonathan capehart? >> you know i ride that rail back and forth between new york and washington a lot and seeing the video from the chopper i recognized it immediately one, because of the curve and, two because of the graffiti on the walls. and i know that it's a curve but it's not a terribly tight curve so it makes me wonder how fast the train was going. as you can see in the video here patrick, i don't know if you can see it but that's the cafe car we're looking at.

that scene that patrick just described to us it was in that car that you're looking at where it says on the left side of your screen where it says "northeast corridor." that's the cafe car. that's where patrick murphy was last night and i've heard patrick talk about this over several hours now and when i realize that that was the car he was in you know flung over on its side into the trees like that. very far away from the actual tracks that the train was on a very scary moment situation that patrick was in and, patrick, very glad you and so many others were able to survive that. i'm wondering if you thought that the train was going faster than usual? about the same as it always has been traveling when you take that train before? >> it seemed the same jonathan. i didn't feel anything abnormal.

it was -- i was focused on my work. i was working because when i go home i'm with the kids and my wife so i was trying to get some work done. then all of a sudden things changed dramatically. i will tell you, jonathan being there and helping people get out and making sure we're trying to control the situation so people who are flipping out that they calm down those first responders, those philadelphia firefighters and cops they were climbing through the window and hanging down. they were going over live wires, jonathan and mika. they were running to the people who needed help. i know they saved lives last night. my heart goes out to the six families that lost loved ones and the dozens and dozens and dozens that are seriously, seriously injured. but those firefighters those philadelphia police did pretty awesome. >> patrick, i totally understand

what you're saying and if anyone has been in a casualty emergency situation where you're trying to get out and you see these guys going into the situation, everyone's trying to get out of it, you stop and your heart stops thinking about what they do every single day. this is what they do. mike barnicle. >> patrick, you've served this country in war and in congress and now you're a private citizen. let me ask you, based upon your experience and your life thus far, how frustrated, how angry are you that we live in a country where you now drive beneath bridges that are crumbling, on roads that are falling apart and on trains that are on rail beds that haven't been improved or fixed or updated in 30 to 40 years and we have a congress that sit there is and in terms of legitimate everyday needs of americans do very very little. how frustrating is that for you? >> mike listen i feel blessed and lucky to be here.

that i was able to kiss my wife last night. my record is clear on -- i believe america is number one, i don't think other countries should beat us in rail and infrastructure and they are and that's -- that's our own damn fault. i'm not in congress anymore, i did my job when i was there, i'm proud of my record. but judgment day is more important than election day, that's my feeling. >> good answer. >> it is. patrick, get some rest. thank you very much for being on. it was a harrowing experience for you. we appreciate your telling the story. you were in there and it is absolutely gripping and important as we find out what happened here and it may be a bigger story about our overall infrastructure and we'd like to have you back on a better day to hear from you on this.

i would maybe say go home. go home and kiss your wife again. >> i need to -- yeah. thanks, mika. >> last night's crash comes at a time when amtrak's popularity has been on the rise in recent years. ridership has increased by roughly 50% in the last 15 years. over 30 million passengers road am -- rode amtrak trains in 2014. more than 11.6 million people traveled aboard the acela and other amtrak trains on the northeast corridor line linking washington and boston last year. that was the line's all time high so they've had a massive influx of people using the train. amtrak trains now account for 77% of all rail and air travel between washington, d.c. and new york up from just 37% when it launched the acela in 2000. >> i didn't know that. >> it's an issue because there's more -- i don't know, it's just like i-95. we're increasing the amount of cars and the amount of people

using it yet the infrastructure stays the same. how will these trains still the same trains we were riding in how many years ago, heilemann? >> it's mind-boggling. >> it's mind-boggling. we still need to know what happened here. having said that, in this day and age for a train to pop off the tracks like that? >> we're turning into a country of great wealth and very little wisdom. >> it's easy for us to say sitting here having said that. it's frustrating. patrick is a much more appropriate spokesperson for frustration on this issue but i think at this point he needs to go home. coming up on "morning joe," this latest train derailment comes as two mayors warn our nation's transportation system has gone from being the envy of the world to a system in jeopardy. new york city mayor bill de blasio and oklahoma city mayor mick cornett explain their bipartisan push for action. still ahead, republican

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>> what i do know is a lot of things my city needs happen right here and right now the political environment here will not allow us to get the support we need and the changes we need. we've got to change the debate, change the political environment. the way you do that is by building a coalition of leaders then literally push the debate in the right direction. we have to -- i said to someone earlier, we have to walk and chew gum at the same time. i have to achieve these changes, while making sure my city is safe and improving my schools. the federal government has a huge impact on the future of our roads, highways mass transit, education, affordable housing, things that we are crying out for solutions for in new york city. it's obvious that a lot of what

we need is right here. >> all right. joining us now from capitol hill new york city mayor bill de blasio and oklahoma city mayor mick cornett. they are chair and co-chair of the u.s. conference of mayors cities of opportunity task force. mayor de blasio, first of all, i want to -- this is actually incredibly good timing if i can use that word given what we're looking at in philadelphia. i know you've spoken with your counterpart in philadelphia. what is the latest you're hearing on this train derailment which now has taken six lives. >> it's a terrible tragedy. for new yorkers, this one hits home because this train line from washington through philadelphia and new york city, so many people depend on it. it's a shock to all of us that an accident like this could happen right in the middle of philadelphia. obviously dozens and dozens injured. we're still waiting to hear the identities and we fear their there may be some new yorkers among them. but all i can say is this one is a wakeup call. >> it is. and we're looking at at least six fatalities at this point.

you're right. and there still are people who are unaccounted for. there may be more. also the corridor is shut down and this is going to take a financial toll. >> i think i saw an estimate of $100 million impact on our economy when the northeast corridor is shut down. every single day. and this is part of what is motivating mayor cornett and i and a bipartisan coalition to go to capitol hill today and say we've got to get serious about actually investing in our infrastructure if we want to be a strong and competitive country in the future. >> mike? >> mayor cornett and mayor de blasio, but let's start with mayor cornett. two different cities, oklahoma city city, new york city, two different sets of interests in terms of what your cities need i would suspect. but if you could each give me three things that both of you share in common that both of you think the federal government could play more of an act i role in moving your city and its

people forward. >> well, i would say first of all let's start with amtrak. i don't think there's any better example of congress's unwillingness to invest in something that the american people want. then you have our roads and bridges out there. just this morning our department of transportation shut down a couple of onramps because they have some emergency repairs to make to a heavily traveled bridge that takes one of the interstate highways through our city. i think there needs to be a different solution to the way they're funding our infrastructure in this country. the typical federal gas tax that model is outdated. technologies are changing and they need to address it. so it's on the funding side and the receiving side. but this needs to become a priority for congress. they've overlooked it too long. it's a ticking time bomb for american cities. >> i have to amen that. i have 160 bridges in new york city that are over 100 years old. we have the challenge everyday of just keeping the basics

together. our subway system had a day last year when we got six million riders in a single day. six million riders in one day. you can imagine the toll it takes. so we are absolutely united with a large number of business organizations that this country has to invest in infrastructure the way other countries do. we put 1.7% of our gdp into infrastructure. europe puts 5% china puts 9%. no wonder we're being beat economically in many many areas of competition because other parts of the world are investing in infrastructure so they can have a modern economy. >> mayor de blasio on that day that six million riders were on the subway were you among them? were you sending e-mails to people about subway service that day? >> you're bringing back a golden oldie there, mike. i take the subway a lot and i have to tell you, it's an honor to be mayor of new york city but i have had more than one time where the train comes in and it's literally so packed that me or no one else can get on that

train. it's common in new york city on some lines during rush hour you wait two or three trains whole trains go by and you literally can't even get on they're so fall. if we don't get federal support there's no way we can address the problem. >> mayor de blasio, john heilemann here. you're in washington in igs to talking about things we're talking about here you unveiled your progressive agenda to combat inequality. back here at home in new york city you're getting criticism from the tabloids for being there. there's a quinnipiac university poll that says 46% of the people in this city think your trips outside the city distract you from doing your job, only 42% say they don't. you've been taking a national role of late. are you worried about slipping support at home? >> as i said in the clip we have to walk and chew gum at the same time. it's our job to serve our cities mayor cornett has been doing it 11 years, i'm a year

and a half in and i'm proud of what we've achieved but we can't do it by sitting at our own city hall and expecting our resources to show up on our doorstep. sometimes we have to take the message to washington, d.c. what's amazing today, by the way, the coalition here republican mayors democrat mayors, business groups. by the way, u.s. chamber of commerce is with us four square in arguing for these investments. so we'll be all over capitol hill today because this is part of our job to change the paradigm so there are resources for infrastructure and transportation. >> let's characterize as we close here and both of you can take a shot at this. by the way, i think leaving -- getting fresh eyes from the outside. there's no problem for that. it's not like he's running if that are? are you running for anything mayor de blasio? >> reelection for mayor of new york city. >> i would ask how both of you would characterize the need to rehabilitate our nation's transportation system. does it just need to be rehabilitated or does it need a national overhaul? a national call?

almost a new deal to an extent? >> it needs to become a new priority. mayor de blasio spoke of the figures from our competing countries around the world. the other countries get this. the impact on your economy when people are stuck in traffic or can't use the amtrak lines is immense. our nation's economy depends on infrastructure. in oklahoma city our citizens have shown a willingness to vote on infrastructure projects to tax themselves for them. but we need a change in the way we fund infrastructure in this country and congress needs to understand it needs to be a higher priority in their bill. >> i recommend that everyone read the op-ed that mayor cornett and i have in the "new york times" today because it is very clear about the fact that our citizens are demanding this. as you said, the voters of oklahoma city decided they're willing to see additional taxation so they could have an infrastructure that was modern and help their economy grow. i hear from business leaders all the time. we won't be able to compete in the world or create the jobs we need without an infrastructure that's truly modern.

right now we are just putting band aids on a failing infrastructure. >> what's the best way back to new york mayor de blasio? are you going to take -- >> today i would urge people to of course take the plane, drive, whatever other option you have. we hope and pray there's no more casualties and that the corridor is up and running as soon as possible. >> mayor de blasio mayor cornett, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," two of washington's power players, senator claire mccaskill and congressman paul ryan join us. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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that was part of the new documentary series comeback which focuses on average americans overcoming adversity in some of our nation's most impoverished communities. a big issue a lot of people are talking about now finally. joining us from capitol hill two men involved in the opportunity lives initiative behind that documentary, chairman of the house ways and means committee republican congressman paul ryan of wisconsin and founder and president of the center for neighborhood enterprise bob woodson. and here on set, contributor to

"forbes" and senior writer for "opportunity lives," carrie cheffield. >> paul, let me begin with you. can you be a conservative and claim to be interested in taking care of the poor? that's the question of course, that will immediately be asked. go ahead. >> the answer is yes, joe, thanks for asking. >> well trust me a million people already are. explain, though explain why that is. because there's always false choices in politics and that's one of the false choices. if you care about the next generation financially then somehow you don't care about the poor this generation. >> we believe in opportunity. we believe in up ward mobility. we believe in redemption. these are our core principles. these our r our country's core principles and we believe that the condition of your birth doesn't determine the outcome of your life and it's our aspiration as conservatives, and

republicans -- and this shouldn't just be a republican/democrat think -- to make sure everybody gets that shot at the american idea. we believe in equality of opportunity and upward mobility. so we're trying to figure out how best to achieve that. what i've learned from my friend and mentor here is there are a lot of people who are doing this. so let's go listen and learn. let's hear these stories, learn, get into these communities and just sit back and listen and learn and take something from that and try and get more of that. that's what we're trying to do here. >> paul, i read a great column by ross douthat a couple weeks ago. he said conservatives don't always get it right when we say that there's a war on poverty and poverty won. that actually poverty rates have gone down since the government started investing more in the war on poverty. but he also said that opportunity has not risen. so you've had one effect but not the other. how do we get both there? why do we still have people

trapped in neighborhoods in baltimore and ferguson and south central l.a. and gary indiana, all across indiana. >> so mike we have a problem with economic mobility. we have a problem of getting opportunity in the hands of people who need it so let's figure out how to do that. we can have a statistical debate. the point is it's not good enough. let's agree that 45 million people living in poverty today is wrong and we should do something about it. let's figure out what works and investigating what works let's go with what works and make our efforts outcome-based, make our efforts results-based. will it's make our efforts focussed on getting people out of poverty not by treating symptoms of poverty to make it more tolerable but by breaking the cycle. i would argue there are people already doing that. there are heroes in communities. that's what this opportunity lives comeback series is all about. there are people we should learn from. that we should get behind.

that we can benefit from from their wisdom and experience so we can focus on outcomes getting people out of poverty. we need to do that. >> bob woodson, carrie is here and has a question. >> i have to brag on bob first of all. bob has been leading congressman ryan all over the country giving him firsthand interviews with social entrepreneurs all over the country, urban and rural and i have to brag on him, he also won the genius macarthur foundation award he want's won a presidential citizens medal so he is so qualified to talk about poverty. >> gosh, what r why have are we talking to paul all this time? >> and john hart the former comps director said he's a four star general in the war on poverty. what's the big take away you've seen, bob, as you've led paul around. >> first of all, to the question why do we have such poverty? well, the $20 trillion we spent over the last 50 years, 70 cents of every dollar goes to the

people who serve poor people so we have created a commodity out of poor people where there are structural disincentives for people to rise out of poverty. what we should be doing and i'm taking paul around every month for about two years into those drug-infested, crime-ridden neighborhoods where he's seeing redemption and action that poor people have got to be an agent of their own transformation. the solutions to poverty exist not by paying some paid professionals to parachute in remedies but go in and go to the people with the solutions and that's what paul -- we're trying to turn policy around so that the people suffering the problems become agents of their own uplift. >> bob, john heilemann here we've now talked to -- congressman ryan we should focus on what works, the series focuses on what works. what works? give us a couple examples of things in our most troubled communities that are working.

>> what works is in an san antonio, texas, you have ex-drugged a detectives, most of them have gone under bridges and found people who have been addicted to heroin for 20 and 10 years and they have brought them into their facility and through god's grace they have ex-drugged a detectives ministering to other ex-drugged a detectives. so they are witnessing to people saying just because you're in poverty you don't have to be of it. so it's the power of witnesses these groups recruit witnesses so people can go in and reach out to people so that's the power of it. >> i find people with credibility can help get people out of poverty. people who have experienced these things themselves and have had gone through the journey of getting themselves out of poverty can help people avoid the same kind of mistakes they've made in their lives. so send in some ph.d. person in who thinks they have it figured out because they took a great

class is not the answer. it's people with credibility who have skin in the game can help. and our goal is to empower them. >> speaking of witnesses and credibility, is you have personal interest in this issue. you've been telling me about this for month. >> this is not an abstraction for me. my parents were on welfare. i've been on medicaid i have attended these inner city schools as a girl so poverty was very real an tangible. what i've seen is it's not washington, it's not a distrant sprawling federal bureaucracy that caused cures for poverty. it's community, a. ly faith, values and this is -- these are things that are intangible that a bureaucracy, that a welfare check can never fully compensate for. >> very well put. >> carrie you said it better than i could have said it myself. >> congressman paul ryan thank you very much. bob woodson, thank you as well. carrie, thank you. >> paul is surrounding himself with talented people. >> that's what he does. i know someone who does that.

thank you very much for joining us. "the comeback" documentary series is online at opportunitylives.com/comeback. check it out. it's wonderful. up next on "morning joe," she says a trade deal a bad deal if it can not be enforced. democratic senator claire mccaskill explains her opposition to president obama's big trade plan. she's next on "morning joe."

>> you know, the truth of the matter is that you know elizabeth is a politician like everybody else and she's got a voice that she wants to get out there and i understand that and on most issues she and i deeply

agree. on this one, though her arguments don't stand the test of fact and scrutiny. >> i think the president was disrespectful to her by the way he did that. i think that the president has -- i think the president has made this more personal than he needed to. >> what do you think, mika? what do you think the president's tone when he was talking about elizabeth warren? >> well i think the now-allegations that it was sexist is a bridge too far. but when i saw it i have to say i was like ouch that was just -- that was strong and it was a little -- >> you said condescending before. do you think it's condescending? >> i thought it was condescending and i'm like what's behind that? is everyone trying to slap elizabeth warren out of the way? that's underestimating her, that's my opinion. but it definitely just seemed like if it was someone else whether it's a woman or a man,

i'm not sure it would have been that stingy. but it's tone it's no big deal she's fine. i can -- >> she won. >> she won. that was of course -- >> she's not a victim. >> that was sherrod brown reacting to president obama's criticism of senator elizabeth warren's criticism of her proposed trade deal but with us now, democratic senator claire mccaskill. we've known claire for a long time. you know she's a shrinking violet and president obama says something tough about her, why, i just don't know if she could handle it. oh, wait i think she'd just be fine. claire, is that just silliness? >> i think it's silliness. the president and elizabeth warren are friends. i think if he would have called her senator warren someone would have said oh he's giving her the cold shoulder. they disagree on policy. i would be freaked out if he didn't call me by my first name. we've known each other for a long time. i mean, he went to bat for

elizabeth warren in terms of consumer protection bureau. they worked closely together on dodd-frank. he just thinks she's wrong on this and he has the right to say that as president of the united states. >> so you're exactly right. people who are very close to their friends call each other by their first name. that leads me to the next question senator claire mccaskill claire. why did you vote against the deal? >> because mitch mcconnell left out the enforcement part. i think there's more than a dozen of us that want to vote for trade. we think it's really important for american manufacturers to have this market. we think it's really important geopolitically to check china. but for some reason we had really strong enforcement provisions that came out of the committee on a bipartisan basis and mitch mcconnell left those out. >> why is that? >> i don't know. >> who does it help him leaving it out? >> well for example, it leaves a loophole there that would allow cocoa to be imported from africa that is harvested by

children. it doesn't do anything in terms of the real enforcement mechanisms on environmental standards. so we are just holding the line and saying until you show us how we get the enforcement provisions in there which make this much different than previous trade agreements then all of us together are going to stay united and i'm really hopeful we'll get this worked out because there's a bunch of us that would like to see an enforceable expansion of markets for american manufacturers. >> claire mike barnicle is here with a question. feel free to pepper your answer with insults about the boston red sox. >> by the way, how are the cardinals doing right, now barnicle? without you are a ace. without our ace. with wayno on the bench, 23-9. [ laughter ] >> i love her! >> i couldn't help myself sorry. good morning, mike i'm sorry. >> senator, is there a calendar anywhere in evidence?

could you take a look at the date? >> i know. i know. it's early. >> in the immortal words of reggie jackson, it doesn't matter so much where you are when the grass is green it's where you are when the leaves are brown. >> that's exactly right. and we've -- we're there, mike and i hope you're there, too, so we can avenge our loss. >> i don't think we'll be there this year. >> and i am sorry about adam wayne right. great pitcher. let me ask you about the trade deal. i keep reading and i keep hearing that one of the principal objections to the deal itself -- and i hear this from senator warren and other senators -- is that it's a secret deal. that you haven't been allowed to read it or study it, that you have to go to a separate room use a decoder ring to get in you have to look at it you can't take it with you. what is the story behind all of these anecdotal comments that i read others read, that it's a secret deal thus far? >> well, you can read it if you're a senator and here's the

problem. it's like a lot of deals that are negotiated by a number of different countries. it's a delicate balance trying to get -- whether we're talking about making sure iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon or whether we're talking about a trade deal, this isn't unusual. this is the way this is normally done because you've got to kind of keep everything together until you finish the product. but what we've done in theis tpa is we've made sure we do get to see it. that there is a time period that we will in fact be able to talk about it. but it's hard when you're negotiating with so many countries. you can imagine if one provision is taken out of context and gets blown up then the whole thing goes away. so that's why but you can go down and read in the the skiff if you want to see it right now. >> all right. senator claire mccaskill always great to have you on right, mike? >> absolutely. >> fantastic, i love her. which is why i'll see you friday in washington. you are our keynote for the know your value event.

so exciting. >> it is going to be exciting and, claire i have to tell you, i read part of the book that you were involved in and it was extraordinary, it was open it was raw and i really really appreciate you doing that. >> thank you for being part of grow your value. see you friday. >> thank you guys. >> please join us you can go to msnbc.com/knowyourvalue to be there on friday in washington. >> and go to amazon or an independent bookstore and buy "grow your value." >> we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be.

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overt injury. incredible story telling. >> compelling. of course we have an infrastructure problem with this country. we have to fix it. john heilemann? >> that's been the story of the day but listening to these democrats and others talk about the trade thing -- >> you called them out. you think it's nonsense? >> the thing i learned today is i think it can't happen. the president's not -- josh earnest called it a procedural snafu. i don't think it will get back on track. >> why? >> i think the democrats are looking for excuses not to be for it. a lot of the things they're arguing don't make that much sense. i think they don't want to be for it. they're reacting to 20 years of trade deals they don't like and i don't think there's anything that will get it back on track. >> you don't buy their excuse? >> well claire mccaskill saying it's unenforceable and she's blaming mitch mcconnell. that's the bill president obama is for. so she's blaming mitch mcconnell, i don't understand that. >> mike? >> how many wakeup calls do we

we need before we start rebuilding america rather than rebuilding baghdad. >> $2 billion a week we spend on afghanistan. we've been saying that every week since 2009 when the president was talking about tripling the number of troops in afghanistan and reinvesting more and more. $2 billion a week. we spend $1.4 billion a week on the busiest train line in america. you look how much china spends, you look how much india spends you look how much all of our competitors spend, the percentage of their gdp, it makes no sense. we're rebuilding other countries while our own countries crumble. >> we shouldn't be here. >> it's not just about public safety, that has to be the most important thing, but it's also about our economy. we lose 1% of our gdp, according to certain reports that richard haas was talking about, because of bad infrastructure. think about stuck in traffic, non-stop. >> throw in the number of jobs that would be created. >> exactly. >> so we're all for a modern system of high-speed rail. >> yes we are.

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