dead including a midshipman on leave from the u.s. naval academy and associated press staff member. hundreds of others are hurt. >> our hospital has treated over 200 patients last night and this morning. we are in the process of making sure that everybody is accounted for. >> most of the injuries were muscular skeletal arms and legs and ribs. >> many survivors pulled themselfed and helped fellow passengers to get out of the twisted metal. rescue teams were there within eight minutes. >> flung forward then back then forward again and back. i could see people kind of getting lifted out of their seats. >> it sort of floated for a brief second and you knew that something very bad was going to happen. >> i realized that there's nothing good going to happen here, this train is tipping over. >> we just rolled and rolled.

>> it looked like we were going to flip. we never flipped went over the side and back off the side then -- >> raised my arm against it. >> i was stuck in what was probably a near upsidedown position and had to extri indicate myself from that. i was one of the last people to crawl out. i was behind a woman who broke a leg. >> i started to see light in the sky, which were from the helicopters so i knew that someone knew where we were sparks were flying from the fence as they cut it down to get us. >> there were people screaming and bleeding and we helped them out and they are okay now. >> i'm just -- when it hit me hard and hit my knees last night and prayed for them. >> amazing stories there. there's no official word on what caused the seven-car manhattan bound train to jump the tracks. one of the cars landed

upsidedown. the ntsb and federal railway administration are on the scene. >> we're looking at the track, the train signals and the operation of the train, mechanical condition of the train, human performance. we're setting up a multidisciplinary investigation to try and understand the factors that led to this accident. >> the derailment is impacting travel across the country and raising questionings today about the state of our nation's infrastructure, we'll dig into that as well as what the ntsb is looking for and more of those amazing stories of survival. in fact that's where we begin here in philly with msnbc's adam reiss. rmt tour'e as you mentioned earlier, we're now at seven fatalities this is a parallel search and investigation. a search for people who might still be unaccounted for and the investigators are still combing this site.

the ntsb now has the black box. it has been sent to delaware and will be analyzed at amtrak head quarters to tell them things like speed, bumps in the track, throttle. when the brakes were used nbc is reporting that the train was going 100 miles per hour and mayor and other investigators would not respond to that at the press conference whether or not the train was going that fast and whether or not that was an appropriate speed for this turn in the road. now in terms of the manifest they do have a manifest but still trying to match up people who may be at the hospital who may have left the scene without telling anyone. maybe someone didn't even get on the train. mayor nutter spoke just about 15 minutes ago. here's what he had to say. >> the search is very very active, as we literally just leave the scene. there are significant number of personnel from the fire department, police providing security and amtrak personnel down on the tracks and now off

the tracks because most of the train is actually off the tracks. we will not cease our efforts until we are absolutely sure that we've gone through every vehicle. the search area has actually been expanded and there was expanded search area last night also with k-9 dogs because it was dark. and that search expanded this morning with officers and other personnel to look even further in case someone was possibly thrown from the train. >> reporter: they are making progress with the manifest but still have a ways to go. the engineer was interviewed at the hospital. he was injured and interviewed by the philadelphia police department. tour'e? >> adam reiss, thanks for that. i'm with 18-year-old jose gonzalez who heard the crash. you live on this block.

we see the engine of the train back there. so not far away from where you live this happened. what did you hear? >> i heard a big bang and scrape afterwards. >> what did you see, you came out after you heard that. what did you see in the street? >> i seen a lot of officers flying on the street getting to the situation. crazy. >> you saw some of the victims, some of the folks on that train. what did you see? some folks were unconscious? >> yeah they was unconscious, most of them couldn't walk they had to be carried. >> what did you see from the police trying to help folks who really couldn't move themselves? >> they got them as quick as possible to the ambulance telling everybody to get out of the way. >> a lot of blood? >> bruises and scratches. >> reporter: did it seem like a scary scene? very. >> you don't usually see a ton of cops and people that aren't conscious and bloody on the

street. >> yeah. >> what do you guys got for jose? >> back in new york thanks for joining us today, how long were you there observing the scene and what are people there in the neighborhood saying today? >> i was there for like an hour tops. it was scary. i heard six died at the moment it was at about 9:40. >> jose it's abby we heard michael nutter mayor of philadelphia speaking saying it was unlike anything he had ever seen in his entire life. give us a sense of what the scene is like today just hours later? >> yeah it was scary, i seen mayor nutter was there. >> but today the community is completely different now. last night you had the police and firemen now you have lots of media here and a lot of folks saying this has been a scene they've never seen before in

this area. >> yeah. >> jose -- >> one older gentleman -- >> go ahead, krystal. have you taken this route before? have you taken this train before? because that's what a lot of people are thinking about that experience of going on a normal route and everything goes wrong. >> no i was just scared and surprised, never seen this this is my first time seeing this. >> reporter: this is a unique situation for people who aren't extremely old. there's one man around here telling us his mother who is 96 yeerds old was here and saw the crash that happened in this area in 1943 and took a lot of people with it. but nobody who's not fairly old has witnessed anything quite like this anywhere else in america, thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. we have a breaking story covered from all angles this afternoon. the investigation, the theories and dmek economics and politics

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the entire northeast corridor, we have major event here. we have people on the track and a couple of cars overturned. shut down the entire corridor by order of the incident commander, break out the second alarm.

top of the initial 5 medic units i'm going to need another five tore a total of ten medic units at this location. incident commander struck out the third -- we need an additional five medical units at this staging area. we have over 50 patients we still have multiple rescues to be made. still pulling out a lot of patients and the area on the tracks are still hot. >> you've been listening to the philadelphia emergency radio transmission as the amtrak tragedy played out. the train version, a big black box, data recorder has been recovered from the scene of the derailment and noup the ntsb tries to determine what happened in moments before the train went off the track sending passengers flying through the cars. more than 200 people have been

hurt. we'll receive an update from temple university hospital at any moment now. bob casey just did a press conference and talked about what happened. you were given a tour of the scene. you said you've never seen anything like it. what did you see? >> it was just horrific in the sense that you can all imagine from the pictures and video what it looks like but it's hard to imagine trains that are that big and that heavy being twisted like they are, twisted and mangled the best way to describe it. i've never seen anything like it and even though who have seen other train incidents have not anything like it. >> folks who have seen it saw something like cars looking like crumb ped soda cans did you see anything like that? >> it's a fairly good description. it's hard to comprehend because they are so big and massive, in a short distance the kind of impact it must have taken to cause that type of destruction. >> the engine is here behind us

and folks are saying it's about 75 yards away from the rest of the train. is that what you saw, the engine quite far from the rest -- >> separated, yeah i don't know exactly how far but separated. >> that would suggest part of what happened here. so they are still looking for victims survivors and they are still searching with dogs and everything. talk about that a little bit. >> because of the scene, it's the fire department is in charge and they've done remarkable work with the dogs and search teams all night and into the morning and all day. i don't know enough about the details about where they are but they've done great work. >> when a u.s. senator comes here, a media wants to say how can we fix infrastructure and folks are saying today is not a day for that. >> absolutely, once we know what the investigation yields in terms of results what the cause is or cause was, we can then get

into a debate about policy. but it's just way too early. >> senator casey, thank you so much. >> thanks for your time. >> back to you, krystal. >> interesting to hear senator casey's perspective. again, we're going to hear from hospital officials in just a few moments and we will also get an update from the ntsb at 5:00 eastern. that's where we want to focus now. what are next steps here for federal investigators. george is a professor of mechanical engineering and author of "train wreck" the forensics of real disasters and a railroad investigator in charge for the ntsb knows a thing or two about the first steps out there. thanks for being with us. george, i wanted to start with you, we did have -- nbc news spoke to two sources who said the train was traveling in excess of 100 miles per hour when the event occurred and mayor nutter in a press conference refused to confirm

but what's your reaction? >> well that's certainly on the list of things that will derail a train, it's far more common for an equipment failure to derail a train but about the only operator error that can derail is going too fast on a curve. surprisingly high speed derailment is quite survivable unless you derail into something solid and you have crushed volume which appears to be the case here. >> jim, give s a sense from your expertise and experience when they got to the scene last night, it's pitch black dark a scene that mayor nutter said he never seen before in his entire life. where do you begin to help people find people? what are first steps? >> the first steps at the accident are taken by the emergency response and that's to clear the train, clear the injured and lockdown the scene. the ntsb when they arrived this

morning, they held an organizational meeting and they designate who the parties to the investigation are. they are not to reveal any factual data that they find and at 5:00 today, the board member on scene who is the spokesman should reveal information that should confirm or the mayor's request about the speed of the train. if that's the case they would find out why he didn't take action to slow the down. >> george this is an unusually bad accident derailments are not completely uncommon. but fatalities related to them are relatively rare we look at the numbers, 28 derailments last year, 25 the year before. what is it based on what we do know at this early stage about this derailment that led to the level of damage where you have this many fatalities?

>> well i'm reminded of a bad derailment in england in 2000 derailed 115 miles an hour and everyone lived except unfortunately for one car that wrapped itself around that concrete utility pole. so now when you derail you can always get tossed around and break your neck like being in a car accident without a seat belt but those are kind of individual events, to kill a lot of people you have to have loss of survivable volume, in other words the car is crushed. >> so we have greater understanding what might have occurred if it turns out excessive speed was a factor in this derailment how is that speed controlled? is it exclusively by the engineer is there an automated setting at all? would there be potential mechanical failure to prevent the engineer from slowing the speed? >> as i understand it they do not have a speed control system in the area where the accident

occurred -- >> what does that mean? >> well it's called access on amtrak and what it is it reads the speed of the train and it compares it to what the mandatory speed is and it will stop the train in the fact that the engineer is speeding. it was not on this track at this time. >> jim 71 years ago, some people have been comparing it to one of the worst train accidents in our nation's history, 1943 killed 79 people and injured 117. it just so happens that the crash last night was almost an exact place of this crash in 1943. it sounds like the track has not been updated much. has there been a concern that something like this might have happened? >> that's up to the ntsb to answer. one of the most wanted recommendation is positive train control and positive train control had it been in effect in this area -- it's now man damted

by congress but not fully installed in the united states positive train control would have slowed or stopped the train at the point that it was speeding and we don't know that yet. and i hate to speculate because it's just speculation but that's why the ntsb is there, to keep a lid on facts because speculation is the worst thing you can have going on in the background. >> great points there and we are waiting. at 5:00 p.m. we'll have an update. thank you both so much for your insight today. next we turn to washington, where the train did originate and several transportation hearings today on capitol hill that are taking on an even greater significance, breaking coverage continues here in the cycle.

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last night we failed them. we failed to invest in their safety. we failed to make their safety a priority. thoughts are wonderful, prayers are critically important but priorities are important as well. >> that's not what you said. you tied it directly to an accident and tragedy that happened last night and suggested because we haven't funded it that's what caused the accident and you have no idea what caused it and that's a shame. >> that was a previously scheduled house appropriations committee hearing in washington today. taking on renewed urgency in wake of what happened with the ap track train in philadelphia. how long will that last? the honest truth whether it's a mass shooting or what we saw last night the momentum for change often seems fleeting. here's a take from the white house this afternoon. >> there are extensive infrastructure upgrades that could be made that would benefit the traveling public. it would be good for our economy. >> let's get the take of

congressman peter welch, democrat and congressman, let's start with you. it's troubling that it takes a tragedy like this to get washington even discussing the idea of improving our infrastructure. this is one of those things that affects every american. why does this too have to divide congress? >> you know we've got to stop doing this kick the can down the road short term extensions to the transportation bill. in the last six years instead of passing a long-term transportation bill 34 times just on the short term extensions, it's costly and it allows the further deterioration of all of our infrastructure rail bridge road and it's expensive because you cannot as a administration transportation authority plan to do a bridge or a railroad improvement in a six-month time frame. my view congress has got to say

no to the continuation of this pattern of short term extensions and it's irresponsible. it's us not doing our job and we've got to call the question and come up with a funding source that provides long-term stability to rebuild the infrastructure in this country. >> congressman, do you think what happened last night will be a wake-up call? >> it is a wake-up call. we don't know the cause but we do know for certain that the infrastructure in this country is pathetic. we've got a 20th century infrastructure in a 21st century economy. the over thing about this this this is an area where republicans and democrats both benefit. we all have potholes in our highways and need better bridges. so the only thing holding us back is we can't agree on what's the revenue source. but the bottom line potholes don't fix themselves you've got to come up with a funding source. in my view once you start doing this in this era of low ipt rates, we put a plan out there, even though it's tough politically and we're going to be hearing from our local unions

and hearing from our local governors saying these are real projects in our communities that will make life better for citizens we represent. let's hope something good does come out of the tragedy and that would be a long-term transportation fund. >> i want to bring fawn into this conversation. zach roth over at msnbc.com is pointing out that amtrak has long been a target of cuts by republicans in particular become this sort of symbol for conservatives of government dysfunction and inefficiency. why do they dislike amtrak so much? >> it's true that it's kind of a punching bag particularly for republicans and in the house. right before i came over here i was talking with a republican from florida who likes to talk about amtrak as a soviet style system of passenger rail that he would like to see more competition introduced with the passenger rail system. keep in mind that aside from the

local commuter rail networks amtrak has a monopoly. the real issue there's a genuine concern in congress about whether or not taxpayers should be funding passenger rail at all, particularly in the northeast corridor. it's one portion of the country for the entire federal treasury goes and sub sidized it there's question among budget hawks and people who would like to see smaller government on why we need to fund it at all. amtrak has not been a particularly good steward of its own money. this is irksome to republicans -- like to see more passenger rail and investment and certainly that would help but an example would be that there was a lot of money put towards high speed rail in president obama's first term in the stimulus and it was all spent on money in california for a line that people did not think

enough people to use. >> let's take that over to the congressman. what do you say to that idea sort of a regional parochial concern that whatever amtrak funding may do in theory in practice it goes to the northeast which relates of course to certain elites and not the rest of the country. speak to that and more broadly beyond the policy do you think at this point that americans should feel safe getting back on amtrak trains next week and there after? >> well first on the safety issue, i don't think our transportation officials will allow that railroad to run unless they are fully satisfied it is safe. i'm planning on taking a an amtrak trip this week. what you hear from the congressman and others some of the section at divisions we represent the whole country. along the northeast corridor where amtrak is a huge mover of people to and from work that's really important to us. other parts of the country it may be canals or may be an

airport. these are rivalries and sectional interest where to some extend members of congress are trying to compete to get the resources their district needs. bottom line we need a national infrastructure system and need highways and bridges and railroads and in some places like the northeast corridor that obviously makes an enormous amount of sense because the traveling public can benefit from that and rewe can reduce congestion. i'm in agreement, any governmental agency has to be a good steward of its funds. there should be a common focus on making certain that taxpayers are getting money's worth. that's true whether it's amtrak airport, or whether it's the highway system. >> fawn in your article you talk about back in march the house reauthorized funding for amtrak now moves onto the senate in the house it was hard to get republican support for that bill. what's it going to take to get that through the senate?

>> well, the senate baseically needs to focus on it a little bit. this an authorization bill foran track. one of the things it does do it concentrates the money made in the northeast corridor. precisely where this accident happened and it takes the money made and leaves it there. that means the infrastructure upgrades that need to happen must happen along the corridor. there's an entire commission that put them together and they'll have more money to do that. this has been a priority for republicans for micah and bill shuster. i don't think there's any objection to this in the senate they need to focus on it a little bit. the committee that it sits in in the senate chaired by john thune who has other priorities he's working with on freight rail. but both he and the ranking democrat on the committee said today they want to move forward with their own amtrak bill. i think we'll see action it's just they haven't -- lawmakers have been worried about other issues.

keep in mind while this is the first major passenger rail accident in a way, there have been a few derailments of freight rail in the past year which has caused a lot of consternation among lawmakers as well. >> thank you both for being with us. >> thank you. >> beyond the politics what it would cost to invest in america's infrastructure and possible toll if we don't. plus we're watching from an update from temple university hospital on the condition of dozens of the victims injured in the derailment, you'll see it here as soon as it happens. we're going to listen to temple on the victims there. let's take a listen. >> my voice is almost gone this morning, i know it's hard to hear me. thank you all for being here. dr. herb christian, chief medical officer for temple hospital. i have a brief update that's a little different from this morning. we still have 23 patients in the hospital, 22 on surgical trauma

service and one medical patient. we identified the patient who passed away last night here his name was james marshall gaines after the press briefing this morning his family was able to find him at the hospital. and i was able to explain to them what happened. he was the fellow that had the massive chest trauma and passed away here a little after midnight. there's still a number of folks in the hospital that are going to stay overnight. probably we'll have three more surgeries tomorrow. amongst the group that will stay. there are some people that will get to go home tonight. probably another half dozen can go home. in general we're doing much better. most patients conditions are either stable or better. that's very very good news. again, i want to thank all of the emergency responders that hemmed at the site last night and helped get patients to the hospital and all of the wonderful folks at temple that made the great patient care

happen last night. the doctors and nurses and every other patient -- person in the hospital really made it happen. i'll take some questions, just a few. >> so this morning there were 25 folks in the hospital here there are now 23. so we're able to let a couple of folks go home and there were no more deaths here. >> serious and challenging injuries. >> most serious and challenging injuries have been a lot of rib fractures, i was startled to hear as we ran down the list of patients this afternoon, almost everybody had rib fractures. fortunately very few are very dangerous and not life threatening except for one fellow that passed away. so there are a lot of folks that got banged up with they rattled around. [ indiscernible ] >> we still have -- in critical

condition, i expect it might not change for another day or so. [ indiscernible ] >> the question is what types of wounds, what does that mean about the impact? the rib fractures tell me they rattled around in the train cars a lot. we also saw xap you lar fractures and long bone fractures of the leg and fractures of the arm. i was surprised i think i told you this morning, surprised to seem we did not have much head injury. i thought a lot of folks were going to have head injuries. there was one person with a head injury. that was very good news. >> we have not found any conductors or engineers here. >> how are the staff? how have they held up it's been a tiring 12 or 16 hours. >> the staff have done very well. there are a lot of folks here last night as you remember we were able to swap people out when things calmed done and get the daytime folks in to help. that helped rest them.

sent a lot of people hope purposely because i knew this was not a sprint it's a marathon and they need to take care of folks for next two to three days. i'm doing good thank you. >> can you tell us the name of the patient who died? >> james marshall gaines the third, princeton. >> gaines. >> you said you had 23 -- >> 49 years old. >> 23 patients currently 22 which were at surgery, can you say that again. >> 22 surgical one in medical services. >> what the difference in that? the surgical patients all have fractures and but not all will need surgery. so that's a point. >> the medical -- i can't tell you the condition of the medical patient -- >> how long do you expect to have patients here and treating them from the derailment. >> i expect over the next few days many more folks will go home. probably five to seven days just be a handful of folks left who

are recoupuperatingrecuperating. we have no intention to transfer these patients. >> that's a very good request. how are they going home? a lot of folks are here from out of town. there are a lot of folks from other countries. there have been four amtrak representatives on site for most of the day, which is extremely helpful. they are able to help families with incidentals and hotel and transportation that sort of thing. amtrak has been helpful in making sure they cared for. >> any children? >> no we didn't see any children. >> in your experience has this -- >> the -- i'm surprised at the number of rib injuries that surprised me in the relative few head injuries and i think we're fortunate that there wrnlt more deaths. i haven't seen the site yet and i've seen just little glimpses as i go past the tv scenes but

little i've seen suggested things could have been a lot worse. >> did you have many lung frakt sturs resulting from rib fractures? >> a number of folks whose lugs were collapsed or partially collapsed but not as many as i might have feared. there are many folks with rib fractures and not collapsed lungs and some bruised lungs. >> we'll come back to you. i think the eight critical folks will do just fine over the next few days. >> how would you character this as a test for philadelphia's medical infrastructure? did it work out okay? >> yes, it did. i was very pleased. things came together here last night very well and in just a few hours the trauma team and doctors and nurses that trained to do this responded wonderfully. i think it was a test and i thnk we passioned it.

>> it was reported that the train was going 100 miles an hour before it crashed. can you talk about how the speed affected the severity of the injuries? >> well, yeah the more speed, the more -- force you've got. so it did not help certainly. i can't tell you whether there was any difference between 100 miles per hour and 50 in terms of injuries i saw. i don't know enough to know that made the difference. >> do you know if there's any more patients expected to pass away? >> i expect that won't happen. i think it will be good results in the next few days. >> what countries, you mentioned foreigners? what countries are they? >> spain, belgium, come to mind. germany. india last night,al bain ya. yes, i think we've rounded up all families that's a very good question. >> how often does the hospital train for these type of situations? >> we train for these things

pretty regularly. temple is a level one trauma center and expected to be able to respond to this sort of thing. so there's regular drills. >> when is the last time you drilled? >> we have drills every month. last time we had something this size, i don't know. someone asked that this morning. [ indiscernible ] >> the trauma center was open all through this and taking other patients and are today. >> what was the nature of most of the injuries the ones you were able to treat? >> fractures, impact from the high speed. >> mr. gains was 49. i know one patient was 80 and i think there was some in the young 20s. >> how many are working this? >> oh, yes we brought in lots of additional staff. people have asked me that today. i think there were 30 to 40 doctors there last night. so maybe double or a little bit

more than that. and lots and lots of other staff in laboratory, blood banking, raid yoelg, all of the other departments that make things happen cafeteria workers. i couldn't tell you how many extra folks came in but there were many, many. >> what is the emotional state of the patients when they came in? >> a lot of patients were stunned. regular folks on a train, expecting to get off at the next stop is this fellow from new jersey had been expecting to do and it didn't happen. and i know you folks know it happened very fast. so they were stunned. >> out of the people from out of the country, how are from the philly new york area? >> they are spread out in new york new jersey philadelphia area. many had family and were visiting folks here. a number were here for a while and visiting people.

[ indiscernible ] >> i don't know about the other six. i know our guy is local. >> out of the critical, do we know if there's any local snz. >> i don't know the split. they were here right after the press conference this morning. able to figure it out. >> how many are deceased from the latest number? >> i don't know the number from the other hospitals, that's a good question because i've been heads down in here from yesterday and last night and today. so i know about the one dead here. i assume you know more about what's happening outside yeah so sorry. all right, thank you, folks. thank you for what you're doing. >> doctor did you see -- >> you've been listening to the chief medical officer at temple university hospital giving us an update on the 23 patients they received last night after the train crashed, one has passed

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in instra structure the way other countries do. china puts 9% it's no wonder we're being beat economically in many areas of competition because other parts of the world are investing in infrastructure and have a modern economy. when that corridor shut down i saw $100 million impact on the economy when the northeast corridor is shut down every single day, $100 million impacts. i have 160 bridges in new york city over 100 years old. >> good god. >> we have the challenge every day of just keeping the basics together. >> new york city mayor bill de blasio talking about the price of not investing in our crumbling infrastructure as we continue to follow the latest in that deadly derailment outside of philadelphia. if we want to build a truly modern system how would we would do and how much would it cost?

rosa beth moss kanter spoke by vice president biden at the conference for national infrastructure week, yes, that is this week. also theage or of move putting america's infrastructure back in the lead. and ceo and editor of foreign policy joins us to talk about his research on this topic as well. thank you so much for being with us. i want to start with you, what was the on the agenda this week before this crash in terms of our nation's rail system? what were some of the problems you were focused on with joe biden? >> that we have under invested for decades and aging deteriorateing infrastructure big cost certainly we saw the cost in lives and that's tragic this week but big cost for commerce for the economy in terms of getting businesses to locate here getting goods to the people who need them and getting commuters to work. how are people going to get to work if we don't have a modern transportation system? >> david, to put this in perspective and compare it with

spending in other places around the world, the u.s. amtrak funding is proposed to spend 1.4 billion if you compare that to uk rail funding, $8 billion, china rail funding is $128 billion. this is not necessarily apples to apples because you have different populations amongst other things but it's not just trains. we've got crumbling bridges and roads that are falling apart. you understand in difficult economic times things get on the back burner but shouldn't this be one of our if not top priority, what is the cost if we don't do anything? >> well the cost is really high. over the course of this decade alone because of infrastructure short falls it's estimated that we'll lose perhaps $3.8 trillion in gdp and 3.5 million jobs and it's not just hard economic times. there's a big push on infrastructure in the 50s with the eisenhower administration and highways and air traffic

system. we've let it go. not for a decade not for two decades but for half a century. this is a failure of governance on the part of washington because getting this done is not only clearly doable we know how to do it. but each dollar spent on infrastructure brings a return over a decade of perhaps $3.80. so, in other words, when you put in a dollar you're getting something back. it's not spending, it's investing. >> david, that's well said. let's dig into amtrak's budget rules a little bit more. federal legislation requires amtrak use the revenue it generates from the northeastern corridor, which is a profitable route. a third of its business comes from that. it must use that to fund the entire operation, and outside of the northeast, it loses about $100 a head wherever it takes

people. so the areas that need the help most, in terms of infrastructure, the northeast corridor can't get it because the budget's got to be split. it seems like this sort of weird situation where you have a company that is publicly funded that runs like a privately held company, but then has to have its budget constrains by government rules. >> doesn't allow the money to go where it's needed. it's true with highways, it's true with ports, it's true with air traffic control. we have problems with our power grid, which is antiquated in many places. the good news is the private sector will spend most of this if the government primes the pumps, puts in place the right regulations, creates things like an infrastructure bank does a little bit, makes a little bit of an effort. we can produce many many times that investment in return. >> and having worked on these issues for so long looking at a

tragedy like this what is the most important thing the government should be doing now? >> what the government should be doing is thinking about first of all, you have to have the funding in place, too. finally, not just a grave aging in infrastructure but reinvent it for the 21st century. we shouldn't just be keeping amtrak or trains as they are. we should be getting them faster, safer, greener, cleaner. freight rail is a good example, because freight rail in the u.s. has actually been a big success. i know there's still some problems with oil explosions. but freight rail is profitable. it reinvests money in the tracks. and it has been updating other infrastructure with its own money. like tunnels that are too short. for the new trains to go through. so we need a national vision and national framework. we need to have a transportation vision that unites across all modes of transportation. trains to buses, to airports to

airplanes. >> and clearly, what you and david are both laying out here is that this is not a nice to do, it is a must do. thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> pleasure. still ahead, toure's final thoughts from the scene and what patrick murphy experienced on the train. >> it's time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. they've always been close, so it was only natural that linda started helping christina out when she started her jewelry company. neither of them ever guessed that linda would become the number one employee. for more watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. american express for travel and entertainment worldwide. just show them this - the american express card. don't leave home without it! and someday, i may even use it on the moon. it's a marvelous thing! oh! haha! so you can replace plane tickets, traveler's cheques, a lost card. really? that worked?

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he was wonderful. he was absolutely wonderful. everybody looked up to my son. and there's just no other words i can say. well, he was supposed to come home last night at 10:30. and when i went online to see, you know if everything was on time, they said there was a derailment.

and then it was all plastered on tv. we kept on calling the hospitals all night and nothing, and then we got the phone call this morning that my son has passed. >> that's the mother of justin zemser, who died in that amtrak derailment last night. also among the seven who are confirmed dead is associated press video software architect jim gaines, who died of massive chest trauma. also on that train, but thankfully at home and doing well this afternoon is friend of the show patrick murphy. a congressman, a veteran, a husband and a father who showed us what a hero he is by helping others to get out of that train. he punched through a window with his palm to open a space so that others could get out. he revived somebody who was unconscious. showing us what a hero he is.

patrick murphy spoke to rahima ellis earlier today. >> it was a normal train ride. from washington up to new york. i was trying to rush home to be home in time to see my two little kids. everything was fine until just heard some very violent shaking. like vibrations. next thing you know we went left and then finally just went over to the right. i was on the left side of the train cab, and everyone on the left side just flew the other side. and i went head-first to the other end. and a lot of debris a lot of blood, a lot of people crying for help. i made sure i helped people get out. at first i checked that i still had my arms and legs. it was pretty violent. >> it was like that? you were checking to make sure you were in one piece? >> yeah. because there was blood. i was overseas twice with the

army. so i was okay. the guy next to me was unconscious. i got him up sat him up. patted his face saying get up brother, get up. then he got up. he came to. so i yanked him up. i had to pull myself. the ceiling was the side window. so i pulled myself up on to the bench area so i could punch it out. and then people that were able to get out were getting out, so i helped push them up. and then i was just trying to help the folks that couldn't move and that were in really bad shape. >> you are lucky. >> i'm blessed. >> you talk to your family? >> yeah. that's what's hard to talk about. it's emotional to be able to go home and kiss them. >> you're going to get to see them. >> yeah i saw them kissed them extra this morning. i know i'm a very lucky man. >> what an incredible story. of course amtrak is so important to this nation. and especially to those of us in the northeast, it allows people

who done have that much money to move around. i remember visiting colleges based on being able to use amtrak to get to philadelphia and d.c. let's remember that the likelihood of dying on an amtrak train is far less than in a car. but, of course our hearts are with those seven families who lost a member today. that does it from "the cycle" live from philadelphia. "now with alex wagner" starts right now. we have breaking news this hour. the ntsb the national transportation and safety board, confirms preliminary data this afternoon that the train in that deadly amtrak crash was traveling at a speed of over 100 miles per hour. the speed him in that section of the tracks is 50 miles per hour according to the federal railroad administration. all seven of the cars left the tracks in the crash with a force that ripped away steel tracks and tore down overhead power lines. today, one of the passenger