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>> hey there everyone. it's high noon in the east 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome. we begin with new reports about the mission special operations forces carried out yesterday in syria which killed abu sayyaf. the raid only the second time u.s. special operations forces are known to have ever conducted a ground operation in syria was intended to capture sayyaf to capture intelligence. new reaction from washington a day after the raid. first, richard engel has the very latest from istanbul. richard? >> alex, it was washington this time that seized the initiative. it was a very risky operation no doubt about that. some people are debating whether the target was worth it was he senior enough. but a decision was taken, the mission was authorized by the white house to go into syria do to initially the plan was to try and snatch and grab this isis

leader. he was ultimately killed. but just imagine what would have happened had the mission gone wrong. isis has gotten used to fighting u.s. troops when they attack from the air. for months washington has led an air war against isis in iraq and syria. but there was very different. a bold raid into syria into an isis strong hold with u.s. boots on the ground. u.s. officials say american delta force commandos took off from northern iraq in black hawk helicopters and osprey plain helicopter hybrids like these and flew deep into isis territory in eastern syria. no allies on the ground if u.s. forces were captured they risked unthinkable horrors. a jordanian pilot captured by isis was burned alive in a cage. u.s. officials say the americans it' target abu sayyaf was a top

isis money man who managed isis's oil and gas income and personally close to the isis leader al baghdadi. >> the fact that the united states was willing to mount a capture mission to grab him shows that he was a really important person in the infrastructure itself. >> reporter: the target did not go the quietly. there was a gun fight. even hand to hand fighting. abu safafter was killed along with a dozen or more isis fighters. stay with us commandos left unharmed taking with them his wife known as umm sayyaf. u.s. officials allege she helped manage hostages taken by isis. >> alex this is only the second time that u.s. special operations forces have gone into isis-held territory in syria. the last one was when there was an attempt to rescue hostages. u.s. special operations forces landed. it was what they call a dry hole. the hostages had been moved. this one an aggressive operation

from the white house. we'll see if they launch more of these after this last operation thank you so much richard in istanbul. in washington today, new reaction. here's the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee, senator dianne feinstein. >> my assessment is that it was a success, that this is the kind of one-two punch we should do more of. i believe if we're not going to put troops on the ground then we have got to use our special operations forces to go in and collect intelligence, also be able to capture people that might be able to be helpful. >> nbc's kristen welker joins us now from the white house. what else did we hear today on the topic? >> alex, we're hearing something we don't usually hear in washington which is bipartisan agreement. republicans and democrats largely supportive of this mission calling it a victory in the fight against isis senate

majority leader mitch mcconnell saying that president obama "did a good job." not every day you hear him praising president obama. senator marco rubio saying "it was a successful raid." and they both expressed hope that umm sayyaf the wife of that isis leader, would yield to intelligence and potentially lead u.s. forces to other high ranking isis officials. now, there was some criticism and concern about this raid also because of the risks involved. all of those risks that richard engel just mapped out. take a listen to what democrat adam schiff had to say. >> american boots on the ground. i don't see this as the same kind of a massive occupation or the beginning that have like we had in afghanistan. or have had in iraq in the past as well. but the risks go up the more you conduct these kind of operations, the more you see the potential of being pulled in and the problem with being pulled

into this messy civil war, this awful civil war in syria is then you take ownership as colin powell used to say, the pottery barn rule, you break it you bought it. it's already badly broken. i don't know we want to take ownership of this. >> of course, president obama has been insistent he is not going to put u.s. boots on the ground in a combat role. you could see some discussion and debate around that point in the coming days. meanwhile, alex, this is all happening as the broader fight against isis in iraq and syria continues. we were reminded of that this past week with news that ramadi was falling to isis forces. so a big battle going on right now there. it underscores the fact that this will be a protracted fight. this is something, of course, that intelligence officials have said and president obama has signaled, as well. >> kristen welker thank you. let's go to political headlines. another weekend, another road trip for republican presidential hopefuls. nearly a dozen declared the

potential candidates made their way back to iowa for the annual lincoln dinner. many took swipes at the democratic front-runner hillary clintoning >> listen to barack obama president obama and hillary clinton, you think the way to measure success is by how many people are dependent on the government. >> hillary clinton must not be president of the united states but not because she is a woman. she is not trustworthy. she lacks a track record of leadership and her policies will crush the potential of this nation. >> we can beat hillary. we must beat hillary. we will beat hillary and take our country back starting in 2016. >> there are only 541 days left for the end of the age of obama and hillary clinton. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton can also heading back to iowa making two stops in the first in the nation state monday and tuesday. then cap off the week with another trip to new hampshire. let's go to california now and just two days after announcing

her candidacy for the u.s. senate congresswoman loretta sanchez is coming under fire for appearing to make an offensive gesture relating to native americans. she shared her side of the story with reporter david benik of kcra. >> it happened during a gathering of the indian american caucus at the democratic state convention. candidate loretta sanchez was telling how she had recently received an invitation from someone within the indian american community. >> i'm going to this office thinking that i'm going to go meet with -- right? because he said indian american. >> the man who filmed the gesture with his cell phone said several people in the room found the gesture insensitive to native americans. >> i was shocked and appalled she would make the disparaging comments about native americans that way. >> a short time later her opponent kamala harris was told about the gesture.

>> you know, i don't know what to say to that except that that's -- that's shocking. that's shocking. >> sanchez you made a gesture. >> we don't have the time today. >> gesture you made is offensive. do you feel like you took that back? >> earlier in the day, sanchez claimed she was a victim of pressure tactics from democrats who didn't want her to run. >> well i will just say there were plenty of phone calls asking me not to. there were plenty of phone calls trying to sweeten the pot and there were plenty of sort of threatening things. but as i have told everybody, i was not going to be pushed in nor was i going to be pushed out. >> and we want to make note we reached out to congresswoman sanchez's office for further word and are waiting response. pope francis con onized two nuns from what was 19th century palestine at a mass today. mahmoud abbas and an estimated 2,000 pilgrims were on hand for

the ceremony. it is seen as encouraging to christians in the region who have faced a wave of increased persecution from islamic extremists. the church's act comes days after a formally recognized palestine statehood. in texas, a homecoming can almost ten years in the making. she was reunited with her 13-year-old daughter in houston on saturday. it came eight years after her father allegedly took her to mexico without garcia's consent. dna tests she is her daughter. in april mexican authorities sent the wrong girl to the u.s. during a publicity frenzy which drove mr. diaz to return alondra to her mother. >> i love her and i'm so happy having her being together. any moment. being happy. >> garcia says she won't press charges against her ex-husband at her daughter's request. an american pharoah and

victor espinoza have won the preakness. >> that was thrilling to watch. american pharaoh did it again. the kentucky derby winner flashed past the competition in the rain to win by five lengths. he is just one win from making history and getting the elusive triple kroub. the belmont stakes is held in three weeks but the last triple crown winner was affirmed back in 197. >> now to the severe weather in the midwest. 29 tornadoes reported across nine states saturday including this massive twister in elmer, oklahoma. storm chaser where is able to get close to this tornado. you can see there's some cows directly in the path. yikes. they don't seem squared. there's no word how they fared during the storm. let's get to the john yang in broken arrow, oklahoma, where there is storm damage for sure. what does it look like there? >> that's what it looks like. listen to that sound alex.

that's the sound of recovery the morning after a big storm. you can see the utility workers and hear the chain saws that they're using to put the power poles back up. take a look at the front yard here of brad's house here in broken arrow. see the white stuff in the bushes? that isn't snow. that is wet insulation that has blown out of had his house most of it from the roof of his porch here. he thinks that most of his insulation is now spread out across this neighborhood. this is the damage from one of the estimated 19 tornadoes that touched down overnight from texas all the way north tort minnesota. >> another tense night across tornado alley a rare look at a tornado forming southwest of oklahoma city. >> oh, my god. less than a quarter mile away. >> with debris flying through the air. >> my god, these cows are sitting right here. >> and livestock seemingly in the line of fire.

>> images of the ominous skies also blanketing social media. this lightning over mustang, oklahoma posted on facebook with storms also forcing the major league soccer game in kansas city to be postponed. and in texas remarkable pictures of hail covering roads and paralyzing traffic on saturday. with heavy rains and flooding, as well. it all comes on the heels of relentless storms and tornadoes in recent weeks. >> it's crossed the road. it's on the other side now. >> as this morning millions of residents again brace for more severe weather. >> you can see homeowner brad shirley cleaning up the insulation coughing his property. if there's one bright spot out of this he works for a home improvement store. he's going to head into work later this afternoon and make good use of that employee discount. >> looks like he didn't get any weekend off from work either.

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the northeast corridor and increase the number and frequency of speed limit signs. adam reese is at philadelphia's amtrak station for us. good day to you, adam. what's the latest with the investigation into the crash? >> alex, good afternoon. the fbi investigating whether or not there's a pattern here, a link between three trains getting hit with projectiles minutes apart, miles apart. take a look at the three. first 905 tuesday night. the acela train. five minutes later a accept ta commuter train at 9:10. at 9:21 amtrak 188 hit by what officials call a fist-sized projectile through the front wind 'sheed killing eight people. engineers call this getting rock. it's very common along the northeast corridor. so common they actually protect themselves with grills in the front windshield so they don't get hit with projectiles. here's robert sumwalt of the ntsb. >> the this idea of something striking the train is one of the

many things we're looking at right now. we interviewed the amtrak, well, let's see, we interviewed the dispatchers and listened to the dispatch tape and we heard no communications at all from the amtrak engineer to the dispatch center to say that something had struck his train. >> nothing at all. >> nothing at all that he reported to the dispatch center. >> now, whether or not that led to the train speeding up to 106 miles per hour we don't know. but the federal railroad administration has ordered amtrak to put signs on the side of the railroad indicating curves and speed limit. alex? >> okay. interesting also about the fist-sized projectile they're looking at. thank you so much, adam. for more, let's bring in steven dit myer, former associate administrator confident federal railroad professor. steve, with a welcome to you, sir. the federal fur railway administration ordering to implement atc technology

immediately there to control the train's speed. talk about that. what exactly is that technology and how does it differ from what we've been hearing about this past week positive train control? >> thank you, alex. atc is the traditional signaling system on the northeast corridor. uses track circuits and to determine train location. the signal system sends coded messages along the rails picked up by the locomotive that tell the locomotive the speed that the signal ahead is indicating. normally that system does not give speed. instructions for curves. what fra has instructed amtrak to do now and do it immediately is add another coded track circuit or a code message on the track to indicate a speed restriction for the curves.

ultimately, positive train control uses transponders electronic devices between the rails to give the exact location of the train and the exact distance to a curve speed re restriction restriction. >> amtrak required to have positive train control running by the end of the year. there's been a lot of pushback from the industry. the association of american railroads said last year "it's clear the railroad industry cannot install it on the entire network by that deadline." first up is the deadline reasonable? >> the deadline was set seven years beyond the passage of the law. some railroads say they are going to meet the deadline. amtrak is one that says we plan to have positive train control installed on the railroad that we own between washington and boston. we plan to have it installed by the end of 2015.

there are other railroads that have said they can meet the deadline. other railroads have said not. amtrak also has their system has to be installed on the commuter railroads that run on amtrak's lines, new jersey transit accept ta, maryland commuter and so on. >> yeah. okay. you heard adam reese and i'm sure you're familiar with the fact that grills get installed on the amtrak trains. other trains, as well. we've talked about a fist-size projectile that may have come into this one devastating incident into the train car there. why is that not standard operating procedure? is it now? why is it? this getting rocked syndrome, how prevalent is it? >> it has been occurring for many, manial years along the northeast corridor. and the federal railroad administration a number of years

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ops forces raid that took out abu sayyaf. delta force commandos conducted the raid in an intensifier fight that killed sayyaf and about 12 other isis fighters. the mission was only the second known ground operation ever to take place in syria. this was senator dianne feinstein's assessment of the raid's results. >> this was i think a picture perfect raid. everything went according to plan. but the demise of the principal obviously took place when the aim was to capture. >> joining me now msnbc military analyst he colonel jack jacobs. with a welcome to you as always. explain why this mission is being hailed as a success despite the fact that sayyaf was killed. >> we wanted to get him to be sure, but we mostly wanted to get his information. his computers, all the information about the oil flows,

cash flows, banking information. it would have been nice to be able to interrogate him but getting the information was the most important thing and that's why we conducted a raid to try to get him and the information rather than flying a drone around and blowing the place up. information much more important. >> i'm curious how long the planning of a raid like this has to be under way. how long do you have eyes on a guy like this without his moving around? >> a long time. i mean we've got satellite overflights in realtime. listening to phone conversations. watching computer transmissions and analyzing them and most important, eyes on the ground. we had agents on the ground and some of the best verification information we have is from human intelligence, something we've been sorely lacking for a long period of time. but we had it here and one of the things that made this a great success. >> give me an idea how this all went down. when it came time for the raid,

what happened on the ground? >> in every military operation like every human endeavor, you start at the end and work backwards. we knew we wanted to go to this objective and have the element of surprise which means drop as close to or even on top of the objective if you can, which means helicopters at night so that you have the element of surprise. use night vision goggles. night vision scopes. you start back at a secure area in iraq. move to a forward location so that the time of flight from iraq to the objective is as short as possible. you also stage aircraft-like ospreys with two dozen or more people board for backup just in case you're either very have he successful or it's not a success at all. you stage those forward and keep them there and then you execute, you have to practice the heck out of it which is what they did and execute quickly. >> the fact that this was syria and we should know that this was

the second mission in syria of its kind but the last time it failed and it was not a success in any way. how much did that add pressure and just the fact that it was in syria? i mean, how much does that alone add the pressure? >> well it's always a big pressure situation particularly when you're doing a snatch and grab like this was. very high value target. but you can mitigate the risk. mitigate the pressure by having very good intelligence which they did and excellent plan which by the way, they rehearsed over and over and over again. and most important, a plan just in case. you can't predict the future. so plan for the unexpected which is what they did here. that's why it was a big success. >> yeah. good an stuff that we're reporting on with your help as always. >> more information to come as they digest all this information. >> perhaps from umm they expect to get some. thank you so much colonel jack. for headlines at 35 past the hour, a family of four was

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generally friendly crowd at a catholic college following a week of stumbling over questions about the war in iraq. >> morning, governor bush. are you concerned you had a bat week. >> we'll talk afterwards. no, i'm not concerned. >> but at an hour long town hall in due buick the iraq controversy was the first topic from the audience. >> i misstepped for sure. i answered a question that wasn't asked. >> joining me now governor of vermont howard dean and former george w. bush administration official leslie sanchez. leslie, i'm going to reach out to you first. assess where jeb bush stands after this week. still the perceived front-runner overall or has he fumbled that away a bit? >> we have a strong lineup of gop contenders. it's very disverse and it takes about four months for any of the candidates to get up to speed and understand the cadence of a presidential campaign. we used to start this in the fall. now we start it two years before that. the truth is, he's out of

practice. he misstepped. i think there's a more important issue here. there is such an imprint on the american psych can i right now it's continued to remain how people feel about the iraq war. i've been doing focus groups across the country, a lot of independence voters. that is very real and a lot of people feel and see that connection with his brother regardless of whether the brain trust inside the bush campaign has really thought about that. >> the fact is you're getting polling about this and when you said it i agreed because yes it's obvious. how could he not have been prepared for that question? >> that's a question that happens inside the campaign. that would be 101. people would anticipate this is going to happen. the feeling though when you talk to voters that they're seeing this his candidacy through will the lens of his brother is something the campaign has to deal with all the way through next fall should we get that far. and it's vet real. it's vet painful for a lot of individuals. so defining himself outside that shadow is going to be a constant

consistent effort. >> howard, i want to ask you about this. weigh in on this in terms of he's saying it's a campaign issue. you've run campaigns. is that what you think the problem is? >> leslie has the analysis down pretty well. i doubt he was unprepared for this. he couldn't possibly be unprepared for something like this if your last name's bush. the problem is the policy was terribly flawed. a lot of people including a lot of republicans think so. the problem is the bush family and i think this is a good quality, not a bad quality has tremendous loyalty to each other. my guess is he thought through what he was going to say and couldn't bring himself to say it which was this was a mistake. he could not say that because the loyalty is so important in the family. i'm sympathetic with that. i still think he's the front-runner. he's the 100 pound gorilla or whatever it is. he can raise the money. he's got the name. he can probably give hillary the

best tussle. but you know, this is a funny year for republicans. this is really a fight over the soul of the party. if one of the conservatives organizes the opposition and doesn't allow what happened last time when the conservatives split the vote nine different ways, he could lose. >> interesting to pick up on that right now, "the washington post" today examines the vast gop field under the headline republican leaders worry their long list of candidates may cause trouble and suggesting so many candidates will pull the gop to the right to win the primary but the message would lack appeal in a general election. this happens a lot in the election with the republicans. >> going back to the '70s. going back to nixon. yes, definitely. but the difference is, i this i you do hear people like the front-runner like governor bush talking about the need for this party to be that open umbrella to be inclusive and galvanize women and the latino vote. these are conversations we did not have last go around. definitely some lessons learned.

this kind of shift to fuse the governor's words port soul of the republican party happens from the leaders at the top. the more we hear these kind of grounded inclusive voices from the tops of the ticket as a field shakes out the better the party is going to be. actually both parties will be. >> howard switching gears here. >> in principle that's possible. hillary just rolled out a terrific immigration plan that all the republicans including jeb bush look terrible if you poll latinos right now. people like scott walker and others claiming on the far right who are legitimate candidates on the republican side saying terrible things about immigrants and immigration reform just like they have for the last eight years. it's going to be a tough nut. i do believe the leadership does want to change because they want to win. but the voters in iowaen an new hampshire have a big say. i don't think they're where with the leadership in washington is. >> there's a lot of common ground on immigration and immigration is not the number one issue for latino. >> i want to move to this point about hillary clinton and the late friday filing that showed

the clintons made that $30 million since january of 2014, $25 million with their speeches. here's a portion of the report from the nightly news. >> the disclosures complicate the candidate's attempt to the cast herself as a champion for working class americans. last year, clinton was heavily criticized for saying this. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. >> and bill clinton hasn't exactly helped. recently raising eyebrows in an interview with nbc's cynthia mcfadden. >> she's now running for president. will you continue to give speeches. >> oh yeah. i got to pay our bills. >> howard from an appearance perspective, does it make it more difficult for hillary clinton to be a champion of the working class. >> no, this is a press story. this is not -- ted kennedy had more money than the clintons will ever have and nobody resented him for that. people misunderstand. it's why you shouldn't attack people just for being rich. people want to be rich

themselves one day. that's what i caution democrats. do not talk about taxing the rich in this campaign when middle class democrats talk about taxing the rich, them think they're included in that. this is a nonstory a breathless media story for a friday night going nowhere that it is sunday morning. maybe after today. anyway let's talk about george stephanopoulos who admit this had past week he donated $75,000 to the clinton foundation and apologized again this morning. the gop seizing on this suggesting he's not fit to act as for example a debate moderator. isn't there room for charitable acts without turning it political. >> wow, you know i think this is going to again going backing to like journalistic ethics @ójç101 this really reeks of a problem and a bias. that's the problem. not only is it an optics problem but it's such a significant investment that george has made. and he continues to serve on panels for foundation. it's just there are ways that

journalists can certainly do this in an unbiased way to moderate presidential campaigns. i've heard also this sunday a lot of people talking about the late tim russ severity. he's somebody who really understood and put a very strong line in the sand between how he dealt and kind of coordinated not coordinated but really looked to interviewing presidential contenders. i think that's the standard. this is nowhere near that. >> i have to say i completely agree with tim russert being the standard there. howard, george, could he have avoided that had he immediately disclosed the donation? it's not like we didn't know he worked for president clinton. would this have taken away the fodder for the gop? >> i don't make a lot out of the fodder for the gop. this is more a problem for abc news. giving to a legitimate charitable cause is a good thing. i respect george for doing that. the problem is if the clinton foundation is in the news, i don't see how he can cover it.

i really don't. so the he's going to have to sort this out. it can be sorted out. conflicts like this have existed before. this is very, very tricky tricky for him and abc news. >> guys, we're out of time. we'll see you again. howard dean leslie sanchez, thanks much. it was a weekend week in the art world. we'll look at some of the priciest pieces next. bring us your aching... and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead. aleve pm. the first to combine a sleep aid...

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after the biggest week in art sales history. christie's auction house blew through previous sales records selling more than $1 billion of art in a single week. this many picasso women of aljers version o fetching $179 million. here to discuss this huge moment in art world history is jed tully, head tore in charge of art auction magazine. how excited were you this week, judd? >> actually, i was more exhausted than excited. there were so many auctions so

many evening auctions so much material. just overwhelming amount of very high quality works of art. >> so why now and who's doing the buying? >> well, it's an international clientele. global asia, europe, the united states. everywhere that billionaires are living or not living and buying these trophy works. that's the big difference. these last few seasons that the market has gone heavily, there's huge buying from asia, from china in particular, the gulf states. i mean it's a global acquisition pool right now. >> which piece of artworks that sold this last week do you consider the most valuable and was it potentially undersold or oversold? i mean is the price just right? >> yes, i would say the second

highest price of the week that was also achieved at christie's the same evening as the picasso and that was an alberto ja ca metty sculpture called "pointing man" from the 1947. a life size nude figure of a man, this is after world war ii this is in paris when he made this work. and that sold for the hammer price was i think $126 million before the premium was added. but there's an extraordinary story briefly behind it in that the person who sold the work at christie's on monday night had acquired the work in 1970 for approximately $250,000. >> whoa. >> which at the time was an extraordinary amount of pone for a work of art. but given the appreciation, it's quite staggering. >> see now, i was just going to ask you a question about the appeal of investing in art as

opposed to real estate. do you worry this could be an art bubble. >> is there a chance these pieces are worthless in the future? >> well i mean at the lower levels save under $1 million, that's considered lower level these days, the people that are buying them on speculation especially the younger artists that you know pop up every season, it's just it's like the stock. you know penny trading speculation. i mean i don't know if the appreciation on the picasso that made almost $180 million if that's going to have the same direction north from when it last sold in 1997 for $31 million. >> do you at all worry though this is going to have a negative effect on public museums or the like because a lot of these pieces may just go to well lit corners in some mansion

somewhere? >> well, it depends. yes, that's a good question. but then again, these works of art, if it was acquired by say, an american a taxpayer let's say and at some point who could make a contribution to a museum of that work of art would get a quite a you know, a tax relief from the capital gains that one would get from selling something for a huge amount of money. >> yeah you make a good point. at least this they can get it on loan as many art collectors do and that is appreciated by those of us who love the art world. appreciate your time. ahead in the next hour a new study shows fewer americans are identifying as christian. the trend is more pronounced among millenials. that's next. [ laughs ] jamie. right. make a bad bundle joke a buck goes in the jar. i guess that's just how the cookie bundles.

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vice president's home. >> twisted fury another weekend of violent weather wreaks havoc. tornadoes reported across nine states. it's drive time. google's self-driving car will soon hit the road of testing but will the car have a steering wheel? ah, the last laughs. how will david lettermannen bow out from late night? bow out from late night?out from late night? >> welcome to "weekends with alex witt." first, we begin with the new developments in the murder mystery in vice president biden's d.c. neighborhood. police released surveillance video which shows a person of interest in the case. a fire that tore through this multimillion dollar home this week was an act of arson that led to the discovery of four bodies inside the home. nbc's kristinton welker has been

following the story. what more can you tell us about the investigation? >> it is a tragedy. miss say the man in the video you just showed is a person of interest and they're asking for the public's help in finding him. police released that video last night. in it, you see that man dressed in dark clothing. he's wearing a hoodie and moving very quickly behind a building. according to authorities he may have been operating a blue porsha that was initially seen parked outside of that house that burned down. car was later found toed and ten miles away from the house. police are calling this an arson and homicide investigation. they say on thursday a fire ravaged this home not far from the where the vice president lives as you point out. four people were found dead, corporate ceo savas savopoulos, his wife amy, their 10-year-old son philip and their housekeeper veralicia figurera. three of the victims will been attacked. they're not specifying which of

the victims. they were found with blunt force trauma. so far no arrests in this case but making this all the more tragic, the family has two older daughters that were away at boarding school when all of this unfolded. one of the daughters set to graduate in the coming days. so this is a tragedy and mystery that has gripped all of the of washington, d.c. >> it is a heartbreaker. they have positively identified two of the four bodies correct? they're is certainly a presumption. >> that's absolutely correct. they've identified two. they believe the other two are the family son and housekeeper. we have reached out to d.c. authorities and asked if there's going to be any type of press conference today. at this point no plans for that. i don't anticipate we'll get any major update on the victims' identities or autopsies which we're still waiting for all coming this week. >> the son just 10 years old. thank you so much. let's go to new details about the raid in syria. the u.s. special operations

forces flew black hawk helicopters and osprey aircraft into eastern syria. we have learned this mission was intended to capture not kill abu sayyaf. richard engel has the very latest from istanbul. >> alex when u.s. officials are considering the cost and benefit of an operation like this, you have to look at both sides of the equation. on the upside it is certainly advantageous to capture an isis leader alive. you can debrief him. you can use him to match intelligence, to connect the dots of pieces of information that you already have. or to provide new information and abu sayyaf we are told is someone who has deep intimate knowledge of isis's finances, personal connections to the isis leader the cal live abu baghdadi. he was not taken alive. his wife was taken and we are told she by u.s. officials we

are told that she has personal knowledge of the isis kidnapping for ransom business, which is like the oil and gas business, a key part of isis finances. so there already certainly advantages to try and bring someone out of there alive. but the disadvantages are huge, as well. the possible risk of sending american commandos into syria into isis territory. just think if something happens. think of the helicopters or the ospreys are shot down. maybe they have a mechanical failure. what happens if isis gets their hands on these american personnel? don't forget a jordanian pilot was crashed in isis territory was held captive by isis and that jordanian pilot was ultimately put into a cage and burned alive. it was a traumatic event not just for the pilot and his family but for the entire nation of jordan.

so sending american troops even the best of most highly trained american commandos like the navy seals or in this case delta force which are like the navy seals of the army even sending the most skilled operators into harm's way carries enormous risk. >> richard, thanks so much for that. joining us don borelli in charge of the joint be terrorism tax force. with a good day to you, let's talk about the hopes of the u.s. in terms of the hopes to.ca tour him alive. when you look at the computers seized or even talking with his wife umm how much information can they get? >> it sounds very positive. obviously he had a key role in finances, communications tactics, military operations so i'd say the computers the cell phones, any handwritten documents, anything of the like are the next best thing to taking him alive. and also this being a bit

unusual that in many cases the wives don't really have an operational role in the activities of the terrorist organization, but it appears in this case that she does have an operational role and certainly some knowledge of those activities. so debriefing her could be very significant. >> i believe she was allegedly in charge of human trafficking for the group. you heard rid of's report in which we learned the special ops forces went deep into the heart of isis territory. how much of a surprise might that have been for the group that we ventured there. >> big surprise and huge psychological victory. >> we're listening to that. it's reiterating what we've just said. >> absolutely. and the fact that we not only have the tactical capabilities but also the intelligence. it takes a lot of precise intelligence and likely as colonel jack said in the last segment, human beings, human intelligence on ground that are

able to pinpoint our delta force into the exact location and timing where these people were killed and captured. so now they're wondering there's probably a lot of people in isis leadership scratching their head going who are the leaks? where are these sources of intelligence and they'll start changing their operations which makes them vulnerable for more exploitation of additional intelligence. >> how rattled do you think a group like this actually gets? i mean, because they've seemed resilient in the past. >> they seemed resilient. this is an area i believe they felt safe. they were deep into the heart of their own territory. and this was a highly risky raid but it was carried out with such precision and no loss of life on our side. they have to be wondering now what's happening next. certainly they're going to try to figure out what went wrong and change some of their procedures some of their methods of operation giving us an advantage to figure out the next

step and hopefully more raids to come. >> you're familiar with the website vokatvive. after the raid isis members saying they're more determined can than ever to hit the u.s. right here in the homeland. do you have concerns it could trigger something here or is that a stretch? >> i think it's a bit i've stretch. isis has been using the internet and social media to recruit people. we saw what happened in garland, texas where these guys traveled to attacking that exhibition of the prophet cartoon. so you know, if that's what they're going to continue to do, we'll be ready for it. there's more than a hundred cases open on potential people that have either expressed interest to join isis tried to join isis persons of interest that the fbi and joint terrorism task forces around the country are watching. certainly we're ready for this type of thing. it's a concern but it's more of the same honestly. >> don borelli, thanks so much. amtrak has been ordered to

take immediate steps to improve safety on its busy northeast corridor following the deadly derailment in philadelphia. order from the fra comes as service is expected to resume tuesday. the fra wants them to immediate use current technology to control train speeds assess risks on all curves in the corridor as well as increase the number and frequency of speed limit signs. msnbc's adam reese is at philadelphia's amtrak station. talk about the investigation. what's the latest in that regard? >> alex good afternoon. the fbi looking to see if there's a pattern here. a link between three trains hit by projectiles minutes apart just miles apart. let's look at the three. first we will an asell la train 9:9:05 p.m. tuesday night this ena accept ta commuter train at 9:10 of course, amtrak 1 8. officials say it was a fist-sized projectile that went through window killing eight people. engineers in this area call it getting rocked along the

northeast corridor it's so common getting hit by projectiles, that he actually protect themselves with armor in the front window. listen to robert sum walt of the ntsb. >> we are investigating the accident and have asked the fbi to come in and provide technical expertise to help us resolve and figure out what was a particular damage pattern on one of the windshields. we're investigating it at this point and asked hem to help us identify that fracture pattern. >> whether or not this was the cause of the train going 106 miles. er hour, we just don't know but the federal railway administration has ordered amtrak to install atc, automatic train control. that would alert the engineer the train's going too fast. they also asked them to put signs up for curves and signs up for speed. alex. >> adam reiss in philadelphia, thank you much. fewer americans are identifying themselves as christians. what's behind this shift? but first the amtrak crash will

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to political headlines. another weekend, another road trip for republican presidential hopefuls. nearly a dozen declared and potential candidates made their way back to iowa for the annual lincoln dinner. just like in weeks past many took swipes at the current democratic front-runner hillary clinton. >> you listen to barack obama, president obama and hillary clinton, you think the way to measure success is by how many people are dependent on the government. >> hillary clinton must not be president of the united states but not because she is a woman. she must not be president of the united states because she is not trustworthy. she lacks a track record of

leadership and her policies will crush the potential of this nation. >> we can beat hillary. we must beat hillary. we will beat hillary. we will take our country back starting in 2016. >> there are only 541 days left for the end of the age of obama and hillary clinton. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton is also heading back to iowa making two stops in the first in the nation state monday and tuesday and then cap off the week with another trip to new hampshire. let's get more now on the investigation into the fatal amtrak train derailment. politicians on both sides of the aisle weighed in how funding of the nation's rail system might have played a factor. >> the lack of infrastructure spending is costing us lives. our safety as a nation, our air traffic, our aviation infrastructure, rail infrastructure -- roads and bridges is inadequate. we should be investing more. that's unassailable. for us not to do that in a bipartisan fashion is unacceptable to me and it's what we should be working on.

>> to suggest and insinuate that this tragedy could have been avoided or would have been avoided had congress had some more spending or had congress had a different budget i think it's the wrong suggestion to make. it should not be in this conversation. >> joining me now congressman matt cart right democrat from pennsylvania a member of the oversight and government reform committee. thanks for joining me. house speaker john boehner also accusing democrats and making this a little issue. let's listen to what he said this week. >> are you really going to ask such a stupid question? listen, you know they started this yesterday. it's all about funding. it's all about funding. well, obviously it's not about funding. the train was going twice the speed limit. adequate funds were there. no money's been cut from rail safety. and the house passed a bill earlier this springing to reauthorize amtrak and authorize a lot of the these programs. >> where does the truth lie?

>> well it's not quite as cut and dried as all of that. in fact, if i could add some texture on some of your earlier discussion congress has already authorized what they call positive train control system to be in by the end of the year. the truth is, they already have something called automatic train control and that's what the ntsb and fra is insisting be put in place when they put this line back in place. automatic train control is what they call it, and it's something that is not quite as comprehensive as positive train control but it would have prevent this had tragedy and it is available now. they're going to put that in on the northbound line. another thing that's interesting is people say, well, you know the train engineer wasn't hit by a projectile. they would have known it if he had been obviously.

so how could a projectile have led to this. and the working hypothesis still holds true i think that if somebody threw a projectile, other train engineers have said this, if something big and heavy hits the windshield just the noise just the shock and surprise alone can disorient the train engineer. now, this is a train coming out of the north philadelphia station. it's about a three-mile stretch to get to the curve where the accident happened. and when 188 came north out of that station the routine practice is for him to open up the throttle to get right up to about 80 miles an hour and then when you get to the curve that's when you have to put the brakes on to slow down for the curve. so in other words, the throttle would have been wide open. then if the engineer got disoriented from the impact of a projectile, he could have forgot to put the brakes on for the curve. >> oh yeah.

we'll think about it. i don't know if you've driven in a car as i have where something hit the windshield. it's incredibly startling and that was a little pebble and there was a break in the glass. that was frightening for sure and i was not traveling at 0 plus miles an hour. talk about the investigation as it is just beginning. what can be done to at least address the infrastructure issues? i know you're talking about the two areas in which they're man dayed we're going to have improvements but infrastructure overall is a huge issue across amtrak and many other parts of this country. >> well, i want to say i agree a little bit with what's what speaker boehner said about not making an immediate link willage to this. it is a general true statement that the more money you put into the infrastructure the safer the systems are going to be. that applies for every bist of our american infrastructure from our roads from our bridges to our train systems. to everything. so the more money we're willing

to put into these systems the safer in general they will be. and look, the truth is we have to be grown-ups sometimes. there are those in congress who start all of their analyses from the preset pop proposition that they won't increase spending for their beloved 1 percenters and that the only way we can balance the budget is 0 cut, cut, cut. if you start your analysis from that approach you're not going to end up with the most intelligent decision in the end. i say you have to -- at some point you realize when you grow up, your barnts were spending money on the mortgage or rent payments and you have to do it, too. it's time for everybody in congress to act like grown-ups now. >> there's a good point. let's solicit gears to the that i had bill with this morning paul ryan as well as senate majority leader also once again expressing their support for all

of that and said they had the votes to pass this in the chambers. how do you see this playing out given little support from democrats including yourself i believe. do you think president obama has overreached on this issue? >> it's hard to say. i haven't been doing the whip counts on the pta. the tpa, but and the tpp but count me as an opponent of those two items. i tend to favor the t tip which is the trade agreement with europe. and the reason for that is and i've read the tpp. it's classified information. but i demanded that they bring it to my office. i'm a member of congress. i have top secret clearance. i read it. and i'm not satisfied with the current form of it. and i think that the main items of interest are protection of american labor. and protection of environmental standards. i'm not satisfied that the tpp has what we need in this country. we are leery of this kind of

thing after what we saw with nafta. and protection of the environment. look, alex, these are things in this country beat spent generations working on and refining and fighting over and establishing and setting these standards. and the danger is that when you engage in one of these trade agreements all of those standards go out the window. i understand that the importance of establishing good trade relations because that's as good as a good foreign policy because you know, if you're doing a lot of trade with another nation, you're much less likely to have to go to war with them. i get that, but i think the larger problem is the abandoning american standards for labor and environment. those are a problem for me. >> representative matt cartwright, thanks so much for the conversation. david letterman is getting ready to sign off after 33 years on late night tv. but before then, he hosted a short lived daytime show on nbc

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editor "the daily beast." we've all grown up practically with david and all of his antics. we'll put up a list of things he's well-known for. stupid pet tricks those are fantastic. top ten lists extraordinary, as well. give me an idea of how david letterman changed the landscape of american tv. >> when he started johnny carson had created this genre where he invited us all into this polished slick showbiz world and dave introduced irreverence, irony and anarcism to it. he sort of conan o'brien said it best. he was this big fat showbiz hit that seemed to despise show business. he brought this already really wry attitude to it which kind of reflected the way audiences thought of that whole world too. >> i love what conan said this week. nobody's going to be watching us on wednesday night and unfortunately he's probably right. look, there's no shortage of guests paying tribute to david

letterman letterman. george clooney handcuffs himself because he doesn't want dave to leave. bill murray, the significance of him being the final guest. let's listen to his first appearance and how that went. >> ladies and gentlemen, bill murray. >> hi, bill. >> how's it going. >> nice to see you. >> good. >> thanks for being on the show. i certainly appreciate that. >> i missed the first part of the show, by the way. what happened? >> is it going well? i know this is the first show. i think this guy needs a little support. dave letman. >> you know, i love him. a lot of my friends do. do you think in hollywood there's that true support for him or is this at all hollywood hype and getting in on the farewell action. >> i actually think there is support for him. going on his show is a different experience than going on a lot of other shows. he actually interviewed the people. he wasn't just regurgitating the planned stories they had. his big moments were the drew

barrymore moment, the weird andy kaufman moment, making paris hilton cry talking about prison. these days i think the interview wouldn't exist if these "a" listers weren't promoting project projects. when you look at the interviews, those are moments that won't exist anymore. >> do you think he did so well with the awkward or strange moments because of his personality? et wasn't afraid to be on the show and kind of show that he didn't have the smoothly polished figured out. >> exactly. no one did interviews like that or treated those hollywood star lets that way with the same concept tickism and raised eyebrow. within of my favorite after interviews was when don king came on he said what's the deal with the hair. that's something all of us wondered for years but no one had the courage to ask. that's part of his huge appeal and why hollywood liked him too. >> he had his heart surgery. talked about that. a feud with oprah for some time. the allegations of sexual

misconduct and things like that. he seems to is have risen above. in fact, with some of those things just made it all okay. maybe not the very latest thing that i list there had but -- >> when people talk about dave, they're always impressed by his authenticity. he's been on tv for dlee decades in our bedrooms for five hours a week every week. that's a huge amount of intimacy to build with audience. he couldn't have last this had long if he wasn't that the authentic and honest with viewers. >> i'm going to say good-bye. is there one thing you'll miss the most? >> i always liked when he left the ed sullivan theater when he did the hello bits with ruppert. those always had me laughing. >> i read you every day. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> it's been a harrowing weekend for millions of americans in the crosshairs of violent weather and it may not be over. a live report straight ahead.

looking for one of these? yoplait. smooth, creamy, and craved by the whole family. welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." now to the recovery today after severe weather hit the nation's midsection. 29 tornadoes reported across

nine states saturday. including this twister in berle oklahoma. and this morning heavy rains caused massive flooding throughout several states. look at the scene in missouri. the situation just as desperate in northern texas prompting several water rescues there. john yang is in broken arrow oklahoma for us. john, give us an update on what it's like there. >> i tell you, i can show you some of the damage here. take a look at the roof next door here. a lot of roofs on this block look like that pieces of the roofing pulled away. we actually have some places where it's been peeled off the house. all these branches this piece of a fence actually came from across the street blown over here. you see all this white stuff on ground. it's not snow. it's insulation from the houses. i want you to meet brad shirley who is the owner of this house. brad, you were telling me you rode out the storm in the bathtub with a mattress pulled over you. >> yes, sir. >> when is you got out, it he will me about some of the damage you saw that we can't see here.

>> up fortunately, i've got holes on both sides of the house. that let a lot of rain and water come in that fed its way into the vent. i've got a lot of that dripping down from the ceiling where the air vents come out of. so unfortunately, some of that is actually getting in the walls. so a lot of the damage i can't see is probably what's going to be adding up the most. >> yesterday afternoon you told me you were watching your favorite movie which is. >> it was twister. >> and then you're living it that night. >> yes, that's one of the movies i've seen out of any movie that i've seen i've seen that the most. then about six hours later, i fit like helen hunt was by meet. >> the brad works at a lowe's home improvement. i'm sure it will be busy because of people from this. also you're going to be using your employee discount. >> i've got a lot of stuff to get. hopefully they don't put a cap on it. >> alex, back to you. >> i can't believe the irony of that watching his favorite movie "twister" and lo and behold what

happens. glad things look be okay despite the work ahead. thank you, john. to politics nearly a dozen republican presidential hopeful with in iowa to get support. hillary is going back to iowa this week. her second trip to the state comes days after a filing which revealed that she and former president bill clinton earned nearly $34 million mostly from speech give. >> ann, it's good to see you. take a listen to a portion of kristen welker's report from nicely news. >> the disclosures complicate the candidate's attempt to champion herself for working class americans. something she struggled with before. last year she was heavily criticize ford saying this. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. >> and bill clinton hasn't exactly helped. recently raise ageyebrows in an interview with cynthia mcfadden. >> she's now running for

president. will you continue to give speeches? >> oh, yeah. i got to pay our bills. >> from an appearance perspective alone, ann, how might the campaign handle this? do you think advisors makes it more difficult for hillary clinton to be a champion of the working class? >> but they've known all an along that there duality not only exists but would continue to exist probably they would not have preferred that bill clinton look quite as cavalier about it. but yeah, i mean, he's been giving speeches for hun$300,000 and up for many years and since hillary clinton left the state department, she's joined in. the speeches she gave that we knew about last year we never knew exactly how much she was getting paid for. so part of the news in the disclosure is that she's kind of up there in the same ranks as her husband in terms of what she's getting paid.

starting at about $100,000 per speech and moving up to $350,000 for one speech which is not a bad way to spend a couple of hours. >> i mean but at the same time, she's trying to make the point that she understands the problems of working families. she is committed to trying to make the playing field more level, improve stagnating wages, make all kinds of other improvements for the bottom line of middle class families. so far most of that is rhetoric. she's starting to put a little bit of flesh on those bones from a policy perspective and will continue to do so over the next year. but it's a bit difficult to do. optically when most americans could say wait a minute, never in a million years going to earn like even $100,000 in a year let alone for one speech. >> but ann, do you think when

shoo he travels to iowa and new hampshire this week, hillary clinton will be looking at i guess the travails of jeb bush's past week and taking a cue from that playbook and learning from those mistakes anticipating questions from reporters about all this? will she be better prepared to handle that, do you think? >> she has been so far. i mean she has declined to answer a couple of the tougher questions facing her at least answer them in any depth. so far on the campaign trail. and we don't know whether she'll start taking questions in a more formal or sustained way this week but i would wager that she'll be better prepared than he appeared to be. >> can i ask you when was the last time that hillary clinton answered a reporter's question directly? >> i believe it was to andrea mitchell in new hampshire two, three weeks ago. >> okay. there's something to you know notoriety there. i also want to talk about the report that you gave on hillary

clinton. she's one person she's not piling on jeb bush about iraq. and this is, of course, because she voted for the push into iraq when she was a senator. is this an issue she can afford to sit out considering the focus appears to be on the republicans at this point? >> for now, yeah. i mean why do something why get in there and start beating him up when the republicans are doing it for you i think is one way to look at it, also, anything she says about iraq immediately reminds liberal voters who may not fully trust her even now that they had reason back in 2008 to have great suspicions about what she would do as a capped or as president in the national security realm. i mean a lot of that has faded. it's a long time since she cast that vote. she has disavowed it. why from her perspective, why remind people of it now.

>> george stephanopoulos in admitting this week had he donated $75,000 to the clinton foundation highlighting this to the issue that you and i were just talking about. but i had howard dean on in the last hour. he doesn't think this is as up an issue about something that the gop can go after with george stephanopoulos. he thinks it's more of an issue for abc news. where do you come down on this? i don't presume to judge what abc news should or shouldn't do but i mean it certainly these kinds of donations were not viewed as politically partisan over the last few years. it was sort of more seen certainly in the corporate realm as giving to the clinton foundation was generally doing good in the world and showing your commitment to rebuilding houses in haiti and you know getting rid of ebola and so forth. i mean, in the context of hillary clinton's political life and the run up to the campaign,

probably people should have been paying more attention over the last year or two. hey, do we want to be giving money to anything that has theof word clinton in it, but i mean, it certainly over the last several years was not viewed as a partisan organization norg those where is contributions viewed really specifically in a political light. >> let's face it, it's not a big surprise that george stephanopoulos would give to that foundation. he launched his career on abc as a result of working with them. okay. and guerin thanks so much. >> thank you. >> a new study finds a decline in christianity in the this country especially among millenials. why is this happening and what are the impligss for religion and society. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler.

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are on the rise. senior religion writer for the "huffington post." gentlemen, i'm glad to have you both here. father, the pew report notes between 2007 and '14, the christian share of the u.s. population fell from 78% to 70. to what do you attribute the drop. >> i think there's a lot of things going on that contribute to the drop. for one thing, it's much more culturally acceptable in the united states today to say that you're a nonbeliever. this was totally unacceptable in the 1950s. so people who are -- who are not connected now feel quite comfortable being honest and saying that they're not religious. and if you look at this group of nonreligious, find there are really three types of people here. first is the group that just doesn't care about religion and this is the largest group. there's another group though that still says religion is

important in their life. they're spiritual. they're still seeking trying to find the church that fits them. and then there's a very smaller group that simply is atheist agnostic and in a committed kind of way. >> hmm. i want to ask you about the second point that the father was making there and that is the folks that find themselves to be spiritually religious but not necessarily identifying with a specific church affiliation. why is that? the organized churches? why are they dropping? >> you know, i don't think like tom says that they're still looking. some of them might be looking for a church to join but the trends show over the last decade or more that actually, people just don't want to name themselves as any religion. >> why, because it's not pc or. >> for example i think 40% of lgbt people say they have they're non, they have no

religion. i think the obvious conclusion is a lot of lgbt people think the urgeches are not friendly to them. >> do you think, father, a lack of trust in institutions of religion is because of the institution and not a loss of faith? people think that oh the churches are a business like anything else? >> well there's a lot of varied reasons for these kinds of things. a large significant percentage of the noneuns are not married. they are not joiners. they don't have children. they're a group that is still kind of finding themselves, especially those who are the millenials, where we have a large percentage of the people who are not religious. and don't find religion attractive. clearly among the millenials, we also see there are a lot of people who find the positions of

the religious groups too conservative. they pose their views on abortion and gay marriage and things like that. and find just -- don't find anything attractive in the religious communities. >> professor daniel writes in a recent wall street journal column, with hardly any significant exceptions religion recedes whenever human security and well-being rises. what about that? are we going to continue to see a fall off unless there's a quality of life decline in the u.s. where people aren't reaching for something to prop themselves up? >> i think that's true. that's how it works. if you look at countries in asia and africa, they are more religious. that's not the only thing, of course. there's a lot of factors here like father said. i think we will, unless something really bad happens. that's one factor to consider. >> this is the conversation we

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this sunday, that special forces raid into syria that killed an isis commander. how big a blow is this to the terror group? also, the amtrak crash. >> i thought i was a goner. most of us did. it was so violent. >> does this tragedy spark a bigger debate on rebuilding america? plus, jeb bush's terrible, horrible, no good very bad week on iraq. >> would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would, so would have hillary clinton. >> it's haunting jeb bush's future. and republican candidates suddenly all opposed to the iraq war.