right now on "andrea mitchell reports," biker wars. one 170 suspects held in texas. how big a threat are motorcycle gangs now threatening to retaliate against waco police? >> we know the additional biker gang not invited to this meeting showed up. hence what we were calling somewhat of a turf war, if you will. secret e-mails. the judge just ruled all of hillary clinton's private e-mails cannot remain secret until next year. after the state department told the courts it cannot meet earlier deadlines. no comment yet from the candidates campaigning this hour in iowa. >> the deck is still stack added for

those at top. people are not getting a fair shake. the state can want says baghdad is safe. isis is 70 miles from baghdad. >> when a major city in iraq, ramadi gets overrun by isil and the administration says it's a temporary setback. it's 70 miles from baghdad. it's time for the president to get serious about this threat. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where we learn more about the deadly biker brawl in texas this weekend. moments ago, the waco police department held the news conference and down played fears of attacks planned against police. >> there's been credit threats against law enforcement in and

around our area. i will tell you those have toned down over the last 24 hours. we're absolutely thankful of that. i made mention last night there's been enough tragedy and enough bloodshed in waco, texas. we would appreciate there not being anymore. >> 170 bikers are held, charged with engaging in organized crime. each at $1 million bond. nbc miguel joins me now with the latest. bring us up to date. >> reporter: the police call this a very active crime scene. they're sorting through saying the crime scene is inside and outside of the restaurant. they're combing through hundreds of weapons discovered. guns clubs, chains billy clubs found here. they're processing those. they say the crime scene could take several more hours to process. in the process also of removing the vehicles left here.

170 people have been arrested, many held on $1 million bond. they are not going to be getting out of jail any time soon according to police. investigators say this began with confrontation between two well known biker gangs in the parking lot. the criminal element was visible. police had been monitoring them quite some time. officers were in visible marked police cars when the fight began. that turned into a gun battle. that's when they became involved exchanging gunfire they say. nine left dead 170 taken into custody. many of them still in custody andrea. >> were all victims members of one or other of these gangs? were there any civilians or bystanders involved? >> reporter: this happened in a busy parking lot of many box stores. investigators say they were extremely lucky no innocent

bystanders were hurt. it was sunday lunch rush. 200 bikers were inside the restaurant at twin peaks. it was mostly packed with folks investigators say were involved with criminal activity. other neighboring restaurants were busy. nobody hurt in those. police say it's a miracle no one else was injured. >> what about retaliation? we heard the police chief saying they hope things calm down. are they under threat from other bikers? >> reporter: investigators are taking those threats seriously. they say active shooters sunday afternoon and evening they did see several motorcycle riders coming into this area. they took them into custody. officers are clearly on high alert. officers traveling in teams around the city saying that they

are not going to jeopardize their safety. they're still on heightened alert. they believe that tension is now simmering. >> miguel, thank you. texas may be ground zero for rival bike gangs, but there are plenty of turf wars around the country going on. joining me is pat, former leader of minnesota hell's angels and the deputy that pursued him for years before putting him in prison. this book about the bike rider gangs and chasing them. first to. you were head of the angels in minnesota and served time. tell me about this incident in waco and what you think is going on inside rival gangs that led to this outbreak. >> this is nothing new andrea. this has been going on quite a while with motorcycle clubs or

gangs as you say. it's all over turf. who's the big guy on the block? banditos have been in texas for years. obviously they take it as a threat. they don't like it. that's typical for a motorcycle club. as an hell's angel, i was involved with the outlaws motorcycle club in minnesota. the outlaws were from chicago and all different other areas. but during that war, my truck was blown up with c 4 and different retaliation was going back and forth between the two clubs. this is nothing new. >> c-4 is kind of explosive used by terrorists overseas. chris, as a law enforcement guy, this is serious stuff. we don't see it rise to the level of the horrible outbreak

in waco much. how common is this? >> it's uncommon. we haven't seen it since the 60s. it's about the patch guys wear signifying which group they're in. i call it king of the hill. it gets violent goes on all over the place. this jumped off and got a lot of people killed and hurt. now i wanted to talk to you pat about how you eventually got arrested served time. i understand it was because of cocaine. is drug dealing -- you correct me if i'm wrong. is drug dealing one of the great sources of revenue and this is one of the turf fights? >> no. the turf fight isn't over drugs. it's over area and respect. when a club is in that area and another club moves in they take that as infringement on their territory. it could be another major club moving in which will eventually lead to a war with the clubs.

as far as the drugs go i can only say what happened in my chapter. yes, we were involved with illegal drugs. the turf war that thing in waco wasn't over drugs. that was over territory. >> and it was over territory pat and chris with more than one biker gang or club. >> yes. the smaller clubs align with the bigger clubs. that's the way it works. eventually they all want to work into a position they can join a bigger club. >> and chris, what is the social connection here? what's the cause and effect? i've known about the hell's angels since the 60s. we all have. they've been in many films. what's their connection in many cities around the country.

how viable and vibrant are they? >> vibrant all over the united states and world. they're an international organization. they -- every chapter runs somewhat independently. not like they're allel connected running together, escapely in ly-- especially in the crime world. what you've got is a bunch of men, a lot criminals they filter out and find out who's your best guy for keeping secrets and everything else. these guys got their own network amongst themselves to commit crimes or with other chapters and gangs. it's a network developed for their business. >> pat, how many of these groups are non violent and just bonded by their love of a bike and life on the road? >> oh i couldn't give you that answer. there's some clubs out there that are definitely in to it for r just motorcycling.

i really couldn't answer that question. >> well, i guess the question is are they mostly violent groups and do they need to be outlawed? how do law enforcement deal with it? >> there's good and bad in every club. there's good guys that want to do it right in hell's angels and bandidos. then you've got the criminal element. it's opportunity to work with folks that have the same thing in mind, drugs and whatever motorcycle theft, whatever goes hand in hand with that. >> well pat matter and chris authors of the book "breaking the code." fascinating insights. more to be learned. to be continued. thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. and we have new developments in the amtrak train derailment that killed eight passengers a week ago.

more than 20 people remain hospitalized, some seriously. the fbi ruled out the theory the bullet struck the train 's windshield. the ntsb is considering whether a projectile like a rock may have struck it possibly disorienting the engineer new to the route. still unknown is why the rain accelerated before hurdling off the track. the ntsb investigation is expected to last 12 months. train service has returned to normal. hillary clinton is at an event in iowa. we'll hear about that coming up next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.

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yeah maybe when i finish talking to people here. how's that? i might. i'll have to ponder it. i will put it on -- >> hillary clinton moments ago in iowa asked if she will take questions. it's been a couple of weeks since she's taken questions. the last she answer add was on trade when i asked her about it many new hampshire ten days ago. in any case a federal judge in washington has just today told the state department it cannot wait until next year to release all of hillary clinton's private e-mails. instead ordering a rolling partial release over the course of next few months. clinton e-mails about libya and today digging into a string of memos about the former secretary of state and close friend and former aid sidney bloomingthal

who was contacting privates. chris, msnbc contributor and founder of washington post fixed blog. nick to you, let's go to this bloomingthal story and cut to iowa if hillary clinton starts taking questions. tell us why bloomingthal is significant and what you read into these e-mails about her state department days with her e-mails the secretary as you report detailed e-mails about the libya situation then passed onto her top aids. >> here's a long time friend and advisor to clintons. he was not previously known for e per tease on -- for expertise.

he was for hillary clinton and her top advisors. she often takes the information he provides, passes it on to deputies, senior state officials and diplomats on the ground in libya and asks them to respond. in some cases the information seems to have been inaccurate. diplomats on the ground said it wasn't quite right. there was one memo he confused two politicians in libya with the same last name. what's fascinating is the side pocket of intelligence coming in the side door making it's way to her decision making. >> as you point out in the story, all cabinet officials and senior officials receive outside information and sometimes pass it along to be vetted. you have interesting notes. she says sometimes she notes to

her aids check into this. when you talked to former cia official says sourcing was sloppy. some of this stuff is passed on to chris stephens former ambassador killed in benghazi. to you susan page, you've covered this back story. he was the one who did not work in the state department. >> he had the patched together relationship and continues to work for clintons on various projects. here's the thing that surprises me about this excellent story nick has done. we thought a year ago we would have said hillary clinton is controversial but vetted. there's not new things about hillary clinton.

every day we find this complicated relationship with private interests, with outsiders has contributed to all these things we didn't know and are finding out in a very unhelpful way for her presidential campaign. >> and the judge is ruling that it has to be rolled out. there will not be a document done new year's day or something. >> yeah. >> it's going to come out piece by piece. >> a great american author said the past isn't ever past. that keeps running through my head when we look at clintons. who thought we would be talking about syd blumemthal. i would have said the

conventional visitwisdom that this would have come out. this rolling release is problematic. death by 1,000 cuts. when you release 55000 pages of documents on one day which would be a selected day when not a lot are working. it's hard to go through all that stuff. if it's piece by piece, you're going to have four, five, six stories at a minimum about the release much less what's in it. the more we talk about these e-mails, the worse for her. >> how about they released the financial disclosure forms. hillary clinton made $25 million on speeches in the last year it is less likely there will be a whole lot of press attention. let's get to the issue of the benghazi committee. the special committee was viewed

by a lot of people. conventional wisdom was this has been vetted, gone through. why is this special committee -- a lot of house republicans were not keen on the fact there was another committee giving hillary clinton the platform to try to show she can talk down any committee. now the committee has set they're not going to hold the hearings that were supposed to take place this week because that a has not been turned over and vetted. this gets wrapped up in continuing narrative that cannot be help frlful. >> it's true. there's a huge number of unknowns here. we were surprised to find in these e-mails this overlap with some private contractors who blumenthal were contacting. the intelligence he was

providing to hillary clinton was in part coming from contractor who is had their own contacts and sources on the ground. it's messy. frankly even with our story there's a lot of pieces that aren't clear to us. a who is doing what, getting paid to do what. the fact blumenthal was installed at clinton foundation for other work and doing this on his own time for her, it adds to confusion and messiness of the whole narrative for her. >> hillary clinton has just left the room without answer agoing questions. i'm told she did answer some questions. we will get a feed of that momentarily. here's what she said during the round table itself when asked by one of those participants about trade. this is the most extensive comment we've had about the controversial trade deal which has of course become a battle cry of elizabeth warren and others on the left side of the democratic party. >> i have said i want to judge

the final agreement. i have been for trade agreements, against trade agreements. i tried to make the evaluation depending on what i thought they would produce. that's what i'm waiting to see. >> she went to considerable detail about the pros and cons. she mentioned the amendment on currency regulation which is controversial with this white house. china is not doing that anymore. she has an out here and says i haven't seen what the deal is. >> she has an out but i think it's hard for her not to take a position on this treaty. we all know what she wrote in the book it was the gold standard of treaties. that's when she was secretary of state. now she's taking a more cautious, skeptical attitude toward her. this is one of the big issues she's being attacked on by bernie sanders for instance martin o'malley people that want to challenge her in democratic primaries.

i'm not sure how she continues to take a position. i'm not sure i don't know. there are pros and cons. at the end of the day, she needs to come and say i agree with when i said before or change my mind. >> during that q&a she answered questions. alex, please tell us what did she say and did she answer questions about e-mails? >> >> reporter: she did address the e-mails and said she wants them re released as soon as possible. she said she doesn't have control over that because the state department is controlling that. she wants them released as soon as possible. she spoke about iraq and repeated she regretted her vote of authorizing the war. didn't say much more about what she expects to seize s tos to see now. she spoke about the $30 million she and her husband have made over months giving speeches. she says she's been lucky but

still thinks she can be a champion for everyday americans despite that. >> i have some question as to why she wouldn't have control over the e-mails since they originated with her. certainly somebody on her team has copies even if she destroyed them all. >> reporter: right. she turned over 55000 pages of documents to t state department. she said that's everything related to her work on that private e-mail. she destroyed them. she says she has no control over this process and they need to go through the state department review process. even though septembers to -- she said nobody has greater interest in getting them out sooner than i do. that's correct. politically she'd like to get this behind her. basically saying her hands are tied. >> you've been there every step of the way. how extensive was her question and answer session? how was follow up?

do you think she'll get the chance to try with opponents? >> reporter: i don't think it will satisfy them but hopefully for a while. this is as extensive as she's gotten. this was approaching the press conference in the level of questions she answered. only four or five questions for about five minutes. there were many questions being shouted. i was trying to ask her about a few. >> we've got that tape in now. that wasn't a live feed. we're going to play hillary clinton moments ago where alex and others are on the trail, kristin welker from our team are asking questions. >> given the situation in iraq do you think we're better off without saddam hussein in power? >> i know there's been a lot of

questions posed to candidates over the last week. i made it clear i made a mistake, plain and simple. i have written about it in my book talked about it in the past. what we now see is a very different and dangerous situation. the united states is doing what it can. ultimately, this has to be a struggle the iraqi government and iraqi people are determined to win for themselves. we can provide support, but their going to have to do it. >> onb] that came out, how do you expect americans to relate to you? >> bill and i have been blessed and very grateful for opportunities we've had. we've never forgotten where we came from and never forgotten the kind of country we want to see for our granddaughter. a this means we're going to fight to make sure everybody has the same changes to live up to

his or her own god given potential. i think most americans understand the deck is stacked for those at top. i am running a campaign that is clearly stating we want to reshuffle that deck. we want to get back to more opportunities for more people so thick they can make more out of their own lives. i think that's what america is looking for. >> your relationship with secretary of state with blumenthal. there's reports this morning you exchanged many e-mails. if you were elected president, would you have the same relation relationships with old friends? >> i have many, many old friends. i think it's important to have friends before you got into politics and understand what is on their minds. we've been friends for a long time. he sent me e-mails i passed on

in some instances. that's part of the give and take. when in the public eye and public position you have to make sure you don't hear from a small kbroup of people. i'm going to keep talking to my old friends whoever they are. >> did you learn today the state department might not release your e-mails until january 2016? the federal judge says they should be released sooner. will you demand they be released soon senator was there conflict of interest in you giving paid speeches in the run up to announcing you're running for president? >> no. i have said repeatedly i want e-mails out. nobody has bigger interest in getting them released than i do. i respect the state department. they have their process they do for everybody, not just for me. anything they might do to expedite that process, i heartily support. i want the american people to

learn as much as we can about the work i did with our diplomats and development experts because i think it will show how hard we worked and what we did for our country during the time i was secretary of state. i worked extremely hard on behalf of our values and interests and security. and the e-mails are part of that. i have said publicly, i'm repeating here in front of all of you today. i want them out as soon as they can get out. >> will you do demand it? >> they're not mine. they belong to the state department. the state department has to go through the process. as much as they can expedite the process, that's what i'm asking. please move as quickly as they possibly can to get them out. thank you. thank you all very much. thank you. >> and back to my colleague, kristin welker. the former secretary of state exhorting the state department

to release e-mails. is it logical she wouldn't have some influence getting those released? >> i mean the amount of e-mails are probably in the dozens of hundreds. i'm i'm an absolutest. i think they should move quickly. we're talking thousands of pages of records. they have to be screened to see if there's confidential or private information. it's a process. it's often a slow process. i can't believe she benefits from drawing it out any longer. >> alex out there on the campaign, this is the most extensive q&a i've seen with hillary clinton. i've been to every other event. does this indicate they realize

she's beginning to look really -- as some put count down clocks as she's been under fire from every potential candidate for not answering questions? >> reporter: yeah, that's absolutely right. pressure has been mounting days. i was here yesterday with rick santorum in town. he directed a third of his questions to hillary clinton and her not releasing records. she's running a front runner style of campaign. it's happening so early in the race she doesn't need us. she's getting her message out in plenty of ways. the pressure had been mounting. i think she wants to attack poll numbers ticking up suggesting she's untrustworthy. >> susan page, we saw what

happened when hillary clinton ran a front runner campaign last time around and the candidate president obama came up on her. no credible democrz challenge in terms of financing or name recognition. o'malley might run. elizabeth warren says she will not. >> i don't think it's too perilous with the democratic primary. we're going to have a competitive election. she can handle anything thrown at her. it's a question to me why she doesn't answer a couple questions everyday to make her case. she does it very well. >> thank you all so much. alex, thank you for the hustle getting out so quickly. we appreciate what you're doing on the road. and kristin welker asking the questions and susan page and chris cillizza and nick. great reporting. thanks for being with us and

sharing today. now to iraq. isis is now in charge in ramadi. sacred ground nor americans. 200 u.s. troops lost their lives in ramadi between 2003-2008. after iraq's army fled in retreat this week, retaking ramadi depends on iranian backed shia militias. >> we needs to understand the whole middle east is likely to be in turbulence and violence for as far into the future as we can see. sunni versus shia, secular versus islamists. we don't have a strategy at all. we're playing this day-to-day. >> i'm joined by former u.s. ambassador nick burns, now a professor at harvard kennedy school of government. is there any scenario in which this is good news? secretary of state john kerry said we'll get ramadi back.

we're relying on basic shiite militias. this is iran. >> this is a real setback, the loss of ramadi to islamic state. they already control fallujah and mosul second largest in the country. it's recommended it's contained. it's not contained. it's drawing inheerns inging from the market. i think this is wake-up call for the administration. we need to reassess the policy we've been following. >> that policy was all dependent on this new iraqi government. what does this say about the new iraqi leadership a year after

mosul fell, almost a year -- in june it will be a year -- how the rebuilding of iraqi army looks to be less of a work in progress. they ran, fled left american equipment behind. >> well they certainly did in mosul last summer. the process of rebuilding the entire army to make it effective and representative of major cities in iraq is going to take time. they're not up to the task now. they've put shia militants back into the fight surrounding ramadi. that may help in the short term battlefield but not going to help in longer term of trying to win back allegiance in the sunni tribes to have shia militants fighting. it's not going to reassure them given the fact the former prime minister sunnis did not feel that government represented their interest. the larger problem is this.

we have -- we say we want to defeat the islamic state and so we should. the reality is we have a contained policy in place. we're not willing and i think should not put may american military forces on the ground. all we have is air power.effective in containing the problem but can't lead to defeat of the islamic state. you a need the iraqi army and militant groups in syria to strike back at islamic state. the administration has been slow in arming those groups. >> nick burns thank you very much for being with us am bass dr dor -- ambassador. good to see you. >> thank you. what this might mean for law enforcement in the cities near you next. this is msnbc. ideas come into this world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are.

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. we've seen how militarized gear can sometimes give people the feeling like there's an occupying force as opposed to force part of the community protecting them and serving them. it can alien eight and intimidate and send the wrong message. we're going to prohibit equipment made for the battlefield not appropriate for the local police departments. >> president obama has banned the federal government supplying some militant equipment to local police departments. this is clearly a response to what happened in ferguson in particular. obama made the announcement in camden new jersey, once the murder capital of the nation. he'sing he's praising the new approach to policing. it's great to see you chief.

good to see you again. we've talked about this before on air on our show. this is a capstone having the president there to talk about this after the year of policing around the country. what about the criticism? >> good afternoon andrea. thanks for having me on. i don't necessarily see this ruling consistent to be honest. if you look at items prohibited, tracked armor equipment, grenade launchers and weapons greater than 50 caliber like tank personnel ammunition. i don't see that a hamstringing the police in dealing with disturbances to be honest. one of the things we've learned

in the last year or so and been extremely challenging for us is rebuilding trust with the community. the manner in which some of this equipment was used in places like ferguson unfortunately has caused the people that we need to trust us and that we need consent are questioning that. they have made it clear that they've got concerns with not only us, how we use this equipment, but even possessing it. in light of the times and in light of the concerns that heard from the american people it's something we have to be cognizant of. my understanding is this ruling is something moving forward. it's not retro active for what's currently on the field. >> a lot of this equipment is still out there in places like missouri where ferguson of course took place. i don't recall seeing after the state troops were called up by maryland's governor.

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there's a chilling twist in the murder mystery here in washington after the family and housekeeper were found dead in the prestigious neighborhood blocks from here. we have details. >> good day to you. with funerals planned for four victims, sources tell our washington station, investigators believe more than one person was likely involved in the murders of the wealthy family and their housekeeper. sources say it's likely the killers had knowledge of the family and how they lived their day-to-day lives. there was month sign of forced entry at the home. chilling new details of what investigators believe happened inside that washington d.c. mansion. sources telling nbc station that the couple their son and long time housekeeper were held captive in the home overnight. they were bound and threatened through thursday afternoon when they were murdered.

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i've said i want those e-mails out. i respect the state department. they have their process they do for everybody not just for me. anything they might do to expedite that process i heartily support. i want the american people to learn as much as we can about the work that i did with our diplomats and development experts. i think it will show how hard we work and what we did. >> chris cillizza is back with me. the state department has said the state department will release a schedule for a rolling are production by the end of the week of e-mails ordered by the court as well as deadline of the

release of benghazi e-mails as ordered by the court. the state department says it will comply. >> last night it was january 2016. 12 hours later it's a rolling release. i think that politically speaking, no matter what is in the e-mails, a rolling release is not good for hillary clinton. it's a number of pinch points at which we're reminded she had the private e-mail server. she deleted many e-mails on her discretion and staff's discretion. the more we talk about it the less good it is for her and suggests we're going to talk about it more rather than less. >> chris thank you. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online and facebook, and twitter @mitchell reports. "msnbc live" with thomas roberts is up next. google search: bodega beach house.

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