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as we come on the air, clinton is in iowa breaking her silence with the media. but it's not enough to silence the critics. i'm krystal ball. one on her vote to authorize the iraq war. >> clear that i made a mistake plain and simple. what we now see is a very different and very dangerous situation. >> another on foreign donations to her family's foundation. >> it attracted donations from people organizations, from around the world. and i think that goes to show that people are very supportive of the life saving and life changing work it's done here, at home and elsewhere. >> also on the millions she earned in paid speeches before announcing her campaign. >> well, obviously bill and i have been blessed and we're very grateful for the opportunities that we had but we never forgotten where we came from.
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most americans understand that the deck is stacked for those at the top and i'm running a campaign that is very clearly stating we want to reshuffle that deck. >> the news today while she was secretary of state clinton took foreign policy advice on libya from a long-time friend and adviser who just so happened to also be building a business venture there with libya's interim government. >> i have many, many old friends and i always think that it's important when you get into politics to have friends you had before you were in politics. and to understand what's on their minds, he's been a friend of mine for a long time. sent me unsolicited e-mails which i passed on in some instances and see that's part of the give and take. i'm going to keep talking to my old friends, whoever they are. >> on state department plans to release 55,000 pages of the former secretary's e-mails including 300 e-mails on benghazi. the date is still being hashed out in the courts.
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she was pressed on this by kristen welker. >> i want them out as soon as they can get out. >> they are not mine. they belong to the state department. the state department has to go through its process but as much as they can expedite that process, that's what i'm asking them to do. please move as quickly as they possibly can. >> and msnbc political reporter alex seitz-wald. with all of these stories about her circulating why isn't she doing more to confront them head on? >> because she can. she's running a very typical front-runner style campaign here. she has 100% name recognition. she's getting her message out in plenty of other ways and doesn't need us until now. you know, any time she steps in front of the camera it's a huge risk. she can say something she shouldn't say like when she said she was broke when she left the white house. and meanwhile she's going to
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take flak from us for not speaking to us but i don't think it's filtering down to voters yet. in the local press here in iowa it hasn't been a big deal. of course i think today the pressure had gotten a little too much. she wanted to combat the motion she was not being transparent and dodging issues. she did speak a little bit but five questions, five minutes, not nearly everything that we wanted to ask her, still lots of stuff out there but at least let off a little pressure that was on her for sure. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you so much. let's bring in daily beast political columnist editor of citizen jane politics. it's nice to see you today. >> hey crystal. >> i wanted to start with this sidney blumen that willthal story, friend of the clintons friend of hillary and also employed by the clinton foundation, sending these memos to her about libya, some of which she forwarded on. it's kind of a feels like a typical clinton story. you can't put your finger on
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exactly what's wrong with it but it involves all of these hazy relationships and potential conflicts of interest. how long until stories like this add up to something significant for hillary clinton? >> i think it will start to add up pretty quickly. i really do. i tend to take a different -- have a different opinion whether or not hillary clinton should be speaking to the press about things like this. we had the entire release of the clinton cash book. we had a number of small stories escalating to larger story about hillary clinton and bill clinton, the money they have coming in. what are the their conflicts of interest or level of transparency, who's influencing her as a secretary of state and to do no press to take five questions in nearly a month it just not nearly enough. it feels like her campaign is in denial this will have an effect or they are fighting a fire with a garden hose. i think it's a totally different era in media relations, to
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ignore the press and hope it goes away is a huge mistake and starts to build up. it's not the specific story but it is building on this question is she trust worthy and reliable? can voters trust putting her in the white house? is it starts to build on negative feelings voters have said about her. it's not good for her on the honest and trust worthy question and these stories when they go unanswered, it continues to push that narrative about hillary clinton. >> she did answer a question about the iraq war in 30 seconds, something some of the gop hopefuls have struggled to do. one of them rand paul has been very clear how he feels about the iraq war and how he feels about our role in the middle east. he was on "meet the press" this sunday and chuck todd ask about our role. here's what he said. >> i think when hussein was toppled we got chaos we still have chaos in iraq. i think it em boldened iran and think we now have the rise of
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radical islam in iraq as well. the same question to be fair ought to be asked of hillary clinton if she ever takes questions, they should ask her was it a goody idea to invade libya? did it allow radical islam and isis to grow stronger? >> you look where we are today with libya, it is a mess a disaster. it's a very fair question to ask whether it comes from rand paul or reporter or another candidate, she's going to get this question. how do you answer that? >> well, i think that is the key to hillary clinton's candidacy, how does she explain her time as secretary of state and emphasize her victories. we know honestly so little what she was doing as secretary of state. traveling so much, so much happening here at home. there wasn't a whole lot of detail coverage what she was doing as secretary of state and role she was playing in a lot of decisions that the obama administration made. i think these questions are
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completely fair. it's the type of question she should be ready for. she does answer questions very well and is a skilled speaker. she is somebody who communicates pretty well. i don't know why they are keeping her so closely held at bay when so much of this is starting to erupt around her. it makes you hope that the campaign is getting ready for these questions because she's answered absolutely none of them so far. >> patricia, the reason why they are keeping her away, largely because they understand that the voters are not actually going to be the ones who make the decision on who gets the democratic nominee. it will be the part elites the major elected officials and donors and they understand the system and understand these questions and what is the base of these questions and understand that she's probably most likely to be able to win and general election versus anybody on the democratic side. and the issue is that for the democratic party as long as hillary lacks a serious opponent she can do these sorts of things. she would have to take these seriously, sort of like you know, when you play tennis
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against somebody who is great, the mistakes that you make against somebody like ari will not -- will matter and make a difference because ari doesn't play that well. not to call you out in the middle of the show but it's true. >> you know he's a good joke if he's immediately explaining it. >> folks don't know you to be a tennis player because you're not. going way off the thing but go ahead, patricia. >> i'd like to first of all say she's not going to lose this nomination bltut you start to hear and feel anxiety underneath the surface with democrats saying why is this hillary clinton campaign not going so well right now she has no opponent. she'll have no problems with
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money. she should have her message totally locked up. this seems to be something she's intended to do for almost her entire career. why are there problems at this point? she is not speaking to voters. she is speaking to that democratic elite number of those democratic elites are hoping that the clinton campaign starts to get its act together and very much hoping there's nothing in those state department documents that will be released on this. now we know it's going to be a rolling drip, drip, drip, every 60 days of new stories and questions. they are no longer 100% confident this clinton campaign has its act together. >> to the point you're making, it's not like there's a choice between doing scandal ridden press conferences or ducking the press. the job of an effective campaigner is to use all mechanisms, field political, fund raising social media and yes, talking to the press to get out your values and ideas. she's now held press conferences, the u.n. scandal
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one and this one and seems to only hold them in reaction or under dur he is. she could just as easily give a foreign policy speech or domestic speech and invite reporters in and say let's talk about my speech and what i'm doing today and the other stuff comes up. this way seems like bad campaigning. i do want to plamey her answer on iraq which is important from today. let's look at that the. >> what we now see is a very different and dangerous situation. the united states is doing what it can but ultimately this has to be a struggle that the iraqi government and the iraqi people are determined to win for themselves and we can provide support but they are going to have to do it. >> patricia the republicans have struggled with the answer. she seems to be clear at this point and like them saying she was wrong to support it but being koej ent about what we have to do now. >> she is. for somebody who pretty much lost the last nomination over this issue she has obviously
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given this a great deal of thought and detailed her thought process in the book and served as secretary of state in the ensuing four years. this woman is obviously ready for this question and handles it brilliantly and it more than willingly passes a test, where were you then, why were you wrong? where are you today and what do you see in the future? she hit that out of the park as far as i'm concerned. i'm not saying let yourself get beat up by the scrum every time you do an event that's not a good idea either but maybe do sit-down events, some foreign policy speeches just something to advance her own message instead of these canned i'll talk to ten voters and not take questions, it's not working for her so far. while all of the starts to blow up around her it's time to take more control of the message. >> and work on the tennis game, krystal. >> more important takeaway ari
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is bad at tennis. >> that's fair. >> much more still ahead, including new details about that vicious bike brawl in waco texas, the police department is responding to threats made against cops and isis forces them to defend their position in key iraqi city as the white house is again forced to defend its position in dealing with isis. plus, a market alert stocks pulling back after setting new records on wall street today. we've got you covered as the cycle rolls on, it is tuesday may 19th. keep it here. wish your skin could bounce back like it used to? new neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena. ♪ if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car.
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defense as isis has control of the key iraqi city of ramadi and now are reportedly going door to door looking for supporters of the iraqi government. more than 500 have been killed in terror groups rampage through ramadi, secretary kerry is confident ramadi can be retain in days as coalition bombing has already begun. this video appears to show thousands of iran backed shiite militia men heading there now to try to remove isis. that task seems to be growing harder in part because the terror groups makes so much money, a new york times report says ice is' annual revenue is more than $1 billion a year krystal. here to talk about what our options are going forward is retired army officer senior fellow at the american foundation and friend of the show. doug isis' financial pore trait is extraordinary, they make money mostly from extortion and taxation, oil revenue is way
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down on the list for them and they are spending 3 to $10 million a month on salaries just paying their folks. how do we topple a group that has so much in the way of financial resources? >> well i think this is why you do need -- this is one of those rare occasions where the military solution is the right way. we can't get in and stop the taxation so long as they physically control the ground. as long as they control mostly mosul but also ramadi, pieces of fallujah, they can effectively tax the commercial activity that happens there. if you want to sell bread, slipping a few to the islamic state in order to have your license to do that. >> what do you say to the argument that isis would put forward, which is they claim to be a state. they have turf. there are many repressive regimes that run all sorts of tax systems. they basically say that we're mischaracterizing this and they are running their operations and
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taxing as they see fit. does that legitimacy argument matter? >> i don't think that matters. i'm sure the five families of new york would say something equivalent. they are -- it is effectively taxation, that doesn't make it legitimate. they are still an illegitimate terror force and we need to be pushing them out of these areas. >> as tour'e was mentioning even though isis has taken over ramadi, everything is going to be fine. here's what john kerry said yes yesterday. >> their communications have been reduced and funding and mechanical operations have been reduced and their movements by and large in most certainly where there are air patrols and other capacities have been reduced. but that's not everywhere. and so it is possible to have the kind of attack we've seen in ramadi but i'm absolutely confident in the days ahead that
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will be reversed. >> given the environment that i think we're going to face in the middle east we don't have a strategy at all. we're basically playing this day to day. >> so doug, that second part was former secretary of defense robert gates on "morning joe" and i played that after because it's pretty much the exact opposite of what we're hearing from the administration that we have no strategy at all when it comes to the middle east. very different tunes here. where do you fall in that spectrum? >> we could have no strategy for the middle east and still have a plan to get isil out of iraq. that's effectively where we are. i know secretary kerry, this sounds kind of like saying our team is still great after the quarterback threw the interception that they ran back for a touchdown. i tried to do a tennis metaphor but couldn't make it happen. you're trying to keep the brave face up but the fundamental facts haven't changed. i assured you last time on the show we're going to win in
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conjunction with the iraqis in the next two to three years but isil is going to have good days and some tactical victories and able to use the combination of this sand storm with really creative tactics. if you read michael knight's piece, a very important piece to read. they use in one attack six 15-ton trucks full of explosives similar to what tim mcveigh used to break through the lines in ramadi. it's not just that they collapse, this an extremely effective attack that almost any organized military force would have a problem with. >> that's an interesting point because we have heard about the army collapsing and the money we spent training them. how important of a victim is that and how hard will it be for us to take that city back? >> let's make no mistake, isil had a really good day. this is important for four
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reasons. they are inside ramadi and own the position and have the terrain. it's hard to use air power inside cities. we talked about this here before. second as tour'e said, they are going door to door and executing allies. once we get back there we'll have fewer friends in the city than we had beforehand. third, i think this is underreported they captured the operation center that they used for all of anbar all of the radios and map and command and control, at best it's going to be destroyed assuming we get it back. that's going to be hard to rebuild and remove. then third -- i'm sorry fourth and finally, it's just the information piece. here we are talking about the fall of ramadi instead of inestible collapse -- good weekend, no way around it. >> two blocks, three mentions of tennis. doug olivant thanks for your perspective. president obama rocked the
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>> there have been credible reliable threats towards law enforcement in and around our area. i will tell you those have toned down a bit over the past 24 hours. we're absolutely thankful of that. >> nbc's charles hadlock is in waco with the latest. what is the latest where you are? >> reporter: well, right now this crime scene is two days old and police are still here going through all of the evidence. this parking lot was full of cars on that sunday afternoon and 130 motorcycles, those motorcycles have now been removed. the cars are still here. and right now police are going through each and every car to try to look for more evidence and more clues as to who these people were and what connections they might have. we're beginning to learn more about the dead as well the justice of the peace of mcclendon county released the names of the dead. they include nine men. they range in age from 27 to 65 years of age.
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most of them appear to be from north texas although some are from the houston area. the police department says none are from the waco area. they were coming here to meet at this restaurant four different gang affiliations were meeting here, a fifth gang affiliation showed up that was not invited and that's what started the trouble here according to police. >> charles hadlock in waco, texas, thanks for that. turning now to a little bit of politics. those of us who are constantly reading the 2016 tea leaves are taking big hints from jeb bush's actions over the past few days. well actually it's his wife columba, considering her last name managed to stay out of the political spotlight. people who lived in florida while jeb was governor remarked they wouldn't be able to pick her out of a crowd. just last night she joined jeb on stage and that was pretty unusual. so was the fact she launched both twitter and instagram accounts last week. she published an essay in the
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des moines register. des moines is in iowa as in home of the caucuses, our friends at the atlantic did reporting to solve the mystery of columba bush. thank you so much for being with u. hannah. >> always a pleasure. >> the big takeaway not many know a lot about columba bush but part stuck out to me it was during jeb bush's governing years that column ba let it slip to the press how the career and told jeb he returned her life during his governorship. she often retreated to miami while he was living in tallahassee. that's a pretty big statement there. is that because she feels forced to do so or in a position she feels ready and able to do it? >> they have one of the more interesting marriages i have come across in american politics. it begins with this amazing love story, you have this political
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heir meets a barely middle class woman from mexico and goes on for 41 years. there have been frout patches along the way. maybe now it's been such a long time the children are out of the house and it's not the part where you have little kids and lots to take care of. at this point it might be interesting for her and you can see her easing into it in the last two days in just the way you would expect. >> you also trace the history here of them just as normal very young lovers. people say from the famous jerry maguire movie you complete me. >> i love that part. >> that's sweet of you. >> my co-hosts are saying it's sweet. in that sarcastic way that millennials talk. i meant it seriously. i want to read some quotes you talk about. it looked like meeting
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columba -- made the honor roll for the first time and shared a prize for a history paper. we figured he was just devoted to her. tell us about that transformation that you say some very old friends of jeb bush saw in him which they attribute to her. >> might i note that was in high school. this is a shakespearean love story, he was 17 years old when his friends said that and before that well documented, a pot smoker, screw-up at school wasn't getting good grades. came back from the trip in mexico, fell in love six-week trip and friends saw a completely different person at school. it's an amazing transformation by love. speak romantically sorry. >> for one thing you have a nose for talkers, almost every piece you write people are talking about. we want to have you on the show to talk about that. congratulations on doing it once again. this piece is fascinating and we see sort of the emotional depth of the immigration issue for jeb
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bush. you talk about his father-in-law crossing the border in order to work. we see when jeb talks about immigration as an act of love and people making a commitment to their family, you see a large part of where that comes from and you see the depth of the difficulty he may have on appeasing the gop base which is staunchly anti-immigration. >> yeah everyone in miami knows this about bush. people in the nation are just learning it but he is functionally hispanic. cultural lives as a hispanic. his children grew up speaking spanish and tons of his friends are latino. everybody in miami will tell you he is just as comfortable walking into a room where everybody is latino and speaks spanish as he is where everyone speaks english. you have to think when he talks about immigration, he's not talking about it from a distance and also been pretty straight forward about it. he wrote a book about
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immigration, trying to prepare the republican base for the fact that he's not kidding about immigration. >> hannah i don't want to put the cart before the horse here but i'm sure that jeb and columba have thought about what life in the white house could look like and what her potential role as first lady would be. what were you able to gather about what that role would look like? would she fundamentally redesign it a private role or grow into it and embrace it? i was remembering michelle obama was never as shy or quiet and now we see her on with jimmy fallon and ellen degeneres and more popular than her husband at this point. >> i think laura bush is a better role model for her than michelle obama. she has a couples causes domestic violence and drug abuse, talked about those for years. she loves art. one thing you might see is an infusion of latino art into the
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white house, which would be super cool and interesting. and i think it's a learning process. i talked to the people who educated laura bush and they said that, you see it happening already, twitter, social media slowly comes out and finds what she's comfortable in but i don't think she'll reach where michelle obama has gotten to. >> the theme is you've got to be good at tennis. question is columba bush, good at tennis? >> no but all of the previous bush wives were. that was one of initiations, you have to play tennis with whoever the matriarch was. >> thanks so much for being with us. >> what a theme. >> coming up fascinating and timely new book about the disconnect between wall street and washington. great recession taught us anything, that big banks were too big to fail. does it have to mean the rest of us are too small to save?
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flirting with record highs all day. the policy debate continues over how to protect consumer savings from the speculation that powers so much wall street profit. many have called to renew a depression era rule the glass stealingle act to protect the problem. >> it would attack both the too big and to fail. >> do you think it will be reinstated? >> i hope it is in one way or another. >> i know the 2008 financial crisis didn't happen solely because the wall of glass steigle was knocked down. i strongly believe the repeal of these court provisions played a significant role in changing the banking system in negative ways. >> how did that now popular proposal ever pass in the first place sns the great depression stoked a movement and so different from today that the financial industry was essentially absent from the debate over the banking act.
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bankers were silent having run for cover. with bankers out of the way. congress passed many reformgs that continued to protect americans for today. insurance, regular bank accounts and truth and securities act, and facts and data about their stocks. that story is told in wall street wars, a partner at the major new york law firm and our guest today. how are you? >> thank you, very well. >> let's start with glass steigle which you trace here. how did that become law and why is that important today? >> it became law because there were a number of concerns about money in banks that were part of the federal reserve being used to speculate on wall street. and the credit from the federal reserve was not supposed to be used for speculation but was supposed to be used for commerce. that's how it started. it became many other things. at first insurance, the deposit insurance provisions were not in
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the bill. fdr was against it. but mr. stiegle insisted on it and that's how it came tok. the interesting thing, the separation of commercial banking from investment banking, which is what we see talked about now as something to consider going back to was not controversial. wall street had thrown in the towel on that sort of separation. and also keep in mind this was the depths of the depression, there wasn't that much business to be had in terms of issuing new security. >> do you think there's a factual answer to this? the elizabeth warrens of the world, are they right that wall street can function well and make money without ever having to dip into the consumer accounts, that we should are reerect this wall? >> that wasn't the reason why the banks failed. the banks of new york who were doing the activities that were alleged to be misleading back
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then and bonds that the disclosure wasn't good at and having these investments that lost this money wasn't the wall street bafrpgz that lost the money but the end consumers of the product that were banks all over the country and individuals all over the country. it was never a part of the prudential regulation of the banks to get them out of securities business. it was more of a punishment. >> it seems we haven't learned any lessons you mentioned fdr who talked about this and your book and campaign speech letting people know we've got to be aware of this and make sure unnecessary security is not protected, that we do everything we can to be transparent. here we are having the same conversation, it's like we can't learn. >> we're having the same conversation because you can't repeal human nature. there will always be mistakes made and stupidity. if you look at what caused the great depression, it really was in some ways the tractor. you had the agricultural economy transformed, a lot of money and
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loans made to the agricultural area and crop prices collapsed during the 1920s and that really started the chain reaction of real estate values being depressed and the trade barriers that came up, created the whole great depression. those were the things that caused the banks to fail not like in 2008 where the banks of new york had done things that weren't very smart. >> that's such a great line. you can't repeal human nature. and i was looking at research that a friend of ours did for the aspen institute about banking mentality before and after the latest crash and basically, short story, it hasn't really changed. >> you can substitute bank for any other profession too. everyone is ambitious, try to make money -- >> certainly but one of the things they highlight is putting self-interest above all else, above any sort of moral code above higher mission or any sort of professionalism and that's something they tracked leading up to the 2008 crisis.
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is that same mentality part of what contributed? >> i think you have to separate morality from the rules of the game. okay, because i think when you're looking at any sort of economic system, it isn't really based upon morality in any sort of traditional sense. you have to have rules that say this is allowed and this isn't and you have to make sure that those rules evolve and are interpreted in a way -- >> when you think of doctors for example, like an obvious example, they have a certain moraleity beyond the legalistic definition of what they can and can't do. >> right yeah. >> that doesn't exist for wall street? >> it's a little different when you talk about architecture or banking or you know, building a car. you have to make sure your car didn't kill people. absent those sort of things to say i don't know how you measure the morality of banking. >> let's take another realm of
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morality. does not the culture of the banking, the sort of folks that aggressive who go into that world and who deal with such massive issues of massive amounts of money and growth of the economy and sort of things, doesn't that shape an individual who chooses to go into it and how you're shaped by dangerous ways. >> which is why you need good risk management and why you need people there overseeing the spirits that in good time we think drive economic growth but in bad times, you know, get criticized for doing what they are praised for in other circumstances. >> we never talk about the other side of that. >> is there going to be another crash? >> ultimately yes, has to be. always will be. >> has to be? >> has to be right. >> why does there have to be another crash? >> all of banking is based upon the same fallacy, i go to the bank and give them my money. whenever i want it i can get it back. we know that the bank takes your money and loans it out long
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term. if everybody comes at once and says i wants my money back, no way the banking system can honor that pledge. >> i know you're a good lawyer because i don't agree with everything you say but i love listening to you. >> shock to hear. >> richard farley, thanks for joining us. up next, why you may never look at your supermarket the same way. and may take an omega-3 supplement, such as fish oil. but when it comes to omega-3s, it's the epa and dha that really matter for heart health. not all omega-3 supplements are the same. introducing bayer pro ultra omega-3 from the heart health experts at bayer. with two times the concentration of epa and dha as the leading omega-3 supplement. plus, it's the only brand with progel technology proven to reduce fish burps. new bayer pro ultra omega-3.
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technology is distracting us that is not exactly ground breaking information, we know about the iphones and work e-mails and addictive apps but advertisers found a way to disinstruct consumers and many are oblivious to us like videos that play in taxis or ads at the supermarket checkout screen. in south korea they are pumping the smell of coffee into buses right before they let morning commuters off in front of a dun kin dough nuts. what is the reward for all of us? matthew crawford has done a lot of research on how to take back our minds and all in the new book, the world beyond your head. you describe walking through an airport and being just inundated with advertisements going down escalator anywhere you can look,
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why is that so offensive to you? >> well i mean, an airport is one of those kind of public spaces through which you have to pass just to conduct the business of life. and it seems like every surface is being turned into a site of marketing. you can just avert your gaze from the screens but the fields of view that haven't been claimed for commerce seem to be getting narrower and fewer. and i think this is connected to our wider sense that the very idea of the public has been somewhat eroded and that politics has been captured by narrow interests. >> amen. >> it makes sense to me. you look at the -- what you're talking about in the sort of commercial space and it's like, does it matter and does it help people if they are able to sort of spot what you're talking about? does that somehow inoculate us against treating what we take for granted as neutral spaces or conversation that's are actually
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stimulated by all sorts of commercial strategy? >> yeah, i think just becoming aware of it and more articulate in making a claim for our own our own attention, on our own behalf because it is a resource which we have a finite amount. and attention is you know the faculty by which you pick something out from the flux of everything coming at you and say that's important. and so i think it's the tip of a much bigger cultural iceberg where we're kind of agnostic on the question of what's worth paying attention to. that is, what to value. >> i think this is such an important book and a conversation, especially for the younger generation. i find if i'm not distracted, if you put me in a room by myself for an hour, i get anxiety, i don't know what to do because i'm so used to so many things around me. crystal mentioned the ads in the cab because i can't just sit there. i learn something from those. >> it's terrible! >> i always like those ads. >> what do you learn from an ad? >> i learn from those ads.
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>> you never know. it could be jeopardy. it could be a jimmy fallon skit. >> for folks around the country in new york city these ads, they play automatically. in some cabs, you can't turn them off. >> i actually do have a question for you. you spent some time with what you called the masters of concentration, whether that be a motorcyclist or hockey players, or short order cooks. what did you learn about how you master concentration? >> well, you know, what we often hear is to overcome mental fragmentation. just be more disciplined. turn off your devices. things like that. but self-regulation is like a muscle. it's easily exhausted. you can't do it all day every day. and so my research is based on these case studies of people engaging in these skilled practices, like hockey players and people who make musical instruments. and for them, it's not a matter of being disciplined. because once you sort of become competent in a skill and go deep into it it's really more of a
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love that takes over. it doesn't feel like discipline. it feels like almost surrender. >> i know what you mean by that. you talk in the book about the situated self. please explain what that really means. >> well, simply the idea that we're formed in important ways by our interactions with our environment. and when that environment consists of manufactured experiences that are designed around us for the sake of capturing and holding our attention it means that human experience has become a very engineered and therefore manipu manipulateable thing. it's getting back in touch with something real that requires getting outside your own head and becoming competent in something that's not immediately engaging. that's the big difference. entertainments that were offered, designed to be immediately engaging and tap into these hard-wired
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at protecting these workers. kudos to him and to the journalist who we interviewed here on "the cycle" two weeks ago who saw something wrong at her own nail salon and decided to dig deeper. but these workers are far from alone. think about the car washers who scrub the winter salt from our cars, or the delivery men who bring us our sushi, or the home care workers who care for our elderly parents. for low wage workers our entire economic system can seem designed for maximum pain and almost no real protections. we'reg+ facing a sort of perfect storm that has pushed wages down, sent inequality soaring to new heights. three factors have come together to create a crisis for the middle class on down. first came globalization, the flattening of the earth after world war ii that scattered the well-paying manufacturing jobs that had been the original foundation of our middle class. second came the december malaysian of unions. private sector membership has
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declined to 7% of workers. into the new springboard to the middle class. with union membership declining, so goes middle class incomes. finally came the rigging of the political system by politicians and the supreme court that has decided money is speech. they transformed our system from one person, one vote to $1 one vote. a recent study found that the only people who exercise any influence in our political system are elites. this is a point that is completely obvious to anyone paying attention to the priorities in washington. consider, for example, the fact that we spend four times as much on housing subsidies for the well-off as we do on housing for the poor. or the fact that in this time of supposed complete d.c. gridlock, somehow we will likely get our act together enough to pass a
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massive complicated new trade deal to benefit pharmaceutical companies and hollywood movie studios. so globalization sent our good jobs overseas and union busting and government rigging rendered us powerless in our workplaces and our government to do anything about it. like i said, it's the perfect storm. this is the backdrop as we head into 2016. we may not be faced with the sort of immediate calamity that we were dealing with in 2008 but it is a crisis no less. we need leaders prepared to apply the bandaids where needed as governor cuomo is doing here with nail salon workers, and at the same time, they have to commit to fundamentally restructuring and rebalancing our economy. in 2008 we bailed out the banks. this time around, let's try bailing out the american people. that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. are biker gangs gearing up for a larger fight following the deadly shooting in texas? congress is debating an nsa program that one federal court ruled illegal and chris christie
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explains why he thinks new jersey voters don't want him to be president. but first, hillary speaks. it's may 19th and this is "now." after 40150 minutes the time since hillary clinton answered a question from the press was reset today to zero. the former secretary of state finally ended her campaign's media drought this afternoon, salt laking reporters' thirst with answers to a few questions after a small business round table in cedar falls iowa. nbc's kristen welker asked clinton about her e-mails as secretary of state and her paid speeches. >> was there a conflict of interest in your giving paid speeches into the run-up of your announcement that you're running for president? >> the answer to the second is no. and the answer to the first is i have said repeatedly i want those e-mails out. nobody has a bigger interest in getting them released than i do. >> clinton said she supports any measures that the state department would take to expedite the release of her e-mails, a proce
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