ruled illegal and chris christie explains why he thinks new jersey voters don't want him to be president. but first, hillary speaks. it's may 19th and this is "now." after 40150 minutes the time since hillary clinton answered a question from the press was reset today to zero. the former secretary of state finally ended her campaign's media drought this afternoon, salt laking reporters' thirst with answers to a few questions after a small business round table in cedar falls iowa. nbc's kristen welker asked clinton about her e-mails as secretary of state and her paid speeches. >> was there a conflict of interest in your giving paid speeches into the run-up of your announcement that you're running for president? >> the answer to the second is no. and the answer to the first is i have said repeatedly i want those e-mails out. nobody has a bigger interest in getting them released than i do. >> clinton said she supports any measures that the state department would take to expedite the release of her e-mails, a process that took on

new urgency today. the state department said just hours ago that it will comply with a judge's order to come up with the plan by next week for the rolling release of clinton's e-mails as secretary of state. the judge rejected the state department's previous plan, announced yesterday to release the e-mails in bulk next january. and if it's not her time at state that is complicating clinton's campaign it is her earnings after he left office. clinton was asked today how she can expect to relate to everyday americans when her paid speeches projected her into the 1%. >> well bill and i have been blessed and we're very grateful for the opportunities that we had, but we've never forgotten where we came from. and we've never forgotten the kind of country that we want to see for our granddaughter, and that means that we're going to fight to make sure that everybody has the same chances to live up to his or her own god-given potential. >> joining me now is political reporter at "the new york times," investigative reporter

at vice news jason leopold and jess mcintosh. jess, let me start with you. what does it say that the taking of questions is now headline news for the clinton campaign? >> look i think that we're going to be seeing a candidate who is driving her own campaign, making sure she's setting the focus, she's setting the time line, and she's the one who is talking about whatever issue matters the most to everyday americans. that's what we've seen the last couple of months. and it's been really quite successful. we know she's had a small business round table. we know her views on immigration policy. we saw her give a major speech on criminal justice reform. and she does take questions from the media. obviously not as often as they would want her to. but it's going to be a very long campaign. she's going to have plenty of time to take plenty of questions from all manner of reporters. right now, she's setting the tone by saying her focus is everyday americans. >> right. and it remains to be seen if voters actually care that the media has been shut out into the cold.

jason, you filed this request for hillary clinton's e-mails, and i guess i wonder what you expect out of the judge's order for rolling releases. >> yes. we filed this lawsuit. this is a lawsuit that was filed in january that vice news and i filed. we expect actually the state department to comply with the order and possibly start releasing these e-mails on a rolling basis in july. last night the government filed court papers indicating that it would release all 55,000 pages of these e-mails next january, january 15th 2016. just two weeks before the iowa caucuses. and the new hampshire primary. judge did not go for that. and basically ordered the state department and the zbovtgovernment to come up with a new time line for when they will complete the review and when they can start

releasing this. >> nick, i just wonder from the campaign perspective which do you think -- i mean, having a big bunch of e-mails released two weeks before the iowa caucuses is probably not ideal. but the bulk release versus the steady rolling stream i guess i wonder what you think is mosted a -- most advantageous for hillary clinton to have released. >> i was thinking about it and the truth is if you do a big dump on a single day, it's actually awfully hard for the press, the reporters like jason and myself to kind of go through them, make the right connections, do follow-up reporting. so yeah if there are some really hot ones in there, it will make a bang. but it's often your only chance to really get a big story out of the e-mails. i think in a way, it serves the public's interest to have the rolling release, as soon as a batch is ready. you move on to the next one. because that way there's a chance to dig in a bit. it's not your only window.

journalists can do some reporting, contextualize what they're seeing. it depends on what's in those e-mails is good and bad for her. in general having a rolling schedule will allow for a more full examination of what's in the e-mails. >> to that end, i think 55,000 pages of printed e-mails are going to be in a searchable database by mid june, is that right? >> that's correct. it's unclear if it will actually be by mid june. one thing that took place today during a hearing in this case is the judge hearing the case told the state department and government lawyers that they need to come up with an exact date when they will release the benghazi e-mails that were turned over to republicans in congress, who are investigating the attacks in benghazi. the state department said that they would place these e-mails on a database dedicated

exclusively to hillary clinton's communications. it's just not clear exactly when they will do that. but what was fascinating, in reading this declaration that the government filed last night, this 13-page declaration from the foya chief, he described new details about how these e-mails were turned over. the labor intensive process of reviewing them. they are double-sided. they had to be hand-scanned. it took them five weeks. the fact that they may release them on a rolling basis could actually complicate or impact rather the january 15th date next year. but the judge said not by much. >> i guess we're wondering about looking at the two stories that

are of concern to the clinton campaign. there's this one regarding her e-mails, and the shroud of obfuscation, and the e-mail stuff. you talk about her progressive priorities. i wonder if you think the money complicated her message about income inequality and battling the uneven scales, if you will in the american economy. >> i think if she takes the opportunity that she did today it doesn't complicate it at all. she came from a middle class background. her husband came from a real working class background. that stands in a marked difference to what we think of as a political familial dynasty. this is a married couple who came from middle class backgrounds and did immeasurably well, which they want to make sure is an opportunity that's available for most americans.

i think it's a great tim duncan for -- a great opportunity for her to talk about her story. >> i guess i would just say jess, to her middle class background, the obama campaign was very successful in vilifying mitt romney as someone who was vastly out of touch, in part because with the struggles of everyday americans in part because of his economic platform was not as focused on the middle class and working class as president. >> i think at one point, when you're talking about policies that are going to benefit the 1% at the expense of the working class, and trying to talk about how you grew up eating off of the ironing board instead of dining room table when your father was a governor. that just strains credulity. bill and hillary clinton's middle class background is real and the thing that they can talk about and a thing that helps them understand how important it is to provide the same kind of opportunity for the americans

that she wants to represent as president. >> nick, i know that the "times" published an extensive piece on clinton's relationship with sydney blumenthal. i want to play a little bit of the sound from what she said this afternoon. let's take a listen. >> i have many many old friends. and i always think that it's important when you get into politics to have friends you had before you were in politics. when you're in the public eye, when you're in an official position, i think you do have to work to make sure you're not caught in a bubble and you only hear from a certain small group of people. i'm going to keep talking to my old friends whoever they are. >> you know this. sydney blumenthal is a pretty divisive figure, even in liberal politics. offered unsolicited advice as secretary of state some of which she passed on to one of her deputies, or some of her deputies. some of the memos were about libya, which is a point of contention for her. what do you think of that response she gave today? >> well it's odd to describe

him or categorize him as an old friend who predates her time in politics. he got to know the clintons because they were in politics as he was covering them. went to work for them after that in the '90s. and moreover he's very much a part of the washington bubble. he's a very smart guy. he's written some amazing books on politics. it's just hard to see how talking to a guy who is known for theorizing a lot about conservatives, for seeing kind of enemies everywhere is the best way to get out of the bubble. especially on an issue like libya. i don't know -- look i'm not sure what his basis of expertise is on libya. he wouldn't talk to us for the story. for all i know he spent some time there or has good contacts there. but it's weird to have this extremely high volume of intelligence coming from a guy who was barred from a job there. >> and i think there are people that probably e-mail you with hot tips. the question is to what degree

do you take them seriously. >> yeah, you know i get super hot tips all the time and most of them are bupkis. and most of them aren't coming from old friends. it's important to see if there's anything there. we can see clinton forwarded these memos to her deputies at the state department. in many cases, they responded and said this information is not very good. >> shorthand bupkis. nick jason jess, thank you guys all for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. after the break biker gang experts say the deadly shootout in texas on sunday may have started because of the patch sewn on to the jackets of one rival gang. we will look at what bike flare has to do with a larger turf war. and later a controversial and possibly illegal surveillance program is up for renewal in congress. i will speak with the senate republican leading the fight against mitch mcconnell on the nsa surveillance program. that's ahead on "now."

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threats of retaliation against law enforcement have toned down in waco, texas, today. two days after a shootout between five biker gangs and police left nine people dead and another 18 injured. but police are still on high alert. >> the intelligence was that there were credible threats towards law enforcement. we share that information statewide. it's my understanding this was at least region-wide for our area. that there was good information that officers potentially could be targeted in reference to what occurred here sunday. as i said this morning, that has

toned down. we appreciate the fact that the rhetoric is not as high as it was. >> 170 gang members remain in custody where each one faces a $1 million bond for engaging in organized crime. some could face capital murder charges. authorities have yet to say what caused the waco brawl, but experts tell nbc news the shootout stemmed from a disagreement between the texas-based banditos gang and the hell's angeled edangels-backed kossix. charles, thanks for joining me. what is the latest on the police involvement in the firefight here? >> well the crime scene is now two days old and police are still here going through all the evidence. right now they're going through cars that were left behind by the patrons.

they are photographing the evidence inside those cars trying to learn more about the people involved. as you said, there was a massive motorcycle gang meeting here. there were four gangs that met here at this location. waco is halfway between dallas and austin so this is a perfect meeting place. and that's what was happening. however, a fifth gang came along. they were not invited and that's when the trouble started. there was an altercation in the parking lot and another one inside in the restroom. you talked about the patch that was discovered by one of the banditos. one of the others was wearing a patch that said texas and this is supposed to be bandito territory. so that posed a big problem as well. police surrounded this place long before the gang members began meeting here. they were anticipating problems. 18 police officers were on scene, including many of the

waco swat team and an assistant waco police chief. when the fighting started, the gunfire started. police engaged them right away. they were only three to four officers who actually fired their weapons. the question now is which bullet killed which people. the police officer's gun that killed someone or another gang member. that's what they're trying to figure out. it could take weeks or even months to find those answers. >> thanks for that update. coming up we will look at the history of biker gangs in america and how they earned the fbi label of criminal enterprises. that's next. ideas come into this world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful.

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four, the banditos in texas, the hell's angels in the west, the outlaws in the midwest and south, and the pagans in the east. what began as groups of disaffected veterans from the second world war has morphed into something much more violent. this closed circuit tv footage shows the brutal scene at a nevada casino on april 27th of 2002. a violent confrontation between the hell's angels and monogulls motorcycle gang left three dead. the fight broke out during the annual laughlin rally, which draws about 25,000 motorcycle enthusiasts every single year. the trigger of the brawl, according to court documents, members of the mo nguls were allegedly harassing vendors selling hell's angels merchandise. angels pulled out knives and guns. one case a hell's angel beat a mongul on the back of his head with a wrench. the monguls responded with

gunfire. 15 would eventually be sent to prison. it was the deadliest biker brawl in american history until this sunday's shootout in texas. joining me now is kerry drovan who wrote "running with the devil." we tend to romanticize the idea of outlaws. tell us a little bit more about how these groups function and their connection to organized crime. >> well, it's true they are glamourized. but they are really the mafia on wheels. they are a group of highly organized criminals. it's a criminal organization. they take their hierarchical strukture structure from the military. there's a prospecting period where people have to get a sponsor and woo over the people in power. then they get fully patched in, which is equivalent to being a made member. and then they commit organized crime.

they are associated with drug trafficking, arms trafficking, murder, code violations. they are a very organized criminal organization. >> how did they -- how did it end up this way? how did it go from a group of disaffected world war ii vets to what we're seeing and talking about today? >> well, it really -- it's sort of a way that, you know, where they're differentiated from the normal street gangs these are the gangs that -- they have to be organized in drug trade and arms trafficking. and so they recruit people that want to become part of their criminal organization. so they have a particular structure, a recruitment structure. they don't just take anybody. sometimes their prospecting period can be up to a year or more. and so when they recruit certain members from a certain gang, those members can't -- they'll

have rival groups as has been shown, the hell's angels which are rivals with the banditos and they'll basically vie for territory. so if the banditos, for example, are associated with texas, they are not going to tolerate other groups on their territory and it's largely to take over the drug trade. they're not going to allow other groups to come in and push them out. so that's how they become a criminal organization. >> you talk about prospecting. are they still drawing from pools of former military personnel? where are they getting these guys from? >> that's probably one of the most surprising things about these organized gangs is a lot of them are former and active military members. they're attracting that group that want to still have the sort of wild west image, or being on a motorcycle and going out and becoming like the renegade or the outlaw the rebel. so they are attracting the ex-military and the active

military. the other surprising thing about these groups is that they're also bringing in people that work in regular corporate america. they have pilots that join, they have stockbrokers that join. so they're really pooling from all walks of life. but predominantly from military. >> i mean, i think that's hard for a lot of us to square folks who are trying to protect the country, when they leave military service coming and undermining the principles and democracy of breaking the law. i wonder how much -- because this most recent brawl took place in texas. how much is overlapped or beefing with the mexican drug cartels since they're also in the same business of running drugs including cocaine and marijuana and meth. >> there is a lot of -- i mean, there's not an overlap, but they're definitely fighting against each other for that territory. for example, in arizona, the hell's angels are vying for the territory on the border so that

they can traffic drugs from mexico into arizona. so there is a lot of that overlap. the cartels are organized as well, they're just not a biker gang. so they operate in very much the same format where they're going to recruit people to, you know basically do their dirty work. so they are beginning to overlap a little bit. >> carrie thank you for that glimpse into a fascinating and deadly underworld. thanks for your time. >> thank you. just ahead, less than one in three new jersey voters think chris christie would make a good president. according to chris christie that's because he's doing too good a job as governor. we'll talk about that coming up next. when it comes to good nutrition...i'no expert. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein

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the second poorest member of congress points to a pay freeze that has been in place since 2010 and says that capitol hill risks becoming an elite institution reserved only for the wealthy. and forget push presence. a "new york times" op-ed suggests white bonuses are an actual thing monk new york's upper east ciders. but first chris christie is expected to jump into the presidential race this summer despite the fact that new jersey voters found only 29% would make a good president. he offered his own explanation. >> they want me to stay. a lot of those people in that 65% want me to stay. i've heard that from lots of people. don't leave to run for president because we want you to stay. >> they say you would not make a good president. >> i think people hear the question they want to hear. the fact is that polls in new jersey will go up and down as welch i've been as high as 75%, 85% approval. as low as 35% approval and it's bounced back and forth because i

do things. i do things of consequence that people either agree with or disagree with. >> joining me now is josh baro and jonathan alter, and senior editor at the atlantic, hannah rosen. jonathan, you are a new jersey resident. chris christie says people hear what they want to hear. indeed, it seems like the governor is hearing what he wants to hear. >> what we don't want to hear in new jersey is that he's running for president. his numbers are not bouncing around. they've been in the cellar for a while now. >> they're getting canned. they're jars of jam. >> in new jersey, his reputation was once pretty high. not just with bridge gate and the fact that people around him engage in civic depravity, where you check to make sure that people on the first day of school can't get across the george washington bridge. these are the people who were closest to him and involved in that. he's heavily implicated in that.

he settled for pennies on the dollar on a big environmental suit. the list goes on and on. and people just think he's a bully. and that he's not nearly as confident as he pretend to be. >> josh, perhaps not coincidentally chris christie has also in recent days been taking a harder line on issues where he was once an outlier in the party. he said yesterday, a pathway to citizenship was an extreme way to go. he said he would overturn the president's executive order because it's illegal and he assigned a bill providing instate tuition for children of illegal immigrants and insists it's not a magnet, but trying to burnish his conservative bona fidas. >> i don't know if it makes him a hard liner in the context of a larger immigration reform.

>> you've seen the country lining up for immigration reform. >> well, i don't know. i think if the country were lining up for it, i think it would become law. i think democrats ran the government all alone for two years, they would have passed it. >> wait, wait. polling on immigration reform overwhelmingly for the american public wants reform and wants our congress to do something about the 11 million women and men in this country that do not have papers. this white house chose not to take that up in the first two years when democrats ran the government. i don't think it's fair to say that was a proving point for immigration reform. >> gallup polling also says 32% of americans think animals should have the same rights of humans, which means there are a quarter of americans who think animals should have the same rights as humans who eat meat. >> animals should be able to carry weapons? >> and they should be able to vote. >> forget all polling showing anything about anything. >> what i mean is polling results don't always accurately get insight into people's inner

psyches. election results show this clear trend that politicians seem to be punished for taking positions that are too dovish on immigration reform not that are too hawkish. we saw eric cantor lose a primary over this. i think he's the only candidate who can identify that has lost an election over immigration policy. he lost it for being allegedly too supportive of immigration, even though he was not very supportive of immigration reform and was not pushing immigration reform through the house of representatives. so i think that immigration reform is not the winning political issue that advocates of immigration reform think it is. >> then why is chris christie even talking about it? >> because he has to pander on this. he's going to get asked about it. >> so that was my original question. >> he's not becoming a hard lier. he's inching to the right. >> he's going to have to become at least a medium hardliner. this is just the way the republican party is built now. and this is why democrats are fairly confident about the next selection. obama got 70% of the latino

vote. unless the republicans can get up over 35 over 40%, they really don't have a very good chance of winning the white house. >> hannah, what do you think is happening here with chris christie? >> okay, to dig in and be more specific on the national scenario, who's his competition? two months ago, it looked like he had mum. now he seems to be behind and he specifically seems to be behind jeb bush, who is functionally, culturally latino. and marco rubio who is actually ethnically latino, and both of them have pretty clear positions on immigration reform, which put them out of line with the republican base. so maybe this is like a last-ditch effort to stand out in that crowd. >> that's sort of what i think it is. >> i don't know how much it makes him stand out. if you say you're first in comprehensive immigration reform that does not include a path to citizenship, you're splitting the difference. >> there are other people in the party that think it's the same thing. >> right. there are people who want --

that's not going to please advocates of immigration reform. it's also not going to please restrictionists. they don't want the pathway for legalization. so again, maybe this is chris christie coming up with a position that makes nobody happy. >> another thing. moving on, yesterday, president obama sent out his first tweet from his new account @potus. one of his first responses came from bill clinton. welcome to twitter, potus. one question, does that user name stay with the office? #askingforafriend. to this, president obama responded, good question bill clinton. the handle comes with the house. know anyone interested in in @flotus? while i like the congenial back and forth, some part of me found it maybe a little bit distress distressing, the idea that this is sort of the mantle to be tossed back and forth between two people? >> i know i'm supposed to have

that position and say something clever and cynical. but i actually just thought it was cute. like i thought that was a proper tone for entering twitter. i thought the joke was a little bit funny. and i was genuinely curious about whether the handle carries with the person or the house. i thought barack obama was being clever and grabbing potus for himself. i liked it. >> and jonathan suggesting that bill clinton's handle could be @flotus. >> what struck me about this is these are two guys are cordially or not so cordially despised each other in 2008. remember, clinton said that obama had just won the south carolina primary because he was black. and he told ted kennedy -- well, sunlight suggested as much basically. >> he was getting coffee for us. saying he had no qualifications to be president. got really nasty. and i spent a fair amount of time looking into this, when i was researching my first book. the first six months of the obama administration, when the

country was going down the tubes, they didn't speak once. they didn't speak until june of 2009. it was really frosty. then it got a little better when obama got re-elected. he was appreciative of clinton's help. now it's almost like they're kind of chatty. almost frenemies. >> that's the thing that we like to see, right? there's some sort of deep wizard brain response to people who were once enemies getting along even if it's twitter in public. >> they're chatty or whatever communication staffers. >> he said he was doing this himself. >> he said it's me, barack, really. >> is clinton there doing his own? >> colbert taught clinton on the air, on ""the colbert report," how to tweet. clinton seemed to learn. he doesn't tweet that often. so he's probably doing it himself. >> do we have time to do our last story? can't we do it? please? do we have a second? an op-ed in this weekend's "new york times" about the financial arrangements of manhattan's wealthy elite is generating outrage. particularly the concept of the

so-called white bonus. a wife bonus might be distributed on basis of not only how well her husband's hedge fund had done but her own performance. how well she managed the home budgets, whether her kids got into a good school the same way husbands were rewarded at investment banks. is there any chance this speaks to a good marriage? >> there's only one proper response for this story, which is to establish a husband bonus. which i actually wrote up in slate.com, exactly the terms of the husband bonus that i would establish and what my husband has to meet in order to earn the husband bonus. that's really all you can say about this. >> josh baro, jonathan hanna thank you all for your time. >> thanks. coming up, the big issue that is uniting democrats and republicans and dividing republicans from republicans. senator mike leigh joins the show just ahead.

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expire. and there is a vigorous debate in congress right now over whether to renew them. especially after the program was ruled illegal by a federal court earlier this month. last week the house voted overwhelmingly to end the bulk collection of phone data records. under the bill the house passed, the usa freedom act, phone records will be held by the phone companies and the nsa will have to obtain a warrant each time it wants to access those records. now it is up to the senate to debate the program. although he is against the usa freedom act and earlier tried to prevent the vote mitch mcconnell announced hours ago that he would allow a vote on it. >> regardless of what the house's position may be we have an obligation to deal with the patriot act. we're beginning to deal with it this week. and it's my view that letting it expire is not a responsible thing to do. so we'll see where the senate is. we'll find out where the votes

are. i certainly think we ought to allow a vote on the house passed bill. >> joining me now is a co-sponsor of the senate bill that would end the bulk collection of phone records republican senator from utah mike leigh. thanks for joining me. i know it has been a busy day. let's get first to the news of the hour. senator mcconnell says he will take a vote on the bill in your senate. is it going to pass? >> i certainly hope so. we hope we can get to 60 votes on this important issue. the american people don't like to have the federal government collect all of their data on all of their phone calls that they've made or received over the last five years. that's where we're trying to get. it's beginning to be close. we don't know where all of the votes line up right now, but we're trying to get there. >> if it doesn't have the votes would you support a renewal of the patriot act or a temporary extension? >> i'm not a big fan of the temporary extension. i'd be inclined to oppose a temporary extension. we need to fix the underlying program rather than just punt it. i came from the senate floor where i made a request to have

this brought up right now. we can take the trade bill up after this. but with the clock ticking and with this bill set to expire the patriot act set to expire at the end of the month and both houses set to adjourn at the end of this week, i think this needs to come up right now. >> senator you talk about americans not wanting the government to collect all kiepds of -- kinds of data, especially phone data. there seems to be a divide on this issue in your party in particular. chris christie said on monday you can't enjoy your civil liberties if you're in a coffin. what do you say to that line of criticism? >> look, none of us wants to be in that position. but it is a false choice, it is an absolute false choice to say that you either have to reauthorize, to extend the patriot act authority as is without modification, without protections for the american people, or we're all going to die. that is a disingenuous comment, and i think he should retract that statement. but we have carefully balanced

this legislation. senator leahy and i come from opposite ends of the political spectrum, but we agree on this issue. the chairman and ranking members of the house intelligence committee and the house judiciary committee agree, as does the president and the director of national intelligence. and as i explained in a book that i just came out with a few weeks ago called our lost constitution, this is an issue that dates back hundreds of years in many respects. in some ways it involves new technology, but in other ways dates back hundreds of years. as i explained in my book. one of the principles that the founding fathers agreed upon was that the government shouldn't be engaged in the use of general warrants, just going out and saying send us all your information, in case we might want to search it later for some kind of investigation. that's wrong. the american people don't like that. this bill would fix that. >> let me ask you a question. there's been a lot of debate about edward snowden. in many ways the reason we know about this program is because of him. chris christie has maligned him. he says he has been dangerous to our democracy. do you think that this effort

and the information from the decision by the new york federal circuit court. do you think that vindicates edward snowden? >> i don't think anything that the second circuit concluded vindicates anyone else in breaking the law. but i will say that i agree with what the second circuit concluded, and i agreed with its reasoning in saying that you can't take the word -- the reasonableness standard in the patriot act, which tlizauthorizes the nsa to collect data that is related -- that's relevant to an investigation in that area and say that that justifies the nsa in collecting all telephone data from every telephone provider in the country. it simply does not follow and the second circuit was right. >> you mentioned that you thought chris christie should retract what he says that you can't enjoy your civil liberties if you're in a coffin. are you disappointed with the statements thus far from the majority of republican candidates in the 2016 field on

the issue of surveillance in particular? >> i disagree with some of them. i don't know where they all stand, to be honest. but i will say there are some with whom i disagree. i particularly disgrow with what mr. christie has said.agree with what mr. christie has said. i think it's wrong and unnecessarily imflamnflammatory. to say you have to go with this law, which offends a lot of people's sense of the constitution, a sense of what the government ought to be doing. to choose between that or death. that's wrong, as a matter of fact, and i think it's imprecise and demeaning of the political process in which we ought to have an open discussion based on facts rather than emotion. >> i think there are a lot of people that are happy that an open debate is happening. thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up texas officially bans a ban. really. more on that after the break.

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