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big news conference. he's in san francisco for league meetings and hasn't been able to escape the scandal of deflategate. >> i look forward to hearing directly from tom if there's new information or information that can be helpful in getting us right. i want to hear directly from tom on that. i have great admiration and respect for tom brady and the rules -- have to be enforced on a uniform basis and they apply to everybody like they apply to every club every individual coach, every individual player. >> will robert kraft's decision for patriots to accept their penalties in they way affect tom brady's appeal and the hearing of it. >> no. >> goodell patriots owner robert kraft hugging it out. the pats lost two draft picks and they face a million dollar fine. he was asked about the player association demand that he recuse himself from arbitrating tom brady's appeal and avoid a
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direct answer. >> i've been focused on meetings and not up to date on that other than the fact i'm aware of that. when we get back tomorrow we'll focus that and give it full due consideration and make sure we do the appropriate thing. >> brady is actively fighting his four-game suspension in the player's union also filing a motion in federal court to hold the nfl and goodell in contempt. after the 2014 suspension permitting his 4-year-old son with a switch. we'll hear more on that but first other breaking news. massive prescription drug bust stretched across four states. 170 doctors and drug store workers arrested for selling oxycodone and others. many experts are saying it is feeding the heroin crisis and park mark potter has the
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announcement. >> reporter: i can tell you that it began here in little rock and local police in an office building on the out skirts of town. they went into a small medical center and they arrested six people there, a doctor and four staffers and armed security guard. they said they were involved in supplying prescriptions to drug addicts, not providing medical care but just providing prescriptions. this was then taken down the street to a pharmacy which would fill them and that was also raided today. this is part of that raid in arkansas alabama and louisiana and mississippi. it's the largest pharmaceutical takedown in dea history this afternoon the u.s. attorney in little rock spoke and put all of this in perspective, let's listen to what he had to say. >> this is not a crime problem.
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public health and community problem. we in law enforcement cannot investigate and punish and prosecute our way out of this problem. this is going to take the concerted effort of health care providers and families and communities and drug treatment facilities and many many others to solve this. >> now officials have all along said that the situation that we see here in little rock and the other areas in this are all part of a national epidemic of prescription drug abuse cited by the cdc and white house. officials say as many as 4.5 million americans are currently abusing painkillers. 16,000 died from it in 2013. that's 44 a day. they are also saying this is tied to the heroin epidemic and people first become hooked on pills and when they can no longer find them they turn to cheaper heroin which offers a
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stronger high. this is flooding the country from mexico and colombia. this is seen as a serious problem and as the u.s. attorney setd a serious public health problem. >> those numbers are just astonishing, mark potter thank you so much for that report. we're going to head to waco texas and that biker gang shootout captivating the nation. life is slowly getting back to normal there but the mass arrest of nearly 170 bikers is testing limits of the state court system. charles hadlock is back in waco. i know an annual memorial day weekend rally has been canceled due to safety concerns. what's the latest in the investigation? >> as you mentioned, things are getting back to normal the shopping center has reopened to the public except for the restaurant itself. it remains closed. guarded by two police cars who are remaining on the scene here. last night the last of the 135 motorcycles and 85 vehicles were removed from the area after
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police did a thorough search of all of them. they were amazed at not only what they found in the cars and trucks and motorcycles but also in the restaurant. more than 1,000 weapons. here's sergeant patrick swanton of the waco police department. >> we were a little amazed at the amount of number of weapons we found inside. we believe and feel like those weapons were discarded after the ma lay and people realized the police were there. we found everything from handguns to knives to firearms and largest weapon was an ak-47. we found body armor in somebody's car. that's not what your family biker does. they don't come somewhere with body armor in the anticipation of having to use it. it indicates to us that whoever came here with that was expecting trouble and trouble was had. >> reporter: and the sergeant says the weapons were found inside the restaurant in odd
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places like under the seats, stuffed between bags of flour and also in bags of chips as the bikers apparently tried to get rid of all of the evidence before the police moved in on them. back to you. >> charles hadlock in waco thanks for that. now back to roger goodell meeting the press as he faces another significant crossroads for the nfl. on most people's minds is not the future of the extra point kick which should be eliminated from the game. you want to watch kickers, go watch soccer. most people's minds are focused on deflate gate and whether he will be hearing brady's appeal. and whether or not brady's four-game suspension will be reduced. joining us now, sports and radio host and huffington post columnist and somehow friend of the show jordan shultz. the moment that stood out for me when the commissioner said he's looking to hear new information from tom. once again calling attention to that tom did not cooperate with
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the investigation which is his duty as an nfl employee and he could be punished for four games for noncooperation. it suggests to me that goodell is not leaning towards reducing the suspension? >> i think that's a good point and probably true. roger goodell his biggest thing you're going to lose the salary -- >> the patriots are going to restructure the salary but they will lose him for four games. >> that's the ultimate no-no for a player. you can take away money but when take away games, a quarter of a short 16 game season that's the message to send. i don't think he said a lot today, the one thing he did say i'll listen to tom if he comes forward with new information but this is not going from four to two. >> is there ever a tipping point for the nfl? you think about domestic abuse, no problem. child abuse, no problem. concussions no problem.
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cheating no problem. are they bullet proof? >> i think ratings are bullet proof and i think maybe what's not is roger goodell as the leader of this whole operation. i look at the nfl as an evil corporation, ray rice greg hardy and look at the nfl fan and i talked about that a second ago. when you're considering nfl fans, you're considering the number one fan shift ratings system in the world, even more than fifa and champions league. people will start watch the nfl but the head of this roger goodell, he's been there almost a decade at some point he's not going to -- >> if the revenue keeps going up, that's what the owners want. why would they get rid of the guy if the revenue keeps going up? >> that's why owners have been so publicly supportive of roger goodell.
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there you go right there. >> to be precise and the nfl is making billions of dollars. it's the most successful owners in the core four american sports in terms of nhl and major league baseball by far. >> so bratddy is appealing his punishment. >> he is and we'll learn soon. >> and kraft is not appealing the punishment on the patriots. >> robert kraft before all of this said i demand an apology when this is said and done because the truth will come out. >> they published the whole explanation on the website. >> i think robert kraft has to know what's going on here and what happened. obviously you can believe that the deflator was a weight loss campaign with new england or understand this is cheating going on. one more thing, this is a point i want to hit home as i did a couple of weeks ago, whether or not you believe tom brady circumvented the rules it was the intent -- >> kraft wants to be part of the nfl community. >> he is. >> but not like al davis who
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wanted to be at war with the nfl and going to war with the nfl on this when the owners clearly don't support his decision he doesn't want that. >> it's a losing proposition. >> we did hug it out. >> they hugged it out and that could be a little -- remember out of all of owners you could say that at least publicly roblt kraft and roger goodell, that was one of the closest owner friendship wise and the suspension was dell greategated by troy vincent. >> he works for roger goodell. a million dollars is basically pennieses to kraft. four games, brady will forget that. there are two working guys who will lose a whole season and they were told what to do by someone else. didn't have this in mind on their own. jordan shultz -- >> the patriots were 2-2 with tom brady, there's worst things for the fan base. don't feel badly for them.
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>> feel badly for the sea hawks. >> don't worry, we're not going to cry for them. next on this busy edition of "the cycle" we go love to capitol hill where rand paul has been speaking for several hours now. he's calling it a filibuster but ari says it is not a fillibusterfilibuster. he was a senate staffer. what newly declassified documents are revealing about osama bin laden, including the terror mastermind's own fears and new violence in iraq reignites debates about america's intervention abroad. are we repeating mistakes of the past? "the cycle" rolls on unlike tom brady for wednesday, may 20th. we all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. it could help save tens of thousands
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in the 1920's. he might not have lived the day. think of richard jewell had been a japanese american during world war ii when rand paul two hours into what they are calling a filibuster of the patriot act, let's be clear what he's doing now doesn't fit the traditional definition. he is railing against the nsa and key components of that agency's power, bulk data collection will spir if congress doesn't get to passing an extension by july 1st. capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell in washington following all of this. what do you think of the timing of the floor speech wasn't the senate working on a different trade bill? >> well, one of the frustrations as expressed by senator paul is that as it's kind of laid out for senators, he was not expecting to get any time to debate the patriot act. he found time and has in effect seized the floor using a lapsing
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time dealing with trade to make his argument and his aids tell me he'll speak until he can speak no longer. i'm even told he may be joined on allies on the political left and right. a democrat of oregon and mike lee a conservative from utah who they both join him to talk about this issue as he holds the floor. timing of all of this before the memorial recess break. and patriot act does have some revisions that has a june 1st expiration and they need to consider pass those in order to keep that law in effect. the house has taken its own steps to get rid of the bulk collection, legacy of the edward snowden era what we learned about the ability to hold records that relate to phone calls and electronic transmissions for vul use if there were suspicious activity.
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others believe it violates the fourth amendment. what he's doing as a declared presidential candidate is holding up the works of the senate and trying to get attention on an issue that he fears is going to be kind of rushed through with a holiday deadline. so what we can be watching here ari, how long will he go. he once spoke on the floor for many hours dealing with concerns about the use of drones against americans overseas and then we saw his friend and colleague ted cruz, also a presidential candidate, going more than 20 hours talking about anotherish yux the power of one senator to keep talking is on the line here. what happens is as the hours go by it can attract attention. what's unique about rand paul as a republican running for president, he does have allies on this issue on the political left who believe the government overreached and there should be reforms of some of the intelligence apparatus like the nsa and other conservatives say the constitution has to be affected and they believe the
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amendment is against illegal search andseizure is at risk here. it's an issue of the day being played out with good old political theater and we don't quite know the outcome. part of what makes this so interesting. >> and paul pushing through the usa freedom act that would maintain some of those powers. the patriot act was born out of the 9/11 attacks which intensified the hunt for bin laden and four years ago this month when s.e.a.l. team six got him. now releasing materials seized at bin laden's compound. that includes his own letters and intelligence officials calling it bin laden's book shelf and anyone can browse materials online. analysis of al qaeda and journalistic books like o bam am's wars and critiques of the u.s. like the analysis of money in politics.
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the new release comes in an interesting time, 2016 candidates debating iraq and supporting claims that the u.s. misled the public about the bin laden raid and didn't get good intel from his compound. brian boyler here to break it down. >> how are you? >> i'm doing well. given the new allegations that the u.s. might have covered up a pakistani plot to protect bin laden while troops were fighting and dying looking for him, why do you think republicans aren't talking about that instead of iraq? >> i think you're right, i'm not so sure how much it has to do with the ongoing debate about iraq in the republican primary field but much more to do about the story in the london very view which included a lot of allegations but one of them was there was no treasure troef of information taken from the bin laden compound. i know the administration had frustration with that article. they saw to debunk pieces of it and had success in some places
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more than others but they have at least to some extent the goods where he made claims that they were rebutting by releasing this stuff. that's what fits the facts best to me. >> one of the things that we can really learn and see about candidates this time who do they hire for key positions? that's something that tells us who they want to be and how they see themselves and hillary clinton has recently made a very important hire per relly is going to be her national director of latino outreach she is a dreamer and person with a lot of credibility and popular within that movement. it suggests to me that hillary clinton is very serious about a progressive position on immigration. >> not only do i think she's very serious about taking that position but shown incredible savvy with immigration in general. she very cleverly boxed
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republicans in. they are trying to preserve as much leeway as possible to more far back to the center as they can after the primary. they don't want to satisfy anything too declare tif about a future pathway to citizenship. she adopted a position that sort of closed it off to them and said we can't talk about legal status. that's second rate status. you have to talk about a pathway to citizenship and you can't talk about shutting down a president obama's executive orders only when a new bill passes because you'll have power to turn those off on day one when you become president. so she's trying to close the door when they try to leave it fairly wide open to walk through after the primary. i think there's something similar going on here. where not only does this demonstrate her genuine concern to the issue but raises a question what do we want dreamers to do in our society. and when hillary clinton can go and say not only do i -- do i
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support president obama's initiatives, i think that dreamers should be able to reach the highest heights in politics. republicans will have to answer for that and what they'll base will want to hear will be really ugly. people like ms. perelli should not have jobs in the united states -- and if the debate goes in that direction, it's going to be really bad for republicans and can't help but wonder if hillary clinton wants it to go in that direction. >> i would imagine all of the candidates who say you can't do nothing, whether or not they agree with what obama or hillary clinton is doing. some good news for the republicans, there's a poll out that shows that for the most part republicans are pretty happy with the options they have for 2016. 57% say they have an excellent or at least good impression of the candidate so far, up from 44% at the same time in 2012 50% from 2008 it's slightly better than how democrats feel about their options. we have short term memories but
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it's important to point out that republicans have not won the popular vote other than one time since 1988. this would be big for them in 2016. so do you see this as a good sign or is it because there are so many people running there's a candidate for everybody? >> you know i guess the one silver lining being out of power for eight years, it gives -- it gives your players a chance to train up for big leagues. suddenly come 2008 you had a very strong democratic presidential primary field and hillary clinton was the favorite and barack obama was this underdog who came out of nowhere. below them there were a ton of candidates. >> chris dodd don't forget chris dodd. >> never. >> there were a lot of candidates the democrats would have been happy with if hillary clinton or barack obama or john edwards had not made it that's where republicans are now i think. >> i want to ask about an issue vexing hillary clinton a little
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bit, the trade deal that the president is trying to get through congress. there's something that is very confusing to me. we know d.c. is broken and gridlocked and nothing gets done, et cetera. yet somehow they look set to be able to pass this massive 12 nation complicated far reaching from environmental protections to labor standards trade deal they are able to come together to get that done but nothing that's going to really impact average americans. what is that all about? >> it gives you a good sense of who runs things right? i think if this is going to be an issue that hurts hillary clinton to the same extent it's an issue that hurts bernie sanders or conservative members of the field who have a critique how money influences politics. hillary clinton a lot of her former aides and people that she has deep relationships with in politics are working on this and she wants to stay about as far away from it as she can until
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she knows whether it's going to go through or not. if you have a genuine critique about why a broken washington can come together and pass something in the interest of big companies but not regular people, then that's the issue for you. >> brian boyler thank you as always. >> iraq on the brink gone. a leading scientist asking what is u.s. foreign policy now in the middle east? do you know? that's next. new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at ny.gov/business the citi double cash card. it earns
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the fall of the key iraqi city to isis is forcing the u.s. to rereconsider its strategy there and the role on the world stage after more than a decade of war. we've done the allout invasion and nation building but that didn't work so well. we pulled out of iraq and afghanistan and now through isis and chaos in the middle east our policy is muddled somewhere in
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between those two. in the new book super power three choices for america's role in the world, the current approach to foreign policy not only has no direction but incredibly expensive and increasingly dangerous. joining us now is ian bremmer, thanks for being with us zbls great to be with you. >> this debate continues to play out about our role in the world moving forward, it seems many people are on one side or the other. we should not intervene at all or it is our role in the world to step up and stop the chaos from happening. you say it's not so black and white, we have three options what are those? >> i we need co-heerns, i think the reason obama's ratings are weakest on foreign policy because americans are unnerved that the globe seems to be going badly and the economy is picking up -- the first one that's very familiar to a lot of americans,
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indispensable america, we dont want to be the world's policeman, but if we don't do it no one elsewhere and that means we have to work o strengthen alliances and promote values like democracy and human rights around the world and even take the pain and destroy isis ourselves if no one elsewhere. the second one money ball america which i take from michael lewis, the idea of being nonsentimental, not about our values abroad. russians aren't going to listen to us on democracy in the middle east, not sure what it would bring us any way and stop focusing on the value and see what value you can get for investments we make as the united states. spend a lot more money with the allies actually really looking for us to engage and trying to deal with the an tag in any event, less on the middle east and more on asia where you
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don't do other things. the final choice independent america. the idea that those things to american leadership sound great and don't establish red lines. >> i find that one interesting, the idea of an independent america sounds like isolationism and you say it's a little different. we're two interventionists but is it plaus able for us to give up being the world's policemen and what we would lose in not being that. is the tradeoff worth it? >> we have given up a lot of it we're not talking it that way. if you think about what we said on syria, we set red lines and use chemical weapons, no if you use them systemically if we are our allies helping us with the bombing, not france, but britain and if congress votes for it. we kept moving the target. we are sounding like a policeman but a policeman that increasingly carried a smaller stick.
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what we did is lost so much credibility from our allies around the world. and i think that russia and ukraine, we talk really tough and say russia you have to change your behavior and isolate you. doing more business with china every day. we've done absolutely nothing to china. you can argue that we're much less of a policeman than we used to be but we made it worse by pretending we're continuing to carry all of this water and that's undermined our credibility. >> i have a feeling this will dominate the race in 2016. when president obama was running, he wasn't running on foreign policy and that became most of his presidency. >> a comedy legend's late night curtain call.
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cbs says he's done 6,028 shows and i watched a lot of them and used to love staying up late to catch dave when he was on at 12:30 on nbc. that was the innovative gap toothed comic genius who set the pace for late night of comics. >> long time letterman comic bill murray the latest in a constellation of stars helping dave say good-bye to the late show. after a few farewells of selfies and talking retirement messages. >> we can play dominos together. >> tonight letterman will take the stage for one final hour. the man behind top ten lists and stupid pet tricks. known for turning 53rd street into his playground. >> they are stealing their
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balloons. >> and getting stars to be his comedic side kicks. >> i know who has your balloons tough guy. >> even getting matt into the act. >> how are you doing, matt? everything okay? >> it's a little warm dave. >> letterman spoke to jane pauly for cbs sunday morning about closing this chapter in his storied career. >> any enormous uprooting change in my life has petrified me. really petrified me but once i have come through the other side the reward has been unimaginable. >> in the '80s letterman was the first host of late night here at nbc. >> let's go on inside and see how this baby works. >> reporter: carving out an hour of his ground breaking comedy that followed his mentor johnny carson. >> you could be a guest, guest host. >> could to think of it you could have the damned thing. >> when letterman was passed over to host the tonight show
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it kicked off a long time feud with jay leno. he took his act a few avenues over to the ed sullivan theater and cbs where his desk became home to infamous moments like dave seeing a lot of drew barrymore and not much of joaquin phoenix. >> i'm sorry you couldn't be here tonight. >> reporter: he was the first host to return to the air after the 9/11 attacks. >> it's terribly sad here in new york city. we've lost 5,000 fellow new yorkers and you can feel it. you can feel it. you can see it. >> he's also weathered personal storms surviving major heart surgery and sex scandal with staffers. but he always came out laughing with his iconic gap toothed smile and band leader paul shave shaffer by his side inspiring tributes from guests. >> i thank you for all of the joy and laughs and intelligence
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you have brought to us for 33 years. peers -- >> i like every kid who grew up watching him will miss him. >> and audiences at home who will be tuning in tonight for a few final laughs with dave. >> yeah dave has been an extraordinary presence in american television and been like the same man at the circus sean all the comics love him and jon stewart talked about him. formy generation david letterman was the gold standard. i want to play a bit from the very first show february 1982 david letterman. >> i had a chance to strangle richard nixon and i didn't and i regret it. here i am inches from -- i don't know what's keeping me from doing it. >> so now that you're well known, is it harder to be funny? >> no it's -- it's a little bit different. you go out to a restaurant and can't eat and people want your
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autograph and so forth and it's hard to eat and my -- what's happening? i swear letterman, if it's the last thing i'm going to do i'm going to make every second of your life from this moment on a living hell. >> i love the stupid pet trick and love putting the camera on the monkey but him talking with somebody he could make magic. >> he's so funny, one of the things he did, the way he was, a lot of conversations on the show felt like events. they felt like things were happening. which if you think about it is the hardest dynamic to create you're sitting there tell me about your movie and tell me about your everything and everything could be scripted not unlike what journalists experience with politicians who want to be on message. he was so good at both in the themes of the show with the stupid pet tricks or going down to the deli to what he brought
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out from the stars, the "new york times" reporting julia roberts saying only show she wanted to do and it was like smig was going to happen. that's because he's a very funny person and generous person and also very candid person. if he was bored by what even a superstar a-lister was saying, you knew it. >> that's why you loved watching, never knew what would come next. he would go a little too far and we waited for that. i like so many people grew up watching this on my parents floor going to bed at night, every single night i watched david letterman. i have memories of my dad laughing so hard going to bed and being so happy my parents were happy and they were interest taken entertained. the best memory of my dad running for president when he went on david letterman, he was in a rock band growing up and got to play with paul shaffer, which was the best thing -- to this day will say that was his best moment. >> this was taken as you were --
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>> yeah that was taken during the announcement exactly. >> you and your family are crossing the border into switzerland. ♪ ♪ go johnny go ♪ ♪ go johnny go ♪ ♪ go johnny go ♪ ♪ go go ♪ johnny be good ♪ >> that was ridiculously amazing. >> krystal, jon huntsman better at the piano then he is at getting delegates. >> wow, wow, now we'll never get him on again. >> we love you governor. >> we'll make sure you're out governor huntsman decides to come on the show. i was looking at the "new york times" article and they had a great quote from jerry seinfeld and before he got his show he
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knew he had it and at a party with david letterman and asked for advice. and what letterman said make sure if you fail you did what you wanted to do. which i think -- it is so perfect, you can definitely see in the show that seinfeld became and in the show that letterman made. i'm excited to see what's next with colbert. i think it's going to be fresh and innovative and different than anything that we've seen before. >> i hope so. >> you can't replace letterman. >> no, looking forward to tonight and the show he puts on to say good-bye. it's been a great ride. dave thank you very much for everything. next, just in time for memorial day get away national degraphic explores america's obsession with automobiles, it's time to talk cars. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female
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we'll close the deal if we just show... when it's go, go to the new choicehotels.com. the site with the right room, rewards and savings up to 20% when you book direct. choicehotels.com this weekend, millions of americans, myself included will pack up their cars and trucks and suvs and hit the road for memorial day holiday. aaa predicts more than 37 million of us will travel somewhere for the long weekend and that is the most since 2005. road trip has become of course a staple of american life and despite the traffic and construction america's obsession with four wheels and engine per severs today. national geographic channel digs into this love affair with a new two-hour special. >> clintonville wisconsin,
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1908 create the first truly successful four-wheel drive vehicle. the battleship capturing the attention of the u.s. army. the company's name was four wheel drive. 4 x 4 or not, in 1917 trucks made their way to the front. >> they had to blaze the trail and became a patriotic moment as these trucks from detroit to berlin -- >> driving america premieres monday may 25th at 9:00/8:00 central. one of the car enthusiasts that is highlighted in the new documentary joins us, thanks for being with us. >> we're in a circle and we're moving around it's feels very automotive. >> i'm glad it makes you feel comfortable. we're glad to have you. what is it about cars that you're obsessed with and so many millions of americans are
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obsessed with. >> the car represents freedom. it allows us to do what we want to do. i lived in suburban houston and wanted to go downtown houston, because our public transit infrastukt tour isn't great, it allowed me to get there. for a whole generation of people, whether they are in their 50s or 60s, allows you to choose the life you want to live. it's power if you want a powerful car or luxury if you want a luxury car. for my parents going to work both of my parents were work they would get the car and allowed them to have a good job and pick me up after school. >> alone time there is nothing more freeing than getting in the car with the windows down muse being blazing, coming from utah one of my favorite things of all time to do. it's interesting to thing about industries like moi motels and fast food and highways not existing if it weren't for cars. >> this show really explores that, gave us everything, it
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gives us the suburbs and ability -- gave us the arsenal democracy, built huge factories to build cars for the middle class and working class cars. they've allowed us to build tanks. sort of what we explore in this is there's this sort of inner weaving of car history and american history and car history. suburbs are great. but you have sprawling of traffic and congestion and 34 million people going out this weekend. some of them will probably be stuck behind construction. >> not me. >> good family time. not going to go on a long road trip? >> i'm not going to find any traffic. >> talk about cars representing freedom for a lot of people. they also represent masculinity and the sort of man that you want to be and the car becomes a symbol for the sort of guy that you want to be. why is that? >> you have so much choice and customization. you get a refrigerator, your choices are pretty narrow on how your refrigerator is representing yourself. when you have a car, whether it's the '60s and getting a
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pontiac gto, or now getting a tesla and saying i'm ecoconscious but i want something that's fast and powerful, every generation has their car. for me growing up in the '90s and early 2000s, i played video games and wanted one of those japanese sports cars. ten years prior to that no one have thought of that as being masculine. >> those eco-conscious cars are very sexy because there's nothing sexier than caring about the future. >> the toyota prius is so sexy. every now and then i'll get so many looks. they're like who is that guy in the toyota prius. >> i had a prius, all right? let's be careful. >> the control room is saying ari stop messing around and go to the next thing, which is a sound byte from your piece about the vw bug. >> the vw beetle. one of the most important cars in american history. and an impossible story that you'd never believe if it wasn't
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entirely true. >> so the car was conceived by adolf hitler but not a car designer. he went to the best car designer in germany, ferdinand porsche. >> this was 1934 between the wars. porsche's task create the ultimate people's car. the volkswagen. it had to be simple compact, affordable. basically, hitler was looking for a german model t. >> and what we go on to explain in this is that actually after the war, they didn't build a ton of volkswagens during world war 2 because they were building tanks. the allies dropped a bm onomb on the factory, and it was a dud. all the plans for the car basically are in this one factory and had somebody not put a fuse in the wrong place, folks wagon would have blown up and maybe would have never happened. >> that would have been. >> it's fascinating stuff. thank you so much. >> thank you. still ahead, ari's angle on the truth and the lies about iraq.
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do you remember when san diego was-- saddam hussein was captured in 2003? it was a big event in iraq and a big development in the american debit over iraq. howard dean was running against the war and responded. >> the capture of saddam is a good thing, which i hope very much will keep our soldiers in iraq and around the world safer. but the capture of saddam has not made america safer. >> that was a controversial view at the time. no one could predict that capturing hussein would end the war and curb terror in iraq.
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that did not end the war and that fact is what makes the debate so odd. several candidates are on defense over iraq. >> of course you know given the power of looking back and having that, of course, anybody would have made any different decisions. >> was it a mistake to go to war with iraq? >> it was not a mistake given the fact that what the president knew at the time -- >> she didn't say that. >> that's not the same question. >> while bush changed his stance within a week these explanations are still blurring the issues. there are actually three distinct questions on the iraq war. was it the right policy. was it required by the intel at the time. and did it make america safer? notice that two of those questions are just factual. what did the intel say and what were the results of regime change. there are objective answers here. and yet these are the questions top republicans are getting wrong. starting with the intel, it's not true that the information and intel proved hussein had wmds. the administration leaked material to push those
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discredited claims but independent analysts suggested otherwise at the time. and while politicians in both parties did back the war, many didn't and were skeptical of the intel. senator kennedy stressed at the time it didn't show iraq was an imminentproliferateor of wmds. it's false to blame our intelligence analysts for a war of choice. that gets the facts backwards. then there are the facts of regime changes itself. over a decade later, we can compare the impacts in iraq before and after hussein. removing him led to more attacks on us more lawless turf that incubated groups like al qaeda and isis and required a longer presence than when hussein stayed in power after the first gulf war. those are the costs and results. they are worse than what america faced during hussein's regime. and yet on this factual question, these candidates are reverting become to war apologists insisting it's better
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that hussein is gone. >> i would not have gone into iraq. that's not to say that the world is safer because saddam hussein is gone. it is significantly safer. >> in hindsight, the world is a better place because saddam hussein is not there. >> that's not true. and then there's the policy debate. was it a good idea to invade iraq? let's be fair. there isn't an objective answer. many experts and most americans say no. others say yes and anyone could have an opinion here. after all, it's perfectly legit to back a policy even if it has some negative consequences. that's not what candidates like bush and rubio are doing. they're not acknowledging the facts and standing by their position. they're abandoning their position while continuing to misstate these facts. claiming the intel showed there were wmds before the war and saying that we are better off with an iraq torn between isis and al qaeda than we were with a much quieter iraq under hussein. and think about it. if that were true why would they renounce their support for
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the were at all if it did make us better off, wouldn't it be a policy worth standing by? it doesn't make sense because it's not a logical position and that's something to think about. that does it for our show. "now with alex wagner" starts right now. senator rand paul has been speaking on the senate floor for nearly three hours protesting the patriot act. roger goodell takes questions for the first time since the deflate-get punishments. and the government just released new documents from the bin laden raid including what was on bin laden's bookshelf. but first a public political debate is finally happening over what many call the biggest mistake in american military history. it's wednesday, may 20th, and this is "now." six days after his four-day iraq war fumble came to an end, jeb bush is taking another stab at it. hours ago in new hampshire, the potential 2016 candidate addressed the i
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