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their support for the were at all if it did make us better off, wouldn't it be a policy worth standing by? it doesn't make sense because it's not a logical position and that's something to think about. that does it for our show. "now with alex wagner" starts right now. senator rand paul has been speaking on the senate floor for nearly three hours protesting the patriot act. roger goodell takes questions for the first time since the deflate-get punishments. and the government just released new documents from the bin laden raid including what was on bin laden's bookshelf. but first a public political debate is finally happening over what many call the biggest mistake in american military history. it's wednesday, may 20th, and this is "now." six days after his four-day iraq war fumble came to an end, jeb bush is taking another stab at it. hours ago in new hampshire, the potential 2016 candidate addressed the iraq war question yet again, but not before first
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praising his older brother. >> you probably know that i'm george w.'s brother. but i have a life journey of my own. one that sets me apart in some ways. i'm proud of my family. i love my mom and dad. i love my brother. and people are just going to have to get over that. that's just the way it is. i hope that you have a similar situation. >> after struggling for days over what to say to the question of whether we should have invaded iraq the former florida governor sought to turn the tables today to another president. >> the focus august to be on knowing what you know now, mr. president, should you have kept 10,000 troops in iraq. or 15,000. or 4,000. that's the better answer. because of yesterday, ramadi has now been taken over by isis. isis didn't exist when my brother was present. al qaeda in iraq was wiped out when my brother was present. >> jeb's new approach a
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combination of revisionism and brotherly love comes as several former bush administration officials are coming out of the shadows to weigh in on iraq. this is what former george w. bush aide andy card had to say this morning when our own joe scarborough asked about jeb's iraq flub. >> what happened? is jeb rusty? those bushes they're pretty tight. seems like an easy question. >> i think that he heard the question that he answered he didn't hear the real question that was asked. >> it took him four additional days to clean it up though. why? >> it did. it shouldn't have taken him that long. i don't think it would have taken his brother that long to clean it up. >> last night on "hardball", another bush veteran, one of the men responsible for providing intelligence on iraq in the lead-up to the war, mike morell admitted that it wasn't actually the intelligence that led us into the war, it was the administration's misrepresentation of it. >> the invasion in march of
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2003 former vice president dick cheney said that saddam hussein had reconstituted nuclear weapons. here he is. >> we know he's been absolutely devoted the trying to acquire nuclear weapons and we believe he has reconstituted nuclear weapons. >> reconstituted nuclear weapons. was that true or not? >> we were saying -- >> was that true? can you answer that question? was that true? >> that's not true. >> why did you let him get away with it? >> my job, chris -- >> you're the briefer on intelligence. you're the top person to tell him what's going on? you see cheney make this charge he's got a nuclear bomb make subsequent charges. and nobody raised their hand and said no that's not what we told him. >> chris, chris, chris. what's my job? >> to tell the truth. >> no, as the briefer? as the briefer? >> okay. >> as the briefer, my job is to carry cia's best information and best analysis to the president of the united states. my job is not watch what they're
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saying on tv. >> you think it's a joke? >> that's not my job. >> did you know he did that? >> no i wasn't paying attention. >> so you're briefing the president on the reasons for war, they're selling the war, using your stuff saying that you made that case when you didn't. so they're using your credibility to make the case for war dishonestly, as you just admitted. >> look, i'm just telling you -- >> you just admitted it. they gave false presentation of what you said to them. >> on some aspects. >> nuclear weapons. >> i'm telling you what was said. >> that's a big deal. >> i'm telling you what you said. >> you agree? it's a big deal to say they had a nuclear weapon when you knew they didn't. >> joining me is eric bates, jacob weisburg joy reid, and david fromm. jake, let me start with you. to this debit that we're having over knowing what we know now, are we not focused on the important part now, which is
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that the administration willfully misrepresented the reasons why we were going to war in iraq? >> well i think it's a little more subtle than that. first of all jeb bush has provided the ultimate example of the french phrase which is when you think of the witty remark you should have made on the way out of the party. four days later, he's finally got an answer to this question. he's got to get a little quicker on the uptake. i think there was a more subtle process that was beginning on here. i think most people in the bush administration genuinely believed saddam was pursuing and had weapons of mass destruction. this blinded them to evidence of contrary. i think there was the bureaucratic imperative that affected the cia and i would not let mike morell off so easily, that led everyone to in various ways support the conclusion that the administration wanted and believed. >> i guess i take issue with the
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passivity of that. because the 2008 senate report concludes the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality, it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even nonexistent. >> they thought they were framing a guilty man. >> but that's not the same thing as actually finding a guilty man. >> they thought the evidence was there. they papered over gaps. they reached. they stretched. but i do not think they fabricated. >> i mean as far as how the gop and its presidential candidates account for this moment it is very much fraught. >> that's right. it was very interesting in the clip we saw of jeb bush he was asking a question of president obama. he was saying should he have taken out the troops so early? he said that's the better answer. that's what i should have been
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winning. you've got this moment where it's been long delayed, this debate over who knew what who said what were they actively misleading the american public. where they knew whatever they thought about weapons of mass destruction, where they knew this wasn't related to 9/11. that saddam hussein didn't have -- it wasn't afghan. it wasn't al qaeda. they wanted a war for other purposes and they picked the evidence, at best selectively picked very weak evidence to drive that case. and at worst, just knew out-and-out that the case wasn't there. >> you worked for george w. bush. >> the question and answer portion of it? it's a pretty tough question for jeb to answer. so it's not a stumble. it's a difficult thing.
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i'm grateful to not have to reduce it to a second or two. i think one of the things that drove a lot of us back then is the shock of discovering that after the first gulf war, the discovery of how much progress iraq had made on nuclear weapons in the 1980s after the bombing reactor by zroel in 1981. then there was more progress through the 1990s even after the first gulf war discovered by inspectors. saddam was up to more than the inspectors were able to find. anthrax was a huge part of this story. it's now faded from memory but the anthrax attacks in october and november of 2001 -- >> but let me interrupt you.
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>> if you say now, okay it was a good idea to go in there because, look, anthrax production is not where it was back in the 1990s, i just don't think that's a feeling of finality or closure when you talk about iraq. >> there had been a lot of mistakes made. the anthrax attacks drove home the point. and then there was this long history. and there was finally -- and i think this is one of the things that everyone finds awkward to say. there was the realization that the policy that bush had inherited from the clinton administration was coming apart. the sanctions were unraveling. it's a situation in some ways reminiscent what we're about to embark on with iran. endless conflict over trying to get somebody from getting deadly weapons. with a program of containment that was unraveling before our
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eyes. >> i think one of the reasons this conversation is so fraught, not just because of what's happening in iraq today, but because we've never really fully accounted for what happened. so say it was a mistake to go in there in some ways is cold comfort. you have a lot of folks saying ultimately the fact that saddam hussein isn't in power is a good thing. i think it's hugely up for debate. >> exactly. we're back filling i think in this debate that we're having because jeb bush wants to be president. we're completely once again papering over the bottom line whichbated and had a full accounting for. wrote a book saying this administration came into power before 9/11 spoiling for a fight with iraq. when 9/11 happened they manipulated the american public's revulsion at the 9/11 attacks, which had nothing to do with saddam hussein in order to back-fill and create a case for
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something they wanted to do anyway. they wanted to invade iraq for reasons we still have not fully uncovered. but a lot of people it's oil. we have not had an accounting that this administration they were pushing the cia to give them a reason to invade iraq. >> and there is, like the difference, right? you're never -- i go back to you. this returns us to progressive democrats' feelings that this administration lied they did whatever they wanted to get us to a place that they wanted. and conservatives, people who worked in the administration said it wasn't lick that. i have a hard time understanding where you find the peace between the two sides on this issue. how much is jeb bush beginning to have to answer for this until november of 2016?
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>> well he's not -- i don't think he's going to find it easy. if he is the nominee, he will continue to be asked. one reason it's such a painful question is the mistakes in iraq were repeated again. right now we have this huge flow of immigrants from africa into libya. there was a quick plan for military victory. some of the defects in america's strategic thinking. they keep recurring. >> i just wonder how much you can turn the page to talk about isis in iraq and not talk about the roots of isis, including the purge that occurred under george w. bush and not implicate that
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administration all over again. >> robert mcnamara never admitted the vietnam war was a mistake until the bitter end. and part of that is people died for this and you don't want to be in a position of telling them oops i'm sorry, sorry i blue it. i think w thought his father screwed up by leaving saddam in power. the irony of what's going on right now is that jeb observed that mistake. he observed how that psychological drama drove his brother to make this terrible mistake. and he's not making that mistake. the fact that he's talking about his brotherly love and his own personal life journey speaks to the insane psychological baggage of being a bush. >> you can't get out of a psycho
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drama. that's what a psycho drama is. whatever you do. >> this is a little psycho drama right here. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time and thoughts. the retreating questionnaire that sounds like it came out of the al qaeda hr department. that's next on "now." plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed, call, data, and reliability. so you never have to settle. $80 a month. for 10 gigs. and $15 per line. stop by or visit us online. and save without settling. only on verizon. ♪ building aircraft,
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elsewhere in the world away from the vor dex of debate from the iraq war, forget president obama. one columnist argues that hillary clinton would be the most liberal democratic nominee of the last quarter century. and the u.s. releases over 100 documents from the bin laden raid including a questionnaire for potential jihadists. but first, more evidence of malfeasance on wall street.
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loretta lynch announced five of the world's largest banks will plead guilty to criminal charges and pay more than 5 billion tlr in penalties for manipulating foreign currency and interest rates. >> today's historic revelations are the latest in our i don't think efforts to prosecute financial crimes and they serve as a stark remind hear the this department of justice intends to vigorously prosecute all those who tilt the economic system in their favor, who subvert our marketplaces and who enrich themselves at the expense of the american consumer. >> doj's tough talk about cloning up the street comes as a new study suggests unethical conduct remains widespread. the study found a third of bankers making more than $500,000 a year said they have witnessed or have firsthand knowledge of wrong doing in the workplace, and nearly one in five feel financial service professionals must sometimes engage in unethical or illegal
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activity to be successful in the current financial environment. i am impressed that one in five were able to be anonymously truthful on this surf fay. i guess the question is has literally anything changed? >> very little has changed. what you're seeing isn't that this is just isolated rogue operators. it's that the system of incentives still hasn't been regulated in a way that will keep that from happening. even in this prosecution, which is great in the sense that they finally forced the banks to admit guilt. >> big banks. not sub si dares, s subsidaries. >> they held up the announcement of the deal until the s.e.c. could sign off on a waiver saying that's okay you'll be allowed to conduct business as usual. no matter how long the rap sheets get -- >> which is like giving people
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gloves before you knock them on the knuckles. >> or to go out and steal again. we haven't changed the ground rules. your own people admit privately that they know they have to cheat to get ahead. >> it's like a giant alarm going off and off. andrew ross sorkin asks the question, is there something inherent to wall street that leads to bad behavior? said chair william dudley challenged the view that risk takers are drawn to finance like they are drawn to formula one racing. but there is truth to that sorkin argues. wall street is a business of risk takers and those who do it successfully find that edge of the line and get as close to it as possible without crossing it. i don't know that that's an excuse, but does that inform the bad behavior? >>. >> you ask why do people go to
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wall street. it isn't like medicine, where your underlying goal is to save lives. why do you go into wall street and become a trader? to make money. the underlying goal is creating money out of sometimes nothing. creating money out of real estate transaction. their whole goal is to enrich themselves as fast as possible to the maximum extent possible and to then do it again and again and again. sometimes they do that at the expense of the people they're supposed to be making the money for. >> what happens? the punishment is in penalty. jp morgan paid $13 billion in november of 2013. in the first quarter of this year, jp morgan made a $5.9 billion profit. the money is not a penalty. it's a drop in the bucket.
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>> you have this tremendous disparity in power between the regulators and the regulated. the regulators are the people making $100,000 a year. and secretly a lot of them would like to be on the other side making $10 million a year. >> meanwhile, these $10 million a year people are brilliantly innovating how to take advantage of the system. and regulations, we inherently can't keep up with it. i do think for that reason it is a shame that people weren't sent to jail. there has to be that possibility of a punishment that goes beyond the financial. it goes to the point you're talking about, about risk. people are taking risk. they're choosing what risks to take. and they're analyzing the cost benefit. if there's no chance of going to
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jail, they're not afraid. >> first off, if it's criminal there have to be criminal sanctions. somebody has to pay in a criminal way. secondly, i object to this whole idea of risk taking here. i think it's a very clever phrase to put on what is essentially cheating and stealing. it's criminal behavior. it's not like oops i gambled a little bit too much on that horse. >> oops i broke into the slot machine and took all the quarters. >> it's systematic cheating in which these traders every single day for five years were on chat rooms conspireing, calling themselves a cartel in order to do this. that's not risk taking. >> figuring out how to not pay for it. >> if you want to use that risk taking, i think tom brady should use that defense. >> it's even worse because those same people march out on to the floor of the chicago mercantile exchange and call them dead
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beats. >> a class argument, too. >> they create the tea party whose whole goal is to say that middle class americans are the cheats and the greedy and the dead beats, want their pensions to be bigger but we are the captains of industry that are making america great. they also have an attitude where if the president says they're fat cats they moan and groan and complain. >> we are moving on to other things. today u.s. intelligence officials released over 100 documents recovered from during the 2011 bin laden raid, including the contents of bin laden's personal bookshelf, and an al qaeda application form included in the questions on that recruitment form, you're a rival in the land of joe had. any lobbies or pastimes? do you wish to execute a suicide operation? what objects would you like to accomplish on your jihad path
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and who should we contact in case you become a martyr? so jacob, a much discussed piece saying the administration basically fabricated all the -- a lot of the facts. the documents they found are fabricated. a lot of people have said he's wrong on that front. this questionnaire makes me wonder if it's not fabricated by someone. >> it's like the forms i'm filling out to send my kids to summer camp. >> any allergies? >> it's like the bureaucratic nature of all organizations. and how the management techniques come to resemble each other. osama had conspiracy theory books about 9/11 and the pentagon blew himself up. >> which is so weird, because he was the mastermind of 9/11.
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>> maybe it's an ego thing. >> to be in a show in which jeb bush refers to his life journey and al qaeda refers to the jihad path is a little disconcerting. my real concern is there is no bookshelf. these were all data files. >> should that not have been a red flag? i don't know. i find it amazing, joy. >> this needs to be included in our tpa intellectual property negotiations on trade. they're just pirating our good books. >> thank you guys all for your
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monster with tentacles that reaches into every home in our country. the collection of records that is beginning on is beyond your imagination. and we need to know about it. there needs to be a public debate. >> senator paul could hold the floor through noon tomorrow. in his last talkathon, he held the mic for nearly 13 hours, going on at length on the subject of drones. just ahead, roger goodell takes questions on deflate-gate and tom brady. that is next. ♪ building aircraft,
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deflate-gate deflate-gate. >> any time someone's suspended from a game they love, it's difficult. so any player or coach that we're involved with suspending, that decision comes after a great deal of thought and consideration. and i have great admiration and respect for tom brady. but the rules have to be enforced on a uniform basis and they apply to everybody in the loeg. they apply to every club every individual coach every individual player. we put the game ahead of everything. >> the speech came one day after patriots owner robert kraft announced he will not challenge the league's punishment including a $1 million fine and a loss of two draft picks, but that hasn't stopped the nflpa from continuing their appeal on behalf of tom brady, to challenge brady's four-game suspension over deflate-gate. yesterday, the player's union called on goodell to recuse himself from the appeal because he is inherently biassed against brady.
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goodell's response -- >> under due consideration, full consideration to that. >> joining me is ross tucker who played part of his career with the new england patriots. thanks for joining me. do you think this marks a low point for relations between the league and its players? >> i don't look at it that way. most believe tom brady did something inappropriate. they don't want roger goodell hearing the appeals, so they're going to go through the legal process to try to fight that. but ultimately to me this is not as big of an issue as player benefits health insurance, post-playing days. i mean who hears the appeal for guys that hit their wife or hit their fiancee or hit their child or in bringady's case potentially
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cheat. to me that's low on the priority case when you've got 1,800 other players that aren't doing things like that. >> do you think goodell has the confidence of the players and the fans? he has had to shepherd through a lot of scandals in the last year alone. >> i don't think he does but i think that's sort of the nature of that position right? >> he's the guy that they blame. part of the reason he makes over $30 million a year. he's supposed to be the punching bag because the owners don't want the onus to be put on them. that's what you get when you're in that position. there aren't many commissioners in sports that are beloved these days. >> what about tom brady? to your point about ray rice or adrian peterson there is definitely a focus on what they have done wrong. but a lot of attention has been paid to tom brady in deflate-gate. do you think in the long arc of his career this is a major -- i mean, that this derails part of his career?
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>> i think he's the best quarterback of all time which is why i think this is really so unfortunate, because you know for the next 40 years when we're having those br room de-- barroom debates, that people are going to mention this. they're going to mention deflate-gate and spy gate before. that's what stinks. i think he already was that good. i do believe he was involved or at least had knowledge of something inappropriate here. as a result it's going to stain some of his accomplishments and it was totally unnecessary. that's the same of it. >> what about the game of football itself? we have never talked about the nfl in football as much on this show as we have in the last six months. and the profits are up. do you think the game is at all tarnished? >> there are people that say that but none of the metrics indicate that. we're on channels like that more often than the nfl has ever done
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before. there are some people in the league office in new york. i know jerry jones the cowboys owner, feels this way. that any publicity is good publicity. i don't think anybody would come out and say they're happy that the super bowl champions are getting sanctioned the way they are or that tom brady is involved in this. but this is one way to grow the business, people that aren't hardcore nfl fans to get interested in some of the story lines. maybe more people watch the opener because tom brady isn't playing and they're curious to see how his backup will do. >> it is a weird way to get viewership. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. >> he could be considered the father of listicals. tonight, david letterman will require as the number one longest serving late night host in tv history. we'll discuss his legacy just ahead.
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there is good news today for thousands of migrants stranded at sea in southeast asia. malaysia and indonesia announced today they will take in some 7,000 migrants offering them shelter until they can be sent home or resettle. the significant shift comes after more than a week of mounting pressure and deepening crisis, as the two countries pushed boat loads of desperate migrants away from their shores. the question remains how they will be settled or repatriated. most of burma's one million muslim -- live in apartheid conditions. joining me now is "new york times" columnist nick christoph. thanks for joining me. this is good news in a very bad story. what do you make of malaysia and
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indonesia making this decision? >> it's certainly much better than pushing people back out to drown at sea, so there's progress. but at the end of the day, what is really needed is to stop the brutal repression inside myanmar. and countries have not been forthright about the need to address that. >> i think a lot of people are not familiar with the rohinga. they live in a state of constant persecution. you are familiar with this group of people. they're denied citizenship. they have no voting rights. they are denied education and health care. >> their existence is denied. the burmese refuse to call them rohingya. they refuse to use that word. they refer to them as bangalese.
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and now they are being systematically locked up in concentration camps, and i visited them last year and these truly are concentration camps, and medical care aid groups were kicked out. so you have people giving birth without any doctors. you have kids, very very sick, not getting any medical care. and dying. and this is happening in 2015. >> you know, it is worth noting that more than 130,000 rohingya have fled the area by sea, right? since 2012. these sort of mass exoduss have been happening for a while. this is not the first time the rohingya have been sort of left to drown at sea in international waters. and i guess why to your mind have we not been speaking about this and why has the u.s. in particular this situation that likes talking about the successes in burma not taken a harder line with the burmese government on this? >> the rohingya have no one
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paying attention to them. the american government would be a logical candidate, but they'd certainly talk about the importance of mass atrocities. unfortunately they see burma as one of their diplomatic successes. in that context, it's kind of inconvenient -- and truly, you know, credit to the obama administration for helping wane myanmar to a more democratic state, and that is real. but it's also real that they are brutally repressing the rohingya and it's inconvenient to emphasize that and to blow the whistle on burma over that brutality when you're hailing them as your diplomatic achievement. >> and it bears mentioning that a nobel peace prize laureate calls burma her home. >> this is heartbreaking.
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we both admire her so much. she was truly a hero. somebody who showed immense courage standing up to dictatorship. and she has gone from being a saint to a politician. she wants to lead burma and the rohingya are deeply unpopular within burma. she's not going to speak out for them because that would cost her popular support. and in one sense, that is only human and to be expected, but frankly, i guess i expect more of truly a hero. >> it's a very, very questionable and i would say terrible moral choice in the face of a political election this year. you've been following this you continue to follow the plight of those in many cases who are voiceless and especially this group of people. thank you for your writing and your time. >> my pleasure. coming up america says good night to one of the greats. more on that coming up next. gotta get milwaukee up to speed.
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can you envision yourself 20 years from now doing your late night show? [ laughter ] >> good one, john. >> i'll put that one down as a hardly no. >> david letterman, who has been on the air for 33 years with over 6,000 broadcasts, that makes my head hurt will have his last show tonight. he is the longest serving late night talk show host in tv history. last night's guest, bill murray who popped out of a cake and proceeded to spread it all over pretty much everyone and everything. tonight's guests at this point, that remains a mystery. joining me now is comedienne and co-creators of the daily show. it is always good to see you. so he's been in the industry for decades. and when you think about him as an artist that works in the medium, what do you think dave's legacy is going to be? >> i think one of the biggest legacies is going to be that every comedy writer who has come
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into their own in the past maybe 15 years has -- david letterman inspired them to become a comedy writer. when i look back at letterman in the early '80s, i was in college, it was finally letterman who put women on tv leak sandra bernhardt, like margaret smith who were saying things that i could say as a comedienne. carson would have on joan rivers or phyllis diller and their subject matter had nothing to do with my life. so the weird thing, and a lot of us have been talking about it is it was letterman who put on weirdos. he celebrated weirdos. >> and female weirdos. which are much rarer in the world. >> and also without comment. he would let sandra come on.
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she would just run him down and embarrass him in a way that was so brilliant. so you watched strong people coming on and he would be his funny hilarious midwest self. and david letterman said, hey, why is your hair like that? >> you also brought this point. i didn't realize this. he had a female head writer who helped him create the show. women have been a big part of dave's whole thing. >> yeah. you know, the good and the bad. there has been -- i just feel like you can't talk about the legacy on letter without talking about mara marco. she is so hilarious in her own right. and he has a lot of strong women
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behind the scenes. as not very many female writers. and, you know it's also, too, when he had his women problems, he unlike many hosts who are on television who have women problems, he took it front and center. he didn't say what he had to say written by the network. >> he owned it. >> he owned it. i think that's why it wasn't talked about as much. i'm not excusing it at all because he didn't excuse it and i never would. but he dealt with it with dignity and grace. i would say one of the greatest moments watching late night is when dave had to come out and say you know what? yeah i did this and i'm really embarrassed. craig ferguson's monologue following that is one of the greatest things to watch. ever. >> youtubers listen to that. >> youtubers listen up. it's incredible. >> speaking of pets, joshua rockman has an assessment of the kind of humor dave is a purveyor
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of. letterman, he writes, is for cat people. dog people who seek out affability and enthusiasm in their late night hosts gravitate to toward jay leno and jimmy fallon. cat people like letterman because he's prickly indifferent and mysterious. >> trigger warning trigger warning. >> you do not agree. >> well first of all, anybody who knows me knows i'm a rabid dog person. >> not rabid dogs. but just dogs. >> any dog really. a rabid dog. the rabidy is not the dog's fault. let's blame the owner for the frothing of the mouth. i don't believe that's true. i believe that letterman is a dog person. >> dog humor. >> yes. >> he's affable in there. >> i am a cat person and a dog person. am i allowed to be both of those things? >> i feel that sometimes cat people, they tolerate a lot of things from their animals. a cat is so indifferent to you and you love it anyway. david letterman does not love
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people who are indifferent to him. >> well, he's a man for all pets. stupid pets and otherwise. liz, it is always good to see you. we'll be watching dave tonight. that's all for us. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show," live from new york. let's get to work. tonight, the oil spill on the coast. >> 21,000 gallons of oil leaks from a busted pipeline. >> fossil fuels we burn release carbon dioxide. the planet is getting warmer. plus big banks busted. >> this department of justice intends to vigorously prosecute. >> later, elizabeth warren questions hillary clinton on tpp. >> i'm proposing this amendment, to make sure that no future president can fast track a trade agreement. >> this is obviously a very hot topic right now. and, question time. >> roger, will robert kraft's decision for the patri
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