our long national nightmare is over. >> you our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare

is over. letterman is retiring. >> you're just kidding right? thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. welcome to the "late show." i wand to tell you one thing. i'll be honest with you, it's beginning to look like i'm not dwoog going to get "the tonight show." i want to thank my own family my wife regina and my son, harry. seriously, just thank you for being my family. i love you both and really nothing else matters, does it. the people who watch this show there is nothing i can do to ever repay you. thank you for everything. you've given me everything. and thank you again. all right. that's pretty much all i got. the only thing i have left to do

for the last time on a television program, thank you and good night. >> that's nice. >> wow. welcome to "morning joe." of course david letterman retiring. and willie geist, there are no words. you always talk about paul hk cart any mccartney, paul mccartney. the other guy is letterman. he's been everything. he's been here. like carson was for another generation he was for us. >> and for i think a couple of generations probably. i was too young to stay up late enough to watch the 80s on the nbc show but -- >> that makes me feel really old. i was in college. >> even in high school you know 12:30 at night. so then i got to college and he moves over to cbs in '93 and that's when i really started watching every night. and i started to realize what my

dad and older friends were talking about. and i thought last night, although it wasn't a big explosive emotional finale, it was perfect for him. there was no crying. no real sentimentality. he thanked the right people. it was very funny. top ten was great. and it was perfect dave. i thought it was a great way to go out. >> i think mark halperin the thing that was so shocking about letterman when he first exblowedploded on to the scene, it was almost kind of like "mad men." remember when "mad men" first came out, you said oh, my gosh it's like they do a movie every week movie quality every week. i remember early on going it's kind of like you get "saturday night live" every single night. especially at the beginning, he did some very subversive things. >> and also great interviewer. great booker and great

interviewer and it made an hour long show -- some maybe you can watch at the top and that's it. but i think one of the top five or seven comedy figures in history. >> and we have some of the top ten list. check it out. >> top ten things i've always wanted to say today. number ten, alec baldwin. >> of all the talk shows, yours is most geographically convenient to my home. >> thank you, alec. >> dave did you know that you wear the same cologne as moammar gadhafi? >> yes barbara. >> your extensive plastic surgerynecessity. and a mistake. >> dave, i have no idea what i'll do when you go off the air. you know i just thought of something. i'll be fine.

>> thank you, jerry. >> honestly dave i've always found you to be be a bit of an overactor. >> number five chris rock. >> i'm just glad your show is being given to another white guy. >> thanks for letting me take part in another hugely disappointing series finale. >> dave, you are to comedy what i am to comedy. >> thanks for finally proving men can be funny. >> dave i'll never have the money i owe you. >> oh, no. >> very nice. >> wow. are you a letterman fan? >> i am. i've never been more nervous -- >> than when you were on

letterman. you were funny. >> that was the worst day of my life. and the best. what's so funny? >> you were deemed a young lucille ball. >> we have to tell people. >> i've heard a lot of people, jimmy pal lonfallon said that the other night. you go on dave it's a nerve-racking experience. >> yeah. >> got to bring your a-game. >> yeah. bring your a-game. >> i'm going to do the news. >> no you're not. i think we have to say -- >> it's up to mika. >> what? i will do the news. where is the news? >> what is so funny? >> oh, my god. it's worse than i ever imagined.

just awful. >> wilbur in the back is howling. >> you weren't talking. >> no i did the tease. >> no it was horrible we all laughed. okay. you'll have to explain to every. >> there is an adjustment period. >> i hope there's an adjustment period or she's going back to -- >> look at the first three words. >> you have to explain. >> we have to explain now. >> all right. we're on live tv. you can't say isis. >> i can. isis. >> no you can't. >> yes i did did. >> say isis three times. >> no i'm fine. why aren't you putting it in the prompter? okay. halperin. >> what did you do yesterday? >> i got braces. >> for the first time? >> uh-huh. >> and there is a little bit of an adjustment period. >> live on television. >> you sound like cindy brady. >> it's not that bad, is it? >> it's really kind of bad. >> is it really?

you can tell? can you tell? >> alex you're the e.p. take control. >> halperin why don't you toss to heilman focus group. >> there is an adjustment period. i didn't even think you needed braces. >> i didn't either honestly. >> it's my bite. it's bad. >> well, now it's your lisp. >> so tell me about the focus group. >> yeah. >> yesterday -- we had a democratic -- >> that's awful. >> they're only inside. you can't see them. >> that's so great. >> makes it harder to talk. i'm getting better see? >> no it's getting worse. all right. so -- >> republicans. >> we did a republican focus group that john heilemann led and we asked them about jeb bush and about the big republican field. >> and what did you find? >> we found some pretty big

surprises both how people feel in general about the field and what problems they have with jeb bush. >> do you look at this whole republican field all 12 or 14 or 15 or 9 or however may end up running running, do you look at that field and think that's a pretty good field that's a good group to choose from? >> i'm a little overwhelmed. it's like there's lots of people. >> hopefully somebody will r strong will rise to the stop. and i think that's scary with the big wide open field. i don't see a good strong candidate about that. >> so last week in the media there was a lot of discussion about jeb bush and his views of the iraq war, the war that his brother started. and i just want to know how much you've heard about that. >> i wish he would have and he should have known that question was coming. >> he was in a hard place and those real good politicians can shuffle out of a place like that. >> anybody who thinks it's comical and flows about jeb bush's position and was bothered by it?

nobody in the room? >> what is common core, i guess i don't understand it. >> in terms of jeb bush, have you heard about his positions on immigration and can to theydo they bother you? >> i've not heard his position. >> if not any of those specific things that bother you why is there nobody in the room who is either more enthusiastic or more curious about him? >> i think it goes back to his name. we talk about somebody who is electable and he could be the best candidate, but i don't know if he is electable or not. >> i think our country should be run by -- like a business and i don't think it should be be rub like a family business. and that's what's going to happen i think if we get him in. >> i don't know if he can beat hillary. because goes back to bush verse clinton. what's going to happen? that scares me. i don't have a problem with him or learning about him, but i am really worried. >> wow. you know that's really interesting that they don't focus on common core.

>> never heard of it. >> focus on iraq. that's activists. >> or immigration. >> immigration, they don't focus really closely. hang rank and file people are people that work and get home and they don't sit and listen to -- >> jeb bush himself would tell you from the beginning this has been his focus he's known that this was a problem. but this group again these are independent -- not independent, but unable lined voters voters looking for candidates. you heard in the beginning of that clip that they don't like the big field they're worried that it will take a while to sort through. but their interested in jeb bush is low. they like marco rubio, scott walker, carly fiorina. they really don't want another bush. >> that's what is so interesting. we were at cpac together, we've been to the new hampshire event together. we go to all of these events, and nobody is running around with their hair on fire saying i

hate jeb bush. it's worse than that. nobody is talking about him. i have yet to find the first person and all of the republican events i've been to to come up to me and go i'm here for jeb. it's nonexistent. you have washington types running around him. it's not a knock on him. maybe you'll campaign and build it up. you'll hear that about hillary on the democratic side. they're excited about hillary on the democratic side. have you -- let me just ask you. have you ever had anybody come up to you in any of these republican events saying i came here, i drove here specifically for jeb? >> no passion and not top of mind. and again, this group, the voices are just loud and clear, just they're not interesteded in another bush. i think jeb about your is certainly amongst the strongest jen election candidates.

you heard one of the people express they didn't want to send a bush into battle with hillary clinton. the best thing you can say is he has a lot of work to come. he has a lot of work to do. >> and jeb was in new hampshire yesterday talking about list last name. eni love my brother, i love my dad, my mom. i'm a bush. people have to get over it. that was his quote. >> i do think that he would be the strongest general election candidate. and i think he would be a great president. that's me personally. but i don't think see how gets through a primary process where people -- again, it's not anger or rage. they just don't connect to him. >> the other thing you can say, and you heard at the top of the clip we played there, the field is wide open. there is support for various people, but, you know, if it's a 16 candidates field there is vocal support for 10 of them in

iowa. and that means again i think it gives him an opportunity in a big field to try to make apan impression. >> so why does the bush name hurt so much in the republican fieldpan impression. >> so why does the bush name hurt so much in the republican fieldan impression. >> so why does the bush name hurt so much in the republican field but the clinton name doesn't hurt in the democratic field. >> it sounds like the problems with the bush name actually keeps them from voting while the problems with hillary clinton doesn't keep them from voting. >> you're right. >> well said. >> does that make sense? you have another focus group, i want to hear because there are some problems but what we heard yesterday it sounded lying they are like they're just going to vote for her. >> we'll listen to the democratic focus group. they think hillary clinton and bill clinton play by their own rules, but they do have concerns about the secrecy and that another scandal could be her

undoing. >> why didn't she talk more about benghazi. she hid behind it. i would really like to see the next president actually be more forth right and be more outspoken and we made a mistake, this is where we went wrong. just completely own it. but we don't have politicians like that anymore. >> what is the thing that gives you the most concern about her as a potential candidate for your democratic party or potential president? >> i guess her honesty. like you were talking about benghazi, this whole e-mail thing. she's just very closed quiet, closeted person. and i think that's probably one of her down sides. >> it was reported the other day that the clintons bill and hillary together have made $30 million in speaking fees some there overseas interests. does that trouble you at all? >> no it doesn't. i mean of course they have.

he's an ex-president. you know they make a lot of money, so do the bushes. so do a lot of politicians. would i feel a little bit more comfortable if they had more common person's experience, you know yes, i would. but is it in the top 30 of issues that i care about, no it's really not that important to me. >> it seems pretty silly to me that she thought using a g-mail account was acceptable for diplomatic related stuff. but really i don't care. i mean i've got e-mails that i don't want people reading. not because they're -- there is bad stuff in there, but it's my personal stuff. >> i saw that whole focus group on your show yesterday and a couple things jumped out at me.bothered by the scandals certainly not

enough to vote for her. and i think on the jeb bush side with heilman oig substance wasn't at the core of the way they feel. so they didn't know about immigration and common core with jeb bush and they didn't know a lot about hillary clinton's foreign policy experience at secretary of state. it was more personality based. >> the one thing they like about her on substance, she's moved to the left. people like elizabeth warren have forced her to go to the left. they would like a progressive president, but they also want to hold the white house. and the democrats in the group are so determined to win and they dochbts seen't see another way to keep the white house be sides her. they don't all love her personally. but they like the fact that they think the clintons know how to win. >> i thought the guy talking about the e-mail is amazing. she used the wrong server, she did something wrong, but i don't care. >> and i said do you mind her ties to wall street. they said everybody has ties to

wall street. >> the most cynical vote i've ever heard. >> they certainly were realistic. whereas again the republicans are looking for somebody they like. somebody who can inspire them and they have this big field that is confusing and the democrats are basically like this is our candidate. >> isn't that fascinating? it's usually backwards where the party that is out of power becomes cynical and they will say we're going to do whatever it takes to get back in to the white house. this happens all the time. whereas the party that is in power and has been in power for eight years are far less cynical and they want to do better they want somebody that plays to their heart. this is just the opposite. hillary clinton can get away with whatever she wants to get away with with democrats whereas the republicans are sitting there i would suggest not being pragmatic enough about the possibility of losing the white house for the next eight years

pipe not saying jeb is the guy that gets it but i'm just saying if the republicans lose the white house for the next eight years, they lose the supreme court for a generation, they lose the federal bureaucracy for a generation. >> affordable care act. >> everything. the world changes forever in washington, d.c. i mean you're talking about fdr from 1933 to 1945. when i say changes forever, i'm not being too dramatic. the face of the federal government will change forever just like it did with fdr if democrats lock it down for another eight years and republicans, they don't seem to be getting that. >> and that came across most starkly in another moment where john asked them about do you want a republican nominee who can appeal to female voters, who can appeal to hispanic voters or african-americans. they basically said no. it's not top of mind to them.

whereas most of the strategists in the party say of course we need a in thatnm nominee who can do that. so it's not just losing the white house for eight years. it's losing a whole new generation of the coalition of the as send dent that president obama got support for. >> striking. still ahead, bobby jindal will join us. >> he'll talk about how he has the plans to crack open the republican field. >> plus taking the fight to isis. >> we have former white house counterterror adviser richard clarke he joins us along with the acclaimed war reporter dexter dexter filkins. >> and we'll talk it david letterman's two long time writers about the late night comedian's lasting legacy. >> all those ss. suffering succotash, we'll be right back.

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retired? by god, i hope to become the new face of scientology. here's some statistics. paul and i have been doing this show 33 years. and that's 6028 shows. that's a lot of shows. earlier today, we got a call from stephen hawking. and he bless his heart had done the math because he's a genius and stuff, and 6028 shows and he ran the numbers and he said it works out to about eight minutes of laughter. >> we have the media table here. >> why don't you bring this in. >> no i've got it. reporter for the "los angeles times," stephen battaglio along

with don with donnie deutsche. >> the braces don't turn her into somebody from amsterdam, okay? >> i didn't know what you were going with there. she's got braces. >> she's not dutch. >> can you hear it? >> i can't hear it. >> thank you. and he's a critic. on listens for a living. >> what was the reason for the braces? >> bite problems. listens for a living. >> what was the reason for the braces? >> bite problems. >> is that like a female midlife crisis? >> midlife crisis for sure. >> speaking of midlife cries cease, look at donny deutsche. >> we're announcing a new segment, it's friday's fashion. >> if you're as rich, he's going to the hamptons. >> there is the the joe

scarborough attire. >> i'd never wear that. it looks good. you just went brown loafers. >> well, letterman's last night. how did it go? >> that was morelhorrible. how was dave? >> i thought it was terrific. if you loved dave you got exactly what you you loved about him. there weren't any hugs. it didn't all of a sudden turn into a sentimental showbiz pow wow. it was him still making fun of position after all these years. i thought -- i mean how can you go wrong when you open with jerry ford saying long national nightmare is over. >> where do you rank dave among the late night hosts? >> you can't really rank dave high enough because he was such an influencer.

every guy that is on now thanks him, cites him as an inspiration. >> category of his own. >> he opened up the door for them. he showed with a was possible. the talk show was sort of the phone any show business construct. and he ploou it apart and allowed people to be themselves and bring different things to it. and plus you have to remember before dave came organization there was nothing on after 12:30. he had the venue to himself for so long which is why we know him so well. and it proliferated from that point on. >> what is so interesting donny, is that obviously carson was his hero. carson was everybody's. carson was just unbelievable. i've got no words for him either. every night you'd see johnny carson and that's obviously who

inspired him. and yet at the end of dave ear's career, david letterman was far more influential on the comedians around him. johnny carson didn't change the way young comedians address audiences the way dave did. >> carson to letter man and now kimmel and fallon. and carson was the voice of the face of the greatest generation. letterman was the ultimate face of the boomers and now the faces of genxs. and no coincidence, it's not built for this box, items built for us to go on youtube and whatnot. people never watch late nature the night the way we watched it. basically the way people a consume late night are in little chunks and bits. it's more bit oriented. what is also interesting, if you

look at the people on the top ten list, average age was probably letterman is the voice of -- >> when letterman came on in the early '80s, everybody would stay up and watch carson. once letterman came on in the '80s i heard it time and time again, from my parents, from my friends' parents, i heard it from everybody, i don't get him. they just didn't get -- it was new. and again, there was no competition. i mean he really had -- if you wanted to watch television at 12:30, that was what was there unless it was an old move have iie on another channel. so interesting to have him there like this captive audience, it made him immediately polarizing. because he had the field to himself. and a lot of people were asking

they just didn't know what to make of him. >> and you rightly point out kimmel went dark because he didn't want to compete against dave. conan comes on the air last night "life" and says hit the dvr button, now change the channel and go watch dave. that's what he brought to those guys. but it was also to regular people. tina fey had a quota couple days ago which made me think a lot, she said every guy i met in college, whether they knew it or not, had some version of dave letterman's personality. his sarcasm. >> they would take that cadence and all of a sudden that sarcastic tone. it became really part of the lingo. >> he play some had greatest hits including where he would sit and talk to kids. >> here now some conversations we had over the years with the kids. how is mommy? >> good. >> what is mommy's name? >> i don't know. >> guess my favorite food. come on. just give it a try.

come on. here i'll give you a hint. all right? pie. try and guess my favorite food. >> pie. >> nope. meatloaf. >> jingle bells -- dashing through the snow -- jingle bells -- you got to be quiet. ♪ you are not, you are not, you are not funny! >> so cute. >> he doesn't change his cadence persona whether he's talking to steve martin or to a little kid. i was out of work in 1980 and he had a morning show for about a minute. >> oh, high god, yeah. >> and i remember watching "the price is right" going what is

this? >> one final thing that i found so interesting. just parallels between carson and letterman are extraordinary. both guys loved by millions and millions of people. but personally, both of them i won't say tortured but not the happiest souls this the in the world. i remember reading profiles of carson going into movie theaters by position. sad, lonely. >> i think that's where you will see the two diverge. i think you will see david letterman begin. i think he likes talking to interesting people in front of an audience. and there are a lot of places you can did that. you can see him doing a show on satellite radio, you can see him doing a tour. where he sells tickets. places where he has conversations with interesting people. he's not going to go away.

>> and what a wonderful moment mika, when he talked about his family. >> i know. >> here is a guy he didn't play showbiz. you can tell he worked and he went home. and i think that is a big difference between carson and letterman. >> steven thank you very much. donny, stay with us. it's okay, right? you know they're putting the top on next week. >> oh, my god. willie, are you ready to read the news? >> i did. i said steven thank you. coming up rand paul makes his latest stand for the senate floor. we'll be right back. ♪ every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve.

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my voice is rapidly leaving. my bed sometime long since passed. and i think it's time that we summarize why we're here today and what my hope is for the future with this issue. we want to vote on reforms, we want to vote on several different forms of ways that we can fix this and that this goes on and comes up every three years for goodness sakes, can't we spend a couple days trying to amend this trying to make it better. >> that's senator rand paul wrap

wrapping up his ten hour protest. it comes as the justice department warn it is may have to end the nsa collection of phone records if they fail to reach a deal. joining us now kelly o'donnell. kelly, there seems to be a little confusion. was it or was it not an actual filibuster? >> it really was a case of people filling the time when he was on the floor debating about whether it was a filibuster or not. rand paul defends it as a philly filibuster because his time on the floor delayed filing motions to get other business done. not because in the inside he was not protesting the legislation before the senate right now. so that's kind of a fun debate if you're here in the senate but the bigger issue was that he was trying to send a message that he believes the senate should devote some time to really deal with this question, that really first sprung open on the public stage when edward

snoud made snowden made it public. rand paul says part of the patriot act should be reformed and he believes fourth amendment rights have not been protected. so this is a chance for him to also do something else as a declared presidential candidate, this was a way to use the senate floor and an issue that he has been really identified with to amplify his presidential ambition ambitions. after his 10 1/2 hours were done, maybe he got off this time to see a little bit of the letterman farewell our cameras caught up with him to ask about the fact that while he was on the senate floor, his campaign was tweeting out opportunities to buy rand paul khatchoch skis. >> what do you say to critics? >> i think we'll know in a couple of days whether or not the it practically helps us get

amendments. and i think if it practically helps to stop the bulk collection of record then it will be a success. good night, guys. >> so he might have the benefit of helping his campaign and drawing attention and driving fundraising. and at the same time, he certainly shined a light on an issue that many americans not just libertarians on the conservative end of things but on the progressive left. he had ten senators joining him, including a number of democrats who also have concerns about the government collecting phone data. will it have a big effect that remains to be scene. he probably doesn't have the votes to stop it, but he wroughtbrought a lot of attention to it once again. >> and kept you up late. kelly, thanks so much. amy, this issue has made for interesting bedfellows. rand paul, tea parties and aclu both together on this issue. >> and it's raised rand paul's profile. and you can't blame a guy for

cross-promoting. after working for bill fist the senate floor is usually empty, so i'm glad to see somebody giving a speech.rist, the senate floor is usually empty, so i'm glad to see somebody giving a speech. is this metadata collection program actually working? it doesn't stop the boston bombers. and we had tips from the russian government. so as you say, strange bedfellows about and people were concerned about america's national security. >> whether you're talking about drone war pairfare or excess or the collection of data the thing i certainly found since 9/11 is if you're going to take that position, take the position that rand paul is taking taking the position i've taken on excessive use of drones, get out of the way. because you'll get run over because the majority of republicans, majority of americans, they support it. they support aggressive drone warfare. and they support -- >> because nobody wants to be responsible for what is happening.

>> this is the liberal -- to me leave 215 alone. as far as i'm concerned, you can have all my phone data. strange call to yemen, i want them knowing about it. excessive use from drone, there is a different kind of war. there will be civilian casualties. this is where america lines up because our first priority is to protect yourselves. you said it didn't stop boston. >> the white house's own review panel said this met itadata collection program was not exception. and it's plain old fashioned detective work. >> it's not either/or. >> ryeprivacy is a big concern and rand paul has his finger on the pulse of this with young people. we know mitch mcconnell wants to renew the patriot act as is, so rand paul is outside the

republican mainstream, but he's getting traction with young people on this issue. >> and the nss has asked that you stop forwarding your metadata to them. >> they really don't want to see it. >> i was just seeing he was looking at his phone. there is too much. >> everybody the nsa doesn't want to see it. coming up next, what is the bigger threat from isis? there are guns on the ground or cyber campaign on the worldwide web. former whoutite house counterterror adviser richard clarke next.

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half of syria's territory. joining us richard clarke. he served as counterterrorism adviser on president obama's first campaign. his new thoflnovel, pinnacle event, was released on tuesday. good to have you with us. let's talk about strategy if there is one, what is it? we saw ramadi fall, and now palmyra. what is the united states strategy at this moment? >> we don't have a strategy as far as i can tell in syria. in iraq we have a strategy that is not working which is to let everybody else kind of do it and we'll provide loose support. we have to decide as a country whether we care about this. the congress has refused to act on the president's request for the use of force authorization. so the congress habitsn't stepped up. do the american people think isis is a threat to us? i think the answer should be yes. but we need to make that

decision. and then stop fooling around. isis has controlled -- >> what can we do? >> centcom has been asking to have u.s. advisers forward air controllers and advisors forward with the iraqi national army units. maybe, maybe we don't know, but maybe if they were in ramadi they wouldn't have broken. >> why aren't we doing it? >> risk. we're risk averse. we don't want that american casualty. after all, we've left iraq. except for the 3,000 guys we still have there. >> we're paying for a decade of war and occupation? >> sure. we fought there it didn't work. and there is a reluctance in the administration to do anything that looks like going back. but in some limited way more than we're doing now we have to go back if we want to destroy isis. doctor what

>> what are the consequences of inaction? >> that we have a terrorist sanctuary nation. it's a nation. it's got a couple million people. s's larger than about 3 dozen nation s ins in the u.n. it straddles the iraqi border. it's a country and it will train terrorists and send them places like here. >> we have leaders telling us about we have to train the iraqi army. that nthasn't worked. >> we've been training the iraqi army for, what ten years now. >> exactly. did he end at the end of the day, is there any alternative to boots on the ground if we want to have the substantial impact? >> yeah, there is. if you define it as american active combat units, we don't need to come that. special forces units, yes, as we did in the syria raid over the

weekend. but there are ways. we could arm the kurds. we haven't been doing that because the baghdad government doesn't want us to. we could arm sunni that lish shamilitia. baghdad isn't want us to. we could provide air support for the iranian backed shia militia. we haven't done that because the administration is afraid of the congressional reaction. >> what do you prefer of those options. >> all of them. all of them. we're faced with a major threat. we have no ross spect of liberating mosul this year. when the year began, the pentagon was planning with the iraqis to will i beliberate fallujah in april or may. now that's not even a possibility perhaps this year. we are in a serious situation. we have to make that decision as a country explicitly. because we'll have some casualties and we'll have some costs. people need to decide if they want to go back into iraq even a little bit but they have to to

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one thing i wanted to ask his first name -- >> zbigniew-b-i-g-n-i-e-wz-b-i-g-n-i-e-w. [ ding ] >> that was good. she actually jumped. >> this entire campaign is basically been about mitt romney. you've got republicans that aren't excited about him. i mean he's a lot like jay leno. he can draw a crowd, but nobody really likes him. so at the end of the day --

thank you very much. so you're kind of as a republican, you know -- can i work at cbs now? because it will be tough going back to 30 rock. >> there you go. oh my gosh. >> mika was so nervous. i've never seen her that nervous in her entire life. i loved him. he's a hero to me. i mean donny, we were talking about this last hour. this is a guy who idolized car so that son, but he was more the hero. actually, you remember carson. but johnny carson was extraordinary. dave somehow managed to be more influential. >> to your point carson was

prolific, but he didn't change the map of the country. letterman was our voice for a generation. just his cynical but yet still at the same time he was establishment and anti-establishment, which is kind of what the boomers are. and he was more than anybody the voice of the boomer generation. >> and to position how bigthink how big he stayed when media broke into a million pieces. carson had his turf, but it was a much small are playing field. >> johnny carson had a monopoly. dave did not. and yet i love the tina fey line that every guy she ever dated had some of dave's personality in him. guys learned how to joke how to talk, how to act from watching dave letterman at night. certainly the humor side of things. >> he made irony a national way

of speaking about culture and politics and everything else. >> let's toss to some of the moments from last night. >> i want to thank my own family, my wife, regina and my son, harry. seriously, just thank you for being my family. i love you both. and really nothing else matters, does it. the people who watch this show there is nothing i can do to ever repay you. thank you for everything. you've given me everything. and thank you again. all right. that's pretty much all i got. the only thing i have left to to for the last time on a television program, thank you and good night. >> straightforward. lack of gush shall i sentiment.termanletterman.

>> he welcomed ten surprised guests who one by one delivered the night's top then list. >> number ten, alec baldwin. >> of all the talk shows yours is most geographically convenient to my home. >> thank you, alec. >> dave did you know that you wear the same cologne as moammar gadhafi. >> yes, barbara. >> your extensive plastic surgery was a necessity. and a mistake. >> dave, i have no idea what i'll do when you go off the air. you know i just thought of something. i'll be fine. >> thank you, jerry. >> honestly dave, i've always found you to be a bit of an overactor.

>> number five chris rock. >> i'm just glad your show is being given to another white guy. >> thanks for letting me take part in another hugely disappointing series finale. >> dave you are to comedy what i am to comedy. >> thanks for finally proving men can be funny. >> dave i'll never have the money i owe you. >> oh, no. >> bill murray of course the first guest in 1982. i still remember. what a way to end it. let's go to iowa and your focus groups and an abrupt turn here. the jeb bush -- what you got

from this focus group is pretty darn remarkable. again, sort of a collective yawn. >> yeah. john heilemann and i talked to one group of democrats one group of republicans. and everybody in the polling, you see jeb bush, people say they have concerns about common core, about immigration. this graup has a totally different concern and it is within the bush campaign their main concern, which is his family name. >> do you look at this whole republican field all 12 or 14 or 15 or 9 or however many he said up running do you look at that field and think that's a pretty good field, republicans are doing -- a good group to choose there? >> i'm a little overwhelmed. there's lots of people. >> hopefully somebody strong will rise to the top and i don't see a really good strong candidate. >> last week in the media, there was a lot of discussion about jeb about your and hisbush and his views of the iraq war. how much have you heard about

that? >> i wish he would have and he should have known that question was coming. >> he was in a hard place and real good politicians can shuffle out of those places. >> is there anybody who thinks common core is important and notices about jeb bush's position and was bothered by it? nobody in the room? >> i have to -- what is common core? i guess i don't understand. >> in terms of jeb bush, have you heard about his positions on immigration and do they bother you? >> i've not heard his position on it, but -- >> if it's not any of those specific things that bother you, why is there nobody in the room who is either more enthusiastic or are more curious about him? >> i think it goes back to his name. we talk about somebody who is electable. he could be the best candidate, but i don't know if he is electable or not. >> i think our country is a country and it should be run by-of like a business and i don't think it should be run like a family business and that's what will happen i think if we get him in.

>> i don't know if he can beat hillary. because it goes back to bush verse clinton. what's going to happen? i don't have a problem with him or learning about him, but i am really worried. >> first time i ran, i would wave to people as you're going to the voting booth, say you're 200 yards away, whatever. and it was the last time i ever did it because i looked at these people and i said there is no way they are in the weeds as much as we've been in the weeds and it scared the hell out of me. i got in my car and i drove across the district and i looked at the beach. i said i am really scared. i'm focused on all of these things and i found out people like me and so many of us are still engaged. sort of naval gazing. this ideological naval gazing yes, common core mattered to me. not having the federal government involved matters to me. here you have likely

caucusgoers, what is common core is this what is ? what is his position on immigration? people vote more on a general feeling about a candidate than the specific ideology. even in a place like iowa. >> and the problem for jeb is the activists do know with common core and immigration and they really a lot of noise. here you have well meaning people, really want a republican president, see this giant field and sort of the one of the main thing they seized on is they don't want another bush. they don't think he can win a general election and they don't think that the name is helpful in any way. even though they don't dislike his father or brother. they just don't think the party should have -- >> which is so ironic because he's the most electable. since 1952 people have voted for the more likeable candidate. when you talk about issues and, mark you know this it's astounding. i don't mean to sound elitist how ignorant people are when it comes to why --

>> it actually does sound very elitist. here's what i found, amy. it's not that people are, quote ignorant, people care about what matters to them. and what matters to them is not the intricacies of an educational fight. what matters, can they get a good job that allows them to send their kids to the schools they want to be able to and pay for college. while a lot of us scrap on the small things. early on a lot of people just -- we would grow to the house floor and we would say like it's the end of the world. after about three years of that you're like wait a second. >> it's exhausting. >> and we're all -- we're looking. people care about what matters to their lives. not the what matters in a political debate. >> do you have your single issue voters who are driven by common core, some of the other issues. or the nsa metadata program we were talking about earlier. but, yes people are looking at the economy, how are they doing,

how will their children do in the future. whether they be better off with this candidate. but i want to make the point that being concerned about dynasties, political dynasties, i think is a substantive concern. >> i think it is, too. >> and you see it on both sides. conservatives and progressives who say we don't need more clintons and bushes. we have 316 million people in america. and we can only boil it down to these two families? >> except for the fact democrats don't seem to care. >> in our groups the democrats said we don't want another brush, but another clinton that's fine because that is a family that -- >> but that's progressives versus democrats. >> a lot of progressives have said we like elizabeth warren bernie sanders, but hillary clinton is moving far enough to the left that she can win. they don't think sanders can win. >> and bill clinton, yes, he left office under a cloud. at the same tie, he also left with 60% approval rating. so a clinton left the white house with an approval rating

over 60. that. >> that proebtdbably went up. >> george w. bush left office in the 30s maybe the 20s? >> also in terms of what people care about, on the dnlic side they don't care about the e-mails. it's amazing. they don't care about the scandal. right or wrong. >> but it is becoming a trust issue for hillary clinton. >> it's kind of not. take a look. >> these democrats were well informed about all the clinton controversy, but in the end, they were willing to overlook most of them. >> why did she actually talk more about benghazi? she hid behind it and didn't discuss it. and i would really like to see the next president actually be more forthright. we made a mistake, this is where we went wrong. just completely own it. but we don't have politicians like that anymore. >> what's the thing that gives

you the moos concern aboutst concern about her? >> i guess her honesty. like you were talking about benghazi, this whole e-mail thing that she supposedly deleted thee-mails. she's a closeted person and i think that's probably one of her down sides. >> it was reported that the clintons bill and hillary together have made $30 million in speaking fees some from overseas interests. does that trouble you at all? >> no it doesn't. i mean, of course they have. he's an ex-president. you know, they make a lot of money, so do the bushes. so do a lot of politicians. would i feel a little bit more comfortable if they had more common persons experience, you know? yes, i would. but is it in the top 30 of issues that i care about? no it's really not that

important to me. >> it seems pretty silly to me that she thought using a g-mail account was acceptable for diplomatic related stuff, but really i don't care. i mean i've got e-mails that i don't want people reading. not because there is bad stuff in there, but that's high personal stuff. >> you're not secretary of state. isn't that amazing somehigh personal stuff. >> you're not secretary of state. isn't that amazing some? >> you can kind of rationalize she has nowhere to go. there is no alternative so you go, yeah okay. >> but on the republican side, you have real issues with jeb bush where they are not sure -- >> because what donny just said you have with republicans you have 18 candidate, 19 candidates. on the democratic side, you have one that they think could win. but they're at least five or six

republicans who could win this thing. >> so take a look at another clip with the democrats. >> is there any concern that that you have bill clinton could cause a problem for her? >> watching my favorite show scandal, going by what they do there, i think he will play a big part. i think they will try to attack him because people will see them as once. they won't see hillary and bill. they will see the clintons. so i think they will like we said hillary is more laid back to herself. and bill is a little more out there. so i think they will try to attack him more to get to her. >> maybe you position of bill clinton's scandal could be a problem for hillary? >> they will be able to dig something up and they will use it. all it takes is one high school said thing here or there, word in the wrong place and there is a huge scandal about something.

it's all blown out of proportion. sfwr. >> look at the scandal he survived, though. get over cheating on your wyche in the oval office literally. i mean his popularity soared after he was impeached. >> we talked about this yesterday. democrats certainly celebrated the fact that bill clinton got away with everything and they celebrated it. i think there is among the rank and file such a fear of republicans, of the right wing boogeyman, that they will dance with wheefroever gets them there. >> clintons know the way to win and the democrats are aware of that they're aware of all of their problems past and potentially in the future and they're smart, they see, this is our option. this is how we keep the white house. and they think the clintons are treated unfairly but they also recognize that they can fight their way out. >> let's remember bill clinton

got a rock star greeting at the 2012 democratic convention. he was considered the star that actually helped put obama's campaign back on track. >> we're a country that celebrates winning. we will overlook a lot whether tom brady or anybody else. >> what about 2008 though. i sit here and i think people are projecting bill on to hillary. how is hillary going to be in the general -- because i can tell you this. two years ago, republicans were afraid of hillary clinton. now every single republican that is running for president can't wait to go up against her. >> in 2008, somebody really sexy and appealing came along and hillary went by the wayside. if there were other alternatives alternatives -- >> what did i have to do with her losing? >> there is nowhere else to go. >> democrats in the group said she was bad in 2008 because she was going up against barack obama. they think she's better now.

>> how is she better? what proof have we gotten through her book tour through the first month of this campaign? please somebody give me one positive -- i'm not being negative towards hillary. >> she hasn't spoken to reporters in four weeks. >> she can't do that in the general election. >> i believe for republicans particularly, if they put bush up, i think bush beats clinton. no matter what people say, it's an old name, new face. hillary, old name, old face. and i don't mean in terms of age. >> if the republicans dominate a strong general election candidate, they have a great chance to win. >> still ahead, two brothers responsible for some of david letter plan's best bits and biggest moments. and also some great tweets. former head quiers for the "late show" join us with stories you've never heard before.

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with us we have congressman adam kinzinger. also with us author of the national best seller the forever war, what an extraordinary book dexter filkins. in the latest issue ofxter reflects on the recent gains by isis in iraq. we had to hear obviously in 2005 2006 talked about how horrible things were in iraq. you came back in 2008 2009, said things were so positive, you didn't even recognize the praise place. talk about the latest chapter. >> feels like 2005 again.

i made several trips there last year and really it was like a time warn every morning the sound of car bombs before 9:00 a.m. shaking your bed. so really there was this period it now looks like a brief period, a couple years, where things had tablestabilized. now it's all coming apart. >> what's at the heart of it, just shear sectarian violence? >> now it is. it's an artificial country. it was just lines in the sand that were drawn 100 years ago. and i think we're seeing that now. there is no sense of you know, i'm an iraqi. it's always i'm something else. assign a sunni or shiite or kurd. it's coming apart at the seams. we're trying to hold it together but what can we do from 30,000 feet up. >> what do americans need to understand about isis that they don't understand? >> i think everybody gets it.

they're bhadpad badded guys. but what do we do about it. short of going in there, which nobody wants to do i'm not sure there is much we can do. >> congressman, for five years on this show we would ask people they were talking about tripling the number of troops and doing more in afghanistan we would say why, why, why. and why are we there. and they would never talk about afghanistan. they would always talk about pakistan. and we would always say you can you're going to go into pakistan, you're not going to affect afghanistan. and we were right. so let's talk about iraq. everybody is oh, we have to retrain the iraq army. the iraq army can't be trained. we've tried for a decade. at the end ever the day, we don't effect -- i'm not calling for it, but let's be honest.ever the day, we don't effect -- i'm not calling for it, but let's be honest. if we want to chapgt gamenge the game,

we have to send american troops there. >> a lot of folks say let jor does an or saudi arabia do it. jordan i think they're good and understand what stability in the region means, they're the size of illinois without chicago. so like saying let illinois without the city of chicago destroy isis. i mean yeah i think it will take american leadership. nobody has said we need to send 150,000 troops back to iraq and sometimes you hear the president frame is like that. nobody said that. but what i think needs to happen is we'll have to get involved with more direct action. when i was in iraq, a lot of what i was involved in was like what we saw in syria, finding some of the high level folks, wrapping them up either capturing or killing them, and then using that person's cell phone or whatever to find ten more targets, get those ten and find another 100. it will be that robust intelligence and frankly it will get back to having to go to the basics of the surge which is

reconciliation between sunni and shia. and what i fear in ramadi if shia that lishmilitias, you'll probably see civil war in iraq. >> and that's where we are, dexter. again, i just want to say, i'm not calling for 100,000 troops in iraq. i am, though calling out people that talk about band aid approaches. i think the congressman is telling the truth. it's dirty. it's ugly. american lives will be cost. it will be another trillion dollars. there aren't a lot of good options for us. >> no. and as long as the war in syria is going on, the war in iraq is going to keep going. we can't solve one without the other. and that's years away. syrian war is years away. >> when you say years away -- >> nothing is settled. they will fight it out. i think the government's forces are starting to weaken because

really it will come down to manpower for them. item basically religious minority. >> i keep hearing bits and piece as from there that assad days are numbered. do you agree with that? >> i don't know if they're numbered because he has the russians on his side. and they're all in. but i think longer term he can't survive. >> i want to add to this. dexter is absolutely right. i think syria is the key to this. about abashar al assad is the kinincubator of isis. he created the environment where they're flourishing. there has to be a political solution and frankly, the days of a political solution were right up until frankly we failed to enforce our own red line and it was after that that we've never heard a real serious discussion about bashar al assad going. >> congressman, what do we do after assad's gone?

talk to most foreign policy advisers behind the scene, hey, if you'll have saddam hussein back, would you take them? they would take him. >> at the end of the day, there are less and less good options as time goes on. but you assad will never regain control of his entire country. there is no way assad regains roll in syria. the eastern part of syria and parts that we saw as lawless now will always remain lawless until the people of syria frankly say we don't want to live under the thumb of isis we also want freedom. syrian people are pretty moderate at heart. so i think to write-off that country as somehow unable to govern itself is in-correctincorrect. they're a little different situation. >> i had a friend tell me before all this blew up five years ago, you know what we ought to do? fly to jordan and drive up to

damascus. are you crazy, man? he goes, no they're moderate they love americans. you see a bunch of old american cars. they stop you on the street. they love you. that is one of the great tragedies, that there were actually people there that we could have struck a deal with. >> they just got a bad leader who doesn't look like he wants to go thir anywhere. what is your sense of the iraqi army? >> if you could retrain them, that would be the solution to everything. just put the army back in place and we get out. and that was the plan as you said ten years ago and we spent billions of dollars. when isis went in to iraq in june last year, iraqi army disintegrated. absolutely came apart. they ran en masse. you can see photographs and videos of them running. >> what did they do in 1991? they disintegrated. in 2003? they disintegrated.

they ---it goes back to what you say. it's not a real country. >> no one is willing to die for this thing called iraq.it's not a real country. >> no one is willing to die for this thing called iraq.say. it's not a real country. >> no one is willing to die for this thing called iraq. maybe what the shiites believe in ob in. >> i remember giving a talk in 2001 right after 9/11 and in northwest florida, had contempt for new york. the biggest line was i love new york. the place jumped to their feet. we were all crying. we were all miles per hours s americans in that moment. that doesn't exist this iraq. >> oh, godgod, no. they put the iraqi army in ramadi and isis comes moving in under the cover of a dust storm. and they're running out of town so fast.

the iraqi army came apart once again. >> dexter, as always, thanks for being with us. hope you can come back very soon. congressman, loved having you hooer. would love to have you back. >> it was great. thank you. coming up next the time writers almost killed the late night star. they will tell us about that. it happens. they will take a trip down memory lane from their 14 years as letterman's head writers. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too.

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our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. letterman is retiring. >> you're just kidding right? thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. welcome to the "late show." i want to tell you one thing. i'll be honest with you, it's beginning to look like i'm not going to get "the tonight show." >> all right. joining us now is justin -- you

take it. go ahead. >> justin and eric? >> no that's fine. fantastic. >> justin and eric spent 14 years as letterman's head writers. >> amazing to have you both on. >> we told that story once and now that's our reputation, that we almost killed david letterman letterman. >> tell it again. so how was it for you to watch last night? you were there for so long. >> we were there for so long. we left about a year ago. and so we started off as fans as kids. i was food poisoned at 13 and i went to my father who was a physician and hoping for medical help and he would make me feel better. >> where is this story going? >> nowhere. >> well, the guy before us talked about isis and now you have us coming out here. >> a nice warm-up. >> hold on, hold on. uhe cleared for landing. finish your story. >> so my dad put down a are the possible tv and walked out of

the room so he could question back to sleep and i saw one of the first leather mans st lettermans ever. so we started off as fans. worked there for 17 years and then watched as fans. >> you were old enough to remember how subversive it was in '82, '38 '83, 8 # '4. they had the boot leg show. it's unbelievable. >> they did a show on a plane, a show in the lobby, a show where the screen rotated. >> wrer the "good morning america" thing where they had the blind and it was the most inane stuff. >> they did a show which made it look like they were in japan. they strapped a camera to a monkey. if they strap a camera to a monkey monkey i'm in. >> man under the stairs. chris elliott the. great stuff. >> you don't need us for any of

this. >> so what do you think about dave signing off? >> i want to know how they almost killed them. >> there was a prop piece and like rejected by the fda where dave would say, hey look here is something that is no longer allowed on shelves, king ford's edible charcoal briquettet. we always make sure to ask the the question afterwards -- >> if dave wants to eat that is it fine. oh yeah it's fine. sbl and they said yes and it was fine. and then on the air, he took a bite and people came running back to the production shack where we were and they were like, oh no, no there is too much food coloring on that, he'll die. >> and his whole mouth just turned completely black. he had like black hole in the middle of his head. he opened his mouth, no teeth. so they were completely, completely freaking out. and then the next product was

windex and was filled with green -- i'm sorry, with blue gatorade. halfway halfway through he realized key still taste the real windex. somebody gave him a countryup of water to wash his mouth out, and it was hydrogen peroxide. >> and you still had a job? there have been so many remembrances the last couple week. who he was, what he meant. you worked so closely with him. how do you describe the genius of david letterman? >> what i think about is being in meetings with him and sometimes meetings go on and on and sometimes he would just make jokes to try to make us laugh and that's how i think of david letterman, kind of like the kids in the bag of the high school class like making little comments on the side.

and like he's the quickest funniest guy. and he remembers everything. like there was something where like back in 2000 or something justin told him to watch the x files. >> eric is in to sports. i'm into sci-fi. if you have any star trek question please, i'm ready. >> i see. >> you're killing the story. so justin gave him a videotape of the x files and dave was like i'm not going to watch. and justin said given it a shot. sgr and it was a funny episode, too. >> then like five years later, live goes on you don't think about anything. how was your weekend. and out of nowhere, he says it was good, i finally got to that x files video cassette. and you're like, oh high god,my god, he remembers everything. >> every story. >> what was your most emotional moment with him? >> our dad was on vacation in florida. and again, like it's all screwing around. and we would all have a great time.

eric eric has one daughter, i have two. dave is the first to call when you have a baby. but our dad who is a doctor and health nut, while on vacation he had a heart problem so we got the on a plane and we were flying down. dave was on the phone can us, are you all right, check with me as soon as you land. and they had to do surgery on our father. everything was fine. but dave was like i have my team of heart surgeons that saved my life. if i can help you, let me know. he said check in with me every morning, every evening. don't worry about work or thinking. and it was a pretty much a month of our father recovering but checking in with dave. and he said forget about the show, what's going on with your dad. stuff like that is pretty amazing. he held both of our kids when they were like a month old. we didn't ask him to. just walked in and grabbed our kid. you're kids would come to visit and -- >> kind of like jesus touching.

it was a big moment. >> it was a big moment. our kids would come into work. man the cameras and go walking around. my youngest, she's eight now she would just walk in on dave's office and say hi. other staffers would be like oh my god, why is she doing that. but -- >> can they pitch some things while they're in there? >> the side of letterman you never hear about. congratulations to you on a great run at letterman too. eric and justin. >> next time you see me with an did dering around the town in sweat, don't say anything. >> i saw him wandering around in a blue sweat the suit. >> it wasn't a blue sweat suit. you're making it sound like bill parcells velour. >> i was like should i take a picture? no. it was too sad. >> guys thanks.

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this weekend -- >> for those of you at home -- >> i got this. you really hear something different? >> yes. >> all right. this weekend is memorial day weekend, it is the unofficial

start of summer. >> you know it has "time" magazine asking who killed summer vacation. we have the editor with us. i love this cover. and every summer my dad would get us in the car and we would drive to california where his parts lived. and we were in the car for two weeks seeing america. doesn't happen anymore. >> two weeks doesn't happen. and the whole family together is much harder to do. it's expensive and the school year is longer and preseason starts sooner. >> so there is no summer. >> there is a summer but even when -- we found just in the last decade, americans have basically given back to their employers a week of vacation. they aren't taking it. it isn't that most aren't allowed to. they are just choosing for many reasons not to. and when they do go on vacation they don't stop working. a majority are still e-mailing or still taking calls from work or performing some kind of task so that what vacation they're taking almost doesn't count. >> 61% of americans who take time off 38% plan to e-mail,

32% will access work documents, 30% make business calls 24% plan to text. >> so when you go away do, you unplug or are you still -- >> i'm working. >> by the way, mika works all the time. >> i have to stop. >> i have learned over the past couple years, and i think to be honest with you you, i'm a couple years older than you, by the time you're 52 you'll be doing it. i've learned. and one thing also i'm taking it back. we eat around the table which nobody does anymore. every night. and we take kids on vacation. and what i found is especially for kate she waits all year for that time away, you though. it's sort of something we share. >> that's what you remember. >> and now companies are realizing it is a mental health issue, it's a physical health issue, it's a productivity issue. so the companies that are sort of now in the leading edge of trying to take vacation back are

paying employees to take vacation. they will give poe fuss to the employees who actually take all the days that they're entitled to on the conditionfuss to the employees who actually take all the days that they're entitled to on the condition that they unplug. it isn't enough that you're not physically coming in. you actually have to stop working. >> that is such a great idea. >> how important is that for the creative class? there is a guy that i know that runs an advertising place. he's got a guy who he says is a little crazy. he knows he's going to give him a month off every year. just a month. take off. don't talk. don't work. do whatever you want to do. and he says i guess more out of him from 11 months. >> i didn't realize how unproductive i had become until i came back from a vacation. this is what a mind feels like? something that is on everybody's mind, there is a big controversy that they're not letting helicopters go into east hampton this summer and that's affecting a lot of people. >> we heard that in the iowa

focus groups. >> mark halhalperin, can did you go on vacations? >> oh, yeah. i'm amazed the number of people i'm asking what are you doing this summer and they say no plans. >> so many people especially the economy is rewiring itself if you're also, you know ubering at night or doing some sort of freelance moon lighting work on top of your job, then whatever time off you have from your day job is just an opportunity to spend more time at your night job and build up the college fund or pay down your mortgage. so it's hard for people to actually say there is no work i need to do for this period of time. >> as a woman, it feels like maybe it applies to women more but maybe not. >> why are americans skipping vacations? 40% heavy workload upon return,

5% nobody else can do my work, 33%, i can't afford to take it 22% don't want to be -- >> that 35% nobody -- so many people have such a sense of self importance. if they're not around it's not happening. and this entitled overinflated sense of self generation. >> what people don't understand and mika will remember this this is so important like donny said, so important to figure out what you're not doing at work when you get away. i remember coming back last year from vacation i remember august 1, mika and i had been waking up since 2007 at 3:30 4:00 in the morning. and it took me getting away to go, oh my god, i've let it go. i have stopped -- and regardless of everything else like since august 1, and i remember i have had a rededication to waking up earlier, working harder. because i got away to see what i had missed by being burned out. >> but this is the important thing to realize is that this is

often something we have done to ourselves. of saying i just-will-it's too much work waiting for me when i come back or i'm worried that i will be viewed as, you know replaceable. >> we have to go but this is important. i see it with your teenaged daughters all the time. our kids have so much stuff going on now. it's not like my dad that said get in the car, we're going to two weeks. >> you can't. >> they're booked. >> what are you doing in the summer? >> i'm going to be working. but this is making me revisit that. >> we're doing a family bike trip across spain. of course i say that word. >> the rain in spain falls main pli mainly in the planeplanes. >> no devices. all right. new issue is out now. nancy gibbs, very good.

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[ laughter ] >> you're just kidding, right? thank you very much ladies and gentlemen, welcome to "the late show." i want to tell you one thing, i'll be honest with you, it's beginning to look like i'm not going to get the "tonight show." [ applause ] i want to thank my own family my wife regina and my son harry. [ applause ] seriously, just thank you for being my family. i love you both and really nothing else matters, does it? [ applause ] >> the people who watch this show there's nothing i can do to ever repay you. thank you for everything you've given me everything and thank you again. [ applause ] all right, that's pretty much all i got. the only thing i have left to do for the last time on a television program thank you

and good night. [ cheers and applause ] >> david letterman retiring and willie geist, they're really -- there are no words. you always talk about paul mccartney being like my big iconic guy. the other guy is letterman. i mean he's just -- he's been everything. he's been here. he's like carson was for another generation. he was for us. >> yeah. and for i think a couple generations, probably. i was too young to stay enough late enough to watch the 80s on the nbc show. >> that makes me feel really old. he was in college -- >> well even in high school it was 12:30 at night. then i got to college and he moves to cbs in '393' '93 and i started to realize what my dad and my older friends were talking about. and i thought last night, although it wasn't a big explosive emotional finale it was perfect for him.

there was no crying. there was no real sentimentality. he thanked all the right people. had great came owe appearances. it was very funny. the top ten was great. it was perfect dave. i thought it was a great way to go out. >> i think, mark halperin, the thing that was so shocking about letterman when he first exploded on to the scene was that it almost -- it was almost like "mad men." remember when "mad men" first came out you're like "oh, my gosh, they do a movie every week. movie quality every week." i remember early on going "it's kind of like you get "saturday night live" every single night." he did -- especially at the beginning he did some very subversive things for television. >> subversive things but also a great interviewer. great booker and great interviewer and it made the show, an hour-long show usually night shows you watch at the top and that's it but great and

consistent and one of the top five or seven comedy figures in american history. >> without a doubt. >> and we've got some of the top ten list where he brought his best buddies being to read the list. check it out. >> top ten things i've always wanted to say to dave. number ten, alec baldwin. >> of all the talk shows, yours is most geographically convenient to my home. [ laughter ] >> thank you, alec. >> dave did you know that you wear the same colon as moammar ghadafi? >> yes, barbara. >> your extensive plastic surgery was a necessity. and a mistake. [ laughter ] >> dave i have no idea what i'll do when you go off the air. you know i just thought of something. i'll be fine. [ laughter ] >> thank you, jerry. >> honestly, dave, i've always found you to be a bit of an overactor. [ laughter ]

>> number five chris rock. >> i'm just glad your show is being given to another white guy. [ laughter ] >> thanks for letting me take part in another hugely disappointing series finale. >> dave, you are to comedy what i am to comedy. [ laughter ] >> thanks for finally proving men can be funny. >> dave, i'll never have the money i owe you. >> oh no. >> very nice. >> wow, you a letterman fan? >> i am. i've never been more nervous -- >> than when you went on letterman? >> that was the worst day of my life -- and the best. what's funny? >> you were deemed a young lucille ball. >> i was not.

>> we have to tell people -- >> i just got through it. >> we have to tell people. >> i've heard people -- even jimmy fallon said that the other night. he said on jimmy fallon you were comfortable doing what you do you go on dave it's a nerve-wracking experience. bring your a game. >> what? >> your a game. you have to bring your a game. should we -- >> no i'm going to do the news. >> what do you think willie? i think we have to say. >> it's up to you. >> do you think it's up to mika? >> no i will do the news. >> no you will not. >> please let it be for me. >> oh my god, it's worse than i ever imagined. okay, oh, my god, [ laughter ] it's just awful. jen's crying. wilmer in the hack was howling. he said it was awful. mika, you have to stop talking. >> i did the tease. >> no it was horrible. we all laughed.

okay, you have to explain to everybody. we have to ask -- >> there's an adjustment period sir. >> i hope there's an adjustment period or she's going back to -- >> look at the first three words. they're all ss. >> okay, we have to explain now. we're on live tv. >> i'm good. >> you can't say isis. >> i can, isis. >> no say isis three times. >> i'm fine. >> explain to them. >> why aren't you putting the news in the prompter? halperin? >> what did you do yesterday? >> i got braces. >> for the first time? >> uh-huh. >> and there's a little adjustment period. live on television. you sound like cindy brady. >> it's not that bad, is it? >> it's really kind of bad. >> is it really? you can tell? >> alex, what do you think? >> can you tell? >> you're the ep take control. >> halperin why don't you toss to heilemann's focus group in

iowa? >> there's an adjustment period. i didn't even think you need theed -- needed braces. >> it's my bite. it's bad. >> well now it's your lisp. [ laughter ] so tell me about the focus group. [ laughter ] >>. [ lisping ] yesterday we did the democratic focus group. >> that's awful. >> they're on the inside you can't see them. makes it harder to talk but i'll be fine. i'm getting better see? >> no it's getting worse. it's getting worse. >> so republicans? >> we did a republican focus group that john heilemann led and we asked them about jeb bush and about the big republican field. >> and what did you find? >> we found big surprises about how people feel in general problems they have with jebdo you look at this whole republican field 12 or 14 or 15

or nine do you think that's a good field? a good group to choose from? >> i'm a little overwhelmed. it's like whoo lots of people. >> hopefully somebody strong will rise to the top and i think that's scary with the big wide open field. i don't see a good strong candidate. >> last week in the media there was a lot of discussion about jeb bush and his views of the iraq war, the war his brother started and i just want to know how much you have heard about that. >> i wish he would have and he should have known that question was coming. >> he was in a hard place and those real good politician cans shuffle ball change out of those places like that. >> is there anybody in this room who thinks common core is important and b who knows about jeb bush's position and is bothered by it? nobody in the room? >> i have to -- what is common core? i guess i don't understand that. >> in terms of jeb bush have you heard about his positions on immigration? do they bother you? >> i've not heard his position on it but --

>> if it's not any specific things that bother you, why is there nobody in the room who's either more enthusiastic or more curious about him? >> it goes back to his name. we talk about somebody who's electable and he could be the best candidate but i just don't know if with the -- if he is electable or not. >> i think our country is a country and it should be run by -- like a business and i don't think it should be run like a family business and that's what's going to happen if we get him in. >> i don't know if he can beat hillary because it goes back to bush versus clinton. >> i think that's exactly right. >> what's going to happen? that scares me? i don't have a problem with him or learning about him but i am worried. >> wow. okay. that's really interesting that they don't know cus on common core. >> never heard of it. >> focus on iraq. that's for activists. >> or immigration. >> immigration, they don't know cus closely. the rank-and-file people that vote republican primaries are

people that work all day and get home and oethey don't sit and listen to the talk about the specifics. >> jeb bush himself will tell you from the beginning this has been his focus. he's known this was a problem but this group, again, these are independent -- not independent but unaligned voters voters looking for candidates. you heard in the beginning of the clip that they don't like the big feel. they're worried it will take a while to sort through but their interest in jeb bush is low. they like marco rubio, they like scott walker they like carly fiorina. but they don't want another bush. >> you know, that's what's so interesting. we were at cpac together. we've been to the new hampshire event together. we go to all of these events and nobody's running around with their hair on fire going "i just hate jeb bush." it's worse than that. nobody's talking about him. i have yet to find the first person in all the republican events i've been to to come up

to me and go "i'm here for jeb." it's non-existent. you have washington types that are there running around him. you have -- it's not a knock on him, maybe he'll campaign and build it up. you hear that about hillary on the democratic side. they're excited about hillary on the democratic side. have you -- let me just ask you. have you ever had anybody come up to you in any of these republican events saying "i came here i drove here specifically for jeb"? you hear about everybody else. have you ever heard about it for jeb? >> no passion and not top of mind. this group the voices were loud and clear. they're not interested in another bush. they just think, you know i think jeb bush is certainly amongst the strongest general election candidates. you heard one of those people express the sentiment common in the group. they don't want to send a bush into battle against hillary clinton even though you could argue by metrics he'd be the strongest. the best thing you can say about what they said about jeb bush is

he's got a lot of work to do. he's got a lot of work to do. >> jeb was in new hampshire talking about his last name. he was pretty strong on that. he said look i love my brother, i love my dad, i love my mom, i'm a bush people are going to have to get over it. that was his quote, get over it. >> you know i do think he would be the strongest general election candidate. i think he would -- and i think he'd be a great president. that's me personally. but, boy, i don't see how he gets through a primary process where people just -- again, it's not anger, they just don't connect to him. >> the other thing you can say, and, again, you heard it at the top of the clip we played there, the field is wide open. there's support for various people but, you know, if it's a 16-candidate field, there's some vocal support for ten of them in iowa amongst that group and that means, again, i think it gives him an opportunity in a big field to make an impression. >> why does the bush name mika hurt so much in the republican

field but the clinton name doesn't hurt in the democratic field? >> you know it sounds like the problems that they have with the bush name actually keeps them from voting while the problems with hillary clinton doesn't keep them from voting. it's tough. you don't hear -- >> well said. >> does that make sense. >> you have another focus group where i want to hear because there's some with problems but what we heard yesterday it sounded like they're just going to vote for her. you know what i mean? >> we'll listen a little bit more of the democratic focus group. they think hillary clinton and bill clinton play by their own rules but they sort of -- >> but they'll vote for her. >> they like that. but they have concerns about the secrecy. they have some concerns that another scandal could be her undoing. >> she should talk more about benghazi. she completely hid behind it and just didn't discuss it. and i would like to see the next president be more forthright and be more outspoken and be like

listen, we made a mistake, this is where we went wrong and completely own it. but we don't have politicians like that anymore. >> what's the thing that gives you the most concern about her as a potential party? >> i guess it would be her honesty. like you were talking about benghazi, the whole e-mail thing that she supposedly deleted the e-mails and -- she's just very closed closeted person and i think that's probably one of her downsides. >> charlie, it was reported the other day, you may have heard, that the clintons bill and hillary together, have made $30 million in speaking fees some of overseas interests. does that trouble you at all? >> no it doesn't. it doesn't. i mean of course they have. he's an ex-president. they make a lot of money. so do the bushes. so do a lot of politicians. what i feel a little bit -- would i feel a little bit more

comfortable if they had more common-person's experience? yes, i would. but is it in the top 30 of issues that i care about? no, it's really not that important to me. >> i mean it seems pretty silly to me that she thought, you know using a gmail account was acceptable for diplomatic-related stuff. but really i don't care. i mean i've got e-mails i don't want people reading. not because there's bad stuff in there but that's my personal stuff. >> mark, i saw that whole focus group on your show. that group was not bothered by the scandals much at all. not enough to not vote for her. >> any bother they have they put aside. >> and the other thing which i think we saw in the jeb bush side with heilemann as well is that substance wasn't at the core of the way they feel. so they didn't know about immigration and common core with jeb bush and they didn't know about hillary clinton's foreign policy experience as secretary of state. it was more personality based at

this point in the process. >> the one thing they do like about her on substance is that she's moved to the left. they like the fact that people like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have forced her toe go more to the left. they'd like a progressive president but they also want to hold the white house. and, again the democrats in the group are so determined to win and they don't see another way to win the white house, keep the white house besides her. still ahead on "morning joe," what's driving the day on wall street. we have lee gallagher with "fortune's" new story on america's trillion-dollar food fight. in just a few minutes, mika you'll love this. >> i love this. >> louisiana governor bobby jindal is wading into a fight that burned one of his republican colleagues. why he's pushing if the same type of religious freedom protections that caused big headaches in indiana. you should have read that piece because there were no ss in it. you're watching "morning joe." you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you're like "nothing can replace brad!" then liberty mutual calls.

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>> you want to know what i'm going to do now that i'm retired? by god i hope to become the new face of scientology. [ laughter ] here's some statistics. paul and i have been doing this show 33 years. that's 6,028 shows. that's a lot of shows. [ applause ] earlier today we got a call from steven hawking. [ laughter ] and he bless his heart, had done the math because he's a gene jous and stuff. and 6,028 shows and he ran the numbers and he said it works out to about eight minutes of laughter. [ laughter ] >> we've got to media table here. ed i sound just fine. >> willie bring this in.

>> i've got it. he's a reporter for the "los angeles times," steven be tag leo. >> i thought it was terrific. if you loved dave you got exactly what you loved about him. it didn't turn into a sentimental show biz powwow. it was him still making fun of himself after all these years. i thought how can you go wrong when you open with jerry ford saying "our long national nightmare is over." >> where do you rank dave among the late night hosts? >> you can't really rank dave high enough because he was such an influencer. >> right. >> every guy that's on now thanks him, cites him as an inspiration. >> category of his own. >> he opened up the door for them. he showed what was possible. the talk show was sort of a --

sort of the phony show business construct and he blew it apart and allowed people to be themselves and bring different things to it. and plus it -- you have to remember, there was -- before dave came on there was nothing on after 12:30 in the morning. he had the venue to himself for so long which is why we know him so well. and it's -- it proliferated from that point on. >> you know what's so interesting, donnie is that obviously carson was his hero. carson was everybody's. carson was just unbelievable. i've got no words for him, either. i mean every night you would see johnny carson and that's obviously who inspired him and yet at the end of dave's career david letterman was far more influential on the dmeedians around him than johnny carson.

that doesn't mean he was the greatest. but johnny carson didn't change the way young comedians addressed audiences the way dave did. >> go from carson, letterman, to today, the kimmels and the fallons, whereas carson was the face of the greatest generation letterman was the ultimate face of the boomers now we have the faces of gen-xs. with late t late night program is not built for this box. it's built for us to go on youtube and what not because -- people will never watch late night the way we watched it. that genre is gone. basically the way people consume are in little chunks and bits and that's why it's not as talk oriented. that's why it's more bit oriented. so this is the last of a generation. it's also interesting, you looked at the people that delivered the top ten list, the average age was probably about 50. so letterman is the voice of this -- >> and what was so interesting willie was when letterman came on in the early '80s there

was -- everybody used to stay up and they would watch carson. once letterman came on in the '80s you heard it time and time again. i heard it from my parents, i heard it from my friends parents, i heard it from everybody "i don't get him." they just didn't get -- it was new. >> and they were forced to confront him because, again, there was -- there was no competition. he really had -- if you wanted to watch television at 12:30, that was what was there unless it was an old movie on another channel. so it was interesting in that sort of it being -- to have him there there, that captive audience, it made him immediately polarizing. coming up on "morning joe," governor bobby jindal says he's exploring -- >> coming up on "morning joe," bobby jindal is exploring a presidential run but it seems like he's made up his mind. we have the louisiana governor next, he does not have adult braces on, he can pronounce his "ss" and he joins us with his

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time now for business before the bell. i've lost all my confidence. i really have. i have -- >> you're building it from the ground up. >> i'm learning to speak again. business before the bell now. what u.s. attorney general loretta lynch -- stop -- is calling "illegal and brazen

display of collusion among some of the world's biggest banks. officials say the scheme stretches from the u.s. to europe and here to explain, cnbc's brian sullivan and "fortune" magazine's assistant managing editor lee gallagher. how did i do? >> great. >> what's the story here? front page of the "new york times." >> basically a bunch of traders, j.p. morgan chase citigroup, barclays and others conspired to manipulate foreign exchange rates. we're talking about currency interest rates. the e-mails are damming. at one point one of the barclays traders said "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. requests to so they agreed to settle for $5.5 billion. >> how many people were involved? >> not a lot. they called themselves the cartel. they'd get in this super secret chat room. they used coded language. i know you guys have talked about e-mail and servers and stuff. this was about as stupid and egregious as you could get. >> how did they get caught?

>> when you manipulate interest rates, customers are going to say "what the hell" is going on here? i'm all fired up with language. i apologize. they figured it out. >> lee, you would think the culture has changed. >> this goes to the cultural issues. we have regulated in the wake of the financial crisis, there are new rules about how much banks can leverage but the next problem is always going to come from something not related to the hole you just fixed and there is a culture of he who makes the most or she, money wins. and so there is -- >> how can there be such complaints about overregulations when this type of thing happens? when it's so blatant like this? at some point the culture does have to change. how does that happen brian? maybe more women in finance? >> maybe so. >> because we play more by the rules. >> you also tend to have better long-term returns in the stock market, by the way. female money managers. >> i'm dead serious. >> i'm a dude so i don't want to throw my own kind under the bus but we're match chief of staff. and -- >> but what is the core of the

problem? >> i'll tell you why. because how you get paid almost nobody on wall street makes more than $250,000 a year in income. that's sort of the -- a salary cap for most managing directors. every dime they make else the millions they make else comes from bonus. so the bonus is incentivized by profit. how do you make big profit? by taking big risk. >> how does that turn you into a cheater? >> that's a thing. a lot of the egregious behavior which was just greed, which is not illegal. this is flat out cheating. >> were there any women involved? >> not that i know of. >> i'm sere yourself. i'm sorry, i'm going out on a limb. >> one of the barclays traders wrote "the less competition the better." >> we're going to look into this. can you come back with the whole angle of gender on this? i'm serious. >> people have said if there was a room in the root when the financial crisis -- things would have worked out differently. christine lagarde has said this. >> a bunch of cheaters. i don't want to shortchange the cover of "fortune" magazine and

i'm more confident in i cover my face when i'm talking with my adult braces. lee, what's the story here. >> our cover story is a fascinating story, the war on big food. it's about this -- in 40 years the food industry has never seen anything like this. we know there's a big trend to be organic, healthy, fresh, natural. which is different from the last healthy trend. you are increasingly going to be in the minority. sales of canned soup at dinner time are down 18%. so companies like campbell are trying to shift their center of gravity and they are buying up all these niche organic brounds. we have one source in the story who calls them -- these big food companies like melting icebergs. so this is how big the change is. >> what a challenge for the companies. >> but they're adapting. they're buying up companies. campbell talks about how it cooks and preserves instead of manufactures and processes. it's been very innovative. >> as you talked about, mika with regulation on the banks, the regulation of the food

industry, keep in mind when somebody says "natural" on the cover it means nothing. >> that's true. all marketing. >> everything is theoretically natural. every protein, every virus is a natural occurring being. but all natural, that doesn't mean squat. >> true. so one of the sources in the story says a lot of the companies are putting the barn on the package. it's almost like barn washing with. natural washing. about the messaging. >> i will still have my campbell's soup. >> is that like green washing? barn washing. >> cnbc's brian sullivan thank you. why are you guys laughing? >> we're having fun. >> i'm going to go wash a barn. >> not at me. leigh gallagher, stay with us. jeb bush, mike huckabee lindsey graham all skipping the iowa poll, the straw poll. will governor bobby jindal be in? he joins "morning joe" next. cure the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about.

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>> i've got a message for the hollywood elite, the liberal media, the president of the united states and secretary clinton. i'll say it slowly so they can understand it. the united states of america did not create religious liberty. religious liberty created the united states of america and it is the reason we are here today. >> that was louisiana governor bobby jindal in iowa this past weekend where he kept exploring a republican bid for president and governor jindal joins us now. governor, thank you so much for being with us. are you running? >> joe, thank you for having me. first things first, we'll talk about 2016. i want to go on the record saying mika i think you sound great, don't let these guys give you a hard time about the braces. >> oh, thank you. >> listen to that. he is running because only a guy wanting your vote would say that this morning. >> no it's just adult braces everyone gets them once in a while. they just sound different but i sound fine right, governor. >> go ahead, governor.

>> that's right. and look when i was growing up we didn't have these choices. you had one color, they were big clunky metal braces. my little girl had braces recently. she's had them taken off but they had all kinds of different colors. they can change the wires, they can add different colors. and the kids don't want the invisible kind they want the glow in the dark kinds, the purple colors one week, the green colors the next week. a lot has changed in orthodonture. dote let them give you a hard time. >> thank you, mine are on the inside which is impressive isn't it? we digress. >> it's very impressive until you try to talk. so governor what does it look like as far as your timeline for making a decision whether you're going to run or not? >> joe, we've got a session that ends june 11. i'll make my decision shortly after that. i tell you why i think this is the most important election. i know politicians always say that. but i think this is the most important election of my lifetime. president obama is in the process of turning the american dream into the european

nightmare. instead of opportunity and growth he's making it about government dependence, government spending, government taxing and government borrowing. we need a big change in d.c. not an incremental change in d.c. >> mark halperin governor my partnership with the "des moines register" obligates me to ask, donald trump says he'll billion in the straw poll mike huckabee said he won't, jeb bush won't, if you run for president, will you participate in the summer's straw poll? >> mark we haven't decided if we're going to be candidates. if i decide to run i'll spend a lot of time there. we'll make a decision about the straw poll after we decide whether we're running or not. >> we're showing a picture of the republican field. yesterday fox news announced it was going to let the top ten candidates in polling participate in their debates. we also have republicans talking about limiting the number of debates. do you think that's a good idea? >> a couple of things. a lot of republican leaders like to complain or moan about how many candidates we have running. i think that's a great thing. the i think the more the better.

i think the democrats are making a mistake simply by crowning hillary. i know that there are some that want to clear the field or think this is too messy. democracy is messy. i think the voters want to make their own decision. any sense that donor or party leaders are trying to hand pick a candidate i think would backfire. i think competition is a great thing. >> how do you great up there that competition? yes, competition is a great thing if you're talking about three or four candidates. we're talking about 20. how do you break through that crowd? >> one of the things i've done differently from anybody else run organize thinking about running. we spent the last year and a half through america next, a not for profit coming up with detailed ideas on health care on energy on education, on foreign policy. itch think we need the next president to do something, not just somebody who wants to be somebody. as one example, i'm the only potential candidate with a detailed plan, how do you repeal and replace obamacare? every republican talks about it we've written down how to do it.

if i were to run that would set me apart. we have specific ideas. this election will be about ideas, not personalities. it's not enough to give a great one liner or speech or tv ad. we need a candidate ready to govern, that has a proven track record. >> go ahead, mark halperin i'll toss to you, but isn't that being more against something as opposed to for something? >> let's let bobby answer that since you asked that. go ahead, bobby. it's been a criticism of republicans that -- and from republicans themselves you can't just be against something. you have to be for something. answer that criticism. >> absolutely. and look i famously said in 2012 we can't be the party of no we can't be the stupid party after the 2012 election. that's right. that's what i my a plans aren't a reaction to president obama but for example we have a detailed plan on health care. how do we lower cost for the average american trying to buy and afford health care? on education, how do we use school choice to help every child, even those growing up in

poor neighborhoods to escape failing schools and get a great education. on energy independence how do we move beyond slogans and embrace the shale revolution alternative and renewable energies and how do we reform the epa to recreate a great strong manufacturing sector. on a host of things, on defense, how do we reinvest in our military so we're not hollowing out our military. we put specific ideas of how to move the country forward. one big danger for republicans, we can't simply run against obama, as unpopular he is with republican voters, this election has to be about the future. >> governor how much intellectual sympathy do you have for rand paul's criticism of the patriot act and the obama administration surveillance policies? >> i'm very simp theticympathetic. we need the tools to hunt down terrorists and protect ourselves from them. where we need to draw the line is this mass collection of data of innocent meshesamericans.

our agencies should be able to get a court order to seek those that want to do us harm, but absolutely this is a good debate to have and we can't simply give powers to the federal government that weren't really intended in the original patriot act. so let's not harm our ability to get terrorists but let's draw the line at just this mass collection of data on innocent americans. >> governor bobby jindal thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it and appreciate your generosity toward mika. >> aww. very nice. >> mika keep swinging. thank you, guys. coming up next this is incredible. a jewelry heist foiled. police say the would be victims turned the tables on the thieves. we have the surveillance video for you that you won't want to miss. be right back. keep it right here on "morning joe." plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed, call, data, and reliability.

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dramatic video of a family of jewelers turning the tables on would be thieves. this happened late last month near atlanta after a jewelry show at a hotel. the entire incident caught by a security camera. the family is loading their car up while the suspects run out of an suv. one uses pepper spray and the other grabs the pham ryfamily's suitcases but the victims fight back and an elderly woman gets the jewelry back. the suspects fled after jumping back into their car. police are trying to find them. look, they ripped his shirt off. >> wow! unbelievable. >> i love it. okay, good for them. joining us now on the set

here at "morning joe," tony award winner michael severs restarring in the tony award nominated musical "fun home." take a look. >> i guess i'm older and it's harder when you're older to -- ♪ begin peeling plaster, sagging roof ♪ two missing stairs of buckled wall ♪ i'm fired up to do this ♪ good to have you, michael. it looks wonderful. it's described as a fresh daring new musical. tell us the daring part. >> i guess the daring part is telling a simple human story these days in a simple human way on broadway. it's based on the graphic novel memoir of growing up in a small pennsylvania town with -- she came out as a gay woman when she was in college, told her family and discovered that her father had been a closeted gay man his

whole life. she hoped that this would be a chance for them to kind of connect in a way they never had before and instead he died tragically four months later. and so the book was sort of her coming to terms with that and it's really about sort of exploring the mysteries that even the people closest to us are sometimes. >> and sometimes those come out later in life in the most surprised people are the people you've been living with the whole time. >> exactly. >> reporter: you say you chose -- even though the character you portray is a real life character, you chose not to research him. whatsy that? >> well, i started that way anyway. i started reading her book and it occurred to me this is allison's perspective, as objective as she was trying to be about him, and i needed to understand as much as i could bruce's idea of himself first. so i stopped reading the book for a bit in the beginning of rehearsals so i could kind of try to work my way intuitivefully to what bruce

might have been thinking himself. and i've since read the book and it's an extraordinary piece of writing and drawing. it's a graphic novel. so -- but that's different from the way i've approached a lot of things because i've played a lot of historical characters and i've done tons of research. this is a more -- it's made it more personal and immediate for me. >> everyone i've talked to who's seen "fun home" has an intense reaction to it. what is it that people are keying off of it? >> intense positive? intense negative? >> it has an impact on them. more than "cats," more than "mama mia." >> come on i loved "mama mia." come on. >> i meet people constantly on the street and in lobbies of builds who have come toll see the show and they well up sometimes when they start to talk about it. with all the specificity of

allison's particular story, it's a very universal experience. people find themselves connected in so many different ways to so many different characters that it stays with them in a personal way. everyone knows those difficulties of being in a family and trying to understand each other, trying to figure out how i came to be who i am because of the people who raised me and i think that's what happens in this show and something about -- we perform in the the round at circumstance until the square and it's very human scale. very, very simple emotional story. >> can you help me in the direction of albuquerque? >> i can't do that. >> you have quite a resume. you, of course won a tony. you considered ballet as a career. you were at yale, a member of the secret society skull and bones. >> i can't say. >> well, that's what the kids are telling us.

about most importantly, more importantly than skull and bones is the fact that you're now a member of the society called loose cattle. >> i luke it. >> that's your band. >> loose cat is my country band. my co-singer kimberly kay and i started this band as a way to -- well, we were a couple at the times and we thought well rather than fighting and arguing we'll sing country songs. and the relationship ended but the band has survived. >> i like the name. where'd you get the name? >> i was at hill country barbecue and -- singing with a friend of mine laura cantrell and there's a sign on the wall that was from a texas roadside that said "loose livestock." >> michael cerveris thank you. >> he's been called one of the most versatile men on broadway. i think another tony is in his future. >> "fun home" here in new york city. good luck at the tony awards on sunday, june 7. >> you said that very well.

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[ laughter and applause ] that's the problem. do you remember elian gonzalez? what a case that was. the kid in cuba and where should he go? the united states. well, he's been in cuba. you won't believe this. the kid is 21 years old. 21 years told now and yesterday he announced he wants to come back to america. now, my question to you is: should i take this personally? [ laughter ] welcome back. time to talk about what we learned today. mika, what did you learn today? >> that thereby more talking on stage tonight at union square barnes & noble at 6:00. join us. >> boy, your mouth is tired. i learned if you're going to get adult braces and you broadcast, get them on friday. >> i think i'm doing better. >> you were leigh, what are you doing? >> i learned mika is knowing her value and protecting herself and taking care of her beautiful

smile. >> talking can be filling. >> it can be filling. we'll see you tonight at union square with mika. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, "the rundown" starts now. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. first on "the rundown," a major break in an arson murder mystery in the nation's capital and now the manhunt. police have identified a suspect in the brutal murders of four people in a d.c. mansion. 34-year-old darren wint. the break in comes from dna found on pizza crusts found in the house. the murders happened in an upscale part of d.c. not far for where vice president joe biden lives. the four victims include a married couple their ten-year-old son and housekeeper. peter alexander is in the nation's capital. good morning. >> first the murders and