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for the past 30 plus years. that does it for "now with alex wagner" wagner". a manhunt is under way for the suspect in a quadruple homicide. police believe he could be in new york city. the oil spill in california appears much worse than expected. the first batch of hillary clinton's personal e-mails is out. first, for jeb bush "w" does not stand for winning. it is thursday may 21st and this is "now." >> i'm a little different than my dad and my brother. >> there's some confusion. >> i don't see how he gets through primary process. >> this has been all about his family. >> last night, jeb and i had some crabs with members of the 1970 miami dolphins. >> jeb has been very very reluctant and openly reluctant to criticize his brother.
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>> just seems like i was here yesterday. i was. kind of. >> don't feel compelled to criticize republican presidents. just so happens, the last two were my dad and my brother. >> fool me wunls. shame on you. can't get fooled again. once. shame on you. can't get fooled again. >> outlining the starkest differences, jeb bush draws fault lines on spending. after more than a week of rough and tumble responses on iraq governor bush was asked today to describe where there is a big difference with former president george w. bush. >> i think that in washington during my brother's time republicans spent too much money. i think he could have used the veto power. didn't have line item but could have brought budget discipline to washington, d.c. >> it's likely crafted to appeal
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to the tea party wing arose partly over two bailout packages in wake of the financial crisis one of which signed by president george w. bush. notably in fiscally conservative new hampshire, governor bush did not repeat of 2012 about one of the bailouts. the troubled asset relief package. >> for a short-term solution to a problem that had global implications, i think that was probably the right thing to do. >> then again, it is also worth noting that following the financial crisis starting in 2009, jeb bush worked as a paid advisor of barclays that received billions in bailout dollars. in familial challenges opened up about his odds of gaining the white house with wkxl radio in new hampshire. >> it's all about the past. if it's all about whether the bushes are going to break the adams family in terms of the number of people who used to be
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president. >> joining me glenn thrush national political reporter amy choezic and managing editor and author of "the fix" chris alizza. the adams dynasty. that's who george bush name checked today. i feel like his answers are not actually getting better. >> i first believe the reason my parents had one child is i could never be contradicted by any of my siblings. >> i too, my friend. >> i think that's a key component in their decision-making. i get it's a hard position to be in which is to say okay what things that your older brother do you think were bad? at the same time, like we're not running, it's not like a friendship thing. he would like to be president of the united states. yes, that's what happens when your brother and your father have been president. you're going to get questions like this. i think this was a far better
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response certainly than iraq and one of the points i'll make though, alex he oftentimes, jeb i'm talking about, often does the "i love my brother and my family" family, people just have to get used to it." that's not the issue. absolutely. >> but we really like them. >> we're talking about the policy decisions made certainly, especially by his brother, has no one -- no one is saying. you have to say your brother is bad to get elected? no one says that. but his brother did make policy decisions that had an impact on the country he is running to run. so i think it does matter at some level how he responds on iraq or spending or anything else. >> yes. i would guess, glen that going back to george bush's fiscal record is not the place you want to pivot to if you have a hard time on iraq. george bush's fiscal policies added $5 trillion to the deficit. >> have we paid for medicare part d?
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>> or the george bush tax cuts. this is not a good area if you're a republican. >> when he mentioned the adams family, am i the only one thinking morticia? i'm struck at how rough around the edges he is. i think he knows what he wants to say but there is a grand canyon between the thought and the articulation of the thought right now. and he's, you know, he's been out there a lot more interacting with people and reporters than hillary has and maybe that's why hillary isn't talking to reporters. see how he's doing off the cuff. i am struck at how rough a lot of these responses are and how much more trouble he's making for himself than he needs to. >> hillary clinton was married to former president blixt andill clinton and arguably a lot more involved than jeb bush was in george w. bush's administration and
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clearly, america has different feelings about the clint years than the bush years but even some of the bad parts or questionable parts of bill clinton's legacy doesn't seem or sound like the clintons are nearly as fraught as the bushes are. >> i think she's grappling with the same thing. i saw when she said the adverse effects of the crime bill i think you'll see when she talks about deregulation of wall street banks. she's had more distance from the clinton years, so she can say, well times have changed. new policies for a new era. i think every single time, she breaks with the policies. you're seeing it with trade and nafta. not only is she kind of grappling with a third term or obama but is she the third clinton term? >> can i say, chris, i mean bill clinton has given her an assist on that. if you talk about mass incarceration, bill clinton said in public you know, those policies have ended up being the wrong ones to pursue. one kind of hopes could george w. give his brother an assist or
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is that asking too much? >> well i'm sure he has privately. you know, i mean, honestly. george w. bush does not strike me like the kind of guy who says don't ever say anything terrible about me. in 2006 they'd ask him, all these candidates are running away from you. he said, i'm fine with that. my guess is he probably has said that privately and probably will say so publicly. i think though alex amy is right. i think there's a recency effect here. most people have an active memory of the george w. bush years. to the extent and have lived through them for the extent people have a memory of the clinton years, you know i think we're now at a 20 year removed, some of the things that people didn't like faded a little bit. the rose colored glasses effect is taking shape. i think that's a major reason why the jeb problem is harder at some level for him than the hillary problem.
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but the other person in his life was president more recently. >> glen i want to talk about one more republican potential since joe has not technically announced. that is chris christie. the star alleger, a paper that endorsed him back i believe when he was running for reelection called him delusional today. also said he would like the media to apologize to him for the bridge gate scandal and now we have news that the republican debates may call the herd specifically foxx will limit the first debate to ten announced candidates doing above, i'm sorry, the top ten candidates in the national polls. is it possible that chris christie will not even make it on to a debate stage this summer? >> i personally hope he will be on the debate stage. >> well many of us do my friend. >> it is unfathomable to me also unpronounceable to me looking at the last 18 months
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this guy has had. he was certainly going to be in the conversation, certainly had something to say. the notion he would make it into the dbtsebates, hard to believe. he's got something to say. a perspective. interesting to see a northeast republican up there on the stage articulating his position. just the fall you know, apart from rick perry last time i haven't seen a fall this precipitous. >> we are going to move on to the presumed democratic nominee. the first batch of hillary's benghazi e-mails are in the public domain. published the e-mails from the personal account while secretary of state. although this set of e-mails appears to confirm clinton's claim she did not receive classified e-mails on her private address, it raises other questions. some contained with the state department calls sensitive information and the documents released today show that clinton received at least two dozen briefing memos about libya from long-time clinton friend and
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former aid, cindy bloomen that will will frequently among state department officials without identifying who they came from. the state department is expected to release the rest of the batch of e-mails. 500 additional pages in the coming days. how concerned is this clinton campaign about sidney blumenthal and the criticisms of cronyism in the cycle? >> when she took questions from the press in iowa like these conflicting narratives in the campaign. the narrative of her talking to everyday americans about policies and then as soon as she finishes the discussion the questions were about the clinton foundation, the questions were about sidney blue thenmenthalblumenthal there's an alternative narrative this campaign is trying and this giant batch of e-mails is not helping matters. she defended her friendship with
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sid. she said she has many friends she plans to keep. it's a reminder of the friends, some complicated and some who, no more than sid, will eventually become controversies to deal with. >> it is worth noting glen. it's like the third or fourth paragraph. no disrmtespect but it looks like in the third or fourth paragraph, classified information was not circulated on her personal e-mail address. that seems to be a vindication but is it buried by the rest of the news? >> we talk about a cold set of e-mails anyway. these are the e-mails she chose to turn over. we'd have to take her at her word this represents the overall universe of this stuff. you know, i just think it is such for those of us who cover her, it is such a confirmtatory --
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>> is that a word? >> i don't think so. or you could goog thele it. it shows, is that better? the way she acts in the direct orbit. sid, has more nicknames than anybody else in clinton's world, right? she really seems to enjoy this kind of intel and the other thing that's incredibly amusing is watching jake sullivan on her staff at state gently push back on the bosses what really seems to be the boss's crazy friend. the dynamic internally -- >> poor jake sullivan is the takeaway. one last piece here. we were talking about george w. bush and sidney blumenthal. this election cycle is going to be all about relitigating the past and the predilections in terms of conspiracy theories about the other side. are there any undecided voters
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at this point? >> william faulkner. >> faulkner quote. >> it isn't even past. i feel like every day of my life is that. you know at some level, any race that has hillary clinton in it or anyone with the last name clinton is probably a 47 one side, maybe higher 48 for her, against her, and 4% or 5% in the middle. you put a bush on the other side and now you're talking about 2% 3% undecided. i don't know that jeb bush is going to be the republican nominee but if he is you're talking about an election in which 98% of people made up their minds six months before the vote happens. >> you're talking about an election when we're going to see the video of the shoe getting thrown at george bush a lot and talking about monica lewinsky. remind the worst moments. get excited everybody. thank you all for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. still ahead, was dave
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her he was thinking of turning himself in. d.c. police did not comment today on any evidence in the case but they did reveal that the suspect worked at the victim's business sometime in the past. sources tell wnbc that windt was verified using dna from a pizza slice delivered from may 13th. sources close to the investigation believe the family was kept bound and kept overnight on the 13th and killed the next day, just hours after $40,000 in cash was delivered to their home. after the cash was delivered, the home was set on fire. darren dylan windt is wanted for first-degree murder. he is considered armed and dangerous. joining me now is nbc news national correspondent peter alexander and criminal profiler pat brown. peter, what's the latest on just the relationship between the victim's family and the suspect? we know that they may have crossed paths professionally.
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>> yeah it sounds as we're told by kathy, hear from the police chief in washington, d.c. that at some point in the past, darren dylan windt also known as stefan windt, worked for his company. it's known as american iron works. it's a big steel manufacturing company based in maryland. according to its web site has been a part of the construction of places like the verizon center where the washington wizards play here in washington, d.c. we're curious what that relationship was and people throughout this entire community has been traumatized and concerned this could have been a sort of random attack. in the words of kathy, the chief of police that's not the case. i want to update you on the best information we have at this hour. this is from the head of detectives in the new york police department who says the best information that they had of the last couple of hours was
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that they believed that windt may be in the south brooklyn area. to just narrow down that area a little bit more specifically. of course, as you reported it's suspected that he was staying with his girlfriend after having taking a bus there. how reliable is the information of windt's girlfriend at this time? police do say that windt has some relatives in the area as well as some friends. >> pat, let me ask you about the pieces of potential evidence that we have thus far. the fact the suspect may have ordered in dinner effectively while holding a family hostage before he killed them. the fact he may have considered turning himself in when he came to new york. what kind of profile can you build around those facts, what kind of insight do they offer into in terms of motive or personality? >> let's go to him saying to his girlfriend, might turn himself in. garbage. he's a psychopath, extremely violent human being who knows, he's killed four people, knows
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the police are after him. is he telling the girlfriend the truth or is she lying for him or just telling the police what he told her? which, you know, okay, i'm going to turn myself in so i'm not on the run anymore. is that true or is he heading for the canadian border? we don't know. so i wouldn't believe anything he says at this point. he's extremely dangerous because if you've already killed four people what's five what's six? >> let's push back on that. this doesn't sound, like from what we know it's obviously a developing story, it doesn't sound like a random act of violence. pretty premeditated and specific, doesn't it? >> i want to get this from you. what's interesting to me is the viciousness of this attack. these victims were found on the second floor, the boy, by some reports, was tortured. all of the individuals were bound and threatened and the family, the boy was found in his room, we're told that's where the fire start. apparently gasoline was doused in that area all on the second floor and the other victims
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found together in a separate room beaten and stabbed. so what does the viciousness tell us? >> exactly. this is all the point. he planned on this crime to some stenlt. extent. he had a purpose, to get a whole lot of money and knew of this man, probably knew he had a lot of money, made his little plan together, whether it was revenge for getting fired from the company or just a psychopath and wanted some cash thought this is a great way to get it. the fact he would do what he did to the family, especially the little boy tells me this is one sadistic human being, a psychopath with no conscience, no remorse. you can't trust him as far as you can throw him. he is just extremely dangerous and what happens with guys like this is they become possible spree killers. as i said he killed four people and the people know who you are, if you need a hostage, you take a hostage. if you need to grab a car, you don't care if you kill anyone else. that's why it's so important they get him in before he kills
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anybody else, and really dangerous. >> d.c. police are not ruling out other suspects at this point is what we hear. do you have anymore on that? >> that's the question that i asked the police chief during that news conference a couple of hours ago. do you believe there's multiple people voinvolved or darren dylan windt is your only man, so to speak? she said we can't effectively answer that. there's a variety of reasons that may be the case. they may not have an arrest warrant or know who else is. we've been led to believe by sources close to the investigation that they suspect more than one person was involved. among the questions, how did windt get to this house? in washington, one of washington east most 's most exclusive area. it's believed he's seen in the grainy surveillance video seen 13 or so miles in maryland running away from where the portiapor porsche was set on fire.
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how did he get to the car in the first place? did someone else help in some form and how could one person so easily hold four people hostage? obviously the threats and having a weapon is not going to hurt but may have been a challenging thing for one person to do alone. >> peter alexander and pat brown, thank you guys both for your thoughts. >> thanks. coming up, the nsa surveillance program is up for a rare saturday senate vote over the holiday weekend. we'll have details on that just ahead. your pet... could you love him any more? probably not. but now you can give them even more when you save with sentry® fiproguard® plus. with sentry® fiproguard® plus, your pet is just as protected against fleas and ticks as with frontline® plus. because sentry® fiproguard® plus has the same active ingredients but costs less than vet prices. and saving money helps you buy... (laughs happily) more tennis balls. sentry® fiproguard® plus
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mitch mcconnell set up a vote to authorize the patriot act. under mcconnell's current plan the senate will vote on a clean extension of the patriot act and the usa freedom act to reign in parts of the patriot act including the controversial collection of u.s. phone records. the senate may remain in session on saturday to vote on both measures. so far, they've been unable to deal with the surveillance program. house speaker john boehner today urged the senate to pass the usa freedom act which the house passed on may 13th. >> the house has acted. time for the senate to act. if they act we'll take certainly look at what they do and make a decision about how to pursue. >> the legislation act allowing the collection june 1st. >> ahead, a late night legend signs off for the last time. that's next on "now."
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and now, new stories that are sure to keep you up in heated debate all night long. americans think they oppose the invasion of iraq when really they didn't. a new poll finds that much of the country misremembers its support for removing saddam hussein from power in 2003 and today, we pause to remember a great day in american history, who this weekend, marks the ten year anniversary of tom cruise jumping on oprah's couch. but first, david letterman says good-bye. >> the only thing i have left to do on the program. thank you and goonlt.d night. >> after 6,028 episodes on the air, the longest serving late night talk show host officially signed off. but in the end, the joke was on david letterman. >> my fellow americans our long national nightmare is over.
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>> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> our long national nightmare is over. letterman is retiring. >> you are not, you are not, you are not funny. >> dave i have no idea what i'll do when you go off the air. you know i just thought of something. i'll be fine. >> your extensive plastic surgery was a necessity. and a mistake. >> joining me now is editor at large, joan walsh. stand-up comedian and writer for the nightly show jordan karlos and senior editor jessie david fox. jessie, vulture, guru that you are. with dave ending his tenure i looked at the show with a
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different sort of gimlet eye and what became abundantly clear is that with dave the joke was always on him. and that seems to set him apart from most late night hosts. >> the first joke i guess i'm not going to get the tonight show. the first joke still holding that like stupid grudge from 25 years ago. >> and it's so refreshing. >> it's great. yeah. >> i guess i wonder jordan from a comedic standpoint there was an infamous tweet one of conan's writers sent out a few months ago. prom king comedy. you've led the popular kids appropriately, the very art form that helped you deal. setting aside who's prom king or not, tina fey said there's nobody left to be scared of. there's friendliness now. >> it's definitely like a front of house thing in the writer's room, still definitely throats. >> but he sort of played along, like this sort of shticky part.
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the star and the host in on the joke, that wasn't dave's thing. >> he didn't feel a need to make you feel comfortable at all. it was come to him. i think they call it the mystique. there's no need. because you the less you gave the more you wanted to know. do i want to know where dave lives in connecticut? a little. not to make this weird. but i know he lives in the pieny woods somewhere. >> right, in the age of overshare, dave was singular. but there's something else folks brought up. which is a lot of the letterman segments never went viral because dave was never the guy that was crafting comedy for the internet. although you could argue that stupid pet tricks was inventive for the internet. >> we just didn't know it at a time. >> was he actually the king of viral comedy? he just didn't know it. >> he invented it but didn't know it. i don't want to be a buzz kill
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here because one thing that bothered me with the long national nightmare is over. that was a moment i'm old enough to remember dave is a lot older, that was a moment of great national tragedy and it's become a punch line. it brings you back to '74 or '75, outrage died and becamed irony. saturday night live comes along, made him a bumbler. spoofing the idiotic moment without telling you to be mad about it. so our whole adult lives, we've been insisting on at least some irony. >> and dave was the most kosik and caustic. generally goofily. is that right? >> i think he spent 30 years proving that celebrities weren't interesting and we all agree now. they're not. so we don't need to tell dumb stories. >> when they make fun of themselves.
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>> or play beer pong. jimmy fallon hit something, you'd rather watch them maybe humiliate than shill their movie. >> people do want to see celebrities. and we want to see them doing things, you want to look behind the curtain. >> stupid celebrity tricks. that's from the inherent. >> people call morning shows at night. i don't hate on it. i think it's like you know there's room for all of it. i would hope that one day, we get a kind of serbic jerk on tv. >> a serbic. oh, we know each other. >> alex wagner is hilarious. >> i will gladly take when colbert retires. something completely different. along the lines of what you brought up joan. 38% of americans support sending
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troops into iraq in 2003 except they're wrong. less than a month before the invasion, 63% of the american public supported invading iraq with u.s. ground troops. this sort of doesn't surprise me. joan, and i feel like i'm going to say something maybe not nice about us as americans, but seems like part of it we don't like admitting mistakes. >> to be wrong. >> we like moving forward. we're not particularly good at looking back at where we were wrong. >> our first marriages. you know we think we had more fun in high school than we really did. >> i thought i had a worst time. i was reminded but maybe i'm an outlierer. for something like this we want to say it was on the right side. we knew it was a bad idea.r. for something like this, we want to say it was on the right side. we knew it was a bad idea.. for something like this, we want to say it was on the right side. we knew it was a bad idea. >> republicans can't figure out what they thought back then or what they think now. >> is this a necessary part of being an american? the go west mentality. >> we're wrong so often.
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if we pretend to remember that we'd never be able to move on with our lives. i think it's a beautiful story. the same like bull headedness that like got us into iraq in the first place. we just keep on doing it. in ignorance, it's like i was right. >> we're destined to repeat the horrible mistakes all over again. that doesn't seem that beautiful. that seems damning. >> i used to wear diesel jeans? those are for nerds, lame. how did diesel make so many men's dollops? >> i don't know what you're saying. >> you're in denial because i'm sure you were in diesel. >> what is the point, that we don't recognize the fact that -- >> we love diesel jeans. i mean, right now. >> in retrospect, they were super corny but at the time we were for it. not that we're drawing an equivalent. >> this is the diesel jeans of war. >> to the idea of who we are generally as a country, we have
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a hard time believing we made stupid moves. >> like right now, i'm a man wearing sweat pants. in ten years i'll be like i never wore sweat pants. >> never on my debut performance on alex wagner show. yeah, you did. speaking of tv moments that one regrets. today we pause to remember this day in american history. this day. >> we've never seen you behave this way before. >> i know. >> have you ever felt this way before? >> it's not quite today, but on may 23rd 2005 ten years ago this saturday the famously press box office smashing actor tom cruise went to express his newfound love for then girlfriend katie holmes. jessie jessie, was this the beginning, the adbc moment for tom's career?
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>> love makes you do crazy things as well as being a crazy person. that clip of him jumping, it is like forever. i think probably one of the earliest gifs was that moment. it's a cool joke?. >> in the moment, he doesn't give away the fact he's jumping on couch. looking down seriously and then all of the sudden his face lights up an he's hopping up on the couch. >> he jumped from a seated position on the couch. >> glioyo metric strike alone. i wonder jordan i will say when we talk about tom cruise's career, he's had a couple movies out. i had a list of them. where are they? they were "valkyrie" but also "the edge of tomorrow." are we sort of in the third phase of tom cruise's career? >> jumping on the otto man?
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>> back on the upswing. america likes people to be on the top and then fall and back up again. >> like the iraq war? >> that's going back -- >> never count tc and i look forward to mi 3. he brings 110% to everything. have any of you onset set been in love with katie holmes? you don't know what that's like. >> this coincided with tom cruise taking more vocal public role as a spokesperson for scientology. he's since dialled that back. >> but it did fuse with the moment, people were becoming aware of his oddness and we think it had something to each other but we don't remember it was about falling in love with katie holmes. it was the proof we needed he was stark raving mad. >> i saw it. i saw it. did you ever see all the right moves?
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>> yeah. >> first diesel jeans, tom cruise's career. you're invited back. jessie david fox, you are as well. thank you for your time. still ahead, nearly ten miles of california's coast has been slicked with oils and there are fears that it will leak further out into the pacific. we'll have an update on that coming up next. (music) boys? (music) stop less, go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in, and you can get 0% apr for 72 months on 2015 passat tdi models plus a total of $1500 in available bonuses. across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar but it didn't get me to my goal.
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many fear the world heritage site is certain to face destruction. isis militants bulldozed the ancient ark yochaeological city. this week the pbs news hour reported on what happens when isis militants want to loot rather than destroy these ancient antiquities. >> looters are required to fill out permission forms like this one and hand over a percentage of the proceeds. it's loading sculptures stolen from pal myra under threat by the state. smugglers caught after they advertised the statues on the internet for $200,000 a piece. >> joining me now, associate professor in ohio, almer al azan. give us a sense of what's in this place. >> palmyra is an important city
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because it's straddled that dividing line between the desert and the, let's say the sedentary civil wiseized world and played a boundary in the roman empire in its day and straddled an important trade that brought goods from as far as china to the region the eastern roman empire and then on to europe and heart of the roman empire there in rome. so as such it had access to different types of goods and materials. the other thing the is it has dry conditions. you can have the preservation of textiles, like wood.
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and these, we found remarkable finds pieces like that over the history. and all our fears and the concerns is that once isis establishes the city, it's going to start looting the city with extreme measures and all of this will be lost. >> a lot may be looted but not destroyed. that gives some comfort. practically speaking once an item out of the place what's the likelihood of getting it back? >> it's going to be very difficult. you know the black market the elicit antiquityies trade market is a shady market. most items will go into the storerooms or basements of big time dealers to sit for five
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ten, maybe 15 years before slowly start to make their way out into the open market or rich, wealthy private collectors where they never see the light of day again. even though they are being looted, the chances of us being able to recover those. and remember this is not just for syria and syria's cultural heritage but the world as the home. >> this is about human civilization. >> yes, other concern is that destruction might happen because isis is known for actually destroying and being a heritage site, likely a target for another atrocity. this is a great concern for us. isis uses this as a powerful propaganda tool to project basically its own ability to act
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with impugnnity and also to demonstrate the impotence to respond together. it gives a powerful message and isis uses it to great effect. >> the human toll has been absolutely devastating as has the cultural toll. almost 300 syrian heritage sites have been damaged by the war. 24 of them completely destroyed. professor, thank you for your time. coming up, officials in california are trying to stop a three-day old oil spill from spreading further. we'll have more on that after the break. appears buster's been busy. yeah, scott. i was about to use the uh. i've got a much better idea, lad! scotts ez seed uses the finest seed, fertilizer and natural mulch so you can grow grass anywhere! thanks, scott. ez seed really works! get scotts ez seed. it's guaranteed. ♪ building aircraft,
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has been declared a state of emergency. officials now believe up to 105,000 gallons of oil may have gushed into the pacific ocean in santa barbara county 130 miles northwest of los angeles. so far, clean-up crews mopped up less than 8,000 gallons of oil from the spill that now stretches for nine miles of
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california coastline. the cause of the spill unknown but the source is not. the ruptured pipeline owned by houston-based plains all american pipeline. wildlife including pelicans found coated in oil. no marine animals affected by the california spill. a new study released wednesday concludes that a surge in dolphin deaths along the gulf of mexico may be linked to the 2010 deep water horizon oil spill. more than 1300 bottle nosed dolphins stranded in the region found with lung and adrenal gland lesions linked to exposure to petroleum products after an oil spill. that does it for now. we are waiting a press conference from baltimore state attorney marilyn moseby expected to make remarks on the freddie gray investigation "the ed show" is going to bring that to you live coming up next. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york.
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let's get to work. tonight, disastrous deal. we make decisions here to throw people out of work. plus the d.c. murder mystery. >> the manhunt for the suspect in a chilling murder case in the nation's capitol that's captivated the country. >> if anyone sees this person, assume he's maybe armed and dangerous. later, the clinlt eton e-mails are out. >> pages of e-mails from hillary clinton's private e-mail account. >> i did not e-mail any classified material. >> and trouble for scott walker. >> what possible corruption going on in governor walker's job? >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. we are waiting a press conference from baltimore state attorney marilyn moseby as you get the live shot right now, we expect new information in the case of
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