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about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab. welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour. richard haass. >> great shot i guess it was out in the hamptons. >> yes, beautiful. >> memorial day weekend. willie, what do you have planned? >> just going to be with the family. kids.

christina. just chill. >> richard haass, any middle east peace plans? >> a long three days i'm sure all we need. daughter back from college, so it will be nice. >> and steve, you have a graduation. >> yes, last child graduating from college. >> last one. >> until they go to graduate school. >> it's a big moment. that's nice. >> i'm just kind of hanging out put on my sweats and t-shirt and walk around -- >> you are not. you know you're going away. >> my sad pathetic life. >> i'm going to take speech class. i'll be back on tuesday, remedia speech class. >> the rain in spain falls mainly on the plain. >> i can't talk just when i get nervous about it. i did not think this would

happen. >> only time she gets nervous -- >> i'm in the alone here. >> you're not alone. >> willie let's start with some shocking news out of washington. >> yeah, this is big breaking news overnight out of washington. police confirm 34-year-old daron wint suspect in last week's brutal murder of a d.c. couple one of their children and housekeeper was captured last night without incident. police say she followed thethey followed chevy before about taking him in. he's suspected of holding the family and housekeeper hostage before killing all four and torching the house. law enforcement sources told wnbc thursday they believe wint took a bus to new york city before returning to d.c. police tracking him in part through a phone they obtained from his girlfriend. she was not arrested. police say she was cooperative in all this. among the dead savvas

savopoulos who was ceo of a metal supply company where wint worked from 2003 to 2005. a relative of went oigint's was fired from the company. they were killed after someone delivered $40,000 in cash to the house. the home later set on fire leading police to the bodies and family's car found burning in a church parking lot in maryland. grainy video showed a hooded person leaving the scene there. but the biggest break in the case came earlier on thursday when police matched wint's dna to the crust of a pizza found inside the house. that right there is the linchpin to this whole case they have now arrested the man based on finding his dna on the crust of a slice of pizza in the midst of all that death and fire. cops zeroed in on that. >> and federal marshals as clint

van van zandt said. let's move on to politics. yesterday we laid thoughts on jeb bush from a focus group. they didn't positionntidn't think much of jeb. >> scott walker doesn't have a degree from college. is that important to you? should a president have a college agree? >> it's irrelevant. >> anybody in the room who thinks not having a college degree is disqualifying? like you wouldn't vote for someone without a college glee? degree? >> i hate to say it but it's bothersome to me. i don't know why. i can't tell you. but it just strikes me as i think that the president of the united states should have a college degree. >> if he was nobody i think it would bother me p but because he's been a successful politician and a good governor it doesn't bother me because he's proved himself. >> he's already jumped the hurdles.

>> what do you know about marco rubio? >> i like his background and i just like the way he looks and i saw him a little bit on tv last night and i thought, man, he's talking good stuff. >> you got a little built of a crush on marco rubio. >> i to. i think the kids call it i'm crushing on him. >> he's the american dream. i think that's exception, folks get refugees from cuba and he built himself p, a self made man. he still gives a lot of credit to his parents and stuff, but i think that's what you look for in the united states. >> what do you know about carly fiorina? >> she's a woman. >> that is true. >> she talks pretty straight. i think she could hold her own with anybody in a bar fight or a discussion. >> against hillary. >> she could give hillary a run for her money. >> i've heard that she's a good communicator.

>> and last two winners were mike huckabee and rick santorum, but these voters seem very recent hesitant to support those two. >> the people we like or choose doesn't seem to follow through, but the country doesn't follow through. >> seems like every time we go in santorum, huckabee twooo conservative for the country and as soon as they leave iowa they're done. >> mika we started about this college degree. you're a couple hours short from getting a college glee from what i understand. but you were talking also in the break about how he has debt. >> yeah. according to state financial records, he's got $10,000, maybe much more than that in credit card debt. he has a car loan. i mean nothing against the law, all within the realm of what normal americans confront trying to raise a family work and

balance budgets. >> and i wonder if at some -- >> stark contrast by the way. >> such a stark contrast to all the gazillion theirs in this race. headlines have been you forget about a $75,000 contribution to the clinton found days, chin to bes making $25 million, $30 million since 2014 in speeches worth $200 million of course and the bushes have money. and they have had money for generations. and you can go down the line. i'm just wondering if, willie a guy who didn't graduate i think in his final semester because he needed to start work and is carrying around debt like most americans, if that's not actually pretty appealing in the end. >> i think that's a big part of his appeal. people like the scott walker because they can relate to him,

he shares their concerns and problems. and i've always found that while he didn't go to college question so obnoxious. you go to college so you can hopefully hopefully achieve things in life. he has achieved things. i hope it's not a part of the debate. >> if you look at the two people who did more to change our world, you would have to look at steve jobs and bill gates. neither one graduated from college. am i right? >> nor did mark zuckerberg. >> so let's talk about the three people that changed the way that we get news, pass along information, communicate with each other. these are the people that have changed our society more than anybody else they did not graduate with a college degree. >> some degrees earned some not earned. but on the financial side marco rubio is in a similar situation

as scott walker. i think he's cashed out his retirement savings. he doesn't have a lot of money and he's living more like an ordinary american than the rest of these candidates. >> gene i wonder if these things we're hearing about scott walker actually some critics might see these as negatives hey actually end up being more positive in the age of, you know candidates worth $200 million. >> yeah, i think if scott walker goes down i don't think it will be because he fell a due hours short of a college degree. i don't think that's relevant.hours short of a college degree. i don't think that's relevant. money question tends to work both ways. there is also a sense out there that well, they have money so they don't need to be corrupt basically. they don't need to grub after money. but maybe people will relate to walker. we'll see. i'm still wondering how he will play on the national stage as opposed to the wisconsin stage. >> i'm not sure either. but when you just look at the

clintons and some of the gaffes involving money, they talk about it as if you know, dead broke or i got to pay the bills. those things i would say you could go into e-mail-gate and all these other things, those things rub me the wrong way. >> we'll see what happens. this next story is fascinating. we have a great panel to talk about it. we have somebody who obviously has been involved with the peace process with richard haass and two former reporters this london. gene robinson you worked in london early '80s. >> yes, i did. >> along with steve rattner. so the story of this hand shake will have special resonance with you all. let's go to ireland where a historic week is coming to a close, the first hand shake that is generating headlines across the world. and that handshake just explain

what everybody around the set understands, jerry adams shaking the hand of prince charles whose favorite uncle was assassinated by the ira and many people would think jerry adams certainly had a hand in that as a leader in that organization in the 1980s. but they're shaking hands to reconciliation. let's go to dublin and bill neely. bill obviously we're talking about your backyard. we've got a close friend of the family, really more like a member of the family from northern ireland, who still hasn't for given mark mcginnis for shaking the queen's hand and jerry adams on the list as well. i'm sure it's a shock to a lot of people in england that prince charles would shake the happened of thehand of the man involved in the assassination of his favorite uncle. >> joe, it is still jaw

dropping. the only analogy for american viewer imagine if somehow george w. bush in 20 years had managed on shake the hand of osama bin laden. obviously that cannot happen because bin laden is sded, butdead, but that's the seismic handshake that this was. as you say, prince charles shaking the hand and meeting for ten minutes with jerry adams, political leader of the ira, which murdered prince charles's great uncle, the last british vice vice viceroy of india. jerry adams said the ira did to him, monbaton, what did he to others. so along comes prince charles. remember, he's colonel and chief

of the parachute regiment one of the british army regiments loathed by ira supporters and he shakes the hand of jerry adams. and looking at the two of them, two 66-year-old men born within weeks of each other, adams reaches across whispers in irish in his ear 100,000 welcomes. i mean this is extraordinary stuff. and i think it's part of a peace process that brick by brick is still being built. and you saw when the queen came here to dublin some years ago, the words that she used extraordinarily well chosen. and charles also in a speech had well chosen words about the profound pain that he felt and that he now understood others felt. all of those who had lost people in the terrible war not only in northern ireland but a war that spilled over here into the

republic of ireland. so as you say, historic doesn't even begin to sum up that handshake. >> i was talking about people in northern i've land shockreland shocked, but you say more people in england would be shocked and it plays into jerry adams' long term plan politically. >> adams has still not ever admitted that he had a role in the ira, provisional ira. he denies he was ever a member about that. >> nobody really believes that, do they. >> no, but that is his argument. so for prince charles to do this without having gotten something in return will be controversial. and it will help adams, his party now the strongest party in ireland. not just northern ireland.

so it reinforces the idea that jerry adams will move beyond the phase of his being quote/unquote a terrorist. so it serves very much his political narrative. >> gene robinson in your time in great britain london bureau for the "washington post," i'm sure you could never perceive that day coming obviously with the assassination and the yearly bombings it seemed. moths most shocking thing to me is how jerry adams made peace and walked tight rope and stayed alive. this must be one tough feerd man in northern ireland. >> he's got to be. i mean people don't remember just how bloody this conflict was. but there were bombings in london when i was there in the '90s. remember the ira tried to blow

up margaret thatcher in brighton in a terrible hotel bombing. went on and on. and fascinate being that this is happening now right after more information has come out alleging a substantial role in terrorist acts by jerry adams. and yet they went ahead with this handshake. so it's fascinating. it will have reverberations in britain for sure. >> steve rattner, richard touched on adams' interest in this handshake. why would prince charles do it? >> well, you have a situation in the uk where it's threaten to go almost dissolve, where it puts scotland, northern ireland and even wailles talking about independence. so it's in britain's interests to try to bring them closer together. but just my time in london i

remember it wasn't just at the prince charles, but the antipathy of the average english person toward the irish was very strong, as well, because of the bombings. so it was really top to bottom. >> bill neely, i want to ask you, how does jerry adams survive? how does he -- i'm continually fascinated by how he has gone from revolutionary to statesman and how the most extreme elements of the ira, they're still there, haven't turned their guns on him. >> well, you mentioned michael collins a revolution their leader fromlead leader in the 1920s who was assassinated to putting his name to a piece of paper which was

regarded as treacherous. you could say jerry adams has the ghost of collins on his shoulder at all time. adams has survived one assassination attempt by loyalists. there are three groups who would regard what he has done as traitorist. so he's a man i think who will always look over his shoulder and of course as an early revolutionary, he did what revolutionaries often do, he went from house to house, he changed cars regularly, me sure that his movements weren't well known. but he is now trying to establish his political party as a force north and south of the border. so in two countries, although in one island. and gradually the troubles are fading away in people's minds and he is beginning to have a

presence here in southern ireland, in the republic of ireland. so he is still potent political force. >> and quite a historic vote today and very very catholic country. tell us what's going on today and whether we're going to have a shocking result by the he said of the day as it looks like we may. >> well, we've been talking about the 1970s. today's vote is a vote about the future and who would ever have thought that ireland would be the first country in the world to put the issue of gay marriage to the whole population. so in the u.s. obviously gay marriage is decided by states and will be decided by the nine justices of the supreme court. ireland has decided to do it differently, threw the whole thing open and today 3 million people will vote so o. whether to insert a line in the irish constitution that gay marriage shall be legal. it's an astonishing issue as you

say for a country that is catholic conservative, where the church had extraordinary power. that power has withered away and today people will decide on this contentious social issue. but it will be amazing if as the polls say that ireland will pass this measure, it would be only the 18th country in the world do that. so really an extraordinary day. and an extraordinary week for ireland. >> bill neely, thank you very much. >> gene robinson thank you, as well. still ahead, a major change could be coming soon to the boy scouts. what robert gates is urging to do. and david letterman is still making news. he just did something he hadn't done in more than 20 years. we'll tell you what that is. ♪ want to survive a crazy busy day? start with a positive attitude... and positively radiant skin. aveeno® positively radiant moisturizer...

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to contain and clean up the site of an oil spill. a burst pipeline septembernt 105,000 gallons of crude into a drain chapel with an estimated 21,000 making its way into the pacific ocean. the oil has created slicks that span nine miles of coastline. rescuers so far have treated six pelicans and one california sea lion coated in oil but alive along with three dead fish and many more of course still to be counted. meanwhile the company that owns the ruptured pipeline is facing some new scrutiny. federal records show 175 safety incidents reported since 2006 you causing nearly $24 million worth of property damage. >> identities of the three fish will not be released untilg the the next of kin have been notified. financial times, concerns about disputed islands in the south china sea.

china warned the plane at least eight times to leave the area. one message said, quote, foreign military aircraft you are approaching our military alert zone, leave immediately.u.s. is vowing to continue patrols in the area since they are taking place in international air space. and waters. what's happening here richard? >> what you have is china being more assertive about territorial sea that it claims. if you remember the first foreign policy crisis of george w. bush's presidency was aircraft forced to land in china. so i think one day we'll be sitting around the set talking about an incident between chinese aircraft and most likely a japanese aircraft. and the real question is whether that kind of an incident can be managed without escalation. that's going to happen in this part of the world. >> we're not going to stop the chinese in their march through the south china sea, do you think? >> i'm not sure what you you mean by stop but yeah there will be push back. >> they're taking these islands. putting in runways.

>> they can do some of those things without us but they won't necessarily be respected. so day will come tll be some kind of an incident between our ships or our planes. and what worries me about asia you don't really have the shock absorbers diplomatically. we don't have in place all the mechanisms we need to keep things stable. >> "new york times," president of the boy scouts of america says organization's ban on openly gay leaders is no longer sustainable. former defense sect and now boy scouts president robert gates said thursday we must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it be. citing recent events gates warned if the boy scouts did not change on their own, the courts would likely force them to do it. we must all understand that this will probably happen sooner rather than later. in 2013, the organization voted to allow openly gay scouts, but stopped short of permitting gay adult leaders. >> that's interesting how we wish it to be.

like night at the roxbury? >> me it sound like he was being forced into this. >> he's a great guy. this from the national journal, capitol hill police chief criminal dine told kim dine says her new officers will receive safety training that includes properly handling firearms in problematic places such as the bathroom. change comes after at the least two officers accidently left their guns in public restrooms. >> oh, my gosh. >> while on duty. >> that's not good. >> of course at least they left it at a place that doesn't need to be secured. the u.s. capitol. this photo is of a gun left in the stall inside the capital visitors center back in january. the other incident, a small child found a loaded weapon in speaker john boehner's -- >> oh, my god. >> is this like a saloon wild

west saloon? >> at least it's not the secret service. >> seems like the first thing you'd check for when you're regrouping. all right. the hollywood reporter ratings are in $13.8 million people watched david letterman close out his late night career wednesday night. his largest audience since 1994 and that was right after the's him picks. the late show finale outrated every other network show in prime time. it also had its best rating among 18 to 49-year-olds since oprah winfrey appeared on the show in 2005. >> what a great good-bye. >> i loved it. >> i really did. kind of sad, you showed me a picture, already breaking down the set. >> horrible. >> that iconic set that he had behind him with all the bridges and skyline of new york. already being taken out. smashed up and thrown in a dumpster. i hope pieces are being preserved. >> is he going to go -- he's not

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was weird. but in the great scheme of how these things end, just to sort of have resolution and i think the thing with don and the commercial was okay with me. it was a little ambiguous. i get your point that people under 50 wouldn't have had any idea what they were attacking ingtalking about. but i thought it was a nice sweet ending. >> he i just thought he crammed three episodes into about 15 minutes. there is a pacing problem there. at the same time, i agree with you, i'm glad there were happy endings because about three episodes into the final season it was like there will be no redemption for any of these people. >> the show got too dark so nice to see some positive things. you're right it was frantic and too many loose ends. but what i liked was the guy who talked about the five minute sequence being inside the refrigerator. i actually think that will become a classic scene in "mad men" history about what it's like, that that is kind of like

his life had become and people would enon the door and light would shine upon him and then leave him there and the door would close. >> it was a really moving moment. i'm serious. it was a really moving moment. you said why the hell are they inside this room when is the payoff for this yoga retreat at big sur or whatever it was. and that was the payoff. and it was a hell of a payoff. so it was worth the wait there. but you know willie if you're matthew weiner, you have to love the fact that the series had people talking about the ending for weeks maybe even months. same thing is happening now with "mad men" for people who saw it. they're discussing it and talking through it. >> i have toed a mitd, iadmit, i'm still getting to the mash

finale, which i hear is going to be great. but you're right, they still talk about the sopranos and how many years ago was that. there was a debate about it. >> and even with that, you still talk about the sopranos finale and i originally thought that he survived and then like a year and a half in he's dead. >> but it takes that long to marinate. >> which means that again the writer did a hell of a job, creator did. and in this case matthew weiner i suppose people will be talking about this. >> here we are talking about it. >> letterman's 13.8 million "mad men," 3.3 million, so a show had a huge impact even without the letterman sized audience. >> there was a great frustration, some people wanted to have this massive audience and they figured out they had

the influencers. they had a smaller and you had generals but, wow, a really influential audience. people that shaped culture. >> like "morning joe." >> yeah. but that is that -- actually you want to talk about an overlap, you had a study of magazines that people read and what they do and people who quach watch this show reading new york making magazine, go to broadway plays, they watch "mad men." there is a real overlay i think for good reason. >> we went to the screening of the first one, was it? >> second season. first one of the second season. >> how many seasons have we had? >> seven depending on how you count the last season. >> what was so interesting, they didn't realize how big it was. we went up there and it was

like -- get away from me. i'll tell you what, they were all such you know, gracious kind of people. jon hamm so nice still. come up, shake your hand. all great people. so glad it ended up well for them. >> up next we go live to -- >> are you going to try this? >> no. >> live to washington. breaking news overnight. the mansion murder suspect is now in custody and how police got their man and do they know why he did it.

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correspondent peter alexander. peter, good morning, what are the investigators saying today about how the arrest unfolded? >> reporter: this entire event going down last night almost exactly a week after those brutal slayings took place in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods here in washington, d.c. now in custody is daron dylon wint, police say he was tracked to new york city and back. the arrest made in northeast d.c. where he was picked up in a car that was traveling alongside a box drug, both of those vehicles were impounded. several other people were also taken into custody. and inside one of the vehicles police also found according to the "washington post" at least $10,000 cash. this morning the massive manhunt foron dylon wint is over police taking him into custody overnight. law enforcement sources tell wrc

that police followed a white chevy into the neighbor's capital from prince george's county. officers pulling it over approaching with guns drawn. wrc reports three unidentified women were also in the car with wint. overnight, investigators were combing through chevy and a truck parked nearby. the arrest capped an intensive two day search from washington, d.c. to brooklyn, this morning where investigate force believe wint traveled by bus before returning to d.c. thursday. a law enforcement official tells wnbc that police tracked wint to brooklyn using a phone found in his girlfriend's possession when police interviewed her thursday. she told police wint was returning to d.c. where police used separate phone records to track him down according to the official. the question remains did it wint target the savopoulos family allegedly beating and stabbing the adult victims. police say he once worked for savvas savopoulos's business american ire works.

and wrc reports one of wint's relatives was fired from the company. >> do you believe there are multiple suspects or was he acting alone? >> we have not ruled out there are others involved. >> reporter: in 2010 wint was arrested carrying a two foot long made shets itychetemachete. court records reveal wint was also charged with assault three times found guilty in one of the cases and had three unrelated and separate protective orders issued against him. this attorney represented him in previous court cases. >> i can't believe that he did it and i've met him many many times. i don't think he's the one. >> reporter: and we just now received a statement from the family, the savopoulos family where the adults parents and their 10-year-old son philip were among the victims in that awful disaster that took place.

the family statement reads we are thankful to law enforcement who worked so diligently to bring about an arrest. while it does not abate our pain, we hope it begins to restore a sense of calm and security to our neighborhood and our city. we are blessed to live in a community comprised of close circle of friends who have supported us and grieve with us. the savopoulos are survived by two teenage daughters who are said to be staying with relatives. they were away at their boarding school at the time of this awful attack. we do expect to see darren dillondillwint in court this afternoon. >> thanks so much. joining us now, former member of hostage negotiation team director of security and intelligence operations for mayor giuliani's office of emergency management. sal, good to have you with us. let's run through some of the detective work here. we talked a lot about this pizza

crust that may have led to the gentleman who was arrested today, the suspect. there had to be more than just the pizza crust, though right? >> yeah. when you think about the length of time that this situation developed, he was in -- we know it at leasted a day, day and a half, possibly two days. the ability not to leave more dna at the scene is virtually impobl. talked about that the victims had been bound with duct tape. it's highly possible when they were cutting the duct tape off, that they left dna. so i'm sure when the investigation finally concludes we'll see a lot more dna evidence tying him to the scene. >> by all reports this was an ordeal that lasted a very long time. more than a day for this family under such awful circumstances. what do you glean from some of the things that happened text message sent to the housekeeper, please don't comeoff fact that

the guy ordered a pizza? >> everybody the thing with the pizza is the fact that they left money out on the porch, they didn't receive it at the door. the maid's husband making the -- going to the home knocking on it thinking somebody was there. and then getting simultaneously getting the phone call from the father saying hey, don't worry coming over today. clearly this was an indication that something was wrong all along the way. and it just would have been great had somebody picked up the phone and called 911 and reported it. but again, we're looking at it now with 20/20 hindsight and not looking at it at the moment. >> and what will happen next in this investigation? they talked about the possibility of accomplices. do you think it could have been pulled off by one man? >> i don't think so. i think we'll wind up seeing more people involved. i think the girlfriend will be instrumental in being able to tell us who he was talking to. phone records will play a big part into this. we also have to wait for atf to

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>> during an on going investigation, charges can be and should be revised based uponevidence. >> a grand jury in baltimore handed up indictments against those six police officers. >> are now scheduled to be arraigned on july 2. >> it does not appear that this was just a random crime. >> police have just arrested the man suspected in a quadruple murder. >> we have not ruled out that there are others involved. >> i can neither confirm nor deny the authenticity of the documents published by the "new york times." >> "new york times" reporting that e-mails sent in the days after the benghazi attack do not disclose classified information. >> i think the republicans will always be asking questions. >> the terrorist sanctuary across syria and iraq is now

larger than a small european country. >> there is no iraqi government that can solve this. there is no iraqi army that we can train. >> it doesn't sound very reassuring to most people in the country that in fact this is under control. >> i have said that we have experienced important progress and experienced some important setbacks as well. i don't know whether that's reassuring. i think it's an accurate description of what's happening on the ground. >> a spokesperson last week who made a report that we in fact were succeeding against isis, that hasn't been true since we started and certainly isn't true now. welcome to "morning joe," great to have you with us. happy friday. mika had a wonderful event last night, friends, we wish you could have been there, union square barnes & noble. a great event talking about know your value. this was actually the long march, willie geist, where mika had to actually get up on stage and talk before a lot of fans and friends in a cindy brady style lisp.

it's kind of hard talking about tough negotiations as a woman in modern america with a lisp of a six-year-old girl but she somehow did it. we begin, willie this morning with a question. >> that was really nice thank you. >> can mika speak today. >> no i can't. >> the question is asked and willie, of course 240 million people still watching arms services radio all across the globe. keeps getting bigger. but yesterday we were inundated. kids from guam tony and ralph. >> the twins. >> the twins. they were just cracking up about mika and the lisp and it was really something wasn't it? >> it was. but i think with 24 hours it's going to be even better today, right mika? >> i think so. i feel like it sounds better if i'm really -- >> stop! >> richard haas what do i sunday like? >> elmer fudd. >> we're going to go to willie geist with some news.

willie, a remarkable story outside of washington, d.c. and unbelievable the way they captured the suspect. >> people have been following this closely and there's breaking news overnight in d.c. police confirmed 34-year-old daron wint, the suspect in last week's brutal murder of a d.c. couple, one of their children and their housekeeper was captured shortly after 11:00 p.m. without incident. police say they followed a white chevy cruise from maryland into d.c. before taking him into custody. he's charged with first degree murder while armed, suspected of holding the family and housekeeper hostage before killing off four and torching the house. law enforcement sources told wnbc thursday they believe wint took a bus to new york city before returning to d.c. tracking him in part through a phone they obtained from his girlfriend. she was not arrested. police say she was cooperative. among the dead savvas savopoulos, ceo of a metal supply company where wint worked

from 2003 to 2005. a relative of wint's was fired from the company. someone was killed hours after someone delivered 40,000 in cash to the house. the home was set on fire, leading police to the bodies and the family's car found burning in a church parking lot in maryland with grainy surveillance video showing a hooded person leaving the scene. the biggest break came when police matched wint's dna to the crust of a pizza found at the house. joining us from washington former fbi profiler and hostage negotiator now an nbc law enforcement analyst, clint van zandt. clint, what do you make of the connection between the family and daron dylon wint? >> supposely he worked for the company. we heard a relative had been fired. we know that when the suspect was arrested this morning -- and realize this was a great fugitive arrest by the marshal

service and all the other agencies. about 50 or 60 other people combined, to include his brother who was with him, and they found a large amount of cash. so all of this is coming together. appearing to not only link the suspect but link the suspect back to the victim's company. this is one of the most brutal crimes we've seen. it takes us back to probably 2007 when that doctor in connecticut, dr. pettitte and his family was brutally murdered. this is the same type of brutality. whoever did this is a stone cold sociopath. >> and what a way to actually get a lead on who actually was that stone cold sociopath, a crust of pizza gave them the evidence they needed to start the trial. >> and you've got to think of this picture, willie.

not only is this a great csi type of grab but realize the house was on fire flames were burning. you had the four victim when the had been tortured and murdered in the house. the fire department is pouring tons of water in the house to put the fire out and yet atf and d.c. police and others were able to go in and somebody was sharp enough to say "look, two pizzas came to this house, the suspect obviously wasn't feeding pizza to his victims, the suspect probably ate it himself. here's a pizza box, maybe charred, inside is a piece of pizza." willie, some cop was sharp enough to grab that and say let's see if we can get anything off of that. that was the link that put this whole case together. >> good quick work by law enforcement all the way around here. hopefully we'll find out more of the why that the suspect is in custody. clint van zandt, thanks for being up early. >> you look at the newspapers

richard haass, it's a grim grim picture in the middle east. you have "usa today" "isil takes ancient city in syria." the "new york times" has a frantic message from syrian resistance. "we're finished." this comes -- this comes on the backdrop of barack obama actually telling jeffrey goldberg that we're not losing our battle against isis when ramadi falls, ancient cities in syria fall. it seems that isis is streaking across the middle east. i will tell you last night when i was watching the news -- and i rarely watch the news at night, but i was so concerned about this -- i sat there and said the bitter irony is -- this is what the president said. "i don't think we're losing against isis, we're eight months into what we always anticipated to be a multiyear campaign." i sat there last night and i said oh my god, iraq was not a

national security threat to our vital interests in 2003 but it's rapidly turning into one in 2015. >> yeah since saddam hussein. if. >> because for me at least the new test is do they want to blow up buildings in new york and washington? the taliban doesn't, saddam hussein didn't. isis does. >> also they want to control most of the middle east. when they call themselves the caliphate, that's not just verbiage that's real. look, we have not had a strategy in syria, and that's hard to come up with for various reasons, but the administration thought we had a strategy in iraq and i think what we're seeing increasingly exposed is that we don't. the partner upon whom that strategy is premised the iraqi government, isn't a partner. so either you have to believe that one day sooner rather than later it will become a partner or the administration needs to go to plan "b." but this is not working. isis now controls, what half of

syria? and, again, the place we thought we had them on the run, iraq, the momentum has switched the other way. this is time seriously, to go back to basics. this is not working and these guys won't stop there. when they call themselves the caliphate, they're interested in the entire region and places like saudi arabia and the rest are not immune. >> what is the -- what's the effect of us continuing to not move? what's the effect of continuing to allow them to exsand? what's the impact? >> well this geographic impact is they'll continue to gain territory in syria. >> i guess what the -- the better question is what's the cost of inaction? we see what the cost of inaction is in syria over two years, over 100,000 people were killed. we had that debate in realtime. what's the cost of inaction? real inaction here? we were talking to dexter filkins yesterday and he said you're not going to really move anything there until the u.s.

makes a bigger commitment. >> it's not just the u.s. it's others. but the cost of inaction is that these people keep gaining territory because it's a momentum play. they gain recruits that i gain money. people in the sunni world in particular side with them. if they sense this is the future. and if the only alternative is bringing in shi'a militias backed by iran most sunnis are going to say i'd rather go with radical sunni militias or isis than i would to put my fate in the hands of shi'a backed by iran. again, we do not have a partner in syria. the partner we thought we had in iraq, the iraqi government isn't a partner. we have got to think seriously about an alternative strategy. >> as joe pointed out in the interview with jeffrey goldberg for the "atlantic," the president said isis is on the defensive in spite of what we've seen over the last couple days in iraq and syria. that had many republicans going after the president on his policy. >> two days ago when a review should have been well under way to correct an incoherent strategy that is woefully

underresourced, the white house press secretary josh ernst said "are we going to light our hair on fire every time there's a setback?" i would point out from my colleagues that maybe his hair isn't on fire but there are bodies on fire in the streets of ramadi as we speak. >> we look at the problems that are confronting this country around the world and you look at isis for example. isis was created by barack obama. they are now trying to get all of these candidates including jeb bush and everybody to try to get this gotcha question on well, would you have voted for it? the better question is mrs. clinton, would you have voted or supported barack obama taking our troops out when everybody single advisor to the president said that if you took them out the gains, the success that we had, the victory that we had in

iraq would be frittered away. >> richard haas i think rick santorum's asking the wrong question of the wrong person because from my understanding, hillary clinton -- and i've sort of poked at her through the years here as being a neocon hillary clinton always proposed more action whether it was in syria, whether it was in iraq whether it was in afghanistan. hasn't she always been on the side of the hawks? >> she was on the side of essentially supporting armed intervention including libya and in iraq arming the syrian opposition, not allow ing allowing bashar al assad to cross the red lines. but do we have an alternative approach in iraq? should we be working directly with the kurds and sunni tribes rather than funneling everything

through the iran-backed government? that's got to be a serious foreign policy question. >> real quickly, the proximity of all this to baghdad. is there a possibility that baghdad could be taken? >> well you're talking about somewhere between 60 and 80 miles depending on how you look. closer -- think about it. from here to poughkeepsie is what we're talking about. the question is you know you probably have a massive iranian effort. iranian troops as well as shi'a militia. so i think baghdad is safe but as steve cole pointed out, at the price of -- by making it such an iran and shi'a-backed enterprise, his expression was it's like using gasoline to put out a fire. the very troops you're going to exacerbate the problem with the sunnis whose affiliation you want to win. we don't have a workable strategy. either you have to think the government transforms and the forces become truly national then you have to work with the

kurds. >> that's another thing dexter filkins said yesterday. there is no iraq. there's never been iraq. there are lines. he said everybody that he talks to and that he's talked to and as we all know dexter has been there for a decade they never talked about being an iraqi, they're always something else. and until we have the courage to understand that there's going to be a kurdistan and the iranians are going to control baghdad and we have to turn to our sunni allies in saudi arabia and jordan and egypt and across the middle east to take care of anbar province, we're going to keep failing. there is no iraqi government that can solve this. there is no iraqi army that we can train. and that's the biggest copout in washington right now. >> i agree. and western iraq and eastern syria, that area is now -- the border is irrelevant. what i call the rand mcnally or the post-world war i middle east is over and we need a long-term strategy for dealing with that. the united states can do some of

it but as you say, we need a large sunni arab partner there. let's get into a little politics here. jeb bush offered yesterday the toughest criticism yet of his brother's presidency at an event in con courtcordncord, new hampshire. here's how he responded about whether there's any "space" between him and george w. bush on the issues. >> i think that in washington during my brother's time republicans spent too much money. i think he could have used the veto power. he didn't have line-item veto power but he could have brought budget discipline to washington, d.c. >> to add context to this statement, total federal spending under gohreorge w. bush had an annual spending rate of 7%. president obama's had had an annual growth rate about 4%. this is a criticism you and other republicans have made of george bush. >> since 2003. jeb bush had a decision to make. this actually is strikes more to

the heart of the conservative base than the debate about 2003 and the war. is he going to be his brother on spending? when george w. bush became president, we had $155 billion surplus and when he left we had a trillion dollar deficit. the national debt doubled from $5.7 trillion to over $11 trillion. it's just continued. george w. bush was a classic big-government republican and it was miserable on spending. wouldn't veto a bill mika and jeb bush spoke out yesterday. he had to speak out on this issue and everything i've known about jeb bush as governor is that he is a small government republican but right now he has a long way to go to prove to the republican base he's not his brother. he tried to start yesterday. coming up on "morning joe," we'll go live to california where officials say the oil spill in santa barbara could have been far worse. that's not exactly comforting biologists who are dealing with the aftermath. also ahead, bear grilleylls is

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welcome back to "morning joe." let's go to baltimore now where the six officers charged in the death of freddie gray have been indicted by a grand jury. most of the charges are the same as those already brought by the state. among the differences, reckless endangerment charges were added against all six officers while false imprisonment charges against three were replaced with misconduct for an illegal arrest. state's attorney marilyn mosby says the indictment follows two weeks of grand jury proceedings. >> as our investigation has continued, additional

information has been discovered and as is often the case during an ongoing investigation, charges can be and should be revised based upon the evidence. >> the police union released a statement reiterating the officers are innocent until proven guilty and asked for the community's support. arraignment is scheduled for july 2. joining us now, best-selling author combat veteran of the united states army and long-time baltimore resident mr. wes moore. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> we're a few weeks removed from the riots now, these indictments coming in. as you've had a chance to absorb it all, what's the impact on baltimore? >> i think baltimore is still very much in a form of healing but i think the interesting thing is people often asked so what happens if there's no -- if the charges don't stick? what happens if there's no prosecution. i think the bigger question a lot of boltaltimoreans are asking is what's happen if that's all we're waiting for. in baltimore there have been 39

murders in baltimore city. last night we hit our 100th murder in baltimore city. last year the number was 71. so we're watching a kickup in violence what's happening in baltimore. the people understand that while reformation of police and while this case becomes very important, that the underlying issues are still very problematic. >> why the uptick in the murders? >> what's interesting is we're watching a correlation, and there's been a lowering in arrests and an increase in violence. >> i was going to ask. are the police afraid to go out there and do their job? >> i'm -- i don't believe that the police are out there actively not doing their job. >> but, you know it happened in new york after they fell to criticism, the police said okay, you don't want us to be aggressive, we won't be and they sat back and did very little. the murder race is starting to go up. i'm just wondering if the policing is -- that's happening because policing is going down and police are back on their heels? >> even the police commissioner baltimore says he doesn't think that the police officers are

actively not trying to do work. but he says frankly there is an air right now where police are trying to figure out what are our limits anded what are our restrictions as to what we can do. that is something that has become very real. it's a sense of apprehension taking place amongst law enforcement but also amongst the community. and i think that level of tension between the two is something that i think it's difficult to understand the uptick without understanding those dynamics. >> what's the arrest rate? if you have increasing crime, what's been happening? if you can't prevent it, are arrests happening? >> same thing you're watching a down tick in arrests as well. often times what we're seeing with these cases, these rz the repeat violent offenders. ironically, when you're looking at bat t mortarltimore, it's 80 square miles, it's a legit american big city but it's not that large and when you're looking at the

concentration of crime, it's only taking place in a handful of neighborhoods. so that's the ironic thing about baltimore and other places around the country where you're watching this density of the violence. specifically in the past month. >> i get the feeling the community is being prepared for the charges to change adjust. that could be tough. >> it can be tough. >> we hear that. >> but at this point what i think is interesting it's much more fundamental. no matter how this plays out, this specific case the basic dynamics of this city aren't working so whether people are satisfied or unhappy with the way the legal process plays out, off still that's not working and indeed it's unraveling. >> and if you want to look at new york city as an example, i'm sorry, choices have to be made. this tragedy in baltimore outraged us just like ferguson, just like staten island but legal aggressive policing is what turned things around in new york city and what you said reminded me of what bloomberg

said that upset a lot of people when bloomberg had his exit interview foruiew for new york magazine. he said it's not hard to imagine where the murders come from. he mentioned the bronx and a specific part of brooklyn. >> we understand the courts get involved when everything else has failed. law enforcement kicks up involvement when all other structures have failed. when you look at the dynamics of what's happening, whether it be the kickup in violence in baltimore the police commissioner said police are having a difficult time policing west baltimore. that's from the police commissioner. so to understand that you understand this is not just about how do reform police. that has to be part of the conversation. but when you have a structure breakdown. when you have with 23% gross income in an area when you have the african-american male unemployment rate in those areas of the city 50%, 60%, you'll

have a difficult time trying to understand how do we police. >> and willie how do we police if the murder rates continue to go up you'll have people looking back at martin o'malley who was criticized after this went down saying do we go back to that sort of zero-tolerance approach that everybody was criticizing? i'm not advocating anything. but it a's zero sum game. you attack police put police back on their heels the murder rate starts going up. coming up on "morning joe," another day, another soaring high on wall street. we'll ask cnbc's sara eisen if gravity is poised to take over. business before the bell is straight ahead. plus, the presidential contenders have spent a lot of time debating whether they would have gone into iraq. the real question should be what are they going to do about it now. the daily beast ana marie cox and jamie weinstein join the conversation. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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welcome back to "morning joe," i'm halle jackson live along the santa barbara coast with the latest on the oil spill. the cleanup is expected to double in size with 300 responders o arriving to add to the 400 already on site. the cleanup operation now 24/7. but there's still a big question that's out there -- how did this oil spill happen in the first place? this morning, unanswered

questions about what caused this pipeline to break. >> they will take that piece of pipe they will take it and have it inspected by a third party, metallurgical engineers to determine. that could take weeks and months to get that information back. >> plains all american says it inspects the pipe every three years, above and beyond what the federal government requires. the company now on the hook for cleanup costs. >> where oil is spilled, a company will have to pay money for the recovery of that oil regardless of whether they took good care of the pipeline or not. >> so far, crews have recovered about 10,000 gallons of oily water. right now we've got five to six-foot swells, 20 mile an hour winds, you can feel it rocking back and forth and that can slow down a cleanup. 17 boats are working to corral the oil slicks with more booms arriving today. high above, nbc's miguel almaguer puts in the perspective. >> environmentalists say the true impact on not just the environment but animals will

take several days if not weeks. >> today we'll get our first look at the six pelicans rescued and responders also found an oiled sea lion who will be treated at seaworld. how did you get him into the crate? >> he walked right in. >> rescuers are bracing for more knowing it could be days before they see the true scope of this spill. typically this state beach behind me would be packed with people but this one will remain closed for memorial day as will another state beach just to the south of us. joe, mika? >> nbc's haley jackson, thank you. >> that was great. great reporting. >> now turning to our political round table -- >> you want me to take this? >> i'm good. we have columnist in for the daily beast and contributor to bloomberg's -- >> see you still have the list. >> ana marie cox and senior editor for the daily caller jamie weinstein. she got adult braces. it's been -- >> that's a problem. >> is it bad? >> you can barely notice. >> not at all.

>> yesterday she came on the set and said. [ lisping ] "i can do this. >> am i going to have to get them removed? >> just drink so you can have an excuse. >> you might as well wait. >> hillary's rollout. >> i'll do this. so ana, you talked about hillary once again trying to rebreaux introduce herself. the new nixon, the new hillary. >> she's been doing it 230rfor 30 years now. it's almost pathological. it's when you go to a cocktail party and someone keeps telling you their name. "by the way, i'm ana. did we meet? i'm ana." she doesn't even do the d.c. thing about "it's nice to see you." she wants to make a first impression over and over and over again. the crazy thing about it is i know you guys have talked about this, no one doesn't have an opinion on her. she's already introduced herself so much, she's so well known, the number of people who don't

have an opinion on her approaches zero. so to keep reintroducing yourself makes it a part of who you are that you don't know who you are. that's part of her identity almost. >> it's fascinating. jamie, we've been showing bloomberg focus groups of democrats and heilemann said what if she were responsible for conspiracies surrounding john wilkes booth killing abraham lincoln? what if she were to detonate a nuclear bomb in los angeles. that's cool. i mean it's -- for republicans that's what these focus groups sound like. even mika was shocked. that i don't care about the e-mails or the money. hill are is going to confound republicans just as her husband did through the 1990s. >> i'm not so sure. i think her husband is a better politician and while she may keep that democratic base can

she reach out to inspectdependents. i know people think the e-mail doesn't matter and it's a beltway issue, but this type of narrative that you're secretive, deleting e-mails, we've seen it take down her poll numbers in trustworthiness. >> can i stop you for a second? i'm having flashbacks. you do sound like dan burton in 1996. [ laughter ] . that's not a knock. >> i don't know if he was born then. >> that was the year of my bar mitzvah. >> but a, that you were there in the '90s. i've heard it all before. we had joe comparing me to the hundreds of 1943. it got rough and i said you should write something about it. >> can't we just start republishing columns from 30 years ago? >> i was sick of this in 1999 and here we are fighting the same fights and you just feel like as a republican like oh,

the clintons. they're going to get away with it. >> we might have to talk about policy or something. it's sort of crazy. we might need to get away from personality. >> isn't this what's so confounding, ana? after that big blowup i said this is the thing about the clintons they can't get out of the way of themselves. like bill clinton, it took bill clinton getting out of office for republicans to stop and go oh wait he may have been more conservative than george w. bush on a lot of things. >> to look beyond personality and his style -- >> but they don't let you -- they never let you get through the weeds. that's the frustrating part. >> if you look at -- the thing that sparked my column was the video that buzzfeed of hillary clinton being interviewed 30 years ago. it's a remarkably substantive interview, things have changed but what's weird is her personality isn't the thing on display, she's talking and you're like, oh i like that person. that person knows who she is. >> and i always talk to people

that know hillary. i've known her for some time not really personally but i like her a lot. she's likable. she puts on the political helmet. . a guy, though jamie, that iowa voters don't like don't dislike, they just don't care about. these focus groups show what i've been seeing in every republican event i've gone to jeb bush. he's like the -- i want to be careful here. but they sort of -- the consistency of a marshmallow. they just don't care. they don't hate him. yeah, i respect him, he's okay. they don't like him. nobody's excited about jeb bush. >> including, it seems at this point, jeb bush. [ laughter ] jeb bush has to show more passion than he has so far, at least from what i've seen. i saw him at the national review summit a few weeks ago. it didn't seem like he had the fire in the belly. maybe it's there and hasn't

emerged yet. he has an interesting record to tell about his governorship in florida. if he can tell that in a passionate way maybe he'll get the iowa voters to care. right now he has to show passion. >> i'll ask you what i asked mark halperin. in all the events you've been to, cto cpac, new hampshire, have you seen people say "i came two hours to see jeb bush. i love jeb bush." >> no but that's sometimes overrated. in 2008 and 2012 if you said who would be most likely to say they drove hours. it would be ron paul. he didn't win a single primary. sometimes overpassionate people that are driving two hours don't necessarily win. >> but in iowa and new hampshire, establishment candidates that don't spark excitement end up like george w. bush in new hampshire in 2000 or end up like george h.w. bush in

iowa in 1988. >> but that's where we see maybe iowa isn't as an important marker as it used to be. you get -- passionate people get votes in iowa but they don't necessarily last throughout the process. . i think if jeb bush's competition in the charisma competition is scott walker he has no worries. i don't know if the base is looking for someone who's passionate, they're looking to be passionate about someone. which is where the problem with jeb is. they are passionate about scott walker who himself is just kind of a wet pillow. >> a wet pillow? >> i'm telling you, watch him. >> i don't know that the wet pillow is an endorsement. >> i don't get that but okay. >> sounds very uncomfortable. >> time now for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. i can do this. >> sara what's going to be moving the markets today as cindy brady tries to talk. >> cnbc's sara eisen.

>> sounds like a party in there. what i can tell you is that stocks look set to be heading for their third week of gains. that's something we haven't seen since back in february. it's positive. sessions have been sleepy not huge moves. the path of least resistance seems to be higher. janet yellen will be speaking later this afternoon. when she speaks traders watch every word. they want to know when she's thinking about taking us out of this zero interest rate crisis style stimulative mode in monetary policy. that will you be important. on wall street it's been a huge week for retail earnings. . we've been trying to figure out the puzzle of the american consumer. after the cold winter what is the strength and state of the consumer? here's what i can tell you now that we've heard for a number of retailers. americans are spending their money on electronics and and at leisure.

sports clothes and sportswear. you see that in the strength we saw out of something like foot locker this morning and the weakness in earnings like macy's and walmart, other big gainers of the week were best buy. so you can see this divergence and where americans are spending their extra money. overall in a kind of sluggish environment. and while we're on the subject of retail walmart, which is not only the world's biggest retailer but also the biggest food retailer in the united states has come out today and urged its suppliers to be more careful and cut the use of antibiotics in farm animals and improve their treatment. obviously this is a part of a broader trend in movement where consumers want to know what's in their food and how those animals are being treated. walmart has faced pressure before from animal rights groups like mercy for animals so it's a big statement in an ongoing theme of what we're seeing in this country. >> sara eisen, have a great weekend. best buy strong earnings talk about going back to 1999.

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weapons. i really want to know can i get out there on the island and survive on my own? >> i would describe my upbringing as very privileged. i can't say i've ever starved. i've never been very uncomfortable for long period of times. my greatest survival skill is probably google. >> yeah judd it's going to be a hell of a rough time for you out there. you can who cannot tell that jud may have come from a privileged background. that's "the island" hosted by the ultimate adventurer and survival expert bear grylls. bear is also out with his latest book "extreme food," what to eat when your life depends on it. and ana has the first question. >> ana, take it. i can't talk. >> so if i was dumped out into the wilderness, what would be the most useful thing for me to know how to do? >> well i think most people get in trouble because they panic. they get scared. you suddenly feel like this is going wrong and panic builds and

people make bad decisions and make a bad situation worse. so the best thing is the stop, assess and remember your priorities. remember what's first, protection, rescue water, food. so first of all protect yourself from the elements. you can die in minus 45 degrees wind just like that. so protection from the elements whether it's heat or cold. >> so i don't hear paint a volleyball. >> we've got to give her proper skills here. we haven't got time for quips. water. you can live three days without water. 30 days without food. water first, then food. >> mika is freaking out. you're eating the neck of a zebra here. >> i was hungry. >> let's go to the steady cam mika, that would be to your right. bear, explain exactly what part of the zebra's neck you find the most appetizing. >> well this was in kenya and i came across this and it's a lion

kill. and what the lions do they'll kill and eat the soft organs first so the liver, kidneys, heart then they need to brink and literally they're left and i can get into the neck and take nice steaks off it. wild food never tastes good but it's about staying alive and the island show shows this full off. these guys are totally untrained. i give them a day's training then they're dropped with no contact. no camera crews, no rules, no eliminations, no prizes. it's just regular guys. it's a study of masculinity, modern day man. have we gone soft or when we strip back these layers of the things we hide under like being funny or fast or quick or intelligent that don't mean very much. >> so being funny -- >> it's all a shield. it's all a shield. >> i can't amuse myself into

life. i have to know how to do things? >> but that counts forso much because cheerfulness in adversity matters. but you learn about people, who thrives, who crumbles and you say about jud, you know but i've learned don't judge a book by its cover because some of these guys you think will be brilliant crumble and it's a search for an american hero. >> it's amazing something like this you can find somebody's character and figure out what -- i talked to people that have gone to army survival training and they've been shocked sometimes. that i see the big 6'4" guy who crumbles and starts weeping. >> broken. >> after a day and a half and some little guy that nobody thought had it in him had the strongest character. >> so true. we're a bit like grapes. you don't know what we're made of until you squeeze us. the island is the ultimate pressure cooker for these guys so it was a baptism by fire but the end result was inspiring and

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