quadruple murder just appeared in court. the dark secret from the duggar family is now public. and the republican-led congress is on the verge of upending national security. but first when it comes to presidential politics there are no holiday weekends. it is friday may 22 pendant 22nd, and this is "now." i am the governor of new jersey. i have tended to develop the reputation of being a little bit direct and blunt. conduct yourself like that in a courtroom, your rear end's going to get thrown in jail idiot. the presidential election is not the miss america pageant. >> you know me as george and barbara's boy. if you don't, then i don't know where you've been. >> we have to elect a republican president in 2016 who knows how to fight -- >> and win. >> if you don't walk your talk then you're just a blowhard and

and -- >> the countdown to summer is on. but for the 2016 race there is no rest for the weary. while you may be packing up for a long weekend, white house hopefuls are packing in the events as the summer campaign season gets a jump-start. for hillary clinton, it is the second visit to new hampshire for her 2016 campaign as she continues to face the fallout from her tenure as secretary of state. right in the middle of her first event at the smutty nose brewery, the first batch of benghazi e-mails courtesy of clinton's private server were released to the public by the state department. >> these that are being released today have been in the committee jurisdiction, they were given to the committee some months ago and now finally those are getting released. so it's beginning. i just would like to see it expedited so we can get more of them out more quickly. >> as for republicans, today brings the latest cattle call in a crowded field. this time the southern republican leadership conference

in oklahoma city. governor scott walker rick santorum and rick perry have already wowed the crowds with appearances yesterday. senator marco rubio stuck in washington spoke by video feed just moments ago. governor bobby jindal is due to speak this afternoon. but earlier today it was jeb bush coming off a troubled two weeks on trying hard inging hard to project something like strength. >> our enemies need to twitch a little bit. they need to fear us a little bit. that's how you bring security and peace in the world. >> if jeb bush was just a little bit hawkish, new jersey governor chris christie brought every bit of his trademark bombaste as he fights to stay in a race that he hasn't officially decland he wants to be a part of. >> we're not going to beat hillary clinton because we nominate the most charming or attractive nominee. breaking news out of d.c.

where the d.c. mansion murder suspect daron wint was juston a first degree murt murder charge. >> we unsealed the arrest warrant today and we init end to unseal additional search warrants in the coming days. we'd like to take this opportunity to thank the local and federal law enforcement partners for their tireless work in investigating and apprehending mr. wint in this case. though mr. wint is now incarcerated and he's held without bond our work is not done. we will continue to investigate this case and bring all charges that are appropriate in the coming weeks. the residents of the district of columbia grieve with the savopoulos and figueroa family and we at the u.s. attorney's office will use the full force of the law to make sure justice is served in this matter. thank you very much.

>> who are others involved? according to the court documents? >> that was the u.s. district attorney for washington, d.c., i believe, reporting what the ap is also reporting, that more than one person may have been responsible for the slayings of four people inside that washington, d.c. mansion last week. we'll have more on that as it develops. now back to the 1016 campaign trail. joining me now, msnbc's national correspondent joy reid political reporter at "the new york times," nick confasori and jonathan capehart. this is what we call in the industry a very very hard turn. we ended the first part of the show with some sound of chris christie in trade morning bombast saying that america was not going to elect a beauty queen. we're not going to beat hillary clinton because we nominate the most charming and attractive nominee. bullying voters into maybe his candidacy seems like the best option for chris christie right now? >> how dare they even think

about -- the irony of that statement is that precisely the way you get elected to any office is by being the most charming and attractive candidate. it's exactly how you get elected. >> some charm is involved. >> i think he's discovered a new principle of political physics where if you make yourself so unpopular in your own home state with voters who feel like -- you eventually go through a warm hole and become the front-runner. >> the being john malkovich version. >> what else does he have to be like the blunt truth teller? he's gone after on social security which is not an easy topic. >> that's policy wise. jonathan, truth telling when it comes to himself and his candidacy. i mean the polling among new jersey residents when they say would chris christie make a good president is literally in the basement. chris christie this week said the reason for that is they don't want him to leave the governor's house. the new jersey "star-ledger" says that chris christie -- this is actually a headline -- has lost touch with reality.

so i mean i guess i wonder what kind of truth telling is it if the truth you're speaking is not tethered to this universe? >> governor christie is trying to make the best of a bad situation. when it comes to him saying you don't elect the most attractive or the most popular, he's trying to make his weaknesses his strengths. to bounce off what nick was saying that's also a tried and true political tactic. we all know -- well okay. he's not exactly the most attractive candidate and he is not exact lip the nicest candidate. why not try to use that as a strength? when it comes to new jersey and the people of new jersey his poll numbers have been sliding for a very long time. certainly at least since the bridgegate scandal. here he is unpopular at home not attractive with be not nice or friendly, and he's going to try to run for president. so he's going to try to make a really bad situation good. if he can. >> i guess i just wonder joy,

there are new rules that are being announced for some of these republican debates. the first one fox has said you have to have a certain percentage in the polls. is it possible that chris christie doesn't actually even make it to the first debate? >> i actually think, yes, it is possible. i think the fundamental problem for chris christie is chris christie became popular briefly in the republican mid-term iteration, because at that point what voters in the republican base wanted was somebody who would take it to obama, so the meaner you were or the harsher or more unpleasant and nasty you were, with the better because they translated that into somebody who might fight barack obama. but then when he sort of failed to take the fight to president obama in 2012 and seemed to kind of walk away from mitt romney he lost that test among -- >> bridgegate didn't do him much and nine credit downgrades and blowing a hole through the state's budget and reneging on an agreement with the -- >> and he's unpleasant! >> i guess i wonder this is the

king of king slaying, but to paraphrase "game of thrones"," where do you think jeb bush is? he's spent the last several weeks trying to navigate the admittedly difficult territory of the bush years. he started talking about his brother's fiscal record midweek which i did not think seemed like a very safe zone. do you think he is -- i mean some people called him a presumed front-runner. he hasn't officially entered the race. where do you think he's standing right now? >> i think he is the notional would-be front-runner if you consider he isn't in the race yet even though he's obviously in the race. the cash matters. he's going to dominate fund-raising. the truth is it's been a bad two weeks for most of the candidates. they're all struggling with the iraq question. there's this dissonance between foreign policy elite in the gop and their own voters. the war is very unpopular. the dominant opinion is let's just forget about it let's blame barack obama for messing

up the aftermath. now we have an opportunity because of who his brother was to dredge it back up. >> there are more questions to come, right, jonathan? it is not just the iraq war. there is the question of torture. there's the question of one of the great financial crises this country has ever faced. jeb bush hasn't been asked about those things yet and i guess judging by his pompls this week one by his performance, how prepared is he. >> when it comes to talking about the spending during his brother's presidency, that's the one area where he can part ways with his brother and actually do himself some good within the republican party primary base. because if there's anything those voters can't stand about president bush's tenure is that they believe that he strayed is away from conservative principles and was a profligate spender. so if jeb bush can part company with his brother in that regard and say if you support me if you elect me i promise i will

be the bush to rein in spending. >> i will be the bush! third one peais a charm! >> jeb bush has i think -- he's got the farthest to fall in a lot of ways because he is the nominal front-runner if there is one because of the name i.d. the problem is he still has to pick up a state at some point. it is hard to see how he competes in iowa. he has a must-win right away. >> joy in the "new york times" and the atlantic two respectable journalists both talk about the prospect of a hillary clinton/marco rubio match. i think there is a lot of stuff that sort of seems attractive about marco rubio, his story, his age, his energy. but do you think -- do you think if jeb sort of -- jeb's pitfalls are rubio's bargaining chips to

make his case for the party leader? >> i'll start out by just pointing out as a way of full disclosure i am probably the foremost marco rubio skeptic and have been for a long time. i think on paper the media loves him because he seems to be the latino ronald reagan and people can't resist him but marco rubio has a lot of issues too. as far as the base is concerned, he committed the ultimate sin which is to support immigration reform. that hasn't been litigated yet so he can play neocon right now and pivot off of jeb. when it comes to brass tacks, he has to explain whether he's for or against immigration reform. he's also made some public stumbles in terms of foreign policy. things he doesn't seem to understand. >> yes aside from the iraq war flub how much credentials and known track record did barack obama have at the same point in his career. listen. i think he has fluency on

policy. >> does he? >> yes. very smart. he impresses donors. he's got a good life story. >> his life story is untrue. he presented himself in exile. >> exactly. he's irresistible candy for the media. his foreign policy depth i haven't seen it. people give him all this credit for being this fantastic speaker. i haven't seen it. people give him that credit. i think he'll benefit from the credit he gets from us with be from the media who does like him. but the problem with marco rubio is the substance i don't think is there. >> i would be remiss if i did not bring up hillary clinton and the e-mails that dropped in the middle of her very orchestrated photo-op. how much of an issue is this for her? >> listen i think that it's a lot to chew on. it's complicated. it is going to take -- listen. it's friday on a holiday weekend. right? >> an interesting time to release the e-mails. >> mostly what i'm seeing are kind of minor headaches popping

out, exchanges she had with people, times she and her aides dissed reporters. i'm not sure the fundamental narrative on benghazi has changed a lot. there's interesting insights into where they were getting information, what they were thinking. but in terms of the stated purpose of the benghazi investigation, i'm not sure there is a huge smoking gun from this batch of e-mails. >> in this batch of e-mails. >> in this batch of e-mails. >> right. in this batch of e-mails. nick is absolutely right. i think maybe you, alex was the one who said this is happening on a friday of a holiday weekend. >> that was nick but we have -- >> of a complicated issue. lots and lots of pages. the clinton campaign has been dealing with this and hillary clinton herself has been dealing with this for months now. i don't think, unless there is a smoking gun in any of this it's not going to mean anything to her right now. >> it's not making a dent in the polls, something i think the clinton campaign is well aware

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>> what's happening here? republicans run congress. john boehner and mitch mcconnell work together they're members of the same party. how have we gotten to this point? >> you're being logical. you'll have to ask the republicans about that one. but, look. i think we all understand what history is of this bulk phone record collections program. it has been shown to be ineffective. even some of the most distinguished anti-terror specialists like those who are on the president's task force have said that. we've now had a major court say that it was illegal. and the reality is it is infringing on the liberties of law abaysideing americans. people say well this is just metadata. what's in effect data about data. when the government knows who you ka you will

called called, where you called and it's a lot of private information. >> the fbi director james comey, the u.s. attorney general loretta lynch have both said the country will be less safe it would severely affect the fbi in doing its work. what do you say to them? >> i would point out that this administration and loretta lynch specifically have endorsed the same bill that i'm calling for this afternoon. they have endorsed the usa freedom act, originally put together by a bipartisan coalition led by pat leahy of vermont. what we know is that those who really just think we ought to keep collecting all these phone records on law abiding people they always do the same thing -- they wait until the last minute. >> what happens if the usa freedom act doesn't pass? what i quoted james comey and loretta lynch, then the patriot act will expire and are you prepared to go that route?

>> first of all, i'm pulling out all the stops to get the usa freedom act passed. but it is important to note that because the house has gone home there's not going to be any short-term extension. the house went home. you cannot have a short-term extension. >> let me ask you this question one more time. i know we tried to tackle it last time. edward snowden praised senator paul's 10 1/2filibuster. he's reason we're having this debate. he's the centerpiece of a big congressional back-and-forth. does this vindicate edward snowden? >> again -- and we'll probably talk about this a number of times in the future -- i wanted this debate started by the leaders of the intelligence community. instead of they're starting a real debate they consistently fail to give the congress and the american people straight answers about this program. i'll leave it at that.

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user jeff gully 49 who "the new york times" identifies as jeff gullickson. analysis by "the new york times" found tweets with the "n" word and the name obama jumped significantly on monday the day of the president's first post. the white house response to all of the vitriol? essentially haters gonna hate. according to senior white house advisor dan pfeiffer we know those sentiments exist but you'd be missing a really good chance to engage with a lot of non-trolls if you stayed off the network because of the people doing it "it" being rage-filled racist tweets. randy cohen, host of npr's ask me another, ophera and dean

obidala. in terms of the internet is it just the face where evil doing can flourish unlike other public arenas? >> i think the platforms are different. i think facebook is nice. it is like going to a cheesecake factory. it is a fun thing. twitter is like a horrible place where you can communicate with people but trolls come in big numbers and i get a lot for my -- being progressive and for being muslim. stuff i get is crazy. the best advice for people is you can either block or mute them. this is a new thing, mute. they get blocked, they actually brag. you mute them they don't know it. mute, don't block and they don't know. stupid people think you still see their crap. >> i feel like the anger and hatred and racism that came out in the wake of the president literally saying hey it's me barack i'm on twitter makes me

feel bad about our society and our country. >> i should feel bad. i blame you for it -- >> imanticipate sorry for the twitter. what should this tell us something about our collective psyche? >> it is something we already knew but it is the end of manners. it is morons are in the dark shining in the dark. because it is anoen muss. when i wrote the ethics column in 20 years i never had a single anti- semitic remark. nobody ever used the "n" word criticizing the column. except in the comment section. anything went. it is a snake pit. >> is it because of the anonymity afforded is it. >> yes. there is certain language you can't use in society. when you're out with decent folks. with the anonymity of the net, it makes it possible. >> i think, too, on one hand you just go well welcome to twitter. this is not a surprise this is how people reacted. but i think there is a big leap

that anyone believes that someone's going to engage in thoughtful criticism of what? his policies? his opinions? on twitter? i don't really think -- >> i worry that this has been lying underneath the entire time. now that we have a mechanism that affords anonymity and endless comment, we see this horrific underbelly. and this angry, angry population. >> just quick thing -- it is not always anonymous people. i've had people with their name -- they don't care. >> "the new york times" contacted jeff gulllickson and he said how much are you going to pay me with an interview with the "new york times" to figure out why i put the president's head in a noose in day pegjpg form? >> america hasn't lost its entrepreneurial spirit. it is democratized in some way that we can all communicate but some people use and abuse it and they go in packs. i've seen it.

some on the right will move in packs. they'll come and attack and they'll troll. that's what they do for fun. they enjoy it. they're angry and they want to vent it at somebody. could be a muslim could be a gay, could be someone who's black. it could be a woman, of course. they'll do it and they'll come in packs. >> there's no punishment or retaliation. people kind of enjoy it. >> that sort of begs the question, is the advice that dan pfeiffer gave applicable to everybody who doesn't presumably have a twitter team to monitor the trolls? it is spiritually i think harmful to engage with some of these people even though there are a lot of really good ones. >> i never reply to the lunatic mail. >> to filter it is hard. >> how about this. how about the -- it's the president of the united states! how about if he didn't tweet? so what. the way a complicated policy can be reduced to 140 characters? who needs it? >> that's the -- >> what is he doing? give press conferences.

come to my house. >> that's another point. >> i just like the idea of the president going now i have to tweet. >> we'll never know if it was a joyful tweet. i will say, speaking of joy, there are a few countries in the world other than the united states of america that do not offer paid holidays or time off for their workers. in the u.s. 61% of low-income workers get no paid vacation. for those of us who do get time off, we are taking less of it. the average number of days has declined by over a week. why are we taking less vacation? >> it's wrong. i wrote an article a couple years ago entitled "vacation or die." for men, 30% greater risk of dying of a heart attack if you don't take a vacation. women, eight times more of a chance getting heart disease.

polls show that people take a vacation come back to work more optimistic, more efficient. >> that explains so much about my general -- the difference between men and women is having. because if you look at reasons people skip vacation 40% heavy work load upon return. 35% no one can do the work. 33% can't afford to take it. those have a lot to do with financials. 28% want to show dedication. 22% don't want to be seen as replaceable. these seem like sort of emotional -- >> you know what? i've seen it happen. i've seen people around being like oh that guy? yeah, he's on vacation all the time. who knows if he wants his job. maybe that guy is being more productive than all of us. that is probably the truth of is. >> that is an important feature. those who take vacations sometimes get vilified in the office place for taking the vacation. >> it is like people who come in when they're sick and infect

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i love my dad. in fact my dad is the greatest man alive. and if anybody disagrees with be we'll go outside unless you're like 6'5" 250 and much younger than me. then we'll negotiate. i'll still not going to change my mind for sure. and i love my brother and i think he's been a great president. >> that was jeb bush back in february offering one of his now familiar defenses of his family record which brings us to the all important question -- is that the ethical thing to do? this is basically tailored for you, randy. setting aside the politics if you can, i mean can he set aside the politics? is this ethically the right thing for jeb bush to be doing? >> expressing this loyalty to his family? >> yeah. constantly. >> yes, if you are a member of the corleone family. for whom personal loyalty, family relationship loyalty to the family is the highest ethical virtue. if you are running for, i don't

know, public office in a democracy, maybe you ought to have some loyalty to the country and you ought to honestly present the policies you believe in. >> do you think that it adds an emotional dimension to jeb bush though that in some way may serve his candidacy? he's so loyal that x, y and z? >> i feel like it is all a defense because at the same time he keeps saying like just let it go and he's like but what am i supposed to say? i don't love them. of course i love them. who's going to be like i hate my family. that would be the wrong way to go. but i think there is no way he can escape it. i feel like just so much contradiction. he's like i have my own life. i'm on my own journey. >> again, i'm playing the devil's advocate. the struggle in some ways does that humanize him? >> i guess on some level. no one is saying do you love your brother. do you agree with his policies

and going to war based on the intelligence we had. he's my brother. >> he's using it as a defense. >> i love my sister but if she led us to a war in iraq i would be very upset with her. i love you, but -- >> let's put hillary clinton in this sort of -- to go back to the sort of primal question around her candidacy, the e-mails on the private server. that's an ethical question as well. >> was it an ethical question for the 50 other public officials that didn't do that either? >> she's running for office and is the first person to run for office that's put -- >> that's set the bar pretty low. >> you don't think that's an ethical question? >> no. i don't think politicians as a group are less ethical than the rest of the population. i do think we've kree yeaeda created

a culture. it becomes policy problem. i feel just as comfortable leaving my wallet around hillary clinton or jeb bush. they're not weasels in that sense. its -- >> there are other kinds of -- >> some of them are policy weasels. jeb bush. but -- and some of them aren't insane, you know, many of the republicans -- they're certifiably mad. but hillary just seems like the rockefeller republican many republicans always dreamed of having. she's no better or worse. she was a corporate lawyer. she's a corporate lawyer now in her heart. >> and she's looking out for her hide, clearly. >> but not in a corrupt way. >> i'm sure some would disagree with that assessment. >> some? do they tweet? a i none muss anonymously? >> first, there were or yos.

then there were watermelon or yos. then at last -- s'mores or yos. we have them on set because the news guys are kind and benevolent. i encourage everyone to actually pick one of these up. here's my question. to you first, dean since i know you are such a fan of the cookie. should this -- first of all, should this not be called the smoreo. >> that's a nice thing. i'm not going to eat this. i don't like regular splorz. i don't like them made smaller like a cookie. i love oreos. i'm not going to eat s'mores. i'm not going to eat it as a cookie. >> can you even call this as or yo. >> this is definitely an or yoeo? >> what qualifies it as an oreo?

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duggar was under an investigation but was never prosecuted. a judge in arkansas ordered the documents destroyed. in a statement the duggar family said 12 years ago our family went through one of the most difficult times of our lives. when josh was a young teenager he made some very bad mistakes and we were shocked. we tried to teach him right from wrong. that difficult time caused us to seek god like never before. josh says i would give anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions. so, the duggars are associated with sort of a fundamentalist strain sfof christianity. but slate posits today that in fact the duggar family is more

of a cult than christianity. i wonder have we sort of been turning a blind eye to the darker sides of this that aren't really based in christianity? >> i think in some ways we've been taking the duggars' word they are evangelical christians. when you look at what they are actually doing, one is free to interpret scripture however one wishes and i'm sure they have a scriptural basis for a lot of what they do but it is a spevery specific form of christianity that probably doesn't even represent mainline eadvantagelevangelism. >> it's cyst patriarchyy the yar -- christian patriarchy. but i think letting the duggars

tell us what they're doing is more mainstream than it actually is. not that they have necessarily given rise to these allegations of sexual misconduct and molestation on the part of josh duggar but it does raise questions about faithfulness and forgiveness. mike huckabee came out today and said janet and i want to affirm our support for the duggar family. josh's actions when he was an underage teen are inexcusable but that doesn't mean unforgivable. he and his family dealt with it and were honest and open with it with the victims and the authorities. good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things. i actually think the sort of emotion under that the sort of sense of mag nannanomity. >> he left out the word "illegal." turns out the cop that they took him to to have a stern talking

to himself was convicted on child pornography charges. so i have doubts about how this was dealt with as far as the authorities, whether or not this underwent a full vetting under the law. we practice our religion at home and that's where the area of forgiveness comes in. personally we can forgive people and we should forgive people i agree. for goodness it is a good thing. but there also is a court of law. that is where he -- he committed a crime. statute of limitations happened to have run out but it was a crime. as far as extending forgiveness to josh duggar and not to others, for instance two men who want to get married and that kind of thing -- >> right. gay americans who would likely not be tolerated in this stream of christian patriarchy. >> they certainly aren't tolerated. but i want to point out in fact the world is changing so much

most americans with a christian affiliation support gay marriage. 40% of americans with a church affiliation support gay plarnlg. 6 marriage. 60% of catholics support gay marriage. . duggars are outliers on a lot of things and i think we need to be careful of painting this as a portrait of what "christians" think. >> one reason we want to talk to you about this is you recently came out with a beautiful essay and finding not just faithfulness in god but the practice of the christian religion. i wonder like how moments like this affect your desire to more fully communicate why you believe in what you believe. >> in some ways yes. i mean it does -- i believe that the best way to bear witness, as st. francis said preach the gross gospel always, sometimes use words. i think it is important for people to know there are people who are practicing christians who do not agree with the

duggars on these things and see -- i see my faith as completely congruent with my political views. if anything the charge that my faith gives me to be kind to others fits in exactly with my progressive liberal causes. >> anna marie cox, thank you so much for your time and thoughts as well. thanks it for us. "the ed show" is next. good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show. live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work! tonight, the blame game. >> when it comes to blaming people about iraq the person i blame is barack obama, not george w. bush. >> isis was created by barack obama. >> i believe this president has committed presidential plal practice in his foreign policy. plus a bombshell report. >> the duggars pea's oldest son josh is now apologizeing after reports he was once investigated on child molestation claims.