ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. thanks to you for tuning in. we begin tonight with developing news. hillary clinton weighing in on the fight against isis hitting back against gop critics of the obama administration's policy? well, i think it's a very difficult situation, and i basically agree with the policy that we are currently following. this has to be fought by and won by iraqis. there is no role whatsoever for american soldiers on the ground to go back other than in the capacity as trainers and advisers. >> she says isis is a serious threat but the american people don't want to get bogged down in another war. it's a serious answer a very different answer from the saber rattling we heard today from a

republican presidential hopeful. >> leading from behind is not a foreign policy. think about it. as isis continues its march to create a call fate taking over ramadi and growing in its influence in syria and also spawning other forms of islamic terrorism, not just in iraq and syria but around the world leading from behind is not a policy. our enemies need to twitch a little bit. they need to fear us a little bit. that's how you bring security and peace in the world. >> it's the same old gop playbook scare the american people into voting for you. jeb is not alone. >> no one around the world will doubt the resolve of the american people and no one will resolve -- will doubt our strength again, because i will say it directly whether i'm saying it to a friend like prime minister harper in canada or to an adversary like vladimir putin in russia or the ayatollah

in iran. >> he talked you have to. that's not policy. it's a campaign slogan. and make no mistake. this is all about 2016. >> if you are like me and despondent and full of despair over how america's role in the world has been diminished and how america's confidence at home has been destroyed after just seven years of barack obama, imagine what the spirit of america at home and its reputation around the world would be if we added on to that eight years of hillary rodham clinton. >> one thing she can't say is that i was a secretary of state during a time when there was an effective foreign policy. she can't say that because she was right there with barack obama. >> it's a one-two punch. hit president obama and knock out hillary clinton. but why does the gop wanted to make 2016 all about foreign

policy? because on the social issues that have been the party's bread and butter they are getting more and more out of touch. a new poll out today shows for the first time in 15 years the same percentage of americans describe themselves as socially liberal as consider themselves conservative. the numbers for liberals are growing while conservatives are falling on issues like same-sex marriage. the country is changing but the gop isn't. even now, not one gop candidate has endorsed same-sex marriage so the country is moving forward but it's unclear if the gop is doing the same. joining me now are e.j. dionne of the "washington post" and

form er former governor of pennsylvania ed rendell. the gop is losing ground on social issues but can they convince voters they are credible on foreign policy? >> well i think there are a couple of things going on here. the first is that if you look at the polls, republican primacy voters rank foreign policy a lot higher in answering the question what are you going to vote on in 2016 than either independents or democrats do. so a lot of this is purely directed to gaining some ground in the republican primary. but i thought it was really striking that hillary clinton did not in any way try to distance herself from president obama because i think she knows that yes, americans are upset, maybe a little nervous about isis but they do not want american troops back in iraq and the problem for the republicans is the logic of what they are saying is somehow or other they

will have to send somebody there or do something that we're not doing now to justify all that rhetoric, and i think hillary clinton feels she's on strong ground right now with a vast majority of the american people on this. >> you know, governor hillary clinton, talking about foreign policies, she said today that there should be no american boots on the ground. isn't that really what the american people want to hear? >> absolutely overwhelmly and interesting, rev you said something very pertinent. the republicans have decided they can't win on social issues. they can't win on the economy anymore. the affordable care act is getting more and more popular as more and more people are covered and more and more people are finding out its benefits. the economy has come back significantly. it's not all the way back but it's moving in the right direction. americans are starting to feel more optimistic about the future. they can't win on anything else so they are trying to saber

rattle and scare the american people and hopefully win on foreign policy but they don't understand that hillary clinton is a tough cookie. if they want to bring her back and have her testify on benghazi, i welcome them to it. hillary will put them in short pants. >> well, you know e.j. it's interesting when you talk about foreign policy with the republicans because jeb bush might want to make this election about something other than foreign policy because he's not a perfect messenger there. politico reported today even his brother's former advisers are bashing jeb over his answers on iraq. quote, the aides and confidants who helped steer the george w. bush white house have criticized re-tweaked and prodded jeb bush over his bungled remarks. it's emphasizing foreign policy going to work for jeb, e.j.? >> no, i think it hurts him twice over. first of all, he did have a

very, very rough time over a period of four days and, look i sympathize with somebody who don't want to throw his brother under the bus but he really started in one place and ended up in a completely different place, but also it's not as if americans look bag right now and say, boy, do we long for george w. bush's foreign policy. i mean we can have all kinds of recriminations over what's happening with isis now but it's clear that isis arose after a whole series of actions beginning with the invasion of iraq that happened under george w. bush so yeah i think jeb bush would prefer not to run on important policy but as governor rendell said social issues don't work very well right now and as long as the economy is doing well that's not going to help them either. >> governor, another big story today is the state department released nearly 300 e-mails hillary clinton sent and received duringler dealing with

libya -- u.s. dealing with libya and the benghazi attacks. she was asked about that today. listen to this. >> i've said from the very beginning i want them to release all of them as soon as possible and they are in the process of doing that. it's beginning and would i like to see it expedited so we can get more of them out more quickly. >> now republicans want to go after hillary clinton over benghazi but politico reported gop insiders say benghazi could work to clinton's advantage, one new hampshire republican said quote, hillary is at her strongest when she answers her critics head on. she should embrace it and hope her opponents overplay their hands which they could do easily. how could this backfire on republicans, governor? >> hillary don't have to hope they overplay their hand. they will overplay their hand. they always do it.

it puts hillary in a position of being a strong leader. responds to a gang of mostly men ganging up on her and fires back and wins the argument point by point. it frames her in a very advantageous position and if benghazi sort of lurking in the american consciousness, and i don't think it is to a great degree, i don't think many voters are going to vote on benghazi, but if there are some out there who are thinking about it it will give people a chance to explain by every congressional committee that looked at that there was no culpability on the part of the administration. if there was culpability it was the republican congress who cut the money for the embassies. >> on the gop side there's controversy about the fact that the first debate will be limited to the candidates in the top ten of national polls. i want to play you what rick santorum said about that.

>> in january of 2012 i was at 4% in the national polls, and i won the iowa caucuses. i don't know if i was last in the polls but i was pretty close to last so the idea that a national poll has any relationship as to the viability of a candidate ask rudy giuliani that. >> he makes a fair point, e.j.? >> i think msnbc should invite all candidates excluded from the fox debate. it could be a very interesting evening. when you look at how low some of these candidates are nationally they are going to do it by polling.

i think both inside fox news and outside it's going to be a very interesting evening. >> well i would support the picket. we're all about inclusion. demand inclusion. i like the msnbc idea too, e.j. e.j. dionne and ed rendell, thank you both for your time tonight. have a nice weekend. >> good to see you, reverend. >> still ahead. breaking news on the d.c. murder suspected. authorities tonight saying they do not think he acted alone. also, the stunning allegations of child molestation against reality star and conservative icon josh duggar. tonight a gop presidential contender is standing by the family. plus tragedy in omaha. how a murdered police officer touched lives and made a

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breaking news tonight. authorities say more people could be involved in the gruesome quadruple murder in washington. late this afternoon the prime suspect daron dylon wint was arraigned on first-degree murder charges in a d.c. court. u.s. marshallss apprehended him last night where it started, in washington and charging papers allege that all four victims were held alive in the d.c. mansion by wint and others until $40,000 were delivered to the victim's home. the charging papers also allege the crimes required the presence and assistance of more than one

person. today the u.s. attorney said the investigation is far from over. >> we unsealed the arrest warrant today and intend to unseal additional search warrants in recent days. though mr. wint is incarcerated and held without bond our work is not done. we'll continue to thegt have case and bring all charges appropriate in the coming weeks. >> the question now. who else might have been in the house and what might their roles have been in this crime? joining me now is matthew fogg retired chief deputy u.s. marshal and jim cavanagh msnbc law enforcement analyst and former atf special agent. thank you poet for being here tonight. >> thanks reverend appreciate it. >> thanks reverend. >> others were involved but no other arrests have been made. what's your take?

? >> yeah. i think they really had others involved like they said in the affidavit, reverend al. we don't know exactly what they had. one thing that did stand out in the affidavit is they had a witness who saw the porsche drive on u.s. avenue northeast going out of washington towards maryland, and the witness said that the man had short cropped hair and was wearing a neon vest which was found in the burned out car, the neon vest and similar vests were in the savopoulos house. now wint does not have short crapped hair. you can see his booking photo. you showed it on the lead-in so that's the one public indicator that the detectives say who is driving that porsche because whoever is driving that porsche from the murder scene to where it was burned is involved. now, could that have been wint and the witness was mistaken or was that an accomplice? and they may have other signs at the crime scene. when you're in a crime like this, four people controlled three adults and a child. tied up and held a long time. you know nobody discovers them.

it just feels like there's more help, more people involved but it's not an absolute but they could find a fingerprint on the duct tape and other dna on pizza, bloody footprints under something protected and covered in the fire. we don't know what they are, but they are certainly looking real hard like there might be accomplices. >> you know, matthew, three men and two women were arrested with wint. they were all traveling together at the time in a sedan and a box truck. at least $10,000 in cash was found in the truck. today investigators said that the denomination of the money is consistent with the money delivered to the victims' home, so we -- we see that they were with them. they had $10,000, the denominations matched the same denominations in the savopoulos' home who were the victims. what are investigators asking the people who were with wint?

>> well the main thing is they want to know if they were involved at all. they are asking every question that you can imagine that would tie these individuals to any type of conspiracy any type of conversations with -- with the suspects so they are asking a myriad of questions to try to figure out if there was any involvement as well as looking at detective cavanagh -- investigator cavanagh just said fingerprints on duct tape, if there's any more dna so it is a myriad of questions and investigations going on right now. >> now, jim, the charging papers allege that someone called witness one who appears to be the victim's driver the savopoulos driver. he was the one who brought the moneyed to the house. he changed his story several times about how he got the money. the report says as detectives continued to question witness one, it changed its accounts of

the event regarding how it received the package, where it left the package and when it was told to get the package. jim, what do you make of this? is it possible this person was involved? >> well it's too early to tell. i mean sometimes people are just lousy witnesses. they can't remember things. they don't think details are important. they just mess things up. i mean that's possible it's that. it's possible he's involved. i'm sure the homicide bureau is looking at that very heavy, and that's a great point reverend al, but also when you talk to the marshal, what a superb job by the marshal service that one of the top agencies in the world of doing this stuff what, a great job they did but recovering that bundle of money. the affidavit said it was four bundles wrapped in white bank wrap specific to the bank four bundles of $40,000. here's a bundle they find. so now you've got wint -- his downis atna is at the murder scene

and he's stopped by the marshal's task force and in the caravan there's money, probably from the bundle from the delivery to the savopoulos house. so one pack of the four packs, so back and forth, so they are starting to put this case together. it's starting to come together slowly, but, you know know it's not the end. it's not the beginning but as churchill said maybe it's the end of the beginning, so it's going to be a long process from here on in. >> matthew, when we were on the air last night this time we thought we had reports he may be in brooklyn. then he found him in washington. >> right. >> give us an idea of what a you know multi-state manhunt like this entails for marshals. >> right. well, one of the things was they were in touch with nypd new york city, any place that they thought this man may have gone. they would have been in touch with those detectives up there, and from what i understand when the guy -- when the suspect

learned for marshals and the detectives were close on him he immediately fled and came back to washington, d.c. and a lot of times these suspects will do that. they will go to the closest friends. they will run to that direction. once the marshals got word this morning through sources that this guy was at the location where they -- not this morning but when they captured him, they followed him once they got enough resources on area and made sure they had enough support backup with the prince george's county police helicopter, all the resources they had. they made sure they had enough manpower there because, of course this is a very dangerous guy. we knew this guy would want to shoot it out with police and when they had enough support personnel on the scene that's when they decided to take him down and in that process we're waiting to see if they will meet with other people if there will be other evidence that we can have to make certain that we can solidify this crime to determine exactly what happened. >> matthew fogg and jim

cavanagh, thank you both for your time. have a good weekend. >> thank you. >> thanks, reverend al. still ahead, the duggars lose their tv show after those explosive allegations about child molestation. why wasn't this case handled in a normal way? also, a republican lawmaker's bizarre statement about the ayatollah and president obama. and a shruggy emoticon hits the senate floor. reverend al's report card is next. ♪ if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands...

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more than a year before contacting authorities. nbc reached out to both josh and jim bob and neither responded to our requests for comment. in a separate statement posted on their facebook page jim bob and michelle duggar called this one of the most difficult times of our lives and went on to say he made some very bad mistakes and we were shocked. the investigation was open in 2006 after a caller contacted producers from the oprah winfrey show and in turn contacted the department of human services. >> josh duggar resigned from his job on the research family council, a research lobbying group. the incidents were previously unknown to the group and this is the best decision for josh and his family at this time. >> duggar will not face criminal charges in these cases because

the statute of limitations has passed. as the show grew in popularity duggar used his voice to push conservative causes he cares about. he rallied against same-sex marriage and abortion saying they destroy family values. joining me now, our former child abuse sex crimes prosecutor wendy murphy and a member from the progressive advocacy group. thoings for being here. >> thanks for having us here. >> you bet. >> wendy, what do you think about the apparent year long delay before this was reported to authorities? >> you know, where to begin with the cover-up. it's just astonishing to me. some might say it's been reported these were people in his family so that's different. no no. when they are people in your family that you're hurting, that

makes it worse, not better. more of a crime, not less of a crime and we're not talking about some kind of incestuous romeo and juliet one time pat on the rear end. this behavior occurred over a long period of time and involved my estimation from the police reports a child as young as 4 so let's be clear. this was bad in such a serious way, felony bad, reverend al felony bad. >> and let me be clear. we do not know and are not' alleging who the victims may have been but let me ask you this, drew. what do you think about tlc pulling all of the episodes of the show? >> well i think it's a prudent move at this point. i mean looking at the whole situation, when it comes to me again and again is just hypocracy. that's the word staring in the face. the family research council, including its president, never missed an opportunity to describe gay people as perverts and sexual predators. josh duggar himself was involved

in a campaign to stop anti-discrimination protections in fayetteville arkansas that relieved hon the smear that lbgt specifically transgender people are child molesters and are preying on women and children. at every opportunity they smeared every member of the lbgt community to further their political ends. >> let me push you there. through his work with the family research council josh duggar spoke frequently about having principles and protecting families. listen to this. >> it was called an anti-discrimination ordinance, but the truth was that it was doing real quite the opposite in so many ways. we have to make sure that we're standing up for the rights of privacy and protecting the well-being of women and children in our cities. people from all across america will be coming together to talk about the issues of the day, including defending the sanctity of human life traditional marriage and defending religious

freedom. >> we feel like there is no more important time in our nation than to take a stand than now, and we're looking at what's going on around this country, it's important that we are willing to have the principles and we're willing to stand up for values. >> drew he's not been shy about voicing strong opinions. how will this play? >> well no he absolutely haven't been nor has his other members of the family. his mother had very disturbing robo calls about now transgendered people would attack women and children. if any good can out of this horrible situation, it's that this line that gay people are perverts and pedophiles and predators is going to be finally exposed and rejected as the smear that it has always been. >> you know former arkansas governor mike huckabee was quick to support duggar saying quote, josh's actions when he was underage -- underage teen are as

he described them himself, inexcusable, but that doesn't mean unforgivable. drew, what do you think of the response of governor huckabee? >> well, look i'm not here to tell governor huckabee how he should respond to the fact that kind of a close family friend and up close political ally has been accused of this, but do i think it's fair to look at how he's decided to respond to other issues that have come up. he was responding with outrage when gay and lesbian people were allowed to serve openly in the military. he responded with outrage every time we've seen laws to protect lbgt people at work who don't want to be fired simply because of who they are. he's responded with so much outrage to marriage equality that he's compared gay people to nazi propagandists and people who have sex with sheep. now he seems kind of stung by the judgment that he's feeling or feels the duggars have received, but he's responded with bitterness and judgment at every step along the way in our country's progress to legal equality for gay people and i hope frankly he remembers this

feeling the next time he decides he should be attacking gay and lesbian families in order to score some political points. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. wendy murphy and drew courtney thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks for having us. coming up running from california to maine. this real life forrest gump is running coast to coast for charity. my conversation with him from somewhere in the middle of arizona is ahead. and the tragic killing of a young police officer and mother in nebraska. how her community is honoring her service. stay with us.

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miles. 23-year-old barkley a llderslice is running across america to rays awareness and money to highlight the plight of global poverty. he's calling it project gump and he's looking to rays $10,000 for the steps foundation. the group has already invested $50,000 in microloans in east africa, built a well in mozambique and rebuilt a maternity clinic in senegal. barkley started his run in santa monica, california on may 9 and will finish in maine on august 16th. so far he's run over 400 miles. barkley joins me now via skype from somewhere in the middle of arizona. welcome to the show. >> hey how is it going? >> well i should ask you that

barkley. where are you right now and how far have you run today? >> i'm just outside flagstaff, arizona, ran about 28 miles today,'s day and now i'm just kind of resting for the rest of the day. >> now, what made you want to run across the country? >> well i was onkind of bored and trying to think of something i could do and i came up with running across the country. >> are you a runner normally? >> i have been for a few years. >> how did you end up raising money for the steps foundation? >> well i knew when i came up with this plan i wanted to do it for a charity but i didn't have one in mind yet and i wanted something running-related and something to fight poverty, and this was endorsed by professional runners and i e-mailed sarah hall one of the founders, and we talked about it and said it was a great plan so

i went for it. >> what do you hope happens with the money that you rays? >> she said $10,000 would be enough to build the well and village in africa without any water and hopefully i'll be enough to get that which would be pretty cool. >> what's been the host day out there so far? >> hardest day, in the mojave desert, real hot, real dry and i was supposed to meet up with my van at some point and there was mass communication so i ended up doing five or six miles than i was supposed to and there's like no water and i was dying out there. it was a rough day. >> wow. what kind of things are you seeing out there while you're running by yourself? do you have any company? >> there's a lot of animals, a lot of mountains, a lot of deserts. there's a lot of stuff to look. a a lot of stuff on the side of the road that's kind of weird, but, yeah it's interesting. >> are you seeing any support

and any contact on social media? are you connecting? are you people knowing that you're there? are they supporting? >> yeah. it's -- it's gotten i guess they don't

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marriage by popular vote. it comes just weeks before a potentially historic supreme court decision here in the u.s. at stake, whether the american constitution protects the right of same-sex couples nationwide to marry. now to a tragic story here at home. it comes from omaha. last night friends and family as well as fellow officers gathered to remember officer dearry orozco who was fatally shot by a gang member on wednesday. officer orozco had an impressive career with the police department but equally impressive was the number of lives she touched off duty. msnbc's has the story. >> reporter: for the past five years officer kerrie orozco went by a different title on the

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this memorial day weekend. soldiers planted flags on each grave at arlington national cemetery yesterday, an annual memorial to our fallen soldiers. schoolchildren also planted flags in illinois this week at a civil war cemetery. >> there were a lot of people who died for our country. >> we were putting our flags in -- in the grave to support people that fought for us. >> and last weekend a memorial exhibit at ft. bragg displayed soldiers boots, a remembrance of service members who made the ultimate sacrifice since 9/11. this memorial day weekend our country is in the midst of a new debate about how to take on isis. some propose sending thousands of troops into harm's way. we must think about the possible cost in human lives of that decision. we must think about those that have lost their lives this

weekend while we contemplate do we want to risk that again? we must also think about the veterans who still face many burdens and many challenges. we should love our troops that have given their lives this weekend and remember those veterans that are still among us. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. hillary clinton, winter soldier. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in truly beautiful san francisco, and today hillary clinton signed up for president obama's fight with the islamic state. asked about the recent setbacks fighting isis she said she agrees with the president's policies. meanwhile, the republicans signing up to oppose her