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released. everyone here has been combing through them. we'll talk about what we have learned so far in just a minute. a tense and dramatic night of voting in the senate with senators skipping town. it has no plan b if senators can't resolve the dispute over the patriot act. meanwhile, in ireland, this morning, they are counting the ballots. that country a heavily catholic country, the first in the world to put legalization of same sex marriage to a popular vote. i'll report on where that referendum stands as the votes come in. also on the show senator george mitchell the former majority leader the man who helped negotiate peace in ireland will be here to talk about the negotiations to prevent a nuclear iran. republican presidential contenders are starting their holiday weekends in oklahoma
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city. we'll head there to find out what was going on there. there was a big surprise vote in kentucky which makes us to wonder if hillary clinton could win that state in 2016. it's not as crazy a notion as you think. the reasons why and a whole lot more are on tap. we begin with something that's going to keep happening a lot. >> i'm glad the e-mails are starting to come out. this is something i've asked to be done as you know for a long time. and those releases are beginning. i want people to be able to see all of them. >> 296 e-mails that hillary clinton sent or received as secretary of state released yesterday. more than 800 pages in total. the release coinciding with her trip to a brewery on the campaign trail in new hampshire. the e-mails were the first of many batches that are going to be made public on a revolving
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basis by the state department over the coming year. "new york times" printing its on batch of e-mails online on thursday. the state department saying that the e-mails it released yesterday have already been sent to the special house committee investigating the 2012 attack on benghazi. it promises to make more e-mails available on a rolling basis. clinton has come under fire for using a private e-mail server and personal account to conduct official government business. friday afternoon's release including what may have been the final e-mail clinton saw from ambassador chris stevens. he's one of the four americans who was killed in that benghazi attack. that e-mail about a july 2012 visit from senator john mccain to libya. stevens warning the state department of increased violence. there are also more than 25 back channel memos passed along from clinton's close friend sidney blumenthal.
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he is someone the white house had blocked her from hiring. "the washington post" said the president's team considered blumenthal untrustworthy and prone to starting wild rumors the trove of newly released e-mails suggest that one tendency of clinton's inability to separate her long time loyalties at the business at hand. some of the e-mails redacted. one about the suspects in the benghazi attacks was classified by the fbi only yesterday. many lines of black adding fuel to suspicion that clinton has not been entirely forthcoming. >> i'm aware that the fbi has asked that a portion of one e-mail by held back that happens in the process of freedom of information act responses. but that doesn't change the fact that all of the information in the e-mails was handled
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appropriately. >> it was a private server though do you have some concern it was on a private server? >> no. here now to discuss we have a correspondent with the bbc who was traveling yesterday in new hampshire with hillary clinton. and who covered her while she was secretary of state. let me ask you if you could put a headline on what's been released, what came oud yesterday. this whole controversy over the e-mails. hillary clinton turned over a certain number of e-mails to the state department the rest she said have been destroyed. pre presumably she doesn't expect to be surprised. >> i think the one surprise -- it wasn't quite a surprise the one new thing was that e-mail that we saw forwarded to hillary clinton, an e-mail written by chris stevens on july 17th of 2012. so just a couple of months before the attack that killed
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him. which struck a very positive note. now, i'm not sure we can ascertain this was indeed the last e-mail she saw of him. i'm not quite sure how the e-mails are being released and whether it's being done chronologically. but i thought that was interesting. nothing that i've seen so far changes much to the story of what happened or what we know happened in benghazi. i wrote about it extensively as well in my own book. i spoke to a lot of people. it adds texture, it adds nuance and more contours. it doesn't change much to what we know has happened. on the issue of the e-mails from sidney blumenthal. i think it shows that hillary clinton, as was pointed out in that article values loyalty sometimes above everything else. she also values getting information from a wide array of sources. and she at the end, you know does the checks and balances on
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this. we see in the e-mails that she doesn't actually forward everything that mr. blumenthal sent to her to all wise hands at the state department to get their input on the information she got from mr. blumenthal. >> i'm curious how you interpret that. the blumenthal case is interesting to me. first of all, there's the simple fact the obama administration didn't want this guy working at the state department. now we find out -- it appears from these e-mails he was able to pass information to hillary clinton and she circulates it throughout the top officials. sidney blumenthal is working for the clinton family foundation, in business with entrepreneurs who wanted to do business in libya. does this race questions? >> certainly. i think the business connections with libyan official gicize the more worrisome part of the
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exchanges or rather the unwritten parts of those exchanges. i think when it comes to information that he passes on to mrs. clinton as secretary of state, the fact that she then goes to check this information with -- as i said you know very seasoned diplomats at the state department like the former ambassador to libya or the assistant secretary of state for foreign affairs. it shows she does do a checks and balance on the information she gets from him. but i think that what we're unable to tell at this point is to what extent to does it eventually influence her judgment of the situation and to what extent does mr. blumenthal's business connections with these people eventually filtered into the decision making at the state department. you would have to think when you have a big department like the state department it evens out. it shows had she valued loyalty
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people don't get cast aside from clinton world easily. at this point in time when the expectation that mr. blumenthal will appear before congress to testify, she won't cut him loose now. >> what is the path forward? he said he'll cooperate if he's called before the benghazi committee. sounds like they do want to call him. that's going to happen. there is a dispute they want to hear from hillary clinton they want it in private session. >> i think this is unfolding. what i can tell you is that people at the state department are quite unhappy with how this has added a lot of work to what is already a big burden for them trying to run foreign policy, mask manage conflicts around the world. this has left a mess in the -- mrs. clinton left quite a mess behind at the state department
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by her decision to use a private server and e-mail. now, from my conversations with people in the building they don't seem to think there was anything nefarious going on it does mean they have to sift through all the e-mails before they are released because it is about policy sensitive. this is a democrat administration she's a democratic nominee, it adds burden to them. 296 e-mails, out of 55,000. you can imagine the burden on the state department. >> thank you for your time this morning. let's bring in this morning's panel. we have catherine, amy, and sabrina. so let me pick up this conversation, i think about sidney blumenthal. this is interesting to me. we always talk about these blasts from the past with the clintons. here is somebody who you talk about the clintons you go back
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20 years you're talking about him. it is -- this was in the washington post she said what blumenthal represents is a certain type who you will find that hilry surrounds herself. he shares her view. she is surrounded by enemies and dark conspiracies. you see that and the obama administration doesn't want this guy around. they think he started rumors about barack obama in 2008. look at this it turns out he's got this regular pipeline to her. >> what's amazing about this whole scandal is that it shows kind of a short sightedness in the clinton camp that she's too smart to do this and she keeps doing it. it's like watching a 3-year-old play chess and they think they've won and somebody else moves. this private e-mail server she
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thinks she's a move ahead but she's two moves behind. this whole release of documents, it seems insane. like, is there a scenario at which point trey gowdy will be looks good to me you're right. you've released everything that's important. >> she can never reach that moment, right, because the whole issue here is there are deleted e-mails. she's only turned over -- she's on the honor system. she'll say all those deleted e-mails weren't relevant. if you don't want to believe that you will say there is thousands we never sglau the background of every drip drip of something that's a little dodgy. the background of this is this is the clean stuff. if we've got our first bash -- >> here view would have been the other stuff would have been about yoga classes. >> i think maybe two people in the entire planet who believe
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that. this is -- i'd like to think that hillary is spending a lot of time doing yoga and being centered for her campaign. >> she sleeped until 10:00 in the morning. >> that's something we learned. >> another president who did a lot of sleeping coolidge. >> one of the issues republicans won't let this go. we know this is one of the main lines of attack that they have against the clinton presidency campaign. trey gowdy has come out swinging saying there are so many missing e-mails. they happen to be concentrated in the months leading up to benghazi. they're trying to frame this narrative they have deliberately, the clinton campaign and her aides deleted the e-mails that are relevant. >> are they having success? there is two ways of looking at this, raising questions about hillary clinton's honesty. this is from quinnipiac last month, is hillary clinton honest and trustworthy, 54% said no.
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the benghazi issue that there's a cover up here are they getting any traction there? >> i've been watching this issue for a long time. because republicans have continued to investigate, this is really a rallying cry for the base for the republican base. in insights people in the primary process, it's a stump line kind of incident where you only have the hard right that thinks there a conspiracy here. i don't think this is going to be translating to the broader electorate. i think this e-mail controversy has the legs to follow hillary clinton to the actual general election. because people at home she's losing points for honesty and trustworthiness her standing in the polls has been unphased in a longer sense. >> is that going to hurt her, the majority of the country says, not honest and trustworthy? >> it would be interesting to see polls on politicians in general. do you think politicians are generally honest and trustworthy, they probably won't say no. you have to vote for someone.
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>> that's where we are now. >> no, i'm actually kind of -- >> bill clinton got reelected i think it was 57% said he wasn't haunt and say trustworthy. >> i do want to say, this is something of a beltway scandal. i disagree with catherine that there's only two or three people that don't believe that there's nothing to hide there. i think there's a lot of people who believe that she's probably basically turned over what she needs to turn over. she has enormous amount of support in one pocket of the kraekt. country. everybody has already made up her mind. there are very few people on the fence. there is no one who is on the fence going to say i didn't think she was not trustworthy now i don't. >> there is a leadup period where there are people who would think she would be the best choice but they don't love her
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and the kind of drip drip of this and whatever else is coming, and there will be more, is i think it's -- it would be easy to underestimate. at some point people go from okay to ugh. >> i think that's what tripped her up in 2008 against barack obama. ultimately people started thinking back to the 1990's. they said what did they not like? they had good memories of the policy outcomes and they remembered the drama around the clintons. >> i don't think that's actually that strong a point o. i don't think -- that's a beltway thing that we talk about clinton fatigue. >> there is something here -- >> hold on -- but you're retelling 2008 a little bit not giving obama not enough credit for being new and exciting. it was the contrast but -- >> that's a stark contrast between different kind of politics. >> hillary clinton verses the
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fresh excitingness of sanders. >> marco rubio is one i'm thinking of. >> like right now she's in a position where she doesn't have to be fresh new and exciting unless marco rubio gets traction. everyone else she's running against or jeb bush, to the obvious point, she doesn't have to be fresh and exciting. it's just bush versus clinton. i think there is something -- i actually want to get back to the point you started, sidney blumenthal. i find to be the most disturbing thing in these e-mails. he is kind of a scum bag and she cannot let go. >> that's your characterization. >> i find that to be the most disturbing part of the e-mails. that goes to the beltway scandal. i don't know how republicans are going to turn that into a major issue for the clinton campaign. it is something that we talk about here his influence on her, how does that affect her campaign. is she -- the fact she listens
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to this person who is passing on faulty intelligence to the state department. i don't think that average people sitting at home are tuned into that. >> this is something we will be hearing. this is the first batch. there is going to be a lot more. like it or not we'll have more e-mail stories throughout the campaign. coming up as we continue on this saturday morning, the results of that historic election on same sex marriage in ireland. former senate majority leader george mitchell the man who helped negotiate peace in ireland will be here to discuss the delicate talks to keep iran nuclear free.
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ireland will pass. ballots are still being counted as we speak. leaders from both sides of the issue say that the measure is going to pass. this would make ireland which is a predominately catholic country the first country to legalize unions nationwide by popular vote. nbc news bill neely is in dublin. >> good morning, steve. from dublin castle where the counting is almost over and a vote that is etset to make history. in the u.s. the issue of same sex marnltsriage is down to vinyl states individual states. they do things differently here. everyone decides. one couple voting yes on their wedding day to same sex marriage. >> if you want to you should be able to get married to the person you love just like we have. >> ireland is asking all its people yes or no to gay marriage.
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the vote counting suggests yes will be the answer. for many it will be a personal victory. >> i'm asking the person i love and me be treated the same way any other couple is treated. >> ireland was one of europe's most traditional conservative and catholic countries. but the church's power faded, home sexuality and divorce finally becoming legal two decades ago. in many rural areas and for many older men, legalizing gay marriage is a step too far. but one they may now have to accept. it's a change ireland's prime minister has pushed. >> it is a vote removing discrimination. it's historic. >> for critics of what may become the new law this is a bad day. >> every child has a right to a mother and father. and deserves the choice.
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>> campaigners for same sex marriage can celebrate a historic change as ireland becomes the first country in the world to legalize it in a national vote. and leaders from both sides are now accepting that the yes campaign has won. their supporters are gathered here in the sunshine to celebrate. the only question is how big will their margin of victory be. many people in ireland are rubbing their eyes in disbelief at how far, how fast ireland has changed socially from deeply conservative to a liberal country. back to you, steve. >> all right. bill neely reporting from dublin ireland this morning. still ahead, brand-new perk for the occupant of the oval office. really good news for america's liberals including why there are more of them all the time, stay with us. i need to look for a used car. but i just keep putting it off. it's daunting. what if i make the wrong choice? it's like, if i buy
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the headlines making news. let's take a look at what is in politico today. the headline social liberals equal conservatives for first time in gapllop polls. 31% of americans call them liberal. that is the same percentage the highest highest percentage since this question was asked in 1999. there is a distinction about that. >> i suspect a lot of it has to do with same sex emergency andmarriage. people refer to immigration reforms. the more republicans stepped up some of the rhetoric on the reproductive issue i think that has affected the shift.
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>> i agree. i think it's younger voters. i think in some ways remember how liberal was a bad word for long time. that is something you would call a political aopponent was liberal. i think conservatives are proud to call themselves in conservatives. in the way we talk about issues including all these social issues for millennials are taken as a given. same sex marriage they don't think about it as a controversy. it's hard to identify as a conservative. they're not -- there are a lot of issues out there that someone would look at and be like that's what i'm a conservative on. >> we just had that piece from ireland, it's the change there in 20 years, the change here in ten years. ten years ago the winning position on gay marriage in the presidential election was the conservative position. >> the democratic early debates, every democrat on the stage saying -- >> nobody was for it. >> i think this is -- it shows people are getting increasingly able to decouple social and
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economic liberalism which is for me as a libertarian encouraging trend. i'd like to welcome those social liberals over to more economically conservative platform platform. we see that people putting together their own political philosophy. more mix and match. i think people who want to let go of that pairing are willing to use the phrase social liberal. >> let's not forget civil liberties as people identify as being social liberally on. that's another factor. >> there is more news on that in a little bit. npr go forth -- oh, boy pwn -- this is a word list for the scrab scrabble players. bezzy anybody know what that means? it's an official word according to scrabble. >> i'm pro scrabble dictionary -- i have no idea
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there is some words that i think are real words, it rejects all the time. it turns out you can see twerking, so that is legal. this is from "the new york times" headline drop that nozzle. new jersey resists push for self-service. new jersey and oregon it's illegal to pump your own gas. christie won't talk about it. the leaders in the legislature won't do it. i lived there for a while and it drove me nuts. i say, there's stations with 20 pumps and one attendant and you're in a hurry in new jersey is drives you crazy. you wait 20 minutes for somebody to pump your gas. >> this is the type of thing where it sounds like a good idea in principal. it will create jobs and it's safer. when you get down to this this
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the immediate future of the patriot act is suddenly in serious doubt. according to one report an expiration of the patriot act, quote, now looks unavoidable. this after a long night of debate in voting in the senate. senators rejecting legislation that would end the government's bulk collection of phone records. but also rejecting other votes to keep the entire patriot act as a whole alive. yesterday afternoon, the white house trying to stress the urgency of the situation by saying that it does not have a plan b if the patriot act isn't extended. 2016 presidential contender rand paul objecting to majority leader mitch mcconnell's attempts to move the short term extension forward not once twice, but three times overnight. >> therefore i ask the senate
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now proceed to a bill to extend the expiring provisions until june 8th. that the bill be read a third time and passed with no intervening action or debate. >> mr. president -- >> is there an objection -- >> mr. president? mr. president. >> senator from kentucky. >> this is a debate about whether or not a warrant with a single name of a single company can be used to collect all the records. i will object and i do. i object. >> objection is heard. >> mr. president, i renew my request with an amendment to go until june 5th. >> is there an objection? >> mr. president -- >> without objection. >> i object. >> objection is heard. mr. president? >> i renew my request with an amendment to extend expiring authorities to june 3rd. >> is there objection?
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without objection -- >> mr. president. >> is there an objection? >> mr. president. >> senator from kentucky. >> the senator skipping town foreign policy the holiday after the votes. planning to reconvene next weekend on may 31st the day before the patriot act is scheduled to expire to try again. they are not leaving themselves much time. that would give them 24 thourz to hours. joining is the capitol hill producer. that's a scene when you consider the history between rand paul and mitch mcconnell. they became big allies last year. there he is making mcconnell's life miserable. in terms of the future, there's two pieces i guess, the bulk collection of
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data and also the patriot act as a whole. did rand paul kill one or two of those things? >> well that's a good question. you're right. it is an extraordinary scene but it wasn't unexpected. republican leadership had been saying a that they were going to try to defeat this house passed bill. that bill that passed the house with 338 votes. that would have moved the collection of bulk data from the government and put it into the hands of the telecom companies. they thought once they had defeated that bill it would pressure the senators who had opposed any kind of short term extension to go ahead and go with it because the memorial day weekend was coming. senator rand paul and senator ron widen, a democrat from oregon had warned they were going to try to object to any kind of short term extension. as a result, we're in the situation we're in now. they have objected to any kind of short term extension. now then coming back next sunday means it is highly likely that this program that this -- the
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nsa's program where they collect the bulk telephone data is going to sunset for a brief period of time. >> is it just the bulk collection program or the patriot act as a whole that is in danger of not being authorized? >> there's three different provision, there's a lone wolf provision, one other additional provision that will sunset. but the larger one, the one that's been debated now the one that senator rand paul opposes pru prudominately is the one that justified the nsa's bulk collection of data. the nsa warned congress if they didn't get anything done by the end of the day on friday they would have to wind down the program. the reality is that the senate st going to come in on may 31st on the afternoon around 4:00. they will have eight hours to deal with this. that program has to sunset.
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it has to stop operating at midnight that night. if they don't get anything done this program is on its way to sunsetting. >> forgive me but this part confuses me a little bit, too. the wouldn't the house then have to act as well if the senate is doing some kind of short term extension or something? wouldn't the house to be in session to pass that or it still sunsets? >> right. that's been the argument the whole time actually. is that the reality is even if the senate were to have been able to pass the extension last night or yesterday the house would have had to act on it. leadership aides said there was no plans for them to come back and deal with this. they are gone foreign policy the memorial day weekend. they're not planning on coming back. they've were they were going to come back on june first. the writing has been on the wall for this. this was a -- the strategy employed here by senate republican leadership was a bit misguided. they saw the writing on the
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wall, they saw the objections were going to come on the short term. they ignored it. they thought the long time tested strategy of relying on jet fumes, relying on the idea that senators wanted to get home for the memorial day recess were going to trump the objections by senators. but it didn't work here. senator rand paul objected as he said he would. senator ron widen objected as he said he would. now we're in the situation we are in now. they're going to come back with eight hours to go before the deadline happens and oo likely sunset of this program. >> i'm trying to play out the next week or so in my head. i'm imagining there is going to be a full court press i would think publicly about the dangers from the white house saying this, the nsa saying this lindsey graham saying if you let this thing expire you are exposing this country to a grave terrorist threat. >> absolutely.
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and white house press secretary josh earnest escalated that pressure in recent days. he was warning of the implications of any sort of lapse in national security. you have to take that with a grain of salt because that's part of the game here to insure something is passed. is to say the moment this sun sets we're exposing ourselves to a terrorist attack. that is hard to believe. i want to agree with frank, this was destined to fail. it's so rare to have that kind of bipartisan support for any piece of legislation. we've seen it time and again how hard it is for both sides to come together. it was almost impossible that mitch mcconnell would be able to argue he could ignore that. especially with john boehner said i'm not going to take up a short term extension. we've done our job. >> i want to point out, not only is it part of the game to say we will have a terrorist attack if this subsets. the fbi sound could provide no
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evidence that this bulk collection of data has done anything for national security has prevented anything from happening. talk about like arguing about jet fumes. i also want to say this is also kind of insane to think that mitch mcconnell thought he could use the threat of not being able to go on vacation as a way to argue against something that some people believe is unconstitutional. >> yet, it's worked before though. it's a time honored tool. >> it's the strategy for getting things done. >> that's a strategy for both sides. we're out of time for this segment. my thanks to frank for staying up late. i appreciate the time on this holiday weekend. the race to win votes for the white house, and twitter followers. a suspect is in custody. but the investigation into that quadruple murder in washington is far from over. those details are next. stay with us. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk and text. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs.
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one suspect in the quadruple murder inside a d.c. mansion is in custody. but authorities don't believe the case is closed. daron dylon wint is in jail this morning. he's charged with killing a business executive, his wife son and a housekeeper as well. police say that someone else was probably there when the murders took place ten days ago. they also say that other suspects haven't been ruled out. msnbc's adam reese is live in washington this morning. a lot of mystery here. what's the latest you're hearing? >> good morning. that manhunt is on for the accomplices. this investigation is far from over. we're learning more about the night of the murders the fact that wint did not act alone. and a key witness has changed their story numerous times. the family was kept here for 19 hours until that $40,000 was delivered. they were there brutally murdered. the house was set on fire with an accelerant.
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we're learning a key witness, an assistant to the father who delivered the money has changed their story, whether or not certain money was in the pouch, what color the pouch was. and where that pouch was left. we also saw mr. wint for the first time in court yesterday in superior court. a 13 minute hearing appeared in a jumpsuit shackles faces first degree murder charges. what the motive was other than money, we don't know. who the accomplices are we hope to learn in the coming days. >> adam reese, thank you appreciate that. still ahead, one of the most important weeks yet in deciding who will win the white house. next is president obama the next katey perry? really try to explain after this. y perry? really try to explain after this. ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car.
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the president joined twitter. he sent his first tweet from the handle potus earlier this week. that is not to be confused with the @whitehouse account. also not to be confused with the handle barack obama, which is actually run by organizing for action that is the group borne out of obama's final presidential campaign. on monday on his new account, the president welcoming himself to twitter by saying hello twitter, it's barrack. six years in they're finally giving giving me my own account. former president clinton welcoming him welcome to twitter, potus. the user name will stay with the office. someone the next occupant will be interested to know. he has amassed 2.3 million followers in less than a week of being in twitter. what does that number mean?
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let's take a look at the big board and try to put that 2.3 million follower in some perspective. we said who has the biggest audience in all of twitter? of all the people in twitter who has the most followers. number one is katy perry. behind her, justin bieber he's got 64 million followers. taylor swift, she's number three, 58 million followers. some other sort of cultural figures might to know. oprah winfrey has 27.6 million. obama had 2.3 million. still about a tenth of where oprah is. jimmy fallon 25 million. lebron james, king james, 21.3 million. these are pop stars, athletes cultural icons. what about political figures? how does obama compare there? hillary clinton, she's got 3 and
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a half million. running for president she's got more than the president. jeb bush a surprisingly small number 189,000 followers. he's been on there for more than five years right now. rand paul he's got 618,000. you've got chris christie over half a million. 527,000. bernie sanders, he'll be running against hillary clinton. announcing his candidacy, 328,000 followers. on twitter. and also you go back to barack obama. sitting at 2.33 million, stacks up pretty well against the politicians, not so well against the cultural figures. i tell you one more who he does stack up well against. that 2.33 million is a little bit more than the 71,300 who follow me. tell your friends, follow me. let's hit 72,000 before the end of the day. another full hour of news and politics straight ahead.
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and who isn't? thanks for staying with us this saturday. the start of the memorial day weekend. the start of summer. and the start of what appears to be the first real competition for hillary clinton in the race for the democratic presidential nomination. lots more ahead on that. also it's a busy morning of national political importance in oklahoma city. we're going to go out there to find out why in just a minute. the man who helped negotiate peace in ireland for president clinton is here to talk about president obama's attempts to prevent a nuclear iran. george mitchell is coming up on the show. also potential record flooding in the forecast for parts of texas. nbc's mark potter will join us for our live report. is minimum wage gaining
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traction with candidates on both sides? can hillary clinton win back kentucky and other appalachian states for the democrats? it's not as much as a pipe dream as you might think. we'll explain why. we begin this hour with the 2016 presidential hopefuls battling it out at the latest cattle call, the southern republican leadership conference in oklahoma city. one of the few big everybody speaks events to be held outside of the early primary and caucus states. this meeting is important because the attracts key voting block leaders and activists who are crucial to securing early victories. in an increasingly crowded republican field, the contenders itchy to distinguish themselves from one another. the current front runner in the field, according to the national fields, scott walker trying to create some distance between himself and everybody else. and one of the first speeches given at the event in oklahoma city. >> i think going forward we need
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someone who can fight and win. not just at the ballot box but can fight and win the battles we need to move this country forward with common sense conservative reforms. >> jeb bush and chris christie and bobby jintal appearing about the group. senators marco rubio, ted cruz, lindsey graim having to make their appearances by video because they had to be present in the senate for the nsa votes. carly fiorina also going to be addressing the conference today. msnbc's jane timm joins us live from oklahoma city. a lot of competition for the loyalties of the crowd down there. who is getting the best response from the speakers so far? >> scott walker did very well. he had his overall, i think he was probably the winner. he was the first speech of the weekend and did very well. throughout the weekend when i asked people who are you rooting for, who is your favorite i
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keep hearing scott walker. the big surprise for us was really seeing governor chris christie. he impressed. he usually stays away from the cattle calls. he came and said this sh who i want. i want to introduce myself to you t. he had swooping oratory. hit the mark with this crowd. very budget heavy and national security heavy. he took advantage of this patriot act battle in the senate and said i'm the only one in this conversation who has actually used the patriot act. these kids in senate who are fighting it out and talking about things that constitutionality that we aren't proving. i have worked with this we need this. you guys are going to look silly if there's ever another attack. >> jane timm in oklahoma city. more speeches there today as the cattle call continues. we'll keep an eye on it. the busy weekend in oklahoma city previewing a busy week
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ahead in the race for the white house. the field about to get a lot more crowded with would be contenders from both parties expected to launch their campaigns this week. on tuesday, independent senator bernie sanders kicking off his first big campaign launch event in his hometown of burlington, vermont. outside of pittsburgh rick santorum will make an announcement about his future as a possible candidate at a factory near his boyhood home. thursday former new york governor george pataki expected to say whether he will run. he will make that announcement in exter, new hampshire. also in the state the first primary will be held. next saturday, a week from today, former mayor martin o'malley will return to that city to make his announcement that he is running as a democrat for president.
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all of these considered underdogs to say the least. pataki and santorum polling at 1% or 2% in the crowded republican field. sanders beating o'malley so far but only polling a meager 6% against hillary clinton. rick santorum for one saying he likes his underdog status. >> i remind people that when we won the iowa caucuses in 2012 i was at 4% nationally. i think i was last. we won the iowa caucus and i was last in the national polls. thlt idea that national polls mean anything i just -- you want to talk about a case in point where they don't, i became that night pretty much the alternative to mitt romney when -- if you were looking at who in the national polls should be recognized as such. no one would have put me on the list. >> will any of these candidates play the spoiler this year? can they do better than that? how can they get there?
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here to help us answer that is our panel. joining us from d.c. robert costa national political reporter for "the washington post." you were up late with me on the maddow show. let me ask you the bottom line on the republican side. we have the new phenomenon instead of just saying you're running for president you announce a date when you're going to say what you might do. d day is coming for santorum and pataki. are you expecting they are both going to say they're running in this race? >> i think they're both going to jump into the 2016 contest. they're philosophy is why not there are two ways to go that's media momentum and finding some kind of superpac angel who can fund you through. look at gingrich or santorum.
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>> i get it from the santorum standpoint, a lot of people laughed at him for all of 2011 and he ends up in 2012 winning 11 states before the thing is over. nothing to sniff at. i got to ask you, what is -- besides -- why not me what is the case for george pataki? where could he possibly put anything together in this race? >> i was just in new hampshire with governor pataki, and i'm not so sure what his path is if anything. i was in a diner with him. he went up to voters he said i'm running for president. they looked at him and said good luck. that's about all the exchange was. it's going to be a tough road for a lot of guys. what we'll see is them hopefully trying to get on the debate stage and try to get number ten at the fox news debate or any other network. the field is so big, even that will be hard. >> the debates is the other big piece of news. fox news announcing its criteria
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saying you got to be in a top ten. rick santorum took exception to that rule. let's listen to what he had to say about that this week. >> the idea that a national poll has any relationship as to the viability of a candidate. ask rudy guiliani ask phil graham. it matters in the early primary states. >> let me ask you this when the announcement gets made here of the ten candidates who will be in this debate. cnn will be doing pretty much the same thing. is that going to thin the field? by the end of the summer is pataki is not getting in the debates if santorum or fiorina is not getting in the debates do you think they revisit their candidacy candidacy? >> i asked a republican strategiest and he said if anything can go wrong it will.
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if pataki carly fiorina, donald trump, they're going to find a way to make their own stage. they will go to a conservative group and say have a forum for us in iowa. let's compete with the official debate. this could become a mess. >> what is the pataki path. i'll bring the panel in. i'll play this for them first. george pataki trying to distinguish himself. he chose foreign policy, isis the idea of calling boots on the ground. let's play what he had to say about isis. >> what i would do is deny isis the ability to have training camps, planning centers, recruitment centers, organizing to attack us here. i would not be adverse to putting american boots on the ground to destroy their training centers and planning centers. >> that's something i'm wondering about. i start with you, catherine. the top ten rule for these debates, it puts a premium on these candidates who are at zero or 1%. you have to say something provocative.
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if you get your name in the news. gravity is going to force you to 2%. if you get to 2% you're in the debate. >> that's certainly true. it's true even if you're you know, in slot two or slot three. maybe the incentive isn't to say something quite as outside the mainstream like let's send the entire u.s. military and kill everybody. there is still at this point in the campaign you know you're looking any way to get a headline and make news. it's there for everyone. >> it absolutely is. coincidentally i was at a gop cattle call in greenville, south carolina two weeks ago. it was a remarkable sight where pataki came out and there was not a single reporter there. he had to say no question and he walked out. but it's so imperative for them to get their name out, especially if you're not well-recognized by the public. and, you know i think the point about polling that rick santorum raise gicizes is part of that issue.
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if you can get your name out there and get coverage and stake out a position that attracts attention you can put yourself in the running. even marco rubio was polling in single digits until a few weeks ago. now he's considered the top -- >> there is a big difference between saying like maybe there's a gap in the field. maybe there is some position that's not being advocated that should be out there. i think fringe candidates do serve that roll. there is the pure attention seeking. >> the donald trump. >> like someone who is not generally inclined to vote in that party, i'm all in favor of them saying crazy stuff to get attention. that sounds awesome to me. i say put it on all the stage. a grand melee of candidates. let them fight it out. there is one proposal gets traction which is the idea of randomly selecting more manageable number of candidates and having nights of successive debates. >> how about tournament style?
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>> march madness why not? >> if there is 16 candidates and there is no other breaks or anything, you may get two, three minutes for a candidate. >> it may also mean the debates don't become as important. when you have a stage full of ten people you know you could really mess up. but, you know the people who are already a -- >> i think the republicans are operating from a stronger position. they have a good three or four top tier candidates jeb bush marco rubio, scott walker rand paul is probably not going to be the nominee but he has a bill following. chris christie we don't know what his intentions are. last time it was mitt romney and a bunch of other people distracting. this time there dd becould be a real debate. it's important the rnc manages this properly. >> let me shift here. i want to get to the democratic
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side. there is news this week happening on the democratic side. you will have two candidates that get in the race that want to run against hillary clinton. martin o'malley bernie sanders. it's interesting, i'm looking at these two. let's stipulate hillary clinton is the most formidable front runner we've seen in a primary ever. very tough to see anybody beating her. when you look at the non-hillary competition. i think there is energy behind sanders that i'm not seeing behind o'malley. >> there's a weird respect phenomenon happening now. i think it's the same people who said the kucinich guy, you know that round. there are people who kind of like sanders for his consistency. i think those people have no idea what that consistency actually entails and getting to know bernie sanders better is not going to win the hearts of the american problem. there's a chance he's a next rand paul. >> there's an authenticity with him, a frustration with the
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system. i think there's something there that connects with -- again, do i think it's enough to beat her? very unlikely. >> i think that he definitely can capture energy from people who are equally frustrated. he has a character, much like ron paul that you can find endearing on some level. even if you don't agree with him. a lot of people i think don't know his exact positions, just think of him he's over to the left. i think i like that. >> what they know is he's upset with the system. he wants to basically blow up the system. robert costa, what do you think of that comparison of sanders and paul? >> i think sanders could be a more potent political figure than ron paul. when i was in iowa this week there was a group of dozen college students outside supporting sanders. there was labor organizers
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pressuring clinton. bernie sanders could get, 35%, 40% if it becomes a grass roots movement. he doesn't need to win iowa. if he can show ipn iowa and he goings to new hampshire and it becomes a problem. >> it's interesting those first two states iowa with a populist grass roots and new hampshire sharing the media market. starts to make you say what about that. thank you for getting up early this morning. still ahead while the democratic field sorts itself out. will hillary clinton be able to tern conservative states blue if she gets the nomination. some maybe encouraging signs for her. first, a storied career in public service he is the former senate majority leader foreman chairman of peace negotiations in ireland. special envoy for policeeace in the middle east. he joins us live next.
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president obama calls it one of the biggest question marks hanging over his legacy as president. his desire to prevent a nuclear iran. in an interview, the president saying, quote, 20 years from now i'm still going to be around. if iran has a nuclear weapon it's my name on this. it's fair to say that in addition to our national security interest i have a personal interest in locking this down. negotiators from united states china, russia britain and fanc hoping to reach a agreement by june. skepticism about iran being able to enrich uranium at any level has drawn critics around the
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globe. our next guest, george mitchell belongs president obama and negotiators are striking the right balance. george mitchell served as majority leader of the senate from 1989 to 1995. he was also u.s. special envoy to northern ireland during the clinton years, active in the irish peace process as well as the special envoy to the middle east for president obama. his new book is the negotiator about his experiences as a diplomat. there is a lot i want to talk to him about this morning. thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> the question of iran is coming up a few weeks from now. we have a basic framework that was agreed to. now there is a question of the details. al i guess one of the objections -- i can put this up. henry kissinger in an op-ed raising concerns about this. he's saying that his words here iran will be in a position to bolster its advanced nuclear technology and rapidly deploy centrifuges five times the the
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capacity of the current model. iran gets license to proceed on two tracks. they can be cooperative on the surface, but if anything breaks down in the course of that process, they're going to be a year away from doing something dramatic. >> iran must not get a nuclear weapon. it would not only represent a direct threat to israel but it would be undermining of the entire non-proliferation efforts the united states has done over the past half century. there are dozens of countries that could produce a nuclear weapon only nine have done so. there are two ways to achieve that objective, through negotiation or through war. it seems to make just plain common cents common sense to negotiate a agreement that will prevent that outcome rather than going -- >> do you think that is -- if there is no agreement, if this agreement breaks down somehow before or after june 24th.
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do you see war as a likely next scenario? >> certainly. there are two choices if this process breaks down either a nuclear armed iran or a war to prevent nuclear war. the criticesses say we should walk away. there is no evidence to support that conclusion. this is not the u.s. as you pointed out in the opening, it's the u.s. china, russia britain france and germany on one side, iran on the other. if this collapses as we walk away or for an agreement is reached and rejected by the u.s. congress there is no evidence that the other countries, especially china and russia will continue with or increase the sanctions. the sanctions, which have been effective precisely because they are universal, not unilateral will go from universal to unilateral.
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and therefore, from effective to ineffective. and there will be no alternative. >> as we say you were the special envoy to the middle east until 2011 under president obama. extensive experience in the region. i want to get your take on what we saw this week in iraq. what we saw with isis with the taking of ramadi by isis with gains on the ground in iraq by isis. the iraqi army unable to prevent that from happening. now there's a call -- i think we can put this up. this is john mccain. he is hawkest when it comes to stuff. he said we are not doing enough of anything. we need to train and equip more troops over there. raising it seemed the possibility of sending american troops on the ground to combat isis in the wake of this. what's your attitude towards that? >> before i do that i want to complete my statement on the iran situation. i do think the issue of verification remains to be resolved. that's the central issue. how can we be assured that iran
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will do what it says it will do in any agreement? i think the verification provisions that are ultimately negotiated will, to me be the critical point in determining whether to support the agreement going forward. with respect to isis there is no evidence that u.s. increased u.s. military force will end this conflict. the fact is that the internal divisions within muslim have been going on for 1,400 years in iraq specifically over the past 95 years. this notion if we just have more and more american military involvement that we can somehow resolve these conflicts, really is contradicted by history. there's no evidence to support it. >> are we achieving anything meaningful right now that providing air support for an army -- as we saw this week with
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ramadi, incablepable from keeping isis from take the city. the iraqi army on its own not good enough to get the job done. are we accomplishing anything with this strategy? >> one battle set back does not institute a decisive end. i think the air power is helping, although obviously not enough in the case of ramadi. there have been successes with respect to isis as well. isis has generally being successful territoryal in some instances. the national government is shia dominated and according to the sunni. this has been going on for a long time. we can do more but i am absolutely opposed to increasing or introducing american ground troops in combat. perhaps more special forces
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perhaps more spotters to effectively direct the aircraft. better and more effective training of the iraqis. in the end, we have to rid ourselves of the notion that every problem in the world is an american problem requiring an american military solution. in the end, the future of iraq will be decided by iraqis. and we have to help support and encourage where we can. but we can't get drawn in to every conflict in every part of the world. let me conclude this with one statistic. of the seven and a half billion in the world, one in five is muslim. 1.5 billion. by midcentury half will be muslim. the internal conflicts in islam
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will double in the decades. we cannot involve ourselves every time there's a problem in the world. we cannot try to control events everywhere in the world. >> we just have a minute left. i want to transitioning to one question about domestic politics here. you were a senate majority leader from '89 to '95. are you supporting hillary clinton in 2016? >> yes i am. i think hillary is going to be nominated. it will be a close race in the general election. i think that's up for grab. >> when you look at the republican field, we talk about how we've never seen a republican race this wide open. i think the front runner is 13% or 14% in the polls. there was a story in the "new york times" saying that marco rubio maybe makes democrats most nervous. al do you look at that
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republican field and say there is one i want to face and one i particularly don't want to face? >> i think it will all work out. i don't know who the republican nominee will be. it depends on the economy, president obama's standing a whole lot of factors, no offense to the media, they want to gin up news now. they want to gin up controversy. that's how you sell newspapers. it's a long way to go. it will be a vigorous republican contest. they've got several candidates that i think will be strong candidates. and hillary is going to have to be at the top of her game to win in a general election. >> former senate majority leader george mitchell. thank you. the southern states the democrats hope could be back in play in next year's election. we are going to go live to texas where record rainfall is leading to devastating flooding. hey pal? you ready? can you pick me up at 6:30?
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. right now. thousands of people in northeast texas have been forced from their homes by flood waters. authorities have evacuated parts of wichita falls, texas, which has seen record rainfall this months. more rain is in the forecast for the next three days. nbc's mark potter is live in wichita falls, texas, standing in that flooding. please take us through what's going on down there. >> i'm standing on the edge of the flooding. we are seeing flood waters coming up in this area. you can see the waters here. this is about a half mile from the downtown area. normally this is a bike path you would bike through. but now the waters are here. the river itself the river bank is on the other side of the trees. the water is ever slowly coming up. this isn't a raging flood, it is coming up. the fear is it will be coming up into houses. hundreds of people have been
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evacuated and preps have been made. the officials here were hoping and actually beginning to believe that this was going to be a moderate flood that would end soon. yesterday afternoon, friday afternoon, they had a meeting with the national weather service that changed everything. they got shocking news that this actually could become a record flood because of some expected rain that could come through this weekend and into early next week. the record flood could continue until last next week into a wide area. now they're revising their evacuation plans and are expecting extra help from the state. >> all right. mark potter live in wichita falls, texas. thank you for the update. still ahead is l.a.'s $15 minimum wage too high too low or just right? my guests will square off over that. a crazy election night cliff hanger means for the rest of america? ts are in charge of approving every new recipe. because it's cats who know best what cats like to eat.
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kentucky this week. with the results of the republican primary for governor still up in the air this morning. tea party favorite matt beven holds an 83 vote lead. each of the candidates has baggage. no matter who wins the primary democrats will have a chance in the election. making this the most competitive election of 2015. this is a story about 2016. it's a reminder that kentucky isn't nessaerls a red state. it did vote for mccain in 2008. there are more registered democrats than republicans. the state's current governor is republican. kentucky has elected one republican governor in the last 40 years. kentucky is part of a group of unique states. they have deep democratic
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traditions but have swung hard to the gop in the obama years. there are states that democrats believe that they could put back into play in 2016. if they succeed in doing that it will change the electorial map. let me show you what i'm talking about here on the big board. this is between 2004 and 2008. 2004, john kerry was the democratic candidate. he lost the bush. 2008 barack obama beats mccain. did each county in the country get more democratic or more republican. if it was more favoritable to obama than kerry it's blue. if it's more favorable to mccain than it was to bush it's red. you would expect it to all be blue because obama did better than john kerry. look at this section of the country. this is aplathesia. it is a little part of ohio and
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pennsylvania, became more republican even as the rest of the country was becoming more democratic. that is the biggest problem area that barack obama has had politically as president. let's take a closer look at some of these states. we mentioned kentucky. take a look at west virginia in the 2012 presidential primary, barack obama was opposed in west virginia by a convicted felon who got his name on the ballot. barack obama only got 59% of the vote. look at this in arkansas same year, 2012 a random candidate gets on the ballot and gets 42% of the vote. wins these counties you see here. it's amazing. same thing in kentucky, uncommitted democratic primary. that is the problem barack obama has had throughout his presidency in this region of the country. you can see this is rural white voters overall white voters in 2012 voting for romney. if you look at white voters who
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do not have college degrees, these are voters who are going to be more common in areas like we're talking about. look at the margin. romney winning by 2 points over barack obama. that's why barack obama has struggled so much. but the interesting thing here for democrats, that they remember is they take a look at the map. this is 1996 when bill clinton won his second term over dole. look where he won, he won, kentucky, west virginia, he's from arkansas, it's his home state. he won, missouri tennessee. al gore was vice president from tennessee he was able to win these states with lower income non-educated whites that have turned the strongest against barack obama. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016 can she put these into play, if she does that would change the map for democrats. up next from city streets to the presidential campaign trail, the minimum wage takes center stage in the 2016 debate. that's straight ahead. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk and text.
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on tuesday the los angeles city council voted to raise the minimum wage from $9 to $15 by 2020 t. that 2020. that is a huge wage hike. the mayor said he will sign it and it will have impact on half of the workers in the nation's second largest city. other cities have already approved a $15 minimum wage. similar measures are in kansas city missouri and washington, d.c. but increase in minimum wage has met a wall of republican seresist resistance. a host of republican presidential hopefuls are also voicing their objections. >> i'm against raising the minimum wage because it will create a reduction in jobs. >> the concern i have about the minimum wage increase is that we
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have been told by both the congressional budget office and independence analysteds it would cost certain jobs. >> i don't think it serve as purpose because we're debating what the lowest levels are at. >> i'm tired about hearing about the minimum wage. i really am. >> there are two republican presidential contenders who are taking the opposite approach. >> we need to have an increase in the minimum wage. al we need to say that we're on the side of the american worker. we need to go out and prove it with policies. >> in several states you can get as much or more on government as you can by getting a minimum wage. i think it probably should be higher. >> hillary clinton for her part supports raising the minimum wage. but hasn't yet said by how much. here to debate the merits of raising the minimum wage and how it will continue to play out in the presidential race. we have cnbc contributor, a
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columnist with the american enterprise institute. and a labor economist. let me start with you on that question. we played the clips of the candidates who are opposing it. let's take a look at los angeles. if you're a business owner and you are being told the going rate is $15 and not $9. that's a significant jump. why don't you think the business owner is going to employ fewer people. >> because of economic research over 45 years. first of all the minimum wage will be that high in 2020. by that time inflation will have gone up. workers' rages would have gone up. businesses might have learned if they don't pay more that they have just higher turnover. as businesses experiment with a higher wage economic research shows that they're going to get more loyal workers. probably tighten up the productivity of all their operations. a lot of those businesses aren't
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small, they're profitable national chains. al so that culmination of economic research about the modern employer and the modern economy convinces me that we won't see the hours lost or the job displacement. in fact with more money in workers' wages pockets in workers' pockets we may see an expansion of damd because low income workers spend all the money we have. we may see an increase in jobs. that's borne out in the data. that when wages go up the number of jobs go up. >> so james, what do you say to that then? she is saying the argument about lost jobs here about companies not being to employ people. what's your response to that? >> that is an amazing phrase to use. research shows. i have looked at the same research. and research doesn't show that. research suggests that we have no idea what will happen if we
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raise the minimum wage by 70%. we don't know. now, as i read the research i'm very worried about the anti-employment effects. we don't know. it's a massive leap. and rather than take this huge gamble with the lives and careers of millions of low wage workers in these cities for a second best policy what we should be doing is sure you want to raise the minimum wage raise it by inflation, raise it $8 an hour which is where it would be adjusted for inflation over the past 30 40 years to keep steady. expand the earned income tax credit. a policy which all the research is pretty universal. it increases employment. it increases wages, especially for people who are working full time adults not teenager -- let me finish my point. >> i'm trying to clarify your
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point. what -- >> i think i clarified it just fine, go ahead. >> do you oppose the increase of the may just to $15 or do you oppose any increase in the minimum wage? >> what i would do is i would take the minimum wage -- it's a good compromise policy take the minimum wage to about $8. after that increase it by inflation and then supplement it with a wage subsidy as a society if we think full time workers should be making more, than we as a society, not just mcdonald's, not just walmart, all of us should be willing to supplement those wages. >> thank you for clarifying that. let me get you to respond to that. >> hey, wage subsidies means that taxpayer subsidize low wage employers. m. >> that's a ridiculous argument. that is like you saying -- >> hold on hold on. hold on. james, james, you got to let her talk. we let you talk. let her talk. >> i'll give you a chance.
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let's just take turns. a wage subsidy means that taxpayers are -- take revenue that would have been spent someplace else someplace else and move it to low-wage workers. that means that low-wage employers don't have to pay a higher wage. low-wage employees also rely on food stamps and other kinds of taxpayer subsidies, meaning that if we raise the incomes of low-wage workers through taxpayers, low-wage employers have higher profits. we don't, of course know what will happen. when i look at all the economic dynamics of the labor markets, i find that high wages are pleasantly a surprise to many employers. they find that they get more productive workers, they lower their costs with training new workers as the workers stay longer. there's lots of benefits to increasing wages. if we index the wage from 1968 when it was at its peak to now,
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it would be $11. >> that's not true. >> we're on target to what l.a. is doing. just an inflation calculator, jim. >> all right. we are actually up against the time on this one, but i appreciate. appreciate both of you joining us. up next the reason golfers in branson are yelling fore. what do you think of when you think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you. wow. sweet new subaru, huh mitch? yep.
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all right. the panel is back with me this morning. there's a lot going on. get caught up on some of the other headlines. you're looking live -- well it's not live. i just like saying you're looking live. that's a massive sinkhole opening up at a jack nicklaus designed golf course in branson, missouri. 80 feet wide 35 feet deep. i don't know what that hole was
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before, but that's a par 5 hole right now if i've ever seen one. that's interesting. let's go to politico what hillary left off her linkedin profile. because she's looking for a job. they did not include her failed 2008 presidential candidacy. her summer campaigning for the george mcgovern bid or the work investigating president nixon. massive conspiracy. hopefully the next batch of e-mails will answer this one. >> that's kind a cute hey, let's be on linkedin. i don't think we have to take it so seriously. >> if you see a resume that has someone's summer internships and jobs they applied for and didn't get, that should make you worry. she did a nice job self-editing. >> the whole linkedin thing, i signed up for it. it was the biggest mistake.
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every day getting linkedin. >> you haven't responded to your invitation. >> i'm less likely to vote for hillary clinton now that she's on linkedin personally. >> i'm most likely to vote for her because they left critical information off. >> that mcgovern campaign still sticks with america. we're down to our final seconds. in the "usa today," the world's oldest person to turn 116 years old. she was born in georgia in the year 1899. has lived in michigan since 1935. she bowled until she was 104. she mowed her lawn till a few years ago. only one in 5 million people in the u.s. will live to be 110 or older. that's amazing. these people born before 1900 not many left. this is one of the final ones. happy birthday to you gerriline.
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