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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. they're the inmates whose stories we'll never forget and whose lives have taken twists you'll never believe. now we reveal whatever became of paul komyatti. >> never see me again. >> twin brothers roy and roy slagle. >> ronnie tye. >> will you have this woman as
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thy wedded wife? >> finally, the answers you've been waiting for. >> mr. bill, are you ready for your picture? >> yeah. >> when we met paul komyotti in 2008, he had an inmate job as the photographer in the inmate visitor room. right from the start he was good natured and full of optimism for the future, despite having been incarcerated for the past 26 years. he entered prison at age 17 for his role in a bizarre family plot that ended in the murder of
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his abusive father. >> my father was an alcoholic. i was a little kid, 7, 8 years old. i'm crawled under the table, he's got this belt, and he's hitting me, blood all over my body. >> his mother, brother and sister were all convicted. paul's mother was given 90 years. >> as far as i know, she's the oldest woman in prison in the state of indiana. >> paul was eligible for parole after 26 years. >> you'll never see me in khaki again after today. >> he quickly landed a factory job and was doing well. >> you want to wake up with that
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attitude in the morning that today is going to be a good day. today is going to be better than yesterday. >> but he could never have prepared himself for the bizarre chain of events ahead of him. six months after his release, three indiana state prison inmates staged a daring escape and komyatti found himself at the wrong play at the wrong time. he and a friend had gone to a casino by the prison. he was picked up and investigated for facilitating the escape and was eventually cleared. but because he had violated parole by driving a car with only a learner's permit, he was sent back to prison. less than a year later he was free again. but within 30 days of his life,
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he would be left profoundly disfigured. and we warn you, you might find his appearance disturbing. >> you know i think most people in that situation with the injuries i have would not have survived. but i was in pretty good condition at the time for my age and everything. >> while riding his bicycle near his home outside downtown indianapolis, paul hit a pothole, flew over the handlebars and landed face first on an exposed grate. >> these steel bars were sticking out in the asphalt. right there and right there is the exact width on the channel bars. i hit that. when i rode, i turned, my nose was completely cut off, my upper lip was sheered off. i had a gash -- the whole left
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side of my face had a gaping hole. >> every bone in his face was broken and nearly every muscle was torn. his girl friend was at home when she got a haunting call from paul's cell phone. >> my cell phone activated. as i said, i didn't know how to unlock the key pad. it went to the last phone number that i called, which was jane. >> and i just started hearing voices in the background and a woman screamed and a man said, oh, my gosh, don't move, don't move, don't try to get up, he goes, "i got to go home!" it just seemed like forever. it was maybe 20 minutes, half hour. i heard everything. i heard sirens. i knew that wasn't good. >> he was rushed to the hospital where surgeons worked to save what was left of his face. about 18 hours later jenny and two of her family members went
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to the accident site to recover the clothing that paramedics cut off his body. what they discovered was shocking. >> there in a puddle of blood was his nose. and i went -- my brother-in-law said here's something over here. i go, oh, no way, you know, his tongue. >> jenny saved the body parts in hopes that surgeons could reattach them. >> they said it had been too long, they couldn't reattach. >> but at the time, he was lucky to be alive. he'd been rushed to one of indianapolis's top trauma centers. one of the stiff's most respected plastic surgeons was immediately called in for his expertise in fact reconstruction. >> we got a call from the trauma team here. when they describe the injury, we knew we had to go to the operating room. we spent about nine hours with him in the o.r.
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this is one of those severe injuries you probably see a couple times in your career. every single bone was broken, loss of the nose, upper and lower lip and half of the tongue. >> he laid in a coma for 30 days. during that time he had six more surgeries and a seventh after he came out of the coma. >> i'm probably going to have to have another dozen surgeries. this what the doctor built up giving me a temporary nose until my nose can be reconstructed. >> at the time of our visit, he still had another throw months to wait until the nose reconstruction surgery. it won't be the same as his old
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nose, but it will never be far away. >> this is my old nose and half my tongue. >> does it bother you it's in your freezer? >> i'd rather have it on my face. it definitely looks better on my face than it does in this baggy. >> coming up, paul goes back to prison, but this time to visit his mother. but first -- >> i cut iron here at the scrap iron yard. >> but first, the incredible saga, of twin brothers in colorado. >> i was in icu for nine days.
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our first slagle encounter was in 2000 when we met roy at colorado state penitentiary, and he made a big impression. at the time roy was serving a 12-year sentence for robbery and had a notorious reputation for forcing the prison to perform cell extranctions on him becaus of his frequent refusal to obey orders. nine years later during our shoot at the lyman correctional facility, we met an inmate named ray slagle, who wasted no time reminding him of his brother. >> you already did him.
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he was wild. >> are you going to make it this time staying out? >> i believe i'm going to make it, no doubt. >> roy was optimistic about his future and so were we. back at lyman, his brother, ray, was serving a 15-year sentence for assault but was only days away from being released on parole. we looked forward to covering their first reunion in more than ten years. but then ray got bad news. roy was headed back to prison. >> my mom told me that ray went to the parole office drunk. honestly, he wanted to come back. >> roy served another 15 months in prison, then was prepared again. we visited him five months later. >> i was on borrowed time last time you interviewed me. i didn't have my own place. i was staying with my folks. love them to death but i didn't have no independence. and i was lonely. i got to drinking a little bit and that turned into a problem.
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i wasn't drunk but i had here i am trying to again. the mistake i made last time, even when i get on parole, i'm not going to drink. it can become an issue and i don't want it to be an issue in my life. >> roy's pet cat isn't the only thing he has to keep his mind off alcohol. he also loves his job. >> day to day i get up and i go to work every day. i go and cut iron and i weld sometimes. it's great. life can't be no better. it just couldn't be. karma. the karma train has arrived for me, you know. i cut inning here at the scrap iron yard so it can be melted back down and utilized for construction. every day i'm grateful that i can be out here.
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i don't slack. i know one speed, to work and get it done speed. >>. >> i never thought a guy could get out of prison and get treated this good at a company. >> any time i need a hand or something, he's there. he's a great guy. i wish we had more. i've never seen him on lockup until after he started working here. see him there compared to here, aggressive. just aggressive. it's great. and reminders of prison sometimes show up unexpectedly. >> this from the department of corrections came in and me being names and numbers of people being transferred throughout the
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state. . not long ago i was in one of these buses. >> i would never want to jeopardize my freedom here. there ain't no trees in no prison yards i've ever been in. >> roy's brother, ray, was just as hopeful when he left prison. during during our "extended stay" trip, we followed him to where he was going to restart his life. >> come on in! this is a castle to me. j ray as became whole, you know. before i knew him, i was sitting in that trailer by myself, 14/7.
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>> but things picked up for ray when he got a job with an industrial paent company. >> i was bringing home about $840 a week. so i was doing good. >> what are you bringing in now? >> $200 a month. >> after only a few months out of prison, one wrong would. >> i was making sure, because it is my girl friend's roof. i went to the edge of the they'll take nine days because
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it was such a dra. >> daughter his recovery, ray's drug addiction was a problem. >> what can i say? i gobble then you come now and it's so terrible. i mean, you're going to the streets. it got out of hand because of pain. >> a positive drug ted led to parrey variety in when things gt out, it got even darker. >> i even tried to hang myself. the only reason i didn't die was because the tie broke. you know, the shame that came
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over me was overwhelming that i would do something like that. but it wasn't -- it wasn't that i wanted to do something like that, i was in so much sfwlb and i do feel like i'm drowning. sometime i'm just boeverly, barely above water and i'm getting tired and i feel like i'm going under and before that gach osh goes.
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many of the stories we cover on "lockup" involve not only the lives of inmates but of their families. and sometimes we're there when new families are being formed. such was the case with ronnie tye,who is nearing the end of an 11-year sentencing forburgly at indiana state prison when we met him and his girl friend. >> i told them we were getting married october 7th. >> ronnie has been out of prison for more than a year now. >> my last day of prison, i was anxious, i was ready to go. get out there. when they hollered "tye, let's go," i ran. >> he told tus took some time to adjust to life after lockup. >> there have been a few times i
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didn didn't. >> he had enered prisoner as a 22-year-old bachelor but prompted it as. >> we were there when ronnie married jody. while they exchanged rings at the wedding, they had chosen a more permanent symbol of commitment. >> he tattooed my portrait on him and i was released june 4th of twit and then things just
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started to change and go down to the worst. >> the couple separated and then divorced a long time later. when you get. >> men find women to take advantage of them. >> but jody believed ronnie was not one of those men and that the love she tard with him, was genuine. specif if i wouldn't have married her, the money would have stopped. >> is this a common thing for guys inside to marry women? >> well, i'm not going to run it for everybody. >> i did it, that's why i
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married her. >> but now joadi has found a new love. and if she marries him, she won't have to change her last name. she's in love not with ronnie thai but with ten. >> i know it like history r. >> one reason it might feel like history repeating himself is because kenny tye, like his brother before him, is detained. >> he's in prison. i know that sounds horrible. i met kenny out here. i know kenny for who kenny it opini
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-- is. >> oh, now i'm in heaven. >> he's my little brother kenny. how do i feel about it? it ain't no sweat off my ass. >> this is me and kenny. got a visit behind glass. this is our only picture together. >> joanie and kenny aren't the only tayes who found new love. he lives with her, his three granddaughters and just see who gets taken kaer of real well here, don't you? >> yeah? >> i said you get taken care of very well here, don't you, granny? >> ronnie says he enjoys caring for his grandma and that he's
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taken to his role as a father. >> i like being a stepfather. i like helping them with things, taking them places, buying them things. >> he does for them like he does me. it's more like his own kids. >> thanks, babe, for cooking dinner. >> thanks, mom. coming up, jody tye makes a major recommitment. >> all right, kenny tye, you better like this [ bleep ]. >> and more with paul komyatti and the slagle brothers. >> tell me if that ain't a work of ard. ♪ those who have served our nation
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komyatti, right now he's going to visit his mother who is behind bars. >> she was a really active woman. now she's in a wheel chair now. how are you feeling? you still having problems on your right side? >> yes. >> is there anything new going on? >> not too much. >> hopefully that will change soon. >> maybe. >> the worst thing that's ever happened to him in his life is right now with his mom where she's at. that's the worst thing, that he hasn't been able to fix right now. him being home and her not being able to be here with him. i just want her home. i just wanted her to come home with us, you know, where she belongs. >> by next summer i'll look like
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george clooney so -- >> that's good. >> while surgeons won't able to attach paul's actual nose on to his face, the doctors have a plan to build him a new one. >> this is something that's going to require several surgeries, anywhere between three and five. one of the things we can do is take cartilage from your ear or your rib and it need be take bone from your hip and reconstruct the inner frame work of your why are. some people are spiritually crushed from these sorts of injuries and they never make it back. i don't get that sense from him. >> thank you once again. not only for saving my life but i'm thinking 9 t9% of the peopl
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coming in with this kind of injury wouldn't make it. if you hadn't been there, i don't know if i would have made it. thank you. >> you're welcome. you're welcome. >> our last impression of him never really changed from his first impression. through all his ups and downs, paul's stayed remarkably optimist being. >> because you can't change the facts. you past is done. all you can do it surch from the p
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pap. >> ronnie tye, also a veteran of the indiana state prison, is equally optimistic about his future with his new girl friend nicky. though his relationship has only one thing in common that he had with his ex-wife, because i really do love nicky. -- nicky because i don. >> but he lots to cover up before i ever get another one. he has names on him everywhere. and a portrait that needs to be covered. but he hasn't done that yet. so -- >> but i'm going to. >> like ronnie, jody is also ready to move on by altering her tattoos. >> mom, listen.
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mom. i'm going to get my tattoo covered. >> to get rid of the tattoo on her leg, she's going to have to cut her leg off. >> that's put. >> she discovered it would be harder than she had thought it would be. >> i'm getting ready to cover up monte tie's name. when i put it there, i yrngs go lieutenant, i feel weird. i feel like -- half of me feels
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like a death and the other half of me feels like a birth. >> jody has brought her friend amanda, along, for emotional support. >> kind of feels like closing a lid on a casket. >> better you than me. i'm tired, i guess. i don't even know how to describe this. never felt like this before. no, it ain't the tattoo. i think my heart's more broken than anything. so out with the old, on with the new. >> wup. i field frild jody's tattoo transformation is complete.
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it's a brighter day in detroit. people can see better when they're out doing their tasks, young people are moving back in town, the kids are feeling safer while they walk to school. and folks are making investments and the community is moving forward. 40% of the lights were out, but they're not out for long.they're coming back.
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extractions had made him something of a senation. >> are you serious? i watched this episode last night and became infatuated with this man. he is so sexy, he has an amazing body. i wish i knew him. i love big talk and muscular win. you know, making comments about how i look and stuff like that. it's nice. >> one admiring fan stuck out from the rest ands two began to correspond while roy spent another 15 months in prison on a professional violation. but she doesn't ask the life light. she asked she be be left in the individual. seemed like she had great energy and she really, i mean above.
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>> bone china. very, very nice. 1926. very old. it's a beautiful hobby. what i don't understand is why other people don't think it goes fa fact. >> beautiful? >> it is exactly like treasure hunting. and in history, who has touched this? who ate of this? >> probably our oldest may. >> i can't help it. if imgoing to have a problem, it's going to be with china. i can't get in trouble doing
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that. isn't that beautiful. i wep be a and everything around me seems bright, leer, lot of or zprrng. >> while roy proudly displays his johnson, his reminders from rison, coat owes, rej ends in. a >> i had some bad decisions that were made. my karmic debt, i have to wise up and don't try to live outside my means. i went to prison for robbery. i got excited, i'll do this, and you know what, things are going to be all right. things are going to be all right no matter what but you got do it the right way. even if you're going without a
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few things or you're poorer. that's still going to be all right. you can't go take something out of somebody else's hand because that's just going to be right. that's going to make things worse and that's not right. >> you have paid your car mick debt? >> yes, i believe i have. >> that chapter's over. >> after breaking his back falling off a 15-foot high roof, roy's twin brother ray finds himself questioning karma. >> it's a drag when you're out here doing the right thing you can't fet foo. >> >> unable to find steady work because of his physical problems, ray is writing his autobiography if i and wants to pursue his real fashion -- cooking. >> you know what, i'm trying to get focused, cull marry arts because i'd like to -- culinary
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the key is. sure he could roll it up in a burrito but that's the lazy way. you have to put it in like this and then flip it like that. that's good as hell. you know you put your fresh tom aid owes and fresh onion and screens. you got yourself. >> you know, when i first got out of the joint, i was listening to schday, one of those sad songs. right in the middle of french toast hi to break down. i couldn't even finish. and then it hit me, though.
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hit me when i was cooking. you're free, man, you're free. >> coming up -- >> my brother! >> ray and roy together again. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene, available as an oral rinse, toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isn't biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. choose, choose, choose. but at bedtime? ...why settle for this? enter sleep number...don't miss the memorial day special edition mattress with sleepiq technology.
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♪dancing and singing ♪baby come on over tonight roy and ray slagle have seen their lives change several times, both in and out of prison. but one thing that has remained constant for both men is the bond they share as brothers. >> what was it like the first time you saw him after that? >> i had to hold it down, i wanted to cry. i just held it in. he's my brother, i ain't seen him forever. >> if someone came and said one you two got to die, you or you, i would go ahead and take the bullet. i'd say, hey, i got this. i go to his life and he has his
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life and have i my life and neither one of us wants to complicate the other's life right now. >> but we were there for a lockup reunion a long time in the making. >> my brother! how you doing? >> let's kick it, brother! >> it doesn't take long for the brothers to find something to reminisce over. >> look at this. grandpa's old hat. i always loved grandpa. >> mom wouldn't let grandpa drink in the house so he'd go out, he'd grab this cowboy hat, put it on and walk out to the trunk of the car. he had a cadillac, open up the cadillac, open up the trunk, reach around, look this way,
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look that way, wipe the bottle off after you open a and chug it down. we were just little kid and we'd see these bubbles going up. he'd be drinking and this is the cowboy hat he would wear. >> ray has more recent mementos as well, like this photograph fwan a friend sho taken by a friend shortly after his release. >> it was raining real bad and i felt like the whole world was on my shoulders and i went and just sat there. >> sat in the rain. >> man, it was so, so, free and i just sat there and cried, oh, thank god i'm free, all those years locked up and i'm sitting out in the rain in the mountains and you smell the rain --
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>> the ever greens? >> the ever greens and -- >> but you kept your moment and the moments are what sustain you to the next moment. that's what i think. >> unfortunately too many of ray's moments have been filled with nothing but pain since he broke his back. >> that's in your back, all that metal in. >> that's all metal and then two screws here and two screws here and then two screws going out of that. >> what's the fake vertebrae made out of? >> titanium. >> to help him deal with the pain in his back, doctors embedded a pain pump. >> oh, man, it's heavy, though. >> i feel it. >> grab it. >> i don't want to hurt you.
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>> grab ask! >> it also required the removal of ray's rib. >> there's a hole there. so there's nothing protecting your lung there, bro. >> it's a big hole. >> i hate to see my brother with that. i tweaked my back before so i know. it can't even be compared to what he's going through. >> so the serenity prayer right there, that's how we live life. we have to keep pushing through. >> i'm worried about it. he has a past history of drugs and drinking and so on. now he has to take them for his pain. they can very easily be abused. i worry about that. >> how is your unemployment -- >> real fast. i'll be under a bridge in two
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months. >> no way. >> that's the way it's looking. >> well, you're going to have to figure something out and try and get a job even if you're banged up. >> i can't, roy. i'm done. >> what am i going to do? rob a drug dealer? >> no. >> get some money? >> no. >> where am i going to get the money? >> that's all have i to say, leave it there. >> you can either be a victim or survivor. bad things happen to all of us. you can be a victim or survivor. you have to make a choice. >> i'm a survivor. so are you. but we have to. >> you have to overcome. >> overcome it or sink, you know? >> don't sink. >> i'm going to try not to. >> don't sink! >> i'm going to try not to, damn it! >> but even in the gloomiest of circumstances, you can count on one thing from the slagle boys,
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they'll always find certainly to laugh about. >> you're going to be on the hill buried and you'll say that's too small a tombstone and you have a little cross. >> i was hoping to get cremated and you get a bag of ashes and i want to be sprinkled everywhere. >> no, jim beam. i hate jack daniels. you like jim beam. >> no, not no more. >> sprinkle, sprinkle, i can do
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that for you. but i ain't going to drink it. >> i didn't ask you to drink it. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> you're a man. you're grown. we shouldn't have to do this. >> an inmate gets suspicious tax forms and becomes a problem for the jail. >> don't be treating me like i'm stupid or something. i don't have time to play these cat and mouse games. a murder ends with a victim burned alive in a dumpster and pits friends and family against each other. >> this is an interesting case. they all have a different stor
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