cause health is everything. mother nature is showing no mercy down south. >> oh, no! >> good afternoon, i'm abby huntsman. forecasters are warning of rising floodwaters again near houston. the death toll from those southern storms is also rising now at 23 people. the threat could remain for weeks. right now, more slow-moving thunderstorms and heavy rains are sweeping in from stokes oklahoma and kansas. sparking fresh fears of flash flooding and even mud slides. president obama says the government must act now to counter the effects of climate change that are causing this type of catastrophic flooding. his thoughts are with the families.

>> we will stay in close coordination with them to make sure that our response is quick. that we're cutting through bureaucracy. and that we're helping them recover. there are still going to be weather events over the next several days that will potentially make things tougher for folks. i'm confident that the communities will ultimately get back on their feet. >> politics will put aside in texas as representatives from the families of some of those nine missing people spoke about the search efforts. >> this effort is not over. we are 100% committed to finding laura, andrew, leighton randy, will, ralph, and sue. we will need your support to keep this mission and the stories alive in the days weeks, and months ahead. >> we have a 40% chance of rain this evening into tomorrow. it is going to shift debris piles and affect the searched areas that they have previously

completed. >> gabe gutierrez reseris live in wimberley texas, where members of the four families are still missing. what is the latest where are you? >> reporter: hey there. good afternoon. as you mentioned representatives for the family members spoke this afternoon. they talked about those search efforts. this is a very emotional time. the body of one of those family members was found yesterday. and volunteers are out once again today scouring the blanco river for dozens of miles trying to find any sign of those missing. unfortunately, overnight, officials announced that -- officials here in hayes county had found the body of a young child. however, that child has not yet been identified. but again, family members say this is not over. they want to continue to search. as you mentioned, this is an unfolding disaster. a process across the state of texas as well as oklahoma. the death toll now up to 23.

nine people missing in texas. there are water, evacuations the called for in houston. hundreds being asked to evacuate there. really the concern is that there are swollen creeks and rivers throughout the state of texas. this could continue over the next couple of days as more rain is expected. again, the search continues here for the missing. a very emotional time in wimberley, texas. back to you. >> so tough. thank you very much for that update. some experts warn that the storms are a precursor to a phenomenon called el nino which in the past caused unusual weather patterns. one reason why hurricane experts are predicting a below average tropical season in the atlantic. noaa expects stockton 11 named storms with -- expects six to 11 named storms with at least three developing into hurricanes. a quieter than normal season but remember, it only takes one. case in point, 1992. there were seven named storms that year. the same predicted this year. one of the storm was named

andrew. it caused $45 billion in damage to south florida and killed dozens. superstorm sandy, which technically a hurricane when it made landfall was not a hurricane on the jersey shore three seasons ago. inflicted an estimated $65 billion in damage to the tri-state area. the 2015 hurricane season starts on monday. president obama is about to leave florida. he was at the national hurricane center near miami today focusing on climate change and how cities and the federal government are preparing for its impact. >> we are in constant coordination with state and local partners to make sure action plans are up to date. we're focusing on making ourselves more resilient to the changes impacting the climate that are having significant effects on both the pace and intensity of some of these storms. the best climate scientists in the world are telling us that extreme weather events like hurricanes are likely to become more powerful. when you combine stronger storms

with rising seas that's a recipe for more devastating floods. >> reporter: nbc's chris jansing is at the white house for us. the president's making climate change a big focus of the second term. >> reporter: now doubt about that. this is one of his legacy issues. you heard him talking about him talking about climate change in a range of places. even the commencement address he gave to the coast guard, he spent earth day in the everglades. he's trying to appeal to people looking at it in different ways. obviously in what it mean for the environment. he's also looking at what it means for the economy. what it means for technology. and he's been trying to get this message out in ways maybe that haven't been done before. now first of all, he would normally get the briefing from the national hurricane center experts here in washington. this time he decided to go down to florida. in addition to that if he was going to do a q&a, he would normally do it what, in a gymnasium or some sort of auditorium. today he took to twitter. it was really interesting to hear the range of questions.

a lot of them will have a focus on climb change about things like oil drilling and renewable energy. the things you might expect. there were no limitations put on twitter questions. he also answered about things like student loans and in the end i guess we should expect it from a young audience out there. given the fact the president was such a fan of basketball, he got asked a question about the nba playoffs and made a statement that is sweeping and shocking that "lebron is the heart of the cavs." now we know where the president stands that a lifelong cleveland fan. i had to get that in. this is something you'll be hearing more about. i'll make one more point. yesterday again as part of this overall push the epa and administration are putting regulations on issue dealing with clean water act. this is something we're seeing

with legacy issues from immigration to climate change. they're things that ultimately may end up being decided in the courts. >> good stuff. chris jansing at the white house. thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. go, cavs. the field of politicians vying to fill the white house keeps getting larger. former three-term governor and republican george pataki threw his hat in the ring. his bid for many is considered to be a long shot by many. looks increasingly likely that ohio governor john kasich could follow suit. by nbc's count, that is 189 possible and declared republican -- 19 possible declared republican candidates. 19. good to see you from "business insider." i can't believe that. 19 people. you look at that photo -- why do so many people want to be president? >> well, it's a pretty open year. there's no incumbent this time around. this is a chance for team who have long had this am fwoigz jump in. >> do they know how challenging

it is to run for president? i've been through this -- it is probably one of the toughest things anyone could go through. they will soon figure out i guess. >> yeah. but i also think it's an opportunity for some people who know in their heart that they're not going win to you know get a future book deal. to maybe end up in a chair like this for the next cycle. >> that's exactly it. first read talks about the huckabee effect. a lot of folks surely know they're not going win. this is setting them up for the future, for a television deal, book deal higher speaker fees. it seems disgusting that we have a large number of people using the presidential process as an advertisement for themselves. here's where you are -- where we are. >> yeah. it creates an actual problem for the process because we do have to have debates. and the gop is left with a problem that i think is best summed up by the foo gees, too many mcs, and not enough mikes. found it! how do you get so many people on one stage in an hour? >> i'm trying to think of the

foo gees reference now. >> you can wait. >> out done on "the cycle" set. you make a good point. rick santorum would be a classic example. here's someone who did very well in iowa. somebody was talking about this week. has a base of some kind. as i would say a serious conservative candidate if unlikely to win the presidency. but he may not even make the debates because of these weird rules. why don't the rules take into account people who have won the votes of republican primary voter before? >> well, i spoke to a republican party operative today. first off, they're saying the system they have created is that it will be left up to the networks to decide who gets on stage. they're also saying that going by this average of national polls, which is the way they're going to pick the top ten candidates who get to debate, will leave it up to the voters who we see on stage. >> you ready for a foo gees reference? i came "american sniper." ready or not, here the republicans come!

that's the best i could come up with. >> the question is if they want them. >> the democrat don't have as many candidates in the field, but the field is growing larger by the day. we've got bernie sanders making it official. american m myrna mally. there's a piecing that the clinton folks fear sanders more than martin o'malley despite the fact that he's a former governor, former mayor, has progressive accomplishment under his belt. >> i think everyone's been surprised by sanders a bit. he had a lot stronger fundraising than people were predicting. he pulled off a p.r. master stroke where he got coverage for announcing three weeks after announcing. i think he's doing a pretty good job getting off to a strong start, whereas o'malley we haven't seen him get in yet. that will happen -- >> it sounds like you're saying that hillary is the lauren hill

and people thought bernie sanders was going to be the praz but he's the wyclef. >> hillary is like wyclef and like wyclef she says "i'll be gone until november." >> wow. what a way to end this statement. thank you. i hope you come back again. >> thanks. >> please consider it. there's much more to come this hour in "the cycle." connecticut governor dan malloy's in the guest spot. he says he's not running for president. what he is doing has gained national attention. also, russia accused the u.s. of meddling in the soccer world. i'm sorry, by meddling did they mean fixing? and the guy who graduated last week has the lead story in the"the new yorker"." when it comes to good nutrition...i'm

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george pataki's entrance to the 2016 race took many by surprise. even more surprising, the total number in contention. pataki, the former republican of new york, is the eighth. the field expected to rise to ten next week. it's hillary clinton and bernie sanders on the democratic side. hillary enjoying that front-runner status. tell always remain? connecticut governor dan malloy has been asked about his own presidential aspirations before and ruled out a run this cycle. he's busy chairing the democratic governors association, involved in 14 contested raise this year. he's here to talk about the race and his party's positions. how are you? >> i'm doing well. great to be with you. >> great to have you here on "the cycle." let me start with what's going on the democratic side. hillary clinton's talking about working families. bernie sander jump out and says

the economy is immoral. we've had similar criticisms of wall street from martin o'malley. is this the key issue for democrats to run on and win on in 2016? >> i think it's a very big issue. i think hillary's talked about. it the other two have talked about. i know all three of these people. know them fairly well. bernie a little bit less. although i've watched him a lot on this show and other. i think we can have a robust discussion that leaves the party in better shape. i'll go back to something you were covering a while ago. that's on the environment and climate change. i think that's another area where democrats distinguish themselves to a very great extent from where the republicans are which is the world is flat we're going to deny everything. carbon has nothing to do with weather. i think there are more than enough issues for us to reach out to our democratic base with. but also to reach out for those who are unaffiliated voters. unaffiliated voters know there's climate change. unaffiliated voters know that

the economy's unfair. unaffiliated voters overwhelmingly, for instance, support increasing the minimum wage. something that really only democrats are doing in this country. >> governor, as you know, a lot of democratic elected officials are lining up to endorse hillary clinton already. are you ready to endorse hillary clinton? >> i'm not ready yet. quite frankly, i'm tied down in a legislative session. i've really pushed whatever i'm going do until after next wednesday. we're in the final hours and days of a legislative session. i've got to get a budget done, i've got to get legislation passed. >> are there issue in particular that you'll be looking at though, in making that decision? >> well, again, i'll go back to this. i know all three candidates' positions well. i have previously supported hillary clinton. and i've had a good relationship with her. martin is a personal friend of mine. bernie i've admired from afar. i think we have three great democratic candidates.

i'll speak to that after my legislation legislation-- legislative session. >> we want to ask about the campaign trail and the justice reform. we've seen blue and red states dial back the war on drugs. you've been pushing legislation to remove some of the ridged sentence that's have increased the prison population. we'll put up a couple on the screen. you have a proposal to treat nonviolent drug offenses as misdemeanors and end automatic mandatory minimum sentences for certain drug possession. you say this improves on the state laws that -- that are on the books in your state which currently require a two-year jail sentence for drug poz investigation certain areas. why do you think this approach is better for public safety? >> let's start with the economics. it costs us $120 a day to keep somebody in prison. we have about 500 people in prison today simply on possession, not for saemp not for dealing or -- not for sale, not for dealing or giving it away. simply because they had it on their person or in their car. at $120 a day, it gets pretty

darn expensive. if they're a young a juvenile that cost can skyrocket to $300,000 in -- for a year of incarceration. so number one, let's be practical. two, think of all the lives that are changed because we're pursuing that treatment. one of the thing i say is let's stop giving advanced degrees in -- in being a criminal by sending people to jail when they're not really criminals. and so i think -- that's very important. then there's another part of this, frankly. that is that these laws have a disproportionate impact on black and brown people. they're written in such ways to be about urban environments and urban zones where people are densely populated. listen, when you're going to write laws that way you have to look at the disparate effect on people based on race as well as where thrive. >> you're absolutely right. there's a disparate impact on black and brown people because these laws and because of the patterns and practices of police throughout the country. statistics that you surely know one in three black men are

likely to go to prison at some point in their lives despite black and white people using and selling drugs at similar rates. black and brown people kproiz 60% of those in state prisons for drug offenses during traffic stops. people of color, three times more likely to be searched. this all contribute to the 1.5 million black men missing from society. either dead or in prison. many of those folks are in connecticut. how much do you think your state has lost because of the disparate treatment of the black and brown people who live in connecticut? >> i think it has -- the impact per year in lost productivity is in the hundreds of millions of dollars. you know, you get a felony conviction, and you end up in prison for two years for simple possession, your life's not over. your life is adversely impacted for the rest of your life. your earnings are adversely impacted. on top of the costs that we have to shell out to keep you housed for that period of time. i'm really concerned about the

disparate impact with respect to young black people ending up with criminal records where a similar situated kid but in a different community because he's in part taking into consideration his white race is not going to end up in that same situation. that has lifelong consequences. and i think as a society we have to deal with those and have to say do we really want people in prison because they simply possession drugs? i'm not talking about sale. we're not changing anything with respect to sale. what i'm saying is, we are wrecking people's lives. but we're also wrecking our economy and having adverse impact on our ability to fund things like education. shouldn't we be funding education and funding drug treatment and alcohol treatment? wouldn't that be a better way to spend our money? >> as you know -- >> let me say one thing. i'm a former prosecutor. i tried 23 felony cases. i had convictions in 22 of those cases. i tried four homicides as a prosecutor and also tried homicides as a defense attorney.

i'm pretty tough on crime. but i'm also pretty tough on how we spend our money. and the bad investments that we've been making for a better part of two generations. >> yeah. i want to ask about that. as you know conservatives saying this bill is actually too soft on crime. so even if there are a lot of good ideas in this bill, which i believe there are, isn't it fair to say conservatives do have a point when they err on the side of keeping criminals off the streets? >> sure. we should keep criminals off the streets. you know -- absolutely. but should we do it in such a way that has a disparate impact on black and hispanic people? should we fail to recognize that that's the case? should we fail to recognize that the laws are in fact written in such a way that they actually further burden people in urban environments than they do in non-urban environments? should we close our eyes to the reality of that i don't think we should. i'll go back to this we need to examine how we spend our money and what the long-term implications on lives, not lost

to death so much as lost to earning capacity and the ability to get a college education or finish your high school or get a student loan or have a decent place to live. those added -- making those things impossible to do has this unbelievably disparate impact on people of color, but also really does great damage to our economy. if you think about some of your urban environments in this country, think about trying to bring them back when a large percentage of people have criminal records, where they wouldn't have criminal records if they lived someplace else in your state. >> right. as you've been arguing, that seems unfair no matter how it was originally written. governor malloy thanks for spending time with us today. >> thank you. next the president of fifa breaking his silence on this international soccer scandal that is not going away. how he is avoiding indictment himself. we'll chop it up and spin it around. stay tuned. ortho bug b gon gives you season-long control of all these types of bugs. spectracide gives you season-long control...

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the fallout continues from indictments against 14 fifa officials and executives on charges of bribery and eco-torsion today. fifa president sef blatter said he would work to change fifa. >> we cannot allow the reputation of football and fifa to be dragged through the mud any longer. it has to stop here and now. >> blatter faces re-election tomorrow. for now it appears to be manufacturer a re-coronation. we have more on the re-coronation from london. >> reporter: good afternoon. sepp blatter said today corruption charges against fifa have heaped shame and humiliation on the game of soccer but they had nothing to do with him. it was a brazen claim in a global dispute that's now bringing together sport, politics, and business in a perfect storm. a storm that today of aimed directly at the most powerful man in global sports, sepp

blatter. from him, this was a typical show of defiance and denial. he said he could not be held personally responsible and condemned the actions of individuals for bringing humiliation on soccer. so the u.s. authority are alleging systemic and deep-rooted corruption. he says he can't monitor everyone all of the time. he was moralizing, making big promises, plooeding that he's not responsible in spite of the fact that he's run world soccer for two decades. he said we have to earn trust back through the decisions we make. it was a performance. however, he is on track to be re-elected tomorrow as president for a fifth time aged 79. this is a man who has run world soccer for two decades. but they've been two decades in which allegations of corruption and scandal have simply grown and grown. nevertheless the smaller

countries, especially africa and asian countries, will vote for him. europe will vote against. i think tomorrow afternoon in zurich he will be re-elected as president of a beleaguered organization. back to you. russian president vladimir putin also sounded off on the construction blasting the u.s. -- yes. >> what? >> the u.s. for meddling in fifa affairs. putin hinted it's all a conspiracy to take the 2018 world cup away from russia! as if. friend of the show josh bauer tweeted, "dear world, we don't even like soccer and we're still going clean up fifa for you. love, america." this is important but how much you care may be closely related to where you live. does this matter and should people care? let's spin and before we start spinning, i've got to run a little bit of john stewart last night talking about this from that. >> it looks to me like they're going jail for all the money they -- stole!

[ applause ] >> and look, americans generally don't care about professional soccer. i understand that, fine. we can talk about that another day. we care about inequality. we care about fairness, people who try to use their power for personal gain. that's ultimately what this is about. a small group of people using their position to move money from bank of these nations into their personal bank account, and that sort of illegally acquired wealth cements their position in the 1%. crystal, that is outrageous. >> it is outrageous. i will say that in addition to the allegations that are in these indictments, also the way the games in russia and qatar were allocated as being looked into by the swiss in particular and we see that the fact that the qataris aren't ready to put these games on and we see that

that has a real human toll, 1,400 migrant worker already dead, estimated up to 4,000 by the time the games happen. i will say one thing that will make this matter a lot more is if fifa sponsors actually decide to drop out. so far, no one has dropped out. visa is making the loudest noises about potentially going away. if sponsors don't drop, are viewers going to drop? are fans going to stop attending? sepp blatter is getting re-elected tomorrow r. they going to change the administration? are they going to reallocate the games? doesn't look like it to me. >> when it comes to money, those things prosecute r probably not going to change. you said an interesting point. we don't follow soccer as much in the u.s. as other places in the world. when the story breaks, there are american reading saying i don't know about this organization trying to wrap their head around it. all the while to the tweet, the u.s. steps up and is are the adults in the room. i think it speaks to our values and what we represent.

if we're not going to do it, no one else is going to. vladimir putin, if anything, this is another example of how separate we are from you in terms wherever we stand on things and how complicated foreign policy is, as you understand it now when he comes out with statements like that. >> a remarkable spin. >> unbelievable. >> he's unbelievable. it does remind me of the soccer joke, what's more exciting than soccer -- anything. >> aw. >> soccer's boring. it is boring to watch. >> no -- >> that's not fair. >> i know that this is a minority global opinion. >> very american-centric -- >> there's very few goals. >> i love soccer. >> what you see that's exciting -- >> you love so many sports ari. it's odd that you don't like soccer. i don't get it. >> the machinations and complexity of the bribery and double dealing and what sometimes amounts to extortion is extraordinary. this is how this runs. i think it is interesting that the u.s. steps up, i don't think it's a clean and obvious decision because if you flip it around, you look only two americans over there, most of these indict read foreigners.

the long arm of the law is extraditing them and bringing them here. if you flip it and imagine 12 nfl executives, even if they were accused of wrong doing, being shipped to some country we don't like extradited over, you can imagine people feeling differently. all you have to do is the thought experiment. >> that's not a perfect thought experiment. nfl is outside the u.s. a little bit. this is awide organization. >> that's not the issue. the only issue under the law is that they did this through american means. that's the hook. you could have something largely in one country. if there's a nexus legally, you can get people. the difference is most countries who are involved didn't have the political will to go after it. >> right. >> whereas loretta lynch has been leading this investigation from when she was in brooklyn to a. g. she's not afraid of these people. it's an incredible move. >> you lost me when you said soccer's boring. it is not, sir. >> you know what they say, if they lose you --

whether or not you follow soccer which apparently ari does not, i know one thing -- millions of americans tune in for any chance they can get, amc's zombie hit "the walking dead." i recently chatted with one of the star of the show. emily kinney. showcasing another talent aside from zombie slaying. her music. she's in the middle of a nationwide tour. she talked about chasing your dreams. if you could do anything acting singing, broadway what would be the perfect world for you? where you'd be happy forever? >> yeah. the perfect world for me would be to keep doing all of them to be honest. i feel like i love connecting with an audience. i love telling stories. it doesn't matter to me if it fits into tv or fits into theater. it's that i want to do work that i -- that inspires me and feels like it connects with an audience. >> so was adorable. you can watch the full talk with

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it." one even said that efforts to guarantee fair pay reminded him of the soviet union. to that i say what century are they living in? [ applause ] >> even if congress were to fix this issue a new must-read book argues some laws don't accomplish exactly what they intended. the book is called "under the bus." it's about how some labor laws originally written to protect women against workplace discrimination have only served to marginalize some of them no matter how hard they work. here with is the author caroline frederickson. nice to see you. i want to get to the legal portion, but i want to start with the experience of some of the women that you spoke with trying to work and make ends meet in this economy. you talked to one mom who's torn by the scheduling of her job the way the laws coincide with that. she said, "i feel like my work is forcing me to choose between

keeping my job or caring for my children." how am i supposed to take care of my children when i earn so little despite working two jobs? talk about the reality for some of these women. >> right. well let me start off and make a slight clarification to what you said about my book "under the bus." it's actually more that the laws which are designed to protect workers actually in some cases explicitly leave out types of jobs that are dominated by women. and i think so few of us know that there are these women who are toiling, doing all sorts of jobs but often thing close to us. they may be taking care of kids they're nannies, they may be taking care of parents as home health aides. and in a variety of contexts they're doing the hard work. they're not earning the money. they're not getting make even. they're not getting overtime. they have no protection was discrimination. this story that we need to examine, and in "under the bus,"

i looked at workers, particularly these jobs dominated by women. retail sector as well the restaurant sector is one where employers are mother nature going abusive scheduling practices where they don't tell fwhoerk advance what their schedules are going to be. the woman in question is working for many hours but doesn't know when. and earning very little money. she's -- she has to call in on the day of -- she thinks she might be working. she might find out she's got to work, in which case what to do with the children. she might find out she doesn't have to work in which case what to do about not earning a wage that day. >> right. >> you family size in the book how so much of that is the product of policy even when we don't always realize. you worked on that writing bills for several senators which is how we met. i worked for you when you were chief of staff for senator cantwell. thinking about that one point you make that i'd like you to expound. is that books like "lean in" from cheryl sandberg that talk about the way that women can put themselves forward in the workplace, you argue that there's nothing inherently wrong

with that but it is such a smaller scale way to think about these problems than actually trying to change the workplace or change the society to make it fair to women and working mothers. >> that's exactly right. i think cheryl sandberg is very right to say there are cultural barriers and things that we women internalize, don't be good at math don't be smart. don't speak up, don't be aggressive. those things. really, for most women in the workplace, that's not really the issue. and if you're working a low-wage job and you go and ask for a raise, you might actually get fired. and i think that's really a much more existential issue than should you be more self-confi self-confident self-confident. i think one of the things i started thinking about is the conversation was going on about leaning in, opting out, what do women do, thinking, wait a second we're talking about a slim sliver of the working population, a slim sliver of the women in the working world, what happens when those women who are

trying to lean in have to stay late at the office, and they have a nanny, what happens to her kids? that's when i started thinking about it. >> i want to get into that i'm attempted to ask what it was like to have ari work for you. it's a serious book. let's stay to that focus. you write "our system of childcare or lack thereof fails all families with quality," as you mention schiek failing working mothers. >> that's true. this is not a low-wage issue. it's an all-wage issue except for the very top. schiek almost childcare is almost unaffordable. some families are paying 1/3 of their income or more to childcare. can cost as much as in-state tuition for a state college. if you were of to kids, kids starts saving now -- start saving now before you're 10 years old. if you want childcare, you need to start saving your pennies very early. it's a national shame because we

have people who just can't afford it. and then the consequences are really grave. the department of labor even has a category they call self-care. that is what we can imagine what it is. when those kids are just left alone. >> you make a lot of great point. the pushback from companies and from many conservatives is, hey, if you put a mandate at the federal level across the board to force companies to pay for a pay leave here you're going to have companies, not all companies, but smaller companies who say we just can't afford that. that discourages us from hiring women. that is a reality here, isn't it? it? >> i think there are a lot of ways to approach this. do we have a national policy? others have approached it differently than the privatized system we tend to favor. you know one way to discourage to make sure that employers aren't discouraged from hiring women is to have it be a payroll tax. more like social security. happened, so it's all employees. and also have ways where you

encourage men to take leave. sweden has a use it or lose it. if the man doesn't take time, it's not that his time gets to be used by the woman. it's total time for the family. it's had a real impact on limiting the amount of discrimination against mothers in the workplace. >> that is such a great point. such an important piece. i've got to say, i am hoping that affordable childcare is central to the 2016 elections. it's such an important issue for working parents, men women alike. caroline, it's a great book. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. i appreciate being on. and ari was the best hire i ever had. >> that was can't be true! >> not possible! >> we'll have to take that up another time. thank you very much. >> thanks. up next, a journey to jihad. an in-depth look at why teens are joining isis and how we can stop them. a man that you might remember as a contestant on "the voice" is now giving a voice to their stories.

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turning to the middle east and the fight against isis. according to the latest numbers from the united nations, they estimate more than 25,000 fighters from over 100 countries have made their way to iraq and syria to fight for the terrorist organizations. that's more than half the recognized sovereign nations on the planet. thousands of those fighters come from european nations. what is driving these young men,

and in in some cases women, to take up arms in a foreign land? our next guest used his own voice, literally using money as he earned own voice literally using money from hit show "the voice" to the syrian border talking with families searching for their young kids. journey to jihad, new yorker contributor, a catholic high school student to jihadist. ben joining us at the table. thank you so much. con congrats. you've got to be the youngest person on the cover of "the new yorker." amazing stuff. and the article, so fascinating. it really is. and the big takeaway for me the young kids want to join isis part of what motivates them is hitting sort of rock bottom in life and feeling like this is the one thing that can give them a purpose to make them feel like there's something. was that -- >> the radicalization process is a slow thing. although sometimes it can happen in a matter of months this particular character, the main

protagonist in my story, undergoing a period of crisis as you said. had to drop out of high school, his girlfriend dumped him and described this period to the police in his interrogations as looking for an alternative to the pain. and a new friend of his introduced him to islam. and he dove into the religion in a moderate mosque and found solace in the practice of the five daily prayers but quickly lured into an extremist group. it was very much in contention with the mosque. called sharia. sent 50 belgians into syria over the next eight months. >> the martyr to syria and goes to paradise good deeds for bad deeds, jihad is the best deed but the mindset is completely different than going to war and

a victory and survive. he's happy to die and quickly. >> he is a westerner. a belgian kid that grew up, born in antswert as were most in the process. they had a recruiter who was very effective and charismatic. this charismatic recruiter is good at taking especially i was told by an expert that often in europe in the west they tend to get converts and the newly devout because it's easier to distort the religion in front of them. so this guy taught them that the mosque in the town that they used to go was not a mosque but a temple. he said he taught them that the moderate moderate imams don't talk about it because of state funding. he said the best reward in paradise earned by battlefield

martyrdom. >> does the reality match that vision of glory to the reality of being a jihadist? >> not at all. in fact my protagonist, one of the most interesting things about his story is that he was almost immediately thrown in prison by his own comrades. so he got cold feet upon his arrival. he didn't really want to train. he wasn't into the violence. and he wanted to go home. and shortly thereafter browsing through his phone, his group found a text message that mentions israel. and they decided he was an israeli spy and imprisoned for seven months. >> this is a piece everyone needs to read. it's a challenge we face. thank you for providing this. up next i hope the 2016 candidates were listening to that conversation. it will affect your road to the white house. my thoughts on that next. and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed.

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we talk a lot about foreign policy here on the show because more and more it is dominating the news cycle. just when we think things are beginning to settle down in the middle east, we open the paper or scan the twitterverse and find isis is trying to run off to syria. and officials estimate 150 americans have been recruited by isis. as we just discussed in the last segment, more than 4,000 europeans have gone to syria to join the fight. these are just the ones we know about. who knows how many have been successful? it's incredibly unsettling and impossible not to think about. here on "the psychcycle," we have minds to wrap what's going on. what is our strategy when it

comes to the middle east? no one has an answer. >> given the environment that i think we're going to face in the middle east, think the first thing is we don't have a strategy at all. we're basically sort of playing this day-to-day. >> it's really hard. because so many people lost their lives. so many people so many marines particularly all across iraq. but to watch that sacrifice, to watch that effort come unravelled is pretty tough. >> all of us would like to see the iraqi army be able to reconstitute itself and stand and defend what is essentially the iraqi sovereign nation but it ain't happening. >> our strategy however you want to describe it looks and sounds a lot like a game of whack a mole. the next one is just right around the corner. keep in mind we spent over $2 trillion on the iraq war since it started back in 2003.

$2 trillion. and the situation only seems to be getting worse. how is this possible? how can we continue to put forth so many of our own resources with barely anything to show for it? no wonder terrorism is close to the top of list of issues americans care about. higher than immigration and race relations. my guess is 2016 will be the first election where foreign policy is going to be a major factor. most americans are fed up with the idea that we have no idea what we're doing. there is no end in sight and no one seems to be able to tell us what success even looks like. so if you're running for president or thinking of running for president, this is not the time to litigate the past. who you voted for against the war or 14 years, this is not the time to play the political blame game. we are where we are. who knows what we'll be faced with come 2016. a year ago, most of us never heard of isis. we have to look ahead, not back. now is the time to tell us what you think our role in the world should be. what is your vision of what our strategy should be?

i don't have all the answers but i do know we cannot afford more of what we've had for the past 15 years. that does it for this cycle. have a great day. ari "now" starts right now. banning the death penalty. vladimir putin not happy with fifa and flood-weary texas. it's thursday may 28th and this is "now." >> oh no! >> rising rivers and violent winds are forcing more people from their homes in texas. >> no city can handle anything like that. 6 inches fell in just one hour. >> 6 inches of falling water can actually knock a person off their feet. 23 people are now confirmed dead. >> it's the desperate search still under way