decide. >> we don't yet have all the details. in fact, it's not as i'm told been fully negotiated yet. i do have concerns. >> hillary clinton can be for the trade agreement. she can be against the trade agreement. i just don't know. >> the horse race. the 19 candidates who signaled they might run. >> this is a crowded field. >> later, the duggar dilemma. >> you supported the duggar family. we had the revelation last week. what was your reaction? >> i was sickened by it. >> and viral video. >> everybody can coexist together, man. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with the bernie bump. he's been on the trail for 2 days and already giving hillary clinton's campaign real headaches. during a campaign event in new hampshire, his first stop since

his official announcement senator sanders spoke with clarity on the transpacific partnership. >> i am helping right now, as we speak, to lead the opposition to this transpacific partnership trade agreement. now, hillary clinton can be for the trade agreement. president is. she can be against the trade agreement. i am. many others are. but i don't know how you don't have an opinion on this enormously important issue. >> this is the only sound bite that america wants to hear right now because this is the pressing issue. now, that is speaking with clarity and that's what campaigns are supposed to be about. let people know exactly where you are on key issues. senator sanders is leading the opposition against the transpacific partnership. meanwhile, we have no idea where hillary clinton stands on trade. we get a lot of parameters but we don't get absolutes.

clinton said she has some concerns about the tpp, but overall, let's be serious. this is her main talking point. >> i have said that i'm going to, you know, make up my mind. i've been for trade agreements against some. i want to judge this when i see what exactly is in it and whether or not i think it meets my standards. >> well respectfully, mrs. clinton, you were in the united states senate. the united states senate has already voted on the trade agreement. they voted last week. and it was passing. no question about it. now it's up to the house. it's a lot of democrats in the house that want to know where the leading candidate stands on what is going to be a massive trade deal for this country. now, hillary's position on trade, i think, is anything but clear. she's outlined what she wants in a deal. she's outlined what she wants in a trade deal. but she wants to see exactly what's in it?

hasn't the senate seen what's in it? she wants to see it before she makes a decision. give me a break. hillary clinton was secretary of state when this deal was being negotiated. i find it hard to believe that the secretary of state is so in the dark about the tpp. i agree with senator sanders. i find it hard to believe that hillary clinton can't come to some kind of conclusion on this an absolute. not a parameter of what she's looking for. the clinton campaign is hoping that the house will vote on fast track asap so they don't have to deal with this issue anymore. clinton's refusal to take a stand on certain issues is starting to chip away at her lead in the polls as well. over the past month, i know we're a long way away but she's going in the wrong direction. hillary clinton lost three points on the lead. bernie sanders jumped 7 points. now at 15%. is this a trend or a bump? with 8 months to go.

politico reported hillary clinton's campaign is frightened of sanders. not that he would win the nomination but he could damage her with the activist base by challenging her on core progressive positions and debates and make her look like a centerist. isn't that what campaigns are about? frightened about the truth? i find that hard to believe. it's not just trade. hillary clinton has been silent on other issues like the keystone xl pipeline. it's important to point out, hillary clinton's campaign web site, it does not have an issues page. i saw that today and i just found that startling. senator sanders' web site had an issues tab from the start. when do democrats get to play fair with one another and say, enough is enough. the house is ready to vote on this. the senate already voted on

this. let's get it answered. we come down to the 11th hour on trade in this congress. democratic voters deserve to know where hillary clinton stands on trade and the transpacific partnership. it's time for an absolute. we've got anna edward absolute from bernie sanders. we have not, in fairness got an absolute from hillary clinton. that's a lot of people who want to know if she was still in the senate how would you have voted mrs. clinton? is this bill clinton's influence on his wife? he was a free trader. he was for nafta. what's going on here? why can't we get the absolute answer from hillary clinton? is this loyalty to her former boss? president obama, that's a question in itself. when president obama was in the united states senate, he said that he was going to do something about currency manipulation. guess what? this trade deal doesn't have anything about currency manipulation. it doesn't have anything about investor state disputes or circumventing american law. why do we have representatives

in washington if we're going to let international try bualestribunals deal with trade? there's going to be a lot of people to remember she didn't take a complete stand on trade before the house voted. if this is causing political problems for hillary clinton, why in the world would john boehner bring it to the floor for a vote? why not make sure hillary clinton takes a stand on this? i would venture to see the republicans would rather go against bernie sanders than hillary clinton, so there's a lot of political calculations taking place right now. there's only one sound bite this broadcaster wants to hear from hillary clinton and that's where she stands absolutely just like every union worker in this country stands absolutely opposed to the transpacific partnership. this should not be that hard. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is the tpp going to cause political problems for hillary clinton?

go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we bring you results later on the show. so what are they saying in the middle of the country? let me bring in wisconsin congressman mark powecan and scott paul president of the alliance for american manufacturing. gentlemen, great to have you with us. congressmen, i want to know what your constituents are saying in wisconsin in the middle of the country. are they aware of fast track and tpp and are they paying attention to it? >> they're very aware of it. just a couple of weeks ago id had listing sessions. this came up as an issue. in lafayette county the biggest town in lafayette county is 2400 people. they just lost a company with 36 jobs that's going to mexico and they applied for trade adjustment assistance. we still see that. if you think about that, 36 jobs in darlington is like losing 3600 jobs in madison also in my

district. this is a big issue. people talk about, everyone democrat or republican should be standing against the trade deal that we don't know enough about with protections for labor, currency, there's many reasons to oppose this. >> congressman, do your constituents in wisconsin in the middle of the country, are they curious about president obama's reversal on this? are they talking about it? >> i've got asked several times while we did the listening sessions. why does the white house support this? i think this question was asked of the gentlemen who did trade for president reagan who now o opposes the trade deals. now he thinks this is a bad route for america and his analysis was that the white house, no matter who's president, looks at this for geopolitical reasons. how do you give something to your allies especially where

china is a dominant economic force. that ignores what i care about more, we lose more jobs here in the united states and we have wages depressed right here at home. to me that is exactly what happens every time we have a trade deal that doesn't have the proper protections and that's why anyone should oppose the transpacific partnership if it doesn't have those things. i can tell you it doesn't right now. >> this isn't about playing political favorites. i want the audience watching "the ed show" tonight this isn't about bernie sanders. it's not about hillary clinton. it's not about president obama. it's about those folks out there in this american economy and their future and this stability. it's not about choosing up sides. this is an issue. and it's not a cheap shot nor is it negative to say, where does this candidate stand on something that is going to be so huge to our global economy? where is america going with this? scott paul you have recently

written, and you wrote about president obama. when he was a senator running for the white house. president obama, barack obama said he'd get tough on currency but now with an opportunity to do something about it as president, he's changed his tune. what do you make of that mr. paul? >> well i'd like to see more of the barack obama of 2007 and a little less of what we're seeing today. if he was true to his words in 2007 i would add, if senator clinton is true to the words she spoke back in 2007 as well there would be no doubt that this process the tpa, the fast track authority and the agreement, the transpacific partnership would look a lot different than they are today. and that they would represent the interests of working people the challenge has been that and i think representative pokan pointed this out, it's about geopolitics. i think that's a flawed

argument. it's about wall street and losing touch with working people across america. i would just add, the clarity calling for dealing with currency manipulation and trade deals. could have been a game changer on this. i would like to hear senator clinton talk in the way that she did in the 2007 campaign about this with greater clarity. i think voters in iowa and new hampshire expect an answer. i think they'll be answering her consistently and i hope they receive one. >> the clinton campaign i'm getting a sense they want this vote in the house to take place asap to say, it's already passed and this is the way it is so we have to deal with it moving forward. no. i mean this is not a slam dunk in the house and the votes

aren't there. this is a huge vacation the congress is taking right now because they're getting input from folks back home and this is building. the votes aren't there, or are they congressman? >> no. in fact, they will pull a vote when the white house and the republican leadership and paul ryan think they have the votes lined up but i can tell you on the house democratic side there are only maybe 20 people right now who are at the yes and the rest of us with noes s and at least 60 votes and growing who don't want to give up or sovereignty. some of the provisions. the tribunals. we're going to fight this to the last breath we have and i hope that we are successful because we are hearing it from our districts that people don't want this. they're simply not real constituents that say i think

you should pass this. >> back to the currency manipulation for a moment. china and japan are big players in this deal. scott paul be very clear. they have a record of currency manipulation, correct? and also hillary clinton has said currency manipulation has to be addressed. well, in this trade deal it is not addressed. so how much more information does hillary clinton have to have to take a definitive stance on this issue? your thoughts. >> ed, it's very clear. again, this is something that democrats and republicans largely agree upon. we have businesses in labor that agree on this point as well. even if you don't think china or japan manipulate their currencies today just as some smart people say you don't throw away your umbrella when it's sunny outside because it's going to rain again. they have a pattern on this. they have a history. we have sky high trade deficits with china and japan. they cost american jobs all across wisconsin and iowa and new hampshire.

there are factories that have shuttered from the unfair trade practices and if we truly want a trade agreement that reflects 21st century interests, it's got to deal with currency manipulation. right now in this country if you're a hard working business if you're a worker and through no fault of your own you lose because of currency manipulation you have absolutely no recourse. it just happens. i would love to hear president obama change his position on this back to what it was in 2007. more importantly i think it's important for senator clinton to speak out on this very forcefully and also very specifically about what she expects. >> congressman mark pocan. thank you. this is a tough issue. it's a hard choice. but there are absolutes.

the american economy and jobs will be injured if we go down this road. if history is your guide, there's not one trade agreement this country can turn to even under the obama years, that can say it hasn't added to our trade deficit and that's american jobs. remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we'll have the results right after this break. follow us on facebook and you can watch my facebook feature, give mef a a minute and video podcast at wegoted.com. another into the race. we look at how the crowded conservative field fares against front-runner hillary clinton and allegations against josh duggar are putting conservatives in a duggar dilemma. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today.

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tpp transpacific partnership going to cause political problems for hillary clinton? there are the numbers. two-thirds of you have said yes. 35% say no. 65% say yes. we're right back on "the ed show." lots more. stay with us.

george pataki has thrown his hat into the ring. a lot of work to do.

no strong republican candidate out there right now. a now quinnipiac poll shows jeb bush, scott walker marco rubio, mike huckabee and ben carson all tied for first place at 10%. rand paul at 7%. ted cruz at 6%. donald trump is at 5%. and the scandal-plagued governor of new jersey chris christie at 4% but he hasn't officially announced. the poll shows hillary clinton is leading against all republicans. clinton is leading rand paul and marco rubio by four points. up on huckabee by 7 points. and jeb bush by 10 points. at this point in the game the republican presidential bench is looking pretty weak. nobody's off to a great start. for more let me bring in lanny davis, former white house special counsel and a heritage

action for america member. lanny, yes. i'm sure you're having a heart attack after that last block, but we're all fair here. i know you're a big clinton supporter. i am too. i just want some answers. dan, i want to ask you first. why is no one republican candidate surging here? is it too early or expecting too much? what do you make of these numbers? >> i think it's really early in the process. what the republican process is undergoing a thorough process, something the democrats are not doing, yet hillary clinton running away from these questions but republicans take their time. there's no sense of urgency, no rush. at the end of the nomination process, a good candidate is going to emerge. i think that candidate is going to be competitive with hillary clinton. >> okay. so you don't make anything of the numbers early on. nobody is jumping out. what is going to separate these candidates on the right as you see it right now dan? >> we're going to start to see that, i think, over the course of the next several months. one of the things that could separate it is a point you made about hillary clinton, ed. hillary is a corporatist

democrat and the republican candidate that can step out, articulate a clear, coherent vision about why hillary clinton is bad for hard working americans, i think that candidate will emerge and be tough with head to head polling with hillary clinton by tend of the summer. >> do you think she has a bernie sanders problem sf. >> >> she has a hillary clinton problem. none of the republicans are gaining traction at the national level. she is defined. everybody knows what they're getting with her. it's apparent they don't really like it. >> lanny davis, what do you make of this republican field? why is there no early front-runner at all? with familiar names like bush why is there nobody doing better than 10%? >> so i sympathize with dan. here's what he's looking at. the republicans are losing in every poll to hillary clinton and he just tried to make that good news. the republicans are using the expression corporatist about a party that opposes raising

minimum wages, has uniformly had stood against working people and don't exactly reject corporate wealth and tax policies that favor corporate wealth and he's got to now make the republican party into the party that the pop eweyu pop populist worker. >> is the camp worried about the trade talk going on and being clear on this? what do you make of it? >> first of all, bernie sanders inspires me. he's a great progressive democrat. if he starts from a small number and goes to a double digit number it shows that he takes stands that people admire. and i think that hillary clinton will be strengthened by having progressives to debate. but their difference of opinion will be narrow compared to the republicans.

we have so many different opinions among the republicans that we actually have donald trump getting 5%. i would love the 5% for donald trump for president. so really answer to your question, bernie sarndnders will be doing well. governor o'malley. we have a big progressive umbrella. we may have some differences but they're minor compared to the republicans. >> lanny, what about this story in politico that the clinton camp has frightened about bernie sanders, not that he would win the nomination but because of the strong positions he's taken with progressives and that would somewhat possibly put hillary in a position that might not be advantageous to her against the republicans, what do you make of that? >> first of all, i read that story carefully were the clinton camp. if you look at who they're quoting, there are two or three people who say i'm worried about bernie sanders and of course worrying means respecting.

and i respect bernie sanders. but there's no worry. we want vigorous debate in the democratic party and i had no idea who those people are, but they don't represent the majority of the people i associate with who want a vigorous debate on the democratic side among people who have differences on issues. that's good for us. not bad for us. >>. >> what about 53%? saying hillary clinton is not honest and trusttrustworthy. is it a hard number you believe in or the conservative media blitz that's relentless on hillary since she announced? what do you make of the number? >> i think there's a whole lot more to the number. i think that number will continue to get worse for her. the challenge will be to say, i know politicians aren't trustworthy but look at my leadership quality. that's called into question too. going back to the point about

berniers sanders. this will flush out hillary clinton for who she is. she went out of the way to defend boeing ge on the import/export. this is hillary clinton, the progressive democrat going out and siding with boeing, ge the u.s. chamber of commerce. there will be a nominee to slap her down for corporate welfare and twist the whole entire debate on its head. i don't know what lanny will do at that point. >> what i'm going to do is it's absolutely comical to hear a republican conservative talk about the chamber of commerce. the last time i looked progressive democrats the chamber was supporting. >> they support hillary next time at this rate. you never know. >> i tried not to interrupt you. so let me finish. there's no question when you're pounded over and over again you're going to be hit on the kinds of issues.

you'll find they're comparable for better. so the general distrust take a look at the data my friend. the general distrust of politicians in washington. there's no question that hillary clinton has taken a hit because of all this media and she's still beating, despite everything, every republican which my friend still unable to explain other than, oh well it's just for now and i agree polls are much too early to judge but it is comical to hear bad news made into good news. >> we will leave it there. lanny davis. appreciate the conversation. the duggar's family ties put republican candidates on the hot seat and next the clean-up continues after flooding devastates texas again. we have an update from the ground. stay with us. we're right back. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.

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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. just one day after officially announcing his second presidential campaign former pennsylvania senator rick santorum was asked about the allegations against his former supporter, josh duggar. >> the last time around when you ran, you had the support of the duggar family. >> they will fight for small businesses and bring american jobs back home. >> they had the revelation. i wonder what your reaction was. >> i was sickened by it. i was sickened by it. i prayed for those girls in particular to have gone through that is just hard to think about. >> it's a stark contrast to

former arkansas governor mike huckabee's response last week when he reaffirmed his support saying good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things. they're not the only republicans who have rubbed elbows with the 19 kids and counting star in an attempt to court social conservatives. in fact, nearly every 2016 republican presidential candidate has posed for a photo with duggar at various conservative events. over the years, josh duggar conservative, christian, ultra conservative brand became a photo op for some of the republican party's most prominent leaders to signal their allegiance to the religious right. where is the outrage? aside from huckabee in santorum there's a calculated silence coming from the crowd of gop hopefuls who once cozied up to the duggars for votes. in the rapid response panel,

professor of politics and also with us tonight, radio talk show host heidi harris. great to have both of you with us. heidi, what's going on here? it seemed to me that rick santorum was very clear in his position, but there's silence from those who use duggar as a photo op to cozy up to christian conservatives in the past. is this a problem? >> i'm not sure if they know what to say. let me go on record saying when you look at the hire ar ki what i consider horrible anytime you lay hands on a child, that's the top of my list. i read the complaint of investigative report. i'm sure you have too. it's pretty rep hencive. everybody knows that. i don't know why the other people in the gop have an obligation to say anything one way theor the other. i don't know what to do. it's not their fault he did this. it wasn't as if they've known about it covered for him and yet cozied up for him. they didn't think about it.

>> what about you, do they have an obligation to their constituents to make sure they're crystal clear after using duggar's image in the past as family values? >> i think they have a moral obligation to do so but i think there are some clear electoral disincentives for them coming forward. mostly because we talk about evangelicals who comprise 26% of the electorate but half of primary republican voters are evangelicals and unfortunately, mike huckabee's stance is consistent with evangelical voters' position. the idea you can deal with things within the family that you can pray about things. you can ask for forgiveness and that is enough. i, of course do not think that is enough. i am proud of rick santorum for at least coming out and speaking about the girls who were harped. i wish he had gone further and really condemned josh duggar's actions here but i'm not at all surprised that the republican candidates are quiet because they're afraid of losing votes.

>> mike huckabee told "people" magazine back in january, i pointed out the duggars as something wholesome and wonderful. is that going to come back to haunt him in the presidential campaign, heidi? >> you can't hold anybody up as perfect. i don't care what family you're in. they've got 19 kids. that's a troublesome ratio. most, a lot lower than that. >> there are fewer sexual assaulters in most families is that what you're saying? >> that's not what i'm saying. my point is every family has stuff and for anybody to hold the duggars up is a mistake. this is a serial sex offender. >> i understand that. i'm saying they should have held the duggars up as a perfect family to begin with. every family has stuff. big shock. he's got problems. i wasn't defending it for one second. they were family because we're talking about a family problem. they're problematic. >> i understand that.

that's the question the gop has to answer. that's the question for the authorities where the duggars live. why are you blaming the gop for that? that's not their fault. >> the gop has used it as a prop in the past. >> they do not embrace it. that is a lie. >> i didn't say that. >> so -- [ talking over each other ] >> heidi you don't think they have some even after the father kicked it under the rug until the statute of limitations ran out and was out doing all the christian conservatives? he knew what was going on and now the republican candidates are silent on it. that's the amazing thing. you've got huckabee saying what he's saying. you've got santorum saying what he's saying. san tarm had to say it because he was in front of a national news man and george stephanopoulos and the rest of

them i think had an obligation to think what they did about the brand of family values. your tablg? >> >> you have linda dunham who admitted she molested her sister and others who have taken pictures with her and when they found out what they did, left on that. i'm not equating the two. i'm merely saying there are people you're going to come into contact with in your life who do bad things and you're not responsible for them. you step away if you decide what they're doing is not what you want but you can't go back and force everybody to apologize who knew you. how do you do that? >> they could say right now they're not going to have a picture with them anymore. that would probably be a good starter. great to have both of you with us tonight. caroline held man and heidi harris. video of community policing done right. it goes viral. we'll look at the challenges other cities face to bridge the gap between the community and law enforcement. the cops.

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welcome back to "the ed show." clashes between police officers and people in urban communities has really been dominating the news and the headlines as of late. and it's pretty rare to hear stories of police doing good

lately. one of those rare moments was caught on camera. the gentleman's name is bruce shields junior. he shared a video of the fargo, north dakota police joining a pickup basketball game while they were training on the bike patrol. so these officers assigned to the bike patrol were out doing some training and all of a sudden, this happened. the officers were driving down the hard court. and they said you know let's do some community policing. let's get into a basketball game with the felons. and the next thing you know a pickup game broke out. and the cops took on the local kids. bicycle cops. now, i don't know exactly what community policing is all about, but maybe there's some kind of message here. that if the cops stop and do what the kids are doing and show some interest in them who cares

who wins. there's a lot of folks winning under the bucket on that one. in cleveland, ohio issues caused by overpolicing have led the department of justice to mandate some changes. the dodge's 110-page settlement is one of the most extensive sets of restrictions ever placed on a law enforcement agency. the agreement requires cleveland's police to adopt hundreds of new policies to fix what the federal government called, quote, a pattern of systemic abuses and unconstitutional practices. leadership of the city's police union is not on board with all the changes. cleveland police patrolman's association, president steve lummis, told a reporter quote, it's going to get somebody killed. there is going to be a time when someone isn't going to want to do that paperwork, so he's going to keep that gun in its holster. i'm joined tonight by nina turner, former ohio state senator, who has been a stalwart

supporter of trying to get positive change taken place in communities when it comes to law enforcement interacting with communities. senator, good to have you with us tonight. what's your response to loomis saying that more paperwork is going to get somebody killed. what about that? >> well i'm shaking my head hard, ed. you know we need -- this is a time we need to be building relationships between police and the community. you cannot have the president of the police union in cleveland saying things like that. and that's one of the reasons why the citizens are so upset right now, because there seems to be a willingness among the police union that they don't want to admit when police officers are wrong. and we have to begin to be able to admit that so that the healing can begin. so i'm very -- i know mr. loomis and i'm very disappointed that he would say something like that. >> what's the best part of these new measures, as you can see it moving forward? >> i think the building of the community review board that's going to be set up the mandate

that the community and police have to come together, bring an accounting to the community, the building of mutual trust. and ed i think the strongest words in that report happened in the introduction when they said, this is about mutual trust, and that mutual trust has to be enduring. and that really is what this situation is about. this is bigger than the 137 shots, ed. this goes into the dna of not only the city of cleveland and the state of ohio but in this nation. and america's chocolate citizens are crying out for justice yet again. we can get there. this is a very real and wonderful start to what i believe is a healing journey and reconciliation. >> nina heal the black community for us tonight. what has to happen in these neighborhoods that have got economic issues, where there's a lot of unemployment there's a lot of frustration, schools are being shut budgets are being cut down and such stuff as that. it makes law enforcement's job

doubly tough. how do you reverse all this? >> it does ed. well, by public policy. so we need that to happen on the local, regional state, and federal levels of government. this didn't begin with the policing. you're absolutely right. we need to do something about poverty in communities of color and there are poor white communities as well in an appalachia appalachia. we feed to make sure we put people back to work. that means everything starts at the ballot box. and we've got to get that education is the pathway. making sure that we put folks in the prime time of their working years back to work. we cannot continue to sustain a society when the majority of folks, we are squeezing the middle class and the working poor, my god, there should not be such a thing in america. we do have lots of work to do beyond the police but we can get there, ed and we must get there together. lots of work is still needed to be done. >> well, reading from what mr. loomis has said with the policeman's association in

cleveland, it sounds like he believes that the department of justice is being pretty heavy-handed in not taking in all the facts about what they're dealing with. does he have any merit at all in that point? >> no not at all, ed. heavy-handed? they came in at the request of the mayor in 2013 and found that the cleveland police department uses excessive force. that is a fact. 137 shots against miss williams and mr. russell. no citizen in this country should have to endure something like that. they were unarmed. they evaded the police no doubt about that but evasion doesn't mean that they deserve to be dead. the shooting of young tamir rice on the playground. that young boy, little boy, did not deserve to be dead. tanisha anderson did not deserve to die. handcuffed victims being hit by police with their weapons. that cannot and should not happen. this is about the community and the police coming together. everybody understands how difficult it is to be a police officer. my son is a police officer, my husband was a police officer. we get it ed.

but we have to do this together. and mr. loomis' statements do not help this. and i'm hoping that the rank and file, that we will begin to turn this around and let the healing begin, in cleveland and all across this nation, ed. we have to do this. >> nina turner from ohio with us tonight, on "the ed show," i appreciate your activism and your interest. thanks so much. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead the immigration debate erupting as a defining issue in 2016. today, we're learning jeb bush is going on offense. "the washington post" reporting in a conference call yesterday, bush said he supports quote, a path to earned legal status. and quote, i find it interesting that people who share that view rather stick with the view and try to