we begin this friday morning with -- >> it's a major story. >> no it's a huge story. this is a big one. you don't lead with something like this in a moment -- >> former speaker is indicted?

>> like mandela being released from prison. i put this up with mandela being released from prison. >> okay. >> perhaps we go back to an iconic moment willie geist, in "morning joe" history -- >> no, we don't. >> ensnarled in america's unjust legal system. paris hilton. who doesn't remember that hospital in 2007. this was the top story then and here we are just to prove how much we've grown in eight years, the top story this morning, willie geist -- and i can't really go any further. i'll have to let you -- >> okay. >> lindsay lohan off probation. >> i've just been handed a bulletin.

lindsay lohan-hold on. lindsay lohan has been released from probation after eight years. she's free. >> five times a political prisoner. >> for eight years. >> i think there is a reason why the koch brothers and many on the left supported criminal justice reform and it begins right here and ends right here. >> great. >> this itt ends today. >> have to see what rand paul says about this. >> speaking of presidential elections really quickly, we're all very excited about bernie sanders. i do have to ask, though i don't know what you were doing in 1972 but mother jones has dug up something. bernie sanders wrote an article in 1972 saying men fantasize about abusing women and women fantasize about being raped. 1972. i was playing tee ball at the time. so i don't remember 1972 that

way. but this is -- >> sick? >> this is kind of sick yeah. don't get mad at me. i didn't write it. it's long time ago by the way. >> yesterday his on office came out and said it was a poor attempt at satire. if you read it hard to see where the satire is. >> doesn't really look like satire, but maybe bernie is a little more subtle now. >> can we play a quick game? i hate do it. what if a republican -- >> that's the only reason. this is irrelevant to today, but what if a republican -- we have rick santorum coming in. what if rick santorum in his 20s had written that women fantasized about being raped. would he be on this show today? >> oh, come on. >> would he still be in the race. >> it's the story of where mitt romney maybe gave a haircut to a guy at prep school. it's like that. >> can we get to the real political story making

headlines? >> the sad political news. >> it is. >> i don't -- i got a flood of phone calls yesterday because denny was a guy beloved by everybody. he would be the last guy in the world he would ever expect to see this headline from. >> longest serving republican speaker in the history of the house is now facing years behind bars after being indicted. he's accused of violating banking laws by trying to hide more than $900,000 in withdrawals allegedly made to cover up a, quote, past misconduct against somebody. fbi says hastert then lied when questioned. here's what we know so far about the case and the unnamed individual. the indictment says individual a confronted hastert in 2010 and hastert agreed to pay $3.5 million to compensate and conceal the alleged misconduct.

the person grew up in yorkville, illinois the city next to hat hastert's hometown where hastert taught high school and coached wrestling. why do we say that? prosecutors say the alleged misconduct occurred years earlier than 2010 and the person has known hastert more than his or her life. hastert's past career in education, he was a teacher and wrestling coach, also mentioned in the first few sentences of the indictment which many legal experts say and reporters say is a clear sign that it is relevant to the case. as for how the case developed, prosecutors say hastert now 12r50e78 extremely wealthy, made $50,000 withdrawals at various banks between 2010 and 2012. when the bank questioned those equals, hastert started to take out less than $10,000 so the transactions would not have to be reported. but the fbi began investigating the withdrawals and interviewed hastert. prosecutors say he denied trying

to security banking rules or that the cash was being used as hush money or to commit a crime. the fbi says hastert claimed he was keeping the money because he did not trust the banking system. >> yeah. willie, the indictment obviously because it mentions his years as a wrestling coach and a teacher, certainly suggests in a the high school conduct that he considered worth paying somebody $3.5 million to keep quiet obviously goes back to that time in his life. >> and you look how long these payments go. over years and years. two questions i have, what good he do obviously. if there is something criminal we ought to know that. and the second side of it is there extortion on the other side. did the person say i want $3.5 million or else. or did denny hastert volunteer this payment. but as you said a lot of people

including those who worked with him like yourself, very surprised to see this. >> jeremy peters shocked on capitol hill yesterday from a lot of not the only my former republican colleagues but also democratic colleagues. >> and i think take that's because we have to remember the context in which hastert was elevated to the speaker itship. he was brought about into calm a traumatic period. gingrich had just resigned under pressure. living stone couldn't assume it because of an affair. and here was the guy who everybody called the coach. people said at the time back in 1999, he was the, quote, kind of overarching figure our party needs at this moment is what one of his colleagues said. and nobody expected something like this to thanhappen to this guy.

he was chosen because he was exactly the opposite kind of person you would expect this to happen to. >> so the man just two steps away from the presidency was actually nicknamed the accidental speaker, but again miss dennis hastert went on to become the longest serving republican speaker of the house ever. here is how nbc expected hiscovered his unexpected rise to the top. >> newt gingrich was the powerful speaker of the house and then he was gone re34r5ised by bob livingston. now he's gone the results of extramarital affairs. and he will likely be replaced by who? >> reporter: dennis hastert's profile is so low that even after six terms in congress most americans even many in washington have no idea who he is. but republicans say that former wrestling coach is just who they need to rally their team. >> i didn't really seek this at

all. it just kind of happened. we need to heal the wounds and reach out across the aisle. >> reporter: allies say he's a fixer who can talk to democrats and heal house republicans now rocked with internal strive. >> the members wanted someone that they know was solid, a man with integrity, no personal problems, but also could lead this team with a very narrow majority. >> gosh. okay. >> that's something. >> we'll see what happens. i think the next step will be the revelation of who this individual is if we ever find out, probably will. >> and what happened. let's move on now to the ever growing republican field for 2016. sitting at the bottom of the polls, former new york governor george pataki. somebody said this morning it's a great irony that people aren't taking george pataki seriously right now but there is no doubt you look at his qualifications on paper easily the most qualified republican. i think three temp governor of a massively large state, a blue

state, shocked a liberal and he announced yesterday in new hampshire that he was running for president. >> we're here in new hampshire, birth place of the republican party, abraham lincoln's party, who saved the union and who brought the promise of freedom to all americans. it is to preserve and protect that freedom that this morning i announce i am a candidate for the republican nomination for president of the united states. >> pataki who spent 12 years as governor of new york, america's third largest state, left office in december of 2006. he brings the total number of announced candidates to eight with senator lindsayey graham and rick perry both set to jump this next week. meanwhile the national security organization is brewing. wisconsin governor scott walker said he respectfully disagrees with rand paul that republican hawks are to blame for the rise

of isis but peter king had a little tougher things to say. >> i would guess. >> i think rapped paul should be a leading contender for the democratic nochlmination for president. this is the classic liberal left wing anti-bush, anti-republican type of propaganda. that's been spewed over the years. rand paul does not belong to the republican party when he carries that message. >> and he's not alone. you also have peter king of sports illustrated, a picture we showed in that clip obviously pretty busted up. >> sure. okay. moving on, in his interview with andrea mitchell, peter king our peter king said -- >> well, not our peter king their peter king. well, he's on our show too. >> so he's not closing the door on running for president. >> or he's not talking about the nfl anytime soon. >> how seriously are you consider aring getting into it?

>> i've been up in new hampshire about nine times. yeah i'll make a decision in the next month. i'm still looking at it. but in any event, we can't allow the republican party to fall into the hands of those who are anti-defense and who would weaken on national security. >> so during our show yesterday more than morning, george pataki released an announcement video. >> we're founded on a miracle, a heroic past built on courage on visionaries and heros, a god given belief that the nobility of the human spirit. >> and mark halperin his analysis, because that's what he does, he analyzes stuff. here is his announcement. >> so political videos are all about imagery, right? george pataki is kind of delivering here. he got the old american flag, there is abraham lincoln man on the moon 9/11, also the 9/11 memorial the new world trade center reminder that pataki was governor of new york

during 9/11. okay. then we have these standard shots, candidate talking to people. you have to look presidential indoors and outdoors sure while a dog licks your face. but hold on a second. you watch this long enough and you start to feel like this guy is selling you both a vision for america and something else like an elegant fragrance, curtains blowing in the wind silhouette gazing out of the window, a guy lacing up his shoes and showing that he's still got it. all you need is a name. >> we the people. >> perfect. >> very good mark. >> i like that. >> funny. >> so pataki, this will be an interesting race because nobody's busting out of the gates. you got pataki, who we'll see what happens. he could surprise some people because he's run a massive state and some of these pretenders they will be shown who they are.

donald trump is serious. i mean it looks like he -- >> he'll make a big announcement and then head to new hampshire. i don't know the exact date but soon. >> and donald trump keeps being called the clown and being called this and that. but if he actually jumps into the race you don't -- here's the thing about trump as opposed to say, quote, clowns from previous contests. clowns there previousfrom previous contests don't have their names all over buildings in new york and across the world. quoting mark halperin and bill clinton, if a turtle is up on a fence post it didn't get thereby accident. my only point is if he's serious, donald trump is in on the joke a lot of the times.accident. my only point is if he's serious, donald trump is in on the joke a lot of the times. but if he jumps in here i think he'll shake some things up in the primary. >> well, he's definitely annage agell, he's definitely annage age at a time ergs but the kept civil

skepticism is that he's strung us along so many times before. >> he says he'll make a major announcement on june 16 and then head to new hampshire the next day. >> and i will say the guy always draws a crowd. i'm not saying he's going to win. i'm not saying that he'll deliver the next gettys ssburg address. but if he jumps into this race he will have the money and he will have the name i.d. and he'll have the press to maybe shake things up a little bit. >> and he's going to have an even bigger platform to promote his hotels, his books, his ties his bottled water. and that's the the sin simplecynicism around donald trump. why not get in. look at all the other people in this race. you would expect with all of the entries that would discourage people from getting in but it's

had the opposite effect. these people who say well, yeah, if all these guys are doing it why conditions i. you look at pataki former three term governor of new york. behind lindsey graham, very serious candidate who aren't really breaking through at all because the field is so vast and very well qualified. >> and sometimes the most qualified people with the most experience and knowledge don't break through. i remember one of our frustrations in 2008 was that time and time again, chris dodd and joe biden worp then the democratic debate and all the headlines were reserved for barack obama and hillary clinton. sometimes you just don't break through. trump bottled water though if you've ever had it -- >> have you had the vodka? >> it is the best water in the world. it has him on the cover with the fire coming up. >> i digress for a moment.

but if you have a child's birthday part i at the ice ring here in this morning city in they have a party area and they put out the cake and everything. and each 5-year-old station where they're having their cake, there is a bottle of trump water. >> that's right. try the vodka. >> good vodka, too. we'll see what happens. i will say donald trump will tell you that if he runs he's not going to be able do apprentice this year. and they're throwing money at him. so whatever money he may make in the future he will lose in the short run. but i think he's got to run this time or just stop talking about it. still ahead on "morning joe," rick santorum joins us on his second full day as presidential candidate. how he plans to go from republican runner up to last man standing. also ahead his conversation with the president sparked quite a debate about the war on isis. jeffrey goldberg ways this. the administration's approach to foreign policy. and later from big bang to

broadway, love him willie sits down with actor jim parsons. >> great guy.

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take a look at the morning papers. "l.a. times," infamous former home of the late pop star michael jackson going on the market and willie and i are thinking about taking some of our -- >> dog track winnings? >> only costs $100 million. i don't think so. though the amusement park, he will faptdnts orangutans are gone now called sycamore valley ranch, still retains the railroad tracks. other things gone, too. train stations and iconic floral clock. jackson bought the property in late 80s but lived elsewhere after his acquittal on charges of child molestation. yeah, i wonder why he built all

these rides. super fans hoping to get a peek of the property is out of lug. any prospective buyers have to go through extensive pre-qualification. >> what happened to bubbles? brought the chimp to the grammys. >> not a jackson fan here at the table? >> i am. >> love the music. >> a little messy quirks. >> it got a little messy at the end. i will tell you still go back -- well bernie sanders writing these articles with b. women he fantasized about? jack son five, you go back and listen to what they did for two or three years, the jackson five put out some of the most incredible music. >> i've got my own kids listening to it now. it holds up.

let's go to variety. trevor noah will make his debut as host of "the daily show" on september 28. noah is already testing out the set taking the anchor chair for a spin. >> welcome to the daily show. aah. with me, trevor noah. i am "the daily show"! sexy. oh, wow. that's a nice chair. oh [ bleep ]. >> have you ever seen this guy is this. >> no, i haven't. >> i watched a stand up of his on netflix the other day. he's hilarious. i was not familiar with him before. he has some great rips. he's from a mixed family. mom south african, his dad is swiss. and he's hilarious. i had never heard of him before. >> i was a little worried early

on. so netflix? >> netflix. it's trevor noah standup. >> so we're counting down to stewart's final episode. >> final episode august 6. so just about two months of jon stewart left. senate coming to dawn late this week to stop what officials are calling a national security nightmare. >> sections of the patriot act offering the nbc bulk data collection expires on sunday night, so do two other survey listen provisions. with the house on n.in recess until monday aides all but admit nothing will be done. all eyes on mitch hk conmcconnell and rapped paul preventing mcconnell for reaching the 60 vote threshold for even temporary extensions. paul's likely competition in next year's republican primary scott walker and jeb bush feel a bit differently about the program. >> anyone who has seen the

videotape of the egyptian christians beheaded or shot anyone who has seen what has happened in france and belgium and -- >> what does that have to do with the nsa? >> it all ties together. now more than ever americans realize this isn't something that just is happening over there. france is a good example. many people look at what happened in france and say that was because the french government for a while was tracking this for a variety of reasons, financial and others they set it aside. >> islamic terrorism wants to destroy western civilization. and so we need to protect the homeland which means we need to reauthorization the patriot act for sure. >> boy, harold this sure seems like a strange time to actually pull back on some of these security americas. >> yeah, i listened to rand paul and some of the -- even the democratic party expressed concerns about this. i don't know what the alternative that they're proposing that we do in order to ensure -- are we overreaching a

little bit? we probably are. but if you were to poll most americans, i think they would rather overreach just a little bit here to ensure we don't see the coordinated attacks we've seen in some of the places governor walker mentioned. >> no doubt about it, jeremy peters a new poll out talking about americans by a wide margin supporting drone warfare. americans want to be kept safe even if they sense there is a bit of an overreach. rand paul will have an interesting fight in his own party. >> he is. he's pretty much an island on this one. and he will not be letting up. we saw him of course last week mount that filibuster style 11 hour speech. don't expect to see anything like that from him this time. i'm told it's hard procedurally to grab the senate floor on a sunday special session like this when every senator is around and can block from you doing that. but he's demanding a vote on some nsa reform amendments ones that would he said all bulk data

collection. and mitch mcconnell has not agreed do that yet. and there are really no signs that he will. so i think you'll have rand objecting and that will trigger the expiration of this act and this will be drawn out for a few more days. >> and by the way a lot of people obviously listen on the radio. we put up while jeremy was talking the results of that. why do people listen on the radio? >> armed forces. 74 million at last count. but anyway, u.s. drone strikes, pew research center 58% approve, only 35% disapprove. mika, that is -- >> is that part of the debate, too? >> no but -- >> because i'm in agreement with that, but i didn't know if that was part of what he's objecting to. >> it's not, but it goes into what measures americans will

undertake when they know there are excesses in the drone program, excesses at nsa wiretapping and data collection. but post-9/11, post-isis, they're willing to take that chance. and high son askmy son asked me what i thought withabout it, and i said of isis that is not a rag tag terror outfit. they are a nation. they have more property than jordan. and if they can get a nuke put it in washington or charlotte or atlanta or l.a. or new york city sometimetimes square, they will do it. and you have a terror sanctuary again the size of jordan. oil revenue. now is not the time to -- >> and with them recruiting here in the u.s. we want every tool we can have. >> it just keeps getting more chaotic in the middle east.

areas that people want to kill as many americans as they can kill. now is not the time to retreat. >> still ahead must read opinion pages. and we'll talk politics with chuck todd and david axelrod. and just a reminder -- >> mika will be at the barnes & noble at palm beach gardens tomorrow. that's a great place. it's an 11:00 a.m. for her new book grow your value, a great read. stop by. >> should be some nice sunny weather, right? we'll be right back. it's the final days of the ford ecoboost challenge. here we go! last chance to save big on ford, and get our best deals of the season. fusion is rockin' it man. i prefer without a doubt the escape over the cr-v. what doesn't this truck do? but these great deals end soon so act fast and don't miss out. do you want to take my trade-in right now?

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do you want me to read that one? >> how are you feeling? can we have -- let's i think now is a really good time alex i think we need and online poll. okay? and because this show is always open. if mika takes am bee an -- >> i don't anymore. >> she will tell you she's took ambien ambien. if willie and i go out the night before and we shoot heroin we tell you. like we put it out there. and so we want to do that -- >> sorry. >> took to another level. >> i did. we ride the horse, baby. but anyway so we are open -- >> i don't take ambien anymore. >> i think we need to have and online poll. people need to vote on whether mika should take out her adult braces and try i this.

visaline. >> we have a call into the folks at pew and working on that. >> i think i'm doing a lot better. >> i was going to say, i didn't notice it until like 30 minutes in to the show. i totally forgot. >> and i have to have the top put on still. >> no no no. all right. so would you let me read it or do you want do it? >> i think i should put myself on the line and read it. >> that was a good sentence. you enuns yatesciated very well. >> here we go. the hillary clinton paradox. the polls show that even at this low point in her campaign with the daily scandal cascade, clinton continues to beat all gop comers. mostwhat political scientists call the part that makes you want to shoot yourself quinnipiac reports a majority of voters do not feel mrs. clinton a good portion

of those who support mrs. clinton do not believe she can be trusted to tell them the truth. the nice way to think of that is americans sure are over the heroic conception of the presidency. another nice way? americans shrewdly pick presidents based not on personal virtues, but on other qualities. well. secondly, willie that is a frustration for a lot of people but there is all this talk hillary. and scandal here scandal there. >> people don't care. >> i don't think -- >> they don't care. i haven't found one person who cares. >> they never care with the clintons. and she's still beating the tar out of most republicans. >> in fact among her supporters maybe even for some moderates, it strengthens her. they say the other side is coming after her, we have to stand up stronger for her. and they don't love her just because she's hillary clinton or a woman, they think it's because of her equalqualifications.

secretary of state, first lady they think she has good qualifications and they believe in her. >> but there is a difference between an attack and i've seen that and questions. and yesterday i was signing books and a woman came up to me and she said please please lay of off hillary clinton. please, she's good for america. and i said i really have never said that she's not good for america. she may be the greatest thing we have for america. but i have questions. and i would love to hear how she answers them. which is very different than attacking her. >> this is what the clintons are so masterful at is taking any legitimate questions and reducing them down to political attacks. and let's talk about the biggest one. the whole monica thing. which, again, i was uncomfortable during the whole

process. there are no clips of me going on the air -- i was a lot more outraged at shipping missile technology to china because it helped one of his business associates. and a lot more disturbed by a lot of things going on now. but, you know even with that they would come on and say, you know it's just about sex. well it was just about sex in a sexual harassment suit. or allegations there. >> she went on tv to defend the right wing conspiracy. >> but at the end of the day people didn't care. his approval ratings went up. they didn't care about all the things that he did, his approval ratings went up. and harold, i think peggy the takeaway from all of that is peggy saying another american shrewdly pick presidents based not on personal virtues, but on other qualities. americans don't pick popes for president. >> we're not electing priests.

>> especially at this point, they pick people they think will keep them safe and help them get back to work. >> look whatever you want to say about the clintons there is a body of work that i think people look to and people have expectations for the kind of leadership that they would offer. they base the kind of leadership which is similar to what they'ring building her leadership qualities is based on the president's. he was moderate, he governed from the middle, he remains immensely popular even today things that he did eight years in office. >> what was bill clinton's landmark achievement would you say? >> i think he for the democratic party, i think he restored a sense of we can manage, we can govern and we can do it in a fiscally responsible way. and he balanced the budget, first time in my lifetime. you and i twhrwere in congress at the same time. i'm 45 years old. he ushered in an era for democrats to be pro democratic pro market and can even look at ways to cut taxes to grow things. kennedy had done that for a

generation before and clinton did that for this generation. and he won two races. >> and at the end of the day, i think that's what democrats like the most they win. what is hillary's landmark achievement as far as policy goes over all of her years? what is the most important policy that she's implemented? >> in fairness to her she's never been in executive position. >> but she was in the senate secretary of state, she was first lady. what -- you've named great landmark achievements for bill clinton. what is hillary's single landmark achievement either legislatively or policy-wise? >> i think i would point to her support for women's initiatives women's empowerment across the globe and even here at home. if you ask for a single achievement in the is that the, i think it would be hard to point to one which she led herself. it's hard to be that single leader on any given issue.

>> what about as secretary of state, what was her biggest accomplishment? >> women. >> emphasis on women? >> this has followed her in a positive way throughout her career. i do think her influence in this administration was it she was one who was not willing to back down and certainly pushed at the least the public persona and privately confirmed she was not afraid to suggest to those men in the room at times america's perceived a certain way, historically and currently, and if we really believe in advancing our values then we have to be willing at times to be a little more assertive, to have more forceful posture to try do these things. >> up next what dennis hastert said just days ago while roum ors were swirling about a possible indictment. "chicago sun-times" lynn sweet joins us with her reporting on the shocking indictment. plus the problem that has rand paul's campaign already wondering if it will struggle to compete for 2016. keep it right here. as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support

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joining us now mike allen and from washington -- >> would you like me to give the into guksroduction for the super silliest lynn sweet? >> no. the "chicago sun-times," lynn sweet. >> you said that with no lisp. >> lynn how are you. >> lynn we are all shocked about denny hastert. my god, straight shooter. what everybody described him as. just right down the middle. >> what happened? >> as much as i cover preliminary figures from illinois, this one even had me surprised. usually there is some warning sign that something is amiss. most recently with aaron schock. there was a run up of stories that there was problem. jesse jackson jr., we knew there was a problem.

rob rod blagojevich, we knew there was a problem. >> he's still a man of our time. no, but, yeah, you're used to covering this, but again, this this even blindsided you. >> yes, and we start this morning with two big mysteries. what is this alleged past misconduct and who is individual a. that's the person we don't know yet and we're good reporters in chicago. we will figure this out or the greater reporting community i know of all the reporters on the show and who of this will be figured out. we don't know if it's a man or him would, but it does look like denny hastert the coach was part of a blackmail plot and one of the things that is mysteries of the mysteries here is that when he talked to federal agents and he gave a flip answer about why

he was withdrawing all these large sums from banks, what was he thinking. another mystery. >> so lynn raises both questions. first of all, what did he do and second, you referenced it there, perhaps part of the blackmail plot which would imply charges coming from the other side of extortion, as well. >> one reason everybody is so stunned, one of the reasons denny hastert was picked was he was squeaky clean. it was why he was the accidental speaker after the delay years. last week politico's hillary flynn got a tip about this and their capitol hill bureau chief tracked down denny hastert who makes these millions now as a lobbyist in d.c. and said to him you're about to be indicted. and hastert said it's not true. and when john brez in a than

says you're about to be indicted, now people will know that he's right. >> they will take it seriously. >> you tell him to stay away from me. >> terrible. what happens? >> it is a shock. and we just don't know what happened. so lynn was there ever any talk, any whispers any mumbling. because you get such reckless talk in washington. rumors about everybody on the hill. was there ever any talk about his past, his days as a coach, anything at all? >> well, no. which is why this is so potentially also, you know, at the least embarrassing. there usually is nothing in an indictment that isn't there for a reason. and in the very first paragraph of this pretty short indictment, it starts like out of the blue oh by the way, denny was a high school teacher and coach from

1981 to 2007. usually a material fact like that if it's put in the indictment it's put there for a reason. a reading of this would lead someone to believe therefore that this is an incident that happened even before he started his political career. >> and that certainly is the suggestion and it seems to me that the justice department wanted that out there. >> right. and the indictment -- one other quick point. this person, individual a didn't go to denny and complain about it until 2010 and by then he was well out of congress. >> when he finally had money. >> and i agree with her reading. it also makes it clear that this person has known denyny hastert all their life, from their youth. and there are reports out there this morning that as part of the conversations with hastert's lawyers, another reason that he

knew when politico called him that there was nothing to it he knew that this was coming arrests part of those conversations with his lawyers, some of the gory details were kept out of the indictment. it seems strongly that the person involved in this is helping the prosecutors, giving them information. there is a lot of details about his meeting with individual a. >> yes, and what is telling right now is that there is an ex-torah tore and ex-torah tee. and so the fact that for the moment individual a isn't figuring in to any wrongdoing either might be telling. >> yeah. >> but also, what is interesting here, is that it seems that part of this scheme unraveled because the banks got suspicious of a series of big withdrawals. >> the bank has an obligation to report. >> they do have an obligation.

>> to our friends watching at home, if you're going to take cash out, get 9, $999.99. >> and part of the law is you have to know that it's illegal and after these conversations with the bank then that's when the speaker according to this started taking them out in smaller amounts. >> all i use is my debit card. but, yeah you do want to take out $9999.99. >> thanks, guy. >> harold you carry around cash. no, i'm just talking, i think it's very interesting -- >> i carry around cash to and i my caddie 100 bucks. >> it's always interesting -- look at this! i always say it because it's an interesting study. i love being around harold because i never carry around cash and i always heard, you know, there are certain people that always carry around, cash. and -- are you a cash person?

>> she is thousand. >> i have mike's. >> i only have a debit card. and if this doesn't work ---do you carry around cash? >> very little. >> when we play golf let's put this in context, i put the caddie. i'm not walking around with 50,000 bucks. >> no, no, no. i think it's a really interesting study of people and i always respect people that -- oh here here's five ten. and i always pay them back. so you don't carry much i don't carry much. you carry some. mike, you are -- >> he has 20, 40 60 73 dollars. >> willie needs it. >> all right. with that we'll be right back. i'm glad we cleared that up.

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there is so much to talk about this morning. of course willie right now as we speak, the election for this criminal mastermind sepp blatter. >> i wish i had his confidence. >> somebody called him the most

successful nonhomicidal dictator of the past century. i mean he has made so much money. and it's a multibillion-dollar operation. and he has all the transparency of putin's russia. >> if you're talking about the guys on the board who were getting millions of dollars for their vote, can you imagine what perhaps sepp blatter would have gotten to make these big divisions. and for him to come out in the last couple days and say we're shocked, stunned and deeply saddened, i can't believe this because happening? come on. >> and he said he had absolutely no control over what was going on. >> he has no control. he's a puppet. the sad part about this all is that americans are just starting to grasp and love this game. and for so many this is headline they're reading? it's it's just sad. >> soccer has really been hurt. >> "wall street journal" lead story is that the soccer -- the

scandal is pressuring all the big money sponsors. the reason they have money is because of coca-cola, because of budweiser, because of nike because of adidas because of all of these agencies that are telling all of these corporations spend your money on soccer. you have to question through fifa togo through fifa to do it. >> i think a lot of americans don't understand including me what fifa really is. >> it's like the nfl, the governing body. and they have a honest on thatmonopoly on soccer. >> but commissioner goodell commissioner silver they don't have that kind of power. >> most americans that follow the sport will remember the bite. they banned him from playing i

don't know, five six games when he went back to liverpool. which is -- >> but that was fifa. >> what i'm telling you is they can tell the football association in england what they're going to do. they have complete control over everything. it is a total monopoly. no trancesparencytransparency. willie, how do you fedex anthrax? >> an incredible story. >> 18 labs got live anthrax. >> four lab workers in the u.s. up to 22 overseas put in post-exposure treatment after the u.s. military inadvertently shipped some of it via fedex live anthrax. >> and tonight in new york if you're a sports fan, speaking of sports, why can't the rangers -- i'm a southern guy so hockey i'm starting to realize now in

connecticut just how massive this sport is. >> this is a hockey town. >> kids are four years old, five years old, david axelrod in chicago, he understands this but man, willie the ranger. they can't ever do anything easy. >> this is about as fun as it gets. game seven madison square garden on a friday night. and then tomorrow night another game seven where axelrod's blackhawks will lay an ss ss will play anaheim. >> david axelrod, it doesn't get any bigger. this is like one of the black and white photos of fights from 1969 where you see norman mailer sitting there. like this will be a big moment at the garden. >> i did grow up in new york and i know how big the rangers were then. but i got to tell you, it's all hawks out here. everybody talking blackhawks out here. we heard there might be another the game going on.

>> whatever. and headline on ice, i don't understand one thing. we get the news that isis has been beaten back they have lost how many towns, alex over the past couple months? >> kurds took back 200 towns. >> the kurds. it's always the kurds. iraqis cut and run. kurds have taken by 200 towns. a lot of them in syria. at what point are we going to say to everybody including turkey we're going to give the kurds a state and it will stretch from iraq into syria, we in the international community, because they're the ones that are actually fighting for their territory and doing a damn good job at it? will. >> the conversation should take place seriously, but at a minimum, they should be provided whatever military products they may need in order to continue this fight. they're really our best fighters on the ground and they have not only proven to be relatable ande

only proven to be relatable ande reliable and trustworthy, they're great fighters. they're not cutting and running. >> it seems like an obvious answer to a lot of people why isn't it happening. that's the question. >> and as long as ash carter is calling a spade and spade and having to walk it back, i don't think you'll see any changes. >> ash carter is calling a spade a spade talking about how bad iraqis are. >> and joe biden had to call and basically apologize to the iraqi leadership after that. >> so sorry we told the truth. >> if ash carter is to be believed, we provided them the weapons. >> the only way if we want to beat would back isis and we don't want do it by sacrificing more american lives, we have to let the people as richard haass said yesterday, the locals actually fight for their own future. and obviously the kurds are willing to do that and a lot of others aren't. david, you've got chicago behind you there 37 s.

you're in the bureau. we're stunned here -- we're never stunned, but denny hastert seemed to be cut from a different cloth than most of the 17 ex-governors now sitting in federal penitentiary somewhere. has to be a shock to you and the entire chicago political class. >> it's a shock for two reasons. first of all, we're not accustomed to where politicians are paying cash out, we are used to them taking cash. so this is completely foreign to us. obviously denny hastert had a great reputation. one of my first campaigns when i started as a consultant was the race when denny hastert was a state senator running for congress and i had the dwm democratic candidate. it was a hard-fought race. but there was never intimation of anything that would rise to the level of scandal. so this was a shock thing. i was on the phone with some folks from illinois when this came across yesterday and everybody was like you could

hear the collective gasp when this came across because nobody would have suspected this. but there is something very sad behind this story. i don't know what it is. everybody has their own thoughts. we'll find out soon enough. but this isn't your ordinary scandal. >> no, and it really seems like no one saw it coming. just some tidbits here on the headlines. he's accused of violating banking laws by trying to hide more than $900,000 in withdrawals allegedly that to cover up quote, a past misconduct against someone. and the fbi says hastert then lied about the cash transactions when he was questioned about it. apparently he was trying to withdraw large sums of money. there is an unnamed individual in the indictment, individual "a," who confronted hastert in 2010 and hastert agreed to pay $3.5 million to compensate and conceal the alleged misconduct. it also mentions the indictment his years working in a high

school. you get the feeling something happened a long time ago question and hastert came into money and he was blackmailed. that's what you glean from this. >> starting in 2010 and of course the fact that they put in his past as a wrestling coach and high school teacher certainly makes it ominous. hey, so david, let's move on to politics. and this republican field the ever growing republican field. want to talk to you about a country people. first of all, george pataki. pataki was in new hampshire yesterday and take a listen to what he said. >> we're here in the birthplace of the republican party, abraham lincoln's party, who saved the union and who brought the promise of freedom to all americans. it is to preserve and protect that freedom that this morning i announce i'm a candidate for the republican nomination for president of the united states. >> so david, as you though pataki spent 12 years as

governor of new york and that's america's third largest state. and he beat mario cuomo in a race at the beginning not a single person in new york state who believed other than george pataki that george pataki would win. does he have a chance to have an impact in this field? >> you know it's so hard to say that because he's been out of the picture for so long. it's not really clear what his profile is going to be in this race. i think the hardest thing in a field of -- you've got like a football team full of candidates there. and it's hard to -- hardest thing is to distinguish yourself and develop a base within that large group. and how george pataki distinguishes himself isn't yet clear to me. but he's a serious guy. as you pointed out, he knocked off one of the giants of the democratic party and he did it in a very good republican year 1994, but nonetheless, he went on to win a couple of terms. so you have to take him

seriously. but it's hard for me to see the path for him here. >> so we heard rick santorum speak yesterday on the air. donny deutsch, myself mika. and heard his announcement where he held up coal, talked about his grandfather. and then sounded like a populist and talked about a lot of things that republicans and democrats can meet in the middle on. can a guy who was seen as divisive on social issues eight years ago when he was first introduced to america, can he come out and be seen as somebody who can pull independents and democrats over in iowa or new hampshire if he has this populist conservative message? >> well, you know he won ultimately the iowa caucuses the last time narrowly over mitt romney, and he did it by dominating the social con receiver differences. that was his base, that was his calling card.onreceiver differences. that was his base, that was his

calling card. it seems if he's going to win the iowa caucuses again, he will haveduplicate that and be much aggressive in his outreach to those social conservatives. if he gets buried in iowa, it's hard for see to see how he advance. and there is a lot of competition on that side of ledger. he won't be alone going after that social conservative vote. you have huckabee cruz and others. walker is making the play for that vote. so it's not an easy path for rick is an tore rulsantorum. 24 isthis is a more difficult field. >> have you ever seen a field like this?4 this is a more difficult field. >> have you ever seen a field like this? this is a more difficult field. >> have you ever seen a field like this?this is a more difficult field. >> have you ever seen a field like this? going back through your reading of history in american history, has there ever been a field this crowded in the history of american politics? if so what year. because i can't think of one. >> it's pretty extraordinary.

bret soon you'll have more candidates than voters. but, you know i think -- >> by the way, look at -- can we put that back up? willie, look at trump's hair. it's beautiful. >> okay, stop. >> no it is absolutely beautiful. >> nice head shot. >> this is one discussion in which i'm not going to enter. everyone has hair i admire however they got it. >> we understand donald trump will be announcing on the 16th fp. >> well, he has a major announcement. >> if you were advising hillary clinton, which one of those candidates or potential candidates scares you the most? >> i would say rubio and bush because of their ability to reach into the hispanic vote. one of the reasons why democrats have had an advantage in these

national elections is because of the advantage we've had with minority voters. mitt romney got just 27% of the hispanic vote in the last election. last republican to win was george w. bush he got 44% of the hispanic vote. if they nominate a candidates who can reach into that constituency, they have a chance in states like colorado florida, to turn things awayk sgs around. rand paul is a wild card in this race and i though you've been talking about this during this show because of his position on surveillance. but he is an interesting guy. he was here the other day in the innercity of chicago making an appeal to african-american voters. i don't know if you can get through the republican primaries doing what he's doing. but he's certainly trying to expand the reach from the traditional republican appeal. >> on the democratic side former maryland governor martin o'malley is expected to announce his candidacy for president tomorrow in baltimore.

he has positioned himself as a pragmatist. and the real progressive in the 2016 field. but a recent pew poll found 80% haven't heard enough about him to form an opinion. kasie hunt reports on his plans to take on hillary clinton. >> reporter: martin o'malley can bring the house down on the guitar. ♪ but does he have any hope of taking down hillary clinton? >> most years there is the inevitable front runner and that inevitable frontrunner is inevitable right up until he or she is no longer inevitable. >> reporter: o'malley was elected mayor of baltimore in 1999 inspiring a character on hbo's the wire. >> it would appear media attention is always focusing on the negatives. >> reporter: then in 2007 becoming governor of maryland with plenty of help from the clinton family along the way. the former president once wrote to him, quote, i won't be surprised if you go all the way. in turn, o'malley supported

hillary clinton over barack obama in 2008. >> we are going to need a strong leader of intelligence, and ladies and gentlemen standing with me today is that leader, hillary rodham clinton. >> reporter: now he's one of only a few democrats willing to try and take her on in 2016. planning an announcement saturday in baltimore's federal hill. polls show him way behind clinton. and trailing even senator bernie sanders who is already in the race. so far o'malley hasn't aggressively criticized clinton but he's taking veiled jabs like this one. >> history celebrates profile this is courage, not profiles in convenience. >> let's sign some bills. >> reporter: liberals praise him for expanding gun control and ending the state's death penalty. but as hair, he also implemented zero tolerance policing, a policy that came under scrutiny when riots erupted last month. after freddie gray died from injuries he sustained in police custody. o'malley cut short a trip

overseas saying he needed to be home. but the welcome he received could be a sign of more trouble to come. >> i'm more inclined and more deeply motivated now address what is wrong with our country and what needs to be healed. >> it's going to be a rough ride for martin owe'malleyo'malley. can he do it. >> the fact that he came home and went back to baltimore after the riots and that didn't give him the platform he was hoping for, i think that speaks volumes for the nation. >> he got heckled. david ags david, what does martin o'malley need to do? >> he has to be per tis sent and hope martin o'malley began his career driving a candidate who was widely challenged and hart ended up taking mondayle right to the

edge of defeat. and that was his formative experience o'malley's formative experience. he's hoping for that same kind of effect. one thing when i was listening to kasie's piece that struck me though, this courage and convenience thing. how do you explain having endorsed hillary clinton in 2008 and heralding her as a strong courageous leader and now turning the tables and saying somehow she's a politician of convenience. he's going to have some splaining do as ricky ricardo would say. >> thanks david. jeremy peters what are you working on? >> i want to go back to what david said about rubio. democrats are starting to fret about marco rubio. rubio can draw away from hispanics. and that's crucial in a state like florida which is key to winning the presidency. but there is himself the generational contrast that he can make. as you talk to democrats, there

is a lot of concern that if you have a rubio/clinton match-up it will be similar to the obama/clinton matchup in 2008 when you had a very stark generational contrast, an election about the past or the future. >> and jeremy i have a question. i don't think in a million years marco rubio would have thought that he'd be compared with the barack obama, but that's where we are today. do you think it's something that he should embrace and run with given their backgrounds or something he should still distance himself from? >> well, he's making the argument in a much different way because of course there are pluses and minuses to running as a first term senator which obama did and every republican i think would say that having a first term senator is not quite a great idea. so a little tricky for rubio there. but it's a very similar argument. if i can be president, so can anybody. >> the logic on the republican side at least for some candidates. coming up next, a guy who had an intriguing launch we talked about yesterday. we have him today. senator rick santorum next on

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23 past the hour. joining us now from omaha, republican presidential candidate rick santorum. good to have you back on the show. >> thank you, mika. great to be back with you and joe. appreciate it. >> senator, thank you so much. we've been talking about the last 24 hours at least about running as a populist. it's not something that you just dreamed up overnight. you were on the show last year, year before with a book that talked about some of the same things. but you do stand out in this crowd, you support a raise in the minimum wage, which a lot of people in washington say would be shocking. but i remember he seeing the majority tea party members supported a raise in the minimum wage a year or two ago. >> i supported minimum wage increases when i was in the house, when i was in the senate. i didn't support -- for example, i don't support president obama's minimum wage increase. i think that's transitioning from minimum wage to a living

wage proposal. i supported in fact proposed dollar and a half increase over three years. putting it back at the level where generally minimum wages have been, about 5% to p%7% of pay rom. roll. republicans in the past have supported that many don't right now, but that's where i've been. look at the record this is nothing new. i come from western pennsylvania, as i said in the speech i you a the devastation of the manufacturing collapse. and i've worked my entire political career to try to make surethe devastation of the manufacturing collapse. and i've worked my entire political career to try to make sure we can provide the jobs to compete internationally. >> so how do we build manufacturing back in the united states? and certainly coming back but how do we continue to bring it back and rebuild not only western pennsylvania but the entire rust belt and up and do you have town the down the coasts. >> importance of energy. one reason it's coming back a

little right now is because we have stable low energy prices. we have to continue the fracking revolution that we see so we is k. have stable low prices for the long term. and the great jobs that come from creating energy here in the united states. second, i'm going to be laying out in the next few weeks a very strong pro-growth plan, one of the real things we have to do to get manufacturing going is get our economy going. but lowering taxes. we have the highest corporate tax in the world. we have other high rates of taxation. makes it difficult to compete. we're talking about a flat tax that will be the same on corporations, individuals, dividends, every rate will be the same. that will create growth but also an opportunity for manufacturers to compete. even on top of that we'll have sort of a stimulus, short term on a tax code for manufacturers, to create even more of attraction to bring those jobs back here to the united states

so we can again create those real strong jobs. there is a lot of other things. vocational education, a lot of other things. >> i want to move to foreign policy and ask what would you do right now in the fight against isis that is not being done specifically what strategy do you think is key in winning the war against isis. >> number one, we have to better arm the kurds. that's a very important part of it. we have to help the jordanians. they're being swamped by refugee refugees refugees. egyptians want to help. we're holding back arms from the egyptians right now. we could be much more proactive with the egyptians. on the ground i'm hearing anywhere from 14 to 20 sor dwchlt is a day. this is a public relations war that the president is fighting. he's not fighting a real war. we're not to go any substantial damage on the air against isis. so we have to step up the campaign. you can't do that unless you

have more boots on the ground so you understand the targeting an coordination of troops. that's a whole combination of things. and i'm not talking about massive invasionary force but many generals have suggested we have to double or triple the 3,000 that we have there right now to provide effective support for those who are fighting. >> senator santorum, this is williegeist. if you look at the credentials, you are by far the senior statesman of this field so far in foreign policy. eight years on armed services. you mentioned boots on the ground maybe something like 10,000. do you think the american public has the stomach to see body bags coming back home from these far away places with american soldiers in them after 14 years of war? >> i would say two things. we already have 3,000 people on the ground right now. so we're talking about an increase, but again not anywhere near the troop levels that we had when we were fighting where there were lots of body bags coming back. this is a troop level that actually many suggested that we should have kept when we pulled out of iraq.

so i don't think this is -- and by the way i'm not talking about front line troops, i'm talking about folks who can be helpful doing more what have is be done right now and improving the efficacy of those on the ground. secondly i would say if we don't start winning the war against isis, my fear is that we'll see casualties here in the united states. isis is going to get stronger, they will have much more appeal to jihadists all oefrtdver the world including this country. and you see them, they're calling for -- talking about getting a nuclear weapon from pakistan bringing it in the united states. these are folks who if you look at the mass graves and crucifixions, i don't think they-of this is not hyperbole. these are folks serious about killing americans and killing anybody in their way. and we better start taking them seriously. >> rick, harold ford. good morning. >> good morning, harold. >> big fight amongst the house and senate around the reauthorization of the patriot act. i don't know if you've declared

where you stand on this. how would you vote and how would you urge republicans in the senate to vote on this package we expect to come up early next week? >> as you probably guessed rand paul and i are not on the same page. am i concerned about security personal security and invasion of privacy? absolutely. but i think the patriot act has shown it's actually had a pretty good balance. again, ten hours of debate by senator paul and not one instance in which there was any kind of real breach that someone's privacy was violated. but we do know that as i comments there are those who do want to hurt americans and having that information is really important. so striking a balance is where i would go. and hopefully they can do that and make sure we have some ability to detect those who are try doing us harm. >> senator, what would your foreign policy be vis-a-vis russia and putin specifically? shaky cease fire now with

ukraine, but if things started to escalate once again, would you arm the ukranians? >> i'd probably consult a little bit more on whether i would actually arm the ukranians. my general inclination is yes, i'd be more supportive. we have a pact signed under president clinton that we would support and defend ukraine. we have not lived up to that. we have sent all the wrong significant that wills in in s ins in eastern europe starting with withdrawing our support for the czechs and polls. so we've given all the green lights to russia and then we're surprised that they're going through the intersection. and we need to say that we will support eastern europe and the democracies there, we will stand by them and be more proactive. and i think once you start putting up those caution flags, putin will get the signal that it's not going to be an easy cross down the road. >> all right. thank you so much rick. greatly appreciate it.

we will see you out there sometime pretty soon. >> part of a big field. >> well, yeah, for someone who has a strong base of support here in iowa and across the country, we've continued to build our volunteer base. we feel very good in a big field that we have a different message as you mentioned and we can solidify that base and win some primaries particularly early ones. >> thank you so much rick. good luck. really appreciate if. coming up next, chuck todd will be with us. >> along with the atlantic's jeffrey goldberg. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too.

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comcast business. built for business. 35 past the hour. joining us now from washington chuck todd. also with us jeffrey goldberg. good to have you both on board. >> great to have you guys. chuck, i'll begin with you. peggy noonan had an interesting op-ed talking about all of hillary clinton's problems and said for the most part they amount to absolutely nothing. isn't that what we're seeing right now and if you measure her up against any of the republicans right now, hillary wins going away. >> she doesn't win going away. it is funny by the way on the match-ups, we always talk about

the frontrunners on the republican side if you sort of select them out always scott walker jeb bush, marco rubio. but there is always one guy that matches up better with hillary clinton than any other candidate and it's rand paul. and yet it sort of gets dismissed a little bit. part of it is because he does better with independents and younger voters. but, look i get peggy noonan's ultimate large argument and that goes in to the idea that all of the ways that republicans want to at stack thetack the clinton for many americans, that stuff is bimtuilt in. is there going to be new ideas or new information of a negative sort that will give folks pause if it doesn't given them pause before. and i think ultimately that's the potential rabbit hole republicans have to ask themselves about when it comes to attacking the clintons.

>> clintons truly ob 1st. you strike them down. darth only gets stronger. rand paul talked about isis this week and got in trouble with some of the republican base. but certainly sparked a much wide ranging debate on isis. do you think foreign policy will play a bigger role in 2016 than it has in the past? because of the spread of isis. >> i'm a foreign policy writer so i have a built-in bias in believing that this is important stuff and wanting people to talk about it. so i might not be the best judge of whether it will play. i do think we're moving into a period in which a diabolical terrorist group is controlling half of syria and iraq now. it seems to be on the march despite what people in the administration might have you

believe. >> were you shocked when the president told you that he didn't think we were losing against isis? >> you know, i wasn't shocked because what is he going to say. he's not -- first of all, he's not the sort of guy who is prone to public displays of panic. there was some spin in that. there was also some recognition of the truth of the matter that these are in fact tactical setbacks. the big question is are they becoming strategic setbacks. that was not something that surprised me. i wouldn't expect him to say, yeah, you know what, we've totally messed this up and we have to go back to the drawing board and devise an entirely new strategy. they probably do need to devise a new strategy, but i don't think they will announce that through an interview. >> i'm just wondering though i agree he's not prone to public displays of panic. at the same time, do you get a sense that there will be a shift in strategy perhaps a aggressive one? because i think as we look back

and you ignited the debate about the rise of isis in your interview with rand paul and that debate could questiongo on for hours. who really started it. and you could say it's george w. bush. you could say obama but everybody wanted to pull back. are people looking for a leader who will have a pragmatic clear thought out long term strategy in the war against terror. >> i don't know. chuck todd we just had rick santorum on who talked about the need for more boots on the ground against isis. military advisers whatever you want to call it. >> here rewe go again? >> maybe pbut i think more and more americans getting concerned. >> and my question is what do you -- the problem with president's policy the policy doesn't match the rhetoric. the rhetoric is destroy isis. the policy is containment, it's not a destruction policy.

>> isn't it interesting the president has always rhetorically overreached. >> always. absolutely. >> assad must go gadhafi must go, everybody must go -- >> also iran should not have any nuke program whatsoever. don't forget that one. >> and it's the rhetoric he gets caught up in -- it's funny, like on one hand he wants to criticize -- he's been critical of neoconservatives and their sort of rush to war type of rhetoric and things like that. his rhetoric sometimes sounds very similar. the policy is very different, but it's almost as if he's afraid to sell the idea of containment or stability. and you know what, there is a lot of americans that are pro containment by the way. which is sort of you know what keep that mess over there. >> jeffrey, you're a foreign policy guy. maybe you can help with the question of arming the kudrd.

why didn't the state accident and the obama administration do a stronger job of giving them what they need to help in this fight? >> i don't have huge insight into that particular question except this. there is a worry that if the kurds wind up being the only force capable of fighting isis the kurds might say to themselves why are we doing this, why are we doing something that we don't believe in. which is to try to keep iraq a single country. they all in their hearts want to break off and become independent. and they feel that they can have their own policy of containment in a kind way which is we'll go our own way, leave us alone, we'll keep isis out of our borders. and so there is a fear on the part of shall policymakers that if you empower the kurds too much they will simply go walk off the field and not fight isis anymore and go do their own thing. >> and quickly, jeffrey, you brought up iran. what if anything took place and came out of the arab summit that

the president had? we know that he was snubbed as people were suggesting by the king of saudi arabia not coming. what if anything came out of that summit? >> what came out of it is a little bit of acquiescence on the part of the gulf states that they're not going to publicly denounce the iran deal the coming iran deal. but i don't think the administration made them happier about the deal. i think there is a large to be crude about it, a large payoff coming which is you'll get the best weapons systems we can provide you and we'll take it from there. >> all right. jeffrey goldberg thank you very much. chuck, what is on "meet the press"? >> since there are 20 candidates running for president, i have at least is sixth of the field i think. kasich santorum, bernie sanders. >> i like it. >> so if you're into the 2016 campaign, we'll see you sunday. >> love it. "meet the press" sunday morning. thank you, chuck. still ahead, willie's

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>> jim parsons has won a record-tying four emmy awards for best lead actor in a comedy series. now he's taken on a new big role on broadway. he's playing god in the new play "an act of god" that opened last night. i got a chance to sit down with him on the set of the show which, incidentally, plays at studio 554. it was the world's most famous nightclub, a calderon of sex, drugs and disco. three days later, studio 54 has a different field. >> i'm the in order thy god king of the universe. >> reporter: it's home to the broadway hit "an act of god." the almighty takes over the body of one jim parsons and addresses life's great mysteries. >> lord why do bad things happen to good them? the answer, to even out the good things that happen to bad people. >> reporter: with the exception

of two angelic sidekicks, it's a one-man show. >> how do you describe this god? >> all powerful all correct. he picked me particularly for my personality that he had blessed me with winning, likable, i have an off beat sense of charm. >> reporter: this is parson's third role on broadway and by far his big zbles i'm not with you when your team wins. i'm not against you when your team loses. listen to this one. i am not a yankee okay? i not that we counted but he speaks for 82 of the show's 90 uninterrupted minutes. you basically don't leave this couch for almost 90 minutes and in between all my laughs as i sat out there somewhere i was thinking to myself my god that's a lot for him to remember. >> it is a lot to remember. i have the majority of it at a pretty cellular level which is what i would want. that's what you want. you want to come out here and not think about the lines because then you're kind of just a human typewriter.

that's not my job. >> reporter: and with the help of self-imposed note card drilling, parsons came to the first rehearsal with every line memorized? >> god's comfortable. he owns this. >> reporter: comfortable for good reason. this god is wearing sneakers and jeans under his white cloak. he prepared while shooting his monster hit show "the big bang theory" for which he has won the best actor emmy four times. can you believe what happened to your life since the show started since september, 2007? >> not even. tv is the most fickle of mediums and there's no predicting what's going to catch on or why but i knew we were doing something good. we were doing something well made. and i still very much feel that way. it has led directly to some so many strange things this being one of them. i would not be doing this without that. the rewards i've reaped from getting to do, oddly enough, a

job that i love i don't have words for it. >> reporter: after a hard day's work at a place once known for late-night parties, heaven for parsons is an early bedtime. for god, it's eight shows a week and no rest on the seventh day. >> as an actor you want to do things right. i want to say the words right and i want it to be a great show. playing god, as strange as this might sound, it's always a great show. >> such a good guy, jim parsons. as great a guy as he appears to be on tv and "an act of god" is playing right now, studio 54 in new york. >> we have to go. >> i would love to. coming up at the top of the hour, the latest on the stunning indictment of former house speaker dennis hastert where the fbi alleges he paid more than $1 million in hush money. stay with us. you could sit at your computer and read all about zero-turn mowers. click. scroll. tweet. or you could just sit on a john deere z435 eztrak and feel its power. you'll know it'll get the job done fast. when it's time to pick a mower,

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we begin this friday morning, mika, with -- >> it's a major story. >> it's a huge story. we'll get -- this is a bigger one. you don't lead with something like this in a moment. >> the former speaker is indicted. >> like mandela being released from prison. put this up with -- yeah. mandela being released from prison. nay, nay, perhaps we go back to an iconic moment willie geist, in "morning joe" history where -- >> no we don't. >> paris hilton -- >> no we don't. >> -- ensnarled in america's unjust legal system, paris hilton hilton. do you remember that moment? who doesn't remember that moment

when paris hilton released from jail on june 26 2007. and this was the stop top story then. here we are just to prove how much we've grown in eight years, the top story this morning, willie geist -- >> is not this. >> and i can't go any further. i'll have to let you talk about it. lindsay lohan off probation. i've just been handed a bulletin. [ laughter ] >> lindsay lohan -- >> yes. >> come on! >> lindsay lohan has been released from probation after eight years. >> so many ups and downs. jailed five times, a political prisoner. >> for eight years. >> i think there is a reason why the koch brothers and many on the left supported criminal justice reform and it begins right here and ends right here. >> okay great. >> this ends today. >> all right. >> we'll see what rand paul has

to say about this. >> let's start with the political story. >> speaking of presidential elections, really quickly. we're all very excited about bernie sanders. i have to ask, though willie i don't know what you were doing in 1972 but "mother jones" has dug up something. bernie sanders wrote an article in 1972 saying men fantasize about abusing women and women fantasize about being rained. >> okay. >> 1972 -- >> what are you -- >> i was playing t-ball at the time so i don't remember 1972 that way but this is -- this is -- >> sick. >> this is kind of sick yeah. don't get mad at me i didn't write it. it's a long time ago, by the way. >> his office came out and said it was a poor attempt at satire. >> yeah, let's leave that alone. >> doesn't really look like satire but maybe bernie's more subtle now. >> can we get to the real political story making headlines across the country now? >> the sad political news. >> it is.

the >> i don't -- i got a flood of phone calls yesterday because denny was a guy beloved by everybody, mika and this is -- he would be the last guy in the world you would ever expect to see this headline from. >> dennis hastert, the longest serving republican speaker in the history of the house is now facing years behind bars after being indicted. he's accused of violating banking laws by trying to hide more than $900,000 in withdrawals allegedly made to cover up a "past misconduct" against someone. the fbi says hastert then lied about the cash transactions when questioned. here's what we know so far about the case and the unnamed individual. the indictment says individual "a" confronted hastert in 2010 and hastert agreed to pay $3.5 million to compensate and conceal the alleged misconduct. the person grew up in yorkville, illinois, the city next to hastert's hometown where hastert

taught high school and coached wrestling between 1965 and 1981. why do we say that? prosecutors say the alleged misconduct occurred years earlier than 2010 and the person has known hastert more than his or her life. hastert's past career in education, he was a teacher and wrestling coach, is also mentioned in the first few sentences of the indictment which many legal experts say and reporters say is a clear sign that it is relevant to the case. as for how the case developed, prosecutors say hastert now extremely wealthy, a lucrative lobbyist, made $50,000 withdrawals at various banks between 2010 and 2012. when a bank questioned those withdrawals, hastert started to take out less than $10,000 so the transactions would not have to be recorded. but the fbi began investigating the withdrawals and interviewed hastert. prosecutors say he denied trying to skirt banking rules or that the cash was being used as hush money or to commit a crime.

the fbi says hastert claimed he was keeping the money because he did not trust the banking system system. >> yeah, um -- willie, the indictment obviously, because it mentions his years as a wrestling coach and a teacher certainly suggests that the misconduct that he considered worth paying somebody $3.5 million to keep quiet obvious lily goes back to that time in his life. >> and you look how long these payments go. obviously over years and years. there are two questions i have is what did he do obviously, is the big question if he in fact, did anything. if there's something criminal we ought to know that. and the second side is is there extortion on the other side? did the person say "i want $3.5 million or else" or did denny hastert volunteer this payment? so a lot of people including those who worked with him, very surprised to see this. >> jeremy peters shock on

capitol hill yesterday from a lot of -- not only my former republican colleagues but also democratic colleagues. >> and i think that's because we have to remember the context in which hastert was elevated to the speakership. he was brought in as this soothing figure to help calm an especially traumatic period in republican history at this point. gingrich had just resigned under pressure. livingston couldn't assume the speakership because of his acknowledgment that he had just had an affair. here was hastert, the man that everybody called the coach, this unifying figure who people said at the time you know e-read ago quote from the "new york times" back in 1999 when hastert was elevated, he was the "kind of overarching figure our party needs at this moment" is what one of his colleagues said. and nobody expected something like this to happen to this guy. he was chosen because he was exactly the opposite kind of person you would expect this to happen to. >> so jeremy, to your point,

the man who was just two steps away from the presidency was actually nicknamed "the accidental speaker" but dennis hastert went on to become the longest-serving republican speaker of the house ever. here's how nbc covered his unexpected rise to the top. >> newt gingrich was the powerful speaker of the house, then he was gone after the election replaced by bob livingston of louisiana, now he's gone. the result of extra marital affairs. and he will likely be replaced by -- who? nbc's gwen ifill. >> reporter: dennis hastert's profile is so low that even after six terms in congress most americans, even many in washington, have no idea who he is. but republicans say the former wrestling coach is just who they need to rally their team. >> i didn't really seek this at all, it just kind of happened. we need to heal the wounds and reach out across the aisle. >> reporter: allies say hastert is a fixer who can talk to democrats and heal house

republicans now rocked with internal strife. >> the members wanted someone they know is solid, a man of integrity, he had no personal problems but could lead this team with a very narrow majority. >> gosh. >> that's something. >> we'll see what happens. i think the next step will be the revelation of who have this individual is if we ever find out. probably will. >> and what happened? let's move on to the ever-growing republican field for 2016. sitting at the bottom of the polls we have former new york governor george pataki. a guy who i read that morning somebody said it's a great irony people aren't taking george pataki seriously right now, but there is no doubt you look at his qualifications on paper, easily the most qualified republican. i think the fix had that three term governor of a massively large state, a blue state, shocked a liberal and he announced yesterday in new hampshire that he was running if ing ifning for president. >> we're here in exeter, new

hampshire, birthplace of the republican party. abraham lincoln's party who saved the union and who brought the promise of freedom to all americans. it is to preserve and protect that freedom that this morning i announce i am a candidate for the republican nomination for president of the united states. [ cheers and applause ] >> pataki, who spent 12 years as governor of new york america's third-largest state, left office in december of 2006. he brings the total number of announced candidates to eight with senator lindsey graham and former texas governor rick perry set to jump in next week. meanwhile, the national security argument is brewing within the gop. wisconsin governor scott walker says he respectfully disagrees with senator rand paul that republican hawks are to blame for rise of isis. but new york congressman peter king had some -- i don't know just kind of tougher -- a little tougher things to say. >> i would guess. >> i think rand paul should be a leading contender for the democratic nomination for president. i mean this is the classic

liberal left wing anti-bush anti-republican type of propaganda that's been spewed over the years. rand paul does not belong in the republican party when he care these message. >> during our show yesterday morning, george pataki released an announcement video. i want to show you a portion of that. >> the silhouette. >> we are founded on a miracle. a heroic path built on courage, on inventors, visionaries and heroes. a god-given belief in the nobility of the human spirit. >> and this is what mark halperin, his analysis, because that's what what he does. he paid money to analyze his stuff. here's his analysis of it. >> so political videos are all about imagery, right? but george pataki he's delivering here. he got the old american flag, there's abraham lincoln, iwo jima, man on the moon 9/11 also the 9/11 memorial the new world trade center, and a reminder that pataki was governor of new york during 9/11.

okay then we have this standard shot, the candidate talking to people, you have to look presidential indoors and outdoors while being driven around or okay sure while a dog licks your face. but hold on a second. you watch this long enough and you start to feel like this guy is selling you both a vision for america and something else like -- an elegant fragrance, curtain bloesing in the wind, a silhouette gazing out of the window, a guy lacing up his shoes showing he's still got it. all you need is a name. >> we the people. >> perfect. >> very good mark. >> i like that. >> funny. >> so pataki this is going to be an interesting race because nobody's busting out of the gate. we have pataki who we'll see what happens. he can surprise some people because he's run a massive state and some of these pretenders are -- they'll be shown who they are. donald trump is serious.

i mean it looks like he is -- >> he's going to make a big announcement then head to new hampshire. not sure of the exact date but soon. >> and donald trump keeps being called a clown and being called this and being called that. but if he actually jumps into the race you don't -- here's the thing about trump as opposed to say, "clowns" from previous contests. clowns from previous contests don't have their names all over buildings in new york and across the world and quoting mark halperin quoting bill clinton, if a turtle is up on a fence post it didn't get by accident. i guess my only point is if he's serious, donald trump's in on the joke a lot of times, but if he jumps in here i think i -- i think he's going to shake some things up in the primary. >> well he's definitely an agitator but the skepticism even has is that he strung us along so many times before and gotten

the publicity and not gotten in the race. >> but it looks like he's going to this time. >> he says he's going to make a major announcement on june 16 then head to new hampshire the next day. >> i will say, the guy always draws a crowd. i'm not saying he's going to win. i'm not saying that he's going to deliver the next gettysburg address, but i think these people that are saying he's a clown and he's this and he's that, if he jumps in jeremy, to this race he's going to have the money and he's going to have the name i.d. and he's going to have the press to maybe shake things up a little bit. >> and he's going to have an even bigger platform to promote his hotels his books, his ties his bottled water. that's the cynicism around donald trump right there. this shouldn't come as news to anybody. but why not? why not get in? look at all the other people in this race. i mean, it's none ny ees's funny, you would expect with all of these entries that would discourage freedom getting in but it's had the

opposite effect. these people who say, well, if all these guys are doing it why can't i? you look at pataki, the former three-term governor of new york. lindsey graham, a foreign policy expert, a very serious senator. these people who are by no means joke candidates. who aren't really breaking through at all because this field is so vast and diverse and very well qualified. >> sometimes the most qualified people with the most experience and knowledge don't break through. i remember one of our frustrations in 2008 was that time and time again chris dodd and joe biden won the democratic debates. and time and time again all the headlines were reserved for barack obama and hillary clinton. sometimes you just don't break through. i have to say, trump bottled water, though willie, if you've ever had it -- >> have you had the vodka? >> it's the best water in the world. and it has him on the cover with the fire coming up. >> if you have a -- i digress for a moment here but if you have a child's birthday party at

the ice rink here in new york city in central park they have a party area the kids all sit down and put out the cake and everything and each five-year-old station where they're having their cake there's a bottle of trump water with his face on it looking at the four-year-old. >> try the vodka. >> i like it. very good vodka, too. we'll see what happens. i will say, donald trump would tell glue if heyou if he runs he won't be able to do "the apprentice" this year and they're throwing money at him. so whatever money he may make in the future he will lose in the short run. i think he's got to run or stop talking about it. still ahead on "morning joe," can walks in the park instead of pills help people get better? looking at the growing trend of park prescriptions. >> that's a really good good good alternative. >> it hasn't worked for mike barnicle. well he hasn't walk head just puts on reflector sunglasses. >> i love walking. >> plus parks front-row seat on one of the biggest nights in

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time to take a look at the morning papers. let's start with the "l.a. times." neverland ranch, the infamous former home of the late pop star michael jackson going on the market. willie and i are thinking about taking some of our -- >> all right. >> winnings from the dogs to buy it u. it only costs $100 million. $100 million. >> neverland. >> i don't think so. though the amusement park elephants, orangutan and bubbles the chimp are gone, the 27 acre property now called sycamore valley ranch still has the railroad tracks. there's other things going, too.

train stations and iconic floral clock. he bought the property in late t late 1980s for $19.5 million but lived elsewhere after his acquittal on charges of mild molestation. i wonder why he built all these rides. anyway superfans hoping to get a peek at the property are out of luck. the agent warned any buyers will have to go through an extensive pre-qualification "we ain't giving tours." maybe that's not the exact quote. >> i was laughing about bubbles the chimp. that was a strange episode. brought the chimp to the grammys. >> is there not a michael jackson fan at the table? >> my mother is a huge michael jackson fan. >> he just had some peck dill lows. >> a couple messy quirks. >> it got a little messy at the end. i will tell you, still, you go back -- while bernie sanders was writing about these articles about what women fantasized about in 1927. the jackson 5, you go back and

listen to what they did -- >> that's one of the one concerts i went to. >> for two or three years the jackson 5 put out some of the most incredible music. >> no doubt about it. got my own kids listening to it now. it holds up. so good. let's go to "variety." south african comedian trevor noah will make his debut as host of "the daily show" on september 28. even though it's months away noah is testing out the set, taking the anchor chair for a spin. >> welcome the daily show. welcome the daily show with me trevor noah. s i am "the daily show"! new and sexy. ha! oh, wow, that's a nice chair. oh -- [ bleep ]. >> have you ever seen this guy? >> in't. >> i watched a standup of his on netflix the other day. he's hilarious. >> is he really. >> i was not familiar with him before. he has great riffs. he's half south african -- he

comes from a mixed family. i believe his mom is south african, his dad was swiss, is swiss, and he's hilarious. i'd never heard of him before this. >> i hadn't either. i was getting worried early on but i'm glad to hear. so netflix -- >> it's trevor noah's standup. you have to watch it. >> we're counting down to stewart's final episode. >> final episode of "the daily show" is august is 6, just about two months of jon stewart left. well, the senate's coming into town to stop what many officials are calling a national security nightmare. >> sections of the patriot act authoring the nsa's bulk data collection expires sunday night, so do two other surveillance provisions. with the house in recess until monday, top capitol hill aides all but admit nothing will be done before the deadline. all eyes are on kentucky senators majority leader mitch mcconnell leading the fight for reauthorization and rand paul who is preventing mcconnell from reaching the 60-vote threshold for even temporary extensions.

meanwhile, paul's likely competition in next year's republican primary, scott walker and jeb bush feel a bit differently about the program. >> anyone who's seen the videos of the man burned alive in the cage, of the egyptian christians beheaded or shot anyone who's seen what's happened in france and in belgium and in -- >> what does have that have to do with the nsa? >> it ties together. now more than ever americans realize this isn't something just happening over there. france is a good example. many people look at what happened in france and say that was because the french government for a while was tracking individuals like this for a variety of reasons, financial and otherwise, they set that aside. >> islamic terrorism wants to destroy western civilization plain and simple. so we need to protect the homeland. which mean we need to reauthorize the patriot act for sure. >> harold, this sure seems like a strange time to actually pull back on some of these security

measures. >> i listened to rand paul and some of those -- even the democratic party express concerns about this. i don't know what the alternative that they're propose proposing that we do in order to ensure -- we overreaching a little bit? we probably are. but if you were to poll most americans. they would err on the side of i'd rather overreach a little bit here to ensure we don't see the kind of coordinated plothted attacks. >> there's no doubt about it jeremy peters, a new poll out talking about americans by a wide margin supporting drone warfare warfare. americans want to be kept safe even if they sense there's an overreach. rand paul is going to have an interesting fight in his own party. >> he is. he's pretty much an island on this one and, you know, he won't be letting up. we saw him last week mount that filibuster style 11-hour speech. don't expect to see anything like that from him this time.

i'm told it's hard procedurally to grab the senate floor on a sunday, special session like this one, every senator is around and can block you from doing that. but he's demanding a vote on some nsa reform amendments ones that would end all bulk data collection and mitch mcconnell has not agreed to do that yet. and there are really no signs that he will. so i think that you're going to have rand objecting and that will trigger the expiration of this act and this will be drawn out for a few more days. still ahead on "morning joe" -- ♪ i don't for much i only want touch ♪ you know it don't come easy ♪ >> fans have long considered ringo starr to be a hall of fame musician, now it's official. his induction into the halls of music royalty next on "morning joe."

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 30 fast hour. a look at a few other interesting stories from the morning papers. this from the "washington post." in five years, 80% of the world's internet traffic will be devoted to video. according to a new study basis co- -- by cisco. part of the reason has to do with the increased internet

access, but users are expected to consume more video over time at a higher quality and on more devices. they estimate every second nearly a million minutes of video content will cross global networks. is that how people are just taking information? >> it's true. even the ceo of netflix said when he was giving a speech in europe he says television has max 20 years to survive whereas internet usage keeps going up every year. >> what about like tvs? >> isn't it -- the fcc, the other day, came out proposing that everybody -- every household should have internet access, the same way they did with cable access in the past. so you know, we're sort of fast forwarding where we were 20 years ago. from the "washington post," a stark generational divide in the u.s. when it comes to religion. a recent pew survey found millennials born between 1980 and 1996 are more likely than any past generation to say they are unaffiliated with religion.

the trend is especially pronounced among young women. according to data from san diego state university, a number of 12th grade girls who reported never attending church has risen by 125% over the past four decades while the increase among males was just 83%. the study team writes "given shifts away from traditional female role females have been affected more than males." speaking of the "washington post," joining us from washington senior writer for the "washington post" frances sellers. she's heard to explain why one d.c. doctors doctor is prescribing walks in the park instead of prescription pills? it's the topic of her piece in this morning's "washington post." frances, how serious is this? so many people are on medication more than ever. it seems like a walk in the park seems like a nice thing to do but does it really make a difference? >> well, that's part of the research that this doctor is going to be able to do.

this is an international and national movement and there's definitely evidence showing that it's good for you to be outside. it's good for you and it can combat some of these incredible scourges of urban living that we have from diabetes to heart disease and even mental health problems like adhd. so yeah it's a very good thing. what this doctor has done which is so interesting, is to create a database of all the parks and green spaces in washington. 350 of them. washington has a lot of parks. and he's created a database in which you can assess them according to their safety their access their facilities so you know if you go out you can walk around this park and you'll find benches. or that there are good bathroom facilities. and there's water available there. that kind of thing that can make all the difference to getting people out there. >> is this a mental health issue in terms of exercise? because i have to say the labels of of a.d.d., adhd.

>> i've already received e-mails from teachers saying "we shouldn't restrict time kids should be in the playground. they should be out there doing things." and this is what's so interesting. go back 150 years to the mid-19th century and the creation of these urban parks, people knew back then instinctively that when we were industrializing and workers would be living in the cities they needed to spend time outside. that's why we've got central park. they were creating with the notion that you needed to get out, that it was good for you and it helps you in your work and we forget it today so often. particularly in some of the low-income areas that this doctor i've been talking about is working in. >> frances, we're definitely an overmedicated society, no doubt about it. where do you draw the line between those who actually need the prescription pills that have mental illness and a walk in the park isn't the cure? >> right. and i think what we must remember is we're talking about prevention as much as cures so that maybe some of those people

won't be having those problems if they're getting out and about before the problems become symptomatic symptomatic. and that's true of diabetes and other things as well. so this is a cheap and efficient way of preventing problems that can become very real and destructive later on. >> frances sellers, we'll be reading your article in the "washington post." it's time now for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. sara, first quarter gdp numbers just out. >> negative. looks like the economy actually shrank mika, in the first three months of the year .7%. now, on one hand it's okay because we were sort of expecting this. this is the second look at the first quarter and leading up to this, economists were saying we're going to get a negative number. you had the very cold winter weather, you had the port shutdown and some of the problems that that caused on the west coast feeding into a lot of the retailers in this country, and you also had the impact of a very strong u.s. dollar hurting

our exports. so all of these factors who are what economists look at as potentially temporary. that's the good news. that we should be looking at a rebound as we head into better weather and shake off those negative effects of the economy. that's why the data now on this quarter is going to be so important to watch. but the headline number there for you is absolutely a negative one. buried in that report we did learn that consumer spending did tick up 1.8%. and that is pretty decent. that's going to be the key to watch going forward because this economy is more than three quarters driven by consumer spending. back to you, mika. also just wanted to point out we got a negative news on jobs report that j.p. morgan is going to lay off about 5,000 workers. >> bianna what's your take? >> i wonder what you're hearing in reaction to former lehman brother's ceo speaking out for the first time in a number of years. mixed reviews, his speeched seem to be alled over the place from the economy to putin. >> i agree. the fs odd.

there was a lot of hype built into this because he's in many ways been vilified in the face of wall street excess and he's been largely silent for seven years. we hear from him, he's speaking in this speech and he didn't bite when it comes to lehman brothers. he went on various subjects like that economy, geopolitics, as you said food inflation i think he mentioned but as far as lehman brothers, he didn't apologize, kept his stance as we had seen him many years ago testifying before lawmakers and he did sort of blame it on the government, on some of the policies that led up the to the housing market crash and defended his firm in some way saying the 27,000 people that worked at lehman brothers were all risk managers and all owned a piece of the firm. so a lot of people on wall street, the reaction, i can tell you, was it was a bit odd because it wasn't like he came out and had all that to say about the crisis regraetz he is had. nothing like that. it was really sort of a stream of consciousness about issues.

>> cnbc's sara eisen, thank you very much. have a great weekend. still ahead, they both came to power in 1922 and together changed the course of history. the fascinating new book on pope pius xi and mousse leeussolini. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too.

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the rise of fascism in university." i want to ask you about this book but first pope francis wading into climate change? what do you think the impact will be? >> i think it could be great. i know there are many in the u.s., the pope is scheduled to visit the u.s. this fall and i believe address congress as well as the u.n. the pope gets worldwide attention -- >> he's incredible. >> he is. there are people within the church who are concerned. the conservatives in the church are concerned about his turn on these issues but many many in the church are very excited. >> obviously a lot more excited than the history of pope pius who, of course we've always heard about the willing acquiescence ofpy pius in the face of nazi germany. >> in 1922 mussolini the

italian dictator comes to power. the same year pius xi comes to power and they've recently opened the vatican archives. they basically made a deal that each would gain by the deal despite the fact that mussolini was a well-known anti-cleric. he had come from the left wing of the socialist movement made a radical turn became a fascist and the pope decided that there was a deal to be made here despite the fact he was anti-religious. >> what was the deal? leave us alone, we'll leave you alone? >> no. not, there would be many privileges for the church. there had been separation of church and state in italy at the time which the church then was opposed to. mussolini would introduce crucifixes in the classrooms would grant payments to priests and cardinals, would sensor any anti-catholic materials, would ban protestants from organizing. so he'd do many things that previously under a liberal government could not be done. >> and revising history, looking back, if we had a pope john paul ii or a pope francis, would we

have seen a different outcome or does that just indicate the power that the pope had back then versus today? >> well this is the big controversy both about the years leading up to world war ii and then of course world war ii and the holocaust itself. the opening of the archives gives us new perspective on this. i don't think the fascist regime and mussolini could have survived in italy without the pope's support. >> really? >> yeah. >> so in that respect it doesn't sound that different from mid- medieval times? we have the famous story of the king going and subjecting himself to the pope and -- it happened time and time again, but even with mussolini in the 1920s, a pope's blessing was a prerequisite? >> well, you have to realize that there was no separation of church and state and the -- mussolini needed the support of the church. in italy everybody was catholic practically. and the main opposition party at the time mussolini came to power

was a catholic party headed by a priest. so for mussolini to establish his dictatorship he needed the pope to pull the plug on the catholic party. >> the book is "the pope and mussolini." david kertzer, thank you so much. >> the reviews are absolutely stunning. fascinating and tragic story. gripping story telling. congratulations. >> thanks so much. up next john lennon paul mccartney and george harrison have received one of music's top honors. now the wait is finally over for ringo starr. a first look at his special achievement when we come back. ♪ you know it don't come easy ♪

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♪ i'm not a part of a redneck agenda ♪ everybody read the propaganda let's take a look at the age of paranoia ♪ >> making me feel very very old, green day performing their hit song "american idiot" at the 2015 rock 'n roll hall of fame induction ceremonies which airs tomorrow night on hbo. with us now, we have the president and ceo of the rock 'n roll hall of fame foundation. joel, thank you for being with us. i feel old. the first time i heard green day on a radio in 1994 -- >> well if you want to feel old, what about the first time you heard paul butterfield? >> well i was like oh my god.

i guess what i'm saying is green day is already in the rock 'n roll hall of fame? that was fast. >> 25 years. >> another guy also in the rock 'n roll hall of fame ringo is going to be inducted and it remind me of '99 when paul was inducted stella having the shirt about effing times. how does ringo feel all these years later? what an extraordinary moment, the surviving beatles playing in honor of ringo. >> it was fabulous. people don't understand what ringo meant to other musicians and when you watch the show tomorrow night on hbo we do this intro and we interviewed six other major drummers stuart copeland, taylor hawkins, max wineberg and they talk about what ringo meant to him as a drummer, his technique and the sound he made which is one of the reasons he was inducted? >> also ringo, what a lot of people don't realize is after the beatles breakup in 1970 everybody expects paul and john will be commercially successful.

first three or four years, from '70 to '75, ringo was rolling out the hits it was he and paul who had the most hits. >> one after another. that body of work is what we really celebrate in the induction ceremonies because it's unlike other ceremony wes see a lot. it's the same acts doing the same songs and winning this award. this show really celebrates a body of work of all these -- >> and for young people who don't -- aren't too familiar with ringo's career you look at songs like "photograph," "it don't come easy" you look at his "ringo" album from '74, '75, it's impressive in its own right. >> and it's still constantly played. it's an opportunity for younger people to see him which is a reason that when we put the show together we bring in people like that zach brown and tom morello and mileycyrus. >> your special appearance list is fascinating. inductees, ringo starr, green

day, joan jett and the black harts, bill whithers, lou reed and stevie ray. >> stevie ray vaughan and double trouble. from bill withers to the five royals who most people have never heard of but when you're singing that song "dedicated to the one i love" or "think" which james brown and the rolling stones have covered but it was a guitar style eric clapton picked up on. >> joan jett obviously. we were talking about miley cyrus talking about being influenced by joan jett. >> when you see the speech she gives on the show it's incredible. she talks about the first time -- >> you're talking about miley? >> miley cyrus. she loves joan hugely influenced. they gotten a opportunity to sing along with dave grohl and then with ringo and paul.

>> lou reed is the velvet underground in -- >> yes. >> they've already been inducted. >> velvet underground was already inducted. lou has been eligible for a while and he passed away before he got in on his own. but we had this opportunity, really, to celebrate him with beck giving his first performance after winning his grammy and karen oh coming together patti smith doing the induction which is this impassioned wonderful speech because they were terrific friends and then his wife lori giving this lovely speech. >> you guys have an exhibit, a special exhibit combining music and rock and roll, don't you? >> it's what we do. we have a special exhibit -- >> i'm sorry rock and roll and politics. >> that's coming up next year. with the election year being and the republican convention being in cleveland we're going to do a special exhibit on rock and politics. we have a fabulous one now on herb ritz who did rock and roll photography and one on paul simon celebrating 50 years of his career starting from when he first heard his first song on

the radio which inspired him to pick up a guitar. >> one of my favorite parts of the show is that you bring bands together that either fallings out or haven't seen each other or spoke within each other for years, gun ssen roses is one of my favorite. are you nervous as a producer? >> a lot of the times i want goes down to the last minute. you hope they have class that they can put their -- >> well, that happened with kiss. >> well, i was going to say a little bit of class doesn't always happen. you'd think they could put things aside at a point and just for one night and mostly not necessarily for themselves but for their fans. >> yes. >> for one night you can deal with each other, buck nice and talk. but some people can't. >> unless you're kiss. >> look -- >> is that the guy with the tongue? >> fortunately people are induct bid their talent not their personalities. if it was personality we'd have half the amount of inductees. joel peresman thank you so much. great to have you on. >> nice to be here.

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coming in from all over america and the world. keep the braces 96%, lose the braces 95%. >> wait a minute. those numbers are skewed. >> not if you went to the university of alabama. >> joe -- >> what are you going to do? >> i'm going to stick it out for the weekend and see how i do. i think i'm doing really well. >> i think you're doing fantastic. i'm really proud of you. i saw you struggle through the last book event at union square. >> that was stuff? what a great event we have this weekend in palm beach gardens. mika will be down there tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. palm beach gardens. >> join me we'll have a great time. >> we talk about growing your value. >> your -- barnes & noble. what did you learn, bianna. >> we're going to need multiple poll screens to highlight the potential gop candidates. >> oh, my gosh. >> what did you learn? >> that there are no garages in chevy chase. not sure why. >> we did learn that. i learned an awful lot. i'm going to go back and look at

the whole three hours right now because it was so so much. >> i think your polling methods are unethical. >> this was an instant classic of "morning joe" and we thank you for being a part of our little slice of history. >> see you in palm beach tomorrow. >> what does that mean? >> wrap up it's time to stop talking. >> you can't tell. it's in your head. >> thank you so much beeian. that have a good weekend, everybody. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart and we begin "the rundown" with breaking news from waterlogged texas. this morning, towns across the lone star state dealing with more destructive flooding from the record-setting rainfall. dozens of drivers quickly became stranded by the fast-moving waters. look at this. this happened in dallas overnight, the driver tried to