this sunday, our 2016 campaign special. the threat to hillary. is it time to take this man more seriously? >> we are going to build a movement of millions of americans. >> why bernie sanders may be a much bigger threat than anyone there was phony blood coming out of his mouth. >> in long beach, california, police convince a minister to fake his own death. >> there was dirt where it looked like he is struggled in the dirt. >> to convince his wife the hit she planned was successful. >> the informant says well, do you want him beat up or do you want him killed? and she says, beat up, hell, i can beat him up. >> no! no! >> if we could give out an academy award, mane man, she's right up there. >> that was my husband. i loved him. and in florida.

>> a little girl, she's gone. >> a grandmother with a plan that shocks detectives. >> she wants her grandchildren killed. >> no witnesses. are you okay with that? >> you wanted your family murdered. >> no. it's like you want him gone, not walking the earth anymore. >> you want him dead. 'going to be $20,000. >> caught on camera presents, the hit man tapes. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> okay, he has got a picture he wants me to look at to see if you can identify the person. i hate to do it that way, but the person is already gone. they've already taken him. so if you can take a quick look. >> no! no! oh.

>> it seems to be a heart wrenching scene. police hand a long beach, california, woman a series of photos of her husband lying in a field. he appears to be dead. >> oh. oh! >> but the pictures are not as grizzly as she thinks. >> we actually set up a phony crime scene. i think they went to mcdonald's and got a bunch of catch ups or something. had that, put dirt from the field on that and put some grass shavings on that. and let me tell you, he looked dead. >> it's all part of a sting that begins in 1993 when 32-year-old perma jean pritchett inquires about a hit man to kill her husband, charles, a minister at a local church. >> i was in the office, just myself and another detective. and we received a phone call from a burglary detective.

he informed me that he had in custody a subject that had some information that he wanted to pass on. >> the inmate is being held on possession of stolen property, but claims to know about a more serious crime. >> he said that he had been contacted to kill somebody. >> the motive? a $100,000 insurance policy. perma jean, a school bus driver, hopes to receive after her husband dies. >> this was a classic couple of opposites attract. charles -- about the only way you could describe him is he just seemed like a perfect gentleman. and she was at the opposite end of the scale. >> perma jean seemed a little rough around the edges. a little bit more street wise, maybe. >> she had drawn the informant into the scheme after meeting him at this intersection near her home. >> the informant was really -- he was quite a character. he was a homeless guy. he was living under a bridge at the time.

and he would wash windows on cars and that's where they ultimately struck up a -- a friendship. >> the informant is an opportunist. if he was walking along the street and he saw a bicycle laying down he would get on it, ride away, and try to sell it for maybe $20. >> the informant was not a hit man, but when he got arrested he knew he had something to bargain with, so he came forward with the information. >> police are interested in working with him. they removed him from jail so they can videotape him meeting with perma jean in the parking lot a popular restaurant chain. >> here she comes driving up in a camaro, only she had another person with her. which was kind of a surprise to us. turn out it was her son, who was also in on the deal. no you ain't his child. >> jesse pritchett is 19 years old and would later tell police he loves his stepfather.

>> when he married her, he took that young man in and treated him as his own son. >> in the camaro the topics wildly shift from the murder plot to informant's taste in women. >> i want a woman with gray heir. i want one that old. that's the way i want one. >> he was a real demonstrative person. he was quite a likable guy. but he spoke street slang. and we had to have the conversation with him that when he talked to perma jean he had to talk in such a manner that a jury would understand what she wants. >> nobody is going to hear this conversation. >> like you was telling me jed you don't want jesse involved because people know he has been feuding with the dummy.

>> the informant is referring to charles by a nickname nobody in his church has ever heard. >> perma jean and the informant referred to him as the dummy. it was an in-house joke. trust me, he was not dumb at all. >> i ain't never killed nobody. >> in previous conversations the informant has claimed he can't do the job himself and is subcontracting the slaying to an imaginary hit man named joe. >> joe will put bullets in him. joe has a couple 187s under his belt. >> 187 is street slang for the section in the california penal code defining murder. >> he just beat a 187 out of a chp officer. that's why he don't want to meet anybody because he don't want nobody to see him. >> the anecdote is more fiction created by the informant.

>> you can tell them to do one thing and they throw in something else. i'm sure actors do the same thing. >> i told you $2,500. >> the two agree on a fee of $2,500 as soon as perma jean receives the settlement from the insurance company. >> i got the license number now. just gave it to me. now we are going to wait in the front for him in the morning. >> all i can tell you about his schedule is that he leaves at 5:30 in the morning. >> you want him killed or do you just want him beat up? >> i can beat him up. >> the informant says, well, do you want him beat up or do you want him, you know, killed? she instantly comes back and she says, beat up? hell, i can beat him up. >> so you want him killed, took out?

i'm just saying. joe's going to kill him. >> don't beat him up or anything like that. just blow his head off. >> that door was always left open that she could say no, i don't want him killed. and she never took that step forward. >> what is he going to do take the car and drive him somewhere? >> yeah. >> he is going to scream until everybody is looking. he ain't going to let -- as soon as he comes in contact he better kill him. now let's get out of here and get some donuts. >> they are in the middle of this conversation and one of them starts talking about being hungry. then they start talking about donuts. so now the conversation about a murder contract seems to be put on hold to go to a discussion about donuts. >> let's go get donuts. >> i don't want to get some donuts. i want to get some beer.

>> they did get out of the car. and then they started becoming animated. and then they start like slap fighting one another. we were just speechless watching this little carrying on. >> i don't believe this. this is nuts. but we've got to remember, even though we're out there and it's exciting and it's fun, this man's whole life is crumbling. >> police will now have to convince him to aid their case by staging his own death. >> everybody said the same thing, hey, this guy is not going to get down in the dirt and do this. >> you said shoot him through the window, right.

>> you said shoot him through the window, right. >> yeah. >> september 9th, 1993, school bus driver perma jean pritchett is caught on tape planning the murder of her husband, charles,

minister of a small church in long beach, california. >> you can plug that boy four or five times. you better be listening to what i'm saying. >> i'm listening. >> what she doesn't know is her accomplice is an informant who allows police to tape the exchange after getting arrested on unrelated charges and trying to cut a deal. once perma jean leaves he patiently waits for detectives to take him back into custody. >> we did not want her to know that he's getting back in a car with us. we wanted her to feel ultimately that he's going to go do whatever he does. when in reality we are going to take him back to jail. >> police are now worried about the reverend, who has been sharing a home with a woman trying to engineer his murder. >> we needed to get ahold of her husband and tell him. so we got a black and white patrol car, and we sat on his house the next morning real early and watched him leave and headed off to work. we got him out of the car and just basically told him that we had a video that he needs to

see. >> i don't care what he does as long as he comes in contact with him, he better kill him. >> you could tell at that moment instantly he was a broken guy. >> according to police, charles is particularly upset by the sight of his 19-year-old stepson, jesse, helping his mother conceptualize the hit. >> here's two people that he truly believes that he loves and he has given his life to are going to kill him. >> when he had a chance to absorb the fact that his wife wanted him killed he had told us there had been a couple of other attempts on his life. he was driving in his car back from work, and he heard what he thought first sounded like a backfire. >> and at that time in the county of los angeles we had had some random shootings on the freeway. and he did turn and he saw the barrel of a rifle coming back into a car and he saw the car speed away and then further

talking with the guy we found out that he came home from work one night and there were a couple of thugs in his house with a pipe. and he escaped being beat up on that time. he just thought somebody had come to burglarize his house. >> although she is never charged, investigators suspect that perma jean orchestrated both near death encounters. >> after hearing about the attempted shooting on the freeway, the attempted robbery, and now this, if he is a reverend, he has got some pull upstairs. it's possibly worked for him and it's working for him. >> as the truth sets in, the minister offers to do whatever he can to help police. >> i said, well, we'd like you not to go home tonight. so we'd like you to go missing all day. and we'd like to see what happens. and then we'll like the make you up like you are dead and present it to your wife and see what the reaction we get. so we put him up in a hotel that night.

the guys picked up charles pritchett in the morning from the hotel. they swung by a mcdonald's and they grab a number of ketchup packets and off they went to the crime scene. >> the fabricated crime scene is a vacant lot where police lay the minister down and start taking polaroids. >> there was phony blood coming out of his mouth. there was dirt where it looked like he is struggled in the dirt. >> everyone said the same thing, hey, this guy is not going to get down in the dirt and do this. i convinced them. i g it's not going to take that all, you don't have to lay around all day. a quick couple photos and we'll clean you up. >> the plan, bring perma jean and jesse pritchett to the scene to help convince them the murder was successful. >> we had labs out there, we had all the bells and whistles that you would see at an open field location crime scene. we had that set up. >> we had a patrol car go to her house and we transported her

back to the scene and at that time we had that car wired for sound. >> we knew exactly where the car was going to drive and are they were going to stop so we could get the right angle from it. >> they say the body has been removed from the crime scene. >> wait one minute. i'll be right back. >> when the officer excuses himself detectives listen to see if the two will implicate themselves. >> just wait one minute. d she makes a comment about the fingerprints. maybe they are going to catch this guy, and lead it back to me some way, some how. >> an officer then produces the pictures of the charles laying in the field. >> we could see that the officer turned around and showed them a picture. >> no! >> and we could hear -- the audio was perfect. >> and we could give out an academy award man, she's right up there.

>> let me take that, jean. oh. oh. oh! >> calm down. when was the last time you guys saw charles? >> yesterday morning. >> did you hear from him at all yesterday? >> nothing at all. >> has he talked about any problems or -- anybody give him any trouble? somebody who would want to hurt him? >> not that i know of. >> she did say that she filed a missing persons report. and we did find that she had. like she is the loving wife who is missing her husband. >> he was a minister. why would someone do that to him? >> weren't just going to arrest their out there in the field. we had gone to the extent of

letting her believe that charles was dead. but we also wanted to be in a room where it was a controlled environment. >> maybe he was the victim of a robbery. we're not sure. we found some items out here in the field. we'll take you to the station for a few minutes just to look at some jewelry items. >> she didn't want to go down to the station. and we convinced her we just want you to identify a few things, and it won't take very long at all, and we'll have you back home. >> we need that to be done. if we could do that -- it's a five-minute drive. we'll do it. i know it is an inconvenience, but we really need the help. and i think you will be glad later on. >> it is a decision she'll soon regret. >> i can prove that i have done nothinwrong.

that is my husband. i love him. >> but she is unprepared for the surprise that awaits her. >> at that time, i motioned for charles to be brought in. >> i can imagine he's not -- he's not? oh. charles! oh! boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain and rain. water got inside and ruined everybody's everythings. the house thought she let the family down. but the family just didn't think a flood could ever happen. the reality is, floods do happen. protect what matters. get flood insurance. visit floodsmart.gov/flood to learn more.

was it typical for charles not to come home and you not to see him at night? >> he's usually home at 9:30 at the latest unless he went to church. >> in a vacant lot in long beach, california, school bus driver perma jean pritchett and his 19-year-old son jesse sit in the back of a patrol car answering questions. after police show them these photos of reverend charles pritchett, perma jean's husband and jesse's stepfather, seemingly dead in a field.

>> i want to go home. >> at this point, no one has accused the two of any crime. but they are told they are needed at the police station to identify charles pritchett's belongings. >> everybody knew what was going on except them. >> for instance, they are unaware that the entire crime scene is a fabrication and detectives have this footage of them speaking to an informant planning the murder. >> i don't care when he does it. i'm telling you as soon as he comes in contact, he better kill him then. >> but charles is never murder. on september 14th, 1993, he poses for these photos in order for police to videotape the suspects and study their reacts. >> we brought them down to the police station. we separated them in two separate rooms. we didn't really know what to expect but we knew we were going to have something worthwhile to either talk about or look at. >> you are going to be placed under arrest for solicitation

for murder for hire. >> what? that's a life. i was at work. i haven't been nowhere. i go to work and come home i'm with my kids. i'm at work. that is it. that's all i do. all i do is work. >>ma, i sympathize with you. however, we have evidence, strong evidence for us to believe otherwise. okay? >> well, i can prove that i have did nothing wrong. that is my husband. i love him. we got problems. we worked them out. me and my husband been doing fine. i haven't done anything wrong. >> and at that time, i motioned for charles to be brought in. >> what? charles! oh! i -- >> we told charles, stick your head in there and make it very

apparent that you are alive. we don't want you to talk. >> we had people around charles because we are dealing with human nature here. we didn't know how he was going to react seeing his wife knowing she paid someone to have him killed. >> you are under arrest for solicitation for murder for hire. >> i didn't -- i work. i went to the man -- he'll tell you. why do i go through something like that? i don't even have any money. >> we all do things that we're not -- >> charles took, we took -- we talked. >> she's just trying to find a way out. she says, hey, i really didn't want him dead. and she comes out and says the informant's name, that's his you fault. he set it up. he did it. >> you want him killed, took out? >> what did i said, don't beat him up or nothing like.

that just blow his head off. >> as perma jean learns of the evidence she alters her story to police. >> at one point she finally admitted she wanted it done, but wanted it done quickly. >> i don't think we would be here 20 years later if it wasn't for the video. >> we didn't even have to go to court. >> instead, perma jean and jesse pleaded guilty to soliciting the preacher's murder. perma jean declined msnbc's interview request: after faking his own death, reverend charles pritchett moved on with his life, remarried and even ran into detective walt turley while on vacation. >> i actually had my wife walk

over and take a picture with him so i could show the guys back in the office that -- you're not going to believe this one. s' just a really lucky guy. coming up. >> i want to kill the bitch. >> in florida, an extreme solution to a family matter. >> it's hard for me to imagine that a grandmother would want their grandchildren killed. ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪

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hi i'm frances rivera may 30th, 2006. 59-year-old versie jackson enters a hotel room in florida searching for a remedy to a family conflict. >> she could have been my grandmother, just by looking at her. >> jack frost is the uncover detective from the lake county sheriff's office who the grandmother believe is a hit man for hire. >> the thing about it is, it is a little girl. i know what happens. i know her. i know her mother. i know the things she has done. >> the little girl is versie's own granddaughter. >> is sounds really cold, and it hurts.

but there's nothing i can do about it. >> this was actually her own blood. that's the part that was hard for me to swallow. >> we're in the adjoining room that has a connecting door to the room. and we are watching it on the monitor. >> major crimes clay watkins is part of team stationed on the opposite side of the wall. >> they are not your typical american family, that's for sure into at the time, another member of that family, versie's 31-year-old son jason, is in jail accused of molesting his own daughter and stepdaughter. it's his wife that reports the abuse to the police. from his cell, jason asks another inmate to help engineer the murder of his spouse, both girls, and the arresting officers. >> they had said you have to be careful that there is a dog at the residence but go ahead and make sure you dill dog also.

>> i'm a huge animal lover so that actually ticked me off a little bit. >> he thought that if the family was killed and there were no witnesses for the sexual battery, that he would get off and he would no longer have to pay $20,000 to his attorney to represent him for the case. and so he would use that money to pay the inmate to commit the murders. >> jason says his parents, versie and her 60-year-old husband robert will broker the deal. but jason's fellow inmate is uneasy with the proposition. >> but the fact that jason had sexually abused the girls and now was going to go out and kill the girls, it bothered the inmate. >> so much so that he contacts authorities and reveals jason's plan. but before deputies can act, they need further proof. >> we set up an opportunity for the inmate and jason jackson to be put into a holding cell

together at which time he makes some statements confirming that he's willing to pay him to kill. >> but will the grandparents really participate? when the inmate bonds out of jail, investigators instruct him to set up a meeting with the jacksons at this local best western. before it begins, though, officials make a last-minute decision to team the informant with an undercover detective. >> we received counsel from our leadership that, look, we're going to put somebody else in the room. we're not going to have an inmate in the room by himself. we were worried that the inmate might be trying to escape, too. >> this is my buddy. hi, how are you doing. i like your shirt. >> thank you. >> he was going to carry the conversation, and pretty much just introduce me as his partner. >> do you want a cigarette? >> i got some. >> i've got a lighter. you see who the brains are in

this room here. >> when the introductions went on, i saw the way she looked at me and acknowledged me. she didn't give me like a second glance or who are you? her mine was focused on what she wanted to do while she was there. at that point i knew she was going to be an easy mark. >> i'll consider myself couldn't ass but not indicate june. >> we talked about once we finished that we were pretty much going to go lay low over in louisiana. that's originally where i'm from. so it was easy for me to make up stuff are from that area. >> they had me for bank robberies. he is going to need money every month like clock work. >> he was a good actor, everything that the inmate mentioned he made up on his own. every single bit of it. >> i went in the store, they cash payroll checks and i went in and i asked they got any guns in there. >> when he started making up the story about robbing the indian store i had to sit back and kind of look at him.

it sounded legit. after we got done with the operation, i joked with the detectives that they may want to question him further about that and make sure that's something that didn't happen. i wanted to sit across the room so i could see everything she was doing but at the same time be able to allow her equipment to focus on her. i had instructed the inmate to pretty much stay up on the bed for the same reasons. >> i brought some rubber gloves. i watch tv. >> what she was doing by saying she watched crime shows and such is she wanted to let us know she knew how this was supposed to work. >> told me she knew she was committing a crime. she knew what she was doing was wrong and she didn't want to be caught at it. >> my husband is downstairs. he did not. he did not. it's going to be him you are

going to go to. >> i'm going into town. you don't even need to know the details. >> no, i don't want to know. >> you won't know the time or place. >> she had told us she didn't want to know the details. i was prepared to go through and explain several previous murders that i had committed. but as soon as she had said that, that's why i left it where it was. >> still, the informant continues to remind versie their mutual goal is slaughtering an entire family. >> i'm going to go into the house and i'm going to [ bleep ] did. >> i think at that point in time she is struggling with the fact that she is going to have her granddaughter killed. but that's what her son wants. >> but will she be willing to pay for her son's freedom with a 10-year-old's life? >> all right. well then you need to just tell me straight up.

>> it's really, really, really hard.

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i don't want my dna on [ bleep ]. >> in a florida hotel room, 59-year-old versie jackson slips on a pair of rubber gloves as she plots the murder of her 10-year-old granddaughter with two men she thinks are contracted killers. >> i was kind of surprised when she showed up in the parking lot. >> detective clay watkins is part of a team from the lake county sheriff's office listening to the conversation from an adjoining room. >> it's hard for me to imagine that a grandmother and a

grandfather would want their grandchildren killed. >> but versie and her husband, 60-year-old robert jackson say they have to protect their son jason after he is accused of molesting his daughter along with a 16-year-old stepdaughter in his house in nearby month dora florida. >> he wanted the officers and detectives murdered. >> jack frost is the undercover detective placed in an hotel room with the informant also posing as a killer. >> she wanted the entire family murdered because in her mind that meant her son was going to be able to get released from prison. >> oh, gosh. >> chill out, sit down. >> i can't. >> she was nervous of course, when she came in. >> i walk, i pace. >> i had wanted her to sit down because i didn't know what she was going to do with her walking all around the run. i didn't know if she was getting ready to pull a gun out and wanted to plug us because she had changed her mine with her husband and was going to get rid

of these hired thugs. she wanted, you know, nothing left behind in that room when we left, whether it was ashes from a cigar or from anything else. >> i wasn't here. >> i'm nervous. >> i'm terrified. >> you are going to think this is crazy, but the role that i decided to play that day was the kind of person that you would feel comfortable coming to ask to kill your family. i personally, if i was going to ask for someone to kell my family, i would feel more nerve u.s. going up to some biker looking person, you know, that looks like he is going to kill me as i'm talking to him. i could tell she felt more comfortable with someone who was talking like a friend. >> i've got a bad heart. >> don't fall down here. >> oh, god.

wanted to let her know she could be relaxed and calm and not sit there and have a heart attack in front of us. >> from their hotel room sneks door, officers scrutinize the way the informant acts with the uncover detective and versie jackson. >> this is good news. >> that was fire. >> it was not. it was the wrong hit. we talked in detail about this, right. >> sure the inmate was a bad guy, but he was no hit man. so he's trying to play that role. so you do worry about it, that he might say something that could hurt the case. but in this case, it didn't. it all worked out. >> before she authorizes the hit, though, the grandmother inquires about jason's chances of aquital. >> tell me, i need to know. my conscience needs to know. >> this is going to get him acquitted. there is not a doubt in my mind. >> i think she's asking for permission n my mind. >> do you want them scared or do

you want them [ bleep ] dead. i know what he said, and he is talking about that there. but you are the parents -- this sounds weird but you are the parents, so i want to hear it from you. >> get them all: can you get them all. >> what about the stepmother? >> i'm the real mom. we've been married 42 years. what would you do? >> she wanted for us to say if we were in our place, you know, we would do the same thing. can't tell you what i would can't tell you what i would do i'm a totally different person than anybody else in this room. >> i know. but if this were you in this situation, what would you do? >> i personally -- i don't know. >> what we want her to say on tape, what exactly she wants done. and that she wants her grandchildren and daughter-in-law killed.

>> my sister testified against me in a bank robbery case when i took her car. when i looked at versie as she was listening to his story i could see her shaking her head. >> i would kill the bitch. >> that was in louis hussein. >> i oobt wouldn't give a [ bleep ]. i'd hurt her real bad. >> do you want everybody in the house, including the dog? yes or no? and it might be good if you all are out of town that night. >> we have to know what you want done. >> i need to check my -- >> we'll need more money, yeah. >> but investigators are still waiting to see if she'll sanction the murder. >> i need to know where -- they are all going. i can't leave one and kill the other.

>> yes. >> coming up, versie believes she is about to solve her son's problems. >> get your hands out. >> hands up. >> the investigation was bigger than what she thought. >> that's your granddaughter. she has one quarter of your dna, doesn't she?

the thing that we're concerned about is i don't want you to lock at us and think that we're dirt bags. >> i don't. >> may 30th, 2006, in a tevares, florida, hotel room, 59-year-old versie jackson offers reassuring words to the two men she thinks she is hiring to kill her granddaughter.

>> i don't think you are bad. i don't think either one you are bad. people do what they have to do to survive. there is a lot of innocent people sitting in jail. >> and according to versie, her 31-year-old son jason is among the wrongly incarcerated since police in nearby month dora arrested him on charges of molesting his 10-year-old daughter and 16-year-old stepdaughter n. versie's opinion, the children, along with jason's ex-wife, are trying to frame him. >> she was looking for pretty much someone to murder the family, to get rid of the witnesses. >> behind bars, jason asks his cell mate to help. anz as soon as the inmate is released from jail, jason tells him to contact versie and put the plan into action. instead, the cell mate reports the plot to authorities. they respond by pairing him with undercover detective, jack frost, and instructing the two to mask raid as hit men. >> i don't know if you are a cop.

he doesn't know if you are a cop. i'm just saying. i'm just saying. nerve this room is nervous. >> the first thing everybody is doing when you are sitting in a room ands everybody is looking around at each other wondering who is a come. i always try to throw it back on the other person. that way it puts them on the defensive. >> i gott love him more than anything on this earth. >> i think it went past the love. the only thing she cared about was herself and her son. hence she was there trying to get everybody killed. >> my husband -- >> all of them. >> got to. because if you don't -- >> with a s.w.a.t. team waiting and poised to strike, investigators watch for versie through the lens of a hidden camera reaching into her purse for a down payment of $100. >> couldn't it. i didn't touch it unless it was with this. >> she tells us it's towingen money. it might have been all the money she had.

it could have been 20 bucks but she didn't want us to leave. >> 1 hund, come on, that will got us out of florida. >> they wanted an exchange of money. whatever money they were willing to pay we were willing to take to show they were intent on having their gran grand children and draurnl killed. >> we open up the door and we burst in the room. the idea behind it was we didn't want her to think that the inmate was providing us with information. so we went ahead and we arrested all three individuals inside the room. >> this way, this way. >> oh, oh, oh! >> it's always kind aftershock a little bit whenever they actually do a take do you. you start seeing these guns waving around. you know that they are on your side, but you still get nervous. >> oh, oh, oh, what did i do. >> just lion your stomach for a few minutes. >> okay. >> at that point in time versie

began to fake a heart attack. >> is he in jail. >> of course we get her medical attention and then begin to interview her. >> is anybody downstairs waiting for you? >> versie doesn't know that police have spotted her husband waiting outside and taken him into custody. >> i've never been in trouble. my husband has never been in trouble. he has never even been inside of a police car. never. >> well he is now. he is now. okay? do you want jason out of jail? don't you? >> answer yes or no. okay. and you are willing to kill people to get him out of jail. >> no. no. >> why are you here with $100 asking somebody to kill them? >> as you can see when i go into the room i have a lot of emotion in my voice. it's upsetting the fact that i was raised in a family that mother, father, and brothers and

sisters, we all took care of each other. and i didn't want to let versie jackson off the hook for paying somebody to kill her grandchildren. it really upset me. all right. so you wanted your family murdered. >> no, no, i don't. >> excuse me, i was in the other room, and i listened to you. >> i know. i know. >> okay? so don't lie to me. it doesn't look good. >> but i don't. >> then why would you bring money to a man in a hotel room? why would you talk about it and tell them that you want them dead? >> scared. >> you weren't scared, lady. it was nothing -- that's nonsense. >> that's your granddaughter, isn't it?

that's your biology flesh and blood. has one quarter of your dna, doesn't it. so you feel pretty bad about yourself, don't you. >> yes, i do. >> as soon as we finished taking her down and i went into the room and was actually able to watch the video and listen to the audio, i knew for a fact -- unless a meteror were to hit the earth that day that that was an automatic conviction. there was absolutely no way they were going to be able to get out of that. >> at the sheriff's office, robert jackson emphatically insists neither he nor his son are guilty of any crime. >> you wanted these kids killed, didn't you. >> i don't want them hurt at all. >> you don't want them hurt. >> i don't want them hurt. >> what about your stepdaughter. >> i want her to tell the damn truth. >> okay. >> i want her to tell the truth because my season did not commit these crimes. >> jason was the one that cooked this whole scheme up, but he wouldn't have been able to carry it out if he had not been able to get the help from versie or

from robert. >> unfortunately, you are in the parking lot with your wife when your wife is on videotape making deals with a hit man. >> making deals with a hit man. and we're recording it. we didn't come here today without some of the answers to the questions we are asking you. the reason i came in this room today is to see what kind of person you are and if you were going to be truthful with me and say, look, i made a mistake. i might have let things get out of hand and should have talked my son out of it. but things got out of hand. and this is what they were talking about, and this is what happened. and you need to start thinking about that woman sitting out there. you me to start thinking about your son that's in jail. and you need to start thinking about yourself. because this does not look good. >> okay. >> eventually, versie jackson had the same realization. both she and robert pleaded guilty to conspiracy and solicitation to commit murder.

robert was sentenced to eight years. versie, to five. >> i got bad heart. >> in 2007, she died behind bars. >> jason jackson was also convictsed in the murder for hire case and pleaded guilty to the sexual battery of the children. his scheduled release date, september 23rd, 2064. >> i want to take a picture. >> go g i've got my permission. >> after assisting authorities, the informant continues to find trouble, accumulating convictions for extortion, auto theft, and other crimes. disappointing detectives impressed with his performance in the florida hotel room. >> he plight have got an acting job. >> my grand daddy was cajun. >> because he is very good.

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