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i'm or the aye -- i'm toure and for the first time the nsa cannot use the phone records for security and they must have subpoena s subpoenas from met ta data collected. the senate did vote to take up the house approved president obama en dorsed u.s. freedom act. the new bill will extend the patriot act, but one huge difference difference, the metarecords are going to be storeed by the telecom companies, and supporters like patrick leahy who we will speak with in a moment. he says that it does not go far enough for protecting the rights of everyday americans. right now, the senate is trying to figure out which if any of the amendments will accompany the bill. tomorrow starts the potential
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30-hour period of debate. and if they wave that we could be looking for a vote as early as tomorrow afternoon. today, they voted to elect to bypass that but rand paul rejected that. and now, a comment that has both parties reeling this afternoon. >> people here in town think that i'm making a huge mistake, and some of them secretly want to have an attack in the united states so they can blame it on me, and they want obe the first to point finger and say, yeah sure, we never should have given up on this program. >> wow. and nbc news capitol hill correspondent, you ran into rand paul at the capitol hill dinner, and what did you see? >> he believes that he has made a better statement, and he believes that it should be done
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better by an outside company, and he does not believe the tell conn companies should be be doing that and it should be more emphasis of those who are suspected of the terrorism. i asked him if he was running the campaign through the floor of the sent which many of the republicans have said that he has gone too far, and he disputed that, and he said that his sort of authenticity on the issue is well known and longstanding, and that is is a fair point, but what is difference as of now is that as a declared presidential candidate, he is able to use the rules of the senate to slow it down and the expiration, which he thinks is a major win, and also at the same final in the alternate universe of social media, he can put out the campaign supporters to raise money, and draw attention to the campaign. usualbly the senate business does not veer into pollitics to
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overtly, but he is a candidate and everything is going to be viewed through that the lenses. paul said he is the right thing, but many fellow republicans say he has gone so far. >> thank you for the report, kelly. and joining us from the other side of the membership is senator pat leahy, and you first propose edd the freedom act in 2013, and i wanted to talk about what happened in the senate, and did these provisions expire, because senator rand refused to call a vote? >> yes, they did expire and i argued it last year. if we wanted revisions, we should have done it then and a majority of the en is or thes wanted to, and it was back before christmas but then senator the mcconnell fillibuster filibustered it. and this one i said can't we get to it without go g toing to the very last second, and i wish
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that we had a filibuster again, and the changes of the house that worked out, and then senator lee and i worked out the bipartisan change, and so we ended up last night with nothing. i don't think that it is by anybody's interests, and we should come back and cool down and pass the bipartisan bill, because it has a number of improvements, and it stops the collection and the more transparency, and lit help what the secret fisa corp is doing, and allows what we a call the misa council, and anybody can come in to question anything that the fbi is doing. >> and the misa council is one of the courts that the fisa court is one of the courts in all of the united states has been doing what it wants to and you have wanted to have a more equitable freedom act.
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>> so in your view, sis this more in what needs to be fixed or is the start of more transformation? >> well, i hope that it gets it started, and those who are supposed to be writing herd, and those who are paying far more infor atin information. and i remember a conversation with the nsa and they said that you don't need the information, and i said, yes, unwill less you are a 28-year-old contractor named edward snow derngs and you just walk off with everything of it. and we never say to anybody in the home and take all of the data and the information and the files, and they said they cannot do that.
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and no more reason that you can be allowed to do that is because it is held electronically in a server somewhere else. >> and senator, you know that rand paul is very much in the forefront hoff tho and when you hold the forefront for a long period of time, and that maybe down the road, you wish that you had said it differently, and i don't know about this case,b but he said that referring to some of the colleagues and some of them secretly want to have an attack on the united states, and just the idea that any of them want to have an attack and to prove the point, and i love the reaction to what you said there. >> i am the longest serving member of the united states senate senate, and you say to the yourself, afterwards, why did they say that? i don't believe any senator, republicans or the senate would
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want and at attack on it, and we would not be here to serve and protect it, if anybody wanted an attack on this country. >> of course not. senator, before we go, i want to get your thoughts on the 2016 presidential contenders and your colleague from vermont, bernie sanders announced his campaign and you said that you are willing to back hillary clinton a and do you believe that the hillary clinton has better ideas than bernie sanders? >> i told hillary clinton two-and-a-half years ago thae i would supporter, and anybody who knows me knows that i will keep my word. but senator sanders and one of the things that he brings it to is that he has some things that should be said. have a debate. nobody has been hurt by having a debate on the issues.
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it is not something that he runs the negative attacks like we have heard from some on the other side, but he is raising the issues, and look at the crowds that he gathers, and people want to hear the issues. well let's hear them. i think that secretary clinton had a number of good responses on the issues and get them out. right now, the republicans in the house, especially, spending millions of taxpayer dollars trying tot attack her with investigations that go nowhere like benghazi, and the american people see through it, and now they want to know what the are the -- they want to the know what are the real issues and they want to know what the are the real answers. all right. thank you, senator patrick lay hi. now, let's bring in peter
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square a privacy lawyer at the georgia institute of texas nolg and the president of the president's essay on safety the, and did it keep us safe? >> well, the patriot act kept some telephone internet laws and it was published also in a panic after the september 11th laws. at the time we thought that section 215 was vague, and it turined into to a much broader pro program than the framers attended. >> you were on a advisory board of which many thought were a place to puts a side problems and study them but yet it is your board that helped to determine that the patriot act
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needed to after you came back to give a perspective to the kon verizon shall acts that needed to be fixed? do you feel that the boards needed to be fixed? >> yes, pretty much everything in the handbook is consistent with the reports that the five of us spoke. it was noon mouse, and anti-terror ism anti-terrorism, and i worked on the privacy, and from all of the perspectives, we said that we need to get rid of the bulk data collection collection, and we need to get rid of the fisa report, and all of it is kon sisconsistent with the report. >> and if the freedom act is passed in the senate, many people will be held by the tell conn company, and how does that work, and what is the difference here? >> well, it is not a surprise that the phone companies keep phone records. they do it for billing a and lot of the purposes of the business,
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but the secret database that nobody could know what is happening wit, and held for years on the enormous scale, and that type of database is being a problem, when it has a secret name "freedom." and when it is a court order by the judge which is the type of thing that that we vhave had with many fears, and we cannot go to the nsa to have it changed. >> we have more d.c. games here in d.c., and this is the "vanity fair" cover that is bruce jennifer who is acting with the "call me caitlyn" cover there. and coming up on the "cycle"
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when key portions of the patriot act expired last night, it was a real wake-up call for many in washington who considered it off limits to many reforms. it is the biggest challenge to spying since 9/11 and it only happened because the democrats worked with libertarian republicans, and why is mitch mcconnell and the republicans so angry? we go the glenn thrush. how are you? >> good to see you. >> good to see you. and you follow it closely and politics is not something that people in washington tend to
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forget about it, and so mitch mcconnell it seems must have come meetly miscalculated and i don't blame him in the mitt cal sense there has been a deadline the hawks have pushed up to them for them. and so, glenn, we did a lot of policy in the first block, and how did the deadline help the reformers and not the status quo hawks? >> well, great question. first of all, it is delicious having covered the saeblt during the years when mitch mcconnell was in opposition with president obama on everything. to see the two of them in al lobe in their own lifeboat here. the reason it worked is because of the pressure of the deadline, and unl like a budget dead line the pain would have been felt by the legislatures themselves, and they ron the right side of the public opinion in terms of the polls themselves, and a great deal of skepticism on the policy and moreover no proof on the administration and no
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single case has beened a advantaged by the pullk of the data, and the longer they waited the more the white house, and mitch mcconnell got. >> and speaking of the opposition, lindsey graham and rand pal wantsee eye to eye on the floor, there was a little fun with rand paul. >> this is a entered into a debate, and we have entered into the debate of whether or not the warrant has a single debate. >> yes, i am so over that. >> that is a great screen shot. >> well, today lindsey graham has also announced that he is running for president in his hometown of charleston south
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carolina, and people know him at all that he is hawkish, and saying the out landish thing, a and what is the pathway, because he is sitting on the quinnipiac poll that he is at 1%. >> and lindsey graham like myself he has no pathway to success. >> nice. [ laughter ] >> he is planning to do a "seinfeld" reference -- to date myself -- and he is playing a newman to jerry seinfeld, and he is is engineered candidate to oppose what is rand paul's, you know, deboning of the party on the national tv. >> and is rand paul cramer? >> well, i'm not go ging there, man. >> not too far down the rabbit hole. >> lily lily lily lily lily fortina
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perhaps -- oh no no, eileen i mean elaine. wow. well, i think that paul does bring these more interesting and substantive. >> and glenn, the dennis hastert story is trickling out, and he is goging to be arraigned later in chicago, and the reports are shocking, and sad, and folks, folks from the past are saying that they are mystified by the
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al gags, and what are the folks from the hill telling you? >> well, people are really in shock. hastert was the te di guy on the hill after newt gingrich and the various machinations after gingrich, and livingston and it is a real shocker to people, and not people who knew him casually, and there is a sense that dennis hastert, in that period of time, and look, he did not set the house on fire and he is not a guy with the massive policy legacy, but he was tom delay's right-hand guy and the inversion and sort of like dick cheney to george bush and he was to tom delay, so it is one tofof the stories on both sides of the aisle where the shock is palpable and honest. >> and a sad state of affairs. glenn thrush thank you. >> take care. >> we must extend the condolences to the vice president and his family over the weekend of the death of beau biden being struck down by brain
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kans ir. >> reporter: beau biden was in the family business, politics. he had planned to run for governor later in the year before the brain cancer came back. he was an iraq veteran, and lawyer and more imlrnt toy the biden clan a wife and two kids. he was also for us at msnbc a frequent guest to talk about the banks, economy, politics and how how to make our world a little better. and president obama visited the bidens saturday and issued this statement, i believe the best of every man wrote the poet william butler yates, and it is a good man who can swing the lantern higher and bowe -- beau biden
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state john kerry is headed back to the united states after his overseas trip was cut short after he crash eded his bike and broke his leg. he departed geneva this the afternoon. and we are going to sarah where the secretary of state is expected to arrive at boston hospital. >> well, step one is to get here, and step two is to setting the bone in the leg, and the secretary of state will undergo surgery this week, and then he plans an aggressive physical therapy plan and he does not want to the take time off of work, and he plans focused with
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the negotiations with iran. he has been busy since the accident taking phone calls from the numerous prime minister the, and arranging in a cop are frens to combat isis. he says that he is ap preeshpreciating the well wishers to return to back in the office. he is monitored by his doctor from here in massachusetts who flew over to europe yesterday to make the return trip with the secretary. he is expected to land later tonight. and once he is all healed and gets the okay from the doctor, he fully intends to get back on the bike and the spokesman says that the secretary is not one to sit still, abby for very long. >> yes, good news sarah, dollop
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outside of mass general hospital. and now meet caitlyn jennifer. this is a transfer of bruce jennifer into a woman. we have been watching it on television, and how it has all been happening is the chairman of "vanityfair.com. and thank you for coming in to join us at the table, and lee sha, so many of us have seen it play out with the diane sawyer interview, and this is the moment that we have been waiting to hear. and caitlin jenner how do we know how caitlyn came up with the name? >> we don't know how, but we will find out with the e! documentary. >> and what has the reaction been? >> well, it is hugely supportive, and the the family is tweeting out things and they
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support him, and the espy awards said that they are honoring him with the arthur ashe courage award, and so it is from all walks of life and people are saying, good-bye bruce, and hello caitlyn. >> and it is krin -- and it is done in such a grand way, and what do you think this is going to be for bruce and caitlyn? >> well, it is a huge moment for bruce, and it is a public dialogue, and discourse, and if you been on social media it is dominate, and we had a chance to talk about it. i thought that bruce's interview with diane was so courageous, and informative, and people learned about it, because people don't understand what it all means. they don't understand what is going on and why it took him 65
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years, but what they need to know is that it is an act of great courage. and many transgendered people suffer from what is called dysphoria where the body and the head don't match, and caitlyn now has to look at the magazine and feel incredibly beautiful and understand that the pain that she has gone through is worth it to have this moment of reality for herself, and it is great. >> and alicia howard is right about the courage involved in this but what bothers me about all of this is that it is ramping up to the show. and it is part of promoting the highlighting the show. >> i disagree with you. because it is a teachable moment. and it is not about ramping up the show. and caitlyn started a tweet. and this tweet says that it has
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been a long struggle and welcome to the world, caitlyn, and i can't wait for you to get to know me caitlyn. so i don't know but i don't believe this is about a reality show but caitlyn living the truth. >> i worked with chaz bono and when chaz went through his transition and people like bruce jenner and chaz bono don't have the luxury of doing it in private like a number of other people do, and unlike the criticism of the kardashians, and the interview, and the "vanity fair" is nothing that the bruce has paid for. this is a wonderful moment, and whatever happens. as we have both said america gets to understand a little bit more, and we get to take one of the heroes and understand that she is even more heroic. >> and we will be thoughtfully
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skeptical about the celebrity culture, because it does not always do a lot of good for a lot of people, but it seems in the commercial culture, if you are already out there, and a public person or a person whose business is in part the identity, then it is baked into the it. an and the question for, i want to get the name right, for caitlyn, and not bruce at this point, what do i want to go forward with my identity and make money off of it and i don't want to see anything wrong if there is money being made, if this the identity is the person she wants to be with. >> and yes, bruce jenner as part of the kardashian family has made money off of the brand. and what is wrong with that? and educating us along the side. >> and i know that interview with diane sawyert got 1.7
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million. and the interviewers with buzz williams said it is a teachable moments. don't look at me like that you vhave to use the good. >> if she had used the truth for a period of time, and then said i have to excuse america to my life, but it is a rushed, i a em going to be making a decision after 65 years, and then filming this. >> but it is not a rush though. >> and she also had two kids to raise, and it is far more complicated to that, and she wants to be a inspiration and spark debate about this. >> and it may not be a deliberate double standard, but if you are a straight musician and that is the identity of making the musician, and people say, oh you are being a straight thing that it is who you are. >> a it was not a rush, because bruce was thinking of
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transitioning years ago, and not what caitlyn said do it immediately, because she has a lot of making up to do and the van vanity fair talks to the kids, and look, as bruce was not the best father and the oldest son say ss that, and i can't wait to meet caitlyn, because i hope that this is a better person than bruce. >> and thank you is much more for being here. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, we look into the future of the technology that has rapidly become our reality next, and the dark side of the internet, and the supreme court decides in favor of the man convicted of threatening his wife on line. it has a few people talking nex next, including us.
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decision about a man who posted threats on facebook to his wife. in 1989 he posted reactions like this one, there are thousands of ways to love you, and thousands off ways to kill you. i will not rest until your face is soaked in blood and you are dying from all of the little cuts. when she got a restraining order, and put it in your pocket, because is it thick enough to stop a little bullet? he was arrested with the threats to injure someone else. he said that he was just joking and imitating explicit rapper eminem. and this morning, the justices sided with him, and said that the government cannot criticize the way it was given to a another person. he will get another trial. >> and now, introducing legislation to try to address
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online abuse this week and thank you for coming on, congresswoman. >> thank you, krystal. i wanted to start with your reaction today by the treem court. >> and this decision that came down today, i think that it is going to be getting the people talking about this problem, because right now, there are millions of women online conducting the personal and the professional years. unfortunately, this type of harassment and severe threats is something a that women deal with on a daily basis, and the legislation that i have proposed in the work i am doing is try to change this culture that this is acceptable was simply because it is online. so i think that the bill that we are going to be proposing, the case today, really underscores the need for that, and the need to really make sure that women have the ability to conduct the
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economic live ss online safely and without harassment. >> and congresswoman, let's talk more about what you are proposing here, and is it possible now in light of the de sigs decision by the supreme court to crack down on the online threats by your bill or by other means? >> i think that it is. we have this case focused on specific criminal intent and we have good laws on the books, and we have to step up the enforcement, and respond to the millions of complaints filed every year about harassment, and the severe threats online. so what we are proposing to do is to give the fbi more resources to focus in particular particularly on investigations of online harassment, and also to make sure that every u.s.
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attorney's office has an attorney assigned to the look into the cases and investigations, and prosecute those who warrant them. >> congresswoman, thank you for making this a priorityr, and as you have said it impacts so many women's lives and sometimes ruining them ending their lives in some traj theic cases, and it is such an important topic to be focused on. and you tweeted how important it was, and just in that even alone, you were trolled by people tweeting back ranging from the threats of bodily harm, and suggesting that you should drink bleach telling you to get back into the kitchen, and l-o-l, and please resign. rear some children and find the beckoning empty kitchen, and congresswoman, this is highlighting how you talk about what is an important issue, you are criticized. >> yes, and when you talk about women looking at career ss and
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technology, and speaking out about the feminist jobs, and we won't get involved, but pull back and so it is not only an issue of the personal safety but it about the economic power. we would not tolerate it if someone went to the office, and people were giving that woman hundreds of threats a day over her cubicle wall, and we should not toll the rate it online. >> that is right. great to have somebody from the common wealth of massachusetts, and welcome the you. and now, let's talk about the impact of this discrimination on women, because some folks at home might say that it is vitriol that is anonymous from folks who are maybe living in their mother's basement and why not brush it off of your shoulder? >> well, that is exactly the type of attitude that we are trying to change. and by taking this up, yes, i have received the threats online, but i know that i will have protections as a member of congress that really should be
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able to every woman who is trying to conduct business online. it is part of our lives. we had a judge say recently to one of the victims that we are working with, get off line. and she is a video game producer, and this is where she does her business and we have to make sure it is safe for e her. >> and as a pros kuecutor, it is not only online/offline issue, but it is in traditional enforcement to draw that line of harassment. and for a person who is not as versed as you, what is harassment, and the menacing conduct that the women should be on guard for and men should avoid? >> well, we are comfortable with the language of the violence against women act, and really, if you have a fear of bodily harm or death, and you know there are many ways that i can look at going back to crafting a law to get the right intend in
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response to the decision that came down today, but it is really about changing the culture, and we have good laws on the books. we have to make sure that the fbi, the department of justice is partnering with us, and with the local law enforcement. because what we are hearing overwhelming overwhelmingly from women who are experiencing, they are feeling like they are alone and they don't have a place to turn. >> absolutely, and we have to get some of the social media companies to crack down on the threats as well. thank you, catherine clark, we appreciate the time and the work today. >> thank you. and today, hundreds in d.c. gathered to say good-bye to the is a savopoulos family. they were beaten and stabbed before they were burned in the
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look at all of the amazing stuff that technology has given us recently google's driverless cars out on the road. and bionic limbs improving the
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lives of veterans, and drones delivering packages to us. cell phone batteries ta last all day long. okay. some things are clearly impossible. and the possibilities that lie ahead when science fiction becomes fact. that is the subject of the new book "tomorrowland" and that is the book that is not to be confused with the george clooney movie, and we will talk about that another day, but what we are here to do is to talk about your book about the evolution of the future, and talk about your book about how technology is shaping the future. >> well, we have seen the evolution speeding up, and light spans of the last 200 years quadruple, and our body side thick thicker, and these are biological inputs, and if you track them forward and people are saying hey, we are waiting
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to the point where we may not be fracturing the species, and maybe the end of homo sapien and coming into whatever is next. >> you write about the future of a bionic man, and what does that entail? >> well, you know, it is is interesting, because in "tomorrowland " "tomorrowland", there the world's first bionic soldier, a and he has a real bionic ankle, and we are sending the the soldiers back to duty in iraq with bionic limbs, but it is so fast of that and now 50% of the body is replaceable with bionic parts, and so you kcan paralyze people, and quadraplegic, and they can remove their bionic limbs with their mind. and i know when i was a youngster the "$6 million man" was my fantasy.
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>> and there was a section that all of us had to the opportunity to fight over, and we were so intrigued about, us about that. >> it's an interesting question. you know i take a look at dr. rothman in the book. he went into cryo banking, but he single handedly became the most powerful man in his industry. the way his company goes so goes the industry. it's an interestingly controlled industry. there's all kinds of controversy surrounding it and we're taking more and more and more control of the future of birth. and everybody's big fear is oh, my god, we're going to end up in some world with perfect little arian children. if you start talking to the experts who at the front line they're like human creativity is endlessly fascinating and varied. yes, we're going to totally take
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control of our genetics and what's coming next but it's not going to look like a master ace. it's going to look as diverse as human creativity looks today. >> wow. i don't even know how to digest that. speaking of life whenever we talk about, you know advancements in technology we think about the medical world. and i think most of us want to live longer if we possibly can. what impact does this have on lifelonger term, and does living longer necessarily mean leaving a healthier, happier life? >> those are really interesting questions and i think they're important questions. in the book i kind of peek back at the birth of the so-called life extension movement when it was sort of a fringe pursuit. which wasn't all that -- you know, 15 years ago, it was a very fringe pursuit. ten years ago, it was still a fringe pursuit. now we've got google going after life extension. major companies, three or four or five major companies and a ton of smaller practitioners. so this is obviously coming.
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does it mean we get to live forever? perhaps not. but does it mean that we're going to add ten, 20, 30 years in and extend it out? it does. and obviously this has massive consequences for society. if you combine kind of bionics or something of the exoskeleton strap-on bionics that is going to allow older people to move as they get older, will no longer lose limbs as they age, coupled with what we can do internally. if we're going to start really extending it out -- and this has big huge metaphysical consequences. what do we do with the retirement age? what do we do when the boomer generation lives into they've 90s. and are they going to work what are we going to do there. >> we can barely figure that out as it is. >> thank you very much. up next my thoughts on the legacy of beau biden.
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one of beau biden's first memories was of being in the hospital after a car accident that killed his mother and his year-old sister and left beau and his brother hunter with significant injuries just before the age of 4. his father was then a 29-year-old senator elect who dedicated his life to being the best father he could. joe's greatest legacy is his children including beau a man who served in iraq and served as delaware's attorney general, a man who declined to run for his father's senate seat because he wanted to stay in the attorney general's office because he wanted to see through a child abuse case against a pediatrician who assaulted dozens. that's who beau was, a man who
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fought against child sex abuse and bullying and fought for universal background checks. he was the sort of politician who fought to give voice to the voiceless. the sort of politician who seemed to really care. a man who was dedicated to service. the sort of man you'd want in your family or at least on your side. the sort of man many thought was a bright part of the next generation of political leaders. the president said beau was a good big-hearted, devoutly catholic and deeply faithful man who made a difference in the lives of all he touched. beau lived a life that was full a life that mattered indeed. his friends say he was a devoted father who never missed one of his kids' games. apparently the apple did not fall far from the tree. the democratic national convention, he spoke of that car crash that shaped his life. >> in 1972, shortly after his improbable victory, but before he took the oath of office my father went to washington to look at his new office space.
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my mom took us to go by a christmas tree. on the way home we were in an automobile accident. my mom amelia and my sister naomi were killed. my brother hunter and i were seriously injured and hospitalized for weeks. i was just short of 4 years old. one of my earliest memories was being in that hospital. my dad always at our side. we, my brother and i, not the senate, were all that he cared about. he decided not to take the oath of office. he said then delaware can get another senator, but my boys can't get another father. >> they say the most painful thing in life is to bury your child. and the vice president has endured more pain and grief than anyone should ever have to. and they say the pain of losing someone close to you never really goes away. you just make some sort of peace with it. we think of joe as a happy guy the life of the party, he's always ready with a huge pearly smile, who loves to swear people
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in. but like those of us who have lost someone close, joe has a deep seated pain in his heart. >> there will come a day, i promise you, and you parents as well, when the thought of your son or daughter or your husband or wife brings a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eye. it will happen. >> in that speech joe said part of the reason was because he needed to be home for his boys beau and hunter. they needed him. but he says he also needed them. he said they did more for him to help heal him than he did for them. now one of the boys who helped him heal is gone. beau lived an extraordinary life and he will be missed. that does it for "the cycle." now with alex wagner starts now.
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>> lindsey graham becomes the ninth republican to declare a 2016 bid. secretary john kerry is flying back to boston after suffering a major injury in europe. and caitlyn jenner introduces herself to the world. but first, did rand paul just hold a campaign rally on the senate floor? it's monday june 1st and this is "now." >> are we so frightened that we're willing to give up our freedoms? >> time has run out on key national security agency powers. >> no one knows what danger will come. >> in a sense, it's frightening. >> senator rand paul led the charge. >> are we willing to trade liberty for security? >> we shouldn't be disarming unilaterally. >> this really did bear open the huge schism in the republican party. >> some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack in the united states so they can blam