well, that's one he wayway of looking at it. there was a great band and they said, hey, bernie why don't you join us. big mistake. >> let's hear real quick and you tell us if you think this is a big mistake. ♪ ♪ as i went walking that ribbon

of highway, i saw before me that endless skyway ♪ ♪ i saw below me -- >> i almost feel like you should say vote for me or i'll put out another album. >> oh, that's cold. >> i like him. >> it had kind of a reggae beat behind it. >> some of the best -- little known fact here actually. bob marley from jamaica, but born in burlington. lived there until fourth grade. >> okay. good morning, everyone. welcome to "morning joe." >> you would think they would at least have a monument to him. tom brokaw who is better. >> i think his wife is amazing. >> she is. mary is fantastic.

yeah we were up last night at tom's event talking about his life. he's talked about the greatest generation. time to talk about one of the greatest reporters and journalists. 50 years of nbc. >> i didn't realize that until at. >> i kind of stepped back and took a breath. >> next year a half century. >> he has been without the funny accent, he's been sort of the forest gump. he has always been in extraordinary places. wsb in atlanta at the start of the civil rights movement, really right in the heart of the civil rights movement. then he went out to l.a. and he covered the rise of ronald reagan. and all the tumult in california. >> watergate at the white house. he's been there every step of the way. >> for so many reasons, great to be able to celebrate with him. let's get to the news. big changes are under way at the tsa after a series of stunning security failures.

the acting administrator has been reassigned after agents at dozens of the nation's busiest airports failed almost every single undercover breach test. here is tom costello with more. >> reporter: the tests were conducted by homeland security red teams, charged with probing tsa checkpoints nationwide. nbc news has confirmed tsa screening officers failed to detect smuggled weapons in 67 out of 70 attempts. a 95% failure rate. in one case an alarm sounded, but even during a pat time the screening officer failed to detect a fake plastic explosive taped to an undercover agent's back. the former chief calls the undercover red teams super terrorists because they know the tsa's weaknesses going in. >> plus they have the benefit of being able to construct device in a lab, they're not out in the desert some place. >> homeland security director is

jeh johnson also immediately ordered new airport security procedures following the investigation. >> a couple things. first of all, i think we will -- it will take longer time to go through the tsa lines. >> it will be fun. >> you can count on that. >> yeah. secondly, i just wondered i've read stories over the past ten years that we just don't invest enough. i'm the first guy to say -- first gay to say it's not always about the money. but in this case you look at some of the tsa agents there are some really really between ones, but also some that don't seem to be quite as effective. and i've heard that they don't pay the people who are on the front line of defense against terrorism enough money to get the best and brightest. >> i think that's probably true although there have been hundreds of millions poured into buying new government that was supposed to plug some of the holes that they found in the first years after 9/11. and obviously that hasn't worked out. i think what the tsa would say

is these check points are just one piece of the puzzle that they use. they have dogs and people watching. but it is depressing when you think about how our lives have changed at airports and trains and everywhere else over the last 15 years. and standing in long lines, taking your shoes off and everything else that this still 14 years after 9/11 is the outcome that 95% of the weapons get through. >> a 95% fail rate. >> that's a bad day. >> that's sort of me taking a chemistry test in high school. >> i'm sure it was hard though in fairness. >> it was. and you really weren't supposed to buy a guitar with the money your parents gave you for books. i did that my junior and seen aror year. can i borrow your book, can i borrow your book? didn't have a book for high last two years p. >> makes it hard. >> are wrwe're good student? >> i was good enough.

i wasn't top of my crassqulas. >> i struggled. >> as your mother would say, she was a difficult student. >> she still calls me that right now. to 2016. the republican candidates are going to disney world. jeb bush, marco rubio, scott walker and more will speak today in florida at governor rick scott's economic summit. and there is a new official candidate this morning with a laser like focus on national security. senator lindsey graham announced his campaign for president on monday calling out opponents on both sides of the aisle and putting a strong defense front and center in his appeals. >> i've got one simple message. i have more experience with our national security than any other candidate in this race. that includes you, hillary.

those who believe we can disengage from the world at large and be safe by leading from behind, vote for someone else. those who believe the best way to defend ourselves is to lead the world, to make history rather than be overwhelmed by it, i ask for your support. >> so you can say he's the anti-rand paul. graham brings the total number of official republican candidates to nine with double digits expected by thursday when former texas governor rick perry higly likely announces. >> we'll have him later this week. >> and as for a candidate who claims he is not in yet, although he is but he's not, so he collude -- >> "new york times" reports jeb bush is not inheriting the network of his brother's support. only 25 said they were supporting the former florida governor. meanwhile hillary clinton says she's going to hold the first rally of her campaign at new

york city's for freedom park named for president roosevelt's for freedom address. she's on which cited eleanor roosevelt as a role model. clinton's kickoff takes place next saturday and take park is accessible by tram subway. so that will be fun. >> that will be something. that will be interesting to see what she puts on the table. >> so what do you think about lindsey? >> we've talked a lot about how there is not a lot of strong foreign policy voice in the republican field. you have governors, you have some young senators. there are some obviously rick santorum has some experience. john kasich if he gets in. but lindsey graham will make foreign policy his issue. he'll talk about isis being the biggest threat to the yun and i think he'll highlight the fact that he's the bon with the most experience. whether are or not you like his experience is another question. but he's got it. >> but, yeah he's been working

on capitol hill for 20 years in congress, in the house and u.s. senate. an he knows foreign policy. and i think having lindsey in as well as rand will be good for the party. it will be a great debate. there is a split right now what the republican party believes the u.s. government's role in the world should be. we will hear that debate. >> so he'll at least be able to churn up a conversation. >> i think it will be a fascinating debate. and i think it will be important for the party. >> an effort to get senator elizabeth warren to run for president says it will take one last plea to the massachusetts democrat on monday a joint venture by moveon.org political action and democracy for america say they will deliver over 350,000 petitions asking her to run. and then they will suspend that i ever operations. in december, they announced a commitment to spend at least $1.25 million in convincing her

to challenge hillary clinton. wash has said repeatedly that she is not running. and i don't think she is. does anyone here think she is? they need to give up. >> are you ready to give up? >> yeah, but don't you think like lindsey and all these others, it would be really great if she joined the conversation? i don't think she's as far to one side as someone like lindsey graham, but i think she brings up important legitimate points. and the it would be a shame not to have her in the conversation. >> well, she should be in the conversation. it would be great to have her in the race. i will say, though she is further left than lindsey is. >> how. where? on what? >> if you just look at their voting patterns. behind

lindsey is foreign policy, she's a bit more to the right. she's a bit more left. >> not far left. she's just trying to make sure that actually things that people talk about in their sum speeches happen. >> you're saying lindsey is an extremist because he's a conservative. >> he wants to bomb everybody. interest lendindsay oig is a moderate for the most part. >> elizabeth warren may not be in the race and probably won't join the race, but don't you feel like her impact has already been felt? the message she's been pushing for the last three, four, five year, you hear snippets of it from hillary clinton every time she gets on the stump. she talks about wage stagnation inequality those were themes not brnorn outs but certainly pushed on to the national stage with warren. >> what i worry about with hillary clinton is that it's sgraet for great for her to touch on those themes and mimic elizabeth warren and sort of gather into what people tap into, but will

she do it. what about her experience and her connections and the way she sort of operated what is the proof that she will stand up for the middle class and are poorer americans who are really struggling right now raising the minimum wage in places that hasn't seen it enough. i don't know. i don't know. i'd like to -- >> and i can't believe i'm saying this. i think she'll get there. i did. i'm pretty confident -- >> she can say it but will she be able to do it. >> yeah i think so. >> on what basis is that answer coming out of your mouth? >> because she's running in a democratic primary. and if she wants to win the democratic primary and gfrn likeovern like a democrat -- >> aboutbut will she do it. >> bill clinton was far more moderate than most democrats around him, but the democratic base would take those eight years again. so is he going to -- is she

going to be a flaming left wing liberal? no she's not. but i think she'll be sort of a mainstream democrat. i think what is interesting is bill clinton moved the democratic party to the center. and he made bill clinton matt democratic party relevant again in national politics. but democrats had the white house five out of the last six times. so they saw that as their pathway to success. and since he left office, democrats as a party have moved farther left bit by bit. they are far more progressive party today at the core than they were back when bill clinton was president. and so, yeah hillary may not be where they are, but i think she holds the middle she'll have a much better chance of winning a general election. but she'll be a traditional democrat. >> you're skeptical, mika. >> what does that mean?

does that mean she'll stand up to wall street and make sure banks are not too big to fail and -- because i haven't seen that. >> i don't think she'll stand up to wall street any more than her husband stood up to wall street. her husband didn't stand up to wall street. >> so the answer is ultimately no. we literally come back to my question and the answer is maybe no. >> there is also the argument that that might be a pretty good thing that she's not going to go to wall with wall street like elizabeth warren or going around raising taxes. you want to see an example of what happens when you have a legislature and executive at war with businesses? just look to my home state and where you're from connecticut. an absolute nightmare what has been going on up there. i don't know if you heard about this. they raised massive taxes a couple years ago. and it's one of the worst tax states in the country for business. and now they're coming back asking for another tax rate and

general electric iconic business, general electric aetna and travelers have all said they're thinking about leaving the state. when you first started going there, connecticut was the most thriving -- i mean it was an economic -- >> i was covering it -- >> it was an electric making neither. magnet. lowell walker decided he was going to implement a state income tax. and from that point forward with a lot of republican governors by the way, connecticut's economy has gotten worse, a lot of us predicted and i've been talking about his tax for year. you can trace their economic stagnation back to 1991. and now they're talking about even more taxes on -- i think it's ranked 50th for the worst business climate. >> i have stood in front of more companies include i think it was like saab in orange connecticut

withholding a microphone saying they are leaving and going to the south or wherever. >> do you know 50% of connecticut residents in a poll over the past year said that they would leave the state if they could? 50%. but they can't sell their house. because nobody's coming in because they keep raising taxes. the business environment is worse than it's ever been. so why would you move your business to connecticut? i moved to connecticut because i love connecticut and my children love connecticut and my dogs. we love the state. and i think -- i've lived a gazillion places, but i think that's where i'll be the rest of my life. >> three companies coming out

publicly against this dannel malloy will have to slam on the breaks and say $700 million of new corporate taxes, and gm usually doesn't speak publicly about tax issue, so this is new for them to come out and say this is absolutely unacceptable we have to start looking at other options dan emmale other options dan emmale malloy and the lenlsz lays chur -- >> they're looking at raising the cigarette tax, which that was a big issue when i was covering the news in connecticut years ago. not sure what this has to do with hillary clinton protecting the middle class but it's a big story. >> what i'm telling you is you actually have a legislature up there and a governor who has decided they will go after the big corporations. it's a tax that they want to put on people who establish their corporate headquarters in connecticut. now, every other state in america will give tax incentives for people to establish -- i can

tell you, jeff immelt if you want to move gm to pensacola, florida, 0% taxes, state income taxes, and in south carolina they will actually give you tax cuts. don't do it. stay where you are. i don't think they will raise the taxes. but it is pure insanity. and this is really at the heart of the economic debate that we have had for years. >> i know but we don't -- i'm not sure i mean i think someone who -- a politician in charge a leader in charge can make deals on tax breaks and incentives, in exchange for treating your workers better. i think that could happen. but you need a candidate who is actually willing to not just say it, do it. and not be so cozy with those big companies that you can't. i don't know who that is yet. i really don't. it was elizabeth warren. >> well, no i think liz weatherelizabethlizelizabeth

may be too hostile to businesses. >> maybe. >> that was my point. what you don't want happening across america what is happening in connecticut. >> i understand what you mean by too hostile and i'm not sure that's what she is. but i understand that concern. just tell me who is not too cozy. name one who is not too cozy, who you're sure will be fair p. >> bernie sanders. i'll get you the sticker. all right. let's go. coming up on "morning joe," two p of the republican candidates for president, first joe's conversation with mike huckabee and former governor george pataki joins the set. later this week we'll talk with behind zir lindsey graham and rick perry. but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> it's like winter. >> dud, it's june. >> i'm wearing snow pants. >> for people not in the city it's -- i was out walking. took a couple pictures because we were going to defeat them.tweet

them. the fog was coming in everybody was shivering. >> like navy s.e.a.l. training in the pacific ocean. not fun. let's show you, i have lee things. a couple of areas. first of all, you look and say what am i staring at. time lapse video from south today come he take. this is a super cell thorm that sat over the open plains. you can see in a time lapse how it spins and rotates and sucks in the warm humid air from below. didn't produce any tornados but almost looks like a ufo. secondly you how the lightning strike captured from a police dashboard camera. boom. see the smoke trail on that one. actually took a chunk of concrete off the edge of the bridge. close call for that police cruiser. and finally, downpours were all in the northeast and mid atlantic yesterday. and this is the capital. flooding -- capitol hill even. hallway there about 2 to 3 inches of water. that is in the past it's all cleaned up and things are improving. so thorn as joe mentioned, the

rain continues in the northeast. ugly morning. jacket, maybe especially boston portland. it's a cold rain. the temperatures 46. that's not even including the windchill this makes it feel like the low 40s. even philadelphia you're in the low 50s. so this is probably one of the coldest days we'll have until the late fall. in the northern plains watch out for severe storms later today. maybe even a few more additional strong storms tornados are possible late today through the dakotas. and how about a nice beautiful dry forecast for all of our friends that desperately needed this dry period. oklahoma city to dallas, san antonio, in the next five days, my computers are telling me zero if any rainfall in this area. so we had the driest warmest may of in the northeast, now it's freezing and chilly as we go in to june and the middle of the country has flip-flopped also. the wild weather appearance continue.

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people here in town think i'm making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. i think sometimes in the heat of battle hyperbole can get the better of anyone and that may be the problem there. the point i was trying to make is that i think people do -- i think sometimes going after people's motives and impugning people's motives is a mistake. in the heat of battle -- >> on so are you standing by it or not? >> i think by calling it high hyperbole, it means and i may

well have exaggerateded the case. >> let's move on. >> that was rand paul taking some of his comments back. joining us now former communications director for president george w. bush and co-host of "the view," nicolle wallace. and in washington writer for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart. good to have you both. >> nicolle, you came onset and we were talking about connecticut because you live in connecticut, too. >> i love the state and i'm sorry about elizabeth, i can tell how upset you are. she is an extremist. and the notion that she will -- the notion that you would run for president of the united states of america on a kill the economy message is -- i'm fwlab flabbergast that had anyone is attracted to that. i have lived in connecticut since 2009. her message about shutting down wall street she's basically the maven of the occupy wall street sent chlt.

>> she's not running, so -- >> but you seem very disappointed by that. that's surprising to me -- >> i never thought she was going to run. >> i don't think she could ever be elected in this country which is based on opportunity and growing the pie, not cutting it up and punishing others. and i think the notion in a that she has support and that supporters are disappoint that had there won't be someone who can beat the you no what out of wall street feels to me like everything this country was not about. so i'm surprised that -- and you think hillary clinton complaint be a champion for the middle class is a staggering indictment. >> that's not what i said either. i said i don't know. >> or it's a question mark. >> if she can tap into elizabeth warren's message, which you've seen her doing -- >> but you said if she can mimic the message. that's a stunning sort of assessment. i'm excited, all i'm saying is i listened to first 20 mintz wills. i'm so excited to be on my side because i think republicans have

continue aunt to champion economic opportunity in a way that they haven't before. i think chris christie's opportunity about -- message about opportunity and equality is the right message. i wish more of the guys in our field and women would take that on. sfwr >> let's talk about connecticut. >> since i've moved there, my plumbing company, it was a small business, they have gone out of business. my electrician has gone out of business. my guys that like mortar people that lay stones, they have gone out of business. small businesses in connecticut are fleeing. and i'm a homeowner, i'm not a business owner, but it's impossible to find people that want to locate their business and pay the health care and pay the state's taxes. small businesses employ the vast majority of people that are sort of underemployed in country and the debates about wall street miss the point about how people find employment and feed their families and have which i caneconomic security. >> and the most shocking thing is connect cut throughout most of its history has been an

economic engine. >> yeah. >> it's been the provision state. they were the state that all the insurance companies went there they were very conservative with their money, they saved a lot of money. >> hartford storefronts were images of the great american businesses. and it isn't anymore. >> and for 20 years there has been a decline that started -- >> a couple of republican governors along the way. >> i'm saying local wyk event r, republican governor, he started the state income tax. connecticut used to be a tax haven where people would flood to go up and live. and that was just 20 years ago. and that's why they had all of that extra money, tax money for schools and roads. and now you know it's just withered up. republicans as well as democrats have been taxing taxing taxing, taxing, taxing for 20 years.

>> and you were talking about south carolina and florida. i was just on the gulf coast of florida, god's country, and there are new businesses and there is new construction and there is economic growth. and so you look at these states where republicans are sort of rising, it is in part because they can take an economic message about how to add jobs to a national stage. >> they have the at to steal it right now. >> yeah. >> you also go to a laysplace like south carolina and you see boeing, the opposite of what you see in detroit where there are all these empty lots. south carolina, you have bmw and boeing. like as we say in the south, a country mile and there is nothing but cars of workers out going to these plants. i'm telling you, connecticut, rhode island some other new england states need to look south and figure out what is working. >> so i need to say something and then i'll throw to jonathan capehart. my question was can hillary clinton not just say the words but own the message. that's all i'm asking.

i don't know. and i think -- >> jonathan capehart just said yes. >> if i can get to him, jop than, can you please tell me what she needs to do to actually prove that? >> hook what you have to do is pay attention to what she's done over her entire public life. people forget that before she was first lady of the united states senator from new york, secretary of state candidate for president in 2008 democratic nomination, she was on the board of the children's defense fund. everything that she's done in her -- >> that's not the what i'm asking. that's not an answer. >> what i'm trying to get to is the idea that hillary clinton doesn't have in her bones the understanding of the problems of not just the middle class but the working class and the poor the things that they need to have in order for them to climb

the hadder of opportunity that everybody, democrat and republican wants in this country, i think since -- just because she's become -- she and her husband have become wildly rich does not mean they have for gotten -- i should say she because she's running for president, that she's forgotten what motivated her to get in to public service and what motivated her to run for president, not just once but twice. i don't see how you don't see -- >> it's not that i don't see. >> why can't you see that mika? >> children's defense fund sort of falls flat. i'll give you another chance. how does she prove that she's not too tied in with all these interests and wall street and major sources of financial gain that she can operate in a way that forces them to treat people fairly when they're not doing the right thing? where is that proof? >> well, mika, on june 13th

secretary clinton is going to give her big launching speech. and then after that we have to hear from her specific ideas -- >> that's what i'm saying. >> we haven't got to that point yet, mika. so once we go through the campaign and we are able to ask her questions and put the screws to her to find out whether these ideas are serious, whether they're practical, whether they're pragmatic, then we'll be able better to answer the question that you have. i'm not saying that your question isn't that jit matt i'm saying we're still early in the process. we don't even know what her program is. >> jonathan, let me ask you this question. okay? why does mika hate when loving would be so much easier? >> can i say -- >> that's the question we ask every day. what is this anti-hillary thing. >> people are exasperated with hillary clinton because she's refusing to get specific. i hear first

democrat that i've met that actually cares. everybody else just thinks she's going to win and so they're happy. have you heard democrats -- come on. >> yes, people are frustrated. people think she's shooting herself in the foot by not taking questions and not distancing herself from the clinton foundation. >> coming up why the biggest challenge facing jeb bush -- maybe i'd like her to win that's why i want to hear it -- is entirely of his own make. new york magazine explains. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out

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when all is sudden and done -- >> because i believe i can't get nominated because of my views on gay marriage. i'm in favor of gay rights in favor of gay marriage. i see it as an issue of equality. i'm pro-choice. i'm anti-abortion personally but i'm pro-choice. and i'm pro immigrant and haven't backed down from it. >> all right. >> 38 past the hour. joining us for the must read opinion pages, editor at new york magazine jennifer senior. her new story is a profile of jeb bush and how he is not the bush you think he is. interesting. so what level is he not the bush you think he is? >> i want to just say, editors come up with all sorts of whacky headlines. what i mean is, first of all let's start with this.

he can start a sentence and you have faith that he will not get tangled up in some kind of grammatical rope. he's a grind. he works really, really hard. he's extremely studious. he likes saying he's a grinder, which i find sort of endearing. he's super, super -- >> i worked for him. he is. >> he's a really entheseusiastic -- >> if i hadn't returned all high press calls by the end of the day, he would do them and tell me i handled it. >> he must have been unhandleable from your perspective. >> i wanted to ask you what was your sense of sort of who is running jeb bush's campaign? >> jeb. i thought that that week long kind of whifling whifling sequence -- why are you grinning?

>> jeb runs everything. nicolle would tell you this he would have a very very smart and gifted cabinet around him. and i would talk to every one of them that all said the same thing. going to cabinet meetings were a nightmare because it didn't matter how smart they were and how prepared they were there was always going to be one guy in the room that knew more than them and so they better bring their "a" game because jeb would go what about medicaid reimbursement for wheelchairs in central florida. it was insane. talk about a grinder. >> and somebody in my piece, one of the state legislatures, he said to me -- he's always read one more book than you. this is the problem. he'll sit there and bends your ear until he thinks he's persuaded you. >> and by the way, as you know being around politicians and others, some people are that way to try to impress you. jeb is not. >> no. >> and i'm just saying jeb is a brilliant guy that just -- he

takes in information and can put it out. he has what you call a processor. his processor is better than anyone's i've ever met. you feed the information in and he knows when to put it out. it's not to impress people. and that's one of his problems. >> i was just going to say, it doesn't translate on the campaign trail. >> he doesn't say about impressing anybody. >> and it won't lend itself to soaring rhetoric. when he keeps talking about high sustained economic fwloetgrowth he mean it is. he will walk audiences through math exercises. he'll think nothing of looking at an audience and go rhettlet me give you this quick math drill. >> willie he's kind of a nerd. >> i like a nerd. i do. >> i think that if it were he and hillary, it would at least be a conversation about

something, right? very unscintillating, really earnest policy focused people. it's not a bad prospect. just going to toss that out there. >> jeb famously said he would have to ask himself when deciding whether or not to run can i do it joyfully. am i going to enjoy this process. do you get the sense as to far that he's enjoying it? >> i think that is the only false note in this campaign. there is nothing joyful about him. he's so serious and his taughtface is on taut. he moves through the world as if he's been released from a slingshot. but i think he's real. >> aren't you -- when you were explaining the headline aren't you basically saying -- you explained the headline by saying he can finish a sentence. unlike his brother? >> well, no. i didn't write that headline but what i would tell you, there is a super -- look, his brother took a lot of vacations famously.

right? jeb -- >> well, he worked out of texas. so i wouldn't call them a vacation. >> well, hold on a second. when george w. was governor, his schedule included like an hour playing video golf. he played video golf. you tell me if jeb bush -- >> barack obama plays real golf. >> we're talking about comparing jeb and george. there is no comparison. >> i mean he's got a standing desk, right? i mean cease on -- he tells everybody he takes one week of vacation and at first you're like, yeah sure and then you realize, oh, my god, yeah he does. like i can totally see that. i just think he's -- and he's an enthusiastic technocrat. he'll cite subsections. he knows his politics. >> soo it's not a knock -- none of us here are knocking george w. i knew jeb very well and worked

with jeb. and the first time i met george w., he came up to me, congress in an -- everybody that meets george w. will tell you, he's the most personable, likeable guy. jeb is a little distant. he's a little removed. and so what i'm saying -- >> george is a dog and he's a cat. >> you said it. but they have their different strengths an different weaknesses. not saying one is better than the other, but -- anybody saying jeb is george is radically off base. >> isn't everything you just laid out, though rbts these good things to be smart and have command of the issues? >> i was surprisingly -- yeah yes. absolutely. i mean i found myself feeling surprising affection for him as a democrat who agrees with actually nothing he says. his business deals and things like that that look like they

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jobs. making up for income wage earners to pay their fair share is great in my book. i guess the difference between the weak nweekend on the yacht and regular trip to the grocery store, they can take the weekend off the yacht. that sort of mindset. so i guess they're talking about your brick layer and your plumber that has left the state. no, they haven't taken a weekend off the yacht. they have moved out of connecticut. and this is the stewstupid mindset that has state connecticut back. stunning. >> we'll have to get some of the beg player big players on this. joining us now jason matthews. literally as you walked to the set, nicolle said let's talk about sex-pionage. >> so take it away. >> i'll explain to everyone so i don't sound like a perv what sparrow training -- well, someone has to, right? it's early.

can you explain the spy tactics of your heroin and why she needs them? >> sure. in the '60s and 70s daits'70s and '80s in the soviet union, there was a sparrow school. >> that's real? >> that is absolutely real. they taught women the art of sexual entrapment. and elist tags and recruitment techniques. >> that must be like fail-proof. >> well, yeah. >> a man. >> exactly. yes. but they also had male counterparts called ravens. >> excuse me. >> really. i can't imagine they were quite as successful. >> well, you should have seen willie. no you really should have. we had some st. petersburg nights in the early '70s. >> now my cover is blown. >> well, i figured, you know -- >> no the book is so good. and she's an incredible heroin. i want to know how you thought

of her. i know your wife was -- you were in the cia. your wife was in the cia for 30 years. and you did not get out and play golf, you wrote these incredible novels. this is the second. why? >> i met my wife on the job. we were called tandem couple. and during the good old days of the cold war, in their chauvinism, the east block types never assumed that spouses would come do anything operational, all they did was go shopping and push the baby carriage. so i would lead surveillance across the city park and my would i could come back from the book night check her status then do the operational act. they never knew what hit them. >> what was it like being inside the soviet union in those cold war days? obviously it's so different thousand. what was it like then? >> i never served inside russia. >> never inside. >> no. >> but your experience is

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making upper income wage earners pay their fair share is great. i think the difference between a weekend on the yacht and regular trip on the grocery store, they can take a weekend off the yacht. if you have any questions as to why connecticut is collapsing and why it has collapsed for the last 20 years economically despite the fact it has some of the best schools in america, and has long been one of the greatest economic engines for the united states of america on the east coast, look no further than the words of a guy that is elected house majority leader playing this this sort of third grade stupid populist. >> and you can see it in the city's airports. you go to the hartford airport, it's empty. there are no business traveler there is. cao he to the airport in austin, texas or anywhere in florida, and those airports are bursting with business travelers. you can tell where a city and a

state have run out the businesses. >> and willie it's not just north/south. compare connecticut, a new england state, with new hampshire, a new england state. high tech has moved into new hampshire. the economy has grown in new hampshire. unemployment has been low in new hampshire historically over the past it ten yearten years. and actually -- this is unbelievable -- democrats in connecticut have actually talked about tax increases on computer services. so instead of encouraging i.t. which has sort of helped drive new hampshire's explosion, they want to tax i.t. and computer services. insanity. >> for all the reasons you say connecticut should be a hub of business, which is remains now until one of these companies leaves which i think is still unlikely, but schools are great, it's a beautiful place, there is

a large concentration much wealth at the top. there is disparity of course. but the tax climate there is such that you will see big problems very soon. >> chasing companies to the south and other state. >> and west. nevada or new mexico. >> just pointing out there have been some republican governors involved in this process. >> jody rell left malloy with a horrific horrific deficit. terrific debt. so no republicans, there have been republicans -- the problem started with a republican mr. do gooder who skied he was going bring a personal income tax to connecticut. and basically tell everybody, hey, listen, you know you don't have to come up here with all your money and all your businesses. we're going to tax like rhode island. and look what happened. >> all right. we'll have more on this. we'll try to book around it

maybe bring some of the players from connecticut here. i'm looking at video of tax protests. >> the hair was teased out. >> new polling show he hillary clinton's numbers 34ru78 eithering. since march, clinton's favor ability rating dropped 7 percentage points to 46%. honest and trustworthy, a drop of 8 points this spring. polls also show clinton is running about even with rand paul, scott walker and marco rubio in the head to head match-ups.ays she will hold the first rally of her campaign at new york city's for freedom park, the park is named for president roosevelt's 4 freedoms address in 1941. the former first lady has often cited eleanor roosevelt as a role model. krin top's kickoff takes place next saturday at the park.

accessible by tram and subway only. so low gisity cal setup should be fantastic. >> supporters don't seem to be concerned and hillary's team didn't seem to be concerned either. do you have any concern about these numbers? >> it's still early. yes, i do have concern because anytime your trustworthiness in thats newspapersup in numbers and favorability numbers go down, it's not good. one thing she has going for her, it's still early. we're 17 months out from the general election. poll numbers are just a snapshot in time. they bounce up and down. it will be a problem if the bounce didn't go back up. >> so jeremy peters when you look at her approval rating let's put that back up and then we'll go with cares about people like you, i did not realize that will poll had her upside down. never thought i would actually see that. first, is she honest and

trustworthy, 52% say yes, 57% say no. that is 15 points. and then on the favorability/unfavorability question, she's actually upside down on that as well. 46 favorable opinion of her, 50% have unfavorable position. those numbers are, well, they're almost republicanlike jeremy. >> actually, if you look at the republican numbers, there are so many republicans in the field right now americans just don't know all that much about. so they're actually at something of an advantage there because people like marco rubio, scott walker, they're able now to go out and sell themselves sell the american people a certain image of themselves. and hillary clinton is just not able to do that. i would also say that one of the other things that is really troubling for hillary is the enthusiasm inside the democratic party. i think that's why you've seen this energy around bernie sanders' candidacy, this interest, you know this martin

o'malley. and when you talk to democrats, there is almost like a certain sense of obligation, almost resignation that yes she's going to be the nominee and yes, we're on board. >> i wonder joe, first of all, does she need to do this. the answer may be no. but if she does and i want to put into context the conversation we had earlier about elizabeth warren who i always would have loved to have seenl seen jump if the race to ignite the conversation similarly to how bernie sanders is. but what does she need to say to tap into the message that appeals to the middle class, the plight of poor americans that is backed up by her history. because that's for example what elizabeth warren brought to the table. her lch,ife, her life's, would, everything she's fought for, feeds into her message which give it is conviction and credibility what can mccain to that applies to her accomplishments and ties it

together so it's believable. >> you're talking about a grand sdan. design. hillary eye hillary's problems are more direct. she needs to figure out how she can answer questions in the press. she's been sealed off because there are despite what her supporters say really troubling questions about her sevenrver. did she destroy the server. the reporters will ask that question. whether her people like it or not, held ask that question. and then they will start asking all the questions about uranium deals, they will be asking all the questions about india. they have 1,000 questions they don't want hillary to answer right now. and nicolle, i said they don't have to answer these questions for a while. the problem is when you start seeing numbers like this, do you trust hillary, and 42% say yes,

57% say no that's not dangerous now because jonathan is right the campaign is a long way off. but two or three months at that number they start having the mitt problem. the obama campaign was brilliant as painting him as a mean son of a bitch industrialist and they did that in early spring and it stuck with him. and he could never shake that. these numbers are fine right now. you have those numbers for two or three months, any political person will tell you they start to stick. and for a democrat being minus 15 on do they care about people like you you is toxic. because that's where republicans usually lose. >> i incorrectly predicted that the e-mail -- her not releasing her e-mails would not have a lasting effect on her poll numbers with the democratic base. but i think that story broke and then the clinton cash book came out and she now has a problem. i've worked for politicians that have had that problem of the

narrative getting cemented in a little too early. these numbers reflect a their narrative of them not answering questions, taking money from foreign governments, of really going against everything that this moment inspires and excites the progressives in her party. so i think the problem is that the entire narrative is contrary to the hunger that the progressives feel in that party. so everything that she's about right now is a turnover. and staying silent is a really really risky gambit for her right now. >> nicolle, i think what is really interesting is, and maybe you would agree with this she's really good at answering questions. hillary is no slouch when it comes to putting her on the defensive. that's what i don't understand. i don't understand why the campaign isn't allowing her to showcase her strengths. >> i've got thin skin on this front. lots of people said let sarah palin be sarah palin.

let hillary clinton be hillary clinton. >> well, i don't know if that's an appropriate comparison. >> she described herself as someone flat broke. you don't have to explain to anybody how troubling it is for hillary clinton who haptd driven herself in her own vehicle in 20 years to call herself flat broke. people understand that that is not the case. they are very rich people. so she has had some major flubs that have done great damage to her brand. >> and you look at the united nations press conference, i mean they had to clean that operation up for a month. >> to the extent that was a press conference when the press was held behind the barricades and you had to scream your questions from her. sfwr an >> andrea mitchell shouting from the top of a box. >> i remember we asked james carville what is the core message of hillary clinton's campaign. and they say it's wage stagnation. it is an economic question it's income inequality about bringing the middle class back. but she can't get that message out when all the questions and

all the stories are about the clinton foundation, about her scrubbed e-mail server. >> well, i keep thinking about that focus group that highland and halperin did that i think you showed last week of democrats. they were asked about the server and all sorts of things. and they were like -- eeh. but she's still our candidate. so i think for the clinton folks, they see that view as something that gives them a little time. and to nicolle's question about her being silent, in our paper today, we have a story about hillary clinton's launch speech in a couple week. in the story it also says that she's going to start doing press conferences and taking questions. and i think that's when reporters will have their opportunity to ask those tough questions and she will have the opportunity to answer those tough questions. and if she doesn't, and if she doesn't do it in a way that builds back up her credibility, then those poll numbers that you just saw, and i wasn't able to see them when you asked me about them before, joe, but those are

really bad poll numbers. she's upside down as you said. >> why do you think that is? because i'm stunned actually. honest and trustworthy, we've been talking about that for a while, but the fact that she's upside down on her approval rating is really stunning to me. i guess because we get so used to her being in the 65%, 68% range. >> i think the problem is the stories have been coming one way. it's just been an avalanche of bad stories with silence pretty much silence coming from the clinton camp. after that big speech on the 13th or hopefully before, she'll start taking questions from the press and depending again on how she answers those questions will determine whether she can flip those poll numbers back over. because right now, all the public has to judge -- has to go on is everything that's coming from the press with no response whatsoever from the clinton campaign. and i should say no credible response. >> okay. developing news overnight in new

york city a 39-year-old woman is dead after being shot in the head in harlem. it comes as gun crime numbers are causing allarm alarm here in new york city. for two years shootings have gone up and 135 homicides through may, 98 involved a gun. up from only 69 at this point in the two previous years. the trend is a bad omen heading into the summer months when street violence typically increases. new york is not alone in seeing a spike. the cities of baltimore -- >> baltimore is just exploding. >> and chicago. seeing extreme increases. >> nicolle, why is this happening? why is gun violence -- why is violence, why is the murder rate exploding over the past six months? >> i'm still in the city i'm raise my son in the city and these stories about -- i know

it's not just a local story. it's a national epidemic and i live in a saefr part of the city. but the reason we live here is because the giuliani bloomberg record on crime was historic low crime rates in the city. so i find all these crime stories, you put yourself in that position, and so i find these terribly troubling. i think the larger question is about policing. i think a tone has been set in part by our leaders, in part by our immediatemedia climate, where police have been held up as a bad force when the truth is there are bad am he wills, but it is a truly life saving benevolent force in most situations. >> if you're a cop and you put your life on the line every dwa and you go home and over the past year you've beenville filed for one thin after thing after another, for bad apples in the force, you're not going tog toing to take the risks if you feel like you have a mayor and administration, whether in this town or baltimore, looking to indict you

and finish your career p a maybe throw in you jail. you're saying i'm not going to at that time chance. i'm not going into that worst nan hood neighborhood in the city. i'm going to stay alive and stay out of jail. >> you have heard them saying morale is at an all time low and i think that's probably true in a lot of police departments. a lot of numbers jump out at you. half as many literally half as many stop and frisk stops this year as there were this time last year. so they would say that helps take guns off the street and lets criminals know that they're out there watching them. so however you feel about so that and frisk, you can't ignore that statistic. >> jonathan. >> that may be for new york. but when it comes to baltimore, we have an editorial in the paper today talking about bloody baltimore is the headline. and one of the things at play here is that the police force has retreated. they're not doing their job in

baltimore. and we've pulled out this one interview that a cop did on fox. and he said, quote, after the protest, it seems like the citizens would appreciate a lack of police presence and that's exactly what they're getting. so we've got this horrible situation here where especially in baltimore where it's been documented the horrible relationship between the community and the police and the undue force that the baltimore sun reported on last year of the police department on the citizens, and folks revolted after what happened to freddie gray and now the response on the part of the police department is making a bad situation worse. >> i think nicolle, though cops across america are in retreat. because if you've turned on cnn for the past year you've seen rolling coverage of -- you've seen rolling coverage of just how bad police officers are and

they have the cameras flying in the air 24 hours a day. and, you know this baltimore, you had one store and so they had the helicopters on for five or six hours. it gets big ratings. so congratulations for them. but it's been one year of police officers having to watch how they are jackbooted thugs -- i'm not saying cnn called them that. but the 24/7 news cable culture. if i'm a cop, i would be in retreat. if i were in new york city and had the things said during -- i like mayor de blasio but what he said during his campaign about cops i would be in retreat. >> i totally agree with you. and listen darren wilson that entire situation ended up not being born out in the investigation by the obama administration's justice department. the obama administration's justice department, which is widely viewed as a fair arbiter of civil rights violations in

this country, eric holder's justice department did a civil rights investigation after the local investigations had taken place. and there was no evidence that michael brown's hands were up and darren wilson did anything inappropriate. so that is a man who feared to his life. >> and hands up don't shoot was actually a -- it was a -- >> rallying cry based on a lie. >> a punch in the face to police officers. >> based on a lie. it did not happen. so there is never any -- it they ever comes back around after the facts are known. >> obviously there has been jonathan, there has been great abuse and we have shown it in south carolina. we have shown obviously -- >> and thisin baltimore. >> there is a trend in ferguson that was horrific. >> and cleveland. >> there is a trend in cleveland that is absolutely terrific and i think we all salute the obama justice department for pointing that out. but unfortunately i guess the criticism is more with the national media. it's painted with a broad brush.

basically suggesting that all police officers are thugs. guys have talked about going home and their sons or daughters asking daddy why do you pick on black people. >> you can't talk about one justice department report which showed that hands up don't shoot was based on a lie without talking about the other justice department report that -- >> i brought that up. >> everybody brings that up. >> but showed that there is a pattern and practice not only in the ferguson police department, but in the courts and in the civil government that basically finance the government on the backs of the poor in ferguson. >> exactly. >> and looping people into the criminal justice system there and making felons and cons out of people who can't pay traffic tickets. >> joe you've talked about that forever. >> that feeds a corrosive

atmosphere and relationship between law enforcement and the community. >> we've talked about that for a very long time. stop and frisk i think is something completely different. people don't stop and frisk people to do what they were doing in ferguson which was to pay for city government. they were stopping and frisking to keep guns off the street. they have stopped stop and frisk and a lot of liberals love it but a lot of liberals will stop loving it when they stop driving in from the hamptons to go to their theater and go to their expensive dinner party in new york city and they get held up. this is going to come to an end. will trend will come to an end and new york liberals will start longing for the days of giuliani and bloomberg again. >> i think it's a much finer balance between the two extremes. >> i think stop and frisk was working extraordinarily well. i think they needed to apply it more down the road. they needed to stop an frisk a lot more white people. so the ratios were fine.

but if you look at the percentages of crimes committed demographically with the stop and frisk percentages, they were doing it the way you would do it. if a computer said this is the percentage you should stop and frisk, listen, i live in connect cut. i only have to worry about taxes. you guys live in new york. >> nobody is stopping and frisking you. jeremy peters, thank you vef. >> very much. >> i asked them to but they won't do it. i wish they would. that's a letterman trick right there. the jacket move. >> still ahead this morning, scary news for flyers in airports across the country. why the tsa is undergoing a major shakeup this morning. plus the "washington post" says he has the best resume in the field for 2016 but george pataki is barely registering in the polls. he'll tell "morning joe" how he

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with us now onset, republican candidate for president mike huckabee. we were just talking about hearing loss. it's really sad getting old. >> hearing what? >> exactly. it's one of the problems your parts tell you. you played in a garage band, i played in one forever. but we were comparing hearing loss. >> you remember spinal tap and we would turn it up to 11? i'm paying for it now. >> that's what everybody did. well, we obviously had you on 473 times back in 2008. how are things eight years later? >> they're a lot different in many ways. for one thing, i come into this as a person who is much more

well-known than i was eight years ago when nobody knew me. you didn't even recognize me the tenth time i'd been on your show. i had to spell out your name for you. >> i only really remembered the last 9/11 that i am because of the movie. and you healed mika. >> i did. >> you laid hands on her in a holy way. i think it did take. >> good. no, it was a very challenging environment. we really weren't raising a whole lot of money. we were outspent 10:1 by everybody. there will be people that have more money than me this time. but we'll be competitive. and that's very -- >> isn't it amazing how the environment has changed in eight years where request thesewith these super pacs on the side somebody like ted cruz that everybody discounts and he reports that he has $31 million in the super pac and you're like, okay i guess he can make it all the way through. >> i think it would be better if somebody wants to give and you lot of money, give to the

campaign. let the candidate stand up and say yes, joe scarborough wrote me a $25 million check and i'm a quholly ly wholly owned subsidiary. that would be less disingenuous than what we have now, which is no coordination. >> we all know everybody puts -- mitt romney did it jeb is moving mike murphy over to run it, you can say there is no coordination, but there is a whole lot of nodding and winking going on. >> there may be but in our case we're so careful to not have anything do to the point that it's almost silly because our lawyers have scared the daylights out of us. >> so do you support the approach, i do and i know a lot of other conservatives and some liberals do give as much money as you want to give but there is immediate transparency? >> absolutely. >> i write you a check, you scan

it and that moment there is no dark money and also no limits. >> absolutely. prohibit nothing, disclose does his close it on the spot. if you want to beat me up for having taken a check on fr someone, okay. >> at least i know where you got the money. >> that's right. >> so it's always interesting, interesting eight years ago, interesting now, there are a lot of conservatives that claim you are not sufficiently conservative, which of course comes as a great shock to a lot of liberals. >> yes. >> i have problems with what you said on entitlements recently. we'll get to that in a second. but let's talk generally. what do you think the biggest knock that some of these club for growth conservatives have against you? >> i think sometimes think tanks stepped to look at life from a template and they say, okay, we'll create a template and lay it over all 50 states.

we won't take into account the political dynamics the unique statutoryial requirements that that plurarticular governor may have. and you come up with a false narrative that is going to be the result because you created the template and did not take into account the dynamics of policies. >> what are some of the dynamics in arc is youkansas that made it necessary for you to do things that think tanks aren't comfortable with? >> we had one of the worst road systems in the country. average car repair bill in arkansas was over $500 per coupler. take you a poor person $500 is a lot of money. so we said look let's fix our roads and let's pay for it. don't go into debt let's pay for it. so we did a gas and diesel tax, we put it on the ballot. 80% of our voters voted for it. >> to fix the roads. >> and we rebuilt the roads. >> so let's talk about one of my

pet peeves is that as a republican, as a conservative, you're supposed to have the same attitude regarding infrastructure on the national level. or our infrastructure is crumbling. we're cutting back on r&d, nih research. you can be a good republican and still believe that it's okay to make sure that we're not a third rate country when it comes to those things? >> you'll be a better republican if you understand that some things that you spend money on on the front end saves you a lot of money on the back end. let me give an example. i know it sounds like a liberal code word for let's spend money, but let's look at alzheimer's disease alone. that is a $1.1 trillion disease for the year 2050 and that doesn't even take into the account the human suffering an all the lost wages that a caregiver will end up having to give away by taking care of somebody. why don't we say let's take on four big disease. allzheimer's alzheimer's, diabetes, hart

december hart heart disease assistnd cancer. we need to focus on cures rather than just dealing with some type of treatment. >> let's talk about entitlements, my pet peeve since i got into congress. you say we don't have so much of an entitlement crisis or we didn't -- >> i don't say we don't have a crisis. >> we don't need to cut? >> look, the government is already doing enough lying and stealing. win we force people to pay into social security and medicare, we didn't give them a choice they involuntarily paid, it was taken out of their paycheck and for 50 years of your working life you pay into this fund because the government says you have to. and then you get ready to refire and after all these 50 years -- >> but do the numbers add up? >> no. >> it's kind of like detroit. >> but whose fault is that.

is that the consumer's fault? >> we don't just sit back and -- it would be like if you sat back in arkansas and let the roads keep getting worse. >> if we want to make changes, there are things that we can responsibly do. but first thing we take off the table, at this point in your life after you've paid if n. forin for 40, 50 years -- >> so is there a number? can we say everybody under 50? >> i think we need to say if you want to change the rules, you -- >> i can say that now that i'm over 50. >> but i think you say if you want to change the rules for people just entering the workforce. but here is part of the reason -- >> what about people like me who make enough money that i shouldn't be taking workers number. >> give me an option and say if you want to take a one time lump sum tax free payment and we're done with you. we owe you nothing more. we're done with you. but you get to make that choice. i don't want the government making that choice for some

person who really needs that social security check and they're 65 and they can't work until they're 71. >> does it burn you up that you get into these races and the smart money, the smart money that has been responsible for republicans losing five of the last six president halial races, smart money has already decided who will win. 2008, smart money said it was going to be john mccain. you get in of course in '12. '16, smart money tells us jeb will you win. >> i don't know if it's the smart money. i think it is the money from the donor crass. and class. and then dances to the tune of the -- >> how do we republicans stop -- i call it scared money. because everybody wants to give to the front-runner. who will win, who will win, we have to be on the winning side. it doesn't get the best candidate all the time. >> we get all the other

candidates to step aside, endorse me and make quick work of this. this is how we do it joe. i got a solution. >> i have to write that down. >> write it down. every time one of them comes on the show, you tell them this is the answer. >> endorse mike. >> this will work. >> so what is your plan how do we get past this. because we have lost -- we keep losing presidential elections. >> people have to start voting on principles rather than on their prognostications and their prophecies. the donor class has been wrong more times than it's been right. do you know who gets it right most of the time? it's the working class that nobody seems to even remember is out there working harder today than they have ever worked before and they're getting less to show for it than they ever have. people that had a really good job a few years ago and benefits today work in two part-time jobs and they have no benefits. those are the folks we need to be listening to.

they don't have money, but they have the real you are against city of urgency of a president that will lead this country. >> is jeb bush con seven difference conservative enough?serveativeconservative. it's unfair to question. >> how about marco rubio, is he experienced enough to be president of the united states? >> marco was my florida chairman back in 2008. >> am i not going to get to you say anything bad about anybody? >> repeating that work again. but i couldn't get him to believe that that was his best role. >> what is your best route to the nomination? >> we need to do well in iowa. competitive in new hampshire, but that's not a state that is easy for me. we need to do well in south carolina. we think because nevada is a caucus state we'll play there. i think we'll do fine. and then the super tuesday with all the southern states these are states that i won eight years ago, states we have a good organization in, good support

base. and i believe by that "time"point we're off to the races. >> last question that tripped up ted kennedy, a simple question why do you want to be president. why do you need to be president of the united states. >> because i need to bring leadership to this country that understands how to work in a hostile government environment which i did in arkansas when 90% of my legislature was democrat. we got 94% of every package through. the country cries out for somebody who can speak not only to the common man, but for the common man and will take those values and keep this country safe. i'm convinced that we can't have another president who does on the job training but somebody who has executive experience, who has run something in government and done it effectively. >> and if you win the republican nom nation nomination, what is your message against hillary clinton is this. >> >>? >> i'm the only person who nased the chin gone machinelinton machine

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we're very excited about this one because joining us now ben mezrik with his best selling book out now. always good to see you. another page turner of course. based on a true story. i know it's a big complicated narrative, but boil it done for people. >> this is the story of two

oligarchs. in general a story of oligarchs. these were the russian people who made billions as it changed from communism to capitalism. these two guys became two of the rich he isest men in the world and were caught in this drama and they resulted in putin. basically these men at one point this time seven men owned 50% of russia's gdp. they basically built these massive fortunes greatest fortunes in the world, but then as putin took power, they either went into exile or died or stayed with him. so it's this crazy wild story, a thriller about this massive creation of wealth. >> so you say they gave birth to putin. how so? >> actually -- >> and do they have any regrets. >> basically what happened was boris, known as the godfather of the kremlin, he was a car salesman originally. he built this car empire. and when yeltsin was fading away, they need to install someone to take over. they were looking for someone control.

and putin had helped set up a car dealership. they found putin and they basically installed him when putin took power, he flipped it all. they thought he was someone they could control and instead he nfts nftsed invited them to stalin's old house and said you've all made a element of money, you've done well, but from here on out, stay out of my way. and anyone who didn't stay out of his way is either exiled or dead and the ones who stayed with him are still very wealthy. >> how did you find these two? the hallmark of all your books are these amazing characters who are real. >> and howe did you research them without getting killed. >> i don't normally do books like will it. basically the director who did hercules and rush hour movies

called me and said there are guys who want to tell you a story, come to london. not knowing what it was, i flew walked in there's tons of security and a russian oligarch there, my immediate response no way. this is bigger than i normally -- i write about vegas or facebook mark zuckerberg. but, as i heard the story, i was kind of blown away by it. we had crazy meetings over and over in london and i decided to write it and that's where it came from. >> how did you research it safely? what did you base -- >> there's a main source who i don't go in to who it is in the story, and thousands of pages of court documents. >> why don't you go in to who the source is? >> they didn't want me to say who was talking to me. when you read the book you kind of see there is stuff here never been told before and it's really big story in a lot of ways. russia, there's a lot of bodies along the way, as anybody who researches russia and the business there world knows.

but basically it was a lot of court documents, travel back and forth. i built this story on this lawsuit, boris sued for $5.6 billion, the largest civil lawsuit, claiming he deserved more of the second biggest oil company in the world. i got a lot of the depositions from that. i will say there were a lot of crazy meetings. sitting with this oligarch and bret goes are we going to get killed for writing this book? and he goes you watch too many movies. >> the way he said that were you comfortable? >> an amazing experience and i'm thrilled with that. >> the way you look at russia today, but was putin control oligarchs or is it it the other way around? i'm thinking about the sochi games and putin had to raise more money, they spent $50 billion, he called them one by one said you each have to give $1 billion so the olympics worked. >> everything changed with putin putin.

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say, vote for me or i'll put out another album. >> that's cold. >> oh. >> that's cold. >> i like him. >> i want him to read some of his verse. >> stop. >> a reggae beat behind it. >> good voice. >> vermont and bernie sanders. >> some of the best. little known fact willie bob marley, from jamaica, yes, but born in burlington. >> is that right? >> burlington is wonderful. >> lived there until fourth grade. >> okay. >> i have a lot of bob marley -- >> that was shocking. you'd at least think they'd have a monument. >> tom brokaw who is better? >> i think his wife's amazing. >> she is. meredith's fantastic. yeah, we were up last night, tom's event, talking about his life. he's talked about the greatest generation, time to talk about one of the greatest reporter and

journalists, 50 years at nbc. >> can you believe that? >> i didn't realize that until he said that. >> i stepped back and took a year. >> next year, half a century at nbc for tom brokaw. >> he has been without the funny accent the forrest gump of -- he was always an extraordinary places wsb in atlanta, at the start of the civil rights movement. really, right in the heart of the civil rights movement. then he went out to l.a. and he covers the rise of ronald reagan and all of the tumult in california. >> watergate at the white house, been there every step of the way. >> great to celebrate with him. big changes under way at tsa after a series of stunning and troubling security failures. acting administrator has been reassigned after agents at dozens of nation's busiest airports failed almost every

single undercover breach test. here's nbc's tom costello with more. >> reporter: the tests were conducted by homeland security red teams, charged with probing tsa checkpoints nationwide. nbc news has confirmed tsa screening officers failed to detect smuggled weapon in 67 out of 70 attempts. one case alarm sounded on a magnaetometer but during the pat-down the officer failed to detect a fake plastic explosive taped to his back. super terrorists they know the tsa's weaknesses going. >> have the benefits of construct devices in a lab, not out in the desert in yemen or syria or someplace like that. >> oh, boy. >> homeland security director jeh johnson also immediately ordered new airport security procedures following the investigation. that should be -- >> a couple of things. first of all, i think we'll be

going through -- it's going to take a longer time to get through tsa lines now. >> that's going to be fun. >> get even more -- >> you can count on that. >> secondly, i just wondered i've read stories over the past ten years we don't invest enough in our tsa. i'm the first guy to say, first guy to say, it's not always about the money. people say we need more money. in this case i -- you look at some of the tsa agents there's some really really good ones but also some that don't seem to be quite as effective, and i've heard that they don't pay the people at the front line of defense against terrorism enough money it to get the best and the brightest there. >> i think that's probably true although hundreds of millions of dollars poured into buying new equipment to plug some of the holes they found in the first years after 9/11 and obviously that hasn't worked out. what the tsa would say, these checkpoints are one piece of the puzzle that they use. they have dogs and they have people watching but is it

depressing when you think about how our lives have changed at airports and trains and everywhere else over the last 15 years and you know standing in long lines, taking your shoes off and everything else that this still 14 years after 9/11 is the outcome that 95% of the weapons get through. >> 95% fail rate. >> that's a bad day. >> that's sort of me taking a chemistry test in high school. that's bad. >> chemistry was hard in fairness. >> it was. you really weren't supposed to -- >> not my bag. >> you're not supposed to buy a guitar with money your parents gave you for books. i did that junior and senior year could i borrow your book? i didn't have a book last two years. >> makes it hard. >> willie will you a good student? mika and i were horrible students. >> good enough. good enough. >> i struggled. to -- >> as your mother would say, she was a difficult student.

>> yes. she still calls me that right now. 2016 the republican candidates are going to disney world. >> okay. >> they literally are going to disney world. jeb bush marco rubio, scott walker and more will speak today in florida, governor rick scott's economic summit. and there's a new official candidate this morning with a laser-like focus on national security. senator lindsey graham announced his campaign for president on monday calling out opponents on both sides of the aisle. putting a strong defense, front and center in his appeals. >> i've got one simple message, i have more experience with our national security than any other candidate in this race. that includes you, hillary. those who believe we can disengage from the world at large and be safe by leading from behind vote for someone

else. those who believe the best way to defend ourselves is to lead the world to make history, rather than be overwhelmed by it. i ask for your support. >> so you can say he's the anti-rand paul graham brings total number of official republican candidates to nine with double digits expected by thursday when former texas governor rick perry likely announces. is he coming on the show. >> later this week. >> i look forward to that. as for a candidate who claims he's not in yet, although he is but he's not, so he can collude with -- >> let me read this. "new york times" reports jeb bush is not inheriting his brother's network of support. out of the 120 people who worked for president george w. bush 25 said they were supporting the former florida governor. meanwhile, hillary clinton says she's going to hold the first rally of her campaign at new york city's four freedoms park. that will be fun. >> named for president franklin

roosevelt's four freedoms address. the former first lady cited eleanor roosevelt as a role model. clinton's kick-off takes place next saturday and that park is accessible by tram subway. lodgegistical setup, that's going to be fun. >> that's going to be interesting what she puts on the table. >> what do you think about lindsay. >> we talked about how there's not a lot of strong foreign policy voice in the republican field. >> that is one? >> you have governors. >> right. >> you have some young senators there are some, obviously, rick santorum has some experience john kasich if he gets in. lindsey graham will make foreign policies his issue, isis being the biggest threat to the united states and he'll highlight the fact he's the one with the most experience. whether you like his experience is another question but he's got it. >> he's been working on capitol hill for 20 years in congress in the house and the u.s. senate, and he knows foreign policy.

i think having lindsay in as well as rand is going to be very good for the party. it's going to be great debate. there is a split right now, what the republican party believes the u.s. government's role in the world should be. we'll hear that debate. >> so he'll at least be able to churn up the conversation? >> yeah. i think -- i think he -- i think it will be a fascinating debate. and i think it will be important for the party. >> an effort to get senator elizabeth warren to run for president says it will take one last plea to the massachusetts democrat on monday a joint venture by moveon.org political action and democracy for america say they will deliver over 350,000 petitions, asking her to run. then, they will suspend their operations. in december, they announced a commitment to spend at least $1.25 million in convincing her to challenge hillary clinton. warren has said repeatedly that she is not running. i don't think she is. anyone here think she is.

>> no. >> they need to give up. >> are you ready to give up? >> yeah but don't you think, like i mean gosh i can't believe i'm making this parallel, don't you think like lindsay and others it would be great if she joined the conversation. i don't think she's as far to one side as someone like lindsey graham. >> no, she's further. >> no she's not. >> yeah she is. >> she brings up on issues of the middle class and the poor american really important, legitimate points backed up by experience and a message, and it would be a shame not have her in the conversation. >> she should be in the conversation. it would be great to have her in the race. she's further left than lindsay is right. >> how? where? >> well -- >> on what? >> look at the voting patterns. lindsay is on foreign poll circumstance lindsay is a bit more to the right. but on economic issues she's a bit more to the left. but lindsay's constantly -- >> not far left. she's trying to make sure that things that people talk about in

their stump speeches happen. >> you are saying basically lindsay's an extremist because he's a conservative. he's not. he's a moderate. >> he wants to bomb everything. >> lindsay's a moderate for the most part by south carolina terms and they always want somebody more conservative. >> that's the thing, elizabeth warren may not be in the race but don't you feel like her impact has already been felt? >> oh, yeah. >> the message she's been pushing the last three, four five years, you hear snippets about it every time hillary gets on the stump, those are themes not born out of elizabeth warren's campaign but pushed on to the national stage by elizabeth warren. what i worry about with hillary clinton -- i don't -- it's great for her to touch on those themes and mimic elizabeth warren and gather into what people tap into is important to them burke will she do it? what about her experience and connections and the way she sort

of operated is what the proof that she will stand up for the middle class and for poor americans who are really struggling right now, for a raise in the minimum wage in places hasn't seen it or hasn't seen it enough. i don't know. >> i can't believe i'm saying this i think she'll get there. i do. pretty of confident. >> will she be able to do it? >> yeah i think so. >> how? on what basis is that answer coming out of your mouth? >> because she's running in a democratic primary and if she wanted to win a democratic primary and -- >> she has to say it. but will she do it. >> i'm saying if you look at what bill clinton did, bill clinton was far more moderate than most democrats around him, but he still, i think most democrats, democratic base would take those eight years again. so is he going to -- is she going to be a flaming left-wing liberal? no, she's not. but i think she'll be sort of

mainstream democrat. i think what's interesting is bill clinton moved the democratic party to the center and he made bill clinton, made the democratic party relevant again in national politics because democrats had lost the white house 5 out of the last 6 times. and so democrats saw that was their pathway to success. and since he left office democrats, as a party have moved further left, bit by bit by bit. they are far more liberal, far more progressive party today at the core than they were back when bill clinton was president. and so yeah hillary may not be where they are but i think she holds the middle she'll have a better chance of winning the again elections. she'll be a traditional democrat. >> you're skeptical, mika? >> what does that mean? does that mean she'll stand up to wall street and make sure banks are not too big to fail? i haven't seen that. >> i don't think she'll stand up

to wall street any more than her husband stood up wall street. >> the answer is an ultimate no. we come back to my question and the answer's maybe no? >> the argument that that might be a pretty good thing that she's not going to go to war with wall street like elizabeth warren or go to war with a business like elizabeth warren or go around raising taxes. you want to see an example of what happens when you have legislature and executive at war with businesses? just look to my home state and where you're from connecticut. it's an absolute nightmare what's going on up there i don't know if you heard about this. they raised massive taxes a couple of years ago and it's the -- one of the worst tax states in the country for business, and now they're coming back asking for another tax raise. and general electric iconic business general electrician, aetna, travelers, have all said --

>> we're done. >> -- they're thinking about leaving the state. mika, when you first started going there, connecticut was the most thriving -- i mean it was an economic maddening. >> under lowell weeker to date myself -- >> economic magnet. i've said this for a long time lowell decided that he was going to implement a state income tax. >> yeah. >> and from that point forward, with a lot of republican governors, by the way, connecticut's economy has gotten worse. a lot of us predicted -- and i've been talking about weicker's tax for years now -- you can trace their economic stagnation back to 1991 and it's continued. and now they're talking about even more taxes on -- i think it's ranked 50th for the worst business climate. >> it's crazy. i've stood in front of more companies, including saab in orange connecticut, holding a microphone saying they are leaving and going to the south or wherever they went. >> do you know 50% of

connecticut residents in a poll over the past year said they would leave the state if they could. 50%. but they can't sell their house. because nobody's coming in because they keep raising taxes. the business environment is worse than it's ever been. so why would you move your business to connecticut? i moved to connecticut because i love connecticut and my children love connecticut and my dogs -- we love this state. i -- they i think, have lived in a zillion places that's probably where i'm going to be the rest of my life. but, man, it is hard to have a business up there. >> you can be sure now, with g.e. aetna, travelers, three iconic companies in connecticut coming out publicly against this dannel malloy's going have to have slam on the brakes $700 million of new taxes over 2 years and when you have companies like g.e. who usually

doesn't speak publicly about taxes. >> never done this. >> this is now for them to say this is unacceptable we have to look at other -- there they're scrambling in the legislature looking at raising the cigarette tax, which that was a big issue when i was covering news in connecticut years and years ago. still trying to figure out the balance. not sure what this has to do with hillary clinton protecting the middle class -- >> what i'm telling you is, you have a legislature up there and a governor who has decided they're going to go after the big corporations. one tax, ridiculous it's a tax that they want to put on people who establish their corporate headquarters in connecticut. every other state in america will give tax incentives for people to establish. >> i can't understand that. >> jeff immelt if you want to move g.e. to pensacola, florida,

zero percent taxes, state income taxesing and they, south carolina, will you tax cuts. don't do it, state where you are. i don't think they're going to raise the taxes. but it is -- it is pure insanity. and this is really at the heart of the economic debate that we have had for years. >> i know but you don't -- you -- i am not sure. i think someone who in -- a politician in charge leader in charge, can make deals on tax breaks and incentives in exchange for treating your workers better. i think that could happen. but you need a candidate who is willing to not just say it do it. >> right. >> not be so cozy with big companies that you can't. >> right. >> i don't know who that is yet, i really don't. it was elizabeth warren. >> i think elizabeth warren may be too hostile. >> maybe. >> to businesses. >> well -- >> that was my point. >> somebody who -- >> what -- you don't want happening across america what is

happening in connecticut. >> i understand what you mean by too hostile, i'm not sure that's what she is but i understand that concern. tell me who is not too cozy. name one who is not too cozy who you're sure will be fair. >> bernie sanders. i'll get you the sticker. on "morning joe," can a republican win the republican primary without running too far right? >> i don't know. but we can ask someone about that. >> who that is. >> george pataki he aims to do that. first, bill karins with incredible video from yesterday's storms. >> it's good. you don't need death and destruction to get amazing weather pictures. if it happens over rural areas and doesn't hurt anyone, that's what we look. that's not a tornado. a time lapsed 30-minute video of a supercell thunderstorms, they do produce tornadoes, a couple of funnels here and there on the bottom, it the inflow into the storm, like a vacuum. the storm sucking up the warm humid air over the black hills out there in south dakota. more storms out there today.

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♪ joining us now, former communications director for president george w. bush and co-host of "the view" nicole wallace, and washington pulitzer prize winning journalist and msnbc contributor, jonathan capehart. >> you came on set, talking about connecticut. >> yeah. >> you live in connecticut, too. >> i love this debate. and i'm sorry for you, about elizabeth. i can tell how upset you are. not in the race. you've got to be kidding me

she's an extremist, the notion that you would run for president of the united states of america on a kill the economy message is -- i'm flabbergasted anyone's attracted to that. i live in connecticut -- >> who is doing that? >> her message of shutting down wall street she's basically the maven of the occupy wall street sentiment. >> she's not running. >> she's not running. but you seem very disappointed. >> that was -- i'm -- i never thought she was going to run. >> i don't ever think she could be elected in this country, which is based on opportunity and growing the pie, not cutting it up and punishing others. i think the notion that she has support and supporters are disappointed there won't be somebody that can beat the you know what out of wall street feels to me like everything that this country was not about. and you think hillary clinton can't be a champion for the middle class is a staggering sort of indictment of her. >> let me clarify that because that's not what i said either. i say i don't know.

>> it's a question mark. >> if she can tap into elizabeth warren's message, which you've seen her doing -- >> but you said if she can mimic the message. that's just a stunning sort of assessment -- i'm excited, all i'm saying i listened to the first 20 minutes. i'm so excited to be on my side because i think republicans have an opportunity to champion economic opportunity in a way that they haven't before. i think people understand i think chris christie's opportunity about message about opportunity and equality is the right message. i which more of the guys in the field and women would take that on. >> talk about connecticut. what were you saying? >> sense i moved there, my plumbing company, it was a small business in connecticut, they've gone out of business. my electrician has gone out of business. my guys that lay mortar what they're called people that lay stuff, they've gone out of business. small businesses in connecticut are fleeing. you know i just am a homeowner not a business owner but it's impossible to people who can pay

for health care and pay for state taxes. the vast mo jortajority of people underemployed and the debate miss the point how people feed their family and have economic security. >> the most shocking thing is connecticut, throughout most of --of its history has been an economic engine. >> yeah. >> the provision state. the state that you know all of the insurance companies went there. they were very conservative with their money. they saved a lot of money. >> hartford's storefront the image of great american businesses, and it isn't anymore. >> a big story for a long time. >> right. >> for 20 years there's been a decline, started with -- >> a couple of republican governors along the way. >> i was saying, lowell, a republican governor started the state income tax. i mean connecticut used to be a tax haven where people would

flood to go up and live and that was just 20 years ago. >> yeah. >> and they -- that's why they had all of that extra money, tax money fork schools and for roads. and now, you know it just withered up because republicans, as well as democrats, have been taxing taxing taxing taxing for 20 years. >> you were talking about south carolina, florida. i was on the gulf coast of florida, god's country, there are new businesses and new construction and economic growth. so you look at rick perry or look at these states where republicans are sort of rising it is in part because they can attack an economic message how to add jobs to a national stage. >> they have the ability to steal it right now. >> coming up on "morning joe," adam carolla is here he's awesome with what he calls a parenting manifesto for unprepared chumps. >> chumps key word. >> george pataki breaks down

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we have some breaking news about new threats to commercial airliners flying above the united states this morning. nbc's tom costello has more. what can you tell us? >> good morning, guys. we've got four to five aircraft this morning where we have seen threats phoned in affecting them. so these -- we're not sure exactly who received the threats but essentially it's a bomb threat of sorts. we've had, as you know nearly a

dozen of the threats called in affecting aviation over the last week to two weeks involving incoming flights into the united states from other countries. this morning, they are at least some domestic flights, a san diego to philly flight landed safely in philly. we've got a plane affected at san francisco and two other airport also that they are watching that are affected by these threats that were called in. over the last couple of weeks, there's some speculation a lone wolf with some isis sympathies may be responsible for these phoned in threats. all of them by the way, proving to be fake or a hoax but of course, they have to treat every one very seriously. the fbi is very actively working to find out who's behind this. but again, this morning, about another four to five aircraft are affected by what we're told were phoned in threats of some sort of an explosive on board. so, we're watching this closely. >> tom let me ask you, one had already landed. are there some in flight that

they're watching? >> reporter: not sure about that, joe. that's why i'm couching that. i think there may be one in the air but we're not positive. >> thank you so much. nbc's tom costello. if you can, give us any updates in our remaining time. let's bring in on set, republican presidential candidate and former new york governor, george pataki, a man that many noted the most qualified of any to run, three-time governor of a blue state. >> comes down to the governors because they do the real work. >> hopefully, that's the case this time. i certainly hope that's the case. >> you heard the threat. >> i did. >> this is a world we're living in post 9/11 worlds and it's a question need to ask you, rand paul has been fighting to do what a lot of libertarians and a lot of republicans want him to do, a lot of liberal democrats want him to do to pull back on the patriot act. do you think what rand paul has been doing, a guy you're running against, is the way that you

would want to see the country move forward? >> not at all. it's irresponsible and dangerous on rand paul's part. right now we have no ability to monitor people we think are terrorist potentially terrorists in this country. we have no ability to have roving wiretaps. we have no ability to access metadata with a court order to find out if a suspected terrorist is talking overseas. this is a very dangerous time. this is a very dangerous act. i think rand paul made a terrible mistake. i just hope that we don't have any terrible consequences. >> what specifically though and it's a question asked over the past couple of days are there any instances that anybody in the intel community can point to and say that collecting the metadata phone records from americans stopped a terror act? >> what you can't do is say that, take credit for something that didn't happen. we know that we have stopped terror attacks.

we do know had we had this ability before september 11th, two of the airplane hijacker whose were involved in those horrible attacks had communicated, we didn't know they were here we could have accessed that data. whether or not we could have stopped the attacks themselves we don't know. but it's a possibility. we do know the september 11th commission said, one of the major problems leading to those attacks, were the inability to gather intelligence to protect us from terrorist acts. >> you say this the most dangerous time since 9/11? >> no question. >> some of us may believe that. i actually do believe than others, though would accuse you, since you're running and saying that a fearmonger. >> i was saying that before i was running. look at what's happening with isis. they are out there every day actively recruiting westerners. think about garland, texas. we came within one texas police officer having a massacre of american citizens because people have been radicalized by isis. and jim comey, head of the fbi, two daze later, said there are

hundreds, perhaps thousands of people like those radicalized garland, texas attackers in this country. we don't know who they are. we don't know where they are. that scares me. >> 6 % of voters polled recently don't know enough about you to make a decision. how are you going to get known? how are you going to get people to know you? >> you just have to work hard make the case. we had a great kick-off. >> are you going to have money? >> we're going to do our best to have the money. one of the good things -- >> you have sugar daddy? rand paul can't find a sugar daddy. >> we're going to fight the fight, make the case talk about my record and vision. we had a great start. i'm very hopeful. >> governor for three terms. >> three terms. >> in new york. >> yeah. >> over wall street. there should be at least one or two hedge funders out there that will write you a big check. >> i can't ask them because i'm a candidate. someone's watching the show and

wants to become a major backer let joe know. >> let's get to know you and look at your record. where do you stand on how you would approach attacking the problem of income inequality in this country and wages? and do you consider that to be a big problem? >> i think the failure of the economic recovery to create the jobs that help the middle class to be able to have good standard of living is a major problem. we've had a pathetic recovery. if we had the same size recovery, we've averaged in the last 100 years we've have already 2 trillion in year and greater gdp and more jobs. income inequality comes from a lot of things. first, we know education matters in the 21st century, democrats are telling inner city low-income parents that going to send their child to a school that can't teach and a teacher that isn't capable of teaching because they're in the pockets of the teachers union. we have to have the ability for

parents to have their child go to a school that teaches. we need to encourage two-parent families. one of the biggest predictors -- >> how does the federal government encourage two-parent families. >> stop the penalties for two-parents -- paying taxes now, expand the child care credit so you encourage couples to stay together. and we just have policies that encourage the creation of families, two-parent families make fathers be responsible. single mothers do a tremendous job but they are not going to have the standard of living by and large that someone who is married does. by far, the most important thing, though joe, is having a job. creating an economic climate where people want -- >> that pays a living wage? >> absolutely. manufacturing -- >> do you support the minimum wage increased? >> i don't think that's the way to go. in baltimore today, where there's a great deal of poverty, obviously, 47% of young adults

between 20 and 24 are unemployed. so those are the ones who have to have the help. you're going to raise the minimum wage? that's not going to help them. it's going to drive up the unemployment rate. what you want to do is create good jobs. i'll tell you one thing i'd do i'd lower the rate on manufacturing to the lowest in the industrialized world, 12%. build factories here bring back the -- >> lower the tax rate? >> lower the tax rate. create incentives for companies to bill factories here. lower the regulatory burden so that a small business person doesn't give up because of that. >> all right. you're -- >> one more point there are probably 6 million to 8 million people today working less than 30 hours a week who could be working 40 hours a week because of obamacare. that hurts income inequality. >> when you were governor of new york, first elected in 1994 sworn in january 1995 connecticut still was considered an economic powerhouse.

attracted so many people to that state. we have watched -- we've been talking about it this morning -- because general electric who nerve have done this before aetna, travelers, if you keep raiding taxes and penalizing us we're going to leave. what's happened in connecticut that can teach the rest of the country what not to do on the national level? >> you know what happened in connecticut is what had been happening in new york. you mentioned g.e. g.e. had left new york because our taxes were too high and they moved to connecticut because it was a tax haven. new york when i took office was dead last in the country in private sector job growth but we turned it around. we lowered the tax and regulatory rate. connecticut has done the exact opposite. connecticut has gone from a tax haven to where their taxes are approaching those in new york and companies like g.e. we can't compete here. >> it's worse in many areas, even new york.

i mentioned travelers talking about leaving. travelers hasn't said they're going to leave the state but said the business climate is absolutely horrific. general electric and aetna have both said if you pass this legislation, we're going to have to reconsider. >> absolutely. >> that's -- that's -- that's unbelievably bad. >> this is a competitive world. companies can be in any state or country. too many american countries are relocating overseas because of the federal taxes are too high. connecticut is a clear example of if you think you can tax the few who are here more you're going to lose them. it's exactly what happened in new york. companies moved to connecticut. it's what's happening there today. >> i think what's so compelling is talking about general electric electric, aetna, corporations leaving, zeevxerox already left, nicole saying her plumber and electrician left, people that make a good living wage cannot

even afford to live in connecticut anymore, and that has to change. >> so we've got a glimpse into your views. >> yes. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> former governor george pataki. come back. >> we need to go on the trail with him. can we come along? >> come along. >> we'll be back with much more "morning joe."

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oh my god, with us now, we have comedian actor, best-selling author adam carolla. a big fan of his for a long type. out with "daddy stop talking and other thing my kids want but won't be getting." they want you to stop talking. >> huge fans. talk about the book. >> well it was inspired by my daughter telling me to stop talking, it's a refrain i hear around the carolla house. i say, look you better hope if i don't stop talking because if i stop talking we're moving out of the house and into an apartment. daddy talks for a living. >> isn't it insanity you talk about it in the book it's insane how in kids' face parents are. my parents, go to my room put on my headphones i'd listen to

radio all night. >> they happened to live there, too. >> they happened to live there, too. >> he was 31 at the time. >> i was. >> you know. >> there's that. >> good headphones. >> the other day i was -- my daughter -- my twins are almost 9, and they're really super functional little tykes. good on their feet. and my daughter and her friend who is also very sharp, very bright responsible, were at the house and i was sort of in charge of them. we live in a nice neighborhood, nice suburb and a can we go get some froyo? and the place is literally up the street. it's a side street you know. i thought, for a fleeting moment, yeah go ahead, like here's $8 go get some -- like we would have gone when we were 8 or 9, got on our bikes, went up the street. they hadn't invented froyo -- >> but if they had.

>> and i thought, it's fine with me but then i thought, oh no i'll be crucified by not only my wife but if her -- if my daughter's friend's family finds out that i let her go unsupervised. >> summer vacations, when i was 5 or 6, my brother and sister and i would get on bikes, at 8:00 in the morning, after we had captain crunch and be out on bikes all day and come back at night when it started to get dark. that's what everybody did. >> oh i would -- my dad would be like here's a crossbow and a pillowcase full of broken glass, give me your shoes and hit the road. >> yeah. >> that was it. >> you talk about dad shaming. what's that? what's the culture of it? >> what he says it's no longer enough to be the bread winner and disciplinarian. dads today expected to be earners, handymen, and spider killers. >> you always were there. >> like we always were. but now, all of the mommy

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