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cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. chilling new details about the boston terror suspect killed yesterday who authorities say was planning an imminent attack on police officers. the fbi has low-flying planes that can surveil americans through their cell phones and rick santorum is telling the pope to put a lid on it. but first the scooby doo van hits some speed bumps. it's wednesday, june 3, and this is "now." >> these stories seem to be having an effect on hillary clinton nationally. two new polls show hillary clinton's favorability numbers are lower than they've been in years. >> is there some real long-term concern? >> a lot of candidates run for office. a lot of candidates though don't lose 20 percentage points in two months on whether you're honest and trustworthy. >> this shows really the lingering unease with hillary
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clinton. >> it's issues about e-mail, about trustworthiness, about her time at state, the benghazi investigation. >> the only game in side on the democratic side. >> she needs competition. >> 50 reporters trailing her a day. >> she very well may be the next president of the united states but anyone that thinks this is a coronation and a runaway is terribly mistaken. as hillary clinton hits the road with a fundraising focus, the numbers in a new poll show some stubborn bumps in her road to the white house. clinton is down in texas today, part of an epic fundraising schedule with at least 26 upcoming donor events in 13 states and the district of columbia. while clinton works the campaign cash register, it is clear that the increased scrutiny of running for office is taking its toll. in a new cnn/orc poll just 42% say clinton is honest and trustworthy. 57% say that description does not apply. jumping into the presidential pool has had a chilling effect
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on clinton's favorability. after hitting a high of 69% as secretary of state, clinton's favorability is now under water, 56% unfavorable, 50% unfavorable. those are the highest for clinton since y2k the year 2000. the good news if she makes it to the white house, they can forgetting about everything they ever disliked after she leaves office. george w. bush. 52% of the americans now have a favorable view of the former president, compared with 5949% for president obama. call it the united states of amnesia. joining me now, joy reid national political correspondent for bloomberg politics, bill mattingly, and michael steele former chair of the rnc. joy, usa, a being amnesia.
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is there something meaningful to glean in this other than we forget what happens during a presidency and politics? >> americans pretty much got over everything they didn't like about george bush in 2004 and re-elected him. people around the world are like, what? are you kidding me? americans, yes, people are very forgetful. ex-president is like an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend. he's not doing anything to bother anyone. so people look back with this bush nostalgia. is it lingering and lasting? i think the only thing that matters for his legacy is how he's viewed by historians and that's still pretty dismal. >> i guess we're on the cusp of a presidential election. theoretically, people's views about whether or not they like a predecessor would inform how they vote and on iraq for example, the numbers are not particularly good for this white house. whose policies do you blame for the problems the u.s. currently faces in iraq. 43% say george bush. 44% say barack obama. >> so alex, our former
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contributor coined the term the united states of amnesia. >> sorry, i owe you. >> but i think the media plays a role. the media plays a role in shaping the reality millions of americans live with. what do they learn about? and the lack of accountability on the media's part holding george w. bush and those around him for a crime, for taking this country into a war which just was a devastating debacle. veterans lives lost. a region which is in the condition it's in largely because of george w. bush's invasion and occupation. so i think the inequality of accountability is a new inequality we need to talk about. new orleans is coming up. the tenth anniversary. which in many ways, new orleans in a sense, the hurricane, i think was what really exposed george w. bush to americans seeing the incompetence, which is not a partisan issue.
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iraq became a partisan issue. it shouldn't have. because taking a country to war shouldn't be a partisan issue. >> michael steele i hear a low thumping. i think it's you chuckling. am i right? >> one step away from a guffaw at the moment. >> okay. so articulate what would have been a guffaw. >> i'm just laughing -- get your heads out of the past. the reality for hillary clinton and everyone who's going into this next election is not just about george bush. it's going to be about barack obama, who's the current president of the united states. it's going to be about what these individuals do. hillary clinton, i mean why are we so shocked that she's down from 69% in 2011 to where she is today? she's now a candidate for office. she's back in the political arena. people have a different take and a different view of an individual when they are a candidate versus when they are someone like secretary of state or even a president of the united states. so i think we're overthinking a little bit of this at this
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stage. and by september of october, you'll begin to see the shape of this campaign and what it means for both of these candidates on the right and the left. >> are we overthinking or underthinking? the honest and trustworthy thing, i would pause that it's not just because hillary clinton is more political these days than she was as secretary of state, but also because of the e-mail stuff. >> the e-mail stuff has had an impact. i think there's no question about it. but i do think people are overthinking. i think when she hit that high point, she wasn't a candidate. we also have to keep in mind what she's been doing as all these stories have been rolling out. she has not been engaging as an active candidate. she's been on a listening tour. her campaign is not about engaging to fight back actively on these stories. what i'm interested in is the big announcement on roosevelt island, after she really engages in the campaign for a couple months and after republicans start taking one another on in debates, then compare the
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numbers. i think that will be a far more telling sign than 18 months out when she's still doing a listening tour. i don't think it's fair yet. >> it was so daunting. and so crisis in the world is implode imploding. and it might be, but i just don't think it's there yet. >> i think katrina was on to a good point with the media. if you look at hillary clinton, the frustration of the campaign press that are following her i think starts to bleed in a way into her numbers. the media has really fixated on a couple of stories that the public initially didn't care about. the e-mails thing. so we in the media, engage in look at these e-mails. oh, my goodness, these e-mails. and we say oh, my goodness the public cares about these e-mails. we create a self-fulfilling prophesy of the things we want to hear about. >> i fully disagree with michael steele about getting our heads out of the clouds. but i agree with him that it's not a shock that hillary clinton
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has these poll numbers. but i also think one interesting poll within the poll was that her numbers are falling among democrats. i mean forget the republicans, they're not focused on support for republican. the fact that they're falling among democrats means that there are other democrats entering the field. bernie sanders is now at 15% in three national polls. will he be the next president? never say never. i doubt it. never say never. >> do you think he can really pose a problem? >> well i think what's key in the contested primary, will lift up issues that i think americans want to hear about. i can't say they don't want to hear about e-mails. they certainly want to hear more about what their kids are going to get in terms of free education or expanding retirement. these are the issues that bernie sanders and martin o'malley and others will drive forward. i suspect the campaign is eager for this big rally. it is the roosevelt for freedoms part. take that image, take that vision, give it some universal 21st century distinction.
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because roosevelt remains the most popular president of the 21st century. reagan supported roosevelt. >> michael steele, speaking of, like big campaign events. i am all for wearing the media hair shirt and saying this is hugely our problem. but the sort of campaign jiu-jitsu that's being practiced on both sides of the aisle. let's talk about the announcement itself. hillary clinton has been running for president for like a year now. she's anoupsnounced but having the big announcement against the roosevelt backdrop. jeb bush has not actually announced his candidacy. i do want to say if we're going to be responsible media people, it is farcical, the rules governing whether or not you're actually running for president and the campaign finance laws that undergurd this theatre. >> i agree. we place more attention on people who haven't announced and
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still done have a guarantee that they're going to announce for president, than we do on the people that are actually in the race. that's announce number one. the other side of the coin is when you look at what's happened to hillary clinton, i would agree that the media has played a role in that narrative, to some degree given their frustration. but i have to give props to the gop. they have been very effective. >> you're giving props to the gop? >> just from a pure political strategy -- what do you expect from the former chairman of the gop. >> i know there's a reason you're here. >> exactly. but think about this. for two years, actually since 2011-2012 in the benghazi situation, there has been the systematic bloodletting, slow cuts, small cuts at hillary that have begun to set in with the population out there. i think that that has also played into it. i think her silence, to your earlier point, has really helped
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ferment or cement that narrative a little bit, more than the campaign thought would happen and certainly trying to figure out what to do about it. so they're going to have this big event on roosevelt island but my suspicion is it will go away to cracking that a little bit, but there still could be a lot more work for them to do out there because this narrative about hillary that the gop and some others have been fostering about her has really set hold. >> death by a thousand cuts is the new political strategy. phil, the person that katrina did not mention in the list of people running on the democratic side includes lincoln chafy. >> i don't understand why michael's laughing. >> his wife stephanie chafy on facebook nearly three weeks after his april announcement. what april announcement is that? >> that he was exploring. >> no one has contacted him, she wrote. so sad. is there any hope? >> his wife also posted on facebook, do any of his staff
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members who are my friends remember lincoln's facebook password? we can't get on. which somebody found out on twitter last night. i don't have any problem with anybody trying to get in the race including lincoln chafy. my big question -- and it's almost as ridiculous as jeb bush not calling himself a candidate right now. it's ridiculous that lincoln chafy is going to. point to your constituency. point to what you've done to raise money.ee is going to. point to your constituency. point to what you've done to raise money. he doesn't know what his issues are. maybe foreign policy. but he's not totally sure. if you're not going to be serious about it then don't do it at all. just like if you are serious about it declare to be a candidate. >> i think lincoln chafee's announcement running in the democratic primary is a reflection on where the republican party is. >> he was a republican and then he was an independent.
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>> listena pitch in the chairman's giggle is what i'm going to call it that we don't frequently hear. unfortunately, chairman, we're going to have to invite you back on to respond to that at another time. >> i can't wait. >> your giggles speak volumes. bill mattingly, chairman steele gentle folk, thank you for your time. >> thanks guys. after the break, there are new details about an alleged terror plot in boston, where authorities say a man who was fatally shot yesterday was planning to carry out an imminent attack against police. more on that coming up next.
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man was planning an attack on police officers with another suspect who is now in custody. according to court documents, rahim planned to randomly kill police officers on june 2nd or june 3rd. in a phone call rahim told the other suspect he was going to "go after the boys in blue." for the past 18 months rahim was the subject of a federal investigation into home grown violent extremists. in recent weeks, he was under 24-hour surveillance. rahim was fatally shot yesterday as he approached fbi officers with a military style knife. in the past hour the second suspect, 25-year-old david wright appeared in court on charges connected to the shooting. joining me now is boston globe metro editor mike bello. thanks for joining me. what else do we know about this plan to attack cops and any possible coordination between rahim and wright? >> well apparently they were talking. this plot was hatched in late may, according to federal documents.
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these individuals were under surveillance. they apparently -- mr. rahim allegedly purchased two knives late may, marine style knives. federal authorities monitored the purchase and x-rayed it even before he got the weapon. they heard them talking. they had allegedly plans to attack a police officer out of state, to allegedly behead a police officer. things got very serious on the morning of june 2nd. there was a 5:00 a.m. phone conversation where both individuals were talking, and rahim allegedly said he wanted to attack an officer in blue we want to go after the boys in blue, which i believe to be a reference to police officers according to a federal officer. and there was a phone conversation recorded. said he couldn't wait any longer. so the documents say he was targeting an officer that morning, the morning of june 2nd and that's when police acted and stopped him in rosindale in the parking lot of
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a cvs. >> i find it really interesting that the police have already taken the video of rahim's shooting and killing and shown it to the local mosque. talk to me a little bit about the sort of ways in which the police department -- law enforcement is communicating with local and community leaders to sort of -- in and around this case. >> i think the police department and the fbi want to be very transparent. they met with around 22 leaders from the black and muslim community. went over the video with them. pointed out what had happened. the police say that mr. rahim lunged at them with a knife, was within 15 to 20 feet of them felt they had no choice but to open fire to protect themselves. and the court documents, refers to rahim being asked to drop his weapon, and rahim allegedly tells them no you drop yours. that's when police opened fire. it's a real effort to be transparent to ease the tensions, to tell them exactly what happened at this shooting scene, saying the shooting was
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justified. >> mike bello with "the boston globe," thanks for that. >> thank you. >> the story out of boston is not the only surveillance story in the news. the associated press is reporting this week that the fbi is regularly sending scores of of low-flying planes hidden under fake companies to circle and surveil american cities. the planes are equipped with high-tech cameras and sometimes with technology capable of tracking thousands of cell phones. those planes, which officials say are used in only limited situations can identify thousands of people on the ground through cell phones that they carry, even if they are not making a call or even in public. one of these fbi planes was spotted in baltimore during protests following the death of freddie gray. >> it was dark out. i saw the lights flashing on the plane and i saw it bang and then a couple of minutes later, it came back around. >> shane took to twitter. anyone know who's been flying the light plane in circles? just minutes later, someone tweeted back this map showing that plane registered to the
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same owner as this single engine cessna. it turned out to be one of a fleet of planes operated by the fbi. >> joining us now is editor at large of salon, joan walsh. we talk a lot about surveillance and security in this country. i feel like this story is so outlandish it's almost hard to believe parts of it. and i find it almost more alarming than many other things we've talked about. >> it's incredibly creepy. i think the worst thing is about who they were looking at what they were surveilling were by and large peaceful overwhelmingly peaceful protesters in baltimore exercising their right of free assembly peaceful assembly to protest police allegedly criminal behavior. peaceful people protest police criminal behavior and they're the ones being surveilled. >> and it's not just the u.s.
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the dea has them also. >> the fbi has always been the agency which has deployed its agents to go out into peaceful protests. during the protest against the iraq war, there were knitting circles that were infiltrated by fbi agents. >> it was the fbi that was looking at dr. king. and i think people got very up in arms about the nsa. but the nsa is the intelligence agency charged with foreign surveillance. the fbi is surveilling us all the time. and they've been doing it for decades and decades. i think this is where the american people need to pay a lot more attention, because this is happening not as some by-product of foreign surveillance. this is happening deliberately all the time. >> and if you look at this administration's record on surveillance, i mean according to the ap the administration was directing local authorities not to follow through on cases if it would reveal that they had
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been using these planes and this technology to surveil people. >> since 9/11 the metastasizing of the surveillance state has been brutal to watch. and both administrations, george w. bush, the obama following on have used it and in ways that we're beginning to learn more about. i mean joy is so right, that just as we are seeing new forms of warfare, the drones sent to libya and yemen, we're witnessing a pattern of similar fbi behavior but with new forms and new technologies. interestingly, we had a week this past week post-9/11, the first time for the first time the government the congress limited the government's ability to spy on americans. it's a first step. but the history of congress is coming off of the fbi's abuse of spying on martin luther king, other peaceful protesters. you had something called the
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church committee which led to the reforms. >> the reason we started with that boston story, joan, is because police are saying one of the reasons they were able to track rahim was through phone data surveillance. >> right. >> and i guess i wonder you know, is that -- i mean what law enforcement officials would like us to believe is that's a tradeoff. okay you want to take away some of the powers sort of the security state has. that means sacrificing your safety in other areas. >> but i think there are legal ways -- look they had reason to suspect that guy. not saying he was guilty. innocent until proven guilty. but they had lots of reason to suspect he was up to something. they had legal ways to get that data. we're talking about people doing nothing. people sitting in their homes, not even protesting. >> but at the same time, too, i think let this be a lesson. i hear a lot of people on the left saying i'm going to look at rand paul as a potential
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candidate. the executive power, when they start getting the briefings they all do it. you put ron paul or rand paul in the white house, what do you think their fbi is going to be doing? they think they're electing people that are liberal in all things but as the commander in chief, they make decisions. i think you put rand paul in there, he'd do it, too. >> i support what rand paul did with the recent bill. but rand paul has said he's against drones -- >> sometimes. >> but they want to drone somebody who robbed a liquor store for $50. >> that's okay. >> part of what we saw in washington is good reform first step. we need to monitor the executive. checks and balances have been eroded. remember dick cheney saying the gloves are off after 9/11? we have, as joan said fully adequate legal measures if we are presented with a false tradeoff day in and day out, that it's either liberty or security. no, you can have both. and you have to get back to recalibrating post-9/11. >> and that moment i think was a good one. one finger may be back in the
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google search: bodega beach house. ♪ ♪ [drones crashing] ♪ and now the stories that everyone everywhere cannot stop talking about, no matter how hard they try. senator elizabeth warren tussles with the white house again and some accuse her of going too far, too far this time elizabeth. and red lobster, ihop sonic and the cheesecake factory are singled out as the worst offenders in the newly released extreme eating awards. but first, caitlyn jenner is already having an impact on the 2016 presidential race. this weekend a video surfaced featuring mike huckabee making these remarks back in february.
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>> i wish somebody told me in high school i could have felt like a woman when it came time to take showers and p.e. i'm pretty sure i would have found my feminine side and said coach, i think i'd rather shower with the girls today. >> dark horse gop candidate george pataki took issue with huck's comments. >> we should give people their dignity and let them make their own decision. if someone chooses a path that's different from mine we should respect that as opposed to mocking it or in any way trying to prevent that. >> while some have reacted to jenner's transition with predictable ignorance, others point to the breakneck speed at which cultural norms are changing. just a few years ago, same-sex marriage was a pipe dream, while marijuana has evolved into a full blown and fully legal industry. the transcommunity is just the latest subculture to quickly go mainstream. the shift can feel to those of us living within them
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whiplashing. cultural conventions haven't yet caught up to cultural realities. joining the panel now is adam rappaport. it is always good to see you. >> good to be here alex. >> so what was your thought when you saw the "vanity fair"? and "vanity fair" part of the conde nast family. >> first, it was go magazines! print still matters. i think what's interesting about it is that whether you agree or disagree or informed about the transgender community or not, it's sparking the conversation. people are now talking about it who never even thought to talk about the transgender community. and i think it's a good point. people do need to get up to speed. it's not part of their daily conversation or their lives. it's out there now and we are talking about it. and it can be an argument. it can be a conversation. but at least that discussion is taking place. >> i feel like the conversation has mostly been positive. >> oh, yeah tremendously.
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>> it's an example of sometimes the american people are very compassionate, that they really can be a live and let live kind of people. when they learn stories of someone who they already related to, and maybe they watched "keeping up with the kardashians" and he's the most sympathetic figure on the whole show that's how i felt -- >> maybe. some people. not naming names. you know a sympathetic person asks for your understanding and people give it. people are not as squeamish and horrible as mike huckabee and rush limbaugh. >> well -- >> joy is like maybe. >> i think at the same time i think it also shows you that you know, caitlyn jenner was given a great collarbone and face. i think a lot of transgender people the fact that she was able to present the norm of a beautiful woman i think really helped. >> a highly manicured. >> and a very wealthy person who
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can afford all of the trappings of facial feminization surgery and everything to make a presentation that is normative to people when they look at a woman. >> which makes them feel less maybe freaked out. >> exactly. i've interviewed people in the transgender community who don't present that way and have a whole other set of pathologies and issues including poverty, inability to get jobs difficulties in terms of day-to-day life that are not going to be the beautifuljenners can afford. >> for the trans story that goes mainstream, a lot of people go oh the kardashians are getting their story in this. josh baro made the story. because they are so used to media scrutiny and they put it all out there, maybe they're actually the ones best suited to navigate this tricky moment in american culture. >> they're not camera shy. there's always those people who say well there's a book deal in here. there's a tv show in here.
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it's easy for them to take this step. a lot harder for the average person. but it's out there. in her latest battle with the white house, senator elizabeth warren focused on the top banking regulator mary jo white. in a harshly worded 13-page letter to white, warren writes to date your leadership of the commission has been extremely disappointing. you have not been the strong leader that many had hoped for and that you promised to be. joan, is this a bridge too far? >> i don't think so. when did it go so prissy? elizabeth warren has strong feelings about the regulation of banks. people can disagree with her. but i don't know why this is suddenly a bridge too far. >> elizabeth warren has focused her sights on democrats. and in many ways this white house. she has been a thorn in its side
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on a number of issues. some people not naming names, would argue joy, that maybe she should be looking at you know other parties more criminal parties perhaps. >> yeah, and the democrats now don't control congress. i think elizabeth warren is very useful in a lot of ways for the white house. she's out there pushing and pushing and pushing in a way that creates more room on the president's left. i'm struck by throughout his presidency how people on the left have forced him publicly to the left where a lot of people think in his mind he already is. and that's happened whether we see the lgbt community that shoved him to the left or whether it's elizabeth warren. i think people overstate it to the extent that it's a personal rift. they're actually quite friendly. i think there's a point where the white house won't like it. >> do you think she could be the bad guy so he doesn't have to be? >> absolutely. i think so.
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and also so hillary doesn't have to be. i mean, having her out there as the public enemy number one of wall street really ain't a bad thing honestly for the white house. >> but in this day and age, can you run for president successfully without being friends with wall street? the amount of money you have to raise. where is that money coming from if you're not tied to wall street? >> that's a good question. and i'm not sure. >> okay, we're moving on to a story that is tailored specifically to you. >> yes. >> that means food. >> it's another trans story. what do steak and shake's 7 x 7 burger and fries, sonic's 32-ounce pineapple upside down master blast, and red lobster's create your own combination platter. oh thank you, waiter. featuring parrot aisle jumbo coconut shrimp and shrimp linguini alfredo. what do all of those things have in common? they are among the dishes
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singled out for having the most offensive calorie counts courtesy of the 2015 extreme eating awards. adam this -- can we get a close-up of this? that is what red lobster serves to one person. >> not a family meal. >> what is going on? >> joy, she's horrified. >> there you go. >> i like how they put the iceberg lettuce on there. like hey, look, we've got vegetables on the plate. >> you have a cover of your magazine. >> yes, it has a burger. one patty. >> what do you make of that? >> it's a lot of deep friedness going on there. but you were shocked at the sides. have you ever been to texas before? have you ever had barbecue before? >> not as an adult, no. >> this is heavy. what does that speak to you. do you think one person actually finishes this in texas? >> yes. this is america. we like big. bigger is better. i'm not saying that's every meal, every day.
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but when people go out -- you know a place like dallas bbq here in manhattan, you pay your $19 and you want a lot of food. that's why you are going there. >> so how do we get off of that? i mean that's not good for you. >> no it's not. it's gluttonous. it says something about our culture that we do want to eat that amount. it sort of says we can. we can throw half of that away. and we're america and we're going to eat a whole giant cow. >> i need 17 shrimp because i'm not satisfied. >> the coconut shrimp is quite delicious. >> i think growing up when you're in college, like dude, let's go eat a lot of food. then you grow out of that phase, and be like i'd rather have good food. i don't know. there obviously is a market for it. how many calories is the pineapple upside down master blast? 29 teaspoons of sugar. >> who wants to eat anything called the master blast? it's a family show so i'm not going to go there. anyway we have to leave it on that. >> this is a family show?
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the car service app uber now operates in 58 different countries. it is estimated to be worth $50 billion, and in this country alone it employs some 160,000 drivers. according to a princeton university study, almost 90% of uber drivers are men. nearly all of them drive fewer than 35 hours a week and 61% of them also work full or part-time jobs. but while uber advertises that their drivers earn an average of $6 more per hour than taxi drivers or chauffeurs the company's reliance on contractors rather than employees has raised concerns that uber and other tech start-ups, while rich in profits, aren't doing right by their workers. joining me now is uber senior vice president david plouffe. he is obama's 2008 campaign manager. hi, david. happy anniversary. >> thanks alex.
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good to be with you. >> so let me just get right into it. a lot of people i know love uber. some people have issue with uber. as someone who's very involved with the company's inner workings, how concerned are you that uber is making life easier for consumers at the expense of workers? >> i think we are making life a lot easier for people in cities. i mean it's easier now to get around. a lot of people lived in areas of cities where maybe you weren't right next to a subway or metro stop where you might live in a place where there's not a lot of taxis, so your only option is to drive yourself. now you can press a button no matter where you are. it's a great economic opportunity. we have in washington, d.c. over 20,000 people driving on the uber platform. new york close to that. san francisco where i am over 22,000. you know, they come from all walks of life. some of them are professional drivers. most are doing this part-time. 50% of our drivers drive less
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than 15 hours a week. they're doing it to supplement their income or their spouse's income and it's completely flexible. i know from my political days you know, in terms of research people really struggled with obviously lack of money, but also lack of time. so to have something that you're completely in control of turn on the app, drive for a couple hours, turn it off, that's completely in your control. something i think is missed is that uber is a powerful economic engine for the drivers for sure but those drivers are also dropping riders off at businesses and making it easier for people to spend money in retail establishments all around cities. >> let's go back to that idea that flexibility is all in the driver's hands, because some folks say look you guys set their pay, you screen them you train them, in some cases you pay legal fees. you evaluate them. you train them. this is not all just about the drivers. uber plays a very big role in setting the sort of goal posts. are the employees? >> no they're not. again, you know they decide
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whether to drive or not drive at all. they can drive an hour a day, eight hours a day, it's completely up to them. when you ride with uber drivers, and people still have a lot of conversations with their drivers around the country and the world, that's the thing that really comes forward, the flexibility. someone who might be in school. maybe someone who's between jobs. we have over 20,000 veterans now in the platform. not all of those are going to drive for a long time. so they desire that flexibility, and not being told you have to drive for six hours today and you have to drive in this area. it's completely in their control. and it really works. people with aging parents, they have kids they might have multiple jobs or in school. >> does it concern you as someone who got president barack obama into office and barack obama has been a champion of the working class and the middle class. does it concern you that elizabeth warren robert rice have taken issue with uber and some of its practices?
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he said it has shifted the focus on to drivers. senator warren wants greater regulations around companies that she thinks has contributed to the part-time 1099 economy. does that worry you? >> i don't think robert riesh knows what he's talking about. he's completely detached from what uber is. so many people who drive on uber, let's say it's a married couple, maybe they're living in you know, ohio or living in florida. and together they make 45 or $50,000. one of them drives for ten or 12 hours a week completely around the rest of their life. and now they're going to be able to make for the year 55 or 58. this should be celebrated. it puts people into a different level of security. it gives them more flexibility. it allows them to have more income. and so you know obviously there's going to be questions about these changes in our economy. but if you talk to our drivers,
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you know, they are super happy with the opportunity. they love the flexibility. they love the income it provides. and, you know, the facts speak for themselves. every week we have tens of thousands of people around the world who were applying to be on the platform. and some of those people are going to drive for a long time. some would drive full-time. but the vast majority of them are driving part-time. and some of them may be doing it transitionally. as long as they pass a background check and they've got the right vehicle, they can get on the road and begin to make a living and serve their city. >> david plouffe, always good to talk to you. thank you so much for your time. >> thanks alex. coming up rick santorum a vowed catholic takes on pope francis. i'll explain coming up next. ♪ ♪
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sin, reasoning that because the earth is god's creation, it should be protected. the pope will deliver his first major letter to bishops this summer on the subject of climate change and the environment. >> the church has gotten it wrong a few times on science. and i think that we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists. when we get involved with political and controversial scientific theories then i think the church is probably not as forceful and credible. >> according to santorum's reasoning here the pope who by the way has a masters degree in chemistry, is not credible because he doesn't have the right science cred. and mr. santorum who has a degree in political science has no issue advocating for an abortion ban with zero exceptions for rape and incest a position he explained by relying on science. through both scientific and moral reasoning, the answer was clear to me abortion was a taking of an innocent human life. for the record political
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science is not a biological science. perhaps mr. santorum should work on his own science cred before taking on the pope. that's all for now. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show," live from new york. let's get to work! tonight, the president's push on fast track. >> the president needs to step up his game in terms of garnering more support amongst democrats. >> the president has been clear that he'll stand with the democrats who stand with him on this issue. >> if i didn't think this was the right thing to do for working families, i wouldn't be fighting for it. plus boston terror investigation. >> investigators tell nbc news they believe rahim was preparing to attack police in boston within the next few days. radicalized, they say, by isis inspired social media. later, hillary's newest rival. >> lincoln chafee is getting into the race today. >> and announcing the announcement. >> b
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