willie, i think it's really important that we're responsive to orur fans. do you remember the family that moved to the marshall islands. he listens every morning. he was watching the -- >> what are you talking about. >> well, we have 73 million on armed forces radio every

morning. and sometimes we're like santa claus, we go around and give gifts out. and so little johnny -- >> army brat. great kid. >> we love him. a little nuclear problems but he's working through it. but he's a huge green day fan. and so we promised him that on -- because he loves insomniac, all the great albums. >> that you would play it for him. >> do you have a favorite green day album? i think inso many knee being a so manyinsomniac. but anyway, this is for you, johnny. this is green day for you. this is just for you. >> maybe if you would arrive a little bit more on time we would notice that we're wearing the same color and then you wouldn't have to do a strange open to the show like this.

>> dartmouth man. >> we had a great day there. >> we went there a couple weeks ago. >> he probably slept in that. >> i did. i got no problem -- i love college gear. and people always say did you go to dartmouth. yes rks i did and i got this -- >> looks comfortable. >> it is comfortable. we'll get "morning joe" gear just like this. hey, by the way -- >> she's trying to start the show. >> i was just trying to get the news going. but that's okay. >> it's hard for me willie to think back to somebody that has been as bold in his announcement that he's run for president of the united states. i guess reagan in 1980 with the statd statue of liberty behind him,

jon huntsman a 30-mile-per-hour current swept the entire family into new york harbor. that was sort of encouraging. but lincoln chafe, yesterday, i gasped. sgchlt gall dang it, that guy went there. >> stuck his flag in the sand. one of his opening lines as he announced his campaign i said this -- here is a bold embrace of internationalism. let's join the rest of the world and go metric. sweet jesus. a bold endorsement of the metric system on the first day of the campaign. >> sweet jesus. >> where were you when you heard the metric speech? >> where do we find such men. >> we'll hear an official announcement from jeb bush. >> i hope he's wearing green for littlejohnjohnny.

>> we have political news. >> what took you so long? >> oh, my lord. >> this is a negative about our president and -- >> i can wait. >> i didn't want a negative story about a president. >> thanks. president obama is now viewed less favorable than former president george w. bush. in a new poll the ex-president received a favoritable rating from a majority 52% of americans compared to 43% who see him in an unfavorable light. that puts bush in a better position than president obama whose numbers are even at 49. their predecessors bill clinton and george h.w. bush both received positive feelings from 64%. >> i mean to explain, bill clinton did knock over a bank last night and that helped his numbers. >> also more and more americans are pes missionsimistic about the

president's handling of isis. a 14 point swing against the white house since february and president secretary josh earnest had this reaction. >> the president is not designing our strategy around this military conflict based on monthly poll numbers, but he's doing it based on the national security interests of the united states. and that's what will continue to guide our strategy that's why the president continues to believe it's not in our best interests to essentially reinvade iraq to try to solve this problem. >> so he's at 49% where they don't look at it in terms of foreign policy. fair answer. but what does this mean? >> well, it means absolutely nothing. >> then we'll move on. >> i saw some programs that had this on last night, obama and popular uhe lar blah, blah, blah. in this day and age, if you're at 49%, pat yourself on the back.

i think those numbers are extraordinarily high. i say extraordinarily high as divided as the political class is in washington, d.c. george w. bush would love to have a 49% approval rating seven years in after all the divisiveness. and president obama's successor, if he could be 49% seven years in, they would take it. willie, the spin on this that somehow the president's numbers are dropping and blah, blah, blah. i mean comparing him to george w. bush doesn't really matter. that's like comparing a guy that has to go out and box in the boxing ring with somebody that boxed 20 years ago. it's irrelevant. >> when i looked at that number i thought 49% is as high as we've seen in a long time for president obama. to me the number that jumped out was bush's 52% because he was so low when he left office. but as you say, he's been gone a long time, not under the

spotlight. memories fade. the presidency is romanticized. so i'm in the as stunnot as stunned by those numbers as most people. >> bush has kept his mouth shut. he's shown the class of his father. i wasn't a big fan of george w. bush's policies. he did some things right. but he was a big government republican. i thought he hurt the republican party, con stefsh differenceservative movement and the country. but as an ex-president, he's shown a lot of dignity and kept quiet. >> to me the more interesting number was the second one which was 32% of americans approve of the way the president is handling the fight against isis. and if you look at inside the cnn poll as well, when you combine the fight against terrorism and the fight against isis americans are really concerned about this issue and foreign policy will be at the center of this campaign. >> i was talked to go a top

democratic yesterday over lunch, huge fund-raiser, and he was talking about the president's economic policy. we were having debates over it. and then we turned to his foreign policy and he just gasped. foreign policy is an absolute wreck, a nightmare. >> the situation is vexing and every day there is a headline i'm looking at the first paper, isis making political gains, "new york times." secretary of state tony blinken praised for kiting fighters but his comments were not supposed to be made public and the remarks come months after the pentagon said body numbers were not relevant. and david petraeus is offering a grim picture of the current u.s. effort to defeat isis. >> isis clearly is a threat to the united states, to our allies and partners around the world and of course very much in the

region. instability, violence and so forth and indeed far beyond just iraq and syria. it's the into north africa, even trying to recruit in afghanistan and pakistan. >> are we winning or losing at this moment? >> well, these are fights where if ear not winning, you're probably losing because time is not on your side. >> and we are not winning. >> well, it's arguable now in rag. iraq. we will win again. i do think iraq can be handled, i think it can be kept intact. we have do more in syria. this is already a long war. it's become longer because of the advent of the islamic state and we have to recognize that and we have to be in it. >> when questioned about david petraeus why was the government pushing him around instead of saying will you please put on the uniform and go back over there, this is a guy that did

more to bring peace to iraq than anybody else. we had you know one journalist after another journalist that covered iraq talking about how in '08, '09, '10 they would have -- they hated americans and they hated george w. bush but they would have put statues up of david petraeus all across the country because they saw how much he did to bring stability there. when you have somebody -- >> it's incredibly complicated. there were issues about information being released inappropriately. i mean, that's-will- >> yeah do you want to win a war or do you want to try to make a political point. i want to win a war. >> it's not about politics. >> it really was about politics. i want to win a war. give him a slap on the wrist, accepted him on his way and then get him back in there helping us win a fight.

>> his insight is valuable. >> this is a guy who took a country that was in absolute chaos and came up with a strategy to bring peace to iraq. the tact that we're not using him actively reminds me of george w. bush ignoring colin powell's advice after colin powell fought the same war this iraq. >> he was given a relative slap on the wrist for leaking that material. probation and a fine. so he's out there. if you want to consult with him -- maybe they are and we don't know about. but i think they would be wise to ask what he did right in iraq for that period of stability. >> there is a lot to cover including interesting polls on inequality and how much people care about that issue. and look at -- >> i care about it. >> look at the front page of the "wall street journal," america is in search of its pay raise. wages are still stagnant and it's maybe what these candidates

want to find a way to effectively hone in on. >> i know that you'll go to the we've got to raise the minimum wage argument out of that. >> that's one. that's not what i was thinking. >> that's the wrong way to look at it even though you can be -- >> better than nothing. >> you can be in support of raising minimum wage. we have to figure out a way to create policies that help grow jobs. and you look at connecticut, they passed that budget and the budget is higher taxes, it will drive more businesses out of the state, that will lower revenues. which will mean they will have wages lowered which means that they will have to go bag and raise even higher taxes. it's a vicious cycle. >> so are the big companies going to leave? >> we shall see. they passed a compromise late last night which was deplorable. but we'll see what happens. everybody goes let's go ahead and force minimum wage hike.

that short circuiting an entire process that creates this false sense of security and ends up hurting companies lower. >> there are companies willingly raising their minimum wage even shall to $15. >> and that's the way it should be because it's another market pushing them to do that. >> last night the l.a. city council passed a $15 minimum wage for city workers and a year later small businesses will have to follow. so we'll have a good laboratory to see if it works. >> other cities are doing the same thing. so its time is coming. it is. >> and by the way, if cities can raise minimum wage to $15 and then we look at the economy a year or two years from now and there's been no impact in fact it's been a positive impact respect i'll be i'll be the first to cheer. right now we have a pretty tough economy and hiking $15 an hour

has real world impact on a lot of these small which is owners fighting to keep their doors open. >> these candidates can impact this conversation for sure. six months after he launched hisrdhis rd hisrdrd presidential exploratory committee, jeb bush announced that had his decision will come on monday june 15. >> you can't read this straight. so i'm going to. >> yes, i can. you can't handle the truth. >> no. it's just that he's giving himself time -- >> i want the truth. now you can't handle it. a spokeswoman tells the tampa bay times that the great governor picked miami-dade college as the location and the nod to his passion mika -- >> i believe he has passion for education policies. >> this gets me a little emotional. for education policy. rick perry, another guy we love around this set, will launch his

second bid for the white house in a few hours. >> all right. that's good. >> i love that guy. willie do you not love rick perry? ? . >> he's on our show tomorrow. >> he's a nice guy. on the democratic side, hillary clinton is headed on perry's home state of -- >> what's that about? >> well, there is bernie, maybe -- but we have to get a team going. >> o'malley. >> we have chafe talking about the metric system. what else do you need? you got a socialist running. you have to love that. a socialist democrat running. that's your dream. >> i'd like to see biden jump in. >> i would love to see joe biden jump in. >> i know it's a very poor time. >> john kerry ought to consider it. >> yes, he should. apparently he's working around the clock right now. >> i think john kerry should run for president. i think, you know the more the merrier. i wish al gore would consider jumping back in.

>> come on now. >> you don't like al gore because he had a beard? are you a beard-a-phob? >> she hates the environment. >> hillary will call for early voting. >> why does mika hate well, everybody? >> i don't. i want to see hillary get better. and she doesn't get better if there is no one really, you know -- >> you don't seem to like jeb, you don't lying hillike hillary. you are a grumpy gus. >> who is the one democrat you'd love to see jump in other than elizabeth warren biden? >> yeah. i would. >> i'd love to see him jump in. i'd love to see john kerry jump in. >> real experience. real ideas that -- actually some of his ideas never came to pass but turned out to be right.

and this is someone who really could inject into the conversation about foreign policy and economic policy some perspective and experience that would apply. >> imagine this, if you had the democratic party that had hillary clinton, joe biden, john kerry and al gore running can you- >> take al out, put elizabeth in. >> why take al gore out? the guy won the popular vote in 2000. he's younger i believe that hillary clinton. so it seems to me that's the best way for the democratic party to come up with a really strong candidate. can you imagine that that? four democratic giants on the stage there. >> she has the potential to get really good. but she needs that -- >> she would get great if she survived that. that would be best for the democrat being party 37. >> coming up on "morning joe,"

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john alley veroliver, game of thrones. watch it at your desk or on a plane. >> let's go to the "new york times." cbs polls showing a strong majority believe wealth should be more evenly divided. and the federal government should do more to reduce the gap between rich and poll including 34% of republicans and 81% of democrats. this brings us to the world of renowned steve rattner chart. he takes a closer look at some of the things that we've been talking about will this past week on the epic tax battle in connecticut which is really indicative of a national issue, a national debate a national problem. steve, let's look at the chart. >> so let's start with connecticut is the focus, but let's look at the whole country. and a study by the tax found days of what were the ten highest taxed states, the ten lowest taxed states. and the higher taxed states are

here in yellow and you can see that they're clustered in the northeast, in the upper midwest, and of course you have california. can't forget california. >> so you've got in the northeast, new york vermont, connecticut of course rhode island and new jersey. but live free or die, baby new hampshire is the example, thank god a state that doesn't have a state income tax or a business tax, right? >> that is correct. but if you look at these lower taxed states wyoming does not have a state income tax or business tax. florida does not have a state income tax. and so you see that these mid western, rocky mountain states are at the low end of the spectrum. >> so what's the impact? >> so if you look at the next chart, you can see some of the impact. which is here we've taken the ten states and grooped theuped the top ten and bottom ten.

so you can see that on unemployment, there is a reasonably significant difference. the higher taxed states have 0.4% more of unemployment. if you look at the growth rate, which is obviously very important -- >> that's the real difference here. >> 1.7%. like two-thirds of the growth rate in the higher taxed states. and also true in fairness that the higher taxed states still have a somewhat higher income because these are wealthy states. these are where connecticut, new york, new jersey a lot of business people, a lot of hedge fund people and folks like that live. >> let's go to the next chart where you talk about how high taxes are hurting connecticut. >> so here we've taken a few states that i think would be of interest to our viewers. florida which is number five state, new hampshire which is number seven texas number ten and then two of the higher taxed states. and you can see that connecticut has a 6.3% unemployment rate. it has -- >> look at new hampshire right by it in the same region 6.3

for connecticut, new hampshire which has low taxes and low regulations, only a 3.8% unemployment rate. >> and a couple other stats. connecticut was one of only six states that lost population last year. over half -- according to gallup poll, over half of connecticut would live if they could. so you can see some of this being born out it if real life. >> let's go to the growth rate. this is the most important thing that you see on taxes. the impact of high taxes. connecticut's growth rate is less than 1%. florida's is 2.2%. again, another one. texas is 3.7%. and then of course new york also the horrific tax situation, less than 1%. >> so connecticut was the tenth

slowest growing state in the country last year and over the last four years, it has grown at 0.42%. >> isn't that a phasemazeing for a guy -- talk about how connecticut has changed. >> i was about to say, connecticut has only had a state income tax since 1981 and i remember as a young banker many moving to connecticut because taxes were lower. and somehow, and you would know more about this than i, over the last 20 years it has become a high tax, high cost state. >> lowell weicker passed a state income tax and all of the people with money and small businesses that wanted to rush up to connecticut stopped rushing up to connecticut. and in this region you just imagine if connecticut had no state income tax right now like they did in 1991 with the high taxes in new york and new jersey imagine the flight of businessis investors that would happen going up to connecticut. >> heky tell you one thing that is happening people of my age in my profession a lot are moving

to florida because florida has no income tax. >> well, florida is the new connecticut because i can tell you so many people in my business say, hey i'm moving to your state. and they figure out a way to be in new york less than 180 days. and take up residence in florida, they have 0% state income tax. so while i pay 55% of everything i make straight off the top to the government you go down to florida, you're paying 35% to 39%. >> your only consolation is that when you move from florida to connect kukt cut, your taxes went down a little bit. >> in just a few hour rick perry is poised to jump into the presidential race. we'll get a first crack at the republican contender when he joins us live tomorrow. ta he fires up the free wifi with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before!

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was no time. >> anyway isis making political gains across syria, this of course connected with so many other stories. the tony blinken story and also assad. isis' air force. how do we unwind this? >> that's exactly right. what you've got, start with blinken's comments the idea perhaps 10,000 in isis has been killed. higher number. but even if it's true it doesn't necessarily translate into progress. it's recruits. if 10,000 get killed but 50,000 get radicalized, you have a net gain. you're not getting greater cohesion in iraq and in syria, you still have the operations of a ground fight. >> are we ever going to have the cooperation of everybody that we

immediate? what happens if assad leaves? what does turkey start doing? >> really interesting. assad has on go because then you have a potential partnership between ourselves and a post-assad syrian government. that is the basis of getting a ground partner that you could use, bringing in air support. so agos sad oig going is the beginning rngs butbut not the answer. isis could match to damascus. >> what will be the impact of the turkish elections coming up about. >> it's not clear based on the polls that he will get what he wants, such a sufficient majority, so can he change the constitution to shift real political power from the prime minister to himself. either way, this is a very top heavy authoritarian government. >> israel president had a speech on israel -- or interview in israel a couple days ago and suggested something that

presidents just don't suggest and that is that he might let the united nations take a vote on palestinian statehood. >> that was part of it. availed threat that essentially going to step back. what i thought was oddthreat that essentially going to step back. what i thought was odd why at this hospital given isis, given the iran nuclear situation, given iraq syria, yemen and all that why the president would basically devote this time to putting this emphasis on this issue. i almost wrote a book about rightness. this is about as unright as you get. >> why provoke at this time. >> exactly. you have a divided palestinian leadership, a new israeli government. you know they will not be receptive to this on either side. why provoke and push an issue that is not at the core of what is going on in the middle east. could you have a palestinian state tomorrow. does anyone think there would be any difference in the dynamics in syria, iraq yemen, libya?

the answer is no. just seems an odd moment to single out this issue and push it given the lack of prospects and the fact that it isn't intimately connected to the dynamics in this part of the world. >> so was it just a faux-pa? did he have some other plan in his mind? >> no it was actually quite revealing. you read this interview, his interview with jeffrey goldberg, the president feels something of a calling. there is always a discretionary amount of time and energy that any political leader has and the president has a thing for this issue. he is focused on it. he describes himself as the most jewish president we've ever had in the white house. this is just something i think when he came of age -- >> the most what? >> jewish president. he's described himself as the most jewish president. >> by what standard? >> he's basically arguing he is the true friend of israel by arguing for israel to compromise into a two state solution which would be good for israel's democratic jewish -- >> i get it.

so we burned down villages in vietnam to save them. so he will talk about giving palestinians power who are actually saying they want to destroy israel and drive them into the sea and power hamas instead of actually making the other side be equal partners. >> there are other presidents i think who would dispute that self characterization. >> his point of view he properly analyzes that israel in principle would be better off with a two state solution be good for israel being a jewish democratic prosperous people state. but all that of the kragt of thecrack of the palestinian state -- >> you have to have a partner that doesn't say they want to drive you into the sea. >> and you have to have a willing and capable partner. in the west bank, you have potentially a willing partner that is not capable. and the fact that they're divided means israel even if we're inclined to negotiate would not succeed this negotiations right now. >> you just described my entire

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incredible philanthropists, but instead of all drilling in their own area with can he all work together instead of repeating each their own initiatives, work together so there is no overlap. >> steve, how is the economy doing right now? >> it's done pretty well. i think there is some reason to be optimistic, but i think i give the forbes team-historically forbes has focused on wellth and now they're focusing on giving an impact. help drive economic growth. one of the areas we focus on at the case foundation is economic development, job creation which i think is the best way to make sure that you solve some of these different problems. >> you're perfect person to have here because we've been talking a lot about a tax fight up in connecticut, a place businesses used to rush to and now there is an economic crisis there, taxes have been going up. one of the least attractive places for business climate.

how important is that for a company in getting off the ground picking the right state with the right tax policies and the right regulatory initiatives? >> i think it's important, there are a lot of things that go into that. last year 75% of the venture capital went to three states. california, new york and massachusetts. the other 47 states fought over the other 25%. so some of it is leveling the playing field. that's where most of the investors are sitting. but there are great companies starting all over the country. so trying to level that playing field so everybody is more inclusive. right now over 75% of the capital goes to men. women and minorities are generally excluded. how do we make sure everyone has a shot. >> why is it so much a problem for women? >> it's more access to networks. historically has been sort of a little bit of an old boy's club.

kind of who you know. and some of the things including the jobs act leveled the playing field with crowd funding. and what you're seeing with the sites is women led initiatives are getting more funding because it's based on the idea not just who you know. and that's what we have do across the country. meanwhile we have to make sure people who have been successful and clearly the folks gathered yesterday do what they can to give back. but the key message yesterday was around collaboration was around partnership. there is an african proper verb quickly, go alone. but if you want to go far, you must go together. that's the spirit offully fully philanthropy. >> i was going to ask you as someone who has been so successful in business where do you come down philosophically on the relationship between

business and government. there are some people who say get out of the way government others who believe it can be a part anywhere. partner. >> i call it it the third wave of innovation, there will be more of that need for partnership with government. try to revolutionize learning or health or energy or food these are businesses that to gave some regulations and also businesses where the largest customer is the government. sos next generation 3r50urentrepreneur needs to engage with the government. >> and the individual needs to take a role too. government and large corporations showing they are more and more incapable of solve these big problems. individuals have the means that they can actually make a difference and push an issue forward where maybe government and a lot of large corporations cannot. >> all right. thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you guys. >> coming up, when the cure is worse thant the disease. "time" magazine dig there is to

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earlier i said let's be bold. here is a bold embrace of internationalism. let's join the rest of the world and go metric. i happen to live in canada. and they completed the process. believe me it's easy. it doesn't take long before 34 degrees is hot. only myanmar, liberia and the united states aren't metric. and it will help our economy. >> okay. welcome back to morning joe. steve rattner, richard haass still with us. a little different than bernie sanders when he had a huge crowd. what did you think? >> well, look, i went to the same school he did at roughly the same time. happily our lives have taken different paths. >> not the rhode island school

of design? >> well, don't besmerck that school. >> that's a good school. >> he became a black hits. nothing wrong with black smiths. he became a senator when his father died. and then he lost the senate seat. he ran for governor and he wasn't a very good governor and he couldn't run for re-election because he would have lost. and now he's running for president. >> so six months after he launched his presidential exploratory committee, we'll move on to another candidate, former florida governor jeb bush is ready to decide. bush announced via his website that his decision will come on monday june 15th the. okay. a spokeswoman tells the tampa bay times he picked miami-dade college as the location and a nod to his passion for education policy. sbl he >> he needed to do this. he needs to stop playing around on the margins. he's struggling in iowa

struggling everywhere. he has to get out there. >> yeah, and the questions have intensified over the last week or so. now to get to the extent where is he breaking the law pie raising all this money for the super pac. >> he matt misde the mistake of saying he was running for president.the super pac. >> he made the mistake of saying he was running for president. >> he still has 10 or 12 days before he actually gets in the race. >> today rick perry jumps back into presidential politics. and as kasie hunt reports he's hoping for a far better landing than last time around. >> if you want to find out everything about yourself i mean like everything some of which is even true run for president. >> reporter: rick perry learn that had the hard way. longest serving governor in texas history starting out on top in the 2012 presidential race. >> i was the front-runner. three ofs most glorious hours of my life. >> reporter: the hours before oops. >> i would do away with

education, the -- commerce. and let's see. i can't -- third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> i'm glad i had my boots on tonight because i sure stepped in it out there. >> reporter: even before that perry had stumbled offending many conservatives when he defended allowing the children of undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition. >> but if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they have been brought there, by no fault of their own i don't think you have a heart. >> reporter: perry came in fifth in iowa. and dropped out before the south carolina primary. >> i have come to the conclusion that there is no viable path forward for me in this 2012 campaign. >> reporter: now he's seeking redemption planning a texas announcement highlighting his military experience. >> i'm proud to have worn the uniform of the united states air force. i'm proud of the young men and women who travel to far flung regions of the world today to

fight for all that is right in the world. >> reporter: he's been studying up on energy and foreign policy working to correct his past mistakes. this time around perry will be vying for support with ted cruz and jeb bush who both have deep ties to texas and still looming, a state indictment for abuse of power that his team dismisses as politically motivated. >> this indictment amounts to nothing more than abuse of power. >> reporter: perry has already been campaigning hard in early states doing event after event no matter how small, trying to show voters that this time he's if real. >> i think over the course of the last two years people realize that what they saw in 2011 is certainly not the person they're looking at at 2013 2014 2015. >> and kasie joining us live from addison, texas. so for people who will take a second look at rick perry this time around what's different? >> reporter: well, willie i think first of all the way they're pitching him right on you of the gate here at this

event in texas. they will focus on his military bio. he'll be joined by marcus latrel and by the widow of chris kyle, the american sniper. but i think also it's pretty clear this time perry will have to workhad shadows. last time it was a huge flash. he shot to the top of the polls. this time he's just one in a huge field. and i think that presents both a challenge and an opportunity for him. it will be a challenge to get press coverage, it will be a challenge to tap out. but stand out, but he will have a little bit more space than some of the other people potentially. and have a chance to sell himself again to voters without day to day scrutiny of whatever mistakes he may abe making. >> also he had the stumbles out on the trail. we know in the debate stage and everything else. is that something he's concerned

about? i hate to say it, but he's been something of a running joke on the campaign trail last time. how does he fix that side of it. >> reporter: well, i think that they are highly aware of the challenges that he has to overcome on that front. he's essentially -- he became the butt of jokes on "saturday night live." they know that. they have done everything frommest threatfrom est et aesthetics, they put him in glasses, he's trying to study up on all the material. but they know he doesn't have much margin for error here and if he does come out of the gate and turn out to make a mistake similar to the one he made last time, this new presidential bid probably won't last very long. >> all right. he'll get a second chance and we'll have him on this show tomorrow. kasie hunt in texas for us. thanks. on the democratic side hillary clinton is headed to perry's home state of texas today where she will call for

nation wide early voting. in a policy speech at texas southern university, qulinclinton will call for early voting periods of at least 20 days in every state. she will also lend her support to democrats' lawsuits against republican enacted voting rules in states like ohio and wisconsin. what do you maketopics? >> it's ridiculous. >> why? >> just because. >> it's an issue. >> no. it's a state issue. and there is much ado about nothing. so why doesn't she talk about what she's going to do on income inequality in a meaningful way. why doesn't she put something specific out there. how is she going to stop too big to fail from getting even bigger. why doesn't she say whether she thinks the banks should be broken up. this is silliness. just a couple of cheap applause

lines. if she doesn't want people hounding her she needs to talk about things significant and actually take some chances. i don't think she will, too. >> well, i think at some point she's obviously going to talk about all those issue, but not many republicans really have either. and the voting issue i agree with you in a sense it's at the margin as an issue, but it's pretty important to democrats to get early voting, to get people able to vote. >> well, that's the silliness, though. we've heard for the past two presidential election cycles that the republicans are demons and that they have put bars up around all the voting booths and they are chasing down black people and other minor if iityies and doing everything they can to stop them from voting and darth vader is running around zapping anyone trying to vote. in the same states highest voter turnout that democrats could have dreamed for. and especially among the very minorities who everybody was

screaming just as a little political employ. fearmongering. the voting turnout was extraordinary among blacks and hispanics. so they do this every four years and then get much better turnouts than republicans do. >> i think they only did three or four of the things that you mentioned. not all the republicans. i'm kidding about that. but, joe, in fact there have been steps taken in a lot of states to make it harder on vote. yes? >> i tell you what if there have, they have been utter failures. you look at black voters and the percentages by which they voted in the last two presidential elections, and it's fairly extraordinary by modern standards. >> right but what the democrats fear is that the rules will get tightened, make it harder for those voters to vote.

>> no democrats were screaming this in '08, in '12, in 2000. they to it every four years. and it is a fearmongering routine to try to get people out to the votes and also you can drive, you know, your cable news ratings and drive your website ratings by trying to say this governor or that governor hates all black people and doesn't want you to vote. and then -- >> nobody says that. >> yes, they do. watch cable shows. and then at the end of the day, in 2008 and 2012, there is a higher percentage. and it's something we should all applaud. but after the election is over you never hear them going back and saying oh, wait i guess we were wrong there wasn't greater voter suppression here than ever before. there was a greater voter turnout than ever before from the very groups that we said were being disenfranchised. >> in 2008 and 2012, we had a higher black turnout fors

reasons that we all know very well. >> but all we heard in 2007 and 2008 and 2011 and 2012 was that the man was keeping black voters from going to the voting booth and it was a shame, it was an assault on our democracy. and you look at the numbers. sorry, it's just a matter of record. and i'm also sorry you look at the fearmongering, and the name calling that was used in 2007 and 2008 and 2011 and 2012, and then look at what happened with voter turnout, and you see that it was all a great ruse a bit of fearmongering to drive people out to the polls. >> but why should we not make it easier for people to vote? why should we not have early voting? why should we -- >> seems like an easy fix. >> i think that's up to the states however the states want to do it. i can tell you we've been talking about connecticut a lot. connecticut believes it's a civic duty and this is a blue state that went 65% for barack

obama i think this 2008. they believe it's a civic duty that if you want to vote if you care enough about voting you should go to the voting booth unless you're ill or out of state. you should go to the voting booth and vote on the day of the election. >> but i think there are much big are issues. if you're serious about getting people out to vote if you're a republican why would you vote in new york or california you know your vote is ir relevanceyevanty irrelevant. if you make the electoral vote proportional you would get more people voting. >> what if we just do i'm sorry, national popular vote? what's wrong with that? >> that's what richard said. >> he said make it more proportional. i'm saying do away with the electoral college completely. >> wouldn't go so well for the republicans. >> president al gore, you know. >> you'd have president al gore but one person one vote. >> maybe we now know why she's

chosen this issue to talk about. >> because it's a b.s. issue that democrats talk about every four years they end up getting the highest turnout ever? is that why? >> no, i think it's one of those issues that perhaps -- >> it's shameful. >> if it's a b.s. issue, why do you think the democrats talk about it? >> because it's a fear tactic to drive voter turnout up. you though you talk about photo i.d. and the disenfranchisement there have been so many studies done that shows there is less of a percentage difference between white voters disenfranchised and black voters. but we here and people will be writing today because i actually dwar to tell the dare to tell the truth about it, that unless you get them to this line and start marching around and saying white politicians are trying to disenfranchise black voters, that somehow you're

stand management the schoolhouse store. look at the numbers, look at the results. that would be like if somebody kept saying steve rattner is the worst invest are tore every for two years. >> now there, is a sound bite. >> nonstop. and then you do your end of the year earnings reports. you break all records. >> now we're talking. >> and then middle of next year, they start saying steve rattner is the ors worst investor ever. steve rattner can't invest his way out of a paper bag. and then at the end of the next year, you break all records again. i mean how long do you listen to those people saying that you're a bad investor? how long do you listen to those people who say that there is voter suppression going on out there? >> but you know, if i had early voting highed recovered would be even better. >> whatever. >> but it's not just about black

and white. we're living in a modern world and we still have people trooping down to the local school to go to these clunky voting machines that don't work. >> you think that's archaic? >> i t't think if somebody wants to be involved in the process, they should be able 20 go to their school or library or their local voting booth -- >> why should they have to? they should be able to but why should they have to. do you think a millennial would say this is really logical this is exactly the way out in silicon -- >> i'm not concerned about a millennial be able to be playing call of duty and get an envelope and check it off and send it back in. i'd like the made len yammialillennial to be part of the process, part of the american experience. yes, you do go to the voting booth. i expect my children do it. go to the voting booth and check

it off. >> we talked yesterday about how millennials don't watch linear tv like the rest of us so linear tv will change. so why should not the voting process adapt itself to the world and people's habits. >> i guess it depends on your view of what civic responsibility is. i think somebody should be able to take 15 20 minutes out of their day if they want to contribute to this country and make a decision on who will run this country. >> the man in charge says i'm not allowed to say anything else. >> oregon has gone to completely different way. i mean oregon is all you mail this everything. >> so let's me get one more story in here which should help bring this block to a close. facebook coo cheryl sandburg whose husband david goldberg died suddenly last month has been opening up publicly about the tragedy on her blog.

amazing things this she's written since the day he died. on the one month anniversary of her husband's death sandburg released a heart wrenching letter discussing her loss and the grief she's been coping rehema ellis with more. >> reporter: it went viral almost immediately. cheryl sandberg thanked friends for helping her pull through the last 30 days mourning the loss of her husband. the coo and mother of two shared what she learned about the grieving process. i think i got this all wrong before. i tried to assure people that it would be okay. thinking that hope was the most comfortable thing i could offer. she went on to say real empathy is sometimes not insisting that it will be ob, but acknowledging that it is not. when people say to me you you and your children will find happiness again, my heart tells me yes i believe that. but i know i will never deal pure joy again.

those who have said you will find a new normal but it will never be as good, comfort me more. because they know and speak the truth. she ends with a touching promise to her late husband to carry on for his sake and their children's and signs off, i love you, dave. >> i've been reading these since dave died. and i just feel like she's making such an impact for people who are in mourning and who have lost someone suddenly like she did. i always admired her with her efforts on lean in but this is a whole different level of connection with people. and i urge you to take a look at what she's written since she lost her husband. so brave and beautiful and i think what a legacy for her children. >> remarkable. still ahead on "morning joe," is the united states becoming a prescription nation? we'll look at why america is struggling to tackle its pain killer crisis. plus, former first lady barbara bush on the advantages of being

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joining us now nancy gibbs here to reveal the new issue of the cover story which takes a look at the america's pain killer crisis. and, wow which ones are we talking about? because i guess about 20 years ago, this seemed like a big issue. are we back? >> we're back because they're stronger than they were before. >> and more of them? >> more of them. for a long time doctors were reluctant to prescribe these for long term use because they were worried abouted a dwiks and then there were new studies that ugt issed that maybe that's okay and a lot of the drug companies were en encourageing doctors pain is a verse problem and needs to be treated. but these drugs are on strong.

opono, zohydro is approved even though the fda advisory board voted 11-2 not to approve it because they thought that the risk of addiction was too great. >> these are opioids? >> opioids obviously used correctly are a solution for chronic pain. but the longer you take them the greater the risk offed a ad addiction and getting off of them is unbelievably difficult. 80% of heroin addicts started with pain killers. >> i have a friend who i played in a band with had done everything under the sun and it was actually he told me i remember breaking down and crying and he got into prescription medication. he said i've beaten everything rehab four times. he said this will kill me. >> and warning of epidemics of hepatitis c and spikes in hiv of speem sharing needles.

so mike pence of all people conservative republican of indiana, approved a needle exchange ram. there is a huge epidemic from people who addicted to opioiden opioids and sharing needles. >> when we were in high school it was pot and now it's prescription pills. >> and a lot of it someone who goes in for back pain or a woman who had a c-section or someone in a car accident. the intention is not to be taking it long term. and there haven't been any studies about the risk of long term use because the fda says it would be unethical to do that study because who is the control group. if you have patients in pain you're going to tell them you're not allowed to take anything for a year so that we can have you for a control group.

>> so is the problem the nature of the drugs have a higher addiction rate or overprescription? >> it's a combination. part of the problem is injectable form and in fact there have been hundreds of millions of dollars in fines against some of the manufacturers. for misleading doctors about their safety and effectiveness. so i'm struck by even now on the campaign trail, some candidates are starting to talk about this. hillary clinton is running into this. and talking about the quiet epidemic. rand paul has introduced lens wlags to make medically assisted addiction treatment easier to get. carly fiorina's daughter had a pain killer rob before she died at 35. i think this is an issue you will start to hear about.before she

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it's about similarities. the approach senator graham takes and the approach i take. so i don't know if they're identical. we'll see it play out over time. but, yeah lindsey and i agree on a lot of issues. when i hear him speak on foreign policy, i find myself nodding my head. >> that was chris christie praising possible 2016 rival lindsey graham in south carolina. south carolina senior senator joins us now onset. >> yes. thank you, chris. >> it's really nice to have you on. >> nice to be on. >> first thing you said to joe, do you like it here? >> i said i love here. nobody likes me but that's okay. >> that's not true. >> so this is very exciting. running for president. how is it going out there? >> so far so good. i'm making the case and i'm best qualified to be commander in chief at a time when i think our national security is failing on

multiple fronts. people are very interested in about what i would do not just how much i think obama sucks. so i think at the end of the day, if you're running for president, you need to let go of the idea that everything obama's done has been wrong, so what are you going to do. i'm focusing on what lindsey graham would do. >> so what are you going to do? >> number one, i'm going to a the fight to isis. i'm going to rebuild our military. we're on a course to have the smallest army since 1940 smallest navy since 1915. i would take a regional approach here. i would take more troops into iraq around 10,000. i'd have more trainers adviserses a couple aviation battalions so we could wlib rate ramadi and mosul. get the arabs together and say, okay guys, we're going into syria. we'll take isil down and get rid of assad. you'll help us hold the territory. we'll give syrians breathing space and try to put the country back together again. they're large, rich entrenched, they're coming here.

if we done stop them -- i will pull the caliphate up by its roots. >> you have to stay there a long time. >> i don't know when we can leave, but we're not going to leave until it's safe for us to leave. i would leave troops behind in afghanistan not to have a repeat of iraq. i cannot tell the american people -- i know how to defend this country without some of us being deployed. they need us. this is our are war. here is the real question. is it just their problem or our problem. i think eye simisil is humanity's problem. it's our problem, too. >> but we have a country that seems to be pretty war weary. >> so you wouldn't vote for me. 1% of us have been doing the fighting for the last 14 years. they would go back tomorrow because they understand fighting them over there is better than them coming here. and you know what you may be tired of fighting them they're not tired of fighting you. so the last thing you want in these dangerous times is

somebody who is weary of defending this nation. i'm not weary. >> senator, so much of the american strategy of late has depended on the iraqi army being a willing and able partner in this fight. do you think the iraqi army is up to the task of partnering with us of defeating isis? >> not even close. you have to reconstruct the iraqi army sectarian army. same guys that bugged out of ramadi would fight to the death in baghdad because they're shiites. without some political cohesion, you're neff going to put iraq back together again. and the idea of partitioning doesn't make sense. most of the oil is in the south. so no sunni arab block will allow you to give the southern part of iraq to iran. so at the end of the day, there is only one way forward in iraq. rebuilding a political consensus, rebuilding the army and the only way you will do that is to have some of us over there because we're the glue that held that thing together. >> but there never was a political consensus. >> i disagree. >> when was there? >> in 2011.

ich i've been there a lot before in 2011 kurds, sunnis and shiites were working together in baghdad. hydrocarbon law. political progress was afoot, security was better and when we withdrew, everything fell apart. >> we talked about how things got much better in 2008 2009, 2010, but we also maliki. we threw our weight behind maliki, a guy sunnis were never going to trust because he was a hack. >> maliki went back to sectarian corners as the place fell apart. the same guy that went into deal with the shia militia. head of his own capacity. so echeshe was imperfect leader, but they actually do want to live together in peace. at the end of the day, only way we'll stabilize iraq is to deal with syria. the political progress that we

had going in iraq has beenaeneen lost. you lose the ability to talk to each other. but you'll never fix iraq until you deal with the safe havens. >> what evidence do you have that they want to live together in peace? >> you're not really following over there really well. by 2011 violence in iraq was down, everybody was talking about it including the obama administration. iraq had never been at a better place. and they were right. in 2011 iraq was on course to be a security prosperous nation political progress was a foot. the they had a ton of problems but everybody who predicted if we left no troops behind, it would fall apart -- >> i followed it -- we follow it every day and have since 2007. >> did you want troops to be left behind? >> i didn't want a huge portion to be left behind. >> would you have been okay with 10,000? >> 10,000 would have been fine

but i want to get back to what you were saying before. you said they all want to live together in peace. >> most of them. >> but them having to have either saddam hussein there to stop them from killing each other or the united states marines there to stop them from killing each other is not my definition of them wanting to live together in peace. i'm curious why you're resistant to the idea of breaking the country up and letting the kurds have -- >> absolute holy hell in the hid east. no sunni arab group will allow iran to dominate southern iraq where most of the oil is at. if you give kurds an independent state, you'll create a problem with turkey. there is no pathway forward for a fractured segmented iraq in my view. >> do we care right now about what turkey thinks if turkey is not willing to go in and help us fight this war? >> i care about making it worse. at the end of the day, there is no solution in my view by fragmentationing iraq that doesn't make it worse.

>> aren't kurds the only fighters that are actually fighting like -- >> they're not going to ramadi. >> so let them stay in kurdistan, let the sunnis stay in their territory and figure out a way. we can't figure out a way to have oil sharing revenue? can we not figure out a way to come up with a plan that gives the sunnis part of the oil supply? >> the surge worked. if you say it didn't, i'll take issue with you because in-the soldiers who made it work deserve the credit. security was better joe, political progress was moving forward. >> i agree. again, i say every day that it was a mistake to go in in 2003 it was a mistake to go out the way we went out. and hillary clinton made the wrong mistake both times. >> fair enough. >> but i just don't understand -- >> so what would you do with iraq? will. >> partition it. >> i think that's dead wrong. >> we have the kurds who

actually will fight for their property. not only in iraq but also going into syria. you can tell the saudis and tell the egyptians that they need -- >> what would you do in syria? >> we have to go into syria. there is no way forward with assad this power. >> absolutely. we agree on syria. who goes into syria?power. >> absolutely. we agree on syria. who goes into syria? >> we're not leading the way. we have a unified force that goes in. >> absolutely. dead right. >> but the arabs don't seem to want to go in. >> they will not follow an uncertain trumpet. obama has taken assad off the table because he doesn't want to hurt the iranian negotiations. so joe is right, if you don't take assad down you won't get any arab army behind you. >> but they will want us to commit troops to do that.

so you're talking about perhaps tens of thousands of troops to keep iraq together. >> 10,000. >> at least minimum, right, because as joe said it's a fractured -- and you need troops in syria and they will be there a very long time. >> gentlemen. >> gentlemen. >> and it will cost a lot of money. >> yes. >> and we're cutting domestic programs cutting r and t, increase r and sdchlt, increase the military budget. >> yes. the discretionary budget is not our problem. the 80 million baby boomers will retire in the next 20 years. i'm willing to sit down and be ronald ray began if i can find a tip o'neill. i will do revenue by cleaning up the tax code and sfwlatflattening out the tax code. if democrats can help me adjust the age of retirement. if you don't do that our economy becomes greece. >> steve, you agree with lindsey on that front. >> i do agree on that front. what i'm getting to is he's basically going out campaigning saying raise the military

budget, commit all these troops, but we'll still be cutting domestic -- >> you're not listening to what i'm saying. what drives debt is retirement of the baby boomers. >> i get that. >> you don't deal with that -- >> but that is an even more politically difficult issue. >> do you want to run for president just to do the easy things? >> yeah steve. come on, steve. >> you're smart. you can do this. >> let me say this -- >> i want to solve real problems like neighboringing ingmaking sure we don't get overwhelmed by islam. don't pass on more debt. and if you're not willing to do something like simpson-bowles, you shouldn't be running for president. >> here here. >> i was going -- >> hey, mika. >> i'm enjoying this. this issis fascinating. >> back to syria for one second. feels like you need a flow chart.

who are the good guys? >> most syrians are not radical islamist islamists. this thing started in tunisia when some guy set himself on fire. moved to egypt and eventually syria. here's what i would tell the american people. average syrian is not a radical islamist. they're not trying to replace assad with isis. terrorists filled in a vacuum created by withdrawal from iraq are usually not syrians. syrians and libyan people are not radical by nature. they need our help to restore security and try to come together. >> so you have militants, isis the assad government. you have to take all those elements out? >> and turn syria back over to syrians. average syrian doesn't wants a sad oig in power. he's killed 200,000 of his own people. nobody in syria bt wants isil except for a small minority. i'm glad secretary clinton and

miss rice told the president to go in and help libyan people to overthrow gadhafi because he was murdering his own people. it was a mistake not to follow up and create a security force, a police force to deny the made wlish shamilitias and terrorists. there is a fight for the laertheart and soul of islam. young people are not going to live in dictatorships any more to make life easy for me and you. the average young person in libya, syria, egypt is tired of growing up in a place where-- we need to take sides. i'm on the side of people who won't blow us up. i'm against the people who believe that their religion requires them to kill me, all the jews all the muslims an all the christians. >> okay. senator lindsey graham -- >> put that one on a bumper sticker. >> kill terrorists, go jobs. >> there you go.

we got it. his first butcher stickmp butcher sticker in '94, streets will sfwlood pflood. >> i appreciate you taking questions. >> you really have a very good show in the morning. you have some of the best sgess in morning television. i don't agree with you most of the time. when lizelizabeth warren has six people running depends her because she works with republicans too much you call me. >> okay. >> all right. thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. next we have dwepvhave deputy secretary of statistic tony blink p. he's made news. we'll ask him about those 10,000 dead members of isis when he returns. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big

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joining us now from the state department deputy secretary of state tony blinken. good to have on board. were you able to listen to senator lindsey graham's interview at all? >> i heard most of senator graham, yes. >> any response? >> i think there are large points of agreement but also areas where we disagree. but here is the bottom line. i just came back from paris. we had a meeting of the core group of the 62 country coalition that is formed to deal with the problem of isil in iraq and syria. and what we tried on to is take stock of where we are, what's working, what's not, where we've had progress, where we've had setbacks. and the company iskoe coalition is determined to get this right. >> is 10,000 isis deaths accurate? >> that's our best assessment, but i fully agree in and of itself that's not the metric.

what i was saying was that you have to look at everything that has happened in context. and this coalition has been together for nine months. we've made significant progress in iraq. isil controls 25% less territory than it did when this coalition got together. and as i also added, they have lost significant numbers of men and lots of material. and those things are important. but equally important is what the government of iraq is doing to be an effective partner on the ground and equally important are all these other lines of effort. stopping the foreign fighters from getting across border stopping them from signing up in the first place, dealing with the humanitarian situation and stabilizing communities that are newly liberated. all those things have to come together and work together and reinforce each other for us to be successful. that's exactly what we focused on in paris. >> this is willie geist. good to see you this morning. the president said in an interview a couple weeks ago that isis is on the defensive. shortly there after, ramadi fell. do you believe isis is on the defensive? >> in large parts of iraq it

is. but clearly ramadi was a setback. keep in mind this was a place under siege for 18 months. this is what is important. ramadi is in the province of anbar. and anbar is a particular situation in iraq because it is a predominantly sunni area. what the prime minister of iraq is doing, he's put on the table his cabinet has approved and now the coalition supports a plan to mobilize the sunni tribes in a much more efficient effective and significant way. bringing more of help into the fight. arming them more quickly. getting them the right kinds of information and training. and making sure that everyone is under a unified command. these are people who will fight for their communities for their towns, for their lives. they have a stake in it. and as we turn them into the fight in anbar i think you will see that turnaround, too. >> this is steve rattner. turning to syria again, there have been reports that assad has

been helping isis in syria push back rebels out of territory they control. is there truth to that and if so what's the strategy for turning that around? >> well, we've certainly seen assad take strikes in places like aleppo that are hitting first of all mostly innocent syrians, but also members of the moderate opposition. whether that's coordinated or in cooperation with isil we don't know. but what it underscores is this -- assad is not part of the solution. to the contrary, he's a big part of the problem. he's a magnet. he attracts the extremists, that's part of the reason they're coming to syria in the first place. there's an urgency to getting a political solution that moves assad aside. that's something else we focused on extensive will any paris. >> tony before you go how is secretary kerry doing in light of obviously, the bike accident, breaking his femur and the impact on ongoing negotiations with iran as well but first of all how is he doing? >> he's doing great. first of all, he was very much part of what we did in paris. he phoned in to the meeting and

kicked off the meeting because he was one of the co-hosts. second, i think we need the at&t family plan here at the state department because he's burning up the phone lines and our phone bills are going up significantly. so he is fully, fully, fully in place and leading our efforts across the board. and we will make any adjustments that we have too over the next couple of weeks. and while i've got you, can i just say on a different subject, i really wanted to say to joe and to you, mika i watched the remarkable tribute to beau biden and to vice president biden earlier this week. it was incredibly moving and very meaningful to those of us who care so deeply about the vice president and his family. so thank you. >> thank you tony. we appreciate that. beau a great man that we loved and great family and what a great public servant. what a great public servant. >> tony blinken, thank you very very much. >> thanks for having me.

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we have to find a way to wage piece. >> good morning. it's thursday june 4. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. >> hey, by the way -- >> heshe's trying to start the show. you want to do some scheduling stuff here? >> it's hard for me willie to think back to somebody that has been as bold in his announcement when he's running for president of the united states. i guess reagan in the 1980 with the statue of liberty behind time. that was a good one. jon huntsman when he went to the statue of liberty but a 30 mile an hour current swept the entire family into new york harbor. that was sort of encourage. lincoln chafee yesterday, willie geist. i gasp. he went there. gal dang it that man went

there. what hiddid he do? >> right out the gate. one of his opening lines is he announced his presidential campaign to run against hillary clinton, he said this. "here's a bold embrace of internationalism, let's join the rest of the world and go metric." >> sweet jesus. >> a bold endorsement of the metric system on the first day of the campaign. >> sweet jesus. >> where were you when you heard the metric speech? >> where do we find such men? >> we're going to hear an official announcement from jeb bush. >> oh good! i hope he's wearing green. >> we have political news. can i start this morning with president obama's -- >> willie and i would like to know what took you so long to get there. >> oh, my lord. >> i don't want to get this because it's negative about our president and -- >> i can wait. >> i didn't want a negative story about our president. >> thanks. >> go ahead. >> president obama is now viewed less favorable than former president george w. bush.

in a new cnn/orc poll the ex-president received a favorable rating from a majority of 52% of americans compared to 43% who see him in an unfavorable light. that puts push in a better position than president obama whose numbers are even at 49. their predecessors, bill clinton and george h.w. bush both received positive feelings from 64%. >> to explain, bill clinton did knock over a bank last night and that helped his numbers. >> also in the poll more and more americans are pessimistic about the president's handling of isis. 32% approving, 63% disapproving. a 14-point swing against the white house since february and press secretary josh earnest had this reaction. >> the president is not designing our strategy around this military conflict based on monthly poll numbers but he's doing it based on the national security interests of the united

states. that's what is going to continue to get our strategy. that's why the president believes it's not in our best interest to reinvade iraq to solve this problem. >> so he's at 49% where they don't look at in the terms of foreign policy. fair answer. what does this mean? >> it means absolutely nothing. >> okay we'll move on. >> i saw some programs that had this on last night, obama unpopular, blah blah blah. in this day in age, if you've been president of the united states for seven years in this divisive climate and you're at 49%, pat yourself on the back. i think those numbers are extraordinarily high. i said it extraordinarily high. as divided as the political class is in washington, d.c. george w. bush would love to have a 49% approval rating seven years in after all the divisiveness of the years and president obama's successor.

he could be 49% seven years in they would take it. willie, you know, the spin on this that somehow the president's numbers are dropping and blah blah blah. i mean compareing to george w. bush doesn't matter. that's like comparing a guy that has to go out and box in the boxing ring with somebody that boxed 20 years ago. it's irrelevant. >> when i looked at that number i thought 49% is as high as we've seen for a long time in president obama. to me the number that jumped out was bush's 52% because he was so low when you left office. but he's been gone a long time memories fade a little bit, the presidency is romanticized. so i'm not as stunned by those numbers as most people. >> you know what else bush has done is he's kept his mouth shut. she's shown the class and dignity of his father. i've never made it a secret over eight years, i wasn't a big fan of george w. bush's policies he did some things right but he was a big government republican, i

thought he heard the republican party, the conservative movement and the country. but as an ex-president he's shown dignity, kept quiet and i think a lot of people do appreciate it. >> to me the more interesting number was the second one we showed which was 32% of americans, only 32%, approve of the way the president is handling the fight against isis. if you look inside the cnn poll when you combine the fight against terrorism with the fight against isis which were put out into two separate items, americans are concerned about this issue right now and foreign policy will be at the center of this campaign. >> i was talking to a top democrat yesterday over lunch, huge fund-raiser for the democratic party and he was talking about the president's economic policy we were having debates over how we disagreed with it but then we turned to his foreign policy and he just gasped. the foreign policy is an absolute wreck. it's a nightmare. >> the isis situation is vexing and everyday there is a headline i'm looking across at the first paper i see "isis

making political games" in the "new york times." secretary of state tony blinken praised american-led air strikes for killing more than 10,000 isis fighters but defense officials tell nbc news that blinken's comments were not supposed to be made public and the remarks come months after the pentagon said body counts were "simply not a relevant figure." that as former cia director and retired army general david petraeus is offering a grim picture of the current u.s. effort to defeat isis. >> isis is clearly a threat to the united states, to our allies and partners around the world and, of course very much in the region where it's fomenting instability violence and so forth far just beyond iraq and syria. it's also into north africa it's even trying to recruit in afghanistan and pakistan. >> are we winning or losing at this moment? >> well, you know, these are fights where if you're not winning you're probably losing because time is not on your side. >> and we are not winning.

>> it's arkable in iraq. we will win again in iraq. i think iraq can be handled. i think it can be kept intact. we've got to do more in syria and this is already a lock war, it's become longer because of the advent of the islamic state and we have to recognize that. and we have to be in it. >> >>. >> one question about david petraeus, why was the government pushing him around instead of saying "will you please put on the uniform and go back over there?" this is the guy that did more to bring peace to iraq than anybody else. we had one journalist after another journalist talking about how in '08, '09 and '10 they hated americans and they hated george w. bush but they would

have put statues up of david petraeus all across the country because they saw how much he did to bring stability there. i just wonder when you have somebody -- >> it's incredibly complicated and i think there were issues about information being released inappropriately. i mean that's -- >> yeah do you want to win a war or do you want to try to make a political point? i want to win a war. >> it's not about politics. >> it was about politics. i want to win a war. and david petraeus give him a slap on the wrist, send him on his way and get him back in there helping us win a fight that is -- >> certainly his insight is incredibly valuable. >> it is. and willie this is a guy that took a country that was in absolute chaos and came up with a strategy to bring peace to iraq. the fact that we are not using him actively reminds me of george w. bush ignoring colin powell powell's advice after colin powell fought the same war ten

years earlier in iraq. >> he was given a relative slap on the wrist for leaking that material to his mistress. he got probation and a fine. he's out there. >> use him. >> if they want to consult with him -- maybe they are and we don't know it. i think they would be wise to ask what he did right in iraq for that period of stability that he helped bring. >> let's get to politics, there's a lot to cover including interesting polls on inequality and how much people care about that issue. >> i care. >> and look at the front page of the "wall street journal" "america is in search of its pay raise." wages are so stagnant and it's what the candidates want to find a way to effectively hone in on. >> the thing is i know you will go to -- we've got to raise the minimum wage argument out of that. >> that's one, not what i was thinking. >> that's the wrong way to look at it even though you can be in support of raising the minimum wage. we have to figure out a way to create policies that help grow

jobs. you look at connecticut, they pass that budget and the budget's higher taxes that will drive more businesses out of the state, that's going to lower revenue which is is going to mean they'll have wages lower which had means they raise higher taxes. it's a vicious cycle. >> so are the big companies going to leave? >> we shall see. they passed a compromise late last night which is deplorable. but we'll see what happens. everybody goes let's go ahead and force a minimum wage hike. that will's short circuiting an entire process that create this is false sense of security that ends up hurting companies lower. >> there are a lot of companies that are willingly raising their minimum wage. even some to $15 an hour. >> and that's the way it should be because it's the market that is pushing them to do that. >> on this point, last night the l.a. city council passed a $15

minimum wage inside the city for city workers and a year later small businesses will have to follow. so we'll have a good laboratory to see if it works. >> other cities are doing the same thing. so its time is coming. this has been a joke. >> and by the way, if cities can raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and then we look at the economy a year or two years fro from now and there's been no impact. in fact, it's been a positive impact. i'll be the first to cheer. right now, though we have a pretty tough economy and hiking $15 an hour has real world impact on a lot of these small business owners fighting to keep their doors open. >> these candidates can impact this conversation for sure. six months after he launched his presidential exploratory committee, former florida governor jeb bush is ready to decide -- but not today. >> that's great. >> bush announced that his

decision will come on monday june 15. >> you can't read this straight so i'm going to. >> yes, i can. >> on monday he can still collude -- >> you can't handle the truth. >> he's skipping a -- >> i want the truth. you got the truth and now you can't handle the truth. a spokeswoman tells the tampa bay "times" that the great governor picked miami-dade college as the location in a nod to his passion, mika. >> i believe he has passion for education policy. >> this kind of gets me a little emotional. for education policy. rick perry, another guy we love around this set is going to launch his second bid for the white house in a few hours. >> all right. that's good. >> dude, i love that guy. willie, do we not love rick perry. >> he's on our show tomorrow. >> i love that guy. >> he's a nice guy. >> what do you think i said i love him 12 times? >> on the democratic side hillary clinton is headed to perry's home state -- >> what's that about? >> well, there's nobody else. there's bernie, there's maybe -- but we've got to get a team going.

>> there's o'malley. chafee. we got chafee talking about the metric system mika what else do you need? you have a socialist running. you have to -- you have a socialist democrat running. that's your dream. >> i'd like to see biden jump in. >> i would love to see joe biden jump in. >> i know it's a very hard time. >> i would love to see joe jump in. john kerry ought to consider it. >> yes, he should. apparently he's like working around the clock right now. >> i think john kerry should run for president. i think the more the merrier. i wish al gore would consider jumping back in. >> come on now. >> you don't like al gore because he had a beard? >> no. >> are you a beardophobe? >> she just hates the environment. >> hillary will call for nationwide early voting. that's something she wants to -- >> why does mika hate -- well everybody. >> i don't. i just want to see a real race

with a real conversation. i want to see hillary get better and she doesn't get better if there's no one -- >> you don't seem like to jeb. you don't like hillary. you are a grumpy gus. >> no i'm not -- >> who's the one democrat you'd love to see jump many other than elizabeth warren. >> biden. >> oh i'd love to see biden. i'd love to see him jump in. >> experience. come on. still ahead on "morning joe," they're calling it k-10. it's been nearly a decade since hurricane katrina and new orleans mayor mitch landrieu is here to discuss the recovery and the continued challenges facing the big easy. plus they was savior of america's world cup hopes again and again and again. goalkeeper tim howard reflects on his record-breaking performance in brazil and his remarkable life off the field as well. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. here's a little healthy advice. eat well live well,

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the "los angeles times," the anthrax scare we first told you about last week is trice as bad as the pentagon initially claimed. officials are saying that an army testing facility in utah mistakenly sent live samples to up to 51 labs in 17 different states plus washington, d.c. the anthrax was also sent to australia. >> this is crazy. >> the anthrax was also sent to canada. >> stop it. >> and the anthrax was also sent to south korea. at least 31 people are being targeted for possible exposure. most are d.o.d. employees in south korea. so far there are no confirmed

cases of infections. the pentagon says the investigation is under way to determine the scope of the problem but warns that it could expand in the coming days. >> oh my. >> my hope is they will take homer simpson off the anthrax shipping line. [ laughter ] >> who was in the mail room that day. >> some of those packages were sent fedex. they just dropped anthrax in the fedex pouch. >> are you kidding? >> true story. let's go to the "new york times." cbs polls are showing a strong majority are showing wealth should be more evenly divided in the united states. >> this is what i was talking about. >> 57% said the government should do more to reduce the gap between rich and poor including 34% of republicans and 81% of democrats and this brings us to the world of renown rattner charts. some of the things we've been talking about on the epic tax battle in connecticut which is indicative of a national issue, a national debate a national

problem. steve, let's look at the charts. >> let's start with -- connecticut is the focus but let's look at the whole country and a study by the tax foundation of what were the 10 highest tax states what were the 10 lowest tax states. the higher tax states are here in yellow and you can see that they're clustered in the northeast, they're clustered in the upper midwest, and, of course, you have california we can't forget california. >> so you've got in the northeast you've got new york vermont, connecticut, of course massachusetts, rhode island and new jersey. but live free or die, baby. >> yes, live free or die. >> new hampshire is the example, thank god, a state that doesn't have a state income tax or a business tax, right? >> that is correct. but if you look at these lower tax states, wyoming does not have a state income tax or business tax, florida does not have a state income tax and so you see that that these midwestern rocky mountain states are at the low end of the

spectrum. >> so what's the impact? . so if you look at the next chart you can see some of the impact which is here we've taken the 10 states and group it had top ten and the bottom ten, connecticut, rhode island all those places in the bottom ten, rockies mountains are in the up 10er. on unemployment there's a reasonably significant difference. the higher tax states have four tenths of a percent more of unemployment. if you look at the growth rate which is very important. >> yeah, the growth rate is the real difference here. >> it's 1.7%. so two-thirds of the growth rate in these higher tax states. and it's also true in fairness that the higher tax states still have a somewhat higher income because these are wealthy states. these are where connecticut, new york, new jersey, a lot of business people, a lot of hedge fund people and folks like that live. >> let's go to the next chart where you talk about how high taxes are hurting connecticut. >> so here we've taken a few states that would be of interest to our viewers. florida which is the number five

state, new hampshire which is number seven, texas number ten and then two of the higher tax states and you can see that connecticut has a 6.3% unemployment rate. if it has -- >> look at new hampshire. right by in the the same region 6.3% for connecticut, new hampshire, which has low taxes and low regulations only a 3.8% unemployment rate. just two states over. >> so let me give you a couple other stats. connecticut was one of only six states that lost population last year. >> can you believe it? >> according to the gallop poll over half of connecticut's residents would if they could. by comparison only 4% of the people in new hampshire. so you can see some of -- >> and let's go to the growth rate here. i think this is the most important thing you see on taxes, the impact of high taxes. connecticut's growth rate is less than 1%. florida's is 2.2%.

again, another one. texas is 3.7%. and then of course new york also with that horrific tax situation less than 1%. >> so connecticut was the tenth-slowest growing state in the country last year and over the last four years it has grown at 0.42%. >> isn't that amazing for you? a guy -- talk about how connecticut has changed over the past 20 years. >> i was about to say. connecticut has only had a state income tax since 1991. and i remember as a young banker many of my friends moving to connecticut because taxes were lower and somehow, and you would know more abouten this this than i, over the last 20 years, it has become a high tax high cost state. >> lowell weicker passed a state income tax and all of the people with money and small businesses that wanted to rush up to connecticut stopped rushing up to connecticut. and in this region just imagine if connecticut had no state

income tax right now like they did in 1991 with the high taxes in new york, the high taxes in new jersey imagine the flight of businesses investors that would happen going up to connecticut. >> well, i can tell you one thing that's happening when people of my age and my profession which is a lot of them are moving to florida. florida has no income tax. >> florida is the new connecticut because i can tell you so many people in my business say hey, i'm moving to your state. >> why not? >> and they figure out a way to be in new york. >> exactly. >> and they take up residence in florida. they have 0% state income tax. so while i pay 55% of everything i make straight off the top to the government you go down to florida, you're paying 35 fokt 39% in taxes. >> your only conditions slags that when you move from new york to connecticut your taxes went down a little bit. >> up next lee gallagher is here to reveal the brand new

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ranked by gdp. >> and now they're talking about going online staying one step ahead, right? >> they are. new ceo doug macmilan is trying to infuse walmart with a silicon valley metabolism. that doesn't mean necessarily what it would mean at facebook but they are pushing things -- >> are they going to take on amazon. >> they have been been trying to take on samson for a long time. amazon has changed every retailer in existence. especially walmart. >> that's $1.3 billion in sales everyday. everyday. >> they're making so much. >> leigh, are they making very good profits? >> well they've had a couple years of flat or even negative same-store sales growth which is the key indicator in retail. he has his challenge cut out for him. but he's taking a lot of steps and they want to be what's called omni channel, which is not just about being available online, being available everywhere, you can buy online pick it up in the store. they want to be everywhere. >> number two, exxonmobil. >> exxonmobil. there's always a lot of oil

companies on this list. >> is now a good time to be an oil company or bad? we heard two years ago it was great. now we hear brian not so great. what's going on? >> depends on what you do. i go to texas all the time for my show. it depends on which part of the business you're in. if you're selling gasoline on the merit parkway in connecticut, you're good. we're finding margins are high. if you're pulling oil out of the ground, not good. >> bad in north dakota where we heard those great success stories? >> it was sad because it's such a boom. but now the boom -- i don't want to say a bust but it's rolling over. >> why is it down? >> there's too much oil. we're producing 9.5 million barrels a day, all time high for the united states. saudi arabia has an all-time high production at 10.5 million barrels aa day. iraq is 3.4 million. the world is awash in oil. >> on the demand side too, it's coming down. >> you know what americans are doing with their gas price savings? >> what? >> driving more.

driven miles are up 505-%%. >> but exxon used to be number one. >> chevron number three, another oil company. number four old steady. >> berkshire hathaway warren buffett, he's still there. >> geico. >> there aren't that many changes, but we have a new come cvs health. but when you look at the bigger broader trends in the 500 over the years, it's interesting. for example, this year facebook moves up 100 spots which is huge. and we have a lot of interesting newcomers like expedia, netflix is on for the first time. salesforce.com. you can see the broader shifts. >> so apple doing darn well without steve jobs. >> apple is doing great. if we ranked this list by market value, apple would be number one by far. >> apple is twice as big on a market cap basis as the next biggest company. we talked about europe possibly breaking up because greece owe this is money and they can't pay it. apple has $195 billion in cash

mika. they could pay greece's debt that we're all stressed about with .8% of their cash. they could solve greece's entire national debt crisis. >> they ought to buy greece. let's talk about cvs health. they banned cigarettes. and look their top ten. >> exactly. a great example of how a leadership move -- >> cvs health? >> they bought a company and changed the whole thing. >> so they qualify. >> there's a newcomer on the list. is this a trend of things to come? in the top ten? >> well, i think it's a sign of what's important and they replaced interestingly, valero in top 10. >> a refining company. >> so you see these movements. health up energy down. it's the way the world works: all right. the "fortune" 500 -- >> where would connecticut be on that list joe. >> well isn't ge based in connecticut? >> ge is on there.

although they may leave, right? >> no don't leave. >> they may. they keep making taxes higher and higher. >> 42nd in the business. i've been listening to you in the morning. 42nd in the business friendly index, fifth highest corporate tax rate of any state in the united states, connecticut. 9.95%. >> and the most stunning thing, i love this state, but about 50% of people inside the state would leave if they could but they can't because they can't sell their houses because the economy has flat lined. >> a lot of big insurance companies in connecticut. >> i know. and now they're raising taxes again. >> and a startup sports network is based here. >> that's what i hear. >> how faith is helping soccer star tim howard both on and off the field. and how will the fifa scandal impact his sport? plus new orleans mayor mitch landrieu on how his city will mark ten years since hurricane katrina. and what does he think of governor bobby jindal possibly running for president? we'll be right back. superpower. surprised?

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goes on de browner, the a header and tim howard. joins in again from left back. tim howard's legs. he can't hit them howard looking for a solo go. tim howard again. azar again tim howard. howard. de browner, tries to turn it. tim howard scrambles it behind. >> just throw yourself at it. >> it's a shame that you didn't have a great game on a big stage. that's a glimpse of our next guest, record-breaking performance during last summer's world cup when u.s. goalkeeper tim howard made an incredible 15 saves against belgium and single-handedly kept us in that

match. the soccer star is out with his autobiography "the keeper a life of saving goals and achieving them." tim joins us now. first of all, i'm a liverpool fan, sorry about that. how do we start with anything other than the news about sepp blatter which was single-handedly the most shocking and yet the most obvious thing that he would finally get busted for corruption but you never believed it would happen right? >> i didn't think it would happen. he almost seemed untouchable. that's the persona he gave off. but it's good for the world of soccer that he's stepped down and that there will be an investigation and some things that need to come to light will. >> every four years it's so hard. world cup comes up and i'm trying to explain to my friends, come watch this. blah blah and they sit and look and learn more and more about fifa and they're like what's with this sport? how could the world's biggest sport be run by a bunch of thug

thugs? how did that happen? >> over a long period of time with lots and lots of money. it's global game. what people need to recognize is the game is a beautiful thing. obviously at the top level there's politics like in everything else but the game is pure for sure. >> there have been people that have talked for years 30, 40 years, pele comes to new york soccer will get big, the world cup comes to america, soccer's going to get big. it never happened. you've got to be able to feel it though, now, right? over the past four or five years? >> particularly with this last world cup. americans travelled in record numbers down to brazil. you saw what it was like in new york and the major cities. i think soccer is relevant again. it's hard to sustain it. >> you guys had the worst draw. they announced you were in the northern part of brazil you weren't in rio, you were way north and americans were still there en masse, right? >> we had to travel if furthest and we were in some of the hottest cities but it just goes to show that the americans won the seeded team and they got behind us. >> i'm learning new things about

you from this book. you're pretty private. except in the book you open up about being a hyperactive child. with tourette's syndrome. >> yeah. >> how did you overcome and defy the odds to be such a success? >> i think i used it to my advantage i had a great family good set of friends. i never had too much trouble as a kid. >> how challenging it was hyperactivity? how did it exhibit itself? >> well i needed to be running around all the time. >> all the time. i have one of those. i had a brother like that. >> so do i. >> but that probably drove your success in a way. literally, that's what you ended up doing. >> yes. >> but the tourette's angle of it, we see so many ceos that suffer from really serious either adhd or dyslexia and they are the best ceos. what is the link there? >> i think there is one. >> i think there is. there's certain -- for me the concentration level, as much as i was hyperactive when i got on the field it allow today in focus. >> talking about the importance of your christian faith.

you talked about blessing your life. talk about how faith has got you through a lot of challenges. >> faith is a personal thing to everybody and to me it's a daily walk with god and with christ and i don't use that faith just in tu times i try and express in the the good times. as professional athlete, i have had many of boths. >> what kind of challenges do you have personally being so far from home when you're living in liverpool for the year? >> it's far away from family and friends and it's never easy. i want to get back when i can but the season is so gruelling that you have to carve out time. >> how did you find time to write the book? what was that process like? >> it was lengthy in a very short period of time. i spent probably the month of august getting together all my thoughts and putting them down. it was intense and i enjoyed. >> it how big can mls get? we keep adding teams. are you going to be like the new new york football club goalkeeper at some point?

>> i don't know. i've got three years left of my contract at everton so that's home for now. but mls is great and the more teams and better players we can get, it's growing. it's great. >> so for everton fans you guys had a great year last year. i think you've got one of the best coaches in all of football but you had a rough year. liverpool had a rough year everton had a rough year. i have no idea how man u ended up as high up as they did. what happened to everton this year? how do you turn it around the next campaign? >> well we have no divine right to finish anywhere you have to earn that each year and we've got a good group of guys, a brilliant manager but we just -- we came up short this year in some areas. i feel like the core of the team is strong so we need to come back and play to our potential like we did last year. >> the book is "the keeper" now available in paper back. tim howard thanks. so good to have you back on the show. >> great to have you here. thank you and good luck.

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new orleans is doing great, i would say. it's not where it needs to be definitely. but i think after something as heartbreaking as katrina was, to see people coming back with smiles on their faces it shows how strong we are, how resilient we are. i think we found something deep within us that helped us to fight harder and never give up. >> that was a portion of the official launch video of "katrina 10." it's a celebration marking the 10th anniversary of hurricane katrina hitting new orleans. joining us now, the mayor of new orleans, mitch landrieu. good to have you on the show today. that was such a crushing blow to every part of the structure of

the city. how are we doing ten years later? >> we're doing great. we're doing much better. first of all, it's a commemoration. we lost 1800 of our fellow citizens. 250,000 homes destroyed. we haven't seen a catastrophe of this size in this country in a really really long time. but the ten-year anniversary is a look back to remember those we lost but it's also a celebration of resurrection and redemption. it's an unbelievable story of a great comeback city. >> and what have we learned since katrina? >> well we learned a lot of stuff. first of all new orleans is a canary in the coal mine. we are an organic part of the country. you saw right after katrina and rita hit, the bridge collapse in minneapolis, sandy came it got to be an issue of is the country ready? are we resilient? are we prepared for natural disasters, unanimous-made disasters, terrorist attacks. that's one. the second is how to rebuild a community that got complete will i destroyed. and you do it with vertical integration, with the

faith-based community, entrepreneurs, businesses, the public and private sector work together and you keep going one step at a time. >> unfortunate will a big part of that story as they were covering it everyday for two, three month, was poor leadership on the local, state, and national level. how much did poor leadership contribute? >> i think in some instances you would see post-september 11 post-katrina all the things where there wasn't clear command-and-control, good communication, you're always going to have problems. that's what the company has to learn. we've learned that lesson well. so think about new orleans. we had to respond to september 11 because we were a tourism economy. then we had katrina rita ike, gustav, the national recession and the b.p. oil spill. and the fact that new orleans is not only stand, but people are moving in, reorganizing our health care delivery system it's unbelievable. >> talk about those two, health care and education. how much better is the educational system today than ten years something that. >> a lot better.

before katrina most of our kids were in failing schools. now we've transformed our education system. we've rebuilt or are in the process of physically rebuilding every school. 85% to 90% of our kids in charter schools, graduation rates are up dropout rates are down. we have a ways to go but it's dramatic change. >> and what about your health care delivery system? we saw documentaries of nightmare scenarios. >> we had a fairly centralized health care delivery system. this happened right before obamacare and the major national transitions were taking place. but we kind of got ahead of the rest of the country and moved into primary care clinics, feeding more central locations. we're building two major medical centers in downtown new orleans, one being built by the v.a. one being built by the university medical center we think will allow us to do really good things. our state is one of the states that did not accept madeedicaid so we're struggling through that we're struggling through the conflict congress is having over the affordable care act but we here in a better position we're

in. >> talk about the delicate dance between -- you talked about the b.p. spill and people say you have to end offshore drilling. you can't. people don't realize that new orleans and louisiana is an oil and gas economy. the offshore oil drilling is huge for your city and state. how do you protect the environment but keep jobs? >> well you have to put this in context. first of all people said about new orleans let them go someplace else. the fact is we produce most of the oil and gas for the rest of the country. i think oil and gas production is good. people are going to keep driving, we need fossil fuels and we need to make sure to keep drilling. we have to make sure we drill safely and make sure that to the extent that we destroy anything that we replace it so there's a clear balance and those of us in louisianaedly we've found the balance. it shifts from time to time but that's where the debate is. >> there's also contributions from programs, one we've worked with on "morning joe," 10,000 small businesses, i think about four years ago you had your first graduation in new orleans, 30 business owners that helped

contribute to the comeback of the city. we're going down joe, mark your calendar, on august 28. >> we'll be there. >> going to do a big show marking the ten-year anniversary of katrina but looking at what 10,000 small businesses have -- >> it's about job growth. the other thing is the philanthropic to business partners that we've had. lots of folks. the story of new orleans, everybody coming together speaking together with one voice, everybody putting in assuming responsibility taking opportunity and singularly focused on getting the city back up on its feet. >> we look forward to seeing it. >> well thank you. >> mayor mitch landrieu thank you. >> i'll wear green next time i come. go tulane. >> yes, by the way, i know someone who really liked tulane happens to be a daughter of mine looking at college. >> love to have her. >> special events planned in new orleans this summer got to

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time to plan a road trip. people say it's more rocking than it was before katrina. that's saying a lot. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, "the rundown" starts right now. and welcome the run down i'm jose diaz-balart. in boston investigators begin laying out the case that led them to the deadly confrontation on 26-year-old samusaama rahim on the day the feds believed he was going to launch an attack on law enforcement. >> this was very real very dangerous and what unfolded on tuesday morning could have saved not only police officers' lives but who knows where this could have went otherwise also. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams has the latest. pete? >> jose good morning. boston police and the fbi say they stopped the man at the center of this plot as he was