david wright, a another suspect, faces federal conspiracy charges. rahim also discussed fantasies to behead pamela geller. geller is the blogger best known for anti-islam activism and support for cartoon depictions of the prophet mohammed. geller responded to the alleged threat this morning. >> have you thought, maybe i went too far? this wasn't worth it. i'm going to change how i do what i do now. >> drawing a cartoon, an innocuous cartoon, warrants chopping my head off? that's too far? i just don't understand this. they're going to come for you too, chris. they're coming for everybody. >> joining me by phone is senior writer from boston.com hilary sergeant. thank you for hopping on the phone. i know the press conference is to start any minute now. what do we expect to hear from the family today? >> i don't think we have a great idea of what we expect to hear from the family.

we heard from the brother of usaamah rahim, who adamantly a couple of days ago stated his mother was shot in the back. that appears to have been disproven by the video by a business nearby. but i don't think we have a good idea of what we're going to hear today from the family. >> so you refer to the video and that seems to be a sort of argument or debate over what actually is captured on it. we hear that community leaders have seen it as of what we know right now, the family has not. is that right? >> yeah. i know we know whether or not the family has seen it or they're coming after just having seen it. this is something suffolk county district has done in recent memory in boston. there was a gentleman who shot point-blank a police officer a month or two ago. and they did take the same

approach. i think it's a transparent approach and it's an approach specifically designed to put the community at ease and not spark an outcry. so it appears that's what they're doing now and they did the same thing then by showing the video to the family and members first, then to the media. >> can you tell us about the community? specifically rozlyn dale. for those who don't know boston can you give us a general profile of the area? >> it's actually not a town. it's a neighborhood within the city of boston. it's a pretty mixed community. i would say largely kind of middle class blue collar community with sort of areas that are pretty gentrified but it's not at all considered a dangerous community. it actually happens to be the part of boston in which i live several blocks away. so, you know i think it's as surprising as it would be in any boston community that this happened here. it's certainly not something

that the residents of rozlyndale would expect. >> we know the press conference is due to start any minute now. what effect is this having in boston? we just heard that dzhokhar tsarnaev is receiving the death penalty. how is the community at large reacting to all of this? >> yeah i mean look. i think like anything, it's a little hard to tell from a reporter's perspective, the extent to which people are aware of this. i think it's as though we were sort of breathing out after a couple of years of holding it in. boston is not a city that sort of has an expectation of this i think, in the way that new york does. yeah, to have something like this happen on the heels of tying up the ends of the tsarnaev trial is jarring. i think the question is, you know, what's next?

you know, is this just the way things are going to be? or not? >> hilary sergeant with boston.com. thank you for your time. columnist from the daily beast. dean obadala. this involves the threat of decapitation of pamela geller as avowed anti-islamist. and a radicalized violent extremist. i wonder how do we react to this? story? >> i think we should put it in context. you have, you know, two men in boston now who are apparently radicalized from what we see, from what's online the postings with the fbi intercepted in their phone calls. i think we have to understand, isis is trying to recruit muslims. daily. hourly, almost. they use different sales pitches, interviewed several

experts for the daily beast. it's very very it concerns me as a muslim that they are being affected. the muslim community has to stand united against isis. because isis wants to pick off our brothers and sisters to kill themselves or to die. and make the lives and killings of people and cause a backlash to our community. innocent muslims. >> you want us to focus on isis and not let's say, i mean pamela geller in all of this. >> to call pamela geller anti-islamist, she's an anti-muslim activist who made racist comments. >> she is doctored to make her look like a nazi. she is called health care reform an act of national rape. she's a condescendial figure. she said they want to behead me because of cartoons. react to that. >> i saw that and i thought, well, yeah.

it's a cartoon. but we know and have known for a very long time that cartoon depictions of the prophet mohammed are incendiary. why would you go out of your way to insult a religion people? and, you know, she drives me crazy in the way that -- >> i think she's a very uncomfortable person to find herself weirdly defending or not. >> no, no, no. >> or prosecuting. >> i am not defending pamela geller one bit. i think what she did was harmful, it was dangerous, and she's playing games with people's lives here. not just the people she put in harm's way by doing this a few weeks ago, but, you know, we're talking about a situation here where you have the united states that's trying to fight all these battles in the middle east at war and covertly and it's coming here as we're seeing what we're

talking about in boston. and already, the department of homeland security is worried about lone wolfves and things like that. pamela geller all you need is to have her do something she did, saying on the set "we're just talking about cartoons" to being something infinitely more -- >> let me bring in the director of the penn america center. thank you for joining us. you come in at a perfect time in the conversation. which is do we need to defend pamela geller? >> we need to defend her right to speak, to depict to publish cartoons showcase cartoon. i don't think we need to defend her motives, necessarily, her tone, her tenor, the broad brush that she draws, often being heard to target all muslims. whether she intends to or not. i think that's where it becomes

offensive, where it's labeled hate speech by the southern poverty law center. we don't need to defend that. >> you can defend one part but not the other? if you're offering a defense, you're offering a defense. context of course matters, but at the end of the day, you're basically saying yes, we need to defend pamela geller. >> i do. i think she has the right to depict cartoons of the prophet mohammed. is it something i would do personally? no. but does she have the right to do it in the united states? yes. is it important to defend those outer bounds of free speech? for good reason. we don't want to go out there. she does go out there and i think it is important that territory be defended. the fact that some people are willing to use guns and violence to narrow the terrain for free speech, that's something we have to reject. >> how do you react? you are a muslim american. >> these men, the guys and girls in texas killed trying to go in

and these two here especially the one killed they were not at home saying i can't believe you drew the prophet mohammed. i'm going to go out there. the guys in texas had already pled guilty to lying to the fbi. >> but they wanted to decapitate pamela geller because of what she was doing. >> for what she was doing but they would have tried to kill policemen at the same time. these want press and attention for their grievances. i think she has a right to draw. defending the right for americans the freedom of expression and defending pamela geller is two different things. defend a right to speak horrible things but not giving a free pass to the clan leader. we can defend her right to do it. >> i defend her right to free speech but i have the right to condemn her vigorously and frequently as possible. >> there's another aspect to this, sort of complicating

things which is glen greenwald and others have criticized the media for being less skeptical of killing like the one in boston if the suspect is muslim. we sort of accept that the police were doing it for the right reasons, whereas we're not much skeptical when it's not a muslim. and tweets 14 years after 9/11 law enforcement can kill someone in the street suggest they were part of a quote, terrorist network, and the media will just move on. i wonder if you think that's fair. i think the outreach the fact community leaders saw the video and said look we agree with the police generally in terms of the description of events. do you feel like this do you think, like, the killing of muslim americans is different than black americans? >> wow. well, given what you just said not in this particular case. but i do as an african-american, am sensitive to depictions of police action

when it comes to communities of color. and how the presumption is always if the person who is dead in the street is african-american or fill in the blank person of color, the presumption is that the law enforcement did the right thing. very sensitive to that. when the community comes out and says, hey, look. we've got video tape. we saw what happened. i feel better about what's being said. like you said before to suzanne, context does matter here. >> just briefly, the police treat differently muslims who might commit a crime versus non-muslims who might be involved in horrific acts. two weeks ago, a guy charged by the fbi for plotting to go to new york state. slaughter muslims. i beg people to cover this story. they didn't go up there with guns.

>> i would also say for a terrorist network, is that two people or one. we have to leave it there. hang with me. after the break, rick perry 2.0. governor oops. asks america for a second chance. plus, hillary clinton laufrmgnching on offensive on the voting rights. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?

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if you are eagerly awaiting rick perry's return to the national stage, today's proudly patriotic terrific texan splendidly sweaty announcement did not disappoint.

rick perry's own country/rap theme song. >> ♪ i like to vote ♪ ♪ hang me if you want ♪ ♪ love me if you can ♪ >> that really happened. and then rick perry called rand paul's favorite band, chum chumbawumba. >> our people always move forward. we will do it again. >> alas maybe it was the incredible heat in that airplane hangar. the sweat pouring off everyone on stage. the candidate himself sweating through his shirt. but rick perry could not make it through his speech without flubbing a key line about his presidential intentions. >> there is nothing wrong in america today that a change in leadership will not make happen.

>> rick we missed you, and while rick perry tries to reboot, jeb bush is not unintentionally stealing a little thunder saying he'll announce on june 15th. six months when he was actively exploring a presidential bid. hillary clinton is boldly on to texas turf. speaking right now in houston where she's expected to call for expanded voting rights under threat in the lone star state. professor katrina beltran, and editor in chief of the texas tribune, evan smith. before we start this conversation, i apologize to you all. we have to go now to a press conference for the terror suspect killed earlier this week. just started speaking. let's listen in. >> i think it's reckless they would be out here in the parking lot shooting. on the part of the officers. i think it was foolish on the part of the young men, if he did

wield the knife, it was very foolish. my name is abdullah farouq. i'm very concerned for our public safety. our public safety. as i saw in the film the other day, there was a school bus going by. in the morning, 7:00 in the morning. a school bus. and it was a yellow car. it was 7:15 in the morning. that's when the children go back and forth to school. i think their approach was very reckless and led to the young man's death. i think the young man might have put his head in the jar of a lion and got it crushed. the family is trying to arrange for his burial arrangements, which we're hoping it will be tomorrow. and they just called me and said, was i here yet? said i was struggling to get here. so many things to do. forgive me for being late. >> we heard from rahim, after he

previously made statements of the video. >> he emotionally responded to the information he received. he heard about a young black man, it's not unheard of he would be shot in the back in america. it's a crime of racism. i'm not saying america is racist, but there are still elements of racism in this country and i think we have to be careful if we're going to uncover what is real and good about this situation. something real and good. and then we need to uncover what the young man did. how much he said. what were the circumstances? i heard today that they were surveying him or surveilling him for some three years. and that for the last few weeks, they've been surveilling him and the surveillance going off 24/7. >> where did you hear that sir? >> my wife said she heard it on some news report. i'm not sure how definite that

is. but we do know he was being, there was surveillance going on. and if they considered him as a very dangerous person that means if they consider him a dangerous person they should take precautions in approaching him. i would. i wouldn't approach a wild animal or anything i thought was dangerous without being fully prepared. especially if i wanted to capture and keep him alive. so i don't think that their intent was to capture him and keep him alive. what are we going to do? the boy is gone. we have to move on. we have to find out more and i think if the boston police department and the fbi do some more thorough investigation, they said they will call for transparency. i'm looking for the transparency. i just want to know who orchestrated this incident. i mean i know that they can play for capturing. wild animals, or anything.

i think it was poorly constructed and i thought it was ill conceived. i thought it was reckless. >> i understand the family wants to see the video. now being arraigned. >> i'm hoping so and hoping we can bring some closure to the family. i asked that god overlook the shortcomings of the people who continue to exist that murder the young man. i know that they probably didn't want that. that's what they intended in their hearts. but shoot at the critical mass and an open space with cars going by and a school bus actually in the video. did you see the video? >> no. we haven't seen it. >> there's a school bus that actually goes around the turn. just right along the time that they were firing on him. so i mean that's a very dangerous thing. if they're concerned with public safety then public safety needs to be considered for all of us. i mean he hadn't killed anybody. you know? his tongue was wagging, as i understood. saying things that are

inappropriate. that doesn't warrant killing someone. [ [ inaudible question ] >> i think that would help bring closure to the matter. the film was not definitive. it's not clear as to what transpired. but it does show interaction between -- >> that was a press conference out of boston on the terror suspect, usaamah rahim. according to law enforcement officials, rahim was planning to kill and behead police officers. let's now go back to politics. hillary clinton is speaking in texas right now where he's expected to address voting rights. i believe we still have evan smith. evan are you there live from us? in texas. i think when you hear the word texas and politics, you don't necessarily think hillary clinton. and i wonder if you can tell us how much of an appetite there is in the state of texas, the lone star state, for the kind of

progressive politics that hillary clinton has been espousing lately on the campaign trail. >> alex remember no democrat has been elected statewide in more than 20 years in texas. this is not a place where democrats have found much success running for president. but hillary clinton has roots that go back to the campaign which she coshared in texas back in 1972. she and her husband have friends in texas. she won the primary in texas in 2008. and i think that she'll be popular here as far as it goes. as far as it goes. the reality is nobody expects this state to be a democratic stronghold or even competitive in the next election. so she'll get a listen but that's pretty much it. >> kristina i think it's really interesting hillary is down there talking about voting rights. all americans, but especially americans of color. she's talking about a path to citizenship for the undocumented here in america. she's talking about criminal justice reform. all of these issues are really important for young people and

voters of color. and this seems to be a huge part of her early strategy. >> it's clear she's trying to reach out to those communities. texas has a huge latino population. there's just nothing sadder than being a blue voter living in texas. you're in austin and got nothing. so i think having her there will galvanize a certain population of folks. but i think it's great she's talking about voting rights. we don't have a voting fraud problem, a voting participation. most are spectators to politics and democracy right now. the fact she's actually pushing on this issue, it's a galvanize galvanizing issue. it's politically expedient and incredible important to our democracy. >> you talk about the clinton coalition. we've talked about this before. everybody describes as white working class voters. these are not their bread and butter issues. these are issues for the obama

coalition which she's clearly trying to get under her wing. >> one problem democrats have in a place like texas is that the standard the well known personalities don't go there because she can't win. she's going there before it gets hot and heavy. start the process of getting people involved. it's good for her party long-term if she goes down there and gets the excitement going and democrats in elections there. but you can't get it started if democrats stay away from the states forever. it's helpful to her coalition and her party in a short and long-term. but her >> her going to texas shows she's not afraid to take the bite to the gop. she won the primary in 2008 but no democrat on a national stiktticket has won that state. by going to texas, the most restrictive voting rights laws in the country. by going to texas to talk about voting rights or immigration is a big issue down there, particularly for democrats, and

it's a problem for republicans. she's basically saying bring it. >> not it shall of voting rights. something they're going to have to defend cristina. not a place any republican candidate wants to be. >> it's going to be a hard conversation for them to have. i hope she pushes on that fundamentally, i think that there's a part of the gop that doesn't think that working class people, low income people of color, young people are really legitimate voters. their participation is kind of by definition suspect. i think trying to force them to address that is going to be really useful. there's something powerful about doing that. >> jonathan's point about taking it to the gop, there's a lot of contested territory in texas right now. i mean you have hillary and rick perry. you also kind of have i don't know if you guys in texas read this the same way, jeb bush announcing today he's going to announce in a couple of weeks

sort of walking over rick perry's announcement, at least with some parts of the national media. >> the reality, we have five people who grew up in texas, and a whole bunch more not born here as the bumper stickers say but got here as fast as they could. texas is going to be a competitive state in the republican primary for the first time in a long time. it's early enough. it's already an atm state. people with sex along the ground to collect money but honestly there's not a single candidate including the texans and ted cruz and rick perry who has this state locked up for certain. of course, everyone will come to texas. this is only the beginning. >> i need to talk about rick perry. i'm not letting this until we play this sound of rick perry what could be called his campaign mantra. let's take a listen. >> we need a president who bridges the partisan divide. who brings people together. we must do right. and risk the consequences. >> okay. wait. nick, we must do right and risk

the consequences? isn't that sort of what george w. bush the case he made over the 8 years of his presidency and i think people are tired of the message. it stuns me that's his campaign slogan. do right and risk the consequences. >> i'm not impressed with any of the campaign slogans so far. >> this one, when you're surrounded by military veterans and you're sort of alluding to foreign policy and say risk the consequences i just feel like -- >> maybe that's not so good. but rick perry on paper has always been such a strong candidate for the presidency. he has a perfect resume. but the execution is always a little shaky. >> a little? nick you're being very generous. >> i think these words, risk consequences. might want to say indicted. another possible felony. the only smart thing rick perry did in 2012 was the fact he

supported the texas version of the dream act. and then ran as far as possible when mitt romney. i think he's embarrassed in 2012 but this will give an opportunity to play every clip over and over and over. >> some of the worst people to take that opportunity. evan smith, nick con fefessore. did they clear the family name or did they dig themselves even deeper? more on that coming up next. when the moment's spontaneous, why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph,

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the u.s. should convert to the metric system. first, the interview that's breaking the sbernlt.internet. the duggar family spoke out about josh and including four of his younger sisters. >> for us of course this is public shame that our son did this 12 or 13 years ago. this was not rape or anything like that. this was like touching somebody over their clothes. a couple of incidents he touched somebody with their clothes but it was like a few seconds. >> it was more of his heart, his intent. he knew that it was wrong. but they weren't even aware. they were like it wasn't to them they probably didn't even understand it was improper touch. >> what josh did was inexcusable. but it was not unforgivable. >> and then this question. why would the duggars launch a reality tv show in 2008

preaching the pornlsimportance of family values with a family secret? >> we have taken that years ago and when they asked us all this had been taken care of five years before and we had a clean bill of health from the state. said you've gone through counselling. told the police. >> i don't know we lived in fear because we had all resolved it. it had been forgiven. we had moved on with life. >> host of "person, place, thing." ethicist randy cohen. what do you make? >> it's hard to be amusing about child abuse. you know it's there's a favorite part. josh's defense, they were asleep. >> they actually repeated that several times. it was over the clothes, just for a few seconds. >> i understand. you could abuse people when they're asleep?

that's okay. if you give them some sort of date rape drug? that would be okay. a curious defense. >> when i heard that cristina did it actually exacerbate the case to have his parents out there saying you know kind of wasn't that big of a deal. >> yeah conscious of that moment. i mean what i think is funny is until this thing happened, i had no idea this christian purity cult had this. it was like and counting. but now i think it would be interesting because i think there's an enormous deep misogyny in the culture this show is portraying and one thing we don't talk about, sexual abuse mostly happens in families. it's not stranger danger. it's in families. so talking about it and watching, thinking about how the family is coping is an interesting moment to maybe, i want to watch now to go what's

the story? >> you can watch reruns. >> you want to look back and say, what happened? >> that is being litigated in the court of public opinion, jonathan. especially the lgbt community and the things they've said about them and the idea, megyn kelly asked them how can you call others sinners when you sin? >> of course they do. that's what folks on the far, far religious right do. you sinners over there, you're horrible people. but if we get caught doing something that is well, illegal and immoral, it's not a big deal. what was so offensive about the clips that you showed was this attitude of, not a big deal. nothing to see here. that was just taken care of five years ago. we've got a clean bill of health. i'm sorry. the reason their show is off the

air and why we're talking about them and they have to sit with megyn kelly for this hour long confessional is because they don't have a clean bill of health. what they've done what did you call it the christian purity cult? this is what happens when you try to make yourself holier than thousand literally better than everyone else. >> describe girls who have been sexually active as like a bowl full of spit or a bicycle that's been ridden or ruined by other people. that's the logic those girls are growing up in after they've been sexually abused. >> randy, ethically, back to one of the things you excel at but you know they said at one point, as parents, you're not mandatory reporters. they were asked by megyn kelly, this went on three years before you dealt with it out of house. >> they did talk to a state trooper who's a pal at the east car lot. >> that was three years after they first found out.

>> these are all questions. >> as a legal matter i'm not a lawyer. but parents are not mandatory. >> but ethical. >> ethical matter if you think someone is going to do imminent serious harm to another person you have an absolute obligation to act. >> they say in the interview they took precalls for a conclusion conclusion conclusion, precautions. presumably presumably, a door lock. if you have to install some kind of precautionary, you know, a lock or whatever so that your son does not molest your daughters, something's wrong in the house. and you need to seek outside help. >> absolutely. i should also say, if you can't enjoy the down fall of a hypocrite, i don't want to have turns with you. it's so american.

like our fiction for years and years. explain to the young people who tammy lee baker was. >> there you go. >> this is a regular part of american life. >> there is the victim question too. there is the question about, you know, two of the sisters took to the air waves yesterday and defended their brother and said it wasn't really anything and serious as the media has cracked it up to be. the father and mother both blamed generally the media for blowing this out of proportion and said that there are people who are purposefully trying to bring things out to twist and hurt and slander. the media did not name any of the victims here. in touch leaked this and the rest of the media i think has been careful to not name names or ages until this particular moment. >> because children are involved. minors are involved. these are people who were minors at the time. great care and caution over

these people whose own parents, for i don't know what they did to try to protect the precautions they took to keep josh from doing the horrible things to them. >> and we're dynamic of the fact, this is a family that decided to put their family after this kind of trauma and then brand their family. and have their children -- i'm curious, about 20 years from now, how do you manage what you've been through and have to kind of protect your family's brand name and economic survival on kind of silencing the violence done to you? that's the whole scary dynamic that's going to play out in that family for a long time after we stop caring. we will move on to other totally different but also questionable choices. yesterday, former rhode island governor and senator lincoln chaffe. he said america should convert to the metric system.

>> let's be bold. here's a bold embrace of internationalism. let's join the rest of the world and go metric. believe me. it's easy. only myanmar, liberia, and the united states aren't metric. and it will help our economy. >> i mean as a half burmese person i take that myanmar dig quite seriously. the vice president of the u.s. metric association was told lincoln chaffe made this proposal was who, and then added, oh my gosh. so is this a bold proposal? is that what america needs, randy? >> we should be metric. >> this is what i like. the defense of lincoln's idea. >> of course we should be metric. it's comical because it's a rather small issue in the scheme of things. >> rather. >> we want to make fun of him as a long shot candidate but i think there's more interesting things about him.

he started out as a liberal republican. explain to the young people what that is, it's like a rotary phone. and then becomes an independent and then becomes a democrat. what's interesting, he hasn't changed. i like lincoln chaffe because he shows how the country moved so far to the right. >> he's a living time line. >> he's the rockefeller republican. hillary clinton is the same politics except she was for the iraq war. >> which is going to be a problem. >> i think that's pretty great. what are we a wing of fox news or let's find something trivial. >> okay i don't think anybody has ever accused this show of being a wing of fox news. >> one thing to keep in mind when i first heard the clip my bold idea the metric system it seemed trivial. but it also, it's worthwhile idea but took me back to when tommy thompson.

>> a lot of tommy thompson name checks today. >> former governor of wisconsin, i believe he was hhs secretary. his big idea when he came into the "washington post" editorial board was medical ship diplomacy. send them to places that were being run over by epidemics and plagues and things like that because it would improve america's name around the world. it's one of the soft diplomacy and saying hey, that makes a lot of sense. he went nowhere. >> that tells me that tommy thompson and lincoln chaffe have no friends. their friends would say it's a bad idea. millimeters and sentcentimeters. well taken. i have a rotary phone at home.

>> they're fabulous. >> so harsher at the ad council. did he do a good ad? >> we have plenty of time to talk about lincoln chaffe and why that's a problem in forthcoming segments but we focus on the trivial. thank you all for your time. coming up the fifa corruption scandal is about to get messy. really, really messy. we'll explain just ahead.

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. today, more fallout in the fifa corruption scandal that has left the image of the beautiful game in tatters. former fifa vice president jack warner, one of the 14 officials indicted last week despite fearing for his life he plans to reveal an avalanche of documents with corruption including planning to manipulate in trinidad and tobago. he took bribes ahead of the 1998 and 2010 world cups in france and south africa respectively. the fallout also comes amid mounting scrutiny of the 2022 cup to cutter. joining me now, world champion soccer enthusiast and contributing writer a victory on the saga of football in the age of corruption. dun dun dun.

all right. this is let's talk about cutter. and russia to that degree. 2022 world cup. is there a likely chance it will not be in cutter? >> i think it's probably not going to happen. >> you do? >> it's not going to happen. it's going to go somewhere else. i think most of the world doesn't want it there and logistically, people realize it's not even despite all the worker deaths that have happened there, it's not even a good place to hold the world cup. it won't happen. >> to my question, pete, if cuttercut qatar is taking down does russia have to rethink the fact it's hosting the world cup? >> i think the chances are slim because the infrastructure exists. >> and putin isn't going to -- >> it's super dangerous to take it away from putin at this point. >> putin has said about america's pursuit of this

corruption, even if someone has done something wrong, russia has nothing to do with it. you just got back from ukraine. i mean. >> sounds like what he said about the ukraine, to be honest. he's got his proxies, you know, operating for him supposedly, that way he doesn't have to shoulder the personal responsibility. with soccer what's really interesting with this particular investigation is that for the first time soccer is playing a major role in this sort of reinvigorated cold war. >> not good news for soccer fans. >> i think it's great news. >> like a renewed interest in fifa. >> it is the world games. it's the biggest game in the world. the olympics, the world cup. basically is, you know, war.

i don't think russia's troops they went into ukraine. europe did nothing about it. we did nothing about it. i don't think with the soccer game, all of the sudden we're going to. >> the english today offered to host the 2022 cup. they said, you know if necessary, they could do it. >> gracious. >> we'll take that beauty. like a beauty contestant and the runner-up said i'll wear the sash if you need me to wear the crown. england does have the infrastructure, don't they? >> they do. most of the worker deaths we're talking about are from infrastructure. >> in qatar. >> the stadiums aren't in any stage of completion. so england has all those things of course because it's the home. >> they haven't hosted it i don't think since 1960 1960-something.

>> here's a question. is there a chance that the corruption extends to the field itself? i mean you hear about the amount of money, they might be throwing political elections, are we going to have to revisit games? >> this saturday is a great example of how surprisingly that on field corruption could reach to the highest level. this saturday i know you're a big fan, but they were relegated to a lower league because they cheated. there was match fixing in the italian league and they were involved. >> let's not talk of the italians again. i'll just say that. >> part of my web site i have. savethebeautifulgame.org is about changing the referee system and putting pressure on fifa. not just fifa i'm just calling it the f word. >> but do you think that's likely we're going to sort of revisit the sort of ref system? >> i think probably constantly

going on on some level. there's a few on the field but really only one in charge and two goalkeepers. it's very easy to fix something. very easy. >> it happens in small leagues around the world all the time. >> i didn't wear my beard today. i should have. but my bearded friends. we'll do that on a forthcoming segment. judeh friedelaender. thank you. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites.

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