weep for losing beau physically they can rally around a cause that beau stood for and fought for as attorney general in the state of delaware. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. a new charge against speaker hastert. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. a montana woman has come forward today with new allegations of sexual misconduct against former house speaker dennis hastert. last week hastert was indicted on charges he evaded federal banking laws to pay $3.5 million to an unidentified man. federal officials told nbc news that those payments were made to conceal an illicit sexual relationship they had while the man was a student at yorkville

high school in illinois where hastert was a teacher and wrestling coach. today joeline birdge has come forward with another allegation of sexual misconduct. she told "good morning america" that her gay brother steven reinboldt who died of aids in 1995 that he had been sexually abused by hastert when he was a student. >> i asked stevie when was his first same-sex experiment and he looked at me and said it was about dennis hastert, and i just -- you know, i was stunned. i said why didn't you ever tell anybody, stevie? mean, he was your teacher. why didn't you ever tell anybody, and he just looked at me and said who is ever going to believe me? in this town who is ever going to believe me? >> and was it your sense that this happened more than once? >> more than once. she also told abc that she confronted hastert himself at her brother's funeral.

>> i just looked at him and i said i want to know why you did what you did to my brother. he just stood there and stared at me and then i just continued to say i want you to know that your secret didn't die in there with my brother, and i want you to remember that i'm out here and that i know. >> nbc news has not independently confirm the story. did speak to a friend of steve reinboldt though who said reinboldt said he had sexual conduct with dennis hastert. nbc news has made repeated attempts to reach hastert himself but with no success. i'm joined now live by gabe gutierrez who joins us from yorkville, illinois. how does this story work? how is it developing? are there people coming forward? it looks like there's more to this story than it started with. >> reporter: certainly, chris. there's a lot more to this story, it seems, than what was originally laid out in the indictment. still a major question however, is who is individual "a"? that is the person named in the

indictment, as you mentioned, and hastert is agreeing to pay individual "a" to conceal some sort of past misconduct and the law enforcement officials tell nbc news that this misconduct was sexual in nature and involved a student while he was a teacher here at yorkville high school, but neither the sister of steven reinboldt that spoke with abc news or the friend and former classmate of reinboldt that spoke to nbc news knows who individual "a" is so that is the big question right now. now, that friend did tell us that reinboldt confided with him back in 1974 and said that he had a sexual relationship with hastert, that friend said he was flabbergasted. he did not want his identity revealed, but he said that he believes that this relationship had multiple encounters and that he even told us that while reinboldt did not go into detail he did say that the encounter began with massages and he

wouldn't say anything more than that. as you mentioned, hastert has not commented on these allegations since the indictment came out, and really his attorney has not said anything either and the firm won't even officially confirm that he's being represented by that firm so he will be scheduled to be in court to make his first public appearance next week. chris? >> so there's no way hastert can run away from this because he faces these, you know oddly connected banking charges. the only legal threat -- is that the only legal theat he faces is this criminal action by the federal government against him for breaking the banking laws about how much money you can spend or withdraw at a certain time? >> well that is what he's charged with and, yes, we should be very clear. he's not charged with any count or any charge of sexual abuse. these are just allegations that are coming to light from the sister and the friend at this point. but here in this town there is complete and utter shock at these allegations. they did not expect the indictment. they certainly didn't expect the

separate allegations regarding sexual abuse, and hastert, a lot of people have been commenting on it's bizarre that he has not responded at some level. it's been more than a week now since this indictment became public and we've not heard anything from dennis hastert. of course, he was a prominent figure in this community. he coached -- he was a teacher and coach here from 1965 to '81 and then he went on to obviously the career in the state legislature and then on to congress becoming one of the most powerful politicians in the country and then becoming a very prominent lobbyist in -- after he left congress so really there are a lot of questions here in this community and also on capitol hill on what else could come out in this case but right now hastert is only charged with that -- that bank fraud as well as lying to the fbi. chris? >> okay. thank you so much for this report nbc's gabe gutierrez out there. thank you so much on this friday night. in light of these allegations hastert's record is under renewed scrutiny.

his public record. hastert led the republican party's efforts against gay rights and supported the marriage protection act and stripped the federal court's power over same-sex cases and led the charge for a banning of gay marriage and led to the non-discrimination act which would prevent employers from discriminating on the basis of someone's sexuality. i'm going to tell you, i don't even know what the relevance of his public record is on issues of gay rights for example or generally his views on sexual identity tolerance. i don't know how relevant they are. the producers think they are relevant. what do you think? i want to start with you, congressman frank. how do you reconcile any kind of public opinion, conservative liberal or somewhere in the middle with these charges against this guy? are they relevant or just another problem? >> the charges have two aspects, chris. one of the charges is a serious one, that as a coach the wrestling coach he took advantage of his position with all the coercion that this gave

him, whether there was any physical coercion or not, we don't know but certainly there was a moral coercion of the coach over the teacher. that was in violation of basic rules. ironically he was leading the charge as speaker in his first week to impeach bill clinton for having had sex with an intern who was much older than a high school student and there was another aspect that titillates people and that it was gay sex. obviously i don't believe that there was anything wrong with that. i think increasingly the public understands that but the fact that this man who as the republican speaker initiated any gay activities is directly relevant because of an issue of hypocracy. it's directly relevant because the republican party for the past couple of decades has tried to use opposition to legal equality for lgbt people as part of their platform and one more hypocrite that was there, one

morman having same-sex activity on the side himself, in fact in appropriate ways, that he was one of those leading the effort to deny these rights to other people does go to the hypocrisy that the republican party has been showing. >> it's interesting that the laws out there we checked it today, that you can have sexual relations with somebody above the age of 18 i guess 18 or older, even if you have a loco parentis relationship with them but normally at 17. they had to rays it but only a year. jonathan, this is tricky business obviously. >> mm-hmm. >> because if it is same-sex relations it's one thing, but it's a violation of the trust relationship on another basis, you know. it's not pedfeelia. not having sex with a pre-pubescent, got to get that term out of play here but something that the law says it wrong. >> chris, i want to push back on congressman frank in this regard. hypocrisy here is not the

congressman's opposition to gay rights. i really think that we should separate gay rights from what the congressman stands accused of, not legally but morally. he's accused of child abuse, molestation. you cannot equate lbgt issues and being gay to pedophilia and child abuse so i want to make sure that viewers understand that the two are completely separate, but where the hypocrisy is it's a moral hypocrisy. as congressman frank pointed out, it was dennis hastert who was part of the -- part of the crowd of people haranguing president clinton at the time of impeachment because of his moral failings in the oval office. >> yeah. >> and so that i think is where the real hypocrisy here is. >> chris, can i -- >> i know my diction is garbled but i'm surprised i was unable to make myself clear to mr. cape hart. i specifically said that there

were two aspects of this and that one of the aspects was the illegitimate, inappropriate use and the other was the gay sex piece. >> i just want to make sure it's clear. >> well, you said you were pushing back against me as if i didn't make it clear. the fact is that there is in the public reaction let's be honest, a titillation not simple police that he was doing this to a student but that the former republican speaker turns out to have had at least a significant element of bisexuality and i disagree with you that that's not relevant. the republican party didn't just impeach bill clinton for having sex for monica lewinsky very much been using sexual relationships as a political tool, as a wedge issue until the country outgrew their fascination with that. dennis hastert didn't just vote against gay rights as speaker. he twice put before the u.s. house a constitutional amendment to ban all same-sex marriages, even those that had already happened retroactively and for a man himself engaged in same-sex activity to have done that as speaker of the house is a degree of hypocrisy that i think ought

to be talked about. yes, i agree it's separate from the other activity but they are both problems. >> i agree with you on your political analysis. >> bill clinton got in big trouble with the house. he was impeached by the house because of heterosexual behavior with a person that was under his charge. monica wasn't even an intern at the time. she was 22 so you can argue there and clearly it's not a case of adult male-child thing. it was abuse of power position i think you would agree, right, gentlemen? >> hastert did even more so. >> yeah. these are power -- anyway hastert helped lead the drive to impeach president clinton. here's hastert's floor speech attacking the president clinton's, quote, misconduct during the impeachment debates back in '98. here he is. >> according to alexander hamilton in federalist 65 impeachment concerns offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men or in

other words, from the anti-abused violation of some public trust. the evidence in president clinton's case is overwhelming that he has abused and violated the public trust's. the president's inability to abide by the law, the constitution and my conscience have all led me to the solemn conclusion that impeachment articles must be passed. >> what do you think, congressman? you were there of having to go back to the federalist papers in this regard. i thought that was an amazing sort of play there by him. >> it was interesting that he cited alexander hamilton because as pointed out in the hearing, hamilton himself was being black mailed by a guy because he had been having sex with the try's wife and they were going to impeach hamilton until he explained why he was doing and he said oh, that's different so hamilton was a poor choice for hastert. >> what was hamilton's explanation of this behavior with somebody's wife? >> that he was -- that he was being black mailed and didn't want it to come out, but can we also add on the hypocrisy case

that hastert was third guy to be speaker. first you had gingrich who was having an affair with his third wife cheating on his second wife with whom he cheated on his first wife and bob livingston who had to quit because he had sex with a lobbyist so in that group, by the way, these people leading the charge against clinton, clinton was -- was the choirboy. i would have said altar boy but that would have been misunderstood. >> come on. just a few bad apples. come on barney. >> the entire barrel. >> the entire barrel. >> by the way, the guy who was behind hastert and guy who made him the speaker because they knew him was was too controversial was tom delay who was the whip and delay was smart enough to understand that he needed somebody to be a front man. somebody he thought he had somebody who looked very clean. >> i put tom delay outside of that little barrel anyway. that barrel's already filled. thank you, barney frank, for coming on. >> probably not a good metaphor. >> i know the joke. coming up that "vanity fair"

cover this week of caitlyn jenner has conservatives running scared. it was a watershed moment for transgendered people but for conservatives it's a remind their they are losing the culture wars in this country plus hillary clinton is baiting her republican rivals including all the governors, into a fight over voting rights. she's nailing them and tonight it's safe to say they are taking the bait. and the big money men behind the canneddidates, the daddy warbucks out there, propping up the republicans who want -- everybody has a sugar daddy and emotional farewell today to vice president biden's son beau. this is "hardball," the place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." anyway, this is the week that the former olympic athlete bruce jenner came out publicly as a woman named caitlyn and many democrats, including president obama, praised her bravery. on the right, however, this story is very different. according "the washington post," quote, among social conservatives who are a powerful force within the republican party there is a far darker view to. them the widespread acceptance of jenner's evolution from an olympic gold medalist whose masculinity was enshrined on the wheaties box to a shapely woman posing suggestively on the cover of "vanity fair" was a reminder that they the conservatives, are lose the culture war across social media blogs and talk shows this week conservatives painted an apocalyptic view of america. while most of the 2016 republican candidates have remained quiet, conservatives on radio and online have given a

harsh assessment. >> conservatives and republicans are the new weirdos, the new kooks, and that is part of the political objective here in normalizing all of this really marginal behavior. i mean if -- if less than 1% of the population is engaging in it, it's marginalized behavior. it isn't normal no matter how you define it. >> if you want one snapshot of just how corrupt, how morally twisted, how morally confused how morally bankrupt we have become, all you've got to do is take a look at the comfort of "vanity fair" magazine. >> liberals are always you know, science, science and conservatives don't believe science. >> right. >> bruce jenner still has "y" krom zones in every cell of his body. do not tell me it's real.

if it's real i think it's a mental illness and we shouldn't be laughing about it. >> and earlier this year mike huckabee joked about transgendered people as such. watch him in action. >> i wish when i was in high school i could have felt like a woman when i was in p.e. i think i would have found my feminine side and said coach, i think i'd rather shower with the girls today. you're laughing because it sounds so ridiculous doesn't it? >> what does this all say about social conservatives and the republican party? matt schlapp is former political director in the george w. bush white house and also we have a member of the log cabin republicans. >> you obviously have a wing of your party that goes flapping like nuts when this stuff happens. >> yeah. >> it is a wing sdwlu chose the most firebrand pundits out there. >> i took out michael savage

during the meeting, that's even worst. >> you're talking about radio hosts and pundits. >> who are they? >> they are pun duts just that. >> are you kidding me not a person in your party that will stand up to rush limbaugh? he's an incredibly powerful person in the republican party. don't say he's some guy off in the wings somewhere. >> i'm concerned not so much with the voices against caitlyn jenner right now but what you didn't mention in the opening of your segment is the republicans that have come out and supported caitlyn jenner. rick santorum. >> we have it all queued up. there aren't many willing to comment on caitlyn jenner. perhaps surprisingly was rick santorum and what he said was even more surprising. asked about jenner's gender change he says if he's a woman, then he's a woman. my responsibility as a human being is to love and accept everybody, not to criticize people for who they are. santorum later expanded on his position. let's listen. >> if bruce jenner says he's a woman, then i'm not going to

argue with him. i know -- i know what anatomically and biologically he is and that doesn't change by himself identifying himself. i mean you know his genetics and dna isn't changing but out of respect i'm not going to -- i'm not to -- i'm not going to argue whether bruce jenner is a woman. with bruce jenner i'll treat him with dignity and respect and that's what i said. >> let me go to matt. what is the role? gregory says it's not a large role. what role do the voices that we were hearing and have been hearing about the jenner new identity, what do they tell us about the state culturally of the republican party and how you're going to field a reach can candidate next year who either reflects those views, challenges them or dismisses them? i want to know how you're going to handle this talk. >> well obviously the nation has shifted its views on issues surrounding gay rights rather dramatically. you can see that just in the polls, and you know that's what's great about living in a

democracy. it will have an effect on these parties. i think the way rick santorum answered the question is right. as you know the center right coalition is pretty broad. there's a lot of libertarian voices in there, and, you know people have a right to live their lives. they have a zone of privacy where they get to make these decisions and miss jenner has a right to make these decisions. she's living her american life and by the way, she doesn't seem to feel like conservatives hate her because she defines herself as a conservative which is an interesting part of the story. >> is huckabee just a joke? do you ignore him? both you guys take on huckabee. he won the iwuh caucuses recently. still part of your party. >> clearly there's more educational work that has to be done on the transgender issue that works not only extends to mike huckabee but also extends to democrats. the transgender issue has moved very rapidly here in the united states in a very short amount of time extremely short amount of time and i look at caitlyn jenner's voice coming out and the voices i heard were not only

rick santorum's and xwroefr norquist. >> what did grover have to say? >> he said that he met then bruce jenner at an event for friends of abe which is the hollywood secret group of republican actors in hollywood and he said that he found bruce jenner to be a strong reagan conservative and said leave him alone. grover norquist tweeted about that. >> here he is. let him speak. here's caitlyn jenner who told abc's diane sawyer back when he was bruce. let's watch when he was bruce. >> do you think that it would be maybe unsettling for some people in the conservative wing. republican party? >> i've thought about that. >> but jenner insists neither political party has a monopoly on understanding. >> you're going to go to mitch mcconnell and john boehner and ask them to help champion this cause? >> i would -- i would do that yeah, in a heartbeat, why not, and i think they would be very receptive to it. >> matt, what happens if your party runs somebody more

mainstream than the voices on the radio which i do think make a lot of noise with the republican side. everybody who listens to them. what happens if you have a houston situation like in '22 or pat buchanan and the rest of them do this you know and dan quail's wife come out and give this strong statement against new things. how are you going to avoid that like in '92 which helped clinton get elected? >> we're a broad party with people with different views that want to be heard but i think we'll nominate someone who strikes the right tone. there's a whole host of issues that republicans believe that people have a right to live their lives and i think we'll nominate somebody like that. by the way, voices on the left too, you know ed schultz talked about this on his show and said why are we talking about this when there's so many other issues. a lot of pastors that align themselves with the democratic party, a lot of black pastors out there very vocally on these issues. america is facing these types of issues and they are looking at them afresh. it affects all kind of areas of

politics, and i think america's big enough and strong enough to try to find some kind of area of neutrality where christians can have their views and be respected and people like miss jenner can have her viewings and be respected. >> do you think caitlyn will get a speaking chance at the republican convention next summer in cleveland? >> i don't know about that. >> i love the way you answer that -- you don't actually answer it. >> i was ready. >> i don't control who speaks at the convention but we might make news here tonight. i've been in communication with caitlyn jenner's agents about setting up hearings on the hill with prominent republicans that diane sawyer challenged him to meet with and advocate with. >> when you come on this program, i love you guys coming on, i do love your guys because your point of view is very positive. do you think when people are sitting at home out on route 40 in the united states watching this show in a bar somewhere, do you think they are agreeing with you? do you think they are speaking with the republican party, this tolerant voice? you're jumping, matt go ahead. >> chris, let me just say i

watch your show and i hear you talking about these guys in pennsylvania, right. these labor union guys. >> i talk about people everywhere, regular people. >> but they are sitting back and looking at this and by the way the whole question about someone being -- having trouble with their gender i think is confusing for people who don't understand or don't have that problem, but then you take the next step and say shouldn't we be compassionate and understanding? i think there's a lot of americans who are like that. i think it's wrong to assume that republicans can't have that kind of view. look, i don't understand it in my own life the fact that she's making these decisions has the right to do it. >> that's great. that's a liberal view libertarian but also a liberal view. >> no that's not. >> leave caitlyn jenner alone. >> the republican platform next center which still matter you expect to hear this tolerant voice by your party? >> i don't know -- >> i don't know if they would have a plank in the platform about this. >> no statement of tolerance like you've just made. >> would i rather have a platform with less in it than more. it would actually be important to see a platform that did not

address this at all. >> you're not having -- >> you're just -- you're not happy that the democratic party will probably voice a more -- even a celebratory mood for people who make these kinds of decisions? >> look the democrats decided to take god -- >> i'm not sure if -- if this is even going to be an issue. if the republicans want to engage in a culture war. the democrat are trying to make this a culture war. >> last word, matt. >> the democrats took the mention of god out of their platform. talk about something that's extreme. >> that's right. >> i think that's something that goes a bridge too far. yeah republicans, the platforms will uphold traditional marriage but they would be smart to understand and reach out to all types of voters and tell them that they respect them and want their support. >> you guys talk like the rec suburban republicans i grew up with. if your party talked like you two guys you wouldn't have democrats to worry about. you'd be sweeping the country. thank you very much gregory angelo and matt schlapp, have a great weekend. selling you so i can put you

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today lines mourners paid their respects to beau biden. the biden family held a religious viewing at st. anthony's in wilmington today to honor beau the vice president's oldest son who died at age 46 of brain cancer. those that were there shows that everyone in this country cares and tomorrow president obama will deliver the eulogy at the funeral mass. yesterday at state capital beau biden's family laid in honor. beau's 11-year-old daughter natally and 1-year-old son hunter and wife holly greeted a long line of mourners. watch. >> a model for what a brother, uncle, nephew and cousin should

be. the biden family is delaware's family. >> that's the governor of delaware, of course. anyway, the speaker of the delaware statehouse remembered beau and the impact that he had on the state of delaware. here he is. >> to say one word beau anywhere in this state, everyone would know immediately who i was talking about. >> beau biden, an iraq war veteran was posthumously honored by the military and awarded the delaware conspicuous service cross. >> biden, joseph robinette the third, joint force air quarters newcastle delaware the following award is announced. state of delaware conspicuous service cross. >> beau smiled for many reasons, but his biggest smile was for his family hallie hunter natalie brought him joy beyond words. >> congressman john carney is

the democratic representative and the representative for the whole state of delaware. congressman, you know something not learned for the occasion. seems like there's something about delaware where despite the natural competition of politics there's something you all get together on. >> well you're right, chris. i think the governor said it right. it's all about family. this is a very small place. everybody knows one another. everybody knows the bidens of course, joe served this state for 36 years as our senator. we first met beau after the accident when joe was first elected in '72, and because of that i think people just wrapped their arm around this little guy. we watched him grow up through high school become a lawyer. we elected him twice to be our attorney general and he -- he really turned out to be everything that his -- his father wanted him to be just a really fine, generous kind humble person so you were up here today. i'm sure you sense the just really deep hurt that people are

feeling. i was in the church. i brought my mother over and she went up to joe and she said joe, how are you doing, and, of course, joe said i wasn't doing too good, mrs. carney, until i saw you come up to me which is the way joe is and everybody knows and loves joe and, of course, we had that same love for beau >> you know what struck me you know a lot of countries have only their acristocrats who run that country and joe biden, that neighborhood is so middle middle, so regular, like where i grew up when i was a kid until we moved to northeast philly the row houses people sitting on their porches watching what was going on. to me it was so familiar this regular neighborhood and here's the vice president of the united states, goes to church there every week. >> and it was a little bit eerie, chris, because if you noticed as you went up to the church, they were getting ready for the annual italian festival which is a festival that is held every year there and they rays

money for the school. that's the old italian national parish in the wilmington diocese. that was the old little italy neighborhood, still the little italy neighborhood, not as many italians live there these days but it was special to joe, that festival. it was all about joe. it was family ethnicity, church, religion and -- and joe thrived there, so to see him today up this in the front that have church was just heartbreaking. >> so neighborhood the way you describe it because it reminds me in philly they have a parish st. whatever and it would say polish or italian. it was the way it was in those days. thank you so much. a great guy to come on. u.s. congressman john carney of the state of delaware. up next back to politics and hillary clinton luring the republicans very effectively into a fight over voting rights a good field for her to be fighting on, good turf smart turf with her and we'll get to that with the roundtable. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

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out republican governors the other day in her party's effort to strip minorities. the republican party's efforts on voting rights. well, today the gop's cavalry fired back. clinton had four republicans target her in her sights. let's take a look. >> here in texas, former governor rick perry signed a law that a federal court said was actually written with the purpose of discriminating against minority voters. in wisconsin governor scott walker cut back early voting and signed legislation that would make it harder for college students to vote. in new jersey governor chris christie vetoed legislation to extend early voting and in florida when jeb bush was governor state authorities conducted a deeply flawed purge of voters before the presidential election in 2000. >> that's what we call today calling people out, calling them

out by name. the roundtable, david corn washington bureau heave for "mother jones" michelle bernard of the bernard center of women, still the president, got re-elected and jonathan chief, chief political vormt with vox. here's chris christie firing back today. >> secretary clinton doesn't know the first thing about voting rights in new jersey or in the other states that she attacked and my sense is that she just wants an opportunity, you know to commit greater acts of voter fraud around the country so you know i'm not worried about her opinion. >> that's pretty direct. he's accusing her of finding ways for her people to cheat. i mean that's pretty direct. >> yeah yeah and -- i think this was a great opportunity for chris christie to sort of talk about something that wasn't bridgegate or how come your state -- >> it sells with republicans. >> democrats cheat in the big cities. >> one of the issues good for both sides for their base. hillary clinton talks -- >> you're so smart. you're so smart. >> hillary clinton talks about

this and african-americans and progressives and others say she's out there fighting and taking it to the other side and the other, i think, strategic advantage here is we do know that in the coming election there will be operations in this country where republicans try to rig the rules again or screwing around with the electoral college. >> places where the democrats in big cities ward leaders steal votes, will there be such cases? >> probably lesser that be there used to be. >> were can agree. less than there used to be. >> there's a lack of parity here in this way. this country has a history of institutionalized voter suppression, whether you're talking about poll taxes. >> making you register to vote. >> i mean the whole -- >> why do we register to vote. why don't we just let people vote? >> why isn't it automatic? >> why doesn't it come with your birth certificate? >> that's what hillary clinton just signatured. >> look, i think this was hillary clinton seeing her at her brightest and best. not only did she do this -- >> fine tuned. >> she told us what she stands for.

she did it at a historically black college. imagine if she were to go to historically black colleges and universities all over the country -- >> i would say get off your butt and do something about it. >> in 2008 before african-americans decided to back obama, hillary clinton -- >> is this something that a white woman presidential candidate can do that an african-american president can't do? i mean why didn't obama give this sterling point-by-point scold you, you, you, christie, rick perry, calling them out. >> she can do it. obama could not do it for example, like he couldn't have done it in 2008 or 2012 and he can do it now because he's in the last quarter of his presidency presidency. we've talked about the image of the quote, unquote scary black man was something that obama had to deal with. >> she can morally indict these guys, the other white people. >> absolutely. >> and go and look at their numbers, the people she selected to talk about, chris christie does well with african-americans. rick perry, jeb bush do well

with hispanics. >> yeah, they do. >> and these are two groups of -- >> her playing the game. i don't think they are doing it because they don't like black people. they do it because they like more republican votes. >> exactly. former governor rick perry is also firing back at hillary clinton. take a listen. >> i think it makes sense to have a photo i.d. to be able to vote. when i got on the airline to come up here yesterday i had to show my photo i.d. now hillary clinton may not have had to show an i.d. to get on an airplane in a long time. >> she's in a private jet. >> yeah if she will fly commercialal, you show that. >> i think you should put your glasses on jonathan when you make these important points. >> look how smart you became all of a sudden. >> iq up 20 points. >> i think perry said oops now he's wearing glasses. pretty serious. >> and he's smart, right? >> with the glasses. >> he's accepting -- expected -- >> smarter, dumber. >> just couldn't see the name of the agency he wanted to get rid of. >> hillary clinton made a great point yesterday when she pointed

out in the state of texas, in rick perry's texas, could you use your concealed weapon i.d. as i.d. to vote but you can't use a student i.d. >> okay. here's the difference that somebody pointed out, one of our brilliant producers, difference to showing an i.d. to get on an airplane and different to showing an i.d. card to vote. one is a right. >> yes. >> a constitutional right to vote like guys who are for the second amendment and women. it is your right. >> whatever happened to, you know that very legendary -- >> don't have a right to get on an airplane? >> postmortem autopsy that the gop did. >> that we're going to fix this thing. >> fix our relations with black and latino voters. >> that's history. >> so history. >> they are playing to the base and the base -- >> they will do it after they deny people the right to vote. >> you know you get to pick the leaders and they get to pick the voters. >> yes. >> wisconsin governor scott walker returned fire saying quote, hillary clinton's rejection of efforts to make it easier to vote and harder to cheat not only defies logic, but the will of the majority of americans. once again hillary clinton's

extreme views are far outside the mainstream. what staffer writes that? anyway, rick perry also defended voter i.d. laws because, quote, they are highly popular. here's perry. >> the people of the state of texas is who she is taking on because that was a law that was passed by the people of the state of texas. she just went into my home state and dissed every person who supports having an identification to either get on an airplane or to vote and that's highly popular. >> according to a fox news poll he's right. last year 70% of the country said voter i.d. laws are needed to stop illegal voting. 27% said voter i.d. laws are unnecessary and discourage legal voting. i think it may be a vote about majoritiarianism. most people have driver's licenses but the people that don't, let them vote. is it easier for you to vote without a license? if you don't have one, you can't vote and what's the crime in not having a driver's license. >> also not a problem. let's say this again and again and again. gop keeps saying rick perry

keep said we have to stop all the illegal voting. they have like 23 cases a year and so it's a fake problem to suppress a vote that doesn't benefit the republicans. that's what this is. >> to suppress it and it's perfect again for the democrats because hispanics and asians don't typically vote in the same numbers as whites and this is perfect plucking for hillary clinton. >> why don't they spend more time trying to find cases of really bad vote cheating and people would have a different attitude. either there isn't or they are just too lazy to go find it. >> it doesn't exist. >> seems like tease a prima facie argument. up next, the republican daddy warbucks the rogues gallery, the big money. everybody has an uncle sugar to use somebody's phrase putting up the cash for the 2016 candidates. i call them daddy warbucks because they are almost always hawkish. this is "hardball," the place for politics. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness...

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>> medicine any of us will ever know. >> explosive new charges against the man who led republicans in the house. today, what we know about the new allegations against denny hastert. then hillary clinton calls out republican candidates for restricting voting. today, the governors strike back. >> she just went into my home state and dissed every person who supports having an identification. >> plus an angry military father confronted senator tom cotton. >> when do i get my kids to come home safe again? >> and all in the movies. >> i said you know would you do that to a man? >> why this weekend could be melissa mccarthy's best yet. >> can you imagine me as a spy? >> with a gun! >> "all in" starts now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. dennis hastert, the longest serving republican speaker in the house in u.s. history, a man for eight