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they're now on the run. a massive manhunt is underway near the canadian border. how did they do it? details coming up. and beau biden and what it says about the unusual bond between obama and joe biden. we begin this hour with history being made. the end of 37 long years of frustration and heartbreak. that was how long it had been since a horse had won the triple crown until around 6:45 last night. >> one eighth of a mile to go. american pharoah has got a two length lead. the 16 pole and here it is. the 37 year wait is over.
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american pharoah is finally the one! american pharoah has won the triple crown! >> listen to the roar of that crowd. american pharoah becomes just the 12th horse in history to capture all three crown jewels of horse racing. this was a moment of trial and years of near misses 1997 1998 2002 arrived with a chance to claim the triple crown only for his horse to lose. but now he has a place in history. this was the third time the jockey had ridden a horse with a chance to win the triple crown and now finally he has broken through. at 43 he becomes the oldest
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jockey to win the triple crown. this was a special moment last night a streak that many were starting to believe might never end. affirmed won back in 1978. after that nothing. american pharoah was in control of this race yesterday from start to finish. he never trailed. his time was the second fastest ever. and now he will live in sports immortality. the 12th triple crown champion of all kind. joining me to talk about it long time racing announcer. of course that famous call you heard down the stretch they come, that was dave johnson. so excited to have him here with us. let me start with this.
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it's a good trip a bad trip. all of the horses that have fallen short in the belmont. is it luck that american pharoah was able to win or is he different and that much better than all of the other horses? >> oh he is much better. the key to it is bob. a terrific guy but a sensational trainer who knows how to keep his horses together through this gruelling five weeks and bob is the key to this. of course it's the horse who did it. finally. >> and you say bob got it done. so you called? >> we were playing this clip yesterday in 1998. he came so close to winning the triple crown that year. it's incredible heartbreak for him. we say he had been there three times before and now all of these years later he breaks
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through. but to put it all together. i think it's the toughest thing in the world of sports to win the triple crown. american pharoah is simply sensational. >> what is it? when you look at american pharoah, if you're looking at it to analyze it as a horse what makes it so special? >> first he has the breeding. great conformation beautiful stride and trained to perfection. he had some hiccups along the way. he was the 2-year-old champion last year but he did not go to the breeders cup. bob was able to get him back and get him ready for the gruelling three different weeks and distances. and shipping from one track to the other, it's why the triple
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crown has gone vacant for 37 years. it's a tough road. >> what happens now? we look in horse racing the horses are retired after they have a little success. they go into the siring business. is that what we can expect. is american pharoah going to be out there racing more? >> the owners have said they want to continue racing him through this year. hopefully he might show up at haskill. and i guess possibly the breeder's cup in the fall. let's keep our fingers crossed. i know americans want to see the triple crown not in a stud barn but on the racetrack. >> 37 years was the gap between between yesterday's triple crown victory and the last one before that. there there had been a 25 gap. there was a period in the 70s.
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secretariat, affirmed we had i think three in five years. >> i don't know it's going be three in the next decade. i'm keeping my fingers clossed. i didn't think i would ever see another triple crown. i called secretariat. but here we are. history made yesterday at big sandy. >> i got to ask you as somebody who grew up listening to all of your calls, nothing more exciting. >> larry does a great job. i was on my couch watching it at home. i did give it a down the stretch they come but it was just for myself. >> i wish i could have heard that one. >> dave johnson, thank you so much for joining us. >> let's turn to the powerful
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speech that president obama gave yet with the president speaking of a deep personal bond that he's come to share with biden. the funleral for beau biden in delaware showing how the bond has grown and strengthened over time. >> he made you want to be a better person. isn't that finally the measure of a man? the way he lives, how he treats others. no matter what life may throw at him. we do not know how long we got here. we don't know when fate will intervene.
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we cannot discern god's plan. what we do know is that with every minute that we've got, we have got live our lives in a way that takes nothing for granted. we can love deeply. we can help people who need help. we can teach our children what matters and pass on empathy and compassion and selflessness. we can teach them to have broad shoulders. >> one of the few times you have seen barack obama visibly struggle to maintain his come poe sure. aides say he wrote those comments himself. the words he chose, the emotion which he expressed the road
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since obama picked biden to join since 2008. by announcing his own personal support for it on meet the press. after biden did that several top obama advisors wanted them to come down hard on biden but obama reportedly refused that and yesterday obama went to far as to call himself an honorary member of the biden family. >> we have become part of the biden clan. we're honorary members now. and the biden family rule applies. we're always here for you. we always will be. my word as a biden. >> let's welcome this morning's
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panel. >> and robert george the local one. we're sitting here watching this live yesterday. and we talked about it on the air. and yesterday as i think about it it still strikes me i'm looking back and i can't think of a parallel of a situation that could have happened in the past where a president would express that kind of bond with the president. these are shotgun, arranged marriages. they are dysfunctional sometimes. >> you can tell that they appreciate and respect each other. when a tragedy like this happens you look back at joe biden's life your heartbreaks for the
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man. no one should have to bury one child, much less two. this is who he wanted to deliver this and thank you. to call himself an honorary member of the biden clan this is just like family. especially for someone like president obama who didn't have much of a family structure growing up. biden has always put faply first. i think that president obama sees that in him and that's something that he missed clearly growing up in his childhood and the bidens have welcomed him into that plan. >> it felt like the president was taking a step back and reflecting on the last ten years of his life and his journey.
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well you look back and mentioned lbj and jfk but reagan and bush were never close. clinton and gore got strained at the end. bush cheney hit the rocks. it's an awkward constitutional position that does not lend itself to a strong bond. we hate to politically analyze at the moment of tragedy. i'm sure this is how obama would want people to see how close their relationship is? is this the way to have a good vice presidential relationship? someone who is not overly ambitious? someone who has good ties to congress who can fill in the weaknesses? it's sad that we are seeing a window to our relationship. does it give some evidence of how this should be done? >> it's interesting.
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the ambition from everything i could tell has been there. he has run for president before. he saw, look i'm the two term vice president. in theory i would like to have a shot at this. he got blocked out like hillary clinton and everybody else on the democratic side. >> that's exactly right. it is going to be interesting to see over the next few weeks as to whether this tragedy is going to cause him to either make a decision to officially decide not to run or actually to go into it. i have to agree with what jessica was saying. it's the fact that the two of these men have problematic family situations that the president of course growing up without a father. joe biden having to deal with the tragedy. it caused them to compliment each other.
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getting ahead on the gay marriage issue. america is at a point where we're talking about relationships and families and whether, you know gays should be allowed to have marriage and full families. and it's kind of interesting that these two men who both defined by very different family experiences have actually bonded in both personal and political ways. >> and of course the other thing here, beau biden who is the former attorney general of delaware, who was going to be running for governor he had so much potential in his own right. >> he was the heavy favorite to win attorney general. i remember in 2010 everybody was shocked that he didn't run fr his father's senate seat but he seems to want to make his own
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path. he was still in the military. he just had that innate ability. you think back to introducing his father at the conventions and stuff, too. i think that was another thing. like, beau and obama are of the same political generation. you can feel fuel that bond. they are close in age. to have someone with such promise just ripped away so suddenly. >> no one should have to go through that. it's one of the ways of going hog wild. the first annual roast and ride. but first a dramatic and developing story in upstate new york. two convicted murderers on the run after escaping from a
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at this hour a massive manhunt is underway for two convicted murders who escaped from an upstate new york prison. men were serving life sentences. they pulled off an elaborate and daring operation sometime between friday night and yesterday morning. ever since they have been on the run. john yang is live near that prison in new york. that's not far from the canadian border. so john absolute top level security here. these two guys inned a they cut
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through steel walls and made their way through essentially steam tunnel ss he was briefed on the escape. >> it encompassed drilling through steel walls and pipes so this was not easily accomplished. >> the police are warning that these two men are dangerous to the public. one serving life without the possibility of parole for killing a sheriff's deputy. the other serving 25 years to life for beating a businessman to death and then dismembering him.
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deep thick forest all around which could hurt the search. and a reservation that has its own sovereignty with some friction between local officials and 25 miles to the north the canadian border. so far the search still seems to be centered around one area. we saw dozens of searchers headed into the woods around here so the thought may be that they haven't gotten very far. >> amazing story up there. appreciate that report. thank you. still ahead as we continue the potential candidate for president that nobody has talked to yet, we will be talking to him in just a bit. scott walker in hog heaven. we will tell you about that next. ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> scott walker pulling away from the pack both rit rally and figuratively yesterday. walker was the only presidential candidate out of seven to attend. walker wearing a t-shirt and jeans spoke about joni ernst. >> i love a senator who knows how to kas rate a pig, ride a hog and cut the pork from washington d.c. wouldn't it be nice to get an ally in the white house to help get the job done? >> as the new york time notes, walk ehren joys a decisive lead in iowa.
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>> scott walker's favoritability rating is 66%. walker at the front of the pack on saturday but will he be able to sustain a lead through the caucus s caucuses nbc affiliate in des moines. we have seen the early follower. slightly ahead of the rest of the field. >> i think 2012 probably showed us that. he opened up a lot about himself and --
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huckabee because of his success in the 2008 cycle. now anyone is just waiting and waiting and waiting. now you're really down to scott walker. if he decides not to do this and he was non-committal again about this if he doesn't decide to do this people are left wondering what's left of this straw poll. but, you brought in different people to the mix there. some of those motorcycle enthusiasts are not necessarily the ones who show up at a pizza ranch. you have perhaps a new audience and you have seven candidates or six officials, you had those
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seven people before 1500 iowans. and these are the types of events now that get magnified. >> i'm trying to remember the last presidential candidate i saw. a real matinee from 1996. she interviewed scott walker and one of the subjects was hillary clinton went after scott walker by name they passed these restrictions in their state. let me play what scott walker said. >> hillary clinton came out and supported universal registration
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of voting. would you support? >> i think that should be set at the state level. those are editions we have a photo id requirement. that's a good example. shows that she's firmly out of touch with mainstream americans. >> it was interesting to me that he went right to the photo id requirement. that was the one thing that hillary was not really speaking about. if you look at the polling of photo id for voting 77% support it and 20 oppose it. >> i understand why hillary clinton would want to do this. she is going to have to work on the base in a way that -- particularly with
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african-americans. it works within the democratic party. >> in terms of playing this out, if it's hillary clinton versus scott walker she called that if she's talking about these issues against them and she's hitting them. and they come back with all i'm say something you should have an idea if you want to vote. >> they played voting issues harder. it completely backfired. said get over this issue. let's get in the game on early voting and stop trying to
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suppress. all the candidates are not listening. they need to add to the republican base. and the problem is that dave talked about the political magazine piece earlier this week. just pandering to it. >> let me bring you back in on this. it was joni ernst. is she planning to endorse the race? who would be an unlikely joni joni ernst pick. >> she has said repeatedly that she will not endorse. they have both said repeatedly that they have no plans to endorse. it doesn't stop all of these
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you won't be on the debate stage. that ten candidate limit has created what the "new york times" describes as a hunger games type feel. especially true for one of the candidates who is still on the maybe list. jim gilmore. he ended his campaign after struggling to raise money. now gilmore is exploreing a 2016 campaign. he calls the response from republicans very encouraging. thank you for taking a few minutes. let me start with the clock you're up against. if you want to get in this race and be on that debate stage in august, you have got make a
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move. >> in order to meet with the people of new hampshire. i think i'm the only possible candidate who has been to every county in new hampshire. i think we all focus on the horse race. but, you know i'm just not a person who is willing to have my life or the life of the united states defined by the broadcasters or by the national party. not just simply worry about the belmont stakes on saturday and presidential debate on sunday. this is not a horse race but about the quality of life for people in the united states. >> the debate is an ultimate forum for getting your views out there to the maximum possible
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audience. we have seen how crucial these can be. from ten to 40 and winning it on the strength of those debates. i can't think of anyone who seems to move more debaters. how can you run? >> you can run whether you're on the debate stage or not. i was on that stage three times and i should be on the stage again this year. and you're right. that's what gives exposure and the ideas that need to come forward. we have to adrez what is important to the country and not to the show biz that people are getting more and more frustrated with i believe. we need to work on getting more americans working for higher
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wages and address the energy crisis. which of these is best able to address these issues. >> what is the jim gilmore pitch, then? you did try running before. it didn't go so well. what is it that jim is offering republicans across the country that none of these others are? >> a calmness and experience. i have been around. i have been the governor of a major state. i have been around foreign policy my whole life. i have had a degree on foreign policy. i was the governor during the 911 attack. i understand the national security and foreign policy direction in which we must go. that means that we have to have an armed diplomacy. sit is a serious danger in this
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country and it needs to be addressed. right now our enemies don't fear us our friends don't trust us and you have to have the ability to shape things with an active foreign policy. itd's not just foreign policy strong. this rumor that you're hearing about the economy is not true. we're seeing the decline right now. many are unemployed or underemployed. we need tax reform for more jobs that will create better wages and that's what we have to have in this country. and nobody is talking about these issues which is why i'm re-considering getting back in the race. i'm going to look at new hampshire and see how people feel. >> do you have a date in your mind when you will have a decision by? >> no i don't think that i have
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to have a date. i think i have to listen to the people of new hampshire. and consider this all very, very carefully. all of this all of the grand standing that is going on on the campaign trail and in the halls of congress where there's serious. experience calmness the ability to deal with these issues in a possible way is what i'm hearing the american people want. they're tired of this baa loney. >> all right. former virginia governor we look forward to your decision looking at a run for president. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, steve. >> still ahead, the update on the condition of the red sox fan
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>> president obama is in germany. he flew overnight arriving in mu nick early this morning. the meet willing cover a range of issues in helping combat isis to aggression against ukraine. chris is in austria that is just across the border. she joins us right now. what is the president hoping to get out of this trip? >> well he already got some beer. so a beer and burst, which is a tradition in these parts early this morning already. but look this is obviously spectacular setting for what is serious business you talked about the fight against oois. they will be talking about the
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greek debt crisis and particularly the first meeting this morning was a one-on-one with the most powerful woman in the world. between the most powerful woman in the world which has been a little bit chilling given the spying scandal. she had to call obama. he said the chief of staff to meet with counter part in germany to try to smooth over the waters. they are both very pragmatic leaders who look at what's on the table. the president talked a little about that early this morning. >> part of what gives me hope is the example of germany.
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this marks 70 years since the end of world war ii and decades of a great nato alliance. it marks 25 years since the unification of germany that inspired the world. the fact that all of us are here together today, is proof that conflicts can end and great progress is possible. >> the face to face is considered to be there, steve. >> still ahead, decision 2015.
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all right. there is a lot going on in the world this morning. let's take this from new england cape cable news. her name is tonya carpenter. she was at the red sox game on friday night. there's a broken bat that went flying straight into the stands. at the time she suffered life threatening injuries. a statement said we wish her a speedy recovery now being told she is expected to survive. it's a freakish accident. look at baseball stadiums now and say how can we prevent this
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from happening. >> upnless its's putting up nets. >> i was hit by a foul ball in college. >> in the head? >> no no. just the arm. >> did you see it coming? >> no i was turned around talking to somebody but it was terrifying. >> something similar happened several years ago. i think to keep a woman's mother at a game. you know this is you know, it's part of it. >> those things let's see what happens.
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bobby jindal expected to announce in new orleans on june 24. his approval rating in louisiana has fallen to 32%. bobby jinda will isl is fighting with the business community. he was one of the speakers he's in danger of not making that cut. right now in the top ten. >> they feel that regardless of everything, they could actually push through this and actually make it. bobby jindal seems to be competing with chris christie is competing with who is least
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popular in his home state before announcing for president. jindal was an up and coming guy. i just don't see it. >> you know what it was? the response to the state of the union. did rick perry ever recover? did bobby jindal ever recover? >> marco rubio recovered. >> he was thirsty. another full hour of news and politics ahead. stay with us. l never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ yeah! yeah. so, that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled. and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great. oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive. mmmmmm yoplait! good news everybody! there is now 25% less sugar in yoplait original.
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new details in the ties that bind the biden family to president obama in just a couple of minutes. and the secret behind bernie sanders' surge among some democrats. we begin this hour with jeb bush getting out his passport for a big trip abroad ahead of his expected announcement a week from tomorrow. the trip is to begin this tuesday with a speech in berlin. foreign policy promising to be one of the central ten nates. not only pitting the field against hillary clinton but there are also deep shades of. what is jeb hoping to
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accomplish? what does he need to do it? he joins us from washington now. sort of a right of passage. we have seen these things in a couple of cases go pretty poorly. mitt romney in 2012 did not have a successful trip oversaes. chris christie got in trouble a few months ago. what does jeb bush have to worry about? >> the biggest is dealing with the press, steve. you know that is what ended up tripping up mitt romney. it's what tripped up chris christie and scott walker got in a bit of hot water, too. but what is fascinating about these overseas trips is they are coming when these people are not yet announced presidential candidates. chris christie he went abroad. he is not a candidate. jeb bush does not announce until june 15.
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the mitt romney example and one that barack obama went is when you become your party's general election nominee, then you go overseas to burnish your foreign policy credentials to look tough and strong to look like you're capable of playing the part of president of the united states. but now people are doing it before they even become an official candidate. >> when you say the name jeb bush and foreign policy that is a particular challenge for jeb bush to deal with because of the legacy of his brother. we already saw a little while back just dealing with the relitigating and iraq war, how much difficulty jeb bush had with that. as he sets out to articulate a world view? does he find ways to distinguish himself from his brother? is there a way for him to do that? >> we really haven't seen on foreign policy him being able to distinguish himself between his
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brother. many of them are folks who ended up advising his brother or father when they were in the oval office. he is doing this a little on safe ground. going places like poland and estonia and eastern europe. that has been a pretty safe haven for republicans including george w. bush. it's usually when republicans go to western europe it's a little more difficult. i'm not surprised that we're seeing jeb bush go to a place like poland. >> interesting. there's red state and blue state. >> exactly. >> let's bring the panel in for this discussion, too. at the "new york post," let's talk about this question of jeb
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bush in the distance he does or doesn't need to put in there with his brother on foreign policy. on the one hand it's the obvious liability. on the other hand, the republican party especially in the wake of all of the isis beheadings has become a lot more hawkish and gone back to interventionism. >> becoming a foreign policy election. that's why you see so many candidates as mark said are trying to go abroad to burnish foreign policy kree dentials. really talk up those credentials, too. there is still the hesitancy that you don't want to get stuck in another quack myers in a way to sort of do this and how to approach isis and how to deal with that? and so someone would be willing to take it in a bad way. you hear senators talk up a lot
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like what marco rubio has, too. he needs this to burnish the kree dent credentials. >> he is getting pressured. rubio has done that in part by taking a hawkish posture. if he is meeting with foreign leaders and not embarrassing himself, george b. bush forgot foreign leaders' names. he never developed a rapport as a comfortable figure on the world stage. he was a lone ranger. if jeb in his body language is showing i'm a different kind of bush he obviously can handle the iraq question well.
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>> an announcement when he comes back, a week out. think back six months ago to the promise of the shock and awe that we heard from the bush campaign. they will raise a ton of money. we will make this big statement. >> when he went in with trying to grab the republican raiser. he was able to bully mitt romney. he ended up thinking he might give this. making this campaign manager. after that mitt romney decided not to run. what was so striking was that marco rubio decided not to get chased out of that contest at all. saying you know what? i thought jeb was going to be
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able to suck the oxygen out of the room. i'm not going to get in. and one of the reasons that the republican field is so big that is jeb has not been able to convince enough republicans that he's going to be the dominant person in this race. i think in one way to look at it back six months ago it looked like jeb was your front runner or a co--front runner. right now he's on the verge of trying to hold on to any front runner status. >> that is amazing when you think back to expectations. thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. i want to turn now to the deeply moving and emotional funeral service held yesterday for beau biden son of the vice president and former attorney general of delaware. the biden family giving him an incredibly personal good-bye in the most public setting imaginable. we learned that beau's youngest sister traveled with him to chemo therapy appointments every
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other friday. we witnessed joe biden making sure that beau's youngest son was okay. you heard how they told your father, we think we should marry jill. >> mom, you mended all of our hearts once. you made the three of us whole. you gave us ashley, the greatest gift imaginable. you gave beau his strength his steadiness, and you gave him a love that only a mother could give. you loved him with all of your heart.
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and we all know there was no one in the world you were more proud of. you adored beau. i loved watching that. and he adored you. and it's your strength, your steadiness that holds this family together. and i know that you will make us whole again. >> and hunter biden also sharing the very first thing he can remember. >> the first memory i have is of lying in a hospital bed next to my brother. i was almost three years old. i remember my brother, who was one year and one day older than me holding my hand staring into
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my eyes saying i love you i love you. i love you. i love you. over and over and over again. and then in the 42 years since he never stopped holding my hand. he never stopped telling me just how much he loves me. >> it was a moving service yesterday. obviously, a three-hour service. one of the things that occurred to me while watching all of that, and watching this for the past week joe biden is vice president and kind of in some ways become a punch line, the
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onion has made him a recurring joke, but i think people were reminded this week that there's a side of joe biden that people have a deep respect for and i think this week people were sort of forced to confront that and realize that. maybe something they hadn't thought about as much. >> that's definite tli case absolutely. i was also struck by how much hunter biden sounds so much like his father. i was reminded about a year ago when of all people when eric cantor left office so upset in a primary and somehow the conversation got around as to who you can work with in washington and he said look i don't agree politically with joe biden, but he's a straight shooter. he's somebody who can bring people into the room and get the necessary work of washington done. and i mean given how cantor had
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been a leader in the house and a vocal critic of this administration, that was pretty impressive praise. that's the type of biden that a lot of people on both sides of the aisle know. >> and at yesterday's funeral was mitch mcconnel. he's the one when mitch had been at an impasse, it's joe biden. >> when the white house wanted something done you send joe biden. his heart still seems to be with the senate. you know, he can work with republicans. you like the man. and another point what hunter biden talked about, i think this is the point where i lost it. joe jill biden to walk into a situation, they don't think of her as their stepmother. it was a moving article about
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how they came about. i was, it's just really touching and how they really it's a blended family but it is isn't in a way. she became their mother and how much they loved her and how much she is this glue and i think you see that in the white house. she has made military family such an emphasis and that is largely because of beau biden and his service, too. >> i was struck by how composed both of the children were and across the aisle, people are so sad about this. we talked about how we don't like dynasties. we don't want a bush versus clinton but we do like political families. we honor children who go into public service. we are deeply sad that beau was not able to fulfill his promise. it is honorable to see kids not
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cash out. i hope that's one take away from the moving service. >> we will turn back to politics. what are the secrets behind bernie sanders early success at least with some voters. we will explain that in next how the supreme court will decide when it comes to two of the nation's biggest hot button issues. stay with us. ano music) ♪ fresher dentures, for the best first impression. love loud, live loud polident. ♪ ♪ fresher dentures... ...for those breathless moments. hug loud, live loud, polident. ♪ ♪ ♪ one, two, three o'clock. four o'clock pop. ♪ five, six, seven o'clock. eight o'clock pop. ♪ ♪ nine, ten eleven o'clock ♪ ♪ twelve o'clock pop ♪ ♪ we're gonna pop around the clock tonight. ♪ pop in new tide pods plus febreze
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care law is ruled constitutional. now the subsidyies that help millions of americans pay for health insurance they didn't have before. the law was written in a way that allows those grants. more than 6 million people in 34 states could lose this assistance if the court rules that subsidies are not valid. when it comes to same sex marriage, the decision is pretty straightforward straightforward. is the right guaranteed to marry. the u.s. will become. >> we're about to have the supreme court decision that most people predict will legalize same sex marriage across the country. >> this court has let that happen. that might be the biggest evidence that the court is moving in the direction of saying it is a constitutional
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right nation-wide. >> i expect the supreme court to use the 14th amendment to thend issue. >> is there anyway that conventional wisdom could be wrong? dalhia, thanks for joining me. every piece of commentary i have heard is that it is all building to this moment when the supreme court will say gay marriage should be legal in all 50 states. it's going happen. is there anyway that conventional wisdom you see could be wrong? >> i have to tell you having sat in the chamber for oral argument, it really felt like the conventional wisdom you're describing is pretty accurate. don't forget the swing vote on this case has been the author of the three seminal gay rights cases and there was a moment when he was arguing with someone defending the ban where he kept saying this is about dignity and
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for kennedy, dignity is such a watch word. it's clear he really felt for these families for their children. and so yes i think it's a huge step. just watching his contact and argument, it's hard to imagine he's not going to vote with the four liberals. >> now to the other big case before the court. the future of obama care, this one shaping up to be much more of a nail biter. it hinges on whether it is written in a way that allows subsidies. some members of congress are working on a legislative fix to that part of the law in anticipation of potentially losing before the court. a way to get the health exchanges up and running as soon as possible. chris christie urged to pass such a fix.
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so this one is trying to understand the argument here. it's a very technical case that is being made here and yet it's made its way all the way to the supreme court. is there a scenario where the court guts this key part of obama care? >> is there a scenario? sure. remember, we have been talking about anthony kennedy as a swing vote. remember he defected probably at the last minute and voted with the liberals to uphold obama care. the question is this time when the stakes are really high you have between six and eight million people poised to lose their subsidies. debt spirals. the imply occasions are so huge. this is really having a ripple effect on the 2016 they have to choose between creating exchanges, propping up obama care or watching citizens lose
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health care. so the really consequences here the downside are so high and for the chief justice who really doesn't think exclusively in partisan terms he thinks about the prestige of the court. he thinks about how people look at the court to have a 5-4 decision gutting obama care going into election throwing the political right into complete chaos might be too much. so who knows. this is a narrow statutory case. but the ripple effects are huge. i don't think we know yet what this is goimpk to do in the coming months. >> let me bring the panel in on that. if the court, the narrow case. if it were to rule against obama care, against the administration on this one, as we say, the law could be destroyed by that or congress could pass a simple fix and that would change it. congress controlled by republicans if the court acts health insurance for these millions of americans is in
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jeopardy but obama care is in jeopardy. how will republicans in congress react to that? >> congress you probably don't have to expect too much from. i mean there will be pressure on them to deal with the chaos if it hand. i would think more likely the pressure would be put on the states. they made a petty decision to say i hate obama care. i'm not going to do anything for it. i am letting the federal government take control of the exchanges which is ridiculous. there will be a huge amount of pressure to say the ball is in your court. >> do you think so? the argument was that the states would never turn down this medicare money. these red states have held out. >> not all of them. >> you're right that there is pressure at the state level. congress, the then democratic congress basically put and
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created this mess because the lapg waj was not clear on how these exchanges would be set up. so now the ball is now in the republican congress. i think they will figure out some kind of narrow way to kind of keep the system as it is for now. if it does come if the supreme court does rule against the current language. they will figure out some kind of narrow way. they obviously have never been on board with obama care because it was a poorly drafted law. >> i'm curious, it was a poorly drafted law. robert george says that thousands of pages that we know of that a lot of people. .
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>> i think that it used to be the case. it would take decades. and this one gets up through the courts. it goes to how politicized the federal bench is. we know if nothing else we know that courts are supposed to interpret statutes chen it i think you really have to look at it as a testament to what has happened to the bench. >> thank you for joining us this morning. a lot of supreme court moves coming in the next few days. still ahead, the man who takes us inside the supreme court to places where the cameras can't go. next the secret behind the surge of bernie sanders.
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thursday on the issue of voting rights with a pitch aimed right at the obama coalition. a coalition that depends on strength with demographically growing groups of non--white voters. we think of this as a general election strategy and it is. this is a fascinating role reversal for her when she was cast as a -- this time around her deepest support is coming from non--white voters who stopped hillary clinton in 2008. non-wits are not turning on
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hillary at all. showing clinton leading sanders by 42 points among white democrats. among non-white nas explodes to 67 points. >> it is almost triple that number when it comes to white democrats. it's a fascinating role reversal. all of the states late in the season. we're hearing over and over that hillary clinton is the champion of white working class voters and now it's non-white voters, the voters who were not with her in 2008.
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how did that happen? you saw stories about how sanders is doing very well. he is from vermont. makes sense. it is not a diverse state either. he got criticized in his announcement speech because he did not talk about criminal justice and immigration. i think it goes to the fact that his support base up to now has been white voters versus hillary clinton campaigned for a long time on these issues of voting rights and immigration and things likely to appeal more to minorities. they start from different places. sanders could grow their support
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and get it more diverse. i think we may be over emphasizing sanders because the campaign is in michigan or ohio. she was running against barack obama last time. >> i think it points to something bigger historically. i could think back and every campaign there seems to be the hot insurgent candidate who emerges. they do well in the wealthy suburbs around the country. they have failed to bring in historically they failed to bring in black, latino and non--white voters and barack obama did an amazing thing where he united non-white voters with that traditional base. >> exactly.
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obama was, i remember i wrote early in 2007 that there was a worry among democrats that obama was doing very well among the bill bradley or howard dean voters. like you said get the elite democrats who are white and also get african-americans and minorities as well. minorities are a growing part of the country and a growing part of the democratic coalition. sanders or o'mally turns into the best bill bradley. even if they do very well even if you have the strongest candidate possible. we will have states where south carolina alabama, mississippi, these states are, have delicates
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in the primary. and i think the primary is overlapping. i think hillary clinton has done a lot of focus on this issues. she has given five two of them have been on issues that i would say really target. there is one on voting and one on criminal justice. you have seen they are focused on issues. but really speak to that coalition and will make it hard for sanders or o'mally to cut in. >> i remember in 2008 how the numbers turned hillary from doing so well. the minute obama won iowa. that's how barack obama won that big victory. really interesting story. thanks for joining us this morning. >> of course. still ahead we will talk to the man who serves as our eyes inside the supreme court.
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her brother was sexually abused by hastert. >> all of these revelations are starting to change people's minds. with 48 hours to go we haven't seen the former speaker. he remains in hiding. we haven't seen any sign of him here. huge amounts of cash on an annual basis. who the he because student that he was having a sexual relationship with and he was trying to cover it up. i spoke with residents here to get reaction to the new revelations and here is what they had to say. >> we were all proud that we had him in our area. and then when something like this happens you're very
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disappointed. >> it's a shame that a perpson of that kind of authority. what was he? second or third in line for the presidency right? and we are now finding out that that would have been an embarrassment for our entire country. >> now with these new revelations people here are starting to think twice about his innocence. >> thank you for that report. still ahead the new photos of prince george and his baby sister charlotte, that had the internet oooing and ahing this morning. but first the man on the front lines of supreme court history. stay with us. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue
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provided by colorful drawings like these because no cameras of any kind are allowed in supreme court. so sketch artist provide the public and history books the only images of these landmark cases. artist. hopefully the highest courts as well as the nation's biggest criminal trials taking us where the cameras can't. >> he will tell thaus he doesn't listen to the testimony because he is trying to see what color a tie is but he does. a man stood up in the back arthur captured that. he says he's not paying attention to the testimony but he never misses those critical moments. >> he spent the last five months depicting the trial of dzhokhar tsarnaev, the boston bomber.
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art, thanks for taking a few moments. the art of the courtroom sketch. it was interesting watching this clip of pete williams talking about you there. when you're in the courtroom and something dramatic happens if you have a camera you capture everything and it's done in a second. but if something happens it's going to take you a long time to draw it. what is that process like? >> it's taken me some time to learn that to learn to stop and watch what's going on and then draw. the minute you look down at your pad you're missing a lot. so really you're working from memory. >> how many in a given session, say you were covering the boston marathon bomber trial, how many of these sketches are you drawing on an average day in court? >> on average, probably about
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ten sketches. some things don't get finished but i would say ten, as many as 13 as few as six. >> what is it that you're looking for? are there certain requirements that the court has for the kinds of pictures they want to give you? are you deciding on the spot i'm going to draw this and that? >> sometimes i'm talking to pete williams or to a producer and i kind of know what they're looking for but there are certain standard things you need. you need the wide shot the scene setter and that's always time consuming. after that it's a question of paying attention and you know trying to follow the testimony. >> you're covering the boston bomber conference. there was a trial where there was no question that the guy was guilty of something truly horrible.
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and you're charged with sitting there and giving a fair and artistic rendering of him. does it ever make it tough to draw somebody? >> i think i'm trying to capture him as best i can. during the tsarnaev trial it was very difficult. the only way to get a front view of him was to go in the overflow room and look at the video. but as far as the emotion of the trial, that can make it very difficult when you have a witness who has lost a child and their testimony is just so wrenching it's very hard to see the paper that you're drawing. the tears well up exit's
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difficult. >> actually we had planned last week to have you in studio with us. there were breaking news. you were up here. people at home couldn't right off stage and decided to stake around and do a sketch of "up." this was last week on "up." you can see maine there. there's eleanor clift on the left. a couple of guests. there's the stage manager and everybody getting their 15 minutes of fame. it's a great sketch. we love looking at that. thank you very much for doing it and thank you, art lien for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> all right. up next, our first peckictures of the royal baby princess charlotte and her brother prince george. they are adorable. you will want to see them. stay with us. there we go.
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let's go to the guardian across the pond. first official photographs of princess charlotte published by the royal family. princess charlotte being held in the arps of older brother prince george. these photos were with taken by their mother the duchess of cambridge known as kate. charlotte will be baptized sunday july 5. >> she's adorable. i'm a sucker for anything royal. >> i thought the "vanity fair" shoot and call me charlie was too much. they are going too far there p.m. life of the royal baby. let's go to the new york times, a first for snapchat. the american action network, an outside group associated with the house republican leadership is have taken -- paid for a political ad put up an ad on snapchat. it was featured in a snapchat story for joni ernst's "roast and ride vent." will let's look.
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>> stand up for american jobs bile calling congress and urging them to pass tpa because if we don't lead, china will. >> now i see. it's an ad with the side of the screens chopped off because it's an iphone. >> i don't understand snapchat. >> we were hearing it was the dirty thing teenagers used to send stuff. >> i did my first sthapchat sthapchat newscast. npr has one. you can follow us @npr news. >> i will figurer it out. it's obviously becoming important to capture moments. >> it doesn't seem to be the right ad to send to the snapchat audience. on tpa? it has a weird reference. >> there is exerer peer mentation going on. if er you are on snapchat you will see the ad. you can't skip it. on broadcast television you're
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spending money for viewers who aren't going to watch the ad. >> i'm still getting used to meerkat. i was patting myself on the shoulder for adapting to that. finally, the washington post. what to say, what not to say on a first date according to science. a new study says both men and women are more likely to spark a connection if a woman uses words like i, me myself. men are more attracted to men who sound confident. they were less attracted to kind of, sort of and maybe. make declarative statements in the first person. you will be happily married with baby pictures like the royal family. steve's dating advice for the day. >> i kind of agree with that. >> thanks to the panel this morning. robert george bill share, jessica taylor. up next melissa maria sharapova.sharapova sharapova -- harris-perry. we'll see you next week. have a great week. can you pick me up at 6:30?
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