this morning my question -- what difference will caitlyn jenner make? plus the uneven playing field in sports. and cory feldman, also known as mouth of the goonies is coming to nerdland. first, addressing inequality in america. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. in 2016 it's populism populism as candidates vier for the title of manner or woman of the people. this time the democrats have competition. >> to the one in five children in fans on food stamps to the one in several en americans living in poverty, to the one in ten workers who are unemployed, underemployed or giving up hope of finding a job, i hear you.

you are not forgotten. >> but power, money and political influence have left a lot of americans lagging behind. they work hard. they lift heavy things and they sweat through their clothes grinding out a living. but they can't seem to get ahead or in sop cases stay even. >> as middle america is hollowing out we can't sit idly by as big government politicians paycheck it harder for our workers and then turn around and blame them for losing jobs over's. -- otherwise. working people don't need a government tied to big money or big government. >> hillary clinton isser harkening back to the new deal planning a vision speech at the fdr island in new york which kmem rates the four freedoms. freedom of speech of religion

from fear and from want. her competition for the nomination is all well from her left. if she wants to channel fdr, she better bring it. >> today we stand here and say loudly and clearly enough is enough. this great nation and its government belong to all of the people and not to a handful of billionaires. >> we cannot and will not rebuild the american dream at home though. our economy upside down in the first place. and they are the only ones who are benefitting from that. >> this is interesting. except for the little d or the little r in the corner you may not know if you are listening to a democrat or republican speaking. wie are we hearing this from all sides? maybe because right now in this

moment this is what they think people want to hear. and have been for several years. that attention was jump started by the occupy wall street movement of 20 # # 1 and sustained through protests for higher wages. recent incidents alleged police brutality that drew national focus to unequal american microcosms like baltimore. now the electorate wants something done and the would be

leaders need to present plans. joining me now, tamron drought, vice president of policy and research at dmos. she's working on a book about the new working class to be published by doubleday. raul reyes, attorney and contributor to nbc news.com. and anan gerdas author of "the true american, murder and mercy in texas." since you are new to the table, we have talked a lot about the 99 versus 1% as a way to think about inequality. you have written you think the 99 versus one is the wrong way to think about it. there is a different way to think about what the multiple american reel al tis are. >> i think it excuses too many of us who are not necessarily in the 1% but are living in a successful country. i think 20 30% of americans still live in an america that's the most successful society if the history of the rl world.

worked for world class institutions have a certain amount of access to hospitals, insurance, a good life good universities. two-thirds or three-quarters of us are living in a different america that's now decisively a second world country without realizing it. if we mischaracterize the problem as hedge funders stealing money from are the rest of us i don't think we understand the extent of oh institutional and civilizational decay in the bottom two-thirds or three-quarters of the country. >> the idea of the 99% was in part a political nl strategy to draw in more people. so you might be in the 70% but not in that 1%. it is an interesting point. in drawing in the greater coalition it might also obscure just how big the gaps are for an even broader proportion of people. >> i think anand is right. the degradation most workers in america have suffered in the

last two decades is extreme. the reality is the difference between having a college degree and not having a college degree is enormous now. people don't live on the same blocks, they don't interact. >> i tell my students military crawl across the finish line. it's not the same job market it may have been in the 90s but it is a bulwark against so many economic bads. >> the majority of workers and jobs the largest jobs growing in america are working class jobs. home health aides, janitors retail sales. those are the jobs that are adding the most to the economy now. they don't require a college degree. they don't provide a life of dignity and well-being. >> interesting point. when we talk about jobs there used to be a discourse that all of the jobs that don't require a college degree were gone. in a service xi they are not gone. they are here. they don't provide the same kind of life. my grandfather on my mother's

side never went to college. he was a delivery truck driver. he sold chryslers for a long time. he was able to buy a home . my grandmother never worked for wages outside the home. they raised five kids, most of whop went to college. i can't fathom that. >> i think that type of story isn't uncommon. my grandfather was largely the same way. for most of his life he was undocumented. he owned a home had seven kids who all went to college. for families today, there is so much in security. even those able to go to the college still face a difficult job market . part of the problem is it's not just our is system. it is the way we look at it with a type of i would say, a pal sis because people are frustrated in terms of with a do the we do. looking at our system at the macro level when you factor out things like tax policy and government spending policy s, structurally, the economy isn't set up for a type of inequality

we have. we are more like european economies. at least at the theoretical level good news is that just as we created a lot of the income in inequality with policies we can change it. but the question is it's a political question. are we willing to do it? do we have the courage to do it? what type of country do we want to live in? >> the way you asked the question i thought the like this is the political dynamite we don't want to touch which is a question of the resources that any individual family has, how much go to your kids and how much do go to everybody else's kids. let me tell you. when you frame it like that the answer many want to answer is everything. everything i have goes to my children and none to other people's. >> i have had the fortune of spending time in a lot of different countries, countrieser tar equal, unequal, poor rich. >> and you were born in cleveland. >> which is a developing world.

>> yes. >> one of the things you see in the least successful places on earth is that rich ander poor people don't just have income in inequality. they live parallel different lives. they want everything for their own kids and don't care about other people's kids. we are becoming in our omen tall ti if not in the per capita gdp a developing country in that way. >> that notion is one i want to dig into. i want to talk solutions. there are solutions to this. there are policies. there are ways to address that. before break i want to give you an update on the late forest are the g-7 summit. specifically the question about nations and where they are in the world. that summit got under way this morning in the resort town in the bavarian alps. president obama joined german chancellor merkel and the leaders of the other g-7 nations for two days of talks on world health economics, and international security. >> over the next two days we are

going to discuss our shared future. the global economy that creates jobs and opportunity, maintaining a strong and prosperous european union. forging new trade partnerships across the atlantic. standing up to russian aggression in ukraine. combatting threats from violent extremism to climate change. >> the germans deployed 17,000 police officers to provide security for the event. yesterday in advance of the summit some of the police clashed with thousands of protesters demonstrating against the g-7 and raising concerns on a range of geez political and economic issues. up next the fight for 15 hits the heartland. why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons.

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continues st. louis, missouri, is looking to be the largest city to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. the mayor is hoping to get the wage hike approved next week and get wages up up to about $15 by 2020. the city may face a major obstacle. the state legislature, the state ous is dominated by republicans who just passed a bill hoping to preempt the would be wage hikers. the bill would prohibit any missouri city from raising the minimum wage above the level set by the state currently at $7.65. governor nixon, a democrat may veto the bill but republican legislators have the numbers to override the veto the. we know about the problem when we look at the pew search center we have a gap between middle and high -- so this is the 99-1 making this more complicated that the median wealth of upper income families is seven times that and wealth is stagnant. pew saying we have a stagnant

wealth reality. in part all of this related to the issues of the mortgage melt down. we know the problems. what are solutions? >> well there are lots of them. i love that the republican party is embracing inequality and talking about it. when i see rick -- >> you're not allowed to laugh, raul. >> i see rick perry saying we remember you the people on food stamps, the first thing that comes to mind yes, but your answer is to cut food stamp funding. it's not to raise the minimum wage, not to expand the earned income tax credit to childless workers. it is not to invest in universal affordable high quality child care not to do any of these things that would help people who work hard and live a decent life and give their kids a decent life. >> as we to the end, one thing saying $15 an our . people understand more money creates a better economic circumstance. but these other issues everything from immigration reform to child car care to

reproductive rights are economic and inequality issues. they aren't always packaged that way. >> when we talk about raising the minimum wage to $15 as a point of reference, someone who earns $15 an hour and works $40 a week, you are still making $3 # 1 -- $31,000. >> gross. >> in major cities like los angeles and st. louis. not talking about a lot of money. there are things like we need more government regulation of the monopolies and what i call the explosives because tees things make republicans make their head blow off which is a pog sieve this can tax or possibly regulating the caps on the highest ceo levels of pay. those are things that are nonstarters for republicans. soo far although they are talking about income inequality to me it is a positioning of the message. it's not substantive policies.

they are coopting a lot of rhetoric from the democrat quick side. i don't see them as embracing social safety net or change to a tax system to benefit most people. >> i don't want to be the ambassador prosecute from kumbaya here. >> why not? >> i love it. >> sometimes we miss large historical turning points. the idea that every candidate you showed is talking about the issue is a big deal. it's a moment. if we all a think this is a problem let's start by saying, maybe people on the left who cared about this more than the right, let's treat the new enentrants on the right are as guests coming to your home ment pour them a glass of water give them a nice place to sleep and maybe exploit the opportunity to have an adult, two-party conversation in which we begin by acknowledging that the left has some so insights and some blind spots about the problem and thing right has maybe some insights and some blind spots about the problem. >> the idea of when we talk about populism how does it look? i can't lead this conversation

about both sides trying to do a populist message without playing a little bit of marco rubio talking about rap music. i promise i will pull it together. let's listen for a moment. >> your love of wu tan clan. do you have a favorite member? >> no. >> you can't pick a favorite? >> that's early '90s stuff. >> who do you like now? >> who do you listen to? >> i don't know -- listen to yes. not with my kids there. but pitbull. lives in my pleasuryes in mime. and there is a station called backspin with all the stuff from the '90s. i'm getting old. >> he's not talking about economics but is doing this i listen to the stuff the kids listen to. i guess i want it to be what you are saying new entrants everybody agreeing there is a problem and us dealing with it. when i see that moment i think this is politics.

i'm going to do this thing in order to get voters to think i'm a regular guy. >> we see it on the left too. >> 100%. >> hillary talking about being broke and bill clinton, got to pay the bills. it's an inauthentic way to present themselves as one of you. history has shown you can be a wealthy person and do all you want for social change. economic policies. they feel a need to the present themselves in this particular way. >> everybody is problematic. or a lot of people are. it's amazing in a cycle that's maybe the most inequal on the left is the perfect embodiment of genuine merit and all of that stuff mixed together. so everybody as their stains. but if there is an opportunity to say, you know we have liberal places in america like new york city. they haven't figured out poverty. we have places like alabama.

today haven't figured it out. when they have 80% popular support, no one mixes it. we need a new conversation. i think it starts with understanding. understanding the way jobs are important to people with dignity and well-being and on the other side how family community connections are important to being able to live that economic prosperity. >> and being able to name at least one member of the wu tan clan if they are your favorite group. thank you to the panel. raul will be sticking around. now to the latest on the controversy around den fis hastert. he's expected to be arraigned on large withdrawals to avoid federal reporting requirements to i pay off a man to cover up wrongdoing which nbc news learned was of a sexual nature. he's yet to comment publically on the allegations stemming from

his time as a teacher in illinois. adam, what's the reaction in his hometown? >> good morning. there is plenty of people if yorkville standing by the formerer speaker. others are starting to have doubts and be disappointed as more revelations come to light. in two days he'll be arraigned. he remains in hiding. we haven't seen him since the indictment a week ago. the new york times reporting today that in 2010 he started to raise a lot of money. he was in a rush to get money to pay off the alleged person who is identified as individual a. he asked a colleague how he could get an annuity that would generate cash on an annual basis to pay this person off. this was a person identified as individual a. that's what we are learning. that's what with people here are saying they are starting to have are doubts about him and his story. melissa? >> thank you to adam reiss in yorkville, illinois. next on the heels of the scandal

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the woman's world cup kicked off yesterday in edmonton canada. the 7th women'ser world cup will feature 24 teams for the first time. 1 billion tv viewers are expected to tune in. yet there is still a sense that the month-long tournament has been eclipsed by the other soccer story that dominated headlines for more than a week. that's the investigation into fifa, soccer's governing body that uncovered decades of bribery totaling more than $150 million. on tuesday, fifa's chief announced his resignation just are days after being re-elected to a fifth term. according to some another type of misconduct is part of fifa culture. sexism. for one, women in the sport don't get an equal playing

field. literally. this year's world cup will be played on artificial turf. conditions that male players don't have are to face in their world cup. players say the turf leads to hr more injuries and disrupt it is tempo of the game. last year 84 women players representing 13 players sued fifa and the canadian soccer association citing gender discrimination saying elite men's teams would never be forced to play on an artificial surface instead of natural grass. the athletes came warm-up a solution to install grass on some of the fields at no cost to fifa. but fifa wouldn't budge. in fact the official response was, we play on artificial turf and there is no plan b. in january the women with drew the lawsuit in order to focus on preparing for the world cup. then last month star forward and olympic gold medalist alexer mor dwan told "time" blatt the er didn't recognize her at a world

player of the year event where she was a nominee. she said i feel leek i'm fighting for female athletes. the fifa president didn't know who i was. i was being honored as top three in the world of that was pretty shocking. the behavior isn't new for the man who called himself the godfather of women's soccer. in 2004 -- that's actually making the guests laughed. he had a suggestion in 2004 for women soccer players to increase the popularity of the game. let the women play in more feminine clothes like in volleyball. for example, tighterer shorts. maybe then he'd recognize them. two-time olympic world medalist and nba champion with the new york liberty. raul reyes, attorney and contributor to nbcnews.com. jason page who cracked up at the idea are. >> i promise, america, no tighterer shorts. >> he's on weeknights on nbc's sports radio and from

washington, d.c. retired goalkeeper for the u.s. women's national soccer team which won the world cup in 1999. man, i don't know what to say. that was a lot. how big a deal is it that there literally is not in an equal playing field. that women will are going to play the world cup here on artificial turf? >> it is a really big deal. like you said earlier, there is no way fifa would ever even think about having the men's world cup on artificial turf. the fact they did it and then when the women objected to it just dismissed it outright goes to show the mentality of fifa that fifa has had against women with women for a long time. that determination to put our world cup, the biggest crown jewel of women's soccer that's one every four years on art tishl fur tr tur -- artificial tur the of is disrespectful. >> oner more soccer question

here. in 201 # 1 the usa versus brazil. that extraordinary game was watched by more people than the kentucky derby. and the new york times mentioned a couple days ago a men's team coming off that performance and tv ratings would have arrived home to several issen figure european club contracts, endorsement deals but the women returned to a professional league on its death bed. women's professional soccer folded the following january. it was the second u.s. women's soccer league to go bust since 1999. what's going on with women and soccer in the u.s. >> the one thing you have to understand is two different criterion for salaries and fees. so for the federation the problem really is not only the league but the fact that the federation has the men's team finish second in a world cup would have gotten bonuses in up upwards of 250, 500,000 dollars per player. i don't know what the women got. but i can guarantee you it

wasn't $250,000 a player. i'm guessing at the most they got maybe $50,000 a player. that's five ten times lower than what the men would have gotten. there's the original crime. of course then you said coming home and no women's league. the women's league disintegrating. that's been an ongoing problem we have had in this can i, trying to get the right formula to contain and maintain a whip's league. we haven't been able to figure it out yetment it's really unfortunate. >> this is not a problem that you are unfamiliar with in the sense of the wnba and the ways those same inequalities operate there. just this week we have the new york times saying maybe one of the ways to address this -- this is the new york times op-ed saying women would keep playing to half empty arenas. you could inject excitement into the sport and get the athletes more exposure by lowering the rims. >> mm-hmm.

my thought on that it's interesting. when you make a statement like you lower the rim ares at the professional level it trickles down to the grassroots level. grie up playing against guys. we all played on the same basket shot the same ball. it wasn't anything. there is always a gimmick they are looking for in order to improve the women's game. why is that? for so many years now we have had the best women this the world playing here in this country. dominant. in 2012 i was on the olympic team. we were there for the fifth gold and we had to fight for press. we talk about the u.s. and how great we want to be dominant and the best of everything. when you have the best do you the appreciate and respect the best? doesn't seem like it to me. >> but are the shorts tight enough? >> every year. do we change up the uniform? what's going on? >> understand. why do they want to gimmick it up? it goes back to are people watching, paying attention? >> hr more people watched the 2011 match than the kentucky derby. >> don't compare toyota the

kentucky derby. it's the first of the triple crown krass. the world cup is every four years. we have to cool it there in terms of making those sorts of comparison. at the same time we say gimmick it up because not enough people are watching. how do we make people watch? how do you make the wnba break into the baseball landscape that goes under that time of year and the nfl. how do you break the barrier if you are the wnba? i don't know. i'm as big a women's basketball fan as anybody being from the state of connecticut. but it can't gain traction. i don't know why. >> gaining the traction also comes from how people are covering it. >> exactly. >> rather than changing the game which to me is what we are talking about with whip's cup soccer. it's making it separate but equal which we know never really works out. what they should be doing is look at the way it's covered. the fact is one of the things i hear people say about women's

sport is, well, those games are boring, not excite ing. maybe some people could say it and to an ex tent you could agree they are boring because you don't see player profiles to invest in who they are. >> exactly. >> there is one wide shot and that's it. you don't have the bells and whistles men's sports have to make you care about the player the journey, the tape's journey. all of that we have in men's coverage is nonexistent with women with. they have to get the coverage if they can. >> i want to get into one of the biggest parts of this -- the money. water-repellent. up to 48-hour battery life and ballistic nylon back. that's your first "win." plus, it's only on verizon. the #1 network. there's your next "win." now for final "win." get $250 when you trade in any smartphone. and get 10 gigs of data for $80 a month and $15 per line. the win-win-win. a new way to save without settling. only on verizon. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. it's a new fiber supplement that helps support regularity

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and $31,000 per season but men get an average of $200,000 and can earn up to $7 million. there is a discrepancy with the with prize money, a big one. germany's men's soccer team won the world cup in brazil. the players we regard was prize money around $35 million. in 2011 japan women's national team won in germany. their prize money, $1 million. bbc are sports study into prize money found 30% of sports reward men more iegly than women. football, as we call it, soccer was among the sports with the biggest prize money disparities. during the break i was trying to think up a solution to the problem of building audiences. my solution is in 2016 we go completely dark on all media coverage of men's sports just for a year. we have the only televised sports the only print sports is only women's sport. see whether or not women could

get a fan base if in fact they were the people who were constantly on the televisions and in the newspapers. >> i'm not sure the major sponsors would agree with the plan. but i appreciate the effort. seriously, in response to the graphic about prize money, that's a very interesting graphic to me. i remember. i played in four world cups. i remember back in the day we had to negotiate our contracts with the u.s. soccer federation. that was a touchy subject for us. we thought we deserved the same salary at least as the men. eventually we got something comparable. what we didn't get was the bonus money. like i said the men were making $250,000, $500 ,000 for pab getting into the quarter finals, semifinals and we were expected to win our world cups and we

weren't getting anywhere near you know, ten times, five times less for doing better. also if having you know, the history of winning a world cup in the past and not able to come near the numbers the menner were getting in bonus money. it's a little bit unfair. er more unfair because if you understand the structure of how the pamyments are made sponsorship money comes in to the federation. they get the money from fifa. it's not earmarked for men or women. it goes into the pot. why not reward those who are doing their job with the money from the pot? >> as we are thinking about this we were talking about it on the break, how do you break through it. let's talk about the williams sisters. serena just winning. there was a moment women's tennis was similarly marginized. now it's not part of the

televised american connection to these women as players. >> i don't disagree with you. look at what serena and venus did for the women's side of the game spaesh in this country. it is interesting to see how it is treated here versus worldwide. there is a difference. even in women's basketball. the way it is treated worldwide versus the way it is here in the united states. we talk about this issue in terms of compensation. why is it treated differently in europe? asia and places like that versus the way it is here. what allows them to have a model able to pay people so much more and we weren't able to do that. why? >> i can say one thing. it also has to start at the top. who are the people making the decisions? for me when i go into a sponsorship meeting and we are trying to get a sponsor for the team. i look around the room and i say, i wonder if some of these people is have are a clue. do they look like you?

do they understand the game? have they played at that level? do they have someone who understands? >> do i they know about the young women who will buy the products because of their -- i think about my niece who was a star high school basketball player who, if any product had been connected with swin cash she would have spent all her high school dollars on those products. >> it's tesch. a lot of times our fan base the younger fans are looking for products. why do you have to search to to get your jersey? why do i have to search to get something from swin cash a book, this thatter or the other. go to the men's side and they are throwing endorsements at them. back to 2012 the women going for their fifth olympic dwold gold medal. the whip's basketball team. you could see the difference in how the coverage was presented. other going to win again. this is dominance. this is history. you want to tell the story. you want young girls to be happy. they want to be the next basketball player. >> when michael jordan was

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cooking lamb. >> apanda is a social worker by day who says even as a 5-year-old she loved cooking. she happens to be the first muslim-american woman who appear in hijab on an american cooking show. so she's hoping to break down stereotypes along the way. i'm pleased to welcome amanda to nerdland. nice to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> first, talk to me about cooking. you are a social worker but you are an extraordinary chef. >> thank you. >> what does cooking do for you? >> it's so important. my family gets together around foodment i'm visiting family in detroit now. we all get together. we are in the kitchen with my grandma. she teaches us her old world secrets and tricks in the kitchen. it's so unifying. you can have a great discussion with people when you are around good food. >> for me it feels like a universal answer to what food means to families communities. it makes master chef fun because

people come from all different spaces. >> absolutely. >> talk to me about your hijab and the strong mostly positive but i'm sure positive and negative reactions you have received. >> people are excited to see a muslim-american hijabi on this cooking competition. people are curious. you know why did it take so long? it's 2015. there are lots of muslim women who love to cook. i'm not the first. i though that. i hope i won't be the last to appear on such a great platform. people are excited. i'm excited about it. i'm being me doing what i love. to get the support i'm getting is incredible. >> it feels to me like one of the presumptions about hijab is it is representative of gender inequity, women being oh pressed. the idea that you would be allowed to be on television and cooking and follow your dream is part of what people are responding to. >> right. i decided to put on hijab at 17

years old by myself. my parents had a long discussion with me at the time. mom didn't wear a hijab. they were like are you sure? i said this is the way i want to practice my faith, show devotion to god and make a conscious decision every day to say my faith is first. no man in my life said you need to wear that. i wear it fashionably, i would like to say. no one is telling me to wear this. i'm doing it for me. i like to be out there and on this platform to say, hey, we are not oh pressed. >> one of the aspects when you talk about fan, community, religion faith, national origin is that food ends up representing those things. back in 2013 on the australian version of the show samir was eliminated during a time she had to make a pork hot dog. there was conversation and question about -- we have seen vegetarians on the cooking shows make meat.

i wonder about accommodation of food practices in the context of an american cooking competition? >> i have gone through my life not ex expecting accommodations if for ig anything. i'm here to play like everybody else. i want an even playing field. i don't expect accommodations. i'm not going to ask for it. one of the things i was preparing to be on master chef is i was studying how to cook pork. how to cook with alcohol. those are things i was inexperienced with. i studied so tate it wouldn't be a weakness. >> i love that sentence. it i makes me angry but gives me power. i never expected accommodation for anything and the sense of there is always that. might be a black woman. that's how we do it too. i appreciate your cooking and your bebeing ear. >> thank you very much. >> up next the caitlyn jenner effect and what the "vanity fair" cover reveals. cory feldman, aka, mouth, joins

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welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. one year ago this week time magazine featured transtrans gender actress and activist la kern cox with a headline proclaiming the arrival of the trans gender tipping point. in the cover story time's katie sitespan writes almost one year after the supreme court rule that americans were free to marry the person they loved no matter their sex, another civil rights movement is poised to challenge long held cultural norms and beliefs. trans gender people are emerging from the margins to fight for an equal place in society . the result according to time was a radical increase in trans consciousness. today the rapid evolution and our recognition of trans identity shows no signs of stopping. on monday the release of another magazine cover featuring another celebrity trans woman pushed

what was once marginal subculture even further into the main stream. in an april abc news interview with diane sawyer reality show personality and athlete bruce jenner started getting us accustomed to pronoun change that would soon be appropriate to reference the female self jenner has always identified with. she -- not he her, not him. with the release of the july cover of "vanity fair" this week we got our first introduction to her and the that i mean she's chosen for herself. on the cover, jenner shot by annie leibowitz [whistle] is in a glamorous pin-up style photo to simply call me caitlyn. jenner's unveiling of herself has met with support across media including from president obama who tweeted, it takes courage to share your story. jennerer said of the public transition i'm happy after a long struggle to be living my true self. welcome to the world, caitlyn.

can't wait for you to get to me her/me. there is certainly a lot to celebrate at caitlyn's getting to the know you party. people who never gave much thought to gender identity arer considering a construct more complicated than a masculine/feminine binary. more importantly reaching the tipping point opened up space for the humanity of trans gender people to be seen. as laverne cox reminds us on her tumbler this week that means looking beyond the glossy cover writing most trans folks don't have the privileges caitlyn and i have. we must continue to lift them up, get them access to health care, jobs housing, safe streets, safe schools and homes for young paem. we must lift up the stories of those most at risk. statistically trans people of color who are poor and working class. cox's point that we constitutionality see highly visible trans people without recognizing the vulnerability of trans identity is acutely

apparent in stories like this. the advocate reporting on the stabbing death in philadelphia of london chanel the eighth trans woman to be murdered this year. just this week in new york a trans gender woman pushed onto the subway tracks in an incident police are investigating as a possible hate crime. then stories we know of trans gender teens who have taken their own lives. so many in 2015 we can barely fit them on a screen. even as we remember this trans gender tipping point at the moment everything changed it's also the year in which life for so many peep who are trans gender remain tragically the same. joining me now, the executive drekerror tor of the national center for trans gender equality. raul reyes of on nbc news.com. the creative director of the world tour.

the ceo of the law project. and carlos mata program director at paid i can't matters for america. thank you all for being here. okay. we talked after the initial 2020 interview. are you surprised at what's been a genuinely and generally positive reaction to caitlyn jennerer? jenner? >> yes, a little bit, i think. butter very pleased. i have been very pleased at how the media has really taken the opportunity to to go in and talk to lots of different trans people. hundreds of trans people. i saw somebody on facebook yesterday saying a group of latina trans women went into a univision station in houston or austin and told their stories. so this one prn's personal story has turned into an opportunity for hundreds of people to tell their personal stories. i hate saying this. but the onion maybe has gotten

back. the onion did a story last week that trans activists were surprised that baskin-robbins has come out in favor of trans gender equality. that's the kind of year or two we have been having are. people are seeing us more. people are supporting us more . still right before caitlyn jenner came out, the human rights campaign did a survey that showed among american voters only 20% said they knew one of us. i hope caitlyn jenner has bumped that up a couple of points and all the secondary stories. >> this point about the idea of knowledge of the kind of intimacy is part of the margins to center story we have seen in other spaces. even if we go back to a harvey milk moment. it's part of the notion of coming out as a version. we have seen it in those that are undocumented coming out as undocumented. yet as an african-american from the south i know intimacy is

insufficient for a support of equality. black folks live right next to white folks through our history and it didn't necessarily lead to the sense of and therefore we must fight for equality. >> right. i think it is coming. i look at the trans gender community now. with caitlyn jennerer it wasn't a tipping point. it is one of several . i think maybe two years, thinking back to maybe two years ago when chaz bono was on "dancing with the stars." that's a main stream middle of america show. that's a show maybe your grandparents watch. just for him to be on the praping, to start conversations in people's homes. little things like that matter. what i hear about for many people is the notion people have of well what he wants to do is fine but i'm uncomfortable with it. that's a good thing. because we go os our society grows and evolves, we go from invisibility to repulsion to

uncomfortable. eventually tolerant. eventually acceptance. eventually support. this is part of the broader shift we are going through with the trans gender community. as wonderful as it is for caitlyn jenner as you touch on it here when you look at statistics of life as a typical trans gender person 40% attempt suicide. 70% of the violence aimed at lgbt people is aped at trans genderer women. the are reality of life for most trans gender people is difficult. >> not caitlyn's. i want to clue you in on this because i have long thought of myself as a good ally to lgbt communities. i don't know are, maybe five years ago just got red on twitterer. just when i used to really read the @replies. you think he's -- whoa ! i spent a lot of time trying to figure out the ways i was failing around the notion of sip

polygender as a social construct. that alone was so left out of my understanding around the idea of race as a social construct. and keep delving into the question. finding that so many of my initial entry points had been through people of relative privilege as they are in all communities. not having for example janet me the mox write text to me he. i wonder how we get better and not just applaud ourselves for being so good at the caitlyn jenner moment. >> thank you very much for having me on. i remember when you got red. >> red! >> i may have been one of the people. >> good. >> even three years ago when mara was here first and you had a big trans genderer in america story and there were no trans people of color. one of the ways we push this forward is centralizing the most vulnerable people which is trans

women of color. i actually brought redefining realness which was the blueprint of my path to womanhood . it came out in paper back and i saw you on oh the cover. you said you would be changed by the book and it's true. we have so many stories out there. it's not fair to have one person be the face of a movement. it's impossible really. it shift it is conversation to folks who are having access to things like health care that we can't get. it's just the conversations of people who are privileged. so my mentor always talks about change. dismantle and build. so change was the covers that we see. that's the change we want to see in the world. we see caitlyn jenner and laverne cox on the covers. we also have to the dispantle systems of white supremacy and capitalism. then we have to build back up what we want to see in the world.

i'm sorry i look tired. we were on set last night until 4:00 a.m. filming "happy birthday marcia." there are so many trans gender tipping points like in 1969 when street kids and trans women of color and drag queens said no more. and so those are all tipping points that i'm proud to be a part of. >> it's interesting that you bring up stone wall. we talked about it when we were at a moment trying to think about what a watershed moment is. we are looking for pictures, right? there is one image of the stone wall right. thinking about that. stone wall is without coverage in part because the media simply didn't bother to cover what was happen ing when stone wall happened.

>> we are debating what's good coverage. i was the first one screaming when i saw the "vanity fair" cover thinking this is great. at the same time that's a very specific depiction of trans people . >> and of womanhood in general. >> very dependent on resource that is most people don't have in most cases. one of the frustrating things is it tends to be celebrity and spectacle or yented. we love trans celeb 'tis and love talking about caitlyn jenner who most of us aren't like and will never be. when caitlyn jennerer said, you know, for the record, trans women of color face rates ofs have. that's the first time it's been talked about on national television. there is a problem of focusing on celebrity, ignoring less sexy things. the selma pictures are affected because they are cultural problems supposed to stories that are interesting and could be a segue into broader stories

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i want to welcome back wnba channel swin cash. just keep thinking about the ex tent to which bruce jenner the masculinity of bruce jennerer is in part constituted by bruce's role as a decath leet. this is how america understands how who bruce jenner is. i think both things at the same time i'm watching the usa world cup women in full makeup hair performing often this kind of femininity over and against their own role as women in sport. i'm thinking man, it just got really complicated in these ways that i think must be difficult for everybody dealing with masculinity, femininity womanness, manness, transness. i wonder how it plays out in who we are in the authenticity and sport. >> it's difficult, i think for

athletes. i knew i was woman coming on the show and i wanted to talk to athletes friends of mine to see what they thought about everything. one thing caitlyn jenner has done is open up the conversation. when we think about sports and athletes we think whenner you are on the field you have a masculine, strong tough. you are an athlete. you get after it. now it's switching and you are seeing a different side. we are different on the field versus off. you're having the discussion. what came to mind for me is a lot of people didn't want to touch it. they said swin don't go on the show. don't say anything. we are not informed enough. if we speak on it it's like death. i would like to see more people having dialogue and opening up the conversations and learning more about people like caitlyn jenner jenner, about cox. that will help us as a society. not just the athlete part but just if general. >> so on the one hand screaming with joy about the beautiful

"vanity fair" cover but also thinking that's a lot of pressure for any woman in her 60s to have to be pin-up cover girl gorgeous. even as we start to expand challenge the notions about genderer identity we are reinscribing these definitional pressures that are still very sis normative about what makes a woman beautiful. >> absolutely. i have all sorts of complicated feelings about this. it's interesting that jennerer is -- jenner is the oldest woman on the cover of "vanity fair," period. >> period. >> that tells us something. i don't know caitlyn. she may be a very fen identified person. this the might be her thing for a while and like most women in their 60s -- >> it's a lot. >> it's a lot. for me it's spg i think about.

i don't are happen to be an overly feminine person. but i would love to have shorter hair again. i don't like to fuss around. but for me this is a bit of a safety thing. i'm over 6'0" tall like jenner. i have to worry about how i walk around in the world. by presenting a little bitter more traditionally female i think i'm a lot safer. i don't know if that weighs in to jenner saying -- and i just want to say my friends and family are probably fascinated that i'm on television talking about fashion and sports. because it's not my thing. on the 50th anniversary of the griswald decision, for instance boy, you know contraception is at risk privacy is at risk. this isn't just -- this isn't my biggest concern. >> and yet what you said i

think, is so creditle callitical. the idea -- just if people don't know the lingo. in this relatively far row definition of womanhood that is feminine the idea of protected in the context of public vulnerability because of what we know about the vulnerability of trans women to violence and harassment on the street. so this is part of what laverne cox talks about. the idea of being drop dead gorgeous from certain lighting angles. being able to embody certain beauty standards. but it might not be about beauty but public safety. >> i don't want to be a debbie downerer. but if we can talk real for a moment. >> yeah. >> trans women of color have been doing this work in the media for a few years pretty intensely. we have a beautiful moment this year with laverne cox on katie

co uric where she asked about her private area. >> she flipped it and said i don't talk about that. we need to the change the conversation. people who are most vulnerable. there are so many other things. my friend and mentor talks about we need to kanye this moment. caitlyn, i'm going to let you finish but trans people of color are more likely to be harassed on the street. it's like we are going back to trans 101. we tried to push it to 201 and 301. even last year when beyonce was on the cover of time 100 and was wearing something similar to what caitlyn jenner was with wearing but she was more covered with a white sheer top on . beyonce got red, gotle called a horrible mother, relying on her sexuality. we need to point out and recognize the double standard for women of color and white women and whose boisd and stories are celebrated publically in the media. >> the question of body. i appreciate you for pushing

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this week as main stream media and followers on social media reacted to caitlyn jenner's "vanity fair" cover we got to see with a it looks like when culture shift ifs real time. the response is immediate if not perfect and awkward. some of the tweets mentioning caitlyn's twitter account were figurering out the proper pronounsment then inspiring a

twitter account that sent a reminderer to users that it's she, not he. there was the washington post publishing and retracting a headline referring to jenner bruce and the associated press that fumbled both proper noun and pronoun referring both to bruce and me. as carlos wrote, is violation of the a.p.'s own report aring guidelines but it was the least of the misstep ifs main stream and social mediament the a.p.'s fixation on her kelly advantage and va va voom fashion reinforces a problem with immediate kwa coverage of trans gender people. a fixation on their bodies and appearance. want to bring in one more guest, hannah simpson, trans activist and medical student. i want to get to the idea of body. this is part of the push-back. the idea of the conversation to be had is a body conversation.

as opposed to a policy or person conversation. >> thank you for having me first of all. it's an honor to be here in person . >> last time you were via remote. good to have you here. >> so i think the interesting thing is that -- i tell this as a story that there was once a man who asked a trans woman what's it like to be a woman now. seeing as she was a woman now he answered the question for her. >> there is a way in which the privileges of womanhood that obtain across. i want to play with the idea of bodies a little bit. it feels to me and i'm interested because you are a medical student. the ways in which the fixation becomes on our own nomination that it is our bodies that are the things that make us our human person. >> the thing that stressed me out and gave people anxiety about the "vanity fair" cover is it was unclear if we were

celebrating jenner because she transitioned or passed. it was the former that's great. we can see transness is beautiful and authentic and worth praise. we wouldn't know she was transer or passes for how we think a woman should look. it makes things tougher for trans people who probably will never pass with that kind of resource and backup. >> when you say passing it also brings this moment for me. for me passing for me the first click when i hear it is of course, racial passing. >> for me it's passing as straight. >> whatever the normative conception is, right? >> i think every marginalized group has to deal with the desire for a short cut to tolerance by mimicking the dominant group and trying to find beauty validity and some difference. >> the idea of validity and -- but the other piece is people pass. right? this is a brilliant work by

alfred hobbs around racial passing. people pass not because theyle value safety more but because of the protection question. whiteness came with values. not being cut off in a conversation if you are a woman. so in those ways the capacity to pass as cis, straight white are a reflection of how the identities simply have more goodies associated with them. >> first of all, i want to say passing is a terrible word. passing implies failure as an alternative. that's not how we have to think of this. if you see a woman who doesn't look like a woman you have seen before or a man or someone in between, it is always okay to ask. what pronoun they prefer and respect it once they tell you. second of all, that's your chance to expand your definition of a womaner or a man. this starts at any age. i think what caitlyn jenner has done which is impressive is proof that 65 is never too late to invent yourself again.

>> hmm. i'm glad you said it's always okay to ask the pronoun a person prefers as opposed to it's okay to ask. i had a black woman moment. it's not okay to touch my hair because you have never seen hair like this. i wonder the about the politics of navigating a world where people ask about your identity. you know i don't know that i'm sure i feel good about the idea of it's always okay to ask. >> to me it's not. >> maybe we shouldn't tell everybody to ask everyone. >> for so long i didn't touch the subject, much like swin said earlier. i didn't want to miss the opportunity and this moment to raise visibility for people who are gender nonconforming and exist outside of the binary. types people don't have language or access to that will sis to say what is a pronoun? do i have options? facebook updated into 50 options and people are still trying to wrap their head around it. >> i have a gender nonconforming

niece who is not trans but is gender nonconforming. i wonder about the way we are missing what would have been called the stone butch blues which are part of the story. it's not just a binary. >> yeah. those are the people who are most vulnerable and at risk. not everybody has the privilege of looking cis or looking white. i'm dark-skinned. i'm bigger. i don't pass if that's a thing. i am redefining realness in my own way. not just for me but for so many other folks. >> mara in the five seconds we have, if we had the policy agenda, what does that look like? >> the policy agenda is access to health care. access to decency. it's really about compassion, the golden rule. trans peep want to be treated like everybody else. we want to live our lives, not be murdered. >> again, as i keep looking for

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spielberg king of the reagan-era cineflex. epic danger check. a cast of cute kids in improbable danger while fighting grown ups, check, check check. pop icon cindy lauper sang "the goondys are good enough." it was a perfect storm of youth centric '80s pop culture that left many kids trying to master the truffle shuffle. >> first you have to do the truffle shuffle. >> come on! >> do it. >> come on. >> do it! [ grunts ] [ laughter ] >> well, those kids grew up -- kind of and converged this week in the seaside down of astoria, oregon where the movie was filmed. we wanted to see what goonies

day was all about. ♪ >> five years ago we had about 15,000 goonies fans in the town of 10,000. this year for the 30th we expect more. it resonates for a lot of people because as kids a lot of times we feel like outsider. >> we are here to cell are brat a movie that captured our imaginations. you see your parents go through hard time and stress. this is one of the first movies i remember as a kid where it freed your imagination to see what was going on. it gave the kids the ability to save their parents in this movie. >> they came together helped each other out. >> it's a timeless classic that connects us to childhood. it's an adventure we wish we would have had as kids. >> it's one of my favorite childhood movies. >> it's everything. the pirateness the adventure.

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tongue. [ screaming ] >> you boys like tongue? [ laughter ] >> that was a scene with actor cory feldman, then 13 years old and director richard donner's kwoez"the goonies" underneath was a story about kids fighting to save their homes from foreclosure. while not the most diverse on screen group they gave everyone something to identify with. mikey was the leader. his brother brand the muscle. data was the brand. chunk the group's spiritment when brand's girlfriend andy was dragged into the mix her spunky best friend was more than a match for the aptly nicknamed mouth. >> wow. president lincoln. george washington. martin sheen -- >> martin seen? >> that's president kennedy, you

idiot. >> same difference. i mean he played kennedy once. >> that's really smart. i'm glad to know you're using your brain. >> at least i have a brain. >> so stupid mouth. >> oh, yeah? >> yes! >> shut up. >> joining me now is the all grown up man behind mouth. actor and pew sigs cory feldman. i have to tell you that the level of enthusiasm from my executive producer eric and having a chance to talk to you before we came on air, you actually turned him into into a goonics e. >> thank you! bless youment bless eric. >> there is a debate raging if in nerdland now. is goonies just a boy movie? . >> heck no. we have more girl fans probably ethan boy fans. that's the crazy thing. every girl is like goonies, goonies, all the time. >> there is something about the particular idea of adventure, of

the language you used earlier is swash bucking. have we in any way lost that in our movies. this idea of young people on their own. no parents particularly to be found. being the star thes of their own story. >> their own adventure. yes. well i agree there is less of that. i think a lot of it has to do with so much politics these days. you have to go back 30 years. we didn't have such strict rules and regulation on parenting and what was responsible versus irresponsible and all those things which are now hot points and hot topics that people are afraid to you know president their foot in the hot water. in those days we didn't think about things like that. the idea of kids going off on an adventure was real. in those days they did. nowadays the biggest adventure is connecting on x-box live. >> my parents are terrific parents and all of that.

they weren't really -- i mean, in most of my day to day, i don't know where they were. i was there with my sisters, kind of groups of kids. >> correct. >> i wonder what was that experience like to be on set with a group of young people. were you having an adventure in the filming itself? >> oh, slueabsolutely. to this day everybody says what was your favorite film to work on. my favorite film to watch and my favorite film to work on which is two different answers. to work on the answer is simply "the goonies." who else could imagine having to go to work every day, to work on a pirate ship be with seven kids who are all fun and outgoing and adventurous. of course with the two biggest kids of all which is steven spellberg and richard donner. they were big children on the set every day. we were all playing on the water slides on the pirate ship. michael jackson pee-wee her man, cindy lauper harrison

ford. everybody you can think of wanted to be on set. when they unveiled the pirate ship it was like they had just built another world. everybody wanted to be a part of it. >> one of my producers wants to know whether or not you still have mouth's purple rain t-shirt t-shirt. >> unfortunately i was conned by a master manipulator who unfortunately was not a great influence on children and this guy plan plaited me into selling him my entire goonies outfit and pi bike from the movie for, like $40 when i was a kid. tragic. >> that's officially tragic. >> it is. but i have some mementos i keep in the house which are random. things like i have one of the original gold dubloons andy's a from her sweater which maybe kerry green may want one day. i don't know. if she's watching, give me a call. >> i have been seeing on twitter people asking if there are any

screenings of "the goonies" for the 30th anniversary. people want to see it together, i think, with their friends. do you have one coming up? >> as the story is blowing up big this weekend, everybody is there. i couldn't make it because i'm preparing for my first concert with my new live band. i have a new double album coming out called "angelic to the core". it will be out at the end of the summerer. i have a band of beautiful female models called the angels. we are doing our big premiere concert at bonnaroo alongside a "the goonies" 30th anniversary screening. it will be the corey feldman experience at the cinema tent. we'll do a concert with the angels and screen "the goonies." it will be fantastic. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> again, you made a lot of people's day today but particularly eric . >> never say die!

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in recent years chicago has seen a meaningful improvement in its high school graduation rate. at the end of last school year chicago public schools saw a 69% graduation rate but despite the city's progress students are struggling against long odds. the school is overwhelmingly poor and racially lyly segregated so for those students that make it to the stage to earn a diploma, it's even sweeter. when pope was in grade school she and her mother were homeless. in eight grade, she gave birth to her daughter three days before starting her freshman year. she was not defeated. she saw her difficult

circumstances as an opportunity for excellence and member of the national honor society and awarded more than $600,000 in scholarship funds and been accepted to more than 25 colleges and universities. tomorrow she'll graduate as her class valedictorian and i'm pleased to have her join me from chicago. it's lovely to have you here. congratulations. >> thank you. thank you. thank you for having me. >> i'm thrilled to have you. when you became a mother at such a young age, what did people tell you about the likelihood that you would even finish high school much less graduate at the top of your class. >> i was told that it would be hard. i wouldn't be able to do all of the things such as going out or hanging out with friends as much as i can because i have a child and she's not baby doll i can sit to the side and walk away from. i was expected to not graduate from high school let alone make it to my sophomore year. however, i did not let any of that defeat me and i kept

pushing forward. >> i am the mom of a 16-month-old. i am an old lady. i find it hard. what were the most difficult obstacles that you faced to get to this point? >> well what was really hard for me was not getting enough sleep. she was -- she would sleep a lot during the day so i would be up during the night. and i would get about three hours of sleep and i would have to wake up and go to school. so during my class periods i would be in there with my eyes wide open so i wouldn't fall asleep. also spending time with her. i had a bad habit of spending a lot of time at school because i wanted to keep my grades up and i felt like i was spending a lot of time away from her and things i felt like i was missing out on so not being able to feel more comfortable being at every moment she make in her life was really hard for me. >> those are the issues that

every mom faces that idea of getting enough sleep and also being a working mom trying to do what you have to do and want to be there for your child. so i know for me it's all about having a support network. who were the people that supported you? >> a lot of the people that supported me are my grandma's school teachers from west preparatory academy and a lot of my teachers from high school the staff, the administration they are all very supportive and especially my family my mom, my brothers and sisters, they support me all the way. my mom is my biggest number one support. she helped me a lot with my child and i have nine siblings so she has to help with them me and my child and a nephew she help with. she's a strong woman and supports a lot. the staff members from wells prep i wanted to stay close to

my school. they was helping me because i didn't want to go to a school where i was going to feel like i wasn't being appreciated and i felt like the teachers wasn't going to treat me right because i was afraid they would judge me from being a parent and my high school teachers they helped me a lot when it came to college and making decisions. my counselor. she went on every college tour with me. every college visit. >> where are you going to go to college? >> i'm going to western illinois university. >> let me ask you one last question. what are you going to say to your classmates when you graduate as valedictorian? what is your advice or words to them? >> i would tell them to keep moving forward. don't give up in life no matter how hard it get.

keep pushing. keep god first so you can be successful. >> i just want to tell you how much i am proud of you. how many other people are rooting for you as well. tough circumstances. you have done a great job. keep that network around you and keep pushing and being a great mom and a great student. we're very very proud of you. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. we'll see you next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. right now it's time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt" but richard lui is filling in. >> so inspiring. what a great interview. good to see you. he did what no horse could do in 37 years. how much money is american pharoah worth now? we're counting up the dollars he could make his owner. back to school. three democratic presidential candidates court the teacher vote. hear who received the highest marks and a first look at britain's prince george and princess charlotte. you see them there together.

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