." i'm michael in for ed schultz. politics nation with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," defending obama care the president hitting the supreme court just days before ruling that could uphold the law or create a health care disaster. also, did they have help? new questions tonight about how they got out and the manhunt for those two escaped murders. a dramatic new move from the white house that could give ocho raise to millions of american workers who need it most. welcome to "politics nation." there is a big supreme court ruling on obama care coming any day now. millions could lose their insurance, tomorrow the president is going to talk about it and today he gave a preview

going right after the conservative case against obama care. >> it's a bad idea. it's not something that should be done based on a twisted interpretation of four words as we were reminded repeatedly a couple thousand page piece of legislation. once more, the thing is working. part of what is bizarre about this whole thing is we haven't had a lot of conversation about the horrors of obamacare because none of them come to pass. none of the predictions of how this will work have come to pass. >> the president talked about the predictions, the horror predictions that didn't come to pass. let's look at some of predictions. they said it was a job killer. that didn't happen. death panels. whatever happened to the death

panels that were predicted? death spirals and it would pull the plug on grandma. these were actually said by many respectable people on the right, not just the french. the fact of the matter let's look at what actually happened under obamacare. 6.3 million rose now to 10.2 million from 2014 to 2015 actual numbers, and jobs increased every month. grandma didn't have the plug pulled on her. all of hysteria all of the horror predictions flat on their face, and on top of that the american people get i because look at the new poll on what the public is saying about supreme court decision. should supreme court block federal subsidies? should not.

55%, 38% said they should. 55% said they should not block. the people get it. why? because all of the predictions proved to be a lot of rhetoric and a lot of horror predictions that didn't pan out. let me bring on john walsh and the great congressman emanuel cleaver. thanks for being with us. >> thanks. >> congressman, the horror predictions vnlhaven't worked 10.2 million people insured, many never insured before they had prospect yet, on a technicality of language, a phrase that by the states rather than by the states in federal government were playing almost semantics here in my opinion, we may lose

millions of people. >> we'll lose if the supreme court should go the political route, we'll lose over 6 million people who were insured. look -- >> 6.4 million to be exact. >> yes. almost 6.and would grow if some other states were cooperating. >> that's correct. >> i never missed a single debate, nor did i miss any votes and this issue whether the federal government could allow tax credits to subsidize insurance was never brought up by a single member of congress not once. not even a piece of a sentence. all we heard from them is that if you pass the aca, dracula is going to bite you on the neck and he's going to send your children to live with frankenstein and after that they will have some kind of a big party with zombies. it was one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen and this is politically

motivated, those who put it together are trying to find a way to do damage to the president but they are going to damage the republican party and do serious damage i think, to many in the american public getting insurance. >> they will do damage joan if supreme court rules in their favor to specifically 6.4 million people and the american people. their party not with standing the damage it would do politically but i want to go back to what the congressman said because this is the core issue. let's get the right premise to get to the right conclusion. >> right. >> there was no confusion. >> none. >> that the federal government could give subsidies because congressman cleaver said it wasn't inferred we weren't talking about the federal government but on this little technicality that federal was not put in the law, only state, they want to risk 6 million

people when it was never even discussed in the debates. >> well i have hope the semipreem court will not do this and the majority will not overturn this because there are so many presidents, reverend al where the court looks at the sense of congress. it's easy to get the sense of congress and the court doesn't penalize for clerical error, if we were in another time we know they would have cleaned up the language and things that might have been fuzzy about the bill but there was no potential for republicans to participate in the basic cleaning up. i really am so what optimistic hopeful about the supreme court and very pessimistic, in the swing states they actually care more and even really more don't want the supreme court to overturn the subsidies but even to the swing states where are the 2016 candidates? why aren't they standing up and

saying this is what we need to do and this is an issue to take care of which they. they are not. >> congressmen, the fact that they would even propose this to the supreme court and i love that joan is talking to two preachers and has the faith and hope but the fak of thect of the matter is even the fact remains that they would even propose it and would this court been right wing, we don't know which way they would rule shows a real insensitivity, a gross insensitivity to the people that benefitted and that need this benefit. >> well, it's good to have faith in our i'm going to embrace her embracing faith. however, i was surprised that the supreme court accepted this case because historically as you said or maybe joan said it legislative intend is what the

courts have historically used when they were dealing with legislation, and legislative intent is clear. the structure, the text is clear, and if we don't somehow get the supreme course to understand this issue, i think that it's going to do enormous damage. human beings bottom line is people will be heard, there will people that will go to bed and wake up and don't have he'll insurance and the hope the people pushing this poll literally motivated lawsuit will be happy just to see 6.4 million people without insurance, that's almost 200,000 of them in my state of missouri alone. >> joan logic would say that no one would want to risk that and especially when you talk about a word. but then today i look and on twitter i see a gop senator john

tweeted 6 million people risk losing health care subsidies yet potus continues to deny obamacare is bad for the american people. i spent a lot of time rereading this. >> yeah. take it apart, rev. >> there is absolutely no logic to the point that he's making. 6 million people risk losing health care. >> that's a tragedy, okay. >> yet, the president continues obamacare, which is what is giving them the health care. so he's against the president doing what he regrets they are going to lose. with people like this sitting in the senate and they are supposed to be logical, do you understand why i'm nervous? >> they are shameless. they will blame this on obama

and they are going for a turn out the base strategy. they are not looking at the swing states and trying to win over the base in the primaries and that leaves no one in any kind of position of leadership saying okay you know what? we'll do the right thing. we don't like obamacare but this is going to throw people into chaos. we'll repeal it when i become president, maybe i'll repeal it but for now we'll give them certainty they can have health insurance. >> congressman doesn't that give us a state of where we are where no candidate said anything and you have gop senators playing to the base vote so to their incoherent on twitter? this is a real polarized, i think, politically poisonous type of atmosphere.

>> this whole issue that the supreme court will actually hear and, well actually they already heard back in march arguments but they are going to render decision shortly, and it's based on politics. not saying the supreme court's decision was based on politics but the fact it was brought to the judicial system and i hoped the court wouldn't accept this because it is clearly political and as joan said in a more sane season, those that we used to have in this country, congress would simply have amended the legislation to take care of this little gra mat tickr error. >> i am a man of faith and child of hope but the fact they accepted case makes me a little nervous. the fact that even hearing it makes me a little unsettled.

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now to a growing manhunt for two convicted killers, the prison break in upstate new york sounds more like a movie than reality. today police saying over 300 tips have poured on prisoners richard matt and david sweat who escaped the maximum security clinton facility this weekend in upstate new york. just 25 miles from the canadian boarder. officials say they could literally be anymorewhere. miguel with more on the search. >> 250 heavily-armed officers combing the woods searching semimartys and schools, sweat was serving life after shooting a sheriff's deputy 22 times and matt serving for kidnapping beating, and dismembering his

boss. the prisoners in side by side cells, stuffed bunks with clothes to avoid detection and cut holes through the steel wall behind their bed and crawled on the this cat walk six stories broke through a brick wall cutting holes into and out of a 24-inch steam pipe shimmying between the prison wall ask breaking out of a manhole more than a block away. they left behind a post it note with a racist image reading have a nice day. >> nbc's john yang is live outside the prison. john, give us the latest in the search for these men. >> reporter: well, reverend, the search is still going on. searching the farm land woods surrounding this village high in the decks not far from canada along the canadians boarder, the u.s. customs and boarder patrol set up lanes to check cars leaving the united states going

into canada. they say there is a heightened awareness along the boarder and also notified officials in mexico because one of the two men who escaped spent some time in mexico before he was extradited to face trial that ended him up here in this prison. they are also trying to figure out just how this happened how they were able to get a hold of the tools to carry all this out, how they knew the steam tunnels and pipes underneath this prison, they are interviewing civilian workers, interviewing private contractors who do work in the prison all trying to find out where they are and how they got out, rev? >> how is the community, the surrounding community? how are they handling this? >> i tell you, today there is some anxious times for parents. they did go to school today. their children went to school.

the schools were open over the weekend. officers searched all the schools, secured all the schools trying to reassure the community that everything was safe. everything did go off without a hitch. new york state police officers were stationed at every school just in case. this is still a city orville village, going in and out there are check points checking the trunks of cars and checking inside cars to figure out if those convicted killers are still hold up here or on the run somewhere else. reverend? >> nbc's john yang thank you for your reporting tonight. now let's bring in former fbi profiler and msnbc contributor client. how do investigators begin tracking down the two men? first, they have to look at their activities the last few months. who were they talking to? who were their friends talking

to? you start at the epicenter, which is the manhole they popped out of 48 hours ago and spread out from there. and there is two prevailing theories one is that two guys like the this would stay together hunker down in a local area maybe go to the an abandoned barn maybe break into a house and hold people captive, but the police are going door by door the other theory says that safe money would say these two guys would split up go opposite directions, maybe one to mexico one to canada but split up somehow because we're all looking for these two dangerous-looking guys traveling together. so put a baseball cap, sunglasses on them send them opposite directions maybe they think they can get away from this point. >> how dangerous do people in law enforce mscement think they are?

>> these two guys were in the honors block, which means they hadn't screwed up in prison so they got certain privileges. so much for the honor system in prison, we've got two killers that are now on the run. but we got to call tie that. one of them killed a deputy sheriff, obviously he's dangerous. another guy killed his boss because his boss fired him but these two guys are on the run trying to get away. the last thing they want to do is bring attention on themselves, if in fact they want to disappear into society and never be seen again. >> now, you know the prison is a maximum prison. i have visited prisoners there, famous artist was there i visited once. >> yeah. >> it's inconceivable to me they could have done this without help going through all of what they had noto know and materials. how long do you think it took the men to plot the escape? >> weeks, maybe months.

one of them we're told may have been able to motivate or get somebody on the inside to help them. some suggest maybe a female employee, maybe somebody on the inside. somebody had to help them, had to help them get tools, had to help them ability to disappear. al, you and i have seen guys escape from prison and they pop out of prison and it's like what do i do now? where do i go? they put their efforts on the escape. these guys so far it looks like have covered the front end and the back end. how do i he out and where do i go from here? that's where law enforcement will figure out how they got out. what they have to do is get these guys in custody before they run into a police officer or a member of the public who gets in their way and one or both of these guys decide they will go over the top of them. >> according to news reports today, a woman inside the prison

may have helped the prisoners what do you make of these reports, clientnt? >> these guys are killers, one has been identified the older guy, matt is his last name is supposed to be somewhat of a conman, ladyies man. half a dozen, ten years ago, where the guy out in california he killed his nine month pregnant wife scott peterson. this guy to this day still gets proposals that are acceptable to him. so guys in prison sometimes they are the mystery man and there are some women that like that mystery. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up a texas officer is on leave after video surfaces showing him pushing a teen girl down and pulling a gun.

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i hope he, she has found peace. i'm a prolife traditional marriage kind of guy but i'm running to be president of the united states. if caitlyn jenner wants to be a republican, she's welcome in my party. >> i disagree with senator gram on most issues but on this he's saying the right thing. good for him. that was a sincere response to caitlyn jenner's transition and a sign senator gram wants to welcome more people in his party. we heard a different reaction to genre from a different potential candidate. >> it's a personal decision and to me i don't know there is anything more to comment,ist just a personal decision. >> wow that was a quick answer. i'll play it again in case you missed it. >> well i think it's a personal decision and to me i don't know there is anything more to comment on i. it's a personal decision. >> scott walker spent less than five seconds talking about caitlyn jenner, he couldn't wait

to talk about something else. like how he would support a constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality. >> well, i personally believe marriage is between one man and one woman. if the court decides that is ultimately to consider pursuing a constitutional amendment. >> so you would favor a constitutional amendment that says the states are allowed to ban same-sex marriage. >> i believe it should be left up to the states, yeah. >> governor walker is on the wrong side of public opinion. a a poll found 63% of americans think there should be a constitutional right to marry for same-sex couples, the country is changing moving forward for the better. too bad candidates like scott walker are still stuck in the past. joining me now is jess mcintyreelderry

mcint the osh and emily list. thank you for being here. >> thank you, good evening, reverend. >> jess some say scott walker is the new front runner. what do you make of the comments on social issues? >> i think he thought putting on a leather motorcycle is all he needed to do to convince people he belonged in the 21st century, unfortunately, then he opens his mouth and becomes very clear that scott walker is going to do nothing to make the republican tent any bigger and in fact he's going to drive away a lot of younger folks who might even be inclined to vote republican. marriage equality a huge generational split issue, 73% of younger people say that they believe that same-sex couples ought to have a right to marry. for walk tore say even if the courts don't agree with me on this i think we can keep fighting for this thing everyone knows is about love and will be part of the world from now on. we'll keep fighting back for this and see how far back into

the 20th century we can take policies. >> well let me play on that last point that jess made because there is a real split within the republican party that's generational, she referred generational in terms of all voters but in the party over rights only 36% of republicans over 50 say same-sex couples should have a constitutional right to marry, but among republicans younger than 50 59% agree, only 36% of those over 50 but 59% of young people in their own party agree they should have that. are today's candidates turning off tomorrow's voters margie? >> absolutely. the issue here is not just where people are currently. this has been such a rapidly moving issue. what we really need to look at is where it's going and where

it's going, this is no mistake. every time a pole comes out about same-sex marriage the lead line is now record high in the poles show support for same-sex marriage going on for awhile, doesn't matter what outlet you look at. there is a study that showed nearly 3/ 4ths of democrats say it's inevitable we'll have same-sex marriage legally across the country. so people see where this is headed and when you have republican candidates trying to find terms of art to reign it in when everybody sees where this is going, it reenforces they are the party of the past than the party of the future. >> jess a new poll shows the country is moving the other way from this conservativessmconservatism. more voters are describing themselves as liberal and fewer as conservative. 26% of americans say they are

liberal up 3% from last year and 33% say they are conservative which is down 4% from 2014. what is driving that change in your opinion, jess? >> i think we're seeing a bigger contrast than ever before between the parties as republicans have moved farther and farther to the right. we're watching hillary clinton stake out popular opinions and issues when it comes to giving the undocumented immigrations a path to citizenship. that's a really popular position that no one on the right has. they are still debating should we build a fence or should we give them something slightly less than citizenship. hillary clinton wants voting once you turn 18 or issue more voting restrictions. we're seeing a clear contrast and i think more americans that would be in that middle that might have identified as conservative before are looking at these policies and saying

you know what? that's not me. and that's why their numbers are smaller than they have been. >> you know, margie in 2004 president bush called for a constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage and it was a big wedge issue in the campaign. listen what he said. >> if we prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in america. >> now back then this was an issue that helped the republican party, but 11 years later, won't this hurt them? >> it's clear that it will hurt them and it reinforce and activate as narrative that people think that some folks on the right are two tied to the past in digging in against trends of where people are go ging you said about an increase of people that self-identify as liberal. gallops show among the

republican base there is a drop in the percentage of republicans who identify as both socially conservative and economically conservative. you see a drop in folks who identify as socially conservative across party lines and even when you look at specific issues a whole variety either personal liberty or whether things like the death penalty or things where we have more national policy debates, people are moving left ward on all of them across the board. same-sex marriage is visible and clear, but it's happening across the board and for republicans to dig their heels in and fight for this right territory, it puts them at a disservice for a general election. >> jess and margie, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, president obama has a plan to give a pay raise to millions of americans and republicans can do anything to stop it we'll tell you why. but first, the feel good story

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because no one who works full-time in america shouldovertypoverty, i'll keep making the case to raise the minimum wage because it's lower than when ronald reagan took office. time for the minimum wage to go up. >> time for the minimum wage to go up. why? because american workers need to be able to make an income that can provide for their families. we haven't seen it go up since ronald reagan at the same kind of gap that we faced decades ago when you compare inflation to income but the republicans were adamant in blocking the president so he decided to do something else. here is the president 15 months ago on hiking over time pay. >> over time is a pretty simple

idea, if you have to work more you should get paid more. if you're working hard you're barely paging ends meet you should be paid over time period. becausework working americans struggled through stagnant wages too long. working more and getting less in return. >> gets less in return working more getting less. well, that may change this week by the president directly dealing with this the not having to go through an obstruction of congress because the reality is if you make a little over $23,000 a year, just $23,660 a year if you make anything over that, you cannot get over time pay, which means you could be literally living in poverty if you're a family of four and working over time for nothing. we have got to stop this.

i'm glad the president is talking about moving this week at doing what this congress should have done with minimum wage but at least millions will benefit with a change in overtime pay. we're going to talk about this important debate with former secretary of labor hilda solas. thank you for being here secretary. >> thank you, reverend good to see you again. >> good to see you. now over time pay for over time working, will this affect many? >> you're talking about millions of americans that will be impacted because this original rule wasn't updated since back in the 1970s, 1975 to be exact and right now the threshold for individuals is as you said $23,600.

well, that's poverty wages by our account right now, so if you are to lift that and do you remember it or at least go up to 40,000, that will help to provide assistance for millions and millions of working men and women that are working right now, some 60, 70, sometimes 80 hours a week and not getting paid over time and sometimes these employees are misclassified and put into a manager category and not paid. so for example, the example we point to the a lot is someone working at say, mcdonalds or a fast food restaurant classified as a manager and have to work maybe 40 or 50 hours and don't get paid yet, they are working at the same standard that maybe the other employees are. that's not fair and this is about fairness and this is a law that went into place in the 30s. 1938 coming out of recession because people needed to have guarantees that you would be paid and honored for the work hours you provided. that's all this is and i'm glad that the president is moving in this direction, we tried to work

on this a couple years ago when i was their secretary but i know how important it is for working americans to get relief especially when you have a congress that doesn't even want to entertain the notion of raising the minimum wage. >> and you know secretary, it is so blatant to me when we looked back and found that in 1975, 65%, 65% of workers fell under the over time threshold. today only 12% fall under the over time threshold, so we are addressing a problem and the president is making a move this week to fix a problem that exists this is the not something that's just being done to be doing i. this is a real problem when you see how few people fall under the threshold today percentage-wise as opposed to the 1970s.

>> what will happen is the president will actually issue an executive order. this will then go through the process. it will receive public comment, people will have a chance to make the comments and then it will come back to the agency to the department of labor and then if everything goes well then that will go into inch menmplantation. perhaps on the other side people are l say no this is a job killer when in fact it will allow for people to maybe take time off and be with their family and not families and not have to work so darn hard and not be paid for i. it's about justice. it's about equality and fairness. right now with the unemployment rate at 5 pmt.5% says the economy is coming back. >> when you look at the fact that the economic policy institute says that this increase would and this is their quote, it would disproportion anytimely help women, blacks hispanic workers under 35 and

workers with low levels of education, so these are the people that really need it the most. i was also noting this weekend that hillary clinton called in to a conference of fast food workers who were calling for $15 minimum wage, and she says quote, i want to be your champion. i want to fight with you every day. so it seems to be a battle now in main stream politics and be lead by the president in the why house that we've got to not just talk about income equality we've got to do something about it for those that are working. >> exactly and people need to contact their legislators, people many congress and the senate and let them know that they support the this executive order and this particular procedure that the president is pushing forward. it's time for americans to take back their wages and this is one way to do it to help remedy ourenour economy, put people back to work

and not rely on public assistance because if you're making poverty wages, $25,600, that's poverty wages below the lines, we need to do that and speak up and have our voices heard. >> former labor secretary hilda solas, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. the south carolina police officer who shot and killed walter scott charged with murder by a grand jury. what happens now? benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, i thought i'd have to give him away. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just 2 pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong.

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scott's back as he ran away. the this highlights the importance of video that can provide key evidence in interactions against the police and community like in this next case that has a lot of people talking and concerns a police officer in mckinney texas has been placed on administrative leave after a video surfaced showing him throwing down a 15-year-old girl at a pool party, and then pulling his weapon. police say they were called by reporters of a disturbance among juveniles but cameras did not capture anything leading up to the encounter with the police. the 15-year-old girl was released to her parents. the police are investigating the incident. we'll monitor this when you have kids in bathing suits and bikinis, clearly there does not seem to be any reason to throw a 15-year-old girl and put her face down and then pull a gun. there were no life extenuating

circumstances that we could see. that's why video is important. imagine if there was no video what the story may be. let's continue to monitor this. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton "hardball" starts right now. hilary leads left. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington the big news this monday is that hillary clinton, the democratic front runner will offer herself this week as the candidate of the democratic left. no center course for her as there was for bill clinton in the 19 90s, no third way, already she steered left on immigration and gay marriage and promises to be equally tough