sidents are anxious. cops are investigating that prison break in upstate new york saying they have no concrete leads at this point. search teams are double and triple checking abandoned homes near the clinton correctional facility saying they're not working off fresh information today. just retracing their steps. after surrounding a home today near the town of dannemora there's an active perimeter set up. there's a heavy police presence. a new police check point operating about 25 minutes north of the prison. that's near a high school and an elementary school. unclear, though why they chose that particular location. as for the escaped convicts they are presumed dangerous and here's why. david sweat shot a sheriff's deputy 22 times. richard matt kidnapped a former boss beat him and tossed him in the trunk of a car and drove around looking for a place to kill him and bury him and broke that man's neck dismembered his body an then dumping the remains into a river.

matt's accomplice who testified against him and served for that crime told nbc news that he now fears the convict that he helped put away might be out for revenge and spoke to us on the phone with the identity hidden and voice distorted for his safety. >> there's no telling of what kind of revenge he may want to exact on people and in his mind. this is a very psychotic individual. and it's somebody that definitely has no regard for human life. >> it's that disregard for human life and that history of really extreme violence that has law enforcement officials preparing for the worst. the new york sheriff deputy whose deputy murdered by david suite 13 years ago saying, if they get any type of guns it could be one hell of a shootout an police warning anyone suspecting anything unusual to call police not take matters into their own hands. nbc's john yang is outside the

clinton correctional facility. john, please tell us the latest. >> reporter: right now ari, as you said this search is widening rather than narrowing. the search going down in 45 miles south of here southeast of here in willsboro, new york where there was a reported sighting of two suspicious men dashing into the woods yesterday. that triggered that big manhunt in that area yesterday that came up empty. as you mentioned to the north on the way to canada, new roadblocks checking cars on that going up there. here, they have circled back to ground zero. they started at the prison and moved the way out. as they say, that search is going on now. they had a house surrounded. nothing came of that. earlier helicopters in the area. nothing so far has become of that. but this area in dannemora people felt secure and felt they moved on gotten out of the

area. but now, indications that their getaway car never materialized has people on edge and they say they're probably going to be on edge as long as they're still at large. >> john yang thank you for staying on the stir. >> this right here is bad. these are bad news. and i think they really -- they shouldn't have had the freedom they did have. i hope they find them soon because it's you know we have never locked our doors before and, you know never had to worry but these men are bad news. lock the door and like everybody else locked and loaded. because they're not going to worry about whether the door is locked or not. they'll come in. we have told them a lot of places where we know there's camps that are way up in the woods to go check out some of them are full of food full of clothes. >> reporter: as i say, they're here in dannemor going back over ground they covered making sure they didn't miss anything. behind me unfortunately,

blocked by a tent over there. they are searching, they have just put two canine units in two buildings that they searched just two nights ago so they're going back over that area seeing that they missed anything as they still continue the hunt for these two killers on the run. ari? >> john thank you for your reporting. here with us now is mike erp, a u.s. marshal service and wrote the book about the job called "u.s. marshals inside america's most storied law enforcement agency." we wanted to talk to you because this is a big part of what the marshals do and according to the numbers do quite well. in 2012 capturing about 122,000 fugitives, about 3,000 of them give or take convicted or suspected murderers either way. total. so tell us a little bit about how you approach this with people clearly so dangerous. >> well, we do a lot of the

escape investigations throughout the country and we've been doing them for a lot of years and this one in particular you have an elaborate republican that was well executed obviously. they had support. to execute their escape plan. right now, it looks like plan "b" of their plan didn't materialize. and the thought right now is that they're on the run. on foot. they have not obtained a vehicle as we know yet. now, the new york state police command post looking at every auto theft in the area. every carjacking. all of this. and so you start back at the crime scene. we take it like a homicide investigation. start the crime scene. a suspect. in this case you have two. you build everything up from that point on and you expand the crime scene or your perimeter as you get new information. right now, they're back doing house to house search in the media area to recover ground

that maybe they didn't look at previously. >> mike as time goes by between when these guys escaped and where we are today, does it become increasingly difficult to be able to find them? do you have to expand that perimeter? >> yes. and you taking into consideration there are 400, 500 leads coming in. at the time they're coming from all over the country. they're being farmed out to task force that is are running them down. there are surveillances on family members, on associates. all of that. they're building up a background information on all of them. as it goes on you're expecting that there's going to be a carjacking, going to be a home invasion. these people have to have material support. they have to have clothing shelter, food. they're going to try to find weapons. and that's where law enforcement is trying to get ahead of them. and do this difficult task of running them down and search them. our belief is that there are not

survivorless survivorless. they're in a sur vooifrlvival mode. that's what they're trying to search for is cabins with food. >> let's talk about other ways to find them. joyce mitchell of course is the prison worker who some have alleged may have helped them. she could be a key part of all of this but at the same time she may have no idea where they actually are at this point. so, how would you go about using her to your best advantage? >> well, you would debrief her completely to the point of polygraphing if you needed to. and you try to dig up as much information as possible. i would be very surprised if suite and matt shared information with her of what their intentions were going to be once they got out. she could tell you did they use my cell phone. did they make contact. what all did they say? smallest amount of intelligence to support them in this case and those are the leads that they're

going to try to follow up on. >> mike nbc has an exclusive interview with her son where he talks about the fact that she often has panic attacks. she had one after all this happened and not unusual for her and saying she would never intentionally try to hurt someone. her's a part of the interview that caused a lot of people to sort of scratch their heads. take a listen to this. >> people might say, well no matter what i wouldn't do that. well, when you're put in the situation, where a family member or family members might be you know threatened or at risk, you do a lot of things that you wouldn't think to to just protect your family. in my family family always comes first. >> you'll do anything to protect your family. mike, what was your reaction to that interview an specifically that moment of it? >> yeah. it did surprise me when i saw it. you know, he talks about threat on a family member. i'm not sure what those threats were. did they -- inmates catch them? matt and sweat catch them worked

them and catch them in a compromising position? i don't know. i that did surprise me. >> so mike, in a case like this getting 400, 500 tips per day, how do you determine which are the best to follow through on? >> well you have to do them all and what you want is immediate area reporting of sightings, things like that. you have to get out there and really quick to protect the public. and those -- you work your way out. like dropping a rock in a pond. you just focus further out as time goes on so right now they're back, you know in the immediate area and searching that. but you still running down every lead, all over the country. >> yeah. as we await to hear from governor cuomo on this they're setting up there and looking for more public help and involvement, as well. thank you so much. now that news conference with governor cuomo expected to begin in just a couple minutes. live coverage here on "the cycle" as soon as it happens. also developing today, the

white house making it official. additional u.s. troops headed to the fight against isis. we'll explain. and is obamacare about to be dealt a bitter pill? a board making a grim diagnosis about an upcoming supreme court ruling. plus beneath the hollywood sign history was made this afternoon. we'll explain all of it. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. put your hand over your heart. is it beating? good! then my nutrition heart health mix is for you. it's a wholesome blend of peanuts, pecans and other delicious nuts specially mixed for people with hearts. planters. nutrition starts with nut. you are looking at two airplane fuel gauges. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look.

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what's old is new again in iraq. except this time around we're fighting isis. nbc news confirmed as many as 450 u.s. troops could be deployed by this summer to help

train the iraqi. potential effect of that plan has many people scratching their heads on two fronts. first, will it be enough? second isn't this what we already spent years doing to see the' iraqi cities fall? learning of plans for a new military base in the anbar province where isis took control of the key capital city of ramadi a few weeks okay. president hinted of this strategy shift this week. let's get fresh reaction from the national security group, congressman peter welch. always good to see you. >> thank you. >> so one thing that's clear about if role in the middle east is there is no perfect answer but what's your reaction to this shift in strategy? is this what we need to be doing right now? >> i think it's an acknowledgment we have made a major shift in strategy. is our strategy containment or conquest? our expeditionary force in iraq and afghanistan about us having our boots on the ground winning

the were and then nation building. those failed. a containment strategy has us in a support role where the bottom line has to be their boots on their ground. not our boots on their ground. so this is a limited way in which the president is from posing to assist people if they're willing to help themselves. but there is another issue here. there's a slip ri slope. apprehension that's legitimate and really why it's important for congress to do the job and debate and authorization for use of military force so we can have a discussion about containment versus conquest. >> congressman, the president said that we don't have a complete strategy to combat isis. now, you have been a politician for a long time. you understand the care with which politicians choose every word. why would the president say that? for what possible benefit would he say that? >> i think what we call it in politics is a mistake because you don't want to say that because i think the president in

fact does have a strategy. i think the strategy is containment. you know, there's an enormous amount of pressure in congress to have a much more aggressive military engagement in the middle east. senator mccain would advocate for that. we've tried it and failed and the president acknowledges and understands is that at the end of the day, isis whether it's the taliban, it's got to be the people in syria, the people in iraq who are taking on the responsibility and the effort to rid the country of those terrorists. we can play a supporting role and that's a containment strategy that takes time and patience. containment worked with the soviet union. that was decades long. required patience and persistence and ultimately successful. >> so does containment mean if it's a strategy for containment, this is not a strategy to win to ultimately beat isis? >> it's a way to -- i think it's a way to win. a couple of things. number one, we have to really

protect the homeland security and there's an enormous amount of attention to making certain to prevent any of the foreign fighters coming back into europe or united states. secondly containment means we really do everything that we can to help our allies in the region that are really suffering under the burden of the refugee crisis like turkey, jordan, lebanon. third, we provide some a assistance those taking on the primary military responsibility as long as it's their boots on their ground. so i think all of these things have to be done together and interconnected and when i say containment, what i mean is there are forces in that region between the sunni and the shia that are decades if not centuries old and an illusion for the united states or anyone else to think we can send in our military and solve their own century's old problems. we have to make sure our nation is safe and requires active engagement and partnership with the countries in the region.

>> congressman peter welch, thank you for your time. we'll turn to another political story on the domestic front this afternoon. a supreme court decision on obamacare whether to end health care subsidies for over 6 million americans. challenges to the law argue the court interpret it to deny the subsidies to people in state that is didn't set up state-level insurance markets. even some republicans who voted against it say that of course congress meant to fund subsidies for the whole country and not to discrimination against people based on ji og edd edd edd geography. >> it seems to cynical to punish millions with higher cost of care. and unravel when's now been woven into the fabric of america. and that kind of cynicism flies

in the face of our history. our history is generations striving to be better and do better than the last. >> some people think the president is tipping the hand. wall street speculating they might be looking to a negative ruling. josh barrow from "the new york times." hey, buddy. >> hey. putting the slogan on "wall street journal" now? >> hey, don't say we. he did that. >> i like the ensemble. >> i appreciate that. >> that's not what we're here to talk about. it's the supreme court ruling, right? "the wall street journal" has a theory. other theories here of why the court took this place and legally is thin and politically could be devastating. >> didn't the court take the case with a split. a court ruled one way and another that ruled another way on the issue? >> but they took it early. they could have played out further. they decided to get in there and make their statement.

>> so i thought the editorial is very strange and not just speculating about the supreme court going to do and speculating about what the supreme court is going to do based on the president's mood assuming that the president is speak lating -- >> not something special. >> -- upset about the impending ruling. nonsense. none of the people including the president know how the court is going the rule here. might see the decision next week or the following week but i don't know what the supreme court is going to do. my guess if i were a betting a man, probably not going to strike down the law because if they cause that political firestorm they would have done it first time with the opportunity to do it but who knows? i think the president would be defending the law if he knew if the court was going to strike it or no idea what the court will do. >> a lot of people saying he acts like he thinks it will be struck down. the next question is what happens? does that mean we're done with obamacare? how does it survive? >> what happens if this specific part -- if the subsidies for

purchase of insurance through the exchanges in state that is did not set up a state ek change, if they're struck down you have chaos in the individual insurance markets in those states. you could have congress pass a fix to the problem. democrats say you need a sentence amendment to the law specifying that the subsidies to all 50 states. individual states can fix their situations either by establishing a state exchange or passing a law that basically says this exchange that runs by the federal government, we are deeming it to be our exchange. so the way you don't get fix is if republicans say basically we don't want the law to be fixed except an exchange for xyz and see that resistance at the federal or state level and may well see it in some places. the question will be when's the price for republicans to fix the law? now, i think you could get a deal around some relatively minor changes to obamacare that democrats agree to. repeal the medical device tax. repeal the mandate on employers to provide insurance.

>> wouldn't they try to sink the whole law? >> i think that's the question, right? republicans want a huge price and if they make the demand, pass a law out of the senate and house and on to the president's desk and the republicans agree what the non-obamacare future is and republicans unable to do for five years. they have talked about how much they hate obamacare but not the solution and a few bills floating around congress from republicans about what to do if king v. burrwell goes in their direction. republicans don't agree about what the way out. do we want to extend subsidies for certain people under what formulas? it might be difficult for republicans even to get enough agreement monk themselves for the price of fixing this and might allow for compromise to fix it. if the decision goes that way. we should waiten' what the supreme court does and quite possible the supreme court will uphold the subsidies and no fix. >> this is more informative than a "wall street journal"

editorial. >> usually. that's the bar i aim for. >> josh, we always love having you at the table. thank you so much for being with us. >> good to be here. >> we are waiting on the press conference of governor cuomo on that manhunt prison break in upstate new york. we'll bring you it as soon as it comes. first, developing news out of the vatican this afternoon and the pope met with russian president vladimir putin behind closed doors for nearly an hour talking about the situation in the middle east and ukraine. he urged the russian leader to adhere to a great effort of peace in ukraine. according to the vatican, they agreed on the need to create a dialogue and implement the minsk agreement. bels. when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is number one. when we say there's no corn, wheat or soy it's not there. learn more at purinabeyond.com

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welcome back to "the cycle" where we are awaiting right now press conference from governor andrew cuomo to update us on the

manhunt for those two escaped convicts and bringing it to you as soon as it happens. but also developing right now, in "the cycling" los angeles the biggest city in the country to hike the minimum wage to $15, nearly double the federal minimum wage and a latest example as we just mentioned the largest example yet of local governments acting on an issue that washington has so far failed to. a step in the right direction for millions of people simply treading water in this post-recession economy. but if public opinion is any indication, it is just that. one step forward. new survey out today finds that nearly 4 out of 5 americans believe that it is easier to fall out of the middle class than it is to rise up into it. that's a very sobering statistic. but our next guest says to get the american mojo back and wrote an entire book about how exactly we could go about doing that. >> oh. >> peter kiernan believes the

american dream isn't only found on wall street. i want to start with the minimum wage and interested to hear your thoughts on how parent of a step forward that is and a plan of ten steps to revitalize the middle class w. this congress we can't get all of them done. which is most central to restoring the middle class? >> sure. as far as the minimum wage it is a great idea that the other parts of the country taken the lead but there are about 145 million people who are working in the united states and of those about 3 million, a little over 3 million, are paid at or below the minimum wage. so it's a good step in the right direction. but it's just a shard and a mosaic and a bigger plan to do. good to do. good start. necessary. but nowhere near sufficient. >> right. >> i just want to pull up the poll that you mentioned. the 79%. because we do the job numbers every month on this show. >> yes. >> as we talk about it it's

better and better but the mood of the country is not that. you look at the poll. 79% of americans throughout all ages and political affiliations believe it more common for people to fall out of the middle class than to rise up to it. it's a sobering statistic right there. what is the step forward in what do you think is most important? infrastructure at the top? jobs that don't pay enough and underpaid for people well trained to do things? >> i think the second one is probably the most important thing which is we are creating jobs but the jobs report that comes out leaves out the most important ingredient. the market value of that job. because it would be like the new york stock exchange saying we traded a billion sharyls today but didn't tell you if the market went up or down. we have a lot of entry-level minimum wage jobs. they're not put plier jobs. right now today 4 million wonderful jobs open in the united states. we can't fill them. they're skill-based jobs. they're in bio technology. computer science.

in digital work. and what we have is a skills gap. but if we can fill those jobs those jobs don't need to be created. think need to be filled. and i think that's really the opportunity we have right now. yes? >> you talk about it in the book the way forward is about dealing with the growing consumer class or middle class outside of our borders. you talk about in 20 years 80% of the world's purchasing power will exist outside of the u.s. 95% of the world's consumers outside of the u.s. how do we go about capturing those consumers and bringing the wealth back the these shores? >> i try to cater to the folks, the truth is what we have got and manufacture, they want. what we create in terms of services, they want. i'll give you a small example. in -- if you take japan out, in asia the proportion of the gdp of those countryies spent on health care about 4%. we are at four to five times that.

that if i could predict anything with certainty it would be that the rise in middle class in china is going to want, in india, is going to want world class health care. we're the gold standard. should be exporting that to these countries. >> i don't know if you heard about this but some people are skeptical of bankers. >> yeah. i have heard that. >> talked about. but one of your arguments is it depends on the kind of banking and you're advocating an infrastructure bank with different kinds of public/private bankers. what do you mean by that? >> here's what i mean. the one thing of which is very little debate in washington is infrastructure is creeking. and whether it's 3 trillion we need to do or 2 trillion we have a major bed to make. when we malign china for spending too much on the infrastructure talking to the people there who are your age ceos and stuff saying we're just taking a page from your play book. >> you have to laugh at it from afar. >> why are you letting the infrastructure creek?

you have the greatest systems and letting them fall apart. i think that we should do is acknowledge and commit to a goal of a trillion dollar expenditure on our infrastructure. i think that's going to create jobs, not just the middle class jobs but the great ones. >> this is like a non-wall street bank but focused on that. >> not on wall street. frankly, go just like we did in world war ii with war bonds, go to the american people and that would be the 1% and all the way down now's the time. now's the time to invest in this country. if you believe in who we are and where we need to be, we need a trillion dollars for infrastructure. we'll pay you a len and take a great big bond with you and i think you could get a lot of people engaged in the restructuring and the building of the united states. >> great idea. when's exciting about some of the ideas in here is they're not left or right. they're really truly nonpartisan or bipartisan ideas that in theory could get a lot of support on both sides of the aisle. peter, the book is "american mojo," thank you for your time

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whenever something truly outrageous happens in the world of politics the first thing i think is wow, that was truly outrageous and then i think i wonder what they'll do with that on "saturday night live" and that's what the folks in studio 8h want. >> something goes down like what are they going to do on "snl." >> you sit around and go what's true about this story that no one's saying? >> that's cool. i'm going to be president. that's wicked. >> create a permanent stereotype? you're darn right it does. >> it's got to be all about job creation. >> bindid. >> bingo. that's all from a great doc of "live from new york" with access to stars and archives and tells

the story of the show from the beginning when it grew popular almost instantly. >> by the fifth show, they couldn't walk down the street and it was a matter of days before the show had penetrated the national consciousness. >> the impact was tremendous. just overnight. it was like the hottest show in the country. >> the director of live from new york is bow nguyen and won at vietnam's equivalent to the oscars. congratulations on that. >> thank you so much for having me. >> it's a fantastic film. let's talk about "snl" and politics because "snl" is historically not just portray politics but shape politics in a way. you point out poppy bush never actually said not going to do it. ford tripped once. but then chevy chase made it a recuring part of the caricature. there's ways that "snl" shaped

the political landscape taking things further. talk about that. that's important to those folks up there. >> i think the writers don't necessarily think about how they're going to shape an election or a political campaign. i think they want to be funny each week and they're kind of finding the lighter side of you know political debate of a snafu by a politician of a political character. and that's how they go into each week. so they're quite humble talking to them interviewing different writers. i found that they're just comedy quiters and want to be funny. i think outside the scope of the show it becomes bigger just like tina fey is sarah palin or daryl hammond and will ferrell as george w. bush. >> and talk about nonpartisan. they want to be funny. and of course the heart of the show is loren michaels who you

talked to, talk about. the show is ultimately about his sense of humor and his sense of openness. talk about who's this guy and how did he guide us into this four-decade phenomenon. >> you know we got a chance to talk with loren in the film and i found out just seeing how he works, he's quite hands off. you'd think that someone when's been, you know created the show 40 years ago and working on the show pretty much since then is pretty hands on. but i found that he's quite trusting of his creative team and he kind of lets the quiters do what they need to do to be funny and not so much his perspective or point of view at all but really just trying to find the funniest aspect of any event in any politician. >> interesting. you know bao, for years "snl" criticized for the lack of diversity for race and gender and done a much better job on that front in recent years and some of the best cast members

women and people of color. is that a value that they affirmatively seek out now and try to make sure they have a diverse cast every season? >> you know i think because of some of the media reaction and media criticism about the lack of diversity on the show they have had to react to that. but again, they're just -- they kind of view themselves in the lens of a comedy show. as you know now it's a comedic institution but they're just again, finding the funniest people and they're not really thinking about diversity as a whole until they meet those people and then they get some of the criticisms. you know, last -- a couple of years ago when they hired two female african-american cast members, it was a big deal because, you know, at the time they didn't have any. and now those two cast members are some of the strongest on the show. so in the end, i think they're just trying to be funny. and that's really what it comes down to with "snl" and just

because it's america's show in a way and such an institution that people look at it and have ownership over it more than any other show i think. >> they own it. they've turned it around at times and made fun of themselves not having enough black members on the show and truly amazing if you think about it. now in 40 years and transcending generations. my husband and wait every week. is it on this week? it really can make your night on saturdays. and they've been through a lot. they've been through good times, been through a lot of awkward times and also been through some emotional, difficult times. one of those being 9/11. and it was their i think -- september 29th and the first premier of that year and they found a way to talk about 9/11 in a way that made you cry but also made you laugh. let's take a look at a bit of that. >> "saturday night live" is one of the great new york city institutions and that's why it's important for you to do your show tonight. >> can we be funny?

>> why start now? >> bao, if there's a show to find the balance, it would be "snl". >> i was a freshman at nyu during september 11th and i remember thinking about how shows like "snl "letterman "s "the daily show" and how they react and quite refreshing the show how to not necessarily make light of things but move on and comedy has a strong role in that. >> best of luck with it. maybe i'll find out what it's like to have a hands off boss. all right. the documentary hits theaters next friday. up next a group of stars so impressive the oakland raiders are fans of them. and stick with us through that. for the rant about the dream land that some republican governors live in. >> going to love it.

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fainting or dizziness, very rapid heartbeat problems breathing or swallowing, severe rash or itching. tell your doctor if you get a lump all right. breaking. let's go to governor cuomo talking about that manhunt. >> i'd lick to start by reassure reassuring the community we're doing all we can to assure their i have a safety in the search and investigation. we're all in on this search. we won't stop until we have these convicts captured. to date we have received more than 500 leads and we're thoroughly investigating each and every one. that means looking behind every tree, under every rock and inside every structure until we find these men. today the public will have noticed an increased police presence both in the village of dannemora and willsboro. we continue to go door to door checking homes and seasonal residences and we continue to do

vehicle checks on a number of roadblocks in the area. we have more than 450 law enforcement members working on this search. in addition to the new york state police we have the new york state department of corrections and community supervision. the new york state department of environmental conservation. forest rangers, fbi, u.s. marshals, u.s. customs and border protection all working together as one team. the new york state police and the vermont state police are working hand in hand to secure our state's borders. one of the things that we developed during our investigation was information that there was a possibility of them fleeing towards vermont. it was mentioned early on. we have reached out and been hand in hand with the vermont state police and today we're formalizing our arrangement, our agreement to redeploy troopers beyond the state line should it be required for searches.

and again, that's if leads take us there. in addition we've conducted interviews with inmates, correction officers contract employees and anyone else working here at clinton correctional. i won't get into specifics on how these interviews went or who was or wasn't interviewed. but we continue to ask the public for their assistance in our investigation. looking for any suspicious activity that they might see in their communities. anything that they see out of the ordinary and we urge them to contact law enforcement. we ask the public to remain vigilant. these men are considered extremely dangerous. please call 911 immediately if you should see these inmates. if you own a seasonal camp and you notice anything out of place when you arrive please don't his tatd. call the police. we want to remind the public again do not try to approach these men. they're extremely dangerous. if you have any information on these inmates, or their escape or if you can help us in any way, call our tip line.

1-800-give-tip. i'd also like to remind the public that new york state is offering $100,000 reward for information that leads to the capture of both of these men. i just want to thank the public for their patience. we have received hundreds of tips. not only through our tip line but social media. we have actually had millions of people contacting us. so please i just ask stay aware. report any information. any sightings. at this time it is my pleasure to introduce the colonel of the vermont state police colonel tom lesburns. >> appreciate it. i'm tommy lesburns and want to thank the new york state police governor's office in vermont and new york to follow up with information. we have troopers working along the lake the marine division activated for the lakeshore with troopers in remote sections of

vermont. checking camps. kampb sites. passing out leaflets along those camp sites. the public campgrounds, state and private. i want to thank the vermont media in particular keeping us aware in vermont of what's developing here in new york. at this point, the governor. >> thank you, colonel. >> thank you superintendent and colonel and also glad to be here with my commissioner of public safety. commissioner flynn. most importantly to be here with governor cuomo of new york in new york. governor cuomo and i are committed to doing everything that we can to keeping the folks in vermont and new york safe as we hunt down these two inmates that are clearly dangerous people. governor cuomo called me this morning and informed me that although we don't know where they are or where they have gone that there are some indication that one of their destinations, the destination

they might have indicated was the state of vermont. so, we have taken a number of actions together to insure that our law enforcement community has no obstacles to apprehending our law enforcement community has no obstacles to apprehending these two criminals. i have directed my state police to do the following five things: one, we have set vermont state police liaison to the command post in new york so we're working seamlessly to move information. two, the state police technical team is ready to respond all available tips from the public and as governor cuomo will tell you, we need all the tips from the public that might be out there. we need the public to help solve this change. we'll also be ensuring that our entire vermont state police team is ready for action should they be needed.

three, public awareness. we're going to be doing public awareness campaigns to inform members of the public who might be connected to internet might not be watching television who these folks are, what they look like. we'll be doing that in our state parks. we'll do that in remote campgrounds and areas we think they may be heading. four we have deployed our vice president state police marine assets on lake champlain. fifth, our troops are going to be doing direct patrols along the lake orders. finally, the vermont crime information center is in direct contact with our new york state intelligence center for all kinds of information sharing

that we hope will be helpful. i want to say to vermonters this is no time to panic. it is a time to be sensible. if you see suspicious people don't go near them. call law enforcement. lock your doors. make sure that you're being vigilant, and let's work together to get these two dangerous men locked up once again. i want to turn it over to governor cuomo. i don't think there's a governor who is more concerned about finding these two folks than governor cuomo. he cares deeply about the welfare and safety of the people of new york. we're in this as a team. i'm grateful to him for reaching out to me to work so cooperatively. i give you the great governor of the state of new york, governor cuomo. >> thank you. thank you very much. let me begin by thanking all the law enforcement that has been working very long and hard. it's been a long few days. the state police of new york

have done a great job, the local police clinton county, franklin county our federal partners the fbi has been extraordinarily helpful, and the coordination among all these different law enforcement agencies has really been something to behold. governor, i can't thank you enough for his responsiveness and the vermont state police we have information that would suggest that vermont was discussed as a possible location, and the governor was very generous in saying that he would be fully cooperative. the governor has been a good neighbor to the state of new york. we do a lot together. a lot of times it is good news and positive news and this time, unfortunately it is a less attractive undertaking, but no doubt a very necessary undertaking. we need to find these escapees.

they are dangerous men. they are killers. they are murders. there's no reason to believe they wouldn't do it again. they're going to be more desperate than ever. so we're doing everything we can. it is a top priority to find them and to bring them back. if they are heading toward vermont, as you heard from the governor, vermont is engaged and vermont is mobilized, and we're working hand and glove and we'll be coordinating several times a day to make sure that every lead we have every piece of information to share from the point of view of public safety these people are dangerous. they're dangerous to new york residents and dangerous to the residents of the state of vermont. this kind of coordination and partnership makes total sense. we're also in contact with our other surrounding states but again, as we had information that would suggest vermont is a possible destination.

we're making a special effort. the only way to pursue this type of investigation is to follow every lead that you have and follow every lead as if this is the one that is going to break the case. so whether it's traveling to hillsborough or doing house-to-house searches in dannemora or coordinating with vermont, if the tip turns out to be true. you follow each and every one with all the energy that you can muster. that's what we're doing. at the same time we have employees from the prison that are being interviewed. that is a very consistent exercise that we're going through. the media has reported on one woman in particular who is a subject who is being interviewed. that's correct, but we're also

working through everything we've been discussing the past few days. other employees, contractors, all of that is ongoing. so to the extent there are lessons to be learned here, fine. we want to learn the lessons. we're going down both tracks simultaneously. first track, find the escapees find them before they do any harm, get them behind bars. that's where they belong. second how did this happen? are there any lessons to learn? any systems to change to make sure it doesn't happen again. let me end where i began. i want to thank the governor for being a good neighbor. i want to thank the people of vermont for their home. i want to urge the people of vermont to take this seriously, and as you heard report any suspicious behavior. these are not people to be trifled with. this is not just another prison

clinton correctional. this is one of the prisons in the state of new york that holds the most difficult inmates. trust me these men are nothing to be trifled with. again, i thank the governor, i thank his state police, his commission of public safety. any questions of myself the governor, or the state police, please feel free. >> it says we have to continue to follow every lead and work very hard to find the men. as we discussed initially, it is very possible that they have a several hour head start on us. we found out they were gone in the early morning hours approximately 5:30. they could have been -- escaped as early as midnight or 11:00. so they had a several hour head start to begin with. we've had an exhaustive effort

as you know it's not for lack of trying but we're going to redouble our efforts and we're going to keep looking until we find them. >> reporter: are you worried they may never be found? >> i'm confident we will find them. the only question is when. [ inaudible question ] >> reporter: did they have plans to go to a cabin in vermont? >> i'm going to be careful what i confirm. it is an ongoing investigation. we have information that suggests they thought new york was going to be hot. vermont would be cooler in terms of law enforcement, and a camp in vermont might be a better place to be than new york. [ inaudible question ] we do not. [ inaudible question ]

i was contacted immediately after the break with e-mails and new york state police. immediately we deployed troopers to the garage isle. we had a tactical team deployed in the islands in case there was sighting in that area. we've been working hand and hand with new york state police and sharing all the relevant information that speaks toward vermont. we have a trooper deployed here now to their command center as well. >> reporter: i'm wondering about the hillsborough you were searching that area yesterday. do you have tips still or working that area still? >> we're still searching in that area. the tip we were following up was a sighting on two individuals who could have fit the description. not confirmed they were our es keepees. we deployed and a thorough search which continues. no confirmation they were our escapees.

[ inaudible question ] >> during the course of the investigation we developed information that had been discussed by the men -- prior to their escape. the possibility of going to vermont and finding a location in vermont. i'm not prepared to go into where. >> reporter: did you eliminate of the convicts had a relationship that was inappropriate with the civilian or with the corrections officer at the prison? >> i think the governor confirmed that. we have spoken to the female that the media reported on. as she was befriended or befriended the inmates and may have had a role in assisting. i'm not prepared to go into details. >> it was true she was supposed to pick them up? >> i'm not prepared to go into those details.